Apartment Graffiti is Tough to Remove | Engels Coach Shop
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- Ink markers, crayons, grease pencils, are challenging to remove. I have lots of that on an apartment refrigerator that I want to see which cleans the best. If you have a proven solution to this problem, I would like to hear it. Thanks!
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Question: how do you know if you are a fan of Dave?
Answer: you watch 10 minutes of Dave cleaning an old refrigerator.
I have never seen anybody so enthusiastic demolishing his own building.
I've worked sheet metal for 44 years and am living proof, an old dog can learn a new trick. I was bending up a complex copper roof and marking the pieces with a Sharpie. On one piece, I marked on the wrong side. I started cursing myself. I couldn't install a panel with a big #5 showing. My helper laughed and said, "You have the antedote in your hand." It was true. I just wetted the mark up with new ink and before it could dry, I wipped it right off.
I have also found that white vinegar removes sharpie ink pretty well. I just never have any white vinegar in my shop.
@@DontCryAboutIt same!
Try mens spray on aftershave. The alcohol should remove the marker
@@tonydewey3023 Or just denatured alcohol. That works on a lot stuff.
@@tonydewey3023 My sis is a chemist. I think she told me, 90% of compounds dissolve in water. 90% of the 10% that's left will dissolve in alcohol. And 90% of that last 1% will dissolve in acetone. Then you get into the really nasty stuff.
For several years, I have liked to watch you build projects but now, my arms are falling to see you break everything!
I had to laugh, thinking about all of us mesmerised by Mr Engel cleaning a fridge.🤣 Cheers from Australia.
I thought the refrigerator was scrap, surprised at the way the cleaners worked. Great series.
I've been watching you work on the farm, in the Wheelwright's shop, and here in the hotel / apartment building. I'm older than you, but not by a whole lot, and I can't for the life of me figure out where in the heck you get all that energy. Good for you.
Regarding the refrigerator markings, use denatured alcohol.
Ten years ago, I had that kind of energy. I'm ten years older than Dave. A lot can happen in ten years.
Para limpeza das marcas de tinta no geladeira experimente amônia (NH³). Cuidado para não aspirar muito.
@@dorightal4965eu espero que nos dez anos tenha acontecido também muita coisa boa, salutes from Brazil.
@dorightal4965 I hope that in the ten years you've also enjoyed a lot of good things, salutes from Brazil
Are you the doctor ?
@@dorightal4965 Please don't say that 😮
When I used to clean up rentals for my grandparents I used 91% or 99% isopropyl alcohol to clean up stickers and markers. Some stuff will come off with WD40
I’m impressed that those cleaners worked. When you started I thought there’d be no way.
Our building in NW Iowa was built July 1900 and the second floor was sleeping rooms with one central bathroom. When I opened the interior walls I found evidence that these rooms were heated with wall hung coal stoves. Not every room had access to a chimney (there were three chimney's in total. So between walls there were bricks laid up in the stud cavity with circular holes that I suspect were flues to let each room vent a coal stove to one of the three chimneys. I suspect your structure may have had that same sort of heating plan. Our building did get a hot water radiator system in 1913 and the flues were removed at that time. But three chimneys remained, one in the front apartment for a cook stove, one in the back apartment for the same type stove and one was used for the water boiler that was located on the first floor.
Thank you. Dave will look for evidence of those.
I love the video it just shows what unattended children will do when a parent just doesn't care because they are renting. I hope you kept their cleaning deposit and it was worth all of your work. Now, if you could just take off tattoos that easily. People don't realize how they will look when they get old. Thank you for sharing.
La's Totally Awesome Cleaner.
I used this stuff to remove duct tape adhesive that I thought I would have to sand off, sprayed it on, let it soak , and wiped it off with a paper towel.
I learned working in cabinet shop that Acetone will take markers off right now and breaks the bond of contact cement fast
Acetone should work, but do a test spot on the back where the side wraps around. Acetone might dull the finish.
you are quite the maestro with a pry bar
EnglesCoachShop meets Project Farm, at 0.5 speed.
Great series on the Hotel.
A lot of old wood heaters would have the flue go up inside the house to capture as much of the heat as possible, before going into the chimney near the ceiling.
The prayer of people like me: "Lord, give me patience please. And hurry!"
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Beckoning to Diana from Brazil. Eu gosto muito da musicalidade na fala de Dave, parece muito com o modo de falar (accent) das pessoas de minha região.
@@ermelindowenceslauqueiroz8894 That's interesting.
A trick I learned in Japan: Someone had goofed up & used permanent marker on a whiteboard. One of the young engineers took an erasable marker and drew - scrubbed - over the permanent marker lines. Took a couple of minutes and he had it all cleaned up
You beat me to this. We have used this method as well to remove Sharpie from our white boards.
The solvent in a marker is alcohol-based, so something like isopropyl alcohol works.
When I was younger I got a job installing a large mirror on a wall in a bar. When I was done I wanted to clean it. The magic marker that listed the customers info on the mirror wouldn't come off. The bartender gave me a bar rag with vodka on it. That did the trick. Then I quit wasting the vodka and began using it properly, mixed with ice and grapefruit. I never needed anticoagulants back in the old days!
Dave you are without doubt the best teacher I have ever had the privilege of learning from . Your work ethic is uncommon these days , greatly to be admired . Thank you for all you do to promote craftmanship and true work ethic . I would love to have a chance to hang out with you in your shop . An admirer of you do ,. James Easter
Something vital I learned while working with chemicals, always this order: time, temperature, agitation, concentration. If you work from left to right you increase from left to right to the desired result. Works from industrial cleaning to simple home laundry.
Very nice. Keep up the great,work! Hope your safe with this new snowstorm coming.
Awesome spray cleaner from Dollar Tree. A remarkable product-
For the fridge I'd recommend Goof-Off, but you might have to wait until you can open up the windows.:)
I always keep some in my toolbox.
By golly they did better than I thought they were going to do
Dave you are certainly not at a loss for work. Whether in the shop or the hotel. Can't wait to see how you will remodel the hotel. Stay safe.
I've used TSP It's a great cleaner.
I also like Mr. Clean Magic Erasers
Good job.
Sometimes rubbing alcohol is good for taking marker off.
Crayon on a true slate blackboard. It's been there since my dad got the blackboard from a school demolition back in the 1950s. The blackboard (and the crayon marks) are mine now.
The worst one was an oil stain on a white marble hearthstone. Eventually, my dad completely removed the hearthstone and built a little dam on the reverse side. He filled the dam with a pool of solvent and wicked away the solvent where it seeped through to the top (which was now temporarily on the bottom). It took weeks, but eventually all the oil was removed and the hearthstone replaced.
Hi Dave. Isopropyl alcohol works wonders with permanent markers. Another nice trick with isopropyl alcohol is loosening hot glue. I've used hot glue to temporary hold for example wood in place when working on it (for example in a routing or planing jig) and it's holds very well. 1 little squirt of isopropyl on it and it pops right off! Leaving no residu whatsoever.
I came down here to say the exact same thing. The chances are that it would be cheaper too.
Ditto. most of these markers use alcohol based inks - re wetting with alcohol will let you lift em right off.
Isopropyl alcohol also removes tree sap from your car like nobody's business but you do need to dilute it so it doesn't remove paint. Not a problem if you have PP film or a ceramic coating, though.
Isopropyl alcohol is one of the best " removers", but acetone might also be effective. (Keep both in the shop for specific cleanings.) Have to be rather careful with acetone, though. That can get really nasty if not careful. And, as already stated, being impatient is not really a way to get it taken care of properly.
A "Light Cut" car polish works a treat in removing markers and other gunk and, as a bonus, it shines up the powder coat or paint finish on appliances.
Why would a tenant think it was ok to write on someone's refrigerator??? Where is society headed?
Well when an ex-president thinks he's above the law, your guess is as good as mine.
@@kelleysimonds5945 how about the current President, who took money from China? Has full blown dementia. Won’t answer any questions from us We the People? O that’s right he a liberal democrat. Gets a pass.
It's the same with graffiti on railcars and buildings.
@@kelleysimonds5945 you’re right, Clinton and Ears O’Bama should be worried.
You have no idea what renters are capable of.
Years ago I walked into a unit to find the entire building gutted to the studs. All interior walls, flooring, plumbing were gone. The building was an empty shell. They even took the main load bearing wall.
Good video , endless jobs in the hotel Dave . 👍🇬🇧
Lord, give me patience, but I WANT IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!
bon courage Engel's
Reminds me of the story of a immigrant from eastern Europe who moved to the US, had some similar problem. She stopped at a hardware store and asked for help. The guy behind the counter sold her some cleaners, then said "Probably the best thing is good old fashioned elbow grease". She asked "Where can I get this elbow grease". 🤣.
Thanks Dave
A paciência é uma virtude. Parabéns.
When I worked at a bar we used white toothpaste to remove ink of of counters
Tapeoff has always worked for sticky stuff for me. Good luck on the rest of the marker marks
I'm surprised you didn't get Diane in to show you how it's done properly 😊
Once again thanks for the video.
For years I've used Ronsonol lighter fluid to remove residue from stubborn adhesive labels and tings like road tar on car bodies. Works well on markers too and the best part is I've never had it damage a surface that it's been applied to. I believe the secret ingredient is Naphtha so I suppose you could try just that but as the labels always say "test in an inconspicuous spot first".
I'm a Zippo™ man myself. I quit smoking over a decade ago, but I still keep cans of Zippo fluid in several strategic locations. Naphtha is a general term for a fairly broad group of hydrocarbons. All lighter fluids are naphthas as well as certain paint thinners (VM&P naphtha). I believe that Zippo fluid is a slightly heavier hydrocarbon than Ronsonol™ as the Zippo wicks are configured much differently than the Ronson "automatic" (they open and strike with the same motion) lighters. However, they should both work similarly as goo removers.
Basically any hydrocarbon liquid, or one with the long hydrocarbon "tail" deals with the stickers nicely. The problem is, most of them smell awfully and smell long afterwards -- e.g. car gasoline or kerosene or the usual white spirit. I personally use "car paint degreaser" -- this stuff is actually ultra-light petrol. If I cannot get it, I go for the lightest white spirit I can get. Here in Ireland I have found "low odor white spirit", on the label it says "C8-C11 hydrocarbons" -- and it really has almost no odor and lefts no oily high-molecular residue. I even use it remove the sticker glue from books and magazines, it leaves no oily spots.
Other good option is the dehydrated isopropyl alcohol, but it is less radical in dissolving the sticker or scotch tape glue and the oil/lube stains. However it is good at removing food stains or general dirt or the felt tip pen drawings as it is polar solvent, so it can pick up what is water/alcohol solvable (hydrocarbons fail to do so).
However the permanent markers are sometime xylene-based, so to deal with this kind of stain you sometimes need to use really nasty stuff like aromatic hydrocarbons -- benzene, toluene, etc. They tend to eat up the plastics and are horrendously unhealthy to breath in. I tend to stay away from them.
Lighter fluid will take most things off of painted surfaces without damage. Use care with some types of plastics. For them I use paint thinner (mineral spirits).
@@VasiliyTolstoy yep, I use bbq lighter fluid a lot for removing adhesive residue, as it seems to have the least offensive fumes, (that whole ‘triple filtered’ thing for cooking lighter fluid I guess)
Hey there. Watch your head Dave!
IIRC, Trisodium Phosphate was the active ingredient in the old "Spic-n-Span" cleanser. Good stuff for sure.
a different kind of video. Thanks Dave
As a custodian, I typically gradually go up in volatility starting with goo gone, then magic erasers, then isopropyl, paint thinner, acetone.
Ah, renovation victories!
On markers use denatured alcohol. That's what the factory that makes them uses
Dave, charcoal lighter fluid is a great solvent for grease pens, crayons, and other oily markers. Cover Sharpie and other permanent markers with shellac and paint over it. The shellac will prevent the marks from bleeding through the new paint. it will not bleed through. The solvent in latex and acrylic paint dissolves the marks and they bleed through. Do not use isopropyl alcohol because it will remove latex and acrylic paint, even when it is years old. Isopropyl alcohol does remove Sharpie and similar, but clearly also removing the paint is not ideal.
I think the top chimney holes were for the original heating...most likely something like a pot-belly stove...which would need a longer pipe leading out.
Those holes would then be covered...in this case cemented in...and natural gas heaters closer to the floor would only need a low chimney.
BTW: I use 91% isopropyl alcohol to remove permanent marker...it works very well.
I use the Mykal De-Solve-It in my workshop as a heavy degreaser (the stuff I buy in the UK comes in a 5 litre container and you mix it 50:50 with water for general use or use it straight for heavy duty cleaning.) It works OK on the majority of jobs but sometimes I have to reach for the Xylene and blended distillates mix but then Ic have to put the respirator on. The Citrous stuff is way safer and more pleasant to use.
To get rid of markers I use isopropyl alcoho 90+l. Really tough stuff I use krud kutter and a magic eraser together that gets inside of the Nooks and crannies with something really strong.
I'm impressed by the cleaners. I had low expectations, so impressing me was not much of a challenge. Seems like you are correct in that patience is key. I wonder with the vertical surfaces if soaking a rag and then plastic wrapping the rag onto the worst spots overnight would be a thought. Several others have suggested different products, but I'm trying to work with the two from the video. Anyhow, thanks for posting, great as always
The fridge could be laid on its back and let gravity work with the product instead of against it. I've done similar with papertowels and plastic wrap using grain alcohol that works pretty well.
Methylated spirit would get that off the fridge….it’s amazingly easy as well👋🏼👋🏼🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I have this Contact cleaner spray can that I bought for cleaning potentiometers. Turns out it's doing real great at removing permanent marker's ink from surfaces. Immediately after spraying that stuff, the ink start smudging and you can wipe it off right away. Other similar products might work as well too. It says on the label on my can that it contains ethanol, isopropanol and hexane. Thought I'd let you know.
Likely because the contact cleaner is alcohol based. I was an electronic tech a lifetime ago and we would clean up soldering flux and other gunk using small pump bottles of alcohol. We would take a small stiff brush to pump alcohol into the cap which had a depression that would hold a little alcohol then a flip cap that would keep it from evaporating.
For sticky residue from stickers and tape, I like Goo-Gone. Not the stuff in a spray bottle but in a small plastic bottle that you squeeze. Has a black top on it. It will even take duct-tape residue off. Agree with others about the Isopropyl Alcohol. The best paint stripper I've ever found is methylene chloride. That's if you can find it. The stuff that says it's methylene chloride free is useless.
For getting grease off the best I've found is Purple Cleaner by Zep. It's Lye based so use gloves. The concentrate is strong and you need to wear a mask to keep from breathing in the vapors. But it really works. Even works to take off latex paint while not attacking enamel.
Ole Reckem Ralph lol. your making head way.
If you get permanent Marker on White Boards rub it with a White board Marker it softens it (must be the solvent in it) and wipe off immediately it should work on that fridge with it being a smooth surface
I agree. Came to post the same.
I am here Dave!!
Usually some wd-40, goof-off, autobody solvent, or alcohol with a Mr. Clean magic eraser does the trick. Depending into what the marking substance is soluble, I have to adjust my approach. For crunchy stove debris, typically some general purpose cleaner, and a brass brush. The brass is soft enough not to damage the enamel, but harsh enough to remove the gunk.
In the factory people used to write on metal cabinets with markers and I found that the industrial hand cleaner Orange with a little grit in it worked well with very little elbow grease to remove graffiti on painted metal surfaces.
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Looks like the stuff you got is working but just a suggestion for the future....I use denatured alcohol for cleaning markers and sticker off of notebook computers. Wipe it on and wait a half hour and usually everything wipes off. Follow it with isopropyl alcohol to get rid of the bit of greasiness the denatured alcohol leaves behind.
As a former owner of rental ,I must say I am not surprised. Stuff n damage an absolute disgusting stuff some folks did to the property still send shivers.. good luck sir . Luv watching it 🎉🎉
Doing a great job on that hotel Dave, I sure hope that you can get it all finished up this year.
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Magic Eraser sponge
There's a product called "Goof-Off" that is pretty darn good at removing magic-marker ink, stickers, and many other things too. Typically sold in small cans with a flip-out nozzle.
Based on your work in the Coach Shop I think you will wind up with a 5 Star hotel.🙂🙂
Working with chemicals, I always try to remember to use nitride gloves...
I realized tonight that I'm half as talented as you. I'm good at the deconstruction part of the restoration. The rest I'll leave up to you.
De-Solv-It is a good product for cleaning up sticky surfaces. We usually keep a spray bottle in our workshop tool room, for on site clean up. It is our final solution for cleaning up nonmetallic surfaces in kitchens OR for removing sticker adhesive where paint solvent would be a bad idea.
Methylated spirits (denatured alcohol in the U.S.A.) is generally a better choice for initial cleaning of spirit marker and Biro marks.
Dave, I would have just jumped to a rattle can of gloss white! You have way more patience than me!
Jeff--HA HA!! BEEN THERE!!
Isopropyl alcohol (*91%), Brake Cleaner, and Lacquer Thinner are my top three go-to's for ink/marker stains like that. ^Probably^ won't affect the fridge's finish, but as always, your mileage may vary
11:45 If you have some dry erase markers, scribble them over the permanent markers and then wipe quickly. Both dry erase and permanent markers use the same sort of solvent.
If that doesn't work, then I'd try acetone, lacquer thinner, mineral spirits, WD-40, etc. Or if none of those work you could just clean it really well, spray some primer over it then some appliance spray paint.
To clean all the grills and burner parts on the stove top, put them all inside the oven and then put the oven on clean. All of the stains will be burned into ash. You can put the aluminum burner parts in also, the oven will max out at 600 degrees F when cleaning and the melting point of aluminum is 900 F. Alcohol is used as a solvent for marker ink inside the markers, so you should stick with that. You can try lacquer thinner or MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone), but alcohol is probably your best bet. The refrigerator surface is well dried enamel paint, so should stand up to most solvents - even MEK, which is a solvent for enamel paints.
I wonder if you might consider taking the chimneys back to bare stone/ brick? Might look nice & rustic for your restoration, depending on how well they were made.
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Mr clean magic eraser works every time
Try writing over it with a dry erase marker and erase right away. It can remove sharpie on whiteboards.
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(We're gonna have to start calling you The Hulk!)
I'd try some brush cleaner on that artwork. It won't hurt baked enamel on appliances, but I don't know about your 'eggshell' finish on that one. Any case, it's great for restoring abused or forgotten paintbrushes at the shop. If brush cleaner doesn't do it, acetone might. Actually any solvent in your paint room is worth a try on old baked enamel. Chances are with blue, red, or black marker there is going to be just a little ghosting that might never come out. Just enough to be annoying.
I fight with permanent markers on everything from fridges to dry erase boards all the time. I found a quick & easy way to take it off. Just get a fat dry erase marker and mark it up with that. takes it right off. Then wipe it down with a a little WD-40 and rubbing alcohol. cleans it right up quick. I keep leaving my can of elbow grease under the sink so I gotta get inventive :)
Those kitchen cabinets are the same brand and style as my parent's house which was built by Boise Cascade and transported by truck and trailer to its foundation in Soda Springs Idaho in 1965 or 1966... They bought it brand-new and I remember watching it be set on the foundation. That would give a good estimate of the time frame of the remodel.
Thank you.
when my kid drew on our fridge with permanent marker, I drew over it with a Dry Erase marker.. it was fairly easy to remove
Mr Clean Magic Eraser works well on markers.
Goof-Off works for most things but you do need to leave it for a while to penetrate and soften up everything before wiping.
Lacquer thinner works great for me, that is IF it doesn't damage the paint finish.
Best cleaner I've found for removing permanent marker is the cheapest aerosol hair spray you can find. The cheaper the better. Spray it until it's wet, let it soak a minute or so and wipe it off. If you are impatient, you can rub it in with your finger instead of just waiting.
Try naphtha (lighter fluid) and isopropyl alcohol (99%) separately. Lighter fluid is best for stickers and alcohol is best for markers. When using lighter fluid, follow up with alcohol to clean it off.
Various: some require only a little olive oil, followed by soap or detergent. Some acetone. Some alcohol. WD 40 worked once, I forget on what type marker. I've also used such on stickers, label gums or adhesives. Seems lighter fluid and gasoline were in my handyman arsenal as well.
Brake fluid works on markers. Quick and easy.
Did you consider using loam rendering? We restored an ugly 1960ies building made of prefabricated concrete walls and put a 3-4 mm layer of loam onto the inside walls. It was fun to do and the loam improved the indoor climate significantly. The loam gives an ochery warm tone. You can use casein based color to brighten it up without affecting the water permeability.
I don't have any experience, but I've heard that you can remove Permanent markers by using an Erasable marker over the top. Erasable markers have a solvent that will dissolve the Permanent marker and then you can wipe both of them off with a cloth or paper towel.
We use crystal drano to clean stoves. Dissolve some in a bucket of water, sponge it on, wait 10 minutes, wipe it off. Might want to open the windows.
I find Eucalyptus oil is great for removing marker ink and adhesive residue.
A number of years ago, I discovered quite by accident that dry erase (white board ) markers dissolved regular marker ink.
They're both alcohol-based inks, re-wetting lifts the old stuff right off.
I suggest Easy Off oven cleaner for the top of your stove.
Wish I lived close by I would come help you . I love to clean.
Alcohol will often take off Sharpie marker, especially on plastic. WD40 is also often a good option for many things, and often things you wouldn't expect, like chewing gum. I always try it before I give up on a stain. Citrus is usually good for sticky stuff, like duck tape or stickers. Acetone is good for nail polish. It basically comes down to the chemistry of what you are trying to remove.
Dave
the best stuff I have tried for cleaning stuff like you have is a product called TIM its sold as heat sink compound remover ,its very kind to your skin its a citrus base