It’s such a fundamental misunderstanding of their market to assume knitters would trust their content over an ancient wordpress blog by a 68 year old woman. I know what I’d pick.
Exactly! Or a poorly lit, terribly edited barely in focus tutorial video. I’ll take that any day over glossy high production value videos created by people who don’t know anything.
Yes and beginners know this too. We don’t choose the content we seek to learn something from by what the domain is. Most people have more experience navigating online spaces regardless if they buy from Amazon or not.
Clearly grandma isn’t a cryptopilled gigachad capitalist boss then is she? The worst part is I can see these guys unironically endorsing this joke statement. Also no idea if they actually do crypto it just feels like they would.
You forgot to mention that they spent $80,000 on the domain and didn’t lock down ANY of the social media handles. IIRC, the Twitter and Instagram handles were QUICKLY picked up by actual knitters and it was BRILLIANT.
@@emmainthemoment Forgetting some of the details of the chaos of these guys is fully understandable. It always makes me inarticulate when I try to explain it because it’s so frustrating.
i've never seen an online community more protective of their older members than fiber artists. most of us learned the crafts from older women either online or in person and this community couldn't exist without the grandmas and their wordpress blogs and 240p youtube videos
My grandma didn’t knit personally so the Grandmas of YT helped me learn. Thank you Grandmas and all you lovely people who make ACTUAL knitting tutorials. You make the world a brighter place
I just told my husband at dinner, that one I had the all the needle sizes I needed, some basic stitch markers and a thingie that you use to magnetically follow your pattern, I was set for life as far as tools go
My momma knits and she literally just sanded down some chopsticks and bamboo skewers for needles after she lost all the ones she bought and didn't want to buy more 😂
I did buy a neck light so I can chill with my husband in the basement and knit near him while he watches tv or records music. It's poorly lit down there and the neck light was cheaper than a standing lamp 🤣
Technophobic Luddite Grandma here. I am standing on the shoulders of generations of grandmas who were all instrumental in passing on their skills to me. I wanted to come in and say thank you to all the younger generation who are supporting us and keeping the skills alive. It is an absolute pleasure passing my skills on to all who are keen and eager to learn. Thank you for this episode.
I appreciate your thanks, but just know that we are standing on your shoulders and using your knowledge. Have a great day and good luck on your current project. 😊
I absolutely love seeing craft tutorials from grandmas who just want to share their craft knowledge. It's like being invited into this great chain of knowledge and innovation and shared joy of making something.
Litterally 2 seconds you can find tons of people trying to make knitting and crochet their business alot of this channel is businesses fighting over stolen patterns!!!
As a Chinese person (ethnically), the thing that’s funnier about their comments about being married to Chinese women is that it literally reads as fetishization and so it actually makes them come across even worse
I deal with this on a weekly basis at my work! I working in the Paint Department. The amount of Sexism that I've encountered b/c a man can't stand the fact that a Woman actually knows something about the Home Improvement aspects of things.
@@LilDevyl17 this remains one of the funniest things to me, because so much of what is considered feminine is colour coordination. Sewing, knitting, makeup, the list goes on, and so much of it is "what colour goes best with this". Of course the second it becomes "hard labour" or home improvement based, suddenly a man knows more
Yea the thing with the 68 year old grandma rubbed me sooo the wrong way because it’s like “oh so you do acknowledge that there are women who operate in this community but when it comes to someone you believe to be successful like an influencer of course it going to be a man” which I find SO INTERESTING because obviously needlecraft has been around for centuries and historically regarded as “women’s work” and only through peoples love and dedication to the community (people like “grandma”) have we now made progress in destigmatizing needlecraft as a “feminine” pastime since these online resources are open to ANYONE so put some respect on her name like that grandma could beat ur ass and make a dope scarf at the same time if it were me I’d want her on my side
What they said: "Their intended audience is not the experienced knitters [...] but it is instead the beginners who buy their knitting products off of Amazon." What I heard: Our intended audience is naive newcomers we can sell drop-shipped garbage to at higher prices than Amazon.
no seriously it's just SO transparent! they aren't even trying to hide it bc apparently, we aren't smart enough to peek behind the curtains here 🙄🙄🙄 i think they seriously believe that women and elderly people are just THAT stupid and gullible (not to mention, they don't seem to think ANY gen z or millennials have ever capitalized in this space)
Also that Demographic in mind is kinda low, me and my friend both got crafts and got all the suplies of our moms and grandmas. I mean most people nothers and grandmother were thought stuff like that in school even if they didnt gove any shit about it the supplies dont go bad and are proably still on someones basement
I’m not a knitter, but I am a sewist so I understand the pain of two guys coming into the space and going “uhhhh have you tried selling stuff for more money and making it worse???” I am a proud product of quilting grandmas who upload UA-cam videos, who taught me in Joann’s Fabrics sewing classes, and who were my professors in college.
My favorite thing about fiber arts is how accessible it is even with like… zero money. I am getting back into crochet and have invested less than $50 TOTAL and I’ve made two decent size projects :)
@@aformerhiro7383 Oh those two guys are definitely sexist. I’m a guy and this is standard sexist guy behavior: jumping into a historically women’s craft and assuming you know better
Grandmas have been passing these crafts down for generations and generations. My grandma taught me how to crochet, and when i want to learn something new i look for the grandmas online, because - shocker - 50+ years of perfecting a craft can make you a pretty good teacher. For these guys to see it’s grandmas online passing down their wisdom and think “sweet, we can crush them” is absolutely baffling and appalling.
I think these guys are delusional as you say its a craft thats been handed down from generation t generation. They really don't know the history of knitting as it was done by both men and women, in the area miners would do it on their walk to and from the pit.
No worries, these men are incredibly daft and grandmas have far more power in the community than they could ever dream of, all that they'll achieve is an investment failure.
when I first tried to learn to crochet, I bought books. I failed. I went to commercial websites - I didn't understand. It was quick and flashy and looked great but I couldn't learn from it. Came to youtube, found a video of a woman who showed nothing but her hands and up the yarn on and off the hook several times. Did about 20 sc very slowly... explaining explaining....... that's how I learned. These guys can kiss my butt.
@@patheticlobsters7626watch “crochet soft chevron blanket” by CrochetHooksYou. It’s an Australian woman going stitch by stitch with goats in the background. SHE taught me how to crochet!!
@@patheticlobsters7626i dont know if you still whant that information. But i just searched for the stich name plus "tutorial"/"beginner" i wanted to learn. Just click on one that is a short video and has the hands on the thumbnail♥️🥰 Alot of kind an straight to the point woman out there that are extremly helpfull♥️
if they revamped their entire business to be "come make fun of our ineptitude, for we shall put it on display in a series of videos of us attempting to learn this craft from AI-generated descriptions of basic stitches" they'd get views in droves!
@@mewho8057 yeah I was thinking that too like they described the business model of being content first and building brand loyalty through content, and that would be a perfect way to actually do that instead of whatever the heck they're tryna do. You would probably gain the interest and support of experts and beginners alike (though you have to be likeable for that to work lol)
"We didnt think knitters would find our podcast" says everything about how much these guys acrually care about the community they are trying to "revolutionize" They really did zero research into their market audience and then blamed it on the audience
They just flattened the entire community to people who knit, that's all we do, we knit. Who'd have the time to care about business, have a job, or even listen to podcast when we knit all day?? 😂
That's why they were actually admitting out loud that they wished they could use deceptive discount seller SEO practices to sell harder (albeit racistly labeling sharp business practice as 'Chinese'). They assumed only other sales bros who were in on the scam would see it.
They think the fiber arts communities are technophobic yet literally EVERYTHING I know about fiber arts was learned online and I'm 1,000% sure I'm not unique in that. What a dumb thing to think 🤣
Knitting was used during WWII to deliver coded messages. I know several older computer coders (think now in their 70s and 80s) who learnt binary through Knitting. (Think knit/perl combinations) Knitting has an incredibly rich, complex history and it's hardly technophobic.
@@raylouis7013 This. These dudes seem to know as much about knitting as I did as a child in 1980. When I got back into knitting as an adult, maybe around 2005-2010 there was already a ton of resources on the net, and the knitting/code connection quickly became apparent to me. And then with blogs and Ravelry the tech/knitting connection just snowballed over the last 15 years. (It took awhile for this aspect to make it into physical spaces, to the big yarn brands, but that too is more than 10 years old.) These guys are hard to believe, they must have done absolutely no research at all. It's not like it is hard either. Just a week on google, youtube and ravelry would have educated them enough. And since they are business guys, maybe read up just a tiny bit on the industrial side of yarn for knitting (where is it made, how has that changed over the last 30-50 years, what are the technical innovations, which big brands have disappeared, etc?) The history of knitting needles? Magazines? There _is_ a business side to this, and even just looking at the industrial side, is quite interesting.
Knitting was also used to help with the Apollo mission. They knitted through magnet rings to create a physical representation of the programming needed in the computer that would be much more durable against the radiation exposure in space than traditional memory storage.
I was lucky enough to learn the basics from my grandma, then picked it up again as a teen when we had a project week at school and one of the projects was knitting and crochet. I made a whole scarf in that project. But I'm now in my late 20's and picking it up again with the help of technology and different knitting and crochet blogs have been SO helpful.
While all of this is atrocious, tone deaf, and appalling. The fact they can look at their daughter enjoying a craft. And thinking they could use her for business instead of seeing their child's joy is probably the most dispicable for me. Let people enjoy things and don't drag children into your corrupt money making scheme.
After my accident, when my hands hurt too much to hold needles and hooks, it was the women who had been knitting for decades, who were in similar positions of being in pain, who showed me my knitting machine. It's not the same, but I still get to create things that keep people warm, hats and scarves and blankets, and don't have shooting pain through my hands and my arms five minutes in. I would never have been able to find it without those women who suggested it to me. While I don't always like the attitude the knitting community takes towards tools to help disabled knitters, I'm grateful to the section that still sees us as the creators we are. These men are for sure not part of that group.
@@Miss_Kisa94 Really?! That's amazing! I love would to do that one day, when I get better at using it. I'm good at the simple things, since finishing them off is easier on my arms and hands, but maybe one day!
what kind of knitting machine do you use? I've only ever seen the round ones, but when I was talking about it with my mom, she told me her mother had a straight knitting machine that could do rows just like that! It just made me so amazed at technology
I have a friend who goes to the thrift store when they have five dollar fill-a-bag days and buys up knitted or crocheted stuff that would otherwise end up in landfill. She washes it takes it apart and makes some really nice blankets that she gives to the local women shelter. Instead of ending up in the landfill, these sweaters/scarves/, hats, etc. are having a new life and being reused
@@lrizzard she reaped some rewards last week; got about 10 balls of wool yarns last week from the thrift store. It was “fill a bag for $5” day. So a minimum $200 of yarn for $5!
I’m always so jealous when I hear about thrifting because that’s not a hung in my city at all, I yearn (yarn hehe) for something like that and how much help it would be to other people
The fact that these dudes claimed to survey the competition and literally didn't mention Ravelry at all has me thinking they probably ...didn't do any research... at all
I'm pretty sure it's because they saw the merciless evisceration we were giving them in the Ravelry forums... at one point my group had a contest for who could get blocked the fastest from commenting.
Our grandmas are literally the way these art forms have been passed down… put some respect on grandmas who are willing to share with us literal HISTORY
The fact their so quick to shit on grandmas and assume their more approachable than a grandma just makes me think they hate their own or look down on their own
My grandmother crocheted the most beautiful, intricate doilies and lace items but had never learned to read a printed pattern. She could create her own or read the stitches and reproduce from an original. People would bring their crocheted doilies for her to starch and block. I remember seeing items with ruffles that had to be 5 inches tall, heavily starched, attached to a blocking board and drying in the sun. Then, one day she asked me to come and show her how to single crochet, she had forgotten how. Didn't realize until later that was one of the first signs of the dementia to which we eventually lost her. A wonderful, sweet woman, Myrtle Isaacs Britton.
I paused this to SCREAM at the "fishing can't be improved" section. My longest continuous job was in the marine industry, I worked in marine GPS, sounders etc and mostly dealt with fishers and I was present at so many international boat shows. The absolute scream that TORE ITSELF FROM MY THROAT....the marine industry is ALWAYS updating. New materials, new fibres, new ways to get an edge. Yes absolutely it is a competitive market, but the reason they would not do well there is because there are so many people who are already trying to innovate and have been in the industry for decades at least and it would be....costly. it is R&D, it is tech, it is all the kind of stuff that needs continual investment. The reason grandma was good at teaching me how to knit is because....it hasn't really changed. Not because it "cant" or because knitting girlies are just waiting for venture capitalists to save them from the plight of using knitting needles....so much as we went and perfected this shit (not me, I'm blind, but my ancestors can get in on it) thousands of years ago. Of course there will be new materials and dyes and things like that....but those are also being done. I am so confused as to how these guys don't know that.
As for „perfecting this shit“, crochet has the granny stitch, so called for the fact that granny can’t see that well anymore. You’re literally crocheting into holes instead of stitches. Great accessibility feature. I‘m not saying you have to try it, of course, just that there’s something that could work for you, if you ever want to try.
i hate business bros so much. their only passion in life is getting rich by any means and they will bulldoze thru any community to achieve that goal (obviously turning a beloved craft into soulless content isnt the worst thing these types have done, but it just shows they they will do this no matter the scale)
Wild that they didn't go with fishing because the tools are "too basic" to iterate on, and chose knitting instead, the craft that uses crazy complex tools and definitely not just two pointy sticks
I was so surprised by them finding fishing gear to be basic. I BARELY know a thing about fishing but I know there’s a TON of specialized gear out there
I think they just tried to cover up the fact that they don't know anything about the complex technicalities of fishing and didn't wanna put in any effort to learn more about it, while thinking knitting would be an easy way to make money off of
They’ve probably been in more Bass Pro Shops and Dick’s then Michael’s and Joann’s and thought sports look hard let’s try getting $ from crafty house wives again!
The fact that they don't think grandmas with 20 year old blogs AREN'T the absolute best resource someone could find for this is just too funny to me. She's been knitting for far longer and she's been posting for two decades? Not only does she know her shit, but she has PASSION which is essential
You can still use books from 100 years ago to learn knitting. It's not like cooking where if you go back enough they don't sell some products anymore or the recipes are like "cook in a hot oven until done" because it was written for a wood-burning oven. The only problem an old knitting blog would have, aside from stuff possibly not being fashionable anymore, is some of the products might not be sold anymore. But "use 400 yards acrylic yarn in brick red" works just fine no matter what year it is.
I'd like to take this opportunity to shout out my elderly neighbor, Mrs. Keal, who taught me to crochet at age 9, giving me a love of yarn and the confidence to pick up the sticks at age 19, long after she'd passed on. Loved ya, honorary grandma. You meant the world to me.
And niche!! He said ‘chuh-asm’ and ‘nicht’ i’ve never heard anyone pronounce them like that. Maybe some people do, but it almost feels like they’re just out of touch with everything, or like the guy from Glass Onion who everyone thinks is a genius cause he earns a lot of money but he’s actually an idiot who makes up words lmao. Thats how a lot of these rich white guy entrepreneurs seem like honestly
Also, when I'm looking for videos to teach me a new knitting technique I want to learn, my absolute FAVORITE THING is seeing a very grainy video showing a pair of wrinkled old hands. I just KNOW that video is gonna be concise, clear, informative, and gentle. No bells and whistles, no calls to action, no random ad breaks or what the fuck ever. Just Aunt Agnes showing me four different ways to p2tbl whether I'm knitting English or Continental. Sure, her channel hasn't updated since 2014, but I'm keeping that damn video saved forever.
So much this! I have videos saved from the first few years of this place that people would cringe at today, but they are THE BEST at explaining things.
Best video I ever watched was two old ladies from somewhere in northern Europe, teaching how to use DPNs. I didn't understand a word they were saying, but they demonstrated so well at their kitchen table that I didn't need words to understand.
"we'll pay them as fairly as possible" hearing that makes my skin absolutely crawl. No one who isn't completely morally bankrupt would even think a phrase like that let alone say it. ALSO: something is either fair, or it's not! There aren't degrees of fairness! PS, love the vest!
Ahh yes brother to getting paid by "exposure". I have sought out and paid thousands of dollars in my life to learn speciality things from many artist, to me it's an investment. I don't want to corrupt my own paycheck either, making this type of thing more common. It's undercutting. I've had a plethora of impressive granny mentors that have taught me more than I could ever expect from someone looking at art thru capitalism glasses. I believe I'm also becoming one of those grannies now 😅 which to now sound like a granny I think the internet will be their achilles heel, it's so much easier to be your own boss now. These specialties have online communities where it's easier to interact with each other.
I learned to crochet from my retired neighbor across the street, Mrs. Nason. I was 13 and had picked up the basics from a Coats & Clarks pamphlet, but crochet is really something you need to see done. She answered my questions and, after I came home from school, I would go over to her home and we would crochet together. She provided an oasis of calm for me. I am 67 now, but will always remember her with warmth and affection. That's something two male entrepreneurs can't ever sell, the bond of love for creation.
They see knitting as something to be exploited. Their logic mirrors that of developers who contribute to gentrification. “Let’s take this community and shove our way in because no one has made it profitable yet and there’s money to be made!” In reality they just don’t understand how the knitting community works, and that it’s about so much more than making money. It’s about sharing tips, ideas, spreading love for something. The concept of sharing is so baffling to them, they think we are all idiots for not trying to make money off of every little thing.
My favourite thing about knitting is that I can just walk into a tiny store I would have never even noticed if I hadn't been looking for it, tell the very friendly lady there (not saying it couldn't be a man, it just always were ladies where I went) what I wanted to knit, and they immediately knew which yarns would fit my project. No hours of searching online, no fears of being scammed, just picking between two or three yarns that were a little thicker or thinner but all perfect for my project. That's not something any website has ever offered me when it came to creative projects. Especially not one that just wants to sell me lots of stuff and lead me to believe that I need the newest needle or this innovation in yarn or whatever the heck.
This attitude is pervasive in our capitalist society. Every time I pick up a new hobby or get deeper into to an existing one, a lot of people around me are like “you could sell these!!” And Im here just wanting to make a quilt for myself and the people I love. Contrary to popular dogma, everything you do doesn’t have to be monetized or min/maxed to a point where your creative expression becomes a mechanical process.
My mom has the BEST intentions when she says this. But mom ...noooo. I'm disabled. I have carpal tunnel. I crochet when I can for my mental health. If I sold my projects I couldn't take my time and would be stressed about it.
As a graphic designer, no no noooo to the four fonts. And, to quote from Butterick's Practical Typography: "Times New Roman is not a font choice so much as the absence of a font choice, like the blackness of deep space is not a color. To look at Times New Roman is to gaze into the void."
Grandmas are the literal backbone of the knitting community wtf. I was taught to knit by my elderly neighbour who would look after me after school. RIP Maggie, these men have nothing on you!
The very slight semantic difference between "compensated fairly" and "compensated as fairly as possible" is actually pretty significant. Fair compensation for fiber arts is, as we all know, steep. The time, effort, materials, and built up knowledge that go into things like pattern design mean that most work would need to be compensated at $30+ per item, especially if people are creating something like a pattern for sale - if you're expecting to sell their pattern, you're going to have to give them a portion of sales, otherwise it would be more proitable for them to sell it on ravelry or etsy. But if you're compensating "as fairly as possible", then they have plausible deniability to under pay contributer under the front that they "can't afford" to pay them more. It's a suble but important change in language that allows them to profit off of scamming contributors and still pretend they're doing the right thing.
Thank you for pointing this out - I sell crochet doll commissions from time to time, but my works are expensive, and I know they're expensive, and I even apologize to people that they're expensive. I charge $80 for a small Flareon doll... which would be over twice as much if I actually charged minimum wage per hour. Fiber arts take work.
"Grandma who had her blog for the last 20 years" as a bad thing??? I do not knit but i am learning hand embroidery and my god the disrespect to older crafters is absolutely infuriating. You better respect those "grandma blog" crafters because blogs are always absolute gold mines of resources for crafts. If those blogs didn't exist I would still be struggling to learn even the basics. They really did not do any research into knitting at any point of this disaster.
Im sorry I had to pause the video because… “they thought knitters wouldn’t be interested in the entrepreneurial side of things” Like sir, have you _met_ knitters? Have you heard of Etsy? Plenty of knitters are small business owners.
I know right??? I had the same thought!! I think it's safe to say that ANY crafter has at least considered the possibility of selling what they make. Clearly these guys have never been to a craft fair, a farmer's market, or a community pop-up event... Or heard of Etsy 🤦🏻♀️
Right, and this is one of the first things that non-knitters always ask about - "oh do you have an etsy" "are you going to sell stuff" we always always get asked if we are going to monetize knitting!
My husband, who is neither a crafter nor a business bro immediately asked me "but aren't there a million Etsy shops selling patterns and crafting kits?" His whole expertise is living with a woman who crochets every now and then and even he has a better understanding of the market than these two 😂
It's so funny to me that they said they looked at fishing and thought "there's nothing we can improve here" when fishing rods and reels can be super complex and many with so many different techniques and materials. They just didn't want to get called out for being subpar drop shippers and thought they could get away with it by going into the knitting community.
It's incredible that they went ahead and basically admitted that they were tourists in the knitting community and are essentially grifters trying to take advantage of a trending niche.
In defence of Comic Sans: As a teacher, I use Comic Sans because it is a very dyslexic-friendly font. Students with dyslexia tend to have fewer issues with reading whole words when it's presented in CS when compared to other fonts.
I'm working on patterns at the moment and downloaded a font specifically made for Dyslexics because I wanted to make it as accessible as possible. I'm Autistic and am finding it's also helping me as well so now when I start a new pattern I first go in and copy the instructions and change it over before I print it (I find physical patterns easier). My friend (who is a dyslexic ADHDer) checked it out for me as well and said it's been very useful for her and so she now uses it when she types up her uni assignments. She also uses it for her teaching resources when she's on placement (she's about a year away from being a HS Teacher). I'm not on my laptop right now but for memory it's called "Open Dyslexic" if you were keen to give it a go. If you have any difficulties finding it let me know and I can double check it on my laptop and get the details for you 😊 I'm very defensive of Comic Sans as well but figured I'd drop you an alternative that was specifically designed with accessibility in mind. 😊
Calibri also is very dyslexia friendly, which is why it is often the standard in Word, and would've been better suited to their site. That said: yes to no-dunking on Comic Sans, because it's a legitimate font that is underloved.
Thank you! It's so easy to make jokes on Comic Sans these days that people no longer accept it as a valid font, instead equating it with childishness. It's textbook ableism
My eyes rolled at them thinking no straight men know how to knit. I grew up with an elderly uncle who was a straight man who loved knitting. It was something he did to relax and to make hats and scarves for his loved ones.
One of my uncles was in the Navy. He used to knit, said it kept his hands warm and the blood flowing to them when it was cold on night watch. My grandfather taught him how to do it. He did it on night watch during WWII for the same reason.
The witch hunt comment reminds me of a line in Fargo season 5: You know what a witch hunt is, right? Not witches hunting men, but men killing women to keep them in line.
I learned to knit from my uncle when I was 10 (many decades ago). None of the women knew how & I wanted to learn. My uncle said he learned to knit in the Navy in WWII because "that's how you got warm socks." A practical reason for him, but I was more interested in the magic of a stick and a string that ends up turning into an actual object, whether useful or beautiful (or both). More recently, I love knitting for it's meditative, soothing qualities. Thanks, Uncle Lynton, for starting me on this journey.
i think cody ko even said in a recent vid that he knew how to crochet (or at least at one point he did) because he learned from his grandma. which is the double whammy of a straight dude knowing fiber arts and having learned it from what they'd probably consider "some technophobic granny"
So basically they saw an industry dominated by women and decided they could swoop in and mansplain it to us. We will be so grateful for their unreserved clueless BS and then... PROFIT
They’ll always have to buy yarn! I literally saw a guide to unraveling thrift store sweaters for yarn. I’ve considered buying a spinning wheel. The means of yarn production seem like a pretty natural extension of the knitting hobby
These guys are pretty inarticulate. Pronouncing the ch in chasm while talking about unsophisticated content creators is wild yet on brand for these kinds of guys
Haha… so silly of them… but uh, how *do* you pronounce chasm? Asking for a friend… Edit: Ok! I’ve looked it up! Have no fear fellow primarily written vocabulary learners! It is a hard C, like ‘ka-sum’ not ‘ch-a-sum’
When I learned their previous thing was selling coloring books for adults, it suddenly made so much sense. They thought that dropshipping a single specific product would translate 1-to-1 with dropshipping a whole entire hobby. Not that coloring books can't involve artistry or be a hobby, but it's not this whole niche world of tools and techniques in the way knitting is. Like honestly if they had just bought a good domain name and sold a specific knitting-related product, it might've worked fine for their SEO scheme and not gone viral. But the fact that they acted like they could buy and sell us the whole hobby was just insulting. Also I don't get why people like this always sound so proud of themselves... Like bro, your ENTIRE PERSONALITY is making money. How do you not get tired of living with yourself? I'd be so bored.
The adult coloring book trend brought in a lot of "entrepreneurs" who thought they could get rich by dumping a ton low-content books on Amazon. They are still around, now using AI "art" and selling classes about how to produce low content books to the easily duped. (Some have even lost their Amazon accounts because of their unethical business practices.)
I suddenly had a flashback to the Craftster forums, my first foray into the internet world of crafts many many years ago, whose logo was a skull and crossbones with knitting needles for the bones. I wasn't knitting much in those days, I'm really only now discovering the online world of knitting, but I cannot help but think that's another thing they overlooked in their "research." About twenty years ago knitters were doing that, and knitting Cthulhu and whatnot; those knitters are probably not going to be placid grandmas now. 😅
80, 000 is an almost unfathomable amount of money to me, and they basically lit that on fire to motivate themselves so they wouldn't get bored 😢 ughhhh i hate business majors. Oh and then after wasting 80k they go on to complain about having to pay people to do the actual work that needs to be done on the project, y'know since they can't do it themselves.
You’ve only got to look at what us technophobe Luddite grandmas did to the IOC back along. I think the phrase used was ‘ don’t upset 6 million people with pointy sticks’.
this whole thing is like a million times more hilarious when one remembers The Crochet Dude already exists. a guy already showed up to market to yarn hobbyists except he actually partakes in the craft too and knew what he was doing. they really didn’t do any research
Its wild because Grandma's on blogs is how i learned to crochet/knit Not only that but they passed down that craft over generations. Yeah of course a 65 year old woman who had been knitting since she was 13 is going to know better than a finance bro 🙄
They somehow started at rock bottom and just kept digging💀 Also calling grannies posting knitting content “unsophisticated” literally just punches down on generations, literally millennia, of fibre arts and artists. Like how else do you think skills get passed on if not from the older generation to the new one? We may have more modern ways to disseminate that information but learning from an elder is not unsophisticated in and of itself. I will never have anything more than disdain for “tech bros” who come in from outside of a community and try to “better” it with consumerism. This has so many parallels to ephemeral ink and that crashed and burned hard. They understand absolutely nothing about these communities and the generations of “traditions” built into them yet think they can just saunter in and conquer them with “tech” it’d be a bit bleak if it wasn’t so hilariously laughable, I’m glad to see these communities stand strong. On a side note, it’s fairly obvious they knew nothing abut fishing either, have you ever talked to a hobby fisherman? I have, trust me there’s just as many tools, tricks, gadgets, superstition, etc as there is in the fibre arts community so it does feel less like they thought there was nowhere to go in it (their excuse) and more that they thought the knitting community would be easier to infiltrate and cow.
Yep, my nephew had to build a shed and buy a bigger car to accommodate all his fishing gear. Not all fishermen sit and stare at a bobber...although that is my favorite way to fish. But I’m old.
The 'Chinese' models vs. 'Western models' bit is wild, because when they say "ha we can use Western models that the algorithm likes and China can't", they're implying they won't use Asian American/Asian Canadian/etc. models. Because there's almost no way the algorithm they're discussing and venerating can differentiate between Chinese born models and literally any other person of East Asian descent. So their "Western models" likely won't include any Asian people at all since they're worried the algorithm won't like it. (And honestly likely they'll veer away from any models with heavier bodies/darker skin since the algorithm is biased there as well).
Both my grandmothers died when I was small. Thus I’ve relied on my mother and ”internet grandmas” to learn to knit, crochet, sew, cross stitch and embroider. I’m really happy there are people who have the extra time and diligence to share their knowledge for free on internet. Age is irrelevant to a point, but if someone has been doing a given craft for decades and decades and possibly attended who knows how many meetups and courses and so on… That’s a very respectable amount of passion and experience. If they are great at teaching, that’s just excellent. : D I even like to watch woodworking and glassworking etc. videos although I don’t have the tools or space to do emulate most of those things. It’s just so interesting to see a skillful person using their craftmanship to create something beautiful.
I thought “secret sauce” was good, but then, when I heard about this not being his first “FOUR WAY” into the crafting sphere .... I damn near lost my mind 😳 Oh and “chasm”?? 🤔 Hmmm, it’s almost as if this guy has never been corrected in his entire adult life, is surrounded by people that always agree with him or are to afraid not to 🙄. Wow, what a guy.
Totally came down to the comments to remark on the hard CH pronunciation of "chasm." I mean, I there was a time when it was easier to have a little grace toward people who learned a word from reading it, but also, there are sites you can find that have native English speakers saying words (and for other languages, too), which makes it easier to learn how to say a word you haven't heard spoken before.
"We're married to a chinese lady though hahah" has the same energy as my grandpa complaining that he couldn't get into the KKK because he married a Mexican, in the same breath that he said he couldn't be racist because he married a Mexican.
Well yes, I think that's why they keep saying their market is just 'Beginners' because from what I've seen, once you start, you kind of get into the swing of what people recommend and how most people in the community do things. So I suppose just that first initial sale they're banking on. Obviously still super crappy & I'd love for some good knitter's to be running that domain & business. It just makes me so frustrated.
Well, I guess it's one of the things the community can do- flood forums and post all over the place about these geniuses so beginners looking for advice will see our opinions before they go to the site! @@gillypiexo
I learned how to knit from an elderly Scandinavian woman in her tiny knitting shop. It was a class of me and three other women. I was the youngest one in the room, at only 18 years old. She was so warm and excited to pass on her craft!
They're apparently not very in the loop on the tech end too. A LOT of software engineers are into fiber arts, especially knitting and crochet. One company I worked at half our team would be crocheting while we mobbed just to keep our hands busy and keep focused until it was our turn with the keyboard.
Back in some dark days in my career, I worked for a big-name business strategy consulting firm as a graphic designer. One of the most highly-paid consultants would put together presentations that I'd add graphics to, and the presentations tended to give bog-basic information surrounded by a lot of marketing-speak, and he'd put in his own notes (regularly), "Hold for applause." I think these guys just kept holding for applause and got mad that it never happened.
I love (read: hate) when business bros barge into a space they know nothing about and think they’ll „revolutionise“ it for their own personal gain. The Dunning-Kruger of it all.
I don't even know where to begin with this one. First, great info and video. I'm one of those grandmas (tho we like the name 'nana' in this house). I've got a PhD in a tech-related subject. Many of my fellow researchers were also PhD grandmas with degrees in computer science, health informatics, business, etc. I started on this path when the commercial internet, e-commerce, etc. were gaining popularity, but there were many before me. I say this because some must think that older people are hatched and have no life experience. There are plenty of grandmas that know computer graphics, ecommerce, marketing, business, etc. Nothing grinds my gears more than some ageist, sexist, no-nothing thinking he's going to help me out. I'm not a knitter, but I will stand with them.
Ditto. Started my web design business in 1998. No PhD, but decades of experience in coding, networking, building computers, graphic design, database design, data analysis, Instructional design, and technical writing for medical, education, and automotive, and the training of most of those. (My ADHD Dx at 60 made my life make perfect sense. I'm now into designing knitting (and some sewing) patterns. Finishing the e-commerce site now prior to launch.
@@EsmereldaPea ooh I always like learning things from other ADHD folks!! it seems like it makes it more likely it'll be laid out in a way that clicks with my brain 😅
@@EsmereldaPea your comment is so aspirational to me as someone in their early career who's passionate about both technology & creative arts. I've worked as a pharmacist and later transitioned to various types of software/data/devops engineer, and I'd love to continue exploring different career avenues through my life. Do you have any advice on how you were able to enter so many different fields? Thank you :)
@@rewindrecolour65 - I doubt my exact career path would be something to aspire to. It was more of a floundering from profession to profession. Luckily, I'd always had an aptitude for writing and I found when technology came into the picture, I had an aptitude for that as well. My neurodiversity made it extremely difficult to thrive in a corporate environment, but then when I started my own business, my ADHD made it difficult to be organized. At this point, I'm trying to maximize my neurodiversity by playing to my strengths and hoping that I can find a sweet spot of balance to be able to make a decent living and be happy doing it. If I were to give any advice it would be to get to know yourself with the help of a good therapist if need be, heal your trauma as early as you can, never lose your curiosity (or FIND it again and treasure it), and surround yourself with people who celebrate and support you. That's not just career advice, but general life advice as well. Good luck to you!
Between learning to knit from a sweet knowledgeable grandma or a random middle aged man who was never held knitting needles. The answer is very clear. Grandma will be the one who is excited for me finishing my first project and give me like a hard candy as a reward and it would be the most wholesome moment id remember for the rest of my life!
BRUH, I'm finishing my degree to be an audio engineer and the second the tutorial clip was played I LOST it lmaooo Most people will choose to deal with bad video quality over bad audio quality every timeee OOF
25:00-25:26 I don't ever really comment a whole lot here on UA-cam, but I also wanted to point out that these men did a WHOLE ENTIRE PODCAST explaining what they were going to do with their business. Then, they decided that the backlash was just speculation of their motives within the community. I really don't understand how they EVER thought that gaslighting BS was going to fool anyone! (especially the part about mansplaining!)
I commented on their long tail cast on video because she said it didn't matter if you held the short end in front or back. I was pretty salty about it and wasn't terribly nice. I said it DOES matter and that they need to stop misleading beginners. She came back and challenged me, saying they did a bunch of research and couldn't find any reason. (There are two important reasons) she asked ME why. I snarkily said if she didn't know she shouldn't be teaching. I'm afraid she got in the line of fire at my frustration with Those Two Guys. I feel kinda bad about it, but my expertise isn't free to make them money!
Wait I wanna learn, why do you need to watch the end you keep it on. I do knit, but I make very basic things and knit with me follow-along videos. Wasn't sure of the purpose off the top of my end
I don't knit or crochet but I am always down to hear a long-ass story about who was a bitch on the knitting messageboard or whose yarn is hideously overpriced.
I'm over here going "oh my god he did NOT" about people I'd never heard of an hour ago because tea that has nothing to do with anything I love is my favorite tea 😂
A similar thing happened in makeup. A team of engineers “revolutionized” animal hair makeup brushes because the foolish ladies didn’t realize their makeup brushes could be better. Temptalia’s takedown of Rephr is epic.
That’s so funny, do they not know how much money is invested in cosmetics annually into R&D and marketing? It’s a billion dollar industry and involves a lot of scientists, engineers and other professionals
It had been years since I thought about these dorks and their nonsense. I remember knitting a pattern with a dumpster fire in homage to the amount of ridiculousness on display. This was such a fun trip down memory lane, I checked out your other videos- and I think I'll subscribe. Can't wait to sit down with my sweater's unfinished sleeves and sort that mess out with a whole bunch of new stuff to watch!
BTW, those aluminum gripless crochet hooks will absolutely wreck your hands if you use them for a decent length of time. There's a reason they can sell 8 of them for $10. If you want my two cents, I'd figure out what project you want to crochet first and then buy that size hook with a grip, since you can buy pretty much any size individually at Joann/Michael's.
Been in the knitting sphere since early 2000s, Rav since 2009, like clockwork every few years some men will come in, mansplain knitting to us, and act like they just discovered this “business” and hobby. Fun fact, I first encountered the word “mansplain” in the Rav forums, when one such man started writing long essays about the history of knitting in response to criticism, as if we, knitters, didn’t already know this!
As a serial entrepreneur and chaos crafter who often designs her own websites, I found it incredibly ironic that when I went to their website now the load time, popups, and ads slowed it down so that it was functionally unusable. Makes me assume they know about as much about building quality websites as they do the knitting community.
I watch your channels while working on my crochet products and I had to put it down and rewind some parts to really appreciate what you were saying. Also, super excited that you quoted my friend Aiobhe Ni. I had to rewind again to enjoy that part and reflect that famous people know me. Love your content, I have watched them all - while working on my latest projects.
I've been working in the marketing and customer service industry for about 7 years now, and oh my God the number one thing you DO NOT DO when you have angry customers/consumers is to respond to their anger with "You're just overreacting! And clearly you don't understand!" How have these guys ever made money or run a successful company when the way they communicate and handle PR is so terrible?!
Just discovered this channel and it is so good! You found the sweet spot between gossip and investigative reporting that I did not know I needed. The detail and commitment are just so impressive, as an ND knitter I salute you 🖖
I was taking a sip of my drink when you read the part of them describing backlash as a bullying halo, and I literally did an unintended spit take, lol. My goodness, they should've just kept silent. 💜
It’s always hilariously sad to me when people try to propose ways to capitalize the hell out of the artist space without regard to the culture of the community they want to exploit and how that’s going to go over with them
The same thing happened years back with a few fanfiction projects which were tech bros trying to exploit creativity. These bozos value ideas but not work. Creativity needs both.
That knitting tutorial sounds like me trying to meet the word count for an essay. “It really is the first stitch to learn!” is absolutely something I’d throw at the end of a paragraph just so I can be done
i actually wish comic sans was used unironically more often as it's one of the dyslexia friendly fonts 😔 it's easy on the eyes and i tend to use it whenever i write anything longer in word. i wrote so many academic papers using comic sans and had a post it on my laptop reminding me to switch the font to times new roman before i submit the file 😭
This is hilarious!!!! I have been specialising in beginner's knitting for 10 years - so they are so not the first. It is a real skill to show people how to do it - you really do have to know the technical stuff! I have spent 50 years learning (still not a grandma) - and this is such a diverse, helping, inclusive community. Yes - I am not really good at my videos and techie stuff - but I am totally solid in my knitting techniques.
If knitting UA-cam grandmas are anything like sewing/machine embroidery UA-cam grandmas that have saved my butt on several occasions, some of them ARE making sleek, highly produced content. The internet would fall apart without these ladies.
27:52 "These are the dangers of building in public" then don't shove your whole set of cheeks out there and rub it all over the internet! If you don't want people to judge you while your website and business is still a work in progress...then idk don't make a blog and a podcats about making a website!
Honestly this is a great and timely video for someone who is a beginner at knitting - now I can be sure to steer clear of anything these guys are involved in while looking for resources
I put down my WIP in the middle of this. My flabber is absolutely gasted.
ROTFL This is criminally under-liked. 😂😂😂😂
This comment smacked my gob
I absolutely did too, and I knew about half of it, but the memories 😂
@ville__ 🧐
Our flabbers are collectively gasting away. This is nuts.
It’s such a fundamental misunderstanding of their market to assume knitters would trust their content over an ancient wordpress blog by a 68 year old woman. I know what I’d pick.
😂😂😂
Grandma's tutorials hit hard
If it's taught by anyone younger than retirement age, it ain't it...
Exactly! Or a poorly lit, terribly edited barely in focus tutorial video. I’ll take that any day over glossy high production value videos created by people who don’t know anything.
Yes and beginners know this too. We don’t choose the content we seek to learn something from by what the domain is. Most people have more experience navigating online spaces regardless if they buy from Amazon or not.
Grandma is not an "unsophisticated competitor," maybe, just maybe, she is doing it for fun and sharing it with others to enjoy
Yes, knitting grandmas are known to be cut-throat corporate competitors out to drain the bank accounts of anyone they can! 😂
@@meh_lady you've met my nana!
Grandma also knows how to spell unravelling.
@@mxich8791 the finance bros show their lack of sophistication by denigrating and failing to invesigate their proposed market.
Clearly grandma isn’t a cryptopilled gigachad capitalist boss then is she?
The worst part is I can see these guys unironically endorsing this joke statement. Also no idea if they actually do crypto it just feels like they would.
You forgot to mention that they spent $80,000 on the domain and didn’t lock down ANY of the social media handles. IIRC, the Twitter and Instagram handles were QUICKLY picked up by actual knitters and it was BRILLIANT.
omg yeah I did forget to put that in! I read about it but it got lost in my notes
@@emmainthemoment Forgetting some of the details of the chaos of these guys is fully understandable. It always makes me inarticulate when I try to explain it because it’s so frustrating.
those silly little business moguls
This makes me so, so happy 🥹
Oh yeah, when someone tickles our petty bone, we’re savages 😂😂😂
First rule of yarn crafts: nobody comes after grandma. You come for grandma, we come for you.
i've never seen an online community more protective of their older members than fiber artists. most of us learned the crafts from older women either online or in person and this community couldn't exist without the grandmas and their wordpress blogs and 240p youtube videos
And we Grandmas heartily thank you 😂for your support
My grandma didn’t knit personally so the Grandmas of YT helped me learn. Thank you Grandmas and all you lovely people who make ACTUAL knitting tutorials. You make the world a brighter place
So many of us have learned from our grandmothers, we naturally feel defensive because of our gratitude
Grandmas need to be protected at all costs, they do so much for the youngsters in their families.
“Knitters are always interested in new tools!”
Me, looking at my two little sticks that my ancestors have been using for hundreds of years:
I just told my husband at dinner, that one I had the all the needle sizes I needed, some basic stitch markers and a thingie that you use to magnetically follow your pattern, I was set for life as far as tools go
My momma knits and she literally just sanded down some chopsticks and bamboo skewers for needles after she lost all the ones she bought and didn't want to buy more 😂
I did buy a neck light so I can chill with my husband in the basement and knit near him while he watches tv or records music. It's poorly lit down there and the neck light was cheaper than a standing lamp 🤣
I think the only time I've bought new needles in a size I already had is when I lost or broke the old ones
Technophobic Luddite Grandma here. I am standing on the shoulders of generations of grandmas who were all instrumental in passing on their skills to me. I wanted to come in and say thank you to all the younger generation who are supporting us and keeping the skills alive. It is an absolute pleasure passing my skills on to all who are keen and eager to learn.
Thank you for this episode.
I appreciate your thanks, but just know that we are standing on your shoulders and using your knowledge. Have a great day and good luck on your current project. 😊
Your internet grandchildren ❤ you
❤❤
Thank you. @@amiejo
I absolutely love seeing craft tutorials from grandmas who just want to share their craft knowledge. It's like being invited into this great chain of knowledge and innovation and shared joy of making something.
Them not thinking knitters would be interested in becoming entrepreneurs further proves they didn’t do ANY market research. 🤦🏻♀️
yea, I figured their big thing was going to be hyped-up video classes teaching how to turn your craft hobby passion into dollaz
Litterally 2 seconds you can find tons of people trying to make knitting and crochet their business alot of this channel is businesses fighting over stolen patterns!!!
Imagine being so condescending and content brained that it simply doesn’t occur to you that someone could knit a sweater and then want to sell it
I was about to comment this too. Absolutely wild..as if no crafter has ever been entrepreneurial and started their own business lol
As a Chinese person (ethnically), the thing that’s funnier about their comments about being married to Chinese women is that it literally reads as fetishization and so it actually makes them come across even worse
THIS. The lack of self awareness is staggering
The fact that they're in drop-shipping made it even ickier, like, "did you just marry your translator?" 😬
I had that thought as well!
yes! the fact they BOTH are is hinky AF
Yes
i love how they say “hey MISTER influencer” because they cannot conceptualize working with a woman in a social space
I deal with this on a weekly basis at my work! I working in the Paint Department. The amount of Sexism that I've encountered b/c a man can't stand the fact that a Woman actually knows something about the Home Improvement aspects of things.
@@LilDevyl17 this remains one of the funniest things to me, because so much of what is considered feminine is colour coordination. Sewing, knitting, makeup, the list goes on, and so much of it is "what colour goes best with this". Of course the second it becomes "hard labour" or home improvement based, suddenly a man knows more
Yea the thing with the 68 year old grandma rubbed me sooo the wrong way because it’s like “oh so you do acknowledge that there are women who operate in this community but when it comes to someone you believe to be successful like an influencer of course it going to be a man” which I find SO INTERESTING because obviously needlecraft has been around for centuries and historically regarded as “women’s work” and only through peoples love and dedication to the community (people like “grandma”) have we now made progress in destigmatizing needlecraft as a “feminine” pastime since these online resources are open to ANYONE so put some respect on her name like that grandma could beat ur ass and make a dope scarf at the same time if it were me I’d want her on my side
What they said: "Their intended audience is not the experienced knitters [...] but it is instead the beginners who buy their knitting products off of Amazon."
What I heard: Our intended audience is naive newcomers we can sell drop-shipped garbage to at higher prices than Amazon.
YUP! The item selection in their shop looks very much like a batch of vaguely related stuff they got for even cheaper than usual
no seriously it's just SO transparent! they aren't even trying to hide it bc apparently, we aren't smart enough to peek behind the curtains here 🙄🙄🙄 i think they seriously believe that women and elderly people are just THAT stupid and gullible (not to mention, they don't seem to think ANY gen z or millennials have ever capitalized in this space)
Seems like to me, it’s two guys who thought they’d get richer off of those silly stupid knitters. Not cool.
This!
Also that Demographic in mind is kinda low, me and my friend both got crafts and got all the suplies of our moms and grandmas. I mean most people nothers and grandmother were thought stuff like that in school even if they didnt gove any shit about it the supplies dont go bad and are proably still on someones basement
I’m not a knitter, but I am a sewist so I understand the pain of two guys coming into the space and going “uhhhh have you tried selling stuff for more money and making it worse???”
I am a proud product of quilting grandmas who upload UA-cam videos, who taught me in Joann’s Fabrics sewing classes, and who were my professors in college.
My favorite thing about fiber arts is how accessible it is even with like… zero money. I am getting back into crochet and have invested less than $50 TOTAL and I’ve made two decent size projects :)
i read that as sexist HELPPP
@@aformerhiro7383 Oh those two guys are definitely sexist. I’m a guy and this is standard sexist guy behavior: jumping into a historically women’s craft and assuming you know better
@@cjboyoA classic men's pasttime!
@@aformerhiro7383I did too and my brain stuttered
Grandmas have been passing these crafts down for generations and generations. My grandma taught me how to crochet, and when i want to learn something new i look for the grandmas online, because - shocker - 50+ years of perfecting a craft can make you a pretty good teacher. For these guys to see it’s grandmas online passing down their wisdom and think “sweet, we can crush them” is absolutely baffling and appalling.
I think these guys are delusional as you say its a craft thats been handed down from generation t generation. They really don't know the history of knitting as it was done by both men and women, in the area miners would do it on their walk to and from the pit.
These men clearly didnt have grammas
my family aren't really crafty people so i taught myself crochet but i cant wait to teach my kids and maybe grandkids to crochet down the line
It's not baffling. It's just what bros playing capitalism do. It IS appalling, though.
No worries, these men are incredibly daft and grandmas have far more power in the community than they could ever dream of, all that they'll achieve is an investment failure.
"People are assuming we're going to mansplain!" well no shit, your business idea is "let's mansplain about something we know fuck all about!"
Along with drop shipping cheap crap, this was literally their buisness model. It was so weird and hilarious.
Their whole business model is mansplaining
@ville__hush up now, the grownups are talking.
@@astrid.00.7
The real people are talking
@@astrid.00.7report them for spam, don’t talk to them like a human being because they’re not
when I first tried to learn to crochet, I bought books. I failed. I went to commercial websites - I didn't understand. It was quick and flashy and looked great but I couldn't learn from it. Came to youtube, found a video of a woman who showed nothing but her hands and up the yarn on and off the hook several times. Did about 20 sc very slowly... explaining explaining....... that's how I learned. These guys can kiss my butt.
Do you know what channel that video was under? I've been struggling to learn crochet for ages.
@@patheticlobsters7626watch “crochet soft chevron blanket” by CrochetHooksYou. It’s an Australian woman going stitch by stitch with goats in the background. SHE taught me how to crochet!!
@@patheticlobsters7626i dont know if you still whant that information.
But i just searched for the stich name plus "tutorial"/"beginner" i wanted to learn.
Just click on one that is a short video and has the hands on the thumbnail♥️🥰
Alot of kind an straight to the point woman out there that are extremly helpfull♥️
"no one wants to see a video mike and dave created completely from scratch"
ME!!! ME!!! I DO!!! I WANT TO WATCH THEM HOLD THE CROCHET HOOK UPSIDE DOWN
if they revamped their entire business to be "come make fun of our ineptitude, for we shall put it on display in a series of videos of us attempting to learn this craft from AI-generated descriptions of basic stitches" they'd get views in droves!
@@mewho8057 yeah I was thinking that too like they described the business model of being content first and building brand loyalty through content, and that would be a perfect way to actually do that instead of whatever the heck they're tryna do. You would probably gain the interest and support of experts and beginners alike (though you have to be likeable for that to work lol)
they could have made so much money out of doing that
I have copious amounts of popcorn to share for that comedy show!🤣🤣
"We didnt think knitters would find our podcast" says everything about how much these guys acrually care about the community they are trying to "revolutionize"
They really did zero research into their market audience and then blamed it on the audience
😂😂 grandma's cant use google....you havent met women who are retired and bored
They just flattened the entire community to people who knit, that's all we do, we knit. Who'd have the time to care about business, have a job, or even listen to podcast when we knit all day?? 😂
That's why they were actually admitting out loud that they wished they could use deceptive discount seller SEO practices to sell harder (albeit racistly labeling sharp business practice as 'Chinese'). They assumed only other sales bros who were in on the scam would see it.
They think the fiber arts communities are technophobic yet literally EVERYTHING I know about fiber arts was learned online and I'm 1,000% sure I'm not unique in that. What a dumb thing to think 🤣
Knitting was used during WWII to deliver coded messages. I know several older computer coders (think now in their 70s and 80s) who learnt binary through Knitting. (Think knit/perl combinations)
Knitting has an incredibly rich, complex history and it's hardly technophobic.
@@raylouis7013 This. These dudes seem to know as much about knitting as I did as a child in 1980.
When I got back into knitting as an adult, maybe around 2005-2010 there was already a ton of resources on the net, and the knitting/code connection quickly became apparent to me. And then with blogs and Ravelry the tech/knitting connection just snowballed over the last 15 years. (It took awhile for this aspect to make it into physical spaces, to the big yarn brands, but that too is more than 10 years old.)
These guys are hard to believe, they must have done absolutely no research at all. It's not like it is hard either. Just a week on google, youtube and ravelry would have educated them enough. And since they are business guys, maybe read up just a tiny bit on the industrial side of yarn for knitting (where is it made, how has that changed over the last 30-50 years, what are the technical innovations, which big brands have disappeared, etc?) The history of knitting needles? Magazines?
There _is_ a business side to this, and even just looking at the industrial side, is quite interesting.
Knitting was also used to help with the Apollo mission. They knitted through magnet rings to create a physical representation of the programming needed in the computer that would be much more durable against the radiation exposure in space than traditional memory storage.
I was lucky enough to learn the basics from my grandma, then picked it up again as a teen when we had a project week at school and one of the projects was knitting and crochet. I made a whole scarf in that project. But I'm now in my late 20's and picking it up again with the help of technology and different knitting and crochet blogs have been SO helpful.
Right? I taught myself how to knit with UA-cam and Instagram 😅😂
While all of this is atrocious, tone deaf, and appalling. The fact they can look at their daughter enjoying a craft. And thinking they could use her for business instead of seeing their child's joy is probably the most dispicable for me. Let people enjoy things and don't drag children into your corrupt money making scheme.
It's probably something my father'd do but thankfully he was only a sysadmin and I was his token "but I have a daughter" daughter.
But do either of them really have a daughter.
This! So icky.
They could just be lying just to get people off their back lol
Also the fact that she is SIX and they wanted to use her for their business 😖
After my accident, when my hands hurt too much to hold needles and hooks, it was the women who had been knitting for decades, who were in similar positions of being in pain, who showed me my knitting machine. It's not the same, but I still get to create things that keep people warm, hats and scarves and blankets, and don't have shooting pain through my hands and my arms five minutes in. I would never have been able to find it without those women who suggested it to me. While I don't always like the attitude the knitting community takes towards tools to help disabled knitters, I'm grateful to the section that still sees us as the creators we are. These men are for sure not part of that group.
I'm so happy the machine helps you create things!
Knitting machines are great! I've actually seen stuffed animals created with knitting machines.
@@Miss_Kisa94 Really?! That's amazing! I love would to do that one day, when I get better at using it. I'm good at the simple things, since finishing them off is easier on my arms and hands, but maybe one day!
@@9r7g5h that's the joys of Pinterest you can learn so many things 😂 and I don't even knit!
what kind of knitting machine do you use? I've only ever seen the round ones, but when I was talking about it with my mom, she told me her mother had a straight knitting machine that could do rows just like that! It just made me so amazed at technology
I have a friend who goes to the thrift store when they have five dollar fill-a-bag days and buys up knitted or crocheted stuff that would otherwise end up in landfill. She washes it takes it apart and makes some really nice blankets that she gives to the local women shelter. Instead of ending up in the landfill, these sweaters/scarves/, hats, etc. are having a new life and being reused
That’s amazing ❤
that's so lovely, she's an icon
@@lrizzard she reaped some rewards last week; got about 10 balls of wool yarns last week from the thrift store. It was “fill a bag for $5” day. So a minimum $200 of yarn for $5!
I’m always so jealous when I hear about thrifting because that’s not a hung in my city at all, I yearn (yarn hehe) for something like that and how much help it would be to other people
That is such a good idea
The fact that these dudes claimed to survey the competition and literally didn't mention Ravelry at all has me thinking they probably ...didn't do any research... at all
Idk how you can say this when they CLEARLY went ALL THE WAY INSIDE of a Michael's 😂😂
I'm pretty sure it's because they saw the merciless evisceration we were giving them in the Ravelry forums... at one point my group had a contest for who could get blocked the fastest from commenting.
Word on that!
Their research was basically just pulling to mind all the ignorant assumptions they could make
This might be the funniest part, to me
Our grandmas are literally the way these art forms have been passed down… put some respect on grandmas who are willing to share with us literal HISTORY
For real my mom and gramma taught me and I can still call her up and ask if I need anything. These guys are trash
The fact their so quick to shit on grandmas and assume their more approachable than a grandma just makes me think they hate their own or look down on their own
It's funny coming from a couple of grandpas, isn't it?
My grandmother crocheted the most beautiful, intricate doilies and lace items but had never learned to read a printed pattern. She could create her own or read the stitches and reproduce from an original. People would bring their crocheted doilies for her to starch and block. I remember seeing items with ruffles that had to be 5 inches tall, heavily starched, attached to a blocking board and drying in the sun. Then, one day she asked me to come and show her how to single crochet, she had forgotten how. Didn't realize until later that was one of the first signs of the dementia to which we eventually lost her. A wonderful, sweet woman, Myrtle Isaacs Britton.
I paused this to SCREAM at the "fishing can't be improved" section. My longest continuous job was in the marine industry, I worked in marine GPS, sounders etc and mostly dealt with fishers and I was present at so many international boat shows. The absolute scream that TORE ITSELF FROM MY THROAT....the marine industry is ALWAYS updating. New materials, new fibres, new ways to get an edge.
Yes absolutely it is a competitive market, but the reason they would not do well there is because there are so many people who are already trying to innovate and have been in the industry for decades at least and it would be....costly. it is R&D, it is tech, it is all the kind of stuff that needs continual investment.
The reason grandma was good at teaching me how to knit is because....it hasn't really changed. Not because it "cant" or because knitting girlies are just waiting for venture capitalists to save them from the plight of using knitting needles....so much as we went and perfected this shit (not me, I'm blind, but my ancestors can get in on it) thousands of years ago.
Of course there will be new materials and dyes and things like that....but those are also being done. I am so confused as to how these guys don't know that.
As for „perfecting this shit“, crochet has the granny stitch, so called for the fact that granny can’t see that well anymore. You’re literally crocheting into holes instead of stitches. Great accessibility feature.
I‘m not saying you have to try it, of course, just that there’s something that could work for you, if you ever want to try.
i hate business bros so much. their only passion in life is getting rich by any means and they will bulldoze thru any community to achieve that goal (obviously turning a beloved craft into soulless content isnt the worst thing these types have done, but it just shows they they will do this no matter the scale)
LITERALLY!!!!
Same. I despise AI folks pretending to be artists just as much.
My comment was about this too. Business bros are the worst
@ville__ ??? Weird place to SPAM your nonsense. (Just report this bot.)
@@amarketing8749yep! Reported the bot and didn't engage with them.
Wild that they didn't go with fishing because the tools are "too basic" to iterate on, and chose knitting instead, the craft that uses crazy complex tools and definitely not just two pointy sticks
Fishing can be extremely complex and fascinating, especially when you get into things like tying flies. My mom used to tie flies, they were beautiful.
I was so surprised by them finding fishing gear to be basic. I BARELY know a thing about fishing but I know there’s a TON of specialized gear out there
I think they just tried to cover up the fact that they don't know anything about the complex technicalities of fishing and didn't wanna put in any effort to learn more about it, while thinking knitting would be an easy way to make money off of
They’ve probably been in more Bass Pro Shops and Dick’s then Michael’s and Joann’s and thought sports look hard let’s try getting $ from crafty house wives again!
@@ShainaMakesStuff exactly this!
The fact that they don't think grandmas with 20 year old blogs AREN'T the absolute best resource someone could find for this is just too funny to me.
She's been knitting for far longer and she's been posting for two decades? Not only does she know her shit, but she has PASSION which is essential
You can still use books from 100 years ago to learn knitting. It's not like cooking where if you go back enough they don't sell some products anymore or the recipes are like "cook in a hot oven until done" because it was written for a wood-burning oven. The only problem an old knitting blog would have, aside from stuff possibly not being fashionable anymore, is some of the products might not be sold anymore. But "use 400 yards acrylic yarn in brick red" works just fine no matter what year it is.
Seriously!! I was like “a 20 year old blog?? Holy moly that must have some real knowledge archived there.”
I'd like to take this opportunity to shout out my elderly neighbor, Mrs. Keal, who taught me to crochet at age 9, giving me a love of yarn and the confidence to pick up the sticks at age 19, long after she'd passed on. Loved ya, honorary grandma. You meant the world to me.
The way this guy pronounced “chasm” is SENDING me 😂😂😂
And niche!! He said ‘chuh-asm’ and ‘nicht’ i’ve never heard anyone pronounce them like that. Maybe some people do, but it almost feels like they’re just out of touch with everything, or like the guy from Glass Onion who everyone thinks is a genius cause he earns a lot of money but he’s actually an idiot who makes up words lmao. Thats how a lot of these rich white guy entrepreneurs seem like honestly
I'm glad I'm not the only one to be amused by this....
or niche how do you f them up.
Also, when I'm looking for videos to teach me a new knitting technique I want to learn, my absolute FAVORITE THING is seeing a very grainy video showing a pair of wrinkled old hands. I just KNOW that video is gonna be concise, clear, informative, and gentle. No bells and whistles, no calls to action, no random ad breaks or what the fuck ever. Just Aunt Agnes showing me four different ways to p2tbl whether I'm knitting English or Continental. Sure, her channel hasn't updated since 2014, but I'm keeping that damn video saved forever.
So much this! I have videos saved from the first few years of this place that people would cringe at today, but they are THE BEST at explaining things.
Best video I ever watched was two old ladies from somewhere in northern Europe, teaching how to use DPNs. I didn't understand a word they were saying, but they demonstrated so well at their kitchen table that I didn't need words to understand.
Exactly this. These old grandmas not only teach me a craft but also soothe my soul.
"we'll pay them as fairly as possible" hearing that makes my skin absolutely crawl. No one who isn't completely morally bankrupt would even think a phrase like that let alone say it. ALSO: something is either fair, or it's not! There aren't degrees of fairness!
PS, love the vest!
Ahh yes brother to getting paid by "exposure". I have sought out and paid thousands of dollars in my life to learn speciality things from many artist, to me it's an investment. I don't want to corrupt my own paycheck either, making this type of thing more common. It's undercutting.
I've had a plethora of impressive granny mentors that have taught me more than I could ever expect from someone looking at art thru capitalism glasses. I believe I'm also becoming one of those grannies now 😅 which to now sound like a granny I think the internet will be their achilles heel, it's so much easier to be your own boss now. These specialties have online communities where it's easier to interact with each other.
“Pay as fairly as possible” -> “we will pay the absolute bare minimum we can get away with”
I learned to crochet from my retired neighbor across the street, Mrs. Nason. I was 13 and had picked up the basics from a Coats & Clarks pamphlet, but crochet is really something you need to see done. She answered my questions and, after I came home from school, I would go over to her home and we would crochet together. She provided an oasis of calm for me. I am 67 now, but will always remember her with warmth and affection. That's something two male entrepreneurs can't ever sell, the bond of love for creation.
Beautifully put.
They see knitting as something to be exploited. Their logic mirrors that of developers who contribute to gentrification. “Let’s take this community and shove our way in because no one has made it profitable yet and there’s money to be made!” In reality they just don’t understand how the knitting community works, and that it’s about so much more than making money. It’s about sharing tips, ideas, spreading love for something. The concept of sharing is so baffling to them, they think we are all idiots for not trying to make money off of every little thing.
Trying so desperately to shove Business™ into a community that's more often than not very much anti-capitalist is peak dumbassery
My favourite thing about knitting is that I can just walk into a tiny store I would have never even noticed if I hadn't been looking for it, tell the very friendly lady there (not saying it couldn't be a man, it just always were ladies where I went) what I wanted to knit, and they immediately knew which yarns would fit my project. No hours of searching online, no fears of being scammed, just picking between two or three yarns that were a little thicker or thinner but all perfect for my project.
That's not something any website has ever offered me when it came to creative projects. Especially not one that just wants to sell me lots of stuff and lead me to believe that I need the newest needle or this innovation in yarn or whatever the heck.
This attitude is pervasive in our capitalist society. Every time I pick up a new hobby or get deeper into to an existing one, a lot of people around me are like “you could sell these!!” And Im here just wanting to make a quilt for myself and the people I love. Contrary to popular dogma, everything you do doesn’t have to be monetized or min/maxed to a point where your creative expression becomes a mechanical process.
I wish I could give multiple thumbs up for your comment
Agreed! Not every single thing needs to be sold!
AMEN!
My dad said that to me after I made dnd figurines for my party. Like man, no.
My mom has the BEST intentions when she says this. But mom ...noooo. I'm disabled. I have carpal tunnel. I crochet when I can for my mental health. If I sold my projects I couldn't take my time and would be stressed about it.
As a graphic designer, no no noooo to the four fonts. And, to quote from Butterick's Practical Typography: "Times New Roman is not a font choice so much as the absence of a font choice, like the blackness of deep space is not a color. To look at Times New Roman is to gaze into the void."
From another person versed in graphic design, thank you for saying that. I wouldn't have been able to explain it as eloquently.
Times New Roman is serif though. Wouldn’t a void font be sans-serif? /genuine
Man oh man I LOVE that quote!
😂😂😂
my workplace has just mandated only Arial for all slides, presentations and posters. I live in that void now.
Grandmas are the literal backbone of the knitting community wtf. I was taught to knit by my elderly neighbour who would look after me after school. RIP Maggie, these men have nothing on you!
The very slight semantic difference between "compensated fairly" and "compensated as fairly as possible" is actually pretty significant.
Fair compensation for fiber arts is, as we all know, steep. The time, effort, materials, and built up knowledge that go into things like pattern design mean that most work would need to be compensated at $30+ per item, especially if people are creating something like a pattern for sale - if you're expecting to sell their pattern, you're going to have to give them a portion of sales, otherwise it would be more proitable for them to sell it on ravelry or etsy.
But if you're compensating "as fairly as possible", then they have plausible deniability to under pay contributer under the front that they "can't afford" to pay them more.
It's a suble but important change in language that allows them to profit off of scamming contributors and still pretend they're doing the right thing.
Thank you for pointing this out - I sell crochet doll commissions from time to time, but my works are expensive, and I know they're expensive, and I even apologize to people that they're expensive. I charge $80 for a small Flareon doll... which would be over twice as much if I actually charged minimum wage per hour. Fiber arts take work.
"Grandma who had her blog for the last 20 years" as a bad thing???
I do not knit but i am learning hand embroidery and my god the disrespect to older crafters is absolutely infuriating.
You better respect those "grandma blog" crafters because blogs are always absolute gold mines of resources for crafts. If those blogs didn't exist I would still be struggling to learn even the basics. They really did not do any research into knitting at any point of this disaster.
Im sorry I had to pause the video because… “they thought knitters wouldn’t be interested in the entrepreneurial side of things”
Like sir, have you _met_ knitters? Have you heard of Etsy? Plenty of knitters are small business owners.
I know right??? I had the same thought!! I think it's safe to say that ANY crafter has at least considered the possibility of selling what they make. Clearly these guys have never been to a craft fair, a farmer's market, or a community pop-up event... Or heard of Etsy 🤦🏻♀️
Indy dyers, pattern designers, etc
Right, and this is one of the first things that non-knitters always ask about - "oh do you have an etsy" "are you going to sell stuff" we always always get asked if we are going to monetize knitting!
They forgot about the “industry” half of the phrase “cottage industry.”
My husband, who is neither a crafter nor a business bro immediately asked me "but aren't there a million Etsy shops selling patterns and crafting kits?" His whole expertise is living with a woman who crochets every now and then and even he has a better understanding of the market than these two 😂
Holy fuck I wish I had the confidence of a straight, white tech/finance bro.
Right?! 🤬
Their level of confidence is just incredible!
Every day when I wake up, I say "have the audacity of a straight white man today" it is really oddly empowering to me
@@lazyhomesteader I love this so much 😆
No, you don't , because then you'd have to use the PhD in Douche-ery that goes with it. 😆
I've never read Grandma's Knitting Blog, but I already know I love it. How dare they insult our crafty Nanas 😠
It's so funny to me that they said they looked at fishing and thought "there's nothing we can improve here" when fishing rods and reels can be super complex and many with so many different techniques and materials. They just didn't want to get called out for being subpar drop shippers and thought they could get away with it by going into the knitting community.
It's incredible that they went ahead and basically admitted that they were tourists in the knitting community and are essentially grifters trying to take advantage of a trending niche.
In defence of Comic Sans: As a teacher, I use Comic Sans because it is a very dyslexic-friendly font. Students with dyslexia tend to have fewer issues with reading whole words when it's presented in CS when compared to other fonts.
I always wince a little when people criticize it and this is why.
I'm working on patterns at the moment and downloaded a font specifically made for Dyslexics because I wanted to make it as accessible as possible. I'm Autistic and am finding it's also helping me as well so now when I start a new pattern I first go in and copy the instructions and change it over before I print it (I find physical patterns easier).
My friend (who is a dyslexic ADHDer) checked it out for me as well and said it's been very useful for her and so she now uses it when she types up her uni assignments. She also uses it for her teaching resources when she's on placement (she's about a year away from being a HS Teacher).
I'm not on my laptop right now but for memory it's called "Open Dyslexic" if you were keen to give it a go. If you have any difficulties finding it let me know and I can double check it on my laptop and get the details for you 😊
I'm very defensive of Comic Sans as well but figured I'd drop you an alternative that was specifically designed with accessibility in mind. 😊
Me too!!
Calibri also is very dyslexia friendly, which is why it is often the standard in Word, and would've been better suited to their site. That said: yes to no-dunking on Comic Sans, because it's a legitimate font that is underloved.
Thank you! It's so easy to make jokes on Comic Sans these days that people no longer accept it as a valid font, instead equating it with childishness. It's textbook ableism
My eyes rolled at them thinking no straight men know how to knit. I grew up with an elderly uncle who was a straight man who loved knitting. It was something he did to relax and to make hats and scarves for his loved ones.
One of my uncles was in the Navy. He used to knit, said it kept his hands warm and the blood flowing to them when it was cold on night watch.
My grandfather taught him how to do it. He did it on night watch during WWII for the same reason.
The witch hunt comment reminds me of a line in Fargo season 5: You know what a witch hunt is, right? Not witches hunting men, but men killing women to keep them in line.
My straight dad learned to knit from a little German Oma in the 1960's.
I learned to knit from my uncle when I was 10 (many decades ago). None of the women knew how & I wanted to learn. My uncle said he learned to knit in the Navy in WWII because "that's how you got warm socks." A practical reason for him, but I was more interested in the magic of a stick and a string that ends up turning into an actual object, whether useful or beautiful (or both). More recently, I love knitting for it's meditative, soothing qualities. Thanks, Uncle Lynton, for starting me on this journey.
i think cody ko even said in a recent vid that he knew how to crochet (or at least at one point he did) because he learned from his grandma. which is the double whammy of a straight dude knowing fiber arts and having learned it from what they'd probably consider "some technophobic granny"
So basically they saw an industry dominated by women and decided they could swoop in and mansplain it to us. We will be so grateful for their unreserved clueless BS and then... PROFIT
They’ll always have to buy yarn! I literally saw a guide to unraveling thrift store sweaters for yarn. I’ve considered buying a spinning wheel. The means of yarn production seem like a pretty natural extension of the knitting hobby
They clearly know a lot about the instruments needed for knitting, being such massive tools themselves.
Underrated comment
These guys are pretty inarticulate. Pronouncing the ch in chasm while talking about unsophisticated content creators is wild yet on brand for these kinds of guys
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who winced at that.
omg, I didn’t know this. thank you for your service 😭
Haha… so silly of them… but uh, how *do* you pronounce chasm? Asking for a friend…
Edit: Ok! I’ve looked it up! Have no fear fellow primarily written vocabulary learners! It is a hard C, like ‘ka-sum’ not ‘ch-a-sum’
They also misspelled unraveling 😂. They’re not nearly as smart as they think
@@caraskelton1525 Kaz-im
When I learned their previous thing was selling coloring books for adults, it suddenly made so much sense. They thought that dropshipping a single specific product would translate 1-to-1 with dropshipping a whole entire hobby. Not that coloring books can't involve artistry or be a hobby, but it's not this whole niche world of tools and techniques in the way knitting is. Like honestly if they had just bought a good domain name and sold a specific knitting-related product, it might've worked fine for their SEO scheme and not gone viral. But the fact that they acted like they could buy and sell us the whole hobby was just insulting.
Also I don't get why people like this always sound so proud of themselves... Like bro, your ENTIRE PERSONALITY is making money. How do you not get tired of living with yourself? I'd be so bored.
The adult coloring book trend brought in a lot of "entrepreneurs" who thought they could get rich by dumping a ton low-content books on Amazon. They are still around, now using AI "art" and selling classes about how to produce low content books to the easily duped. (Some have even lost their Amazon accounts because of their unethical business practices.)
Assuming knitters don’t want to fight (either good or bad) is the worst mistake you can make 😂
literal lol. genius comment & funny cause it is so true.
They are literally armed with stabby things...
I mean, we’re walking around with pointy sticks
I suddenly had a flashback to the Craftster forums, my first foray into the internet world of crafts many many years ago, whose logo was a skull and crossbones with knitting needles for the bones.
I wasn't knitting much in those days, I'm really only now discovering the online world of knitting, but I cannot help but think that's another thing they overlooked in their "research." About twenty years ago knitters were doing that, and knitting Cthulhu and whatnot; those knitters are probably not going to be placid grandmas now. 😅
That was the funniest part to me too. Obviously they've never seen Rubberneckers or r/craftsnark or...
80, 000 is an almost unfathomable amount of money to me, and they basically lit that on fire to motivate themselves so they wouldn't get bored 😢 ughhhh i hate business majors. Oh and then after wasting 80k they go on to complain about having to pay people to do the actual work that needs to be done on the project, y'know since they can't do it themselves.
You’ve only got to look at what us technophobe Luddite grandmas did to the IOC back along. I think the phrase used was ‘ don’t upset 6 million people with pointy sticks’.
this whole thing is like a million times more hilarious when one remembers The Crochet Dude already exists. a guy already showed up to market to yarn hobbyists except he actually partakes in the craft too and knew what he was doing. they really didn’t do any research
I like using his products.
Its wild because Grandma's on blogs is how i learned to crochet/knit Not only that but they passed down that craft over generations. Yeah of course a 65 year old woman who had been knitting since she was 13 is going to know better than a finance bro 🙄
Exactly!!
They somehow started at rock bottom and just kept digging💀
Also calling grannies posting knitting content “unsophisticated” literally just punches down on generations, literally millennia, of fibre arts and artists. Like how else do you think skills get passed on if not from the older generation to the new one? We may have more modern ways to disseminate that information but learning from an elder is not unsophisticated in and of itself.
I will never have anything more than disdain for “tech bros” who come in from outside of a community and try to “better” it with consumerism. This has so many parallels to ephemeral ink and that crashed and burned hard. They understand absolutely nothing about these communities and the generations of “traditions” built into them yet think they can just saunter in and conquer them with “tech” it’d be a bit bleak if it wasn’t so hilariously laughable, I’m glad to see these communities stand strong.
On a side note, it’s fairly obvious they knew nothing abut fishing either, have you ever talked to a hobby fisherman? I have, trust me there’s just as many tools, tricks, gadgets, superstition, etc as there is in the fibre arts community so it does feel less like they thought there was nowhere to go in it (their excuse) and more that they thought the knitting community would be easier to infiltrate and cow.
Let's just say it, it's because they have no respect for women and even less respect for older women.
Yep, my nephew had to build a shed and buy a bigger car to accommodate all his fishing gear. Not all fishermen sit and stare at a bobber...although that is my favorite way to fish. But I’m old.
The 'Chinese' models vs. 'Western models' bit is wild, because when they say "ha we can use Western models that the algorithm likes and China can't", they're implying they won't use Asian American/Asian Canadian/etc. models. Because there's almost no way the algorithm they're discussing and venerating can differentiate between Chinese born models and literally any other person of East Asian descent. So their "Western models" likely won't include any Asian people at all since they're worried the algorithm won't like it. (And honestly likely they'll veer away from any models with heavier bodies/darker skin since the algorithm is biased there as well).
Both my grandmothers died when I was small. Thus I’ve relied on my mother and ”internet grandmas” to learn to knit, crochet, sew, cross stitch and embroider.
I’m really happy there are people who have the extra time and diligence to share their knowledge for free on internet.
Age is irrelevant to a point, but if someone has been doing a given craft for decades and decades and possibly attended who knows how many meetups and courses and so on… That’s a very respectable amount of passion and experience. If they are great at teaching, that’s just excellent. : D
I even like to watch woodworking and glassworking etc. videos although I don’t have the tools or space to do emulate most of those things. It’s just so interesting to see a skillful person using their craftmanship to create something beautiful.
I thought “secret sauce” was good, but then, when I heard about this not being his first “FOUR WAY” into the crafting sphere .... I damn near lost my mind 😳
Oh and “chasm”?? 🤔
Hmmm, it’s almost as if this guy has never been corrected in his entire adult life, is surrounded by people that always agree with him or are to afraid not to 🙄.
Wow, what a guy.
All crafters gotta do a four-way when they officially join the community, it's just a rite of passage
His pronunciation of chasm was jarring! I rewound the video as I thought I misheard.
Came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed!
and the spelling of "unravelling"
Totally came down to the comments to remark on the hard CH pronunciation of "chasm." I mean, I there was a time when it was easier to have a little grace toward people who learned a word from reading it, but also, there are sites you can find that have native English speakers saying words (and for other languages, too), which makes it easier to learn how to say a word you haven't heard spoken before.
"We're married to a chinese lady though hahah" has the same energy as my grandpa complaining that he couldn't get into the KKK because he married a Mexican, in the same breath that he said he couldn't be racist because he married a Mexican.
🙃 oh gosh...
my grandfather was a character forsure@@rc4443
OMG poor Grandma 😢
yeahhhh. my grandpa was.... something else.@@thepixinator2592
"Technophobic luddite geriatric" is my new bio
Hmmm. I wonder if there is a domain with that name?
That's my FAVORITE! Should be a band...
I’m so getting two tech bros to embroider it on a shirt for me.
@@DoeMeNeek😂
@@lisagaines1813😂
Would like to say, as a preschool teacher, that most of these dude's rules are actually on our walls
Was watching this when my SO walked by. They went : ‘Their hair is coordinated with their shirt’ And now I CAN’T UNSEE it 😂 Great video by the way! :)
huh. I don't get it. People who spend a lot of money on knitting don't buy things from people who don't knit and don't respect the community.
Well yes, I think that's why they keep saying their market is just 'Beginners' because from what I've seen, once you start, you kind of get into the swing of what people recommend and how most people in the community do things. So I suppose just that first initial sale they're banking on. Obviously still super crappy & I'd love for some good knitter's to be running that domain & business. It just makes me so frustrated.
Well, I guess it's one of the things the community can do- flood forums and post all over the place about these geniuses so beginners looking for advice will see our opinions before they go to the site! @@gillypiexo
I learned how to knit from an elderly Scandinavian woman in her tiny knitting shop. It was a class of me and three other women. I was the youngest one in the room, at only 18 years old. She was so warm and excited to pass on her craft!
They're apparently not very in the loop on the tech end too. A LOT of software engineers are into fiber arts, especially knitting and crochet. One company I worked at half our team would be crocheting while we mobbed just to keep our hands busy and keep focused until it was our turn with the keyboard.
Back in some dark days in my career, I worked for a big-name business strategy consulting firm as a graphic designer. One of the most highly-paid consultants would put together presentations that I'd add graphics to, and the presentations tended to give bog-basic information surrounded by a lot of marketing-speak, and he'd put in his own notes (regularly), "Hold for applause."
I think these guys just kept holding for applause and got mad that it never happened.
I love (read: hate) when business bros barge into a space they know nothing about and think they’ll „revolutionise“ it for their own personal gain. The Dunning-Kruger of it all.
I don't even know where to begin with this one. First, great info and video. I'm one of those grandmas (tho we like the name 'nana' in this house). I've got a PhD in a tech-related subject. Many of my fellow researchers were also PhD grandmas with degrees in computer science, health informatics, business, etc. I started on this path when the commercial internet, e-commerce, etc. were gaining popularity, but there were many before me. I say this because some must think that older people are hatched and have no life experience. There are plenty of grandmas that know computer graphics, ecommerce, marketing, business, etc. Nothing grinds my gears more than some ageist, sexist, no-nothing thinking he's going to help me out. I'm not a knitter, but I will stand with them.
Ditto. Started my web design business in 1998. No PhD, but decades of experience in coding, networking, building computers, graphic design, database design, data analysis, Instructional design, and technical writing for medical, education, and automotive, and the training of most of those. (My ADHD Dx at 60 made my life make perfect sense. I'm now into designing knitting (and some sewing) patterns. Finishing the e-commerce site now prior to launch.
@@EsmereldaPea ooh I always like learning things from other ADHD folks!! it seems like it makes it more likely it'll be laid out in a way that clicks with my brain 😅
@@EsmereldaPea your comment is so aspirational to me as someone in their early career who's passionate about both technology & creative arts. I've worked as a pharmacist and later transitioned to various types of software/data/devops engineer, and I'd love to continue exploring different career avenues through my life. Do you have any advice on how you were able to enter so many different fields? Thank you :)
@@rewindrecolour65 - I doubt my exact career path would be something to aspire to. It was more of a floundering from profession to profession. Luckily, I'd always had an aptitude for writing and I found when technology came into the picture, I had an aptitude for that as well. My neurodiversity made it extremely difficult to thrive in a corporate environment, but then when I started my own business, my ADHD made it difficult to be organized.
At this point, I'm trying to maximize my neurodiversity by playing to my strengths and hoping that I can find a sweet spot of balance to be able to make a decent living and be happy doing it.
If I were to give any advice it would be to get to know yourself with the help of a good therapist if need be, heal your trauma as early as you can, never lose your curiosity (or FIND it again and treasure it), and surround yourself with people who celebrate and support you. That's not just career advice, but general life advice as well. Good luck to you!
Well said!!! Same here. almost a grandma. Lots of grandmas are techies.
Between learning to knit from a sweet knowledgeable grandma or a random middle aged man who was never held knitting needles. The answer is very clear.
Grandma will be the one who is excited for me finishing my first project and give me like a hard candy as a reward and it would be the most wholesome moment id remember for the rest of my life!
Knitting with Suzanne Bryan and Roxanne Richardson are THE people to go to if you need knitting instructions. They have tutorials for EVERYTHING!
OMG! they are amazing! I have learned so much from them and they deserve a lot of praise!
Truly - I worship at the altar of Roxanne!! She is such a gift to the community.
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And I don't even think Roxanne is a grandma! The two of them are the titans of the online knitting community. I have learned SO MUCH from them.
Rox Rocks!!!!
BRUH, I'm finishing my degree to be an audio engineer and the second the tutorial clip was played I LOST it lmaooo Most people will choose to deal with bad video quality over bad audio quality every timeee OOF
25:00-25:26 I don't ever really comment a whole lot here on UA-cam, but I also wanted to point out that these men did a WHOLE ENTIRE PODCAST explaining what they were going to do with their business. Then, they decided that the backlash was just speculation of their motives within the community. I really don't understand how they EVER thought that gaslighting BS was going to fool anyone! (especially the part about mansplaining!)
I commented on their long tail cast on video because she said it didn't matter if you held the short end in front or back. I was pretty salty about it and wasn't terribly nice. I said it DOES matter and that they need to stop misleading beginners. She came back and challenged me, saying they did a bunch of research and couldn't find any reason. (There are two important reasons) she asked ME why. I snarkily said if she didn't know she shouldn't be teaching. I'm afraid she got in the line of fire at my frustration with Those Two Guys. I feel kinda bad about it, but my expertise isn't free to make them money!
omg I saw your comment on there!
darn, I just went to go see your comment and it looks like they've got comments off
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Wait I wanna learn, why do you need to watch the end you keep it on. I do knit, but I make very basic things and knit with me follow-along videos. Wasn't sure of the purpose off the top of my end
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Anyone else never knitted or crocheted or “fiber arted” but somehow is heavily invested in Emma’s fiber-tea?
I don't knit or crochet but I am always down to hear a long-ass story about who was a bitch on the knitting messageboard or whose yarn is hideously overpriced.
I'm over here going "oh my god he did NOT" about people I'd never heard of an hour ago because tea that has nothing to do with anything I love is my favorite tea 😂
Me lol
Me!
"tink"
A similar thing happened in makeup. A team of engineers “revolutionized” animal hair makeup brushes because the foolish ladies didn’t realize their makeup brushes could be better. Temptalia’s takedown of Rephr is epic.
I’ll have to check that out later
Rephr brushes are as good as the free animal hair brushes that Estee Lauder used to give out in their Christmas Gift with purchase box in the 90s.
That’s so funny, do they not know how much money is invested in cosmetics annually into R&D and marketing? It’s a billion dollar industry and involves a lot of scientists, engineers and other professionals
It had been years since I thought about these dorks and their nonsense. I remember knitting a pattern with a dumpster fire in homage to the amount of ridiculousness on display. This was such a fun trip down memory lane, I checked out your other videos- and I think I'll subscribe.
Can't wait to sit down with my sweater's unfinished sleeves and sort that mess out with a whole bunch of new stuff to watch!
BTW, those aluminum gripless crochet hooks will absolutely wreck your hands if you use them for a decent length of time. There's a reason they can sell 8 of them for $10. If you want my two cents, I'd figure out what project you want to crochet first and then buy that size hook with a grip, since you can buy pretty much any size individually at Joann/Michael's.
Chasm, foray and niche: all words these guys say but incorrectly lol
CHAZ-IM
and then have the audacity to say the old ladies who teach how to knit are the unsophisticated ones
Don't forget 'un(W)ravelling' !
Been in the knitting sphere since early 2000s, Rav since 2009, like clockwork every few years some men will come in, mansplain knitting to us, and act like they just discovered this “business” and hobby. Fun fact, I first encountered the word “mansplain” in the Rav forums, when one such man started writing long essays about the history of knitting in response to criticism, as if we, knitters, didn’t already know this!
I remember him! 😂
Oh I remember that dude. Something about blue yarn being warmer than other colors and bullet proof ganseys??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This happens in ALL female led hobby communities. Time and again
extremely appropriate how one of them has a last name only a couple letters away from being "jackass"
How many times did he hear a “jackoff this ____” joke in high school I wonder lol
As a serial entrepreneur and chaos crafter who often designs her own websites, I found it incredibly ironic that when I went to their website now the load time, popups, and ads slowed it down so that it was functionally unusable. Makes me assume they know about as much about building quality websites as they do the knitting community.
I watch your channels while working on my crochet products and I had to put it down and rewind some parts to really appreciate what you were saying.
Also, super excited that you quoted my friend Aiobhe Ni. I had to rewind again to enjoy that part and reflect that famous people know me.
Love your content, I have watched them all - while working on my latest projects.
I just sat down to crochet and I found this video had dropped less than a minute ago... it's gonna be a good day tater.
Oml just started watching and they really picked the first WordPress they saw with minimal edits, I'm surprised there's no lorem ipsum in sight 😂
PLSS
I've been working in the marketing and customer service industry for about 7 years now, and oh my God the number one thing you DO NOT DO when you have angry customers/consumers is to respond to their anger with "You're just overreacting! And clearly you don't understand!" How have these guys ever made money or run a successful company when the way they communicate and handle PR is so terrible?!
they probably made seven figures by starting with eight, it would be the traditional way to do it
I doubt it. These just raised money for people. Requires no talent or skill. Just knowing people with money and people who need money.
Just discovered this channel and it is so good! You found the sweet spot between gossip and investigative reporting that I did not know I needed. The detail and commitment are just so impressive, as an ND knitter I salute you 🖖
I was taking a sip of my drink when you read the part of them describing backlash as a bullying halo, and I literally did an unintended spit take, lol. My goodness, they should've just kept silent. 💜
It’s always hilariously sad to me when people try to propose ways to capitalize the hell out of the artist space without regard to the culture of the community they want to exploit and how that’s going to go over with them
The same thing happened years back with a few fanfiction projects which were tech bros trying to exploit creativity. These bozos value ideas but not work. Creativity needs both.
@@llassahllassah3983 OMG, I remember them. And the backslash from fandom that was utterly pissed at those guys trying to make money from fans' work.
@@llassahllassah3983 Yeah, I've seen similar things recently with people just posting AI writing and wanting sites like AO3 to censor works
That knitting tutorial sounds like me trying to meet the word count for an essay. “It really is the first stitch to learn!” is absolutely something I’d throw at the end of a paragraph just so I can be done
i actually wish comic sans was used unironically more often as it's one of the dyslexia friendly fonts 😔 it's easy on the eyes and i tend to use it whenever i write anything longer in word. i wrote so many academic papers using comic sans and had a post it on my laptop reminding me to switch the font to times new roman before i submit the file 😭
This is hilarious!!!! I have been specialising in beginner's knitting for 10 years - so they are so not the first. It is a real skill to show people how to do it - you really do have to know the technical stuff! I have spent 50 years learning (still not a grandma) - and this is such a diverse, helping, inclusive community. Yes - I am not really good at my videos and techie stuff - but I am totally solid in my knitting techniques.
My dad taught me to knit. He learned to knit socks in the army after the second world war.
If knitting UA-cam grandmas are anything like sewing/machine embroidery UA-cam grandmas that have saved my butt on several occasions, some of them ARE making sleek, highly produced content. The internet would fall apart without these ladies.
Mmm. I can think of a grandmother who's had a blog for over 20 years. The Yarnharlot. Definitely a small player in the knitting world.
That is an epic name
27:52 "These are the dangers of building in public" then don't shove your whole set of cheeks out there and rub it all over the internet! If you don't want people to judge you while your website and business is still a work in progress...then idk don't make a blog and a podcats about making a website!
Honestly this is a great and timely video for someone who is a beginner at knitting - now I can be sure to steer clear of anything these guys are involved in while looking for resources
“not my first four way” 💀💀💀💀