No, them doing the RIGHT thing about it, that would be miraculous. They usually know how to detect a problem, but it's the way they "fix" that problem that's always completely fucked up & tragic. The fact that he acknowledged this feedback won't result in any positive change imo. We've seen them doing this with WoD, Legion and now BfA. It just keeps getting worse and worse. I don't expect much from this, sadly.
That's the problem. Instead of reverting the change that causes a problem - they prefer to stick to it, claim that the change is absolutely fine, and then make some other change as a crutch, that often doesn't really solve the problem but introduces new ones. Their problem is that they for some reason hate admitting they were wrong and taking things out of the game.
@@Aisaaax This, so much this. I've said this so many times. With Blizzard it's so very often 1 step forward, 3 steps backwards. They announce that they have heard the concerns, then they implement/modify some system in a way which kind of fixes the problem but misses the main point of the feedback and also causes multiple other separate negative side effects. So we're almost always left with the same problem we had from the start, only slightly varied, and also a slew of completely new problems.
Give us our 20+ skills, glyphs, reforging, different sets of armour and proper flexibility back! So we actually feel like we are in control of how we play
the old death knight battle res turning your teammates into ghouls made them weak and useless. Yes, it may have been neat given their signature DK raising death, but Unholy already gives you raising a group of ghouls.
@@misterNicarus Just turn it around and make it useful give it some decent CC ability and 1 or 2 large damage CDs. If your group has no suitable CR available but you're in a burn down phase of a boss. DK ress him and get still a little help. It's exactly as the video said, it's a very situational button to be useful. But having it there made the difference between people that are well versed in their classes and people just playing a class.
Sadly they seem to like modular stuff. We probably won´t get real glyphs back or impactful shaman only totems and titanforging is going nowhere either! Blizz can "save" it in terms of making it as good as legion or even a bit better but they will never make the game more unified again. It´s pretty much a game balanced on a needle to upset the least amount of people with the consequence of even more demand from 10 million angles. With every side only fighting for their needs which makes it even harder to make the game "better".
In Ion's speech, he even said that bringing stances back for warriors with ability restrictions would be "too jarring". In other words, when looking past the corporate PC bullcrap, what's left is that he still thinks increasing the difficulty of class designs would make it "too hard" for the players, but that he's fine with just adding one or two abilities back with very situational use and doesn't make the player feel weaker by not using it properly since he said that stuff about alter time. All Ion said was that Blizzard is still fine with catering to the most extreme casuals who subsequently never learn how to play well, by making them feel more empowered even though they don't do much. He just phrased it all to make it seem like they don't ignore the core players, while at the same time they do exactly that.
somehow i started playing wow in legion nighthold and the complexity introduced with legendaries, artifacts, etc made me fell in love with the game. To sustain my enjoyment, when I realised that bfa fury warrior is braindead and stale, i switched to ww monk just to make things more fun. I'm glad I switched to ww monk and I believe each class should have the depth that ww monks have currently.
Implying that the bar wasn't already low. "Class difference" is just an excuse to complain. Why shouldn't Blizzard pursue new subscribers? That's the entire point of their business, don't lie to yourself in claiming otherwise.
Exorcism was always the one that really made me feel like a Paladin. Also the Templar’s Verdict animation used to look better?? For humans at least lol
@Jack Potter I disagree. In my opinion the height of fun as for game mechanics and playing different classes and specs was towards the end of "Wrath of the Lichking" (I agree with the video, that MoP was good too in that regard, but not as good as WotLK). All classes felt very distinct and specs did as well. When I got tired of playing my Priest healer I switched to my Paladin and when that got boring I played on my Druid healer. All three healers had very different healing philosophies. The priest being a Swiss army knife with a tool for every situation, the fun being to decide which tools to use when. The Paladin being "limited" to mostly single target heals that were very fast though, it was a very fast play style that was fun because of the speed. And the Druid HOTs forced you to plan ahead in fights (single target heals burned your mana way to fast and were only a last resort) and basically heal strategically and preemptively which meant, that you had to know some fights before being able to heal them efficiently. I don't want to add another long chapter, but Tanks were the same, Warrior, Pala and Druid tanks played VERY differently and had a distinct playing style. The same was true for DDs with very distinct classes and even specs in one class played very differently. Some having priority lists and no real rotation. Some having a complex rotation. Others a combination of both. And then the were class specs with a rather simple rotation, but lots of procs and cooldowns to manage. My favorite classes to play then were the endgame Frost Mage with it's very fast cast time and the proc and cooldown management and the Retribution Paladin because of the extremely fast play style based on a priority list. Nonetheless the classes were quite well balanced at that time. If it weren't for LFG and the removal of Elite Quests and quest lines in that phase (which in the end killed the community aspect of the game), late WotLK would be my favorite "Classic Expansion" I'd like to play again. If they would keep those in a Classic release I'd prefer late Burning Crusade for the more challenging content, despite class and spec balancing, as well as class mechanics not being as good as in late WotLK.
i want my totems back. Windfury, Mana Spring, Strength of Earth, Flametongue, all of them. I want to give 4 unique buffs to my party that I can manage and drop down depending on what the situation is.
Honestly I miss searing totem the most. It was like a little buddy. It could put out some damage for low cost even when you are stunned or something too.
@@thecheshirecat8948 The old talent system as well as skill ranks and passives pretty much ensured you always got something from levleing up. Now however you don't really get the same feeling.
I miss HAVING FUN while leveling up instead of COMPLETING A CHORE and THROWING AWAY MY OLD LEGENDARY GEAR. Seriously, leveling up in BfA felt like I was completing a quota. It felt like a job I had to do to get to the real fun. It ESPECIALLY hurt when I had to shelve my old legendaries from Legion. Why couldn't they have just added another tier of talents? based off the artifact powers? hello?
Be honest, do you really think they "get it" now? They aren't going to go back to a loose design which puts the task of figuring out how to do more than 50% of your max performance on theorycrafters, because that is very punishing for the casual player, so there's still going to be a lot of handholding and role identity. You will never again be more of a Mage than you are a DPS. Never more a Paladin than a Tank. And in any case, none of this is going to bring anyone back to the game. No one is reading an announcement like this and going "man, I'm gonna come back to play since they might bring back Eyes of the Beast". Sure, I miss that ability and it had (*very* niche) uses sometimes but the opportunity to mix and match spells or play with old ones is not what I'm missing in my WoW experience. The thing that would bring me back is whatever thing would bring back my guild, and since that's never happening, it really doesn't matter what they do.
I'd love for Death Knights to have their Blood, Unholy and Frost Presences return. And for Unholy DK Mastery to also increase Pet's Damage as well... But... One thing at a time..
That might be, yet I seem to never find any other game I want to sink not-even-close time into. Heck i've played so long, I'd say any other game played that long, would be 'boring' after so long.
@@lmaolmfao7590 Compared to how it once was, it absolutely is. There are some good QoL improvements towards the UI. But all the other stuff they implemented just made the game worse.
@@TheZnifler That's because most people stick with what they know, also if you invested 1000's of hours into something it's very hard to throw it away now isn't it?
I'd prefer the option to play with them over having them back baseline, especially if it costs a GCD to swap between them. But yeah, I loved running Enhanced Seals back in WoD. Could have been better, ofc, but it was good.
@@Shadiiko You have that right, I have a friend right now who is afraid they will destroy class balance if they add to much stuff. Look at BFA, yea we had lots of unique specs at launch and frankly I think Legion and BFA have been some of the more effective patches as to what specs actually work. Meaning you actually pretty much got to chose what you want more so than in the past and not be a meme spec or ineffective by comparison. Blizzard may have went to far but no one can deny that there is more spec viability now than ever before. It will be a fine line to walk honestly but given the blizzard dev team is larger now than it have has been maybe they can do it. I know its hard to try and have faith at this point so I'm just going with change is good frankly.
Might be hugely unpopular opinion but wotlk classes were the best. Old talent trees , which were better and large enough, compared to vanilla / tbc. Skill and itemisation choice mattered more than rock/paper/scissors class and spec mechanics of modern wow . Classes had enough class abilities intertwined with spec ones to cover both needs. Resources were still not unlimited , which added a good layer of skill. I wish modern wow would be a combo of wotlk char mechanics , with legion world and story building and vanilla/tbc difficulty that forced players to band together.
Remember totems? Pruning doesn't even begin to describe what's been done to this game. The field is full of stumps, these trees are not "pruned". What I would want to do is play a warrior again. Right now my class is armswarrior, I used to play a warrior. You can't play a warrior in WoW.
remember ranged SV hunters? Blizzard just stole my main spec... then stole totems from my alt and now they talk about going too far... I dont believe them a they will not see my money until I will see promissed changes...
well the weapon did give an ablity and perks and stuff that was going to go away by design of legion. although i guess they could have just rolled everything into base line buff gained at 110
Classic gave you a bunch of toys and allowed you to figure out how YOU want to use them. Current gives you a select set of tools and a manual of how THEY want you to use them.
This is what all corporations in this IT-related industry end up doing, and it is so boringly predictable that it doesn't even make for good storytelling. Fear boosts the mind over the heart, breeds control freaks fighting for world domination.
Give us our 20+ skills, glyphs, reforging, different sets of armour and proper flexibility back! So we actually feel like we are in control of how we play
*Blizzard:* "You think you want classes that fulfill their fantasy role, but you don't" *Also Blizzard:* "Wow, ok...... so maybe you guys were right..... " *Playerbase:* **/facepalm**
Yeah. Stan Lee's statement about "Give them what they want, not what they ask for."Only works if you're listening enough to actually know what they want.
Nah. More like Blizzard: We'll just make this easier... bolt this on... cut that off... oh, don't need that now... *KABOOM* whoops. They're basically goblin engineers.
maybe on the damage meters, but the gameplay of them sucked, the reduced importance of itemization sucked. damaging abilities added to the game for the sake of button pressing = yawn.
I miss warlock tanks. That was such a meme. The most I loved about it though was being able to speak demonic and communicate between the factions with other warlocks.
I miss in BC being a Panzerkin (tanky balance Druid) could hold aggro with the best of em, and with enough resiliance gear could be uncrittable...just had to deal with crushing blows.
@ॐ गणेश ॐ it will be OP when comes to esport. They need to balance class for esport which imo it spoils the class identity. Every class can do everything = perfect balance = lost of identity. They have to either pick instanced esport or open world rpg
@@helvensquall I am not sure I follow, I cant see the problem with something like a rogue tank, just make it a nimble tank that base it survivle on dodge and parry. They dont have to lose anything by being able to do more, but it does mean that blizzard needs to put a lot of work into it
Congrats Blizzard. It isn't like fans and beta testers haven't been telling you the changes to the game were bad since they were in beta. I'm excited for Blizzard to almost seem to be listening, but that's probably only because they lost so many millions of dollars from people quitting the game. Who would have thought voting with your wallet actually worked? /s
Are you excited for Classic yet? We have seen so much contemporary Blizzard incompetence, it will be interesting to experience some past Blizzard incompetence for a change. Classic is yet another player ghetto because Blizzard cannot make a well-rounded product. They can only reflect the times. And the times suck.
the lvl up talents do not bring any kind of deeper gameplay... if you do not understand the theorem of a cookie cutter build, that pls do not talk about talent trees. as long as you have anything that will enhance your character, there will be a BiS list, bis talent and best rotation.
This is irrelevant now because they already said they are doing a level squish. So it sounds like they may go back to old talent systems because of squish
Even with there being a cookie cutter build it will at least make leveling feel less like a chore, and there will be instances endgame for certain boss fights that people will be able to switch talents and that will still add a bit of depth. If you don’t understand how telling someone not to talk and voice potential ideas is a really shitty idea on a personal level then maybe you are the one with the problem lol
@@Golikol369258 And you don´t understand how they actually worked before blizz added restrictions on them. In classic my druid has 20 "free-talents" you can choose for whatever you need and that´s the min/max build (moonglow/NS). There are cookie cutter single talents you need to have but the rest is personal choice. His actual argument was both systems help each others weaknesses. Modern talents are dogshit for leveling. Old talent are dogshit for boss to boss adjustments.
H&SAnimations WoW was never created to be a canvas/platform for an MLG gaming tournament. PvP was an afterthought and it breaks immersion for you to learn an entirely new set of skills when initiating in a PvP engagement. Classes should have niche rolls, it encourages teamwork. Making every class equal to another ruins both PvE and PvP.
Don't worry that rock in your shoe we won't remove it but we made it a little smaller. We realize we messed up and we are working on making the game "better" please buy our next expansion it will be even better than the last expansion (the rock will still be there and annoying af). Sound familiar? Yeah why people keep giving them money for the shit they are shoveling out I don't understand.
@@Spinexus What the fuck are you saying, MoP is to this day considered a golden era of class design for WoW. They went a bit too far but actually Teliesin is right in what he has said - what they've done was needed cause for some specs people needed to get a degree in their rotations to play well. Not to mention that in Vanilla some specs were using 1 button only and it is praised for complicated design...
when you go to far into the forest, the fastest way out is to keep going forward. because as you know after you go past half way you start to get closer to the other side.~
this was Wraith but I miss being a DK and tanking with a frost/unholy spec back when it was viable & blood spec was still the way to Tank. the only time I ever enjoyed tanking. just soaking up damage while casting and spreading debuffs on mobs and raising a dead player as a ghoul..
Neither 2h enhance nor shockadins were ever _good._ IMO, the right thing to do would have been to build in talents that made the alternate builds viable, rather than taking a subpar (but different and, arguably, interesting) spec and torpedoing it. And with the modern system players won't have the opportunity to help invent new playstyles using the tools we're given. And yes, it still pisses me off that Frost DKs were forced to dual wield on the altar of Artifact Weapons. I hated the animations and I hate being a caster in plate instead of a sword-slinger with some dark magic on the side.
Most of the time I used it, it was for nothing.. either another healer survived (somehow) or the DI-ed person ended up in a respawned pack. Still, it was a lot of fun, but the CD sucked. I'd love DI now, just with 10 minutes CD. I still remember having it compeletely on the left on the topmost bar, so that I can click it faster :)
Ah totalbiscuit...I have two thoughts about him.. 1) If you can't think of something nice to say, don't say anything at all 2) don't speak ill of the dead. P
"We hear you and ALWAYS listen to feedback... occasionally. We heard classes are shit now and we will do our darndest to fix that. .... Having said that.... We wont"
THAT'S more like it. Blizzard has been doing this nerf/buff/mess around junk since Vanilla. They won't change. They also are too slow to admit design changes wrecked the game, too. MLG was more important to the investors to BET on, than making a game that should've now had 24,000,000 players.
This, definitely bring Totems back. Totems were so iconic to the shaman class. Remember totem twisting. 😁Also do not restrict totems from one spec to another. Why is it that an Enhancement can’t use a fire elemental totem, no reason other than they just didn’t want them to have it.
Paladins need Auras back. I feel like a less mobile Warrior with a really strong yellow Heroic Throw. Having Hammer of Wrath back as an ability as well as Excorcism would make the class feel complete.
Auras and our unique abilities. My main is a Holy Paladin. A Holy Paladin isn't a Ret that uses a 2H weapon to fight at the feet of bosses. They can run in and get some wacks in for mana (loved that mechanic in WotLK); they can Holy Shock and use the hammer FROM A DISTANCE, but they have to be careful of not dying because they're not invincible. Hardened because of a plate and shield to block damage, but they're healers not fighters. That's WHAT balanced Holy paladins despite they have plate, they can do many emergency things but can't sustain it for long. Tank dies and it's the last 30 seconds of a fight a Holy can pop all their CDs to "tank" the boss. But that's using every failsafe to do so. If they can't down the boss in about 30 seconds, they die like anyone else. Holys have SOME mitigation but not tank level mitigation deal (they are aligned to tanks because of how they work and play, than Rets). Blizzard keeps trying to align Holy as Ret but that's not how they play nor why they're RANGED-Healers.
Simple fix, go back to MoP everything, especially with Hunter/Shaman/Priest/Warlock. Never had more fun in a game than playing those classes in the 2nd half of the expac.
Which is pretty pathetic. It's kinda like listening to a lying, scummy politician. I don't give a crap what sounds Ion is making, I want the game to actually get better.
Pretty much all classes lost their flavor because some dipshits had trouble with it. I lost my totems in cata and effectively in wrath.. still miss those annoying but insanely cool buffs.
@@petruandreescu9915 blizzard HATED stance dancing. And because it was game play they intended, they killed it. Wow is a sandbox...but it's blizzzarss damn sandbox and we're only allowed to play the way they intended, apparently.
probably bc they saw the drop off in the amount of DHS bc legion good kit only one or two times in it were they actually top tier but people lives them then the next expact they tried to to there stun into a slow took away there burst move took some mobility took away the dot on the talent for glavine took away half of rank healing took away the tanks magic resist and so on like they just fucking ripped them apart
Yet DH are like the only melee DPS being taken to high end raids. Mostly because they buff magic damage on things they hit. Which means the warlocks, and shadow priests that get to raid are doing 10% more damage.
I just wish they balanced a tad better. Sucks that ranged is so op right now that only one melee class gets to do high end raiding, and that is just because of a buff that class gives rather then dps numbers.
also i want class trainers back. i want a mentor to teach me the ways of say, a hunter. i don't want to just miraciolously get a lightbulb over my head and say '' hey ! now i know how to barrage 9000 arrows in 4 seconds!''
As a DK main for 3 expansions now, what I miss the most is all the utility they've stripped from us, we have literally nothing left beside our basic Death Grip, which is pretty much the only reason we're brought to anything anymore, we have nothing else and our only other value is our damage (which right now isn't great, to say the least, but that's a different issue entirely). We used to have AoE grip on every spec, Anti-Magic Zone, Icy Touch dispelling magic buffs. Frost had an AoE stun in Winter is Coming, Anti-Magic Shell was much stronger, especially in RP gain, it barely gives any now and wether you get a good soak from it now or not is barely relevant. We don't have any of that anymore, we're just a blank DPS Class with a grip that's useful in *some* fights (Mekkatorque) and that's it, otherwise we have nothing to bring to a raid, and that feels really bad to me. Sure an extra button or two would be welcomed but more than anything I'd like a reason to fill a raid spot, something to bring into the raid that will always make me useful no matter what, but I don't feel like we have that anymore.
Sean Beckett but I also stopped playing half way through the panda patch so if they became a top class I wouldn’t know I gave up that wack life style when I had kids and grew a life.
THE primary exhibit for a player segment they absolutely Destroyed without thinking whatsoever about the implication of treating any segment of player that way. I was having a great time in so many ways I didn't expect. Then, blizzard became timid and unable to pick themselves up and just TRY AGAIN every time they got it so completely right, such as pandaria warlock design
Late MoP Warlock (all three specs) was quite possibly the best iteration of the class ever. So is the case for quite a few other classes and specs as well.
MoP version of alter time was THE SHIT. 2x proc trinkets -> get hot streak -> PoM -> alter time -> shoot like 8 or 10 pyros -> combustion. Felt so good
Blizzard should just roll everything back to WOTLK and toss every expac since out and put out a new expac following WOTLK / BC / Classic styles. But DO get rid of all the dailies nonsense that just forces you to play their way if you want want to feel like you've fallen behind.
I want, as an Enhance Shaman, to be good. I'm not asking to be some insane, automatically top of the charts, damage that has no equal. I just want to be able to queue for dungeons and not get instantly declined or removed when they find out I'm not ele.
global cd is here to stay, it's been in the game since vanilla, and at least through wotlk, and it will stay :) maybe the abilities will be exempt of the gcd, but that's it
Too late. Too too late. This isn't like bringing back "Old Coke" and replacing "New Coke." Blizzard player base have been attempting to communicate to Blizzard for years about the changes being made... and Blizzard has been making excuses for the poor changes being made.
When do you see that in classic? Watching Preachs classic dungeon runs I think I seen it in one group he had, the rest he just got aggro on everything created a death ball and just payed attention. Maybe back then it wasnt that you had to use CC because of game design but because tanks sucked back then.
Elem and Enhancement Shaman: Bring back actual totems Enhancement Shaman: Bring back 2 hand enhancement My real pipe dream: Earth Warden Shaman tank spec. All of the abilities are already there in Resto, Enh, and Elem, they just need a bit of rework and a threat modifier. Maelstrom based, Earthquake is AoE threat and Earth Shock is single target threat and they both feed into charges of Earth Shield for mitigation and passive healing. Storm Strike gives Windfury, which is a dodge buff instead of haste. Maelstrom is spent on Earth Shocks or EQs to generate more Earth Shield charges or Healing Wave for spikey damage mitigation.
@@Swordart2022 the def/utilities are flat out better bother stronger and more useful, the rotation and abilities are almost the same with fewer ss needed in retail the pace is sped up but its pretty much the same spec, its hard to be bad at wow honestly the fact anyone could say someone else can be bad at the game is impressive to me with how dumbed down its gotten combat was the most simple spec in vanilla has the fewest abilities and never de ranks skills.
@@ekuipment72 But the gun destroys the class concept. A rogue is not a pirate. Also the buff roll thingy is in my eyes not fun gameplay. If i use a finisher i want to know my results. (bar on crit or not ofc) Anyway the guns made me lose my love of my class. Oh well not like it matters anyway i stopped and i don't plan on going back anytime soon.
@@gerbo8018 the sounds killed it for me, the swish swish swish is awful. the gun kind of fulfills combats rogue fantasy where it didn't before. rogue: a dishonest or unprincipled man. the roll the bones would have been better were you able to 'load the dice' properly and get the buff or buffs you want. not saying retail is better at all but combats awfully similar to vanilla rogue.
100% AGREE, just.... pls do away with inquisition. It wasn'T fun in MoP. I think it existed in Cata but the fact that it cost holy power (i think) in MoP made it annoying. Well my memory is shite just I agree but no inquisition or bring Cata version of it. ;)
@@arnoldchand4144 Cool. Mechanical skill is for RPG's like Dark Souls, which are fantastic games, but an MMORPG needs to have a bigger focus on group play than single player mechanical skill play.
They made Diablo 3 into an online game and WOW into an MMORPG that lowers team play requirement, and ALSO they made HOTS into a MOBA that the best players in the team dont get advantage for themself for playing good but have to take the loss after shitty teammates make mistakes... Somebody tell me please what drug Blizzard's been taking all these years???
@@Bumbum_Inspector it will/won't lmfao. The fanbase will be burnt out. I give em a generous 2 months. actually its funny because BFA isnt much of a bar anyways, an easy hurdle for Vanilla lmfao.
Now hopefully they acknowledge how much they've messed up loot. Too much RNG and you don't earn purples like you use to. Now they have to patch in enchanting abilities (in legion) to convert purple mats to blue because blues are harder to find than purples! Make epics epic again.
Blizz can say what they want but actions speak better then words. I'm sure if blizzard change the game into a more positive version the people that unsubbed will be back, me included
but old talent trees are so static... its not like u can change things up like now theres always 1 best specc...i like the new ones and if they gonna bring it back then only passiv abilitys to chose from... and the new one only talents
@@janl5879 There were so many nuances in the old trees that made them great. Sure, bad players had one spec, but good players changed talents all the time. I'd absolutely LOVE to see old talent trees and stats. I want to worry about hit caps and expertise, and avoidance caps in dungeons to be uncrittable/uncrushable. I want to figure out how to raise my crit cap by pushing my hit rating past the cap. Theorycrafting was its own community and it made the game better.
@@jonathanwells9648 YES THIS! I miss the old talent trees and customizing your characters. As a former Surv hunter, I can say I miss all the neat things you could do. People thought they were crap, till you had one come in and triple trap all over the place.
@@jonathanwells9648 WHAT There was always a best specc done u couldn change things up ?lul they didnt had m+ or smth all classes anyway had 1 ability rota there was not much to change hunter used a 1 button macro mage/warlock fireball rogue no comment so go on private servers for example tbc U not gonna see a different specc then the best played fact its just chaging for pvp/pve and even then its not changing much
Ion Hazzikostas: "We won't be pruning classes anymore, and we'll work on adding new content and skills to classes in the future." Blizzcon 2019: "Tuskarrs of the Black Empire will feature a lowered level cap of 60, which will lower the required talent points and potential skills. We believe this will help streamline and balance classes going forward."
I was always given so much shit for saying MOP is my favorite expansion... and it's because I have never had more fun playing my class than I did in MOP... and when that WOD pre-patch occurred I checked out. It was a huge nerf, so much utility and fun was stripped away, and it has never returned. I've tried WOD, Legion, and BFA, and because my class was so thoroughly butchered I couldn't get into the games.
Brownie points for you, I quit during the pre-patch. I remember those of us that saw the writing on the wall were a very small minority in a sea of WOD hype. I tried WOD for a month during its last patch, Legion for a few days and never touched BFA (despite having bought it). Not going to hold my breath about class design, not sure I'll ever go back to WOW at this point but it was fun while it lasted.
I personally would say that World quests are better than the daily quest system. Plus, reputation is a fun grind in the game imo. A game like wow needs a grind, which is not necessary a lot of fun in iself, but very rewarding and therefore fun
@@viktorbukhave3619 fun? Doing the same quests over and over again, completing chapters of every Zuldazar region for the IMMENSE grind for the Zandalari troll race unlock can be considered "fun"? Are u high or what?
Agreed. Things like Angelic Feather (wonky mechanic, but gave some mobility), Void Tendrils, and Spectral Guise really helped Priests to feel great. I don't know why they didn't keep Void Tendrils and Spectral Guise for Shadow... there was something about both that made them unique from other spells and it really fit the theme.
i miss tbc shaman, stacking crit and feeling improvement > lava burst is off cooldown better use it literally just garbage filling up the action bar that i can't interact with.
@@ekuipment72 , I have to admit though, the single target rotation in TBC was just spamming lightning bolts. Sure, you could throw in chain lightning but you went oom, even if you waited for clearcasting procs. I admit pressing lava burst on CD isn't that interactive, but at least it was another button to press and meant you actually used one of your shocks. It felt good when they got instant procs in MoP since you had to respond to that, and with elemental blast it felt like an actual rotation. Also have to admit lightning bolt while moving in Cata (glyph) and MoP felt really nice. Unpopular opinion, I never liked the spell elemental blast... it looked more like a mage spell than a shaman one. IMO they should have just went with a wind or earth or ice spell. Mechanically, it also wasn't that interesting... you just press it on CD, like lava burst, but at least that used to do a satisfying amount of burst damage and forces a crit (you used to at least care about clearcasting procs as well). I also never cared for shocks sharing CDs and I like the rework of Earth Shock (although now it is a lightning spell instead of an earth spell wtf?). Flame and Frost Shock sharing CDs was the worst though... you need to keep up Flame Shock to make Lava Burst worth casting (your top priority in most expansions) so are limited in PvP where you want to slow something or when you need to move in PvE. Mess up and your DPS goes in the toilet, especially bad for a spec where delaying Lava Burst casts is the worst thing you can do to harm your DPS. Surprisingly I didn't care for the no CD version of Flame and Frost Shock in Legion since it changed the rotation to one where you dot them all up like a spriest, warlock, or certain versions of balance druids. One of the few things to track (and something that makes Ele unique) was the CD so you could spread Flame Shocks around asap. I'd just rather those two have separate CDs. Or maybe have Frost Shock spammable but have the slow reduced, stacking up to 3x but reducing its damage each stack. If they insist on no lightning bolt while moving, that would at least allow for movement to not completely screw you over, and in PvP getting stacks up and not letting them fall off would be important against a single target. My biggest critique of Elemental over all the years is how completely inflexible the rotation is in just about any incarnation. A really well designed spec is like MoP Destro, where you can pool a resource and spend it within a certain window of time... it allows flexibility and decision making in a way a whack a mole CD rotation can't compete with.
Nah Destro needs Incinerate, been that way since WotLK. Fits into the Fel Fire theme. I think a better example would all 3 specs needing at least 2 dots. Destro and Demo don't feel like dot specs anymore, and dots are what Warlocks are all about.
EdgedShadow destro can keep incinerate as their spender, but chaos bolt or conflag have to go or be moved to pvp or talents. Bring back shadowburn for all. All specs should have coa, aff gets corr and ua, destro gets immo and destro doom. A return of coe, cos abd cow would be nice.
Hated when they changed to the choose one of 3 fixed specs for your talents. Used to love hybrid builds and making a character that was a little bit of everything to suit my play style.
I think a better design in current WoW would be to have game mechanics that make hybrids use their full toolkit. Make druids shapeshift, encourage offhealing from other classes and just get us being more mindful of our groups. One of the reasons I miss Vanilla druid is being able to pickup an add as a bear or healing the group on the harder phases. I was not stuck in cat or bear.
This directly the problem with Legion's Artifact Weapon. People directly provided feedback transitioning from the Artifact Weapon to BfA was going to be a big problem.
Warriors need to go the way of Druids and have a fourth spec: Gladiator. It was the epitome of my Warrior playtime. Dumped it after it was stolen from us.
I am playing wow since beginning in and out, like most people I hype up with each expansion, play 3-4 months and I quit and wait for a new expansion. It is like that since the end of WOTLK. I played non stop for years before that. The thing that I hate most with the class design is talent trees. Like choosing a subclass and stick to it. I really miss the old talent tree system where you can freely give points to other talents. I remember that on one of the expansions I was playing a totally unique Lock build, a hybrid of the demon, aff, and the desto. It was deep enough to give my dots additional damage on aff, around the mid-level on the demon to let me use demonic sacrifice and rest to desto. I was sacrificing my succubus to give fire spell additional crit rate etc and man people were freaking out with my build a desto lock with %65 crit rate on raids. It was so much fun. Right now, every fire mage or add lock has the same talents, etc. They are exactly the same. Nothing personal, nothing unique. You can not personalize your character to find a unique way of playing it. I only played BFA for 20 days, after Blizz admit that they launched BFA unfinished, with classes like the elemental shaman and shadow priest were not finished and clunky.
I was talking about this last night. As a BM hunter that is what I really need to push over the top. I have sustained damage but feel like I lack and real burst. Also...FIX FREAKIN PET PATHING.
tbc resto/ele and enhance were all stupid fun, 2hd windfury one shots, ele Chain lightning one shots, and being a geared resto shaman drop earth shield on the tank and move to the next pack. also always top in effective healing stupid fucking paladins and their over healing the tank. also caster or melee totems for ur grp.
Fuck yeah preach it brotha! Shaman Fo Life lol that and I miss my cast on move lighting bolt even if it's just 1 spell for god sakes shaman should have atleast just that...lighting bolt on the move considering how they screwed us over these past xpacs and it'll make ele shaman viable in raids and pvp compared to most of the other classes geez
it blew my mind when i returned to wow in legion to see that shamans didnt really have totems anymore. how could they possible think it was a good idea to remove part of the class' core identity?! such terrible nonsense whatever it was
Class spec diversity is one of the reasons I abandoned everything else and chose a DK for this expansion. Absolutely love the differences in each spec, and its overall uniqueness in the game.
Class design in classic and even MOP was built around the total game experience not just raiding. Not only that it was built around the Holy Trinity of Tank, Heal and Damage. Meaning that Tanks could tank and absorb damage but they had limited amounts of health regen which is a healing ability. Similarly DPS could do massive DPS but they couldn't absorb a lot of damage or regenerate health that much. But over time, especially after the introduction of the Death Knight they moved away from that model and you got the situation where over time you got the absurd situation where Tanks or Death Knights could almost do dungeons alone since they had so much DPS, damage absorbtion and health regen. Going back to the Holy Trinity would be a good shift again. Because now almost every class has some combination of DPS, Tank and Heal abilities all in one either via passives, talents, armor, artifact traits, essences and so forth. And as a result the world isn't a threat like it used to be, tanking groups of mobs all at once is the norm and managing resources and watching damage taken really has less meaning. Speaking of which, resource usage and damage taken used to be a more important aspect of gameplay whereas now it is almost not existent. I'd say they have gone too far in making classes so generic and homogenous even with the very streamlined specs, that going back and reverting or revamping things would be a waste of effort. Most players would just get tired eventually of the constant gutting and redesigning of classes and gameplay. That is not something that helps with retention long term. And the more cynical side of me says they did it on purpose. And yes vanilla did have rotations, it was heavily built around resource usage vs output. You didn't spam your big abilities unless you wanted to wind up OOM or whatever.
One major problem that I have with current WoW is that all mages are interchangeable. Like, each mage spec is radically different, and each talent changes your playstyle, and that's good. However, going from one build to another is basically free and basically instant, your choice is MEANINGLESS because you can just change back and forth at will. Make a cost to change talents, make a cost to change specs, and suddenly building your character matters again.
The only change that Blizzard can do to "save" modern wow, is to get rid of all the leadership for the WoW development team and get people in who actually *care* about the damn game.
It wasn’t even that great, I miss tree form, they took it away for what seems like eternity and then finally brought it back. This was a while ago I’m sure you remember.
Literally every class feels so bland. That is why I stopped playing. I loved Legion. I had a main of every class, except Paladin. I tried to play this expansion, but I just get so bored.... everyone is the same and there's only like three buttons to press
Just consider this is the same basic problem complex as the US government. You got the front people (Trump) and then you got the shareholders (swamp). The front people can say their piece and that's it. They have little decision power.
Blizzard realizing they f’d up, that’s impressive. Them doing something about it, that would be miraculous.
No, them doing the RIGHT thing about it, that would be miraculous. They usually know how to detect a problem, but it's the way they "fix" that problem that's always completely fucked up & tragic. The fact that he acknowledged this feedback won't result in any positive change imo. We've seen them doing this with WoD, Legion and now BfA. It just keeps getting worse and worse. I don't expect much from this, sadly.
That's the problem. Instead of reverting the change that causes a problem - they prefer to stick to it, claim that the change is absolutely fine, and then make some other change as a crutch, that often doesn't really solve the problem but introduces new ones.
Their problem is that they for some reason hate admitting they were wrong and taking things out of the game.
@@Aisaaax This, so much this. I've said this so many times. With Blizzard it's so very often 1 step forward, 3 steps backwards. They announce that they have heard the concerns, then they implement/modify some system in a way which kind of fixes the problem but misses the main point of the feedback and also causes multiple other separate negative side effects. So we're almost always left with the same problem we had from the start, only slightly varied, and also a slew of completely new problems.
They won't or at least not in the near future.
Give us our 20+ skills, glyphs, reforging, different sets of armour and proper flexibility back!
So we actually feel like we are in control of how we play
Gimme the old death knight battle res back. Lemme turn people into ghouls.
That was fun and cool.
the old death knight battle res turning your teammates into ghouls made them weak and useless. Yes, it may have been neat given their signature DK raising death, but Unholy already gives you raising a group of ghouls.
@@misterNicarus Yeah
But it was fun
It was especially fun to do it to the jackasses of the raid.
@@misterNicarus They could just bring it back as a Polymorph effect that makes you count as Undead, so you can get Deathcoil heals
What a worthless thing to ask for back lol
@@misterNicarus Just turn it around and make it useful give it some decent CC ability and 1 or 2 large damage CDs. If your group has no suitable CR available but you're in a burn down phase of a boss. DK ress him and get still a little help.
It's exactly as the video said, it's a very situational button to be useful. But having it there made the difference between people that are well versed in their classes and people just playing a class.
This is what happens when you take your existing playerbase for granted by lowering the bar in pursuit of new subscribers.
Disney should pay attention, the way they're treating Star Wars is following the same path
Sadly they seem to like modular stuff. We probably won´t get real glyphs back or impactful shaman only totems and titanforging is going nowhere either!
Blizz can "save" it in terms of making it as good as legion or even a bit better but they will never make the game more unified again. It´s pretty much a game balanced on a needle to upset the least amount of people with the consequence of even more demand from 10 million angles. With every side only fighting for their needs which makes it even harder to make the game "better".
In Ion's speech, he even said that bringing stances back for warriors with ability restrictions would be "too jarring". In other words, when looking past the corporate PC bullcrap, what's left is that he still thinks increasing the difficulty of class designs would make it "too hard" for the players, but that he's fine with just adding one or two abilities back with very situational use and doesn't make the player feel weaker by not using it properly since he said that stuff about alter time. All Ion said was that Blizzard is still fine with catering to the most extreme casuals who subsequently never learn how to play well, by making them feel more empowered even though they don't do much. He just phrased it all to make it seem like they don't ignore the core players, while at the same time they do exactly that.
somehow i started playing wow in legion nighthold and the complexity introduced with legendaries, artifacts, etc made me fell in love with the game. To sustain my enjoyment, when I realised that bfa fury warrior is braindead and stale, i switched to ww monk just to make things more fun. I'm glad I switched to ww monk and I believe each class should have the depth that ww monks have currently.
Implying that the bar wasn't already low. "Class difference" is just an excuse to complain. Why shouldn't Blizzard pursue new subscribers? That's the entire point of their business, don't lie to yourself in claiming otherwise.
Any Ret paladins miss Exorcism? Cause I do.
And an proper hammer of wrath, the current one is garbage
Oh man that move was so cool, especially when used on demons and undead. Also remember when hammer of wrath was baseline for ret palys
Yes omg I miss exorcism so bad... Coolest looking and sounding ability in the game
ret pally was dank af in mop
Exorcism was always the one that really made me feel like a Paladin. Also the Templar’s Verdict animation used to look better?? For humans at least lol
current wow only has 4 classes: tank, heal, ranged dps and melee dps
you forgot 2 different types of ranged dps, stand still ranged dps, and hunter... -_-
@@richardbrown2405 hahahaha
@@richardbrown2405 BM Hunters are just melee with a really large hitbox :)
@Jack Potter I disagree. In my opinion the height of fun as for game mechanics and playing different classes and specs was towards the end of "Wrath of the Lichking" (I agree with the video, that MoP was good too in that regard, but not as good as WotLK). All classes felt very distinct and specs did as well. When I got tired of playing my Priest healer I switched to my Paladin and when that got boring I played on my Druid healer.
All three healers had very different healing philosophies. The priest being a Swiss army knife with a tool for every situation, the fun being to decide which tools to use when. The Paladin being "limited" to mostly single target heals that were very fast though, it was a very fast play style that was fun because of the speed. And the Druid HOTs forced you to plan ahead in fights (single target heals burned your mana way to fast and were only a last resort) and basically heal strategically and preemptively which meant, that you had to know some fights before being able to heal them efficiently.
I don't want to add another long chapter, but Tanks were the same, Warrior, Pala and Druid tanks played VERY differently and had a distinct playing style. The same was true for DDs with very distinct classes and even specs in one class played very differently. Some having priority lists and no real rotation. Some having a complex rotation. Others a combination of both. And then the were class specs with a rather simple rotation, but lots of procs and cooldowns to manage.
My favorite classes to play then were the endgame Frost Mage with it's very fast cast time and the proc and cooldown management and the Retribution Paladin because of the extremely fast play style based on a priority list.
Nonetheless the classes were quite well balanced at that time. If it weren't for LFG and the removal of Elite Quests and quest lines in that phase (which in the end killed the community aspect of the game), late WotLK would be my favorite "Classic Expansion" I'd like to play again. If they would keep those in a Classic release I'd prefer late Burning Crusade for the more challenging content, despite class and spec balancing, as well as class mechanics not being as good as in late WotLK.
i want my totems back. Windfury, Mana Spring, Strength of Earth, Flametongue, all of them.
I want to give 4 unique buffs to my party that I can manage and drop down depending on what the situation is.
Yea...more than anything else, the talent redesign was possibly my least favorite.
Honestly I miss searing totem the most. It was like a little buddy. It could put out some damage for low cost even when you are stunned or something too.
@JustHereToComment. wdym bring them back? theyre in the game lol
Its ok guys. I have my own totems, my twitch minions.
Hmm August, classic re-release 💁🏽♂️
I miss actually earning a new ability when I level up.
wait, you don't now? lol
@@idyllsend6481 not like you used to, it was every 2-5 levels
@@thecheshirecat8948 The old talent system as well as skill ranks and passives pretty much ensured you always got something from levleing up. Now however you don't really get the same feeling.
I miss HAVING FUN while leveling up instead of COMPLETING A CHORE and THROWING AWAY MY OLD LEGENDARY GEAR.
Seriously, leveling up in BfA felt like I was completing a quota. It felt like a job I had to do to get to the real fun. It ESPECIALLY hurt when I had to shelve my old legendaries from Legion. Why couldn't they have just added another tier of talents? based off the artifact powers? hello?
I agree, it does feel very unrewarding when leveling now
Only took 3 or 4 expansions of unsubscribed surveys for them to get it.
and thats probably because their subcribers have hit rock bottom, when people will re-sub same shiet will happen again.There is no blizzard anymore
this game needs a total overhaul and we are still talking about buttons. ok...
Be honest, do you really think they "get it" now? They aren't going to go back to a loose design which puts the task of figuring out how to do more than 50% of your max performance on theorycrafters, because that is very punishing for the casual player, so there's still going to be a lot of handholding and role identity. You will never again be more of a Mage than you are a DPS. Never more a Paladin than a Tank. And in any case, none of this is going to bring anyone back to the game. No one is reading an announcement like this and going "man, I'm gonna come back to play since they might bring back Eyes of the Beast". Sure, I miss that ability and it had (*very* niche) uses sometimes but the opportunity to mix and match spells or play with old ones is not what I'm missing in my WoW experience. The thing that would bring me back is whatever thing would bring back my guild, and since that's never happening, it really doesn't matter what they do.
@@DrunkenSailors1 Hasn't hit rockbottom doe.
yeah theres no hope for you lot, all you do is hate smh be grateful for once
I'd love for Death Knights to have their Blood, Unholy and Frost Presences return. And for Unholy DK Mastery to also increase Pet's Damage as well... But... One thing at a time..
*cough cough 2h Frost cough cough* (or a 4th spec that makes the build viable)
Couldn't agree more, BFA came and my DK became so shit it felt like a mage could beat me to death in 2 hits with his auto attk 😕
Nahh Liam, just literally AXE the idea that Frost is 1h only.
@@peppersnake Brother yes
I want my thicc boi 2-Handed obliterates T.T
They gutted the heart of what made WoW what it was. They took all the rpg elements out and left behind just a shitty action game.
It's not shitty doe.
That might be, yet I seem to never find any other game I want to sink not-even-close time into. Heck i've played so long, I'd say any other game played that long, would be 'boring' after so long.
Yet I still play tho, and many others. I guess the game still works ;)
@@lmaolmfao7590 Compared to how it once was, it absolutely is. There are some good QoL improvements towards the UI. But all the other stuff they implemented just made the game worse.
@@TheZnifler That's because most people stick with what they know, also if you invested 1000's of hours into something it's very hard to throw it away now isn't it?
Paladin seals. I want Paladin Seals again.
Second this to no end! I miss my pally seals!
and auras
I'd prefer the option to play with them over having them back baseline, especially if it costs a GCD to swap between them. But yeah, I loved running Enhanced Seals back in WoD. Could have been better, ofc, but it was good.
@@jensjensen4836 OMG yes I miss my auras!
I loved paladin seals. Although, most paladins were too dumb to use them correctly.
Is he talking slowly now so the blizzards devs could understand him?
He doesn't want to 'overwhelm' them.
Probably because Taliesin sounds like a hyped-up, emotional wreck on his last few videos. They’re so annoying that I can’t watch them.
i now can perfectly listen at it with 2x speed. Perfect!
1.3x sounds normal
Yeah, he act like their GCD changes to full understand what hes talkin about xD
Buttons that blizz shouldn't have taken away: All artifact abilities and eyes of the beast
100% agree. Some of those artefact abilities should have stayed, if not all.
I don’t agree
Getting on my Boomie and not having moon moon baseline hurts my soul.
@@Shadiiko You have that right, I have a friend right now who is afraid they will destroy class balance if they add to much stuff. Look at BFA, yea we had lots of unique specs at launch and frankly I think Legion and BFA have been some of the more effective patches as to what specs actually work. Meaning you actually pretty much got to chose what you want more so than in the past and not be a meme spec or ineffective by comparison. Blizzard may have went to far but no one can deny that there is more spec viability now than ever before. It will be a fine line to walk honestly but given the blizzard dev team is larger now than it have has been maybe they can do it. I know its hard to try and have faith at this point so I'm just going with change is good frankly.
Artifact weapons were one of the worst ideas Blizzard ever had.
Not suddenly forgetting how to use a 2H weapon when I switch from Blood/Unholy to Frost as a DK.
or suddenly not know how to sling spells as a shaman, I miss the 2h battlemage esk style sham used to have
Might be hugely unpopular opinion but wotlk classes were the best. Old talent trees , which were better and large enough, compared to vanilla / tbc. Skill and itemisation choice mattered more than rock/paper/scissors class and spec mechanics of modern wow . Classes had enough class abilities intertwined with spec ones to cover both needs. Resources were still not unlimited , which added a good layer of skill. I wish modern wow would be a combo of wotlk char mechanics , with legion world and story building and vanilla/tbc difficulty that forced players to band together.
Remember totems?
Pruning doesn't even begin to describe what's been done to this game. The field is full of stumps, these trees are not "pruned".
What I would want to do is play a warrior again. Right now my class is armswarrior, I used to play a warrior. You can't play a warrior in WoW.
Spastic Tuesdays : remember faction identity? Dps, tanks, healers. Game is so homogenized now it’s boring. Stopped playing long time ago.
remember ranged SV hunters?
Blizzard just stole my main spec... then stole totems from my alt and now they talk about going too far... I dont believe them a they will not see my money until I will see promissed changes...
Ion said they went too far on pruning back in Legion.
They pruned more in BfA.
I'll believe it when I see it.
well the weapon did give an ablity and perks and stuff that was going to go away by design of legion. although i guess they could have just rolled everything into base line buff gained at 110
their beyond pruning, and now we're officially at raisins
@@Kittsuera Even artifacts were poor compensation for what most classes lost in WoD and Legion. Then BfA pruned our compensation.
Hear hear.
Blizzard will occasionally say it and then just fuckup in the next patch/expansion.
It's their way of applying a ban-aide to a severed leg! Gotta try and convince us that they really learned, this time.
Goblin parasite infection. It shall be lethal. And slow.
Classic gave you a bunch of toys and allowed you to figure out how YOU want to use them.
Current gives you a select set of tools and a manual of how THEY want you to use them.
just like choosing your overwatch character. they made the rpg into Sports gameplay and NO ONE wanted that
This is what all corporations in this IT-related industry end up doing, and it is so boringly predictable that it doesn't even make for good storytelling. Fear boosts the mind over the heart, breeds control freaks fighting for world domination.
Finally!! Someone understands, this can be applied to everything in retail they give you a path and you have to follow it
Give us our 20+ skills, glyphs, reforging, different sets of armour and proper flexibility back!
So we actually feel like we are in control of how we play
And the old talent system!
Glyphs sucked
*Blizzard:* "You think you want classes that fulfill their fantasy role, but you don't"
*Also Blizzard:* "Wow, ok...... so maybe you guys were right..... "
*Playerbase:* **/facepalm**
This comment is so accurate, we gave our Fantasy Role Playing attributes and talents for what? homogenization? Was being all equal really worth it?
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Yeah. Stan Lee's statement about "Give them what they want, not what they ask for."Only works if you're listening enough to actually know what they want.
Nah. More like
Blizzard: We'll just make this easier... bolt this on... cut that off... oh, don't need that now... *KABOOM* whoops.
They're basically goblin engineers.
Go to wow Forums you can see why they lost faith to the community. 99% of whiney bitches
Wotlk was the golden age of talents and hybrid specs
Raynare golden age of wow, after that it started going downhill.
@Boiled Egg As long as they have a BIIIG time period between Ulduar and Trial of the Lootfest.
maybe on the damage meters, but the gameplay of them sucked, the reduced importance of itemization sucked. damaging abilities added to the game for the sake of button pressing = yawn.
Meh, not really. TBC was better for that.
Yea that's like the last time blizzard wasn't under Activision right? Fucking sucks to see how a parent company can change your baby
I miss warlock tanks. That was such a meme. The most I loved about it though was being able to speak demonic and communicate between the factions with other warlocks.
Me too bro, me too
Dark Apotheosis ftw.
I miss in BC being a Panzerkin (tanky balance Druid) could hold aggro with the best of em, and with enough resiliance gear could be uncrittable...just had to deal with crushing blows.
@ॐ गणेश ॐ it will be OP when comes to esport. They need to balance class for esport which imo it spoils the class identity. Every class can do everything = perfect balance = lost of identity. They have to either pick instanced esport or open world rpg
@@helvensquall I am not sure I follow, I cant see the problem with something like a rogue tank, just make it a nimble tank that base it survivle on dodge and parry.
They dont have to lose anything by being able to do more, but it does mean that blizzard needs to put a lot of work into it
Congratulations Blizzard, you have discovered the obvious.
Congrats, you’re not brilliant or edgy.
@@BrandonWestfall Congrats, you're a fanboy of a shit game :D
@@rinoamenna he loves it with all his shitty heart, in its current state
Congrats Blizzard. It isn't like fans and beta testers haven't been telling you the changes to the game were bad since they were in beta. I'm excited for Blizzard to almost seem to be listening, but that's probably only because they lost so many millions of dollars from people quitting the game. Who would have thought voting with your wallet actually worked? /s
Are you excited for Classic yet? We have seen so much contemporary Blizzard incompetence, it will be interesting to experience some past Blizzard incompetence for a change.
Classic is yet another player ghetto because Blizzard cannot make a well-rounded product. They can only reflect the times. And the times suck.
I loved when marksmanship got a damage bonus for standing still. Seemed to really fit the spec.
we need BOTH talent system, one with Key talents on fixed lvls (15-30-45-60-etc..) and with the lvlup talents
the lvl up talents do not bring any kind of deeper gameplay...
if you do not understand the theorem of a cookie cutter build, that pls do not talk about talent trees.
as long as you have anything that will enhance your character, there will be a BiS list, bis talent and best rotation.
Same with the cookie cutter builds we have now? LOL.
This is irrelevant now because they already said they are doing a level squish. So it sounds like they may go back to old talent systems because of squish
Even with there being a cookie cutter build it will at least make leveling feel less like a chore, and there will be instances endgame for certain boss fights that people will be able to switch talents and that will still add a bit of depth. If you don’t understand how telling someone not to talk and voice potential ideas is a really shitty idea on a personal level then maybe you are the one with the problem lol
@@Golikol369258 And you don´t understand how they actually worked before blizz added restrictions on them.
In classic my druid has 20 "free-talents" you can choose for whatever you need and that´s the min/max build (moonglow/NS).
There are cookie cutter single talents you need to have but the rest is personal choice.
His actual argument was both systems help each others weaknesses. Modern talents are dogshit for leveling. Old talent are dogshit for boss to boss adjustments.
Blizzard had no reason to remove Wyvern Sting from Hunters. It made PvE so much more enjoyable.
@H&SAnimations "Everybody needs to be able to do everything equally" started with arena balance
@H&SAnimations well i guess pvp is like, 1/5th of the game atm. its ass
@H&SAnimations Half?
H&SAnimations WoW was never created to be a canvas/platform for an MLG gaming tournament. PvP was an afterthought and it breaks immersion for you to learn an entirely new set of skills when initiating in a PvP engagement. Classes should have niche rolls, it encourages teamwork. Making every class equal to another ruins both PvE and PvP.
"I may have gone too far in a few places." - Blizzard
Is what they should have said in WoD or Legion already! xD
Fuck even MoP and Cata had serious retardation problems.
Don't worry that rock in your shoe we won't remove it but we made it a little smaller. We realize we messed up and we are working on making the game "better" please buy our next expansion it will be even better than the last expansion (the rock will still be there and annoying af). Sound familiar? Yeah why people keep giving them money for the shit they are shoveling out I don't understand.
@@Spinexus What the fuck are you saying, MoP is to this day considered a golden era of class design for WoW. They went a bit too far but actually Teliesin is right in what he has said - what they've done was needed cause for some specs people needed to get a degree in their rotations to play well. Not to mention that in Vanilla some specs were using 1 button only and it is praised for complicated design...
@@Spinexus legion in a pvp perspective i understand the hate... but otherwise the expansion was awesome, its my favorite
@@Spinexus Legion was realy good not at all bad. It may have been one of the best in long time but otherwise I agree
It's almost like they're trying to hype up a new patch/expansion!
They want out of BFA ASAP just like with WoD.
We admit we went to far...
Thats why we are going farther >:)
"we fucked up, fortunately we can restart with wow classic, 20/20"
when you go to far into the forest, the fastest way out is to keep going forward. because as you know after you go past half way you start to get closer to the other side.~
More Dots!
To infinity! And BEYOND!
I miss how diverse class gameplay coulda been: ala Gladiator Stance, 2h Shamans, 2h WW Monks Shockadins ect.
Frostfire mage. Why play 1 spec when you can play two?
this was Wraith but I miss being a DK and tanking with a frost/unholy spec back when it was viable & blood spec was still the way to Tank. the only time I ever enjoyed tanking. just soaking up damage while casting and spreading debuffs on mobs and raising a dead player as a ghoul..
I thought earth biter weapon way back meant i was supposed to tank in vanilla... i miss those days.
Neither 2h enhance nor shockadins were ever _good._ IMO, the right thing to do would have been to build in talents that made the alternate builds viable, rather than taking a subpar (but different and, arguably, interesting) spec and torpedoing it. And with the modern system players won't have the opportunity to help invent new playstyles using the tools we're given.
And yes, it still pisses me off that Frost DKs were forced to dual wield on the altar of Artifact Weapons. I hated the animations and I hate being a caster in plate instead of a sword-slinger with some dark magic on the side.
Boo Bah yeah hit it on the nail.this is what I actually wanted to illustrate.the potential was there.
Divine Intervention during raid wipes. Fun times. Edit: and no repair bills
I never understood why they removed it, as a raider it was THE spell to wipe and rez everyone...
Most of the time I used it, it was for nothing.. either another healer survived (somehow) or the DI-ed person ended up in a respawned pack. Still, it was a lot of fun, but the CD sucked. I'd love DI now, just with 10 minutes CD. I still remember having it compeletely on the left on the topmost bar, so that I can click it faster :)
it makes me happy that you remember totalbiscuit
He was someone every Gamer should remember.
TehHeavy 5 trolls out of five, while I’m dancing on the mailbox. Yeah, good olden days.
remember? it was only a year ago, everyone should remember.
Lindsay Tur
They are talking about when he did more wow content which was around cata
Ah totalbiscuit...I have two thoughts about him..
1) If you can't think of something nice to say, don't say anything at all
2) don't speak ill of the dead. P
I slowly quit over the expansions because of pruning. I miss all my buttons for each and any/every class :(
"We hear you and ALWAYS listen to feedback... occasionally. We heard classes are shit now and we will do our darndest to fix that. .... Having said that....
We wont"
THAT'S more like it. Blizzard has been doing this nerf/buff/mess around junk since Vanilla. They won't change. They also are too slow to admit design changes wrecked the game, too. MLG was more important to the investors to BET on, than making a game that should've now had 24,000,000 players.
"We'll fix it in the next expansion..." Nope, definitely haven't heard that before.
Wrath was the middle gound between classic and MOP. Thats what they should go for.
Bring Symbiosis, Eyes of the Beast, and the old totems back!!
Wouldn't mind being able to run and cast lightning bolt again either with thunderstorm on a shorter CD. Tired of feeling like a squishy turret.
Symbiosis was only good for certain classes when used on them which kinda sucked but the spell was pretty damn amazing overall.
Sahid Carrasco balancing symbiosis is too much of a headache its a cool idea but in practice its not realistically workable
This, definitely bring Totems back. Totems were so iconic to the shaman class. Remember totem twisting. 😁Also do not restrict totems from one spec to another. Why is it that an Enhancement can’t use a fire elemental totem, no reason other than they just didn’t want them to have it.
I miss being able to cyclone as a priest and then fear off it
Paladins need Auras back. I feel like a less mobile Warrior with a really strong yellow Heroic Throw. Having Hammer of Wrath back as an ability as well as Excorcism would make the class feel complete.
Felaryn yessss I want my god damn paladin back not a magical warrior lol
Auras and our unique abilities. My main is a Holy Paladin. A Holy Paladin isn't a Ret that uses a 2H weapon to fight at the feet of bosses. They can run in and get some wacks in for mana (loved that mechanic in WotLK); they can Holy Shock and use the hammer FROM A DISTANCE, but they have to be careful of not dying because they're not invincible. Hardened because of a plate and shield to block damage, but they're healers not fighters. That's WHAT balanced Holy paladins despite they have plate, they can do many emergency things but can't sustain it for long. Tank dies and it's the last 30 seconds of a fight a Holy can pop all their CDs to "tank" the boss. But that's using every failsafe to do so. If they can't down the boss in about 30 seconds, they die like anyone else. Holys have SOME mitigation but not tank level mitigation deal (they are aligned to tanks because of how they work and play, than Rets). Blizzard keeps trying to align Holy as Ret but that's not how they play nor why they're RANGED-Healers.
Yesssssss just like worriors need to be able to switch specs in battle...
Simple fix, go back to MoP everything, especially with Hunter/Shaman/Priest/Warlock. Never had more fun in a game than playing those classes in the 2nd half of the expac.
TL DR from Bellular:
"I like the sounds he is making"
Which is pretty pathetic. It's kinda like listening to a lying, scummy politician. I don't give a crap what sounds Ion is making, I want the game to actually get better.
rofl should take a shot when whenever he says tat
I want ALL of my stances back as a warrior. I feel like I'm pretty much like a DK but not as valuable.
That was fun...the dance between stances to use all kind of talent
Pretty much all classes lost their flavor because some dipshits had trouble with it.
I lost my totems in cata and effectively in wrath.. still miss those annoying but insanely cool buffs.
Eyy idk I hated stance dancing shit was hella annoying
@@petruandreescu9915 blizzard HATED stance dancing. And because it was game play they intended, they killed it.
Wow is a sandbox...but it's blizzzarss damn sandbox and we're only allowed to play the way they intended, apparently.
@@petercarioscia9189 well ... They made it more linear....now, classes are broken.
Blizz closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
A few thousand horses probably yeah, but there are more horses.
@@curiousabout1 Few million horses*
Only one horse try herds of cows with golden goose. And did the remove paying to max a class yet?
@@wwbdisthename why should they? There are people who want that.
Lol, and they noticed it AFTER the demon hunter class?!?
probably bc they saw the drop off in the amount of DHS bc legion good kit only one or two times in it were they actually top tier but people lives them then the next expact they tried to to there stun into a slow took away there burst move took some mobility took away the dot on the talent for glavine took away half of rank healing took away the tanks magic resist and so on like they just fucking ripped them apart
Yet DH are like the only melee DPS being taken to high end raids. Mostly because they buff magic damage on things they hit. Which means the warlocks, and shadow priests that get to raid are doing 10% more damage.
Class design should not be strictly based on your benefit to other players.
I just wish they balanced a tad better. Sucks that ranged is so op right now that only one melee class gets to do high end raiding, and that is just because of a buff that class gives rather then dps numbers.
also i want class trainers back. i want a mentor to teach me the ways of say, a hunter. i don't want to just miraciolously get a lightbulb over my head and say '' hey ! now i know how to barrage 9000 arrows in 4 seconds!''
As a DK main for 3 expansions now, what I miss the most is all the utility they've stripped from us, we have literally nothing left beside our basic Death Grip, which is pretty much the only reason we're brought to anything anymore, we have nothing else and our only other value is our damage (which right now isn't great, to say the least, but that's a different issue entirely).
We used to have AoE grip on every spec, Anti-Magic Zone, Icy Touch dispelling magic buffs. Frost had an AoE stun in Winter is Coming, Anti-Magic Shell was much stronger, especially in RP gain, it barely gives any now and wether you get a good soak from it now or not is barely relevant. We don't have any of that anymore, we're just a blank DPS Class with a grip that's useful in *some* fights (Mekkatorque) and that's it, otherwise we have nothing to bring to a raid, and that feels really bad to me. Sure an extra button or two would be welcomed but more than anything I'd like a reason to fill a raid spot, something to bring into the raid that will always make me useful no matter what, but I don't feel like we have that anymore.
Can I get buff totems back ffs? I want to feel like a real shaman again, oh and for Elemental blast to be baseline and giving us proper talent trees.
And hunter pets having actual unique ACTIVE abilities.
Even DKs pet has hook, but naah class based on pets cant have this.
This. And give paladins their buffs back.
i miss shattering throw and destroying a hearthing paladin whos bubbled :S
Omg yes! That shit was amazing.
Such beautiful ability design and interactions have been lost far too wide across the game5
They should bring back Shattering Throw but for all 3 warrior specs and as an honor talent instead of a baseline ability or pve talent
@@devincampbell5007 I can get behind that, it was annoying as a cd thing because of the cast tine
I miss my MoP warlock so bad, I had so many useless buttons but I used them because they were fun
Warlocks and mages were scrub classes for people that couldn’t pvp like a man. Warrior or nothing.
Gregory Wright like a man? lmfao, tunneling your target like a melee mongo isn’t hard
Sean Beckett not sure I said warrior was hard or easy
Sean Beckett but I also stopped playing half way through the panda patch so if they became a top class I wouldn’t know I gave up that wack life style when I had kids and grew a life.
@@gregorywright9971 r/iamverybadass
Paladin = Seals, old Auras, older Kings and Might buffs. I haven't felt like a Paladin for a very long time.
God I miss Auras always hated that they removed them. They could have kept them and made some interesting mechanics with them for sure
As they started working of Classic WoW they remembered what WoW was about.
I honestly think that holds a lot truth to it. I mean most of these devs played Vanilla and came to the game from that time.
Give me back soul shatter and my ability to run on water with my damn dreadsteed
I miss early DemoWarlocks in MOP. The Dark Apothesis option, Harvest Life being AOE, etc. That was the most fun I'd ever had.
UVLS baby wooooooo
I leveled a lock specifically because they announced the tanking glyph. Sooooo good!
Yep. Warlocks in MoP was the best experience I have ever had in WoW
THE primary exhibit for a player segment they absolutely Destroyed without thinking whatsoever about the implication of treating any segment of player that way. I was having a great time in so many ways I didn't expect. Then, blizzard became timid and unable to pick themselves up and just TRY AGAIN every time they got it so completely right, such as pandaria warlock design
Late MoP Warlock (all three specs) was quite possibly the best iteration of the class ever. So is the case for quite a few other classes and specs as well.
MoP version of alter time was THE SHIT. 2x proc trinkets -> get hot streak -> PoM -> alter time -> shoot like 8 or 10 pyros -> combustion. Felt so good
Blizzard should just roll everything back to WOTLK and toss every expac since out and put out a new expac following WOTLK / BC / Classic styles. But DO get rid of all the dailies nonsense that just forces you to play their way if you want want to feel like you've fallen behind.
Everyone knows. You don't go "Full Blizzard"
I want, as an Enhance Shaman, to be good. I'm not asking to be some insane, automatically top of the charts, damage that has no equal. I just want to be able to queue for dungeons and not get instantly declined or removed when they find out I'm not ele.
If they give us back those active abilities, then global cd needs to be reverted too. Otherwise the change won't have that much of a value.
global cd is here to stay, it's been in the game since vanilla, and at least through wotlk, and it will stay :)
maybe the abilities will be exempt of the gcd, but that's it
Why? In vanilla everything was on GCD. Are you telling me that not everything about the vanilla classes was perfect? /s
@@idyllsend6481 I'm not talking about gcd for every single ability. Just the pre-nerf state. Thought that's obvious :)
Too late. Too too late. This isn't like bringing back "Old Coke" and replacing "New Coke." Blizzard player base have been attempting to communicate to Blizzard for years about the changes being made... and Blizzard has been making excuses for the poor changes being made.
not to late i still play the game
remember when you had to sap and trap and sheep a mob in a dungeon before makeing the pull? yea? well, when do you see that in modern wow?
When do you see that in classic? Watching Preachs classic dungeon runs I think I seen it in one group he had, the rest he just got aggro on everything created a death ball and just payed attention. Maybe back then it wasnt that you had to use CC because of game design but because tanks sucked back then.
As a warlock, I want the old Demonologic spec...
Elem and Enhancement Shaman: Bring back actual totems
Enhancement Shaman: Bring back 2 hand enhancement
My real pipe dream: Earth Warden Shaman tank spec. All of the abilities are already there in Resto, Enh, and Elem, they just need a bit of rework and a threat modifier. Maelstrom based, Earthquake is AoE threat and Earth Shock is single target threat and they both feed into charges of Earth Shield for mitigation and passive healing. Storm Strike gives Windfury, which is a dodge buff instead of haste. Maelstrom is spent on Earth Shocks or EQs to generate more Earth Shield charges or Healing Wave for spikey damage mitigation.
Lucas Pollet I want a legit pet-tank hunter 👌👌 haha
Yeah I play BFA rogue and I don't recognize my rogue class... I play classic wow and I recognize my rogue class
lol combat is very much the same, except with guns, atleast if you spec snd.
then you are really bad rogue since rotations are different and class wide ulities/deffs on rogues are +- same.
@@Swordart2022 the def/utilities are flat out better bother stronger and more useful, the rotation and abilities are almost the same with fewer ss needed in retail the pace is sped up but its pretty much the same spec, its hard to be bad at wow honestly the fact anyone could say someone else can be bad at the game is impressive to me with how dumbed down its gotten combat was the most simple spec in vanilla has the fewest abilities and never de ranks skills.
@@ekuipment72 But the gun destroys the class concept. A rogue is not a pirate.
Also the buff roll thingy is in my eyes not fun gameplay. If i use a finisher i want to know my results. (bar on crit or not ofc)
Anyway the guns made me lose my love of my class.
Oh well not like it matters anyway i stopped and i don't plan on going back anytime soon.
@@gerbo8018 the sounds killed it for me, the swish swish swish is awful. the gun kind of fulfills combats rogue fantasy where it didn't before. rogue: a dishonest or unprincipled man.
the roll the bones would have been better were you able to 'load the dice' properly and get the buff or buffs you want.
not saying retail is better at all but combats awfully similar to vanilla rogue.
Bring back MOP Paladins, with seals, long arm of the Law, and please bring back Shockadin, MOP rules,
alecu85t TRUE, bro, pallies then were so fun. Pop everything and absolutely anything.
Bring back Combat Rogues, with Unfair Advantage (every time you dodge an attack, automatically counter attack).
Yeah, I want something like TBC shockadin. TBC classes and talents sucked hard, but shockading was a bright exception!
100% AGREE, just.... pls do away with inquisition. It wasn'T fun in MoP. I think it existed in Cata but the fact that it cost holy power (i think) in MoP made it annoying. Well my memory is shite just I agree but no inquisition or bring Cata version of it. ;)
I miss feeding my pet to make them happy and rare pets actually being unique in skills.
Yes! Lightning for Wind Serpents. PLZ and thank you
Blizzard: *watching FFXIV Shadowbringer patch “wow we realize we went too far”
> *Plays an MMORPG*
> *Doesn't want team play related things*
This is the mentality that killed WoW
sorry but people prefer mechanical skill > team player buttons
@@arnoldchand4144 Cool. Mechanical skill is for RPG's like Dark Souls, which are fantastic games, but an MMORPG needs to have a bigger focus on group play than single player mechanical skill play.
@@arnoldchand4144 This is why Classic will outperform BfA.
They made Diablo 3 into an online game and WOW into an MMORPG that lowers team play requirement, and ALSO they made HOTS into a MOBA that the best players in the team dont get advantage for themself for playing good but have to take the loss after shitty teammates make mistakes... Somebody tell me please what drug Blizzard's been taking all these years???
@@Bumbum_Inspector it will/won't lmfao. The fanbase will be burnt out. I give em a generous 2 months. actually its funny because BFA isnt much of a bar anyways, an easy hurdle for Vanilla lmfao.
demonology warlock, I dont wan't to be a lord of imps and dogs, give me something interesting to summon
Always was excited for what powerful demon came after the Felguard... it was Metamorphosis
Now hopefully they acknowledge how much they've messed up loot. Too much RNG and you don't earn purples like you use to. Now they have to patch in enchanting abilities (in legion) to convert purple mats to blue because blues are harder to find than purples! Make epics epic again.
Its funny he says this as he has just realised it....we have been telling them that for four years. Odd...innit?
Blizz can say what they want but actions speak better then words. I'm sure if blizzard change the game into a more positive version the people that unsubbed will be back, me included
Yeah I actively miss playing WoW but its just in such a boring state RN. Would love them to realise
Bring back the old talent trees. Bring back reforging.
I also miss playing as a prot warrior and shooting my gun, heroic throw, charge pulls.
Bring back the old talent trees. Bring back reforging. Yes, this please!
but old talent trees are so static... its not like u can change things up like now theres always 1 best specc...i like the new ones and if they gonna bring it back then only passiv abilitys to chose from... and the new one only talents
@@janl5879 There were so many nuances in the old trees that made them great. Sure, bad players had one spec, but good players changed talents all the time. I'd absolutely LOVE to see old talent trees and stats. I want to worry about hit caps and expertise, and avoidance caps in dungeons to be uncrittable/uncrushable. I want to figure out how to raise my crit cap by pushing my hit rating past the cap. Theorycrafting was its own community and it made the game better.
@@jonathanwells9648 YES THIS! I miss the old talent trees and customizing your characters. As a former Surv hunter, I can say I miss all the neat things you could do. People thought they were crap, till you had one come in and triple trap all over the place.
@@jonathanwells9648 WHAT
There was always a best specc done u couldn change things up ?lul they didnt had m+ or smth all classes anyway had 1 ability rota there was not much to change
hunter used a 1 button macro
mage/warlock fireball
rogue no comment
so go on private servers for example tbc
U not gonna see a different specc then the best played fact
its just chaging for pvp/pve and even then its not changing much
Ion Hazzikostas: "We won't be pruning classes anymore, and we'll work on adding new content and skills to classes in the future."
Blizzcon 2019: "Tuskarrs of the Black Empire will feature a lowered level cap of 60, which will lower the required talent points and potential skills. We believe this will help streamline and balance classes going forward."
Shaman and druid will still be OP. Paladin bubbles too dont forget that. Balance is a broken dream they hope to achieve. It's never going to happen.
I don't think theres a druid who doesnt want Mark/Gift of the wild back
Id like healing touch back as well 🤷
Agreed.
I was always given so much shit for saying MOP is my favorite expansion... and it's because I have never had more fun playing my class than I did in MOP... and when that WOD pre-patch occurred I checked out. It was a huge nerf, so much utility and fun was stripped away, and it has never returned. I've tried WOD, Legion, and BFA, and because my class was so thoroughly butchered I couldn't get into the games.
Brownie points for you, I quit during the pre-patch. I remember those of us that saw the writing on the wall were a very small minority in a sea of WOD hype. I tried WOD for a month during its last patch, Legion for a few days and never touched BFA (despite having bought it). Not going to hold my breath about class design, not sure I'll ever go back to WOW at this point but it was fun while it lasted.
Please no more world quests and locking everything behind rep
I personally would say that World quests are better than the daily quest system. Plus, reputation is a fun grind in the game imo. A game like wow needs a grind, which is not necessary a lot of fun in iself, but very rewarding and therefore fun
@@viktorbukhave3619 fun? Doing the same quests over and over again, completing chapters of every Zuldazar region for the IMMENSE grind for the Zandalari troll race unlock can be considered "fun"? Are u high or what?
I just really want mop ele shaman back. Casting Lightning bolt on the move was sooo good.
Pryce 191 That was so fun. Thing is if you think back to any class/spec from mop you would love to have that over WoD-BfA
Agreed. Things like Angelic Feather (wonky mechanic, but gave some mobility), Void Tendrils, and Spectral Guise really helped Priests to feel great. I don't know why they didn't keep Void Tendrils and Spectral Guise for Shadow... there was something about both that made them unique from other spells and it really fit the theme.
i miss tbc shaman, stacking crit and feeling improvement > lava burst is off cooldown better use it literally just garbage filling up the action bar that i can't interact with.
@@naejimba Devouring Plague! Why the hell did they remove such an iconic Spriest ability?
@@ekuipment72 , I have to admit though, the single target rotation in TBC was just spamming lightning bolts. Sure, you could throw in chain lightning but you went oom, even if you waited for clearcasting procs.
I admit pressing lava burst on CD isn't that interactive, but at least it was another button to press and meant you actually used one of your shocks. It felt good when they got instant procs in MoP since you had to respond to that, and with elemental blast it felt like an actual rotation. Also have to admit lightning bolt while moving in Cata (glyph) and MoP felt really nice.
Unpopular opinion, I never liked the spell elemental blast... it looked more like a mage spell than a shaman one. IMO they should have just went with a wind or earth or ice spell. Mechanically, it also wasn't that interesting... you just press it on CD, like lava burst, but at least that used to do a satisfying amount of burst damage and forces a crit (you used to at least care about clearcasting procs as well).
I also never cared for shocks sharing CDs and I like the rework of Earth Shock (although now it is a lightning spell instead of an earth spell wtf?). Flame and Frost Shock sharing CDs was the worst though... you need to keep up Flame Shock to make Lava Burst worth casting (your top priority in most expansions) so are limited in PvP where you want to slow something or when you need to move in PvE. Mess up and your DPS goes in the toilet, especially bad for a spec where delaying Lava Burst casts is the worst thing you can do to harm your DPS.
Surprisingly I didn't care for the no CD version of Flame and Frost Shock in Legion since it changed the rotation to one where you dot them all up like a spriest, warlock, or certain versions of balance druids. One of the few things to track (and something that makes Ele unique) was the CD so you could spread Flame Shocks around asap. I'd just rather those two have separate CDs.
Or maybe have Frost Shock spammable but have the slow reduced, stacking up to 3x but reducing its damage each stack. If they insist on no lightning bolt while moving, that would at least allow for movement to not completely screw you over, and in PvP getting stacks up and not letting them fall off would be important against a single target.
My biggest critique of Elemental over all the years is how completely inflexible the rotation is in just about any incarnation. A really well designed spec is like MoP Destro, where you can pool a resource and spend it within a certain window of time... it allows flexibility and decision making in a way a whack a mole CD rotation can't compete with.
More class identity, less spec identity, e.g. Warlocks should all have shadowbolt as their filler.
Nah Destro needs Incinerate, been that way since WotLK. Fits into the Fel Fire theme. I think a better example would all 3 specs needing at least 2 dots. Destro and Demo don't feel like dot specs anymore, and dots are what Warlocks are all about.
Just go play classic.
FrazzaJ2000 okay, you dont understand the issue.
EdgedShadow destro can keep incinerate as their spender, but chaos bolt or conflag have to go or be moved to pvp or talents. Bring back shadowburn for all. All specs should have coa, aff gets corr and ua, destro gets immo and destro doom. A return of coe, cos abd cow would be nice.
We went too far, proceeds to give water walking/path of frost to all classes.
One thing that would make a sect of players happy: Ion’s resignation as Game Director. Doubt it’ll happen, but you never know.
Hated when they changed to the choose one of 3 fixed specs for your talents. Used to love hybrid builds and making a character that was a little bit of everything to suit my play style.
I think a better design in current WoW would be to have game mechanics that make hybrids use their full toolkit. Make druids shapeshift, encourage offhealing from other classes and just get us being more mindful of our groups. One of the reasons I miss Vanilla druid is being able to pickup an add as a bear or healing the group on the harder phases. I was not stuck in cat or bear.
This directly the problem with Legion's Artifact Weapon. People directly provided feedback transitioning from the Artifact Weapon to BfA was going to be a big problem.
The weapon system was shit to begin with. Stat sticks for weapons forced down our throats then zero plan on how to break away from that.
Also bring back Gladiator Warriors, just one of the best class/specs ever in wow
Warriors need to go the way of Druids and have a fourth spec: Gladiator. It was the epitome of my Warrior playtime. Dumped it after it was stolen from us.
i also liked the one handed fury spec that existed for a really short time
Oh hell yes. Gladiator was amazingly fun. Charge, smash, charge away. Jump back. Just so much to do
Erik Thiel yes dude that would be so cool I loved the gladiator talent
I second this, and add some new damn shields that arent so damn terribly small or crappy looking.
Don't know how often i heard the same stuff from Blizzard. "Oh yeah...we heard you and work on it" . Just to ignore it anyway.
I am playing wow since beginning in and out, like most people I hype up with each expansion, play 3-4 months and I quit and wait for a new expansion. It is like that since the end of WOTLK. I played non stop for years before that.
The thing that I hate most with the class design is talent trees. Like choosing a subclass and stick to it. I really miss the old talent tree system where you can freely give points to other talents. I remember that on one of the expansions I was playing a totally unique Lock build, a hybrid of the demon, aff, and the desto. It was deep enough to give my dots additional damage on aff, around the mid-level on the demon to let me use demonic sacrifice and rest to desto. I was sacrificing my succubus to give fire spell additional crit rate etc and man people were freaking out with my build a desto lock with %65 crit rate on raids. It was so much fun. Right now, every fire mage or add lock has the same talents, etc. They are exactly the same. Nothing personal, nothing unique. You can not personalize your character to find a unique way of playing it.
I only played BFA for 20 days, after Blizz admit that they launched BFA unfinished, with classes like the elemental shaman and shadow priest were not finished and clunky.
Hunter kill shot for Marksmanship back PLEASE
I was talking about this last night. As a BM hunter that is what I really need to push over the top. I have sustained damage but feel like I lack and real burst. Also...FIX FREAKIN PET PATHING.
MoP shamans was the best time in my wow career ... I loved being able to save the raid with the utility and damage they had at the time.
tbc resto/ele and enhance were all stupid fun, 2hd windfury one shots, ele Chain lightning one shots, and being a geared resto shaman drop earth shield on the tank and move to the next pack. also always top in effective healing stupid fucking paladins and their over healing the tank. also caster or melee totems for ur grp.
Fuck yeah preach it brotha! Shaman Fo Life lol that and I miss my cast on move lighting bolt even if it's just 1 spell for god sakes shaman should have atleast just that...lighting bolt on the move considering how they screwed us over these past xpacs and it'll make ele shaman viable in raids and pvp compared to most of the other classes geez
@BellularGaming Speaking about what I miss, Shaman Totems
Pero Menalo Wut
@@BombasticSidie I miss Shaman totems
it blew my mind when i returned to wow in legion to see that shamans didnt really have totems anymore. how could they possible think it was a good idea to remove part of the class' core identity?! such terrible nonsense whatever it was
shamans dont totem anymore? wtf? I've been gone a long time
@@maxerica69 they have totems but not very many and mostly just from perks
Class spec diversity is one of the reasons I abandoned everything else and chose a DK for this expansion. Absolutely love the differences in each spec, and its overall uniqueness in the game.
Class design in classic and even MOP was built around the total game experience not just raiding. Not only that it was built around the Holy Trinity of Tank, Heal and Damage. Meaning that Tanks could tank and absorb damage but they had limited amounts of health regen which is a healing ability. Similarly DPS could do massive DPS but they couldn't absorb a lot of damage or regenerate health that much. But over time, especially after the introduction of the Death Knight they moved away from that model and you got the situation where over time you got the absurd situation where Tanks or Death Knights could almost do dungeons alone since they had so much DPS, damage absorbtion and health regen. Going back to the Holy Trinity would be a good shift again. Because now almost every class has some combination of DPS, Tank and Heal abilities all in one either via passives, talents, armor, artifact traits, essences and so forth. And as a result the world isn't a threat like it used to be, tanking groups of mobs all at once is the norm and managing resources and watching damage taken really has less meaning.
Speaking of which, resource usage and damage taken used to be a more important aspect of gameplay whereas now it is almost not existent. I'd say they have gone too far in making classes so generic and homogenous even with the very streamlined specs, that going back and reverting or revamping things would be a waste of effort. Most players would just get tired eventually of the constant gutting and redesigning of classes and gameplay. That is not something that helps with retention long term. And the more cynical side of me says they did it on purpose.
And yes vanilla did have rotations, it was heavily built around resource usage vs output. You didn't spam your big abilities unless you wanted to wind up OOM or whatever.
One major problem that I have with current WoW is that all mages are interchangeable.
Like, each mage spec is radically different, and each talent changes your playstyle, and that's good. However, going from one build to another is basically free and basically instant, your choice is MEANINGLESS because you can just change back and forth at will. Make a cost to change talents, make a cost to change specs, and suddenly building your character matters again.
for my Hunter I want all my traps back, real aspects not the cooldown ones, MoP range survival spec, choosing pet's spec.
give us our snek traps back. This is why I play on a WotLK private server.
The only change that Blizzard can do to "save" modern wow, is to get rid of all the leadership for the WoW development team and get people in who actually *care* about the damn game.
gearzdesign I couldn’t agree more. The same tards that led us down this road now are going to save us? I think not.
gearzdesign wait, Darren? Lol
As a Druid my most missed pruned ability is Symbiosis. Boy, did that make for a fun play style!!
It wasn’t even that great, I miss tree form, they took it away for what seems like eternity and then finally brought it back. This was a while ago I’m sure you remember.
Literally every class feels so bland. That is why I stopped playing. I loved Legion. I had a main of every class, except Paladin. I tried to play this expansion, but I just get so bored.... everyone is the same and there's only like three buttons to press
a main of every class you say
You could say the game is lacking class.
What a surprise. 😏
Classic> retail. Once classic comes out I will never play retail again.
Mists of Pandaria once again showing why it was so great.
incoming people shitting on it because pandas waawawaa
i just hit 250 days played on my monk, and id absolutely love to have more cool class fantasy spells like back in mop!
Sarah Vittrup 6000 hours since MoP...????
@@undacuvabrotha played the same character pre-MoP too.
I want my 5.4 arcane mage back.. The fact that living bomb was my largest damage component was just fun! Also, mana adept!
love trolling AH with living bomb
Sadly, they've said this before that they went too far on this topic or that topic and chances never seem to come.
Just consider this is the same basic problem complex as the US government. You got the front people (Trump) and then you got the shareholders (swamp). The front people can say their piece and that's it. They have little decision power.
I want my tree form back with buffs and everything intact, please.