Nice. I like how P12 and P15 were on a heritage passenger service. After they were no longer rostered on passenger trains, they return 5 years later for a reason…mainly to supplement A66 whilst it is under maintenance in Newport.
Beaut video 👍 good to see them and still in nice condition, good on V-Line for that, the P class have had a long and varying life when you consider they started life as Flat top T-classes back in the 1950’s albeit in modified form
@@Schony747 Nope i drove for Metro but i went blind with cataracts, cant have a 1eyed train driver lol, its a safety critical lvl 3 i think so both eyes, not sure about tram drivers. Funny i had just got my 30yr cert when they fired me.
The H class carried extra weight for hump work, has this extra weight been removed, I read they were as heavy as the C class. Every now and then between hump shunting the H class pull a passenger train. Before Sunbury was electrified I travelled in wooden cars to Sunbury pulled by two H class locos, it was a hot day and the train ran at a snails pace. I overheard someone at Sunbury saying why was the journey so slow with TWO locomotives. I tried to get the 5:15 pm from Spencer street and missed it due to slow tram running up Bourke St. So I caught the 5:45 pm. I later learned that the 5:15 was a bus and our slow train beat the bus to Sunbury that left half an hour earlier. They were in VR blue and gold but were so grimy they were almost black.
@@darylcheshire1618 I remember seeing the H's at work at the Tottenham Yard when I was a boy going past on the suburbans, also remember "loose" or "gravity" shunting taking place at Tottenham, all a "no-no" these days!
Not sure how up-to-date the website is, but VicSig shows no P locos have been scrapped, but it shows P12 and P15 as "stored" which the7 obviously aren't. Great vision yet again Brenden.
Good video. But @ 0:48. Nothing demonstrates more mismanagement and lack of priorities than grass growing between tracks and it’s the most major station in the city. If that’s not maintained what else isn’t.
It is not running in Push-Pull because a V/Line Push-Pull needs to use H car sets which have a Multiple Unit (MU) cable running through them to make that work. The only other way to do it would be to have another driver in the rear loco to operate the controls by radio from the lead loco.
The first part of the video is push pull with as you point out the H cars which was the norm right up until the end. I'm assuming the 2 P class which were double headed and not push pull were used here as one probably would have struggled on its own.
They were thru cabled, however they couldnt be run in push pull using N Classes, As something to do regards the N Classes Dynomanic Braking, if appplied when operated push pull in passenger service, it would cause the power operated doors on the carriages to disengage & become unlocked & this open while in transit…
@Schony747 - "The train ran as a double headed P class diesel locomotive consist" Is it possible that the old carriages that made up some of the train did not have remote control lines and that the locomotives therefore worked in doubles? I don't assume that the remote controls were already communicating via radio between the locomotives and the original driving cab cars?
The train in this case would have worked as a double as one P class would not have handled it. The P class would have also helped provide power for the cars ad well I'm assuming.
A few years before the final day, some Ps were sometimes alone, on a 4 or 5 car H set. So of course. However, when top & tailing, it was usually, but not always, short hood leading. It was an interesting time. Single P, 5 cars, on expresses, even, skipping Ardeer, Deer Park (as speed painfully slowly rises, but @ least it sound like a locomotive), Rockbank, by which the level & a touch downhill, finally got us up to close to 100 km/H. & this was a time that the first V/Lo's were around. This didn't remain for long, soon more V/Lo's were up & about & more N & A's took over these commuter runs, with only 2 double P 6 car H sets in use. Unlike the A class, which don't sound go like a B. Ps are basically a 3rd series T on the longer 1st series frame, with a small, self driven electricity altinator, for the cars. It was the longer frame that made V/Line rebuild these locos.
Nice.
I like how P12 and P15 were on a heritage passenger service.
After they were no longer rostered on passenger trains, they return 5 years later for a reason…mainly to supplement A66 whilst it is under maintenance in Newport.
Pretty much. But it's nice to see them out anyway.
Nice to see these locomotives still in use
Yes nice to see them still getting a run. A real surprise but great.
Beaut video 👍 good to see them and still in nice condition, good on V-Line for that, the P class have had a long and varying life when you consider they started life as Flat top T-classes back in the 1950’s albeit in modified form
It's good to see them getting some use other than the usual track testing.
So thats what it was, i saw them in Seymour station and thought it was just doing a shunt! I got a pic of p15
Warrnambool, Shepparton, Southern Cross. Great to see them out.
@@Schony747 cheers. It was.
awesome to see them get some use in 2022. great how Vline cares about their rolling stock
It helps when the Ps don't run very often so they can stay in pristine condition 😀😀
Obviously looking at the grass growing between the tracks at a major station platform, it doesn’t extend (or the station operator) beyond that.
A pity V/Line runs such an awful service at times. Looking after P Classes should not be their priority.
Awww nice when I first started driving trains we learnt these and Y classes in case of emergency shunts
Are you still driving? I've been driving trams 19 years and still enjoy it
@@Schony747 Nope i drove for Metro but i went blind with cataracts, cant have a 1eyed train driver lol, its a safety critical lvl 3 i think so both eyes, not sure about tram drivers. Funny i had just got my 30yr cert when they fired me.
Good work, mate.
Thanks mate
Nice one Brenden, the little "P" and the "H" class are my favourites...
the H class is pretty much the same as the T class
I must say the two locos coupled up like that, particularly with the short end leading did look really good!
The H class carried extra weight for hump work, has this extra weight been removed, I read they were as heavy as the C class.
Every now and then between hump shunting the H class pull a passenger train. Before Sunbury was electrified I travelled in wooden cars to Sunbury pulled by two H class locos, it was a hot day and the train ran at a snails pace. I overheard someone at Sunbury saying why was the journey so slow with TWO locomotives.
I tried to get the 5:15 pm from Spencer street and missed it due to slow tram running up Bourke St. So I caught the 5:45 pm. I later learned that the 5:15 was a bus and our slow train beat the bus to Sunbury that left half an hour earlier.
They were in VR blue and gold but were so grimy they were almost black.
@@darylcheshire1618 I remember seeing the H's at work at the Tottenham Yard when I was a boy going past on the suburbans, also remember "loose" or "gravity" shunting taking place at Tottenham, all a "no-no" these days!
Good one, thanks.
Thsnks mate
Awesome video mate, keep up the excellent filming
Thankyou mate
Not sure how up-to-date the website is, but VicSig shows no P locos have been scrapped, but it shows P12 and P15 as "stored" which the7 obviously aren't. Great vision yet again Brenden.
Been wondering what happened to the PN P class. Got a feeling one was scrapped at Dynon.
P20 is stored at Newport Workshops.
@@maxthum Thanks.
That is probably correct. The locos get stored but are available for use.
awesome
Thsnks 😀😀
Good video. But @ 0:48. Nothing demonstrates more mismanagement and lack of priorities than grass growing between tracks and it’s the most major station in the city. If that’s not maintained what else isn’t.
That was 2014 and from memory lots has changed and the grass has been removed as well. Thanks for having a look.
Nice. Wish they ran more often
Yep. I had a good look at them recently as they are at The Newport Workshops Open Day. They look clean and really good.
@@Schony747 nice. I went there an hour ago
It is not running in Push-Pull because a V/Line Push-Pull needs to use H car sets which have a Multiple Unit (MU) cable running through them to make that work. The only other way to do it would be to have another driver in the rear loco to operate the controls by radio from the lead loco.
The first part of the video is push pull with as you point out the H cars which was the norm right up until the end. I'm assuming the 2 P class which were double headed and not push pull were used here as one probably would have struggled on its own.
Wonder why the P class sounds exactly the same to our New Zealand DBR train? Same motors?
Pretty close. Both are EMD. P Clasa use the EMD 8 variety and the NZ stuff uses EMD G8
The howl of those roots blown V8 engines!
I'm sure they were due for an outing to get the cobwebs out!
I wondered about the Ps on each end of a H set. There would have to be a cable through the passenger cars so the Ps could operate as multiple unit?
Yes there would have be some cabling. I'm assuming each 3 car set would have its own setup.
They were thru cabled, however they couldnt be run in push pull using N Classes, As something to do regards the N Classes Dynomanic Braking, if appplied when operated push pull in passenger service, it would cause the power operated doors on the carriages to disengage & become unlocked & this open while in transit…
@Schony747 - "The train ran as a double headed P class diesel locomotive consist"
Is it possible that the old carriages that made up some of the train did not have remote control lines and that the locomotives therefore worked in doubles?
I don't assume that the remote controls were already communicating via radio between the locomotives and the original driving cab cars?
The train in this case would have worked as a double as one P class would not have handled it. The P class would have also helped provide power for the cars ad well I'm assuming.
The heritage stock won’t use HEP and push pull mode.
It's possible but you would need crews on each end communicating to each other I suppose.
@@Schony747 There wouldn’t be much advanage to it, might as well join them up.
are these narrow gauged trains?
Broad Gauge trains. Narrow gauge exists in Western Australia, Queensland and South Australia if that section us still operating.
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Thanks man
Could the P locos be coupled at the long end so that the head is always a short end? 🤔
I don't see why not. The T class was rostered that way and the locos are pretty similar.
A few years before the final day, some Ps were sometimes alone, on a 4 or 5 car H set. So of course.
However, when top & tailing, it was usually, but not always, short hood leading.
It was an interesting time. Single P, 5 cars, on expresses, even, skipping Ardeer, Deer Park (as speed painfully slowly rises, but @ least it sound like a locomotive), Rockbank, by which the level & a touch downhill, finally got us up to close to 100 km/H.
& this was a time that the first V/Lo's were around.
This didn't remain for long, soon more V/Lo's were up & about & more N & A's took over these commuter runs, with only 2 double P 6 car H sets in use.
Unlike the A class, which don't sound go like a B. Ps are basically a 3rd series T on the longer 1st series frame, with a small, self driven electricity altinator, for the cars.
It was the longer frame that made V/Line rebuild these locos.
Why does that loco have the white disc on the front?
Which loco and what part? I didn't notice it.
@@Schony747 As P11 is coming in to the platform there is a round white disc on the front. From 0:48 to 1:16
End of train marker, it could be clipped down when not in use, but the clip has worked it’s way loose & the disk has flipped up in the wind…
I hope V/line introduces Hydrogen powered locomotives.
Highly unlikely for a while when the government still has more Vlocity units on order