‘I have 2 Masters' degrees, Orengo has none’: Murkomen clashes with Orengo
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I didn't know that murkomen has two masters degrees, I thought that Orengo had a PhD in law!! This just goes to show that paper qualifications are not necessarily as productive!!! It is a shame that Murkomen had to expose this about himself. His paper qualifications prove to be of less worth, than orengo bachelor degrees!!! He should ask PLO!!!
you should know their is a gap of 30 years in their age
@@jengerp seems like experience beats education. Thanks for clarifying.
Proud luo
@@cheruiyotchumba7303 that must be kipchumba Onyango Murkomen. that is why he has to tell people that he has two master's degree. Good for him. we need more people with such high degrees.
Unasema Nini. What is it that orenga has delivered
Orengo is a moving Constitution. Murkomen is a dreaming Law practioner. SIMPLE
Useless
Let me save you the stress. It begins from 16:55
Thanks bwaana am watching it from Somalia🇸🇴🇰🇪✌
Not all heroes wear capes...thanks
Thanks jo!
Thanks for saving time 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
We need pple like you my friend,,,you make work easier,,,
Education does not sabstitute intelligence... Though it can enhance.. But never substitute intelligence..... Murkomen is a clear example
Academic you know better Markomen. But you are forgetting experience has NO. Substitute.
Orengo as experience, hiyo experience yake I think huwa inawalisha
Murkomen should understand that Orengo was a busy Student Leader back then at UON. He wasn’t a bookworm
Education is not scoring A's or being a First Class person... Masters... Convince us that u are wise in your arguments... don't be boastful about papers..
James Orengo I like your argument you argue without makasiriko
One can have even 20 degrees but lack experience and wisdom. Murkomen is proving to be one. A village champion.
But he is there,& where are you🤔?..A village Champ?What's the difference with a Lakeside fisherman?
Not everyone from Nyanza is a fisherman, some from Ugenya,Alego,Gem etc have never been to the lake either.Lake Victoria isn't everywhere in the Nyanza region
@@blacksheep4159 goes without saying the level of the guys intelligence
Orengo has been through a lot , he is surely strong💪🏿💪🏿
He continues to go through it.. sorry
Experience is the best teacher and Orengo has it...gudos my incoming governor
Never try to argue when you are angry ....
Very true..
Perhaps the reason he is said to be a flop in legal practice
True, coz you look very foolish when you do so
Murkomen cant compare to Orengo even in his next life.
Wisdom is what matters my friend
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This truth was too hurtful to the senators who thinks Orengo is a god in legal matters.... Someone rightfully challenged his papers...😀😀😀Katambe
Senators who think,not thinks eish ..
Papers,papers!!!
With 2 masters and still he can't comprehend a very simple question
Surely
Masters mbili bila hekma.Huyu kijana kichwa maji,Bure kabisa.Tuta chunguza mastakabadhi yake tujuwe ukweli wa mambo.
Degrees are meaningless without wisdom from above
Just mere paper that are so called academic certificates, education has to be more than those papers rather it has to reflects, with all those degrees in kenya yet things are almost the same to a normal kenyan at kibera and turkana or kilifi
Wisdom is the key here
So are you insinuating that Orengo is the wiser man here?
@@iannowwe correct
You will not perform and get degree without wisdom
When people compare what they have, ati I have 2 and you have one, it really bugs me. You see, a smart person makes the best of everything they have. Orengo may have a bachelors only. But look at what’s he’s been able to do in his entire life. He has shaped the constitution, he has annulled a presidential election, he has been the brains behind Raila’s entire career, he has done a lot. I don’t think that Orengo is comparable to anyone in politics.
you must be dump to say orengo curated baba's political career
What James Orengo can do with one Bachelors of Laws degree will still be more visible than what Murkomen can do with 10 Masters.
But at this time Murkomen was 43 years while Orengo was 70 years. So he has time to make his manuscript...
Degrees siku hizi Ni prsa,no one should brag about that. Wisdom and knowledge work miracles when they work together.
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Orengo has more experience and I believe experience is much better than papers, if a told you want a lawyer who will win your case me think Orengo is the best bet
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Murkomen got emotional 😂😂😂😂😂he shouldn't debate again
Remember orengo told you sometime back, that governments and revolutions eat their own now dance to its tune
that means nothing
@@msejuma1105 It means something. 3 children have already been swallowed up.
@@msejuma1105 I think you know nothing about the government Orengo is doing his work which he told the Jubilee supporters earlier two years ago and now Fedinarnd Waititu,Susan Kihika and Kipchumba Murkomen who is talking here childish are the ones who were supporting the government of jubilee.
Miguna ndo amesoma,,two first class degrees,law and political science both in abroad,distinction in masters abroad,,juris doctor
What is *"abroad?"*
Unfortunately Miguna has a personality problem. I cannot even ask him to represent me in a court of law.
@@busolopeter7215 It is called *"delusion of grandeur!"*
Cattle Dip lawyer talking too much just to please the boss.......Anyway am just waiting the Day Sinior lawyer Mutula Kilonzo will stand for Presidency I will vote him 1000% he is one of the brightest lawyers a live today .
2 masters and upper class division but kwa ground mambo ni different with zero case represented in supreme Court and not even a member of any constitutional committee
One has 2 Masters, the other has none.
Si amgawie mwenziwe angalau kamoja.
Orengo beat Murkomen hands down in this debate......give us a break!
He he he he,you are being a brother’s keeper and considerate through sounds hilarious
Enyewe uchoyo mbaya unafanya nini na masters mbili mpatie moja pia yeye ajichoche Huyu jamaa murkomen aliruka bet live live sasa amepata dawa yake orengo
awache hasira
Hasira hasara tuliza balli kijana
Here you are dealing with the master of coup uliza weta who is orengo
weta awezi karibia orengo even he was not in the house
you cannot argue with him Don,t even try orengo ni kasuku wa kilo mingi
Kamotho wa odm
alideal na akina marehemu moi man solo ogopa
just ignore orengo please
2 masters and he never uttered a word in the case he was bragging about. We should thank covid_19. It has brought the true reality about our Universities education whereby we close them during this pandemic instead of opening for research centers
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Murkomen is more learned but Orengo is more educated.
I believe in really life.
The other way round
Who are you Mr.Orengo to silence the 2 Master Degrees you dont have😜😜😜😜he wasn't Talking to you Kiherehere yako imefanya whole Nation ijue hauna any🤣🤣🤣🤣Am Grateful niko 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
What happened to the us embassy on matters of only vetting people of sound mind to cross to their country.
I don't see anything wrong from both sides it's true Murkomen has never argued and won a case in the Supreme Court and its also true that Orengo is less educated than Murkomen both are facts why should anybody feel offended
Fact that one person can have many papers which make him/her an educated fool or maybe literate. The other one has one paper and intelligent. I'd rather go for one paper and intelligence than many papers that mean nothing
Murkomen am a class eight finisher with two cat papers and I have taught seven of my kids good manners, rich people don’t go around telling people they are rich you just suspect them with your two degrees hanging around Oscar Sudi , baba yao and sonko see what you have become
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😂😂😂😂I'm on the floor laughing! It's a pity his 2 Masters depleted his wisdom!
Wisdom detected......
Daniel Amakobe 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
M here after the supreme court where Orengo who doesnt have masters degree represented a case in court while murkomen with two masters degree was watching at home😂😂
how did that turn out..lol
2 masters degrees. So what! We have more than that and we are silent
lol ati more than that and you are silent...boss dont type nonesense nexttime.
Why are u silent?
Jiskize tena😆... Hujui kitu wewe
@@nickyke8058 ni ukweli, sijui. Lakini nitajua tu kama wewe siku moja
@יהושע יהושעAre you telling us you are also troll in your mother's manyatta house
Naked we come into this world... Naked we leave this world....we have NOTHING to take us with
I love how Orengo argues
OMG Mr Orengo is super sharp man
Murkomen giving Orengo a taste of his own goose...
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He showed how stupid he was you cant argue with someone then you say l used to be number 1 who are you as number 10 to lecture me?
Hehe more like Murkomenos stupidity
You have 2 degrees and madness inside your head and Orengo is brighter than you in politics
Says a keyboard worrior
😂😂😂true
Hahaha
@@nicklemar5054 it's a fact...education is what you recall from what you learnt Orengo recalls more!! He is brighter!!
Murkomen always sounds angered in his speechs ...and we expect them to lead the nation come 2022... zii.
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It's 2024 now and Murkomen is leading the nation
Maji hata yakikarangwa hayawezi kuwa matamu kushinda nyama
Yes Orengo tell that junior murkomen, let him sight any case he has led
U r another one. They don't sight. They cite.
Obonyoi John Gabriel Orengo ni takata atavuna alichopanda
Ukweri kbs
@@agnesereng6044 Orengo amepanda nini? This is a Jubilee motion to remove a Deputy Speaker that they had sponsored!
I pitty murkomen... He's so argumentative to the point that he looks more black than before.. One time politician trying to match the country's walking constitution!!!!... Ruto's brigades have been shown what government really is... Orengo don't waste ur time cleaning the swine dirtiness is her happiness
Ko
Masters degree or not, Orengo is super intelligent. Iam not sure I can say that of Murkomen. And by the way any person who has some education can get two masters degree. Nothing to boast about really.
Passing exams is not equal to brilliance. Achievements, track record, ideas etc are the best measurement of a person's ability. In Kenya you can buy any certificate but you can not buy track record
Wewe mjaluo there is no better way you can protect your less educated representative than trying to lie that two master degrees are equal to form six leaving certificate
@@nyashndosh4792 The truth hurts. If you needed legal representation you find the lawyer that will win not the one that has the most papers
Hi hi babe I
@@nyashndosh4792 we uko na nini 😂😂😂
Enda nunua hata wewe
I shall forever Love Sen. James Orego
This boy is becoming tiring, I mean he is becoming exe exasperating, I mean childish. No, I mean immature, boring, too much
I miss this kind of debates
Leave long orengo
Ur cry ad baba after being rigged 2013,2017
God has heard ur cry
Keep on praising him ad serving him
He is faithful to his servant
Amen
But never,never follow him like a cow pz
@@cicilianjeri5229well said loved one of lord God
Gnight
Blessed
When mutula re-asked orengo's question, Murkomen died🤣
😂😂i saw it too
Even thermometer has 100 degrees but still work under armpit,,, so he should not tell us ,,,empty debes makes louder noise...
Richard Branson said,hire wiser people than you to work for you....my two cent worth of opinion
Mutula Kilonzo Jr.....his voice is so calming.
Ushamwaga😅
I see you filled with imagination lol
Mr Orengo is the Constitution.. Walking Constitution
Damn! Orengo is sharp!
@@betinansi201 I said SHARP, I didn't say high development record. The role of the legislature is as follows:
1. Legislation (it is called the Legislature)
2. Representation
3. Oversight
"Development" is not a role for the Legislature. Go through the Constitution and if you come across development as being one of the roles for the legislature, then kindly let me know under which clause it falls. The three arms of govt, namely the Executive, the Judiciary and the Legislature all have very different roles and are facilitated differently. Development falls under the Executive. Why do you want to judge a doctor by how well he performs at plumbing work! Why judge a bishop by how accurately he fires a gun? Are you going to judge a lawyer by how well he plays football? No. Kila mtu na lane yake. Damn! Orengo is SHAAAAAAAAARP!
@@betinansi201 MPs don't develop their areas. The funds that go into developing those areas are in the Executive's budget. Even a small budget as the old CDF which had overlooked the principle of separation of powers, had to be re-aligned into NG-CDF to move it away from the Legislature! In the earlier days both budgeting and expenditure was fully in the hands of the Executive. "Development" was a tool used by the Executive to silence some MP's and raise the profile of others. It is those representatives who questioned the Executive repeatedly who raised the conscience of the nation to rise to the level of reforming and realigning the power structure and gaining of civil liberties. Some of those representatives paid the price with their lives. Others, with detention without trial. Some, jail terms on trumped up charges. Others, like Orengo and other radical leaders had their areas starved of state funds to paint them as "non-development conscious leaders". That was twisted logic by the Executive. The role of "Development" lies squarely with the Executive. To transfer it to the Legislature is to create a constitutional quagmire. How can the Legislature be responsible for "development" and also be required by the same constitution to play an oversight role over the same development?? A body cannot oversight itself! The Legislature's role does not, and cannot logically include "development".
@Beautiful Relaxation Music In the debate, when Murkomen was "yombayombaring" Orengo stated with finality that the debate was a motion, neither a trial nor a tribunal and it was final. When Murkomen was "floating" without anchoring his points on constitutionalism, he asked him with precision to state which part of the constitution he was anchoring his points and Murkomen was tongue tied. When Murkomen tried to hide behind administrative justice clause, he countered with clarity that the clause did not apply and Murkomen shut his beak. Need I go on?Damn! Orengo is SHAAAAAAAARP!
@Beautiful Relaxation Music During which elections? My eyes are wide open!
Hapa mmechokoza nyuki, wacheni odhis atusomeshe 🤣😂
Orengo said government eats his own people , now it's the high time (prophet Orengo)🤣🤣🤣💥
And they might visit his office to represent them
@@danwildlife9491 point of correction ,(not they might) but they will visit.
I have 3 and you have 2 Senator Orengo has practiced so long that degrees are bags of wind to him.
2 masters degrees na eneo yako mashule hayana madawati
Experience is better than masters degrees owned or acguired and with little education you are good
Degrees are also pieces of paper. Njenga Karume had none.
And he created employment for several degree holders. Murkomen is a disgrace, not only to Jubilee, but to humanity as whole.
my brother, umenena.
That's right my brother
Experience is the better teacher... Orengo you did u part. Two master's degree don't make u senior to orengo
I have come to like Sen Kipchumba Murkomen a lot.
Like him for what...there is nothing he says here worth liking chief
Funny though
The difference between knowledge and wisdom....Murkomen 2 masters and still can't think?? I think he requires like 10 🤣😅🙈
Even your ruling is a kangaroo one , remember majority wins in such a manor but the minority has the strong point ,"government & revolution eats its own people" so dance the tune.
@@mcmanu6621 Murkomen being schooled properly by the senior council....
@@DrSting-vp3hd murkomen fought like a man.
@@mcmanu6621 very true...
Very true 😂😂😂👍
What will Murkomen tell Babu Owino about masters ...
Hehehe, he has also done poor law which he cannot practice; if I was him , I cannot even speak of my stupid 2degrees, waaah which law did he do, if he cannot even understand simple English?
an old woman has caught feelings here,
Two degrees with nothing to show,
Junior council..... that was a sharp reference to murkomen by Orengo
It’s a kangaroo court... I love it!
If two Master's and an upper- second class honours degrees are lectured by a lower second class honours, then it implies that whereas the holder of the former is educated, he lacks the learning competence to perform effectively in the career. This is a serious academic gap and he should go back to school. Ironically, with rich endowment of competence and exemplary performance exhibited by holder of lower second class honours, he needs to be honoured.
Degrees without wisdom is like a bird with inability to fly and flapping its wing with alot of noise and effort. Murkomen makes alot of directionless of effort.
you're judging basing on your kingpin
He is stating a fact of life!!
Murkomen is good in articulating issues than Orengo
Bitterness will take you nowhere
Mr. Murkomen should know that most of his age meets scored A plains, Scored First classes and are now professors. He should be reminded that Mr. Orengo scores second class upper division when maybe the highest qualification in his community was maybe a certificate. This guy should know that pride is at its best when you are about to fall. Respect your elders. many people have better qualification and they do not brag around
Good
Most of them highjacked exam papers before its date
After listening to Murkomen and Orengo, I understand both men are trying hard to make their points clear to the house. Orengo is not insulating Murkomen, but was trying to tell him that this similar issue relating to removal of deputy speaker. So there is no need to tell the house there should be written notes or letter to the deputy speaker about his removal but his issue is supposed to be discussed in the house with the number of members forming a quorum. Whether Murkomen has 2 degrees and is talking fluently does not give him an edge over Orengo. Orengo is telling him he is a junior lawyer because clearly he is not senior to him with his 2 degrees in the practice of law.
Approach and response by Mutula Kilonzo is the best ever.
Yes you have two fake master enda kwa babu owino ukaona masters ziko vip hujui atakujieleze yet unatuambia uko na two masters
Babu zake amesoma
Fake???? Were you the one issuing those fake certificates????🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@kipkemboimark3986 at you back
@@kipkemboimark3986 from the way is arguing
Murkomen fight in the senate battle with the likes of Orengo na watu wa marakwet wachana Na Raisi wetu Uhuru Kenyatta aunganishe nchi zima iwe kitu kimoja.
Speaker Marende we miss you
To be fair Orengo started with the insults questioning Murkomens qualifications and experience as a lawyer. Murkomen came up with a rejoinder.
Baba English kwako Ngumu .under standard
@@moha9043 samahani kiingereza ni lugha yangu ya tatu bado najifunza. Hopefully I'll get better with time.
@Alex Murogo What a peaceful answer! Good for you!
@@moha9043 There is nothing like under standard English, it is either standard or non standard.
I love murkomen very sober guy and he don't care
Sasa mbona ii vida ilikuwa 17 minutes.. si wangeweka zile part zinamatter inabaki ka five minutes.. this is the same way we koroga ourselves in Africa and get nowhere😂😂😂😂
What a genius response from Murkomen 💪💪💪
we should follow how the constitution says , we are not here to favour anybody , this is for future
Degree and he has never won a case in court
Having two degrees degrees is not anything to us. We also have but we don't tell everyone.
Unless u r uninterested. U have to personally tell us how many degrees u have. Don't expect Murkomen to tell us on ur behalf.
Murkomen with degrees but never won anything in court of appeal. Certificate in his offices but nothing practically. Bure kabisa
The nullification that orengo claims to have helped NASA to win against uhuru was stage managed. It wasn't raw deal but cooked many years before
You haven't enrolled into a university to get a Master's degree, I know you don't know what it's worth 😄
Winning a case in these kenya court won't count anything for me, there have been so many cases of corruption but no one knows how they end up
I love this guy......he has the brains
Murkomen only needed to prove which act he is referring to!!!
And he couldn't because there is none. The fellow had to be taught by Wambua, Orengo and Kilonzo on the floor of the house how to read and interpret the constitution! Ati 2 masters degrees! And he can't read and comprehend the constitution! What a shame!
Orengo is a powerful lawyer but i respect Murkomen's bravery
Am here in support of murkomen he is a good debater , its unethical to diminish someone academic
Useless
Murkomen is right and Orengo knows that, the problem is Orengo is aware politics are at play and it's for their advantage ODM or NASA
He is right about what?
@@kaykay5605 watch their debate before gushing at me.
When you've been the cock of the walk for the last 7 years it hurts when you've been outmaneuvered. The man's voice cracked a few times and I feel for him
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Senator mutula kilonzo junior very relaxed and points explained clearly. Safi senator
Murkomen caught by the balls and completely lost it
Hizi fake certificates zitatumaliza.Nilifikiri Kipchumba ni mutu ya Diploma. Masters haionekani
Man I miss this senate. These were some great debates!
Two masters degrees in insults and pride! Your degrees are not helping you. I have 3 but I don't brag about them. None knows me in Kenya if not the low class. Shape up bro!
Wisdom of high quality
Was Orengo "questioning" Murkomen's education or his (Murkomen's) experience?
That was the point.
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Listen to mutula junior,wisdom not noise🤔
Murkomen is avery angry and childish. His arguments are baseless and lacked credibility.
If you have papers but no wisdom utaogelea tu
All this we degrees and you guys can’t transform Kenya to a working class economy and give 85 percent of your citizens jobs
Speaker is biased.. Letting orengo say what he wants and not letting Murkomen hit back
2 master's but no wisdom
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Hahaha
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From this I can say.. Masters or degrees are just papers to show you was there but you didn't get the knowledge 😃😃😃😃.. Childish argument. Huyu jamaa Ana hasira.. Very low minded man. Kubweka tu