Hardtail Vise Ep. 22: Internal Shaping to Fit Dynamic Jaw
Вставка
- Опубліковано 15 бер 2024
- As we get to the final machining needed for our Hardtail vise, we'll get the inside area of the fixed jaw body machined to fit the dynamic jaw. For this I will be using the G&E shaper and a 12" long bar I made to cut the four corners that hold the dynamic jaw in the center. This was no simple task by any means but it was a great challenge to work on and I am excited to share this with everyone. I had well over two hours of video of this setup including the final fitment so I broke this into two final videos. The next video will show the completion of the Hardtail vise. #abom79 #metalshaper #hardtailvise #shaper #manualmachining
Paypal Channel Donation: www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr...
Support though Patreon: / abom79
My Amazon store where I'm adding many of the tools and products I use in my own shop. Amazon.com/shop/abom79
Visit my second UA-cam channel where you can follow our travels, camping, RVing, cooking, and bbq! - Наука та технологія
The cops are swarming because Adam's level of craftsmanship is ILLEGAL :)
The $1,000,000 dollar vise!
Platinum edition 👌
I love when you show the mistakes, more people need to realize mistakes are natural. Being wrong isn’t BAD, it’s just not correct, and then you learn. You’re smarter afterwards!
Looking at all the setup time and hand feeding reminds me of something an old die maker told me once: "You can make anything with a shaper, except a profit".
It's always really cool to see a master, not only work his craft, but flex his skills and learn new things.
"Let's get it rotated and indicated" Great bumper sticker!
I see so many new folks commenting on the sirens. Long time subscribers will remember it was a normal video occurrence at the home shop.
Possibly the most diffficult and tedious shaper work ever seen in modern time, no room for error but Adams not giving up !!
#22 episodes ..
🤔 😂🤣 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I really appreciate the time you took to bring us along .
When I was a little kid, my dad had a socket like the one you used to remove the slotted bolt on your shaper. It was for removing old king pins on straight axle trucks. Really brings back memories.
I absolutely love how Adam show us all right how it is. Even the mistakes. Teacher Adam. Keep it up bro.
I love the picture of the three Booths. Your Grandfather and Father would be so proud of you now.
If that old G&E shaper could think and feel, it'd be tickled pink to still be doing the good work it was made to do, so many decades later. I love seeing these old tools given the work and attention it takes to bring them back to life. There's still a whole lot of work for them to do.
Adam I really enjoy your videos. Always had a love for precision machining. This vice is quite an investment!
That idea to upgrade the locks sounds totally Abom. Great work!
As always the honestly and showing your mistakes helps new guys to understand it happens to the best.
Sir you are the coolest guy man. I love watching you machine and make stuff even though I'm not a machinist nor have anything to do with precision machined anything lol. your like the cool teacher at shop class that makes you wanna get into the trade. 10/10 man keep it up
Thanks 👍
Definitely need to get yourself a DRO for the old G&E Adam. 👍👍
Its also great to see him been able to work away without one and work thee machine as if if one was there all along 👍
4:10 There's another job for the CNC Lathe and Mill ... !!
Make a new screw to replace the old flathead, with a nice big "Allen Key" head on it ... :)
Bolt the vise body direct to the table without the swivel base for more rigidity. The vise body hole spacings look like they may align with the table tee slots, so maybe the fixture plate need not be used?
Sounds like you might be either close to a hospital or close to an EMS dispatch center. Love watching the shaper. Very relaxing. Definitely able to do jobs that traditional mills would find very difficult. Thanks for sharing.
I would leave the Meatball on top and hex the bottom half so you could have both
I think this is the result of my suggestion of a quick release, but I like this idea better.
Great idea.
Simple Adam :) Only you know how much experience and knowledge goes to setups like this. Great video.
Put some hex flats on those clamp bolts
I assume your non - sparkling wrench is made from beryllium copper (typically 5% 95%), used in areas like mines and others where flammable vapours are found. You can get hammers and even hacksaw blades in this material, and it can be as strong as high tensile steel. It's expensive, look after it! And thanks again for all the excellent videos Adam!
His non sparking wrench is marked USN probably used on the hanger deck of an aircraft carrier. You don't want sparks in an area where aviation fuel vapors and ordnance are in the same place
Last time I saw tools like that I was selling the company a Peristaltic Pump with a Remote Hydraulic Drive for Pumping Nitroglycerin. In this case we swapped out all the fasteners for Aluminium Bronze which is also commonly used.
It could be from a submarine. WW2 ones had non- sparking tools
How to machine a killer vice to make it even better. It’s not a whoops on the tool it’s a hidden feature thank you for adding it in
Adam, if you go into production on these vises, build a tool that has opposing triangles. The opposing triangles have square notches cut such that a 2 sided square broach can be pushed through on each corner, cutting a square corner.
The two triangles have a brass or delrin centering pad that pushes on the rough casting as the triangles are pulled together by a bolt that draws the two wedges together.
An index mark on the two wedges will tell you how tight to make the wedges to get exactly the right spread.
Doubtful that he would ever consider doing production runs of this vise. It would be in direct competition with Fireball and no way could he recoup the production costs. These vises are expensive enough as it is.
I'm impressed. Adam did the undoable pushing a real square in a piece of cast iron which fits the dynamic jaw to enter smoothly.
47:55 A fluffy siamese cat spotted in the background :)
Just nice to have all the old shop working, even the sirens. But not only Pensacola, I was on NYC back in October and was the same every 5 min.
The vise, looking so nice. Thanks for sharing.
Loving this vise build/machining series. Looking forward to seeing it all come together.
Beauty! Love how you are making all things to look so simple! Great man! ❤
You are a true master of that Shaper
What a fantastic machine
Adam thanks for another wonderful video, hope you are doing well!
It is for me an unique good experience to watch the whole process so far,Adam.I hope that this experince will teach me to be more patient when things go sour. Happy Saint Pat.Thank you.
Finish on vice: One thing Joe Pie does when making his mini machines is, he will file the part (maybe grind) the ugly parts of the casting. Then the part goes in the sand blaster where the roughness of the casting is put back. Really depends on what you can live with.
Это уже не тиски, это произведение искусства.
I wasn't bored.
Excellent machining work on the shaper, you are a true craftsman !!
You’re taking the worlds best vise and turning it into the world bestest bada$$ vise ❤
Working with flammable shapers in enclosed spaces, non-sparking tools are essential.
LOL! 😆
I appreciate the length of this video. I know youtube says they aren't as well received, but its been a while since you've put up an hour+ video, and this one was probably the highlight of my saturday! Thanks as always for sharing.
Regarding the sirens, maybe it has to do with the fact you've got the highest population of golf-carts percapita of any other city you've visited. I don't know how true this is but I've heard it's law you have to own a golf-cart to retire there. 😂
Hi Adam. I love to see that shaper working.
As to the issue about making sure the corners are in the same plane - I was expecting you to have made a tool similar to a square that would span across the bottom and just fit for height, and use the Mk 1 Eyeball with a light source behind to see when the sides were plumb with each other. Trusting a casting seems sketchy - but then again, with a 0.020 margin, it shouldn't really be a problem in the end.
You left us hangin'
Hay guys anyone agree the shaper is the best tool ever ,I know there out dated but still can do Wath new machines can't,💪 also I think it's very therapeutic to watch it work awak , I'd much rather watch this tool at work over a fly cutter or a mill any day, Also seeing Adam cutting it with no DRO, 👍that's an a amazing benefit of having a good teachers and willing to learn over the years and it just goes to show how this chap is a such an amazing engineer, thank you Adam for all there videos and cool projects 💯 % 💙 from Ireland 🇮🇪
shapers are great for hobby stuff because your time isnt money and its by far the nicest metalworking tool to use - comparatively quiet, clean and doesnt throw chips everywhere, uses inexpensive tooling, you can largely let them run while you do other stuff, they're great. If it was my livelihood? No. But fortunately its not so yeah, i love it.
so how would you do this without a shaper? Note, I am totally not a machinist, @@joshwalker5605
About the sirens? Look at your location to the locations of emergency care facilities. You may be on a prime route to get there. I lived on a suburban street growing up. The PRIMARY fire route was a 'straight shot' 3 blocks over, but that street curved about 10 times in less than a mile, meaning no speed capability. We were the secondary route. We say fire trucks at least 5 times a week blowing down our street. A friend lived about 2 miles from a trauma center, and yea, it was NON STOP. Even though that trauma center was 2 miles from him, he lived near a main throughfare. All about the location for sure. Believe me, there are FAR worse places for sirens...
Interstate ramp in his backyard. As be mentioned, they used to be constant when he was strictly working and filming in the home shop.
@@philbert006Oh I know, been following Adam since for years now. I just find it interesting that he says "I've never been anywhere with sirens all the time". Lots of places exist like that, lots. As mentioned, I lived on a quiet street...except that we were the secondary fire route, and the primary route had way too many curves, so by default we became the primary route. Now then, we didn't have much in the way of ambulances or police cars, but those that live right by the freeway ramps? ALL THE TIME. Fire, Ambulance, Police, it's non-stop in the SE Michigan region if you live by a freeway. Heck, even in my area where it's not nearly as congested as that, I live a mile from a main road, and I hear Police/Fire/Ambulance EVERY SINGLE DAY multiple times a day. I live in a 'township', not even a city...we're small, but because we have an urgent care facility a mile away, two section 8 housing systems 3 miles away, and 2 total dumpster fire apartment complexes we have lots of police action, so we hear sirens all the bloody time. LOL...Heck, 99% of the time I don't even notice them now.
That looked harder than it... looked. No - it seemed harder than it... seemed. Uhm... 😁
Visibility is easy to take for granted, I guess. Nicely done.
A man and his hardtail vise…… A LOVE STORY. Should be the title lol
Adam, Port St. Lucie is almost as active. My place as about 4 blocks from the squad building.
I ran into Abby and your doppelgangers in Mexico a month ago. That Abby was having a blast.
Nice folks, like you two, but not you two. They have your youtube info now and loved the confusion. I realized before I approached them, but wanted to explain why I was looking at them longer than normal.
I’m so glad to hear that Abby had a great time! I guess we both love vacations! -Abby
6:40 This shiny custom-made nut definitely worth a specialized wrench :)
3:42 Now that's an Abom sized screwdriver right there! 😅 Half inch drive on a ratchet, that's something to snag your slotted bolts 🤣
The new shop is cool and all. But Man, I love the old shop.
Just miss seeing Stella wandering around.
Great work Adam!
I keep watching cause I wanna see you slide the two together and see those two jaws match up? I think the last thing you should’ve machined was the jaw and Jaw inserts.
That pipe wrench is beryllium copper, maybe made by BerylCo. Very cool metal. Highly toxic when being machined but fine once it’s made.
What about a lever action clamp for the meat balls on the rotation ?
very nice
Great work
I’m just glad your hand wasn’t anywhere around there. Great job, sorry about all the pauses I had meetings all day got to watch in between craziness.
cool setups n machining...shaper time!!!
The Pensacola area has a lot of retired military personnel, and unfortunately, they are getting old and having health issues.
Some really nice video work in this one!
Awesome job man!
Good setups.
Adam I have the same level of emergency services tearing past my place here in Australia.
At the end of the major street I live on is where they have located a group of emergency services.
Ambulance, Fire brigades etc so this is their home and why we hear them all the time just like you do.
well, that's one way to get the tool shorter! 😂 Luckily nothing else broke.
Love your content. Thought of new project maybe you have already have this in mind. New shoulder with hex socket for sharper. Like you made for vise.
Didn't he say he made 2, of course the thread may not match the front of the ram
thank you Adam
Omg. Adam. Finish that vise already.
A handle with a "u" on the end.. a pin through the ends of the U and the meatball would allow you to flip the handle from one side to the other.
I guess that problem of how much to cut off the tool got resolved prematurely. :)
Great job Adam, I wondered how you would machine the inside.😀
That's a big kitty Adam.
How do you suppose Jason at Fireball, or his Taiwanese supplier, machines this part for production? A really big broach?
To keep the meat balls. But put hex on the bottom half.
Now what finish/ color . To make it yours.
40:23 ahhhh The Abom79 sound
That pinch risk at 20:16 gave me a squeaky bum moment!
definitely a nex would be nice esp.. for smaller vises...tired of bending them lil rods...great tip; thanks!!
Adam could you duplicate the meatball for the swivel nuts without the hole. Then cut the hex nut. You might have to use deep socket but I really like like the idea of being able to tighten the swivel
Excellent idea! The short little loose-fit thru-handles make perfect sense for a vise that exists in isolation from other tools, as in my basement home office & electronics workshop, but Adam's situation is quite different. He should certainly move towards converting ALL of his adjustment & locking screws to hex-heads, preferably of one size throughout. When I take the time to think about it, I wonder WHY we have so many different sizes of hex [Allen] keys, for instance, or over a dozen Torx driver sizes, with or without 'security' central pins, in both metric & imperial sizes, when my Canadian square-head [Robertson] tools manage to cover a huge range of screw head sizes with only FIVE colour-coded drivers [black, red, green, yellow, orange]. Madness! Who benefits, other than the tool vendors?
Nice project! How much is the vise worth when you add in all the man-hours you've put into machining on it?? Be glad all the sirens isn't police activity!
Couldn’t a guy have put an indicator on the toolholder and swept vertically to find out if the sides were coplanar.
Hypnotic…
😁
A DRO sounds like your next project.
1:04 That's a great idea! .. A nice project for the CNC lathe AND mill!! .. Make them from 4140 and gun blue finish??
Thank's Adam.
All I know of machining I've learned from you so forgive my simpleton question
Could you put a dial gauge on the tool bar and raise/lower the knee to indicate the upper and lower faces in or out of plane?
13:04 That tool will fit fine after you're done shaping the vice!! :)
Yes Dave, I believe Keith Fenner has some of these tools, and I'm pretty sure that Tom Lipton has a hammer in his (extensive) collection.
Making a wrench on the CNC ought to be a pretty cool project!! Just Saying....
You were talking about making a hex head on the side clamps . what you need to do is make the vise handle hex drive just like the mill vise that way one handle does both
It will not be the last tool you gonna break. With CNC it's just a question of time ;-)
Hi Adam - I was thinking about the arm off your clapper box and how the rear flange could be improved for reference angles. How about the rear flange being machined into a shape like a round gear on your CNC? Perfect project. A recess in the back face of the clapper would mean the arm could be strongly referenced at any division based on how that "gear" shape is fitted in. That gets you your ninety every time. A gear with twenty-four round teeth gets you 15deg each step.
Worst cliffhanger ever :)
New video is up ;)
Don't worry, my friend, Adam thought of that. The new video is out right now!
make the hold downs with a ball & bar on top (like original) and a hex at the base for a wrench. 👍 ...Ti or SS would look pretty sweet.
Make a windrow of scrap bits in the woods and grow oyster mushrooms? Great source of compost in a few years
Adam I live in calgary AB. y neighbourhood also has constant sirens.
Thank you for the video, Adam! This seems to be the most tricky machining operation in the series. It must take a lot of patience. I wonder what machine/process Jason uses to cut these inner surfaces during serial production.
Alex, Fireball tools uses a corporation in Taiwan to do the entire operations, they do all either in-house, cottage industry for some smaller supplies consumed, or sub out what is too dirty like the pouring, forging, casting with concomitant grind gates, pour basin, risers etc.
The castings will be held on reference surfaces created with the pour. I did not see such a surface on this when he was showing us, lo, these many months ago. In this instance Jason may have sent Adam his casting, an obligatory casting he inspected for acceptance of some phase of the initial contract. No clue.
To answer the exact question you have now. The body is positioned and held in a ridge fashion (I can't speak for anyone but me here though so NaCl crystals on any setups or problems...). A broaching operation will be performed, there might be hydraulics for shimming, advancing of the form tool, there might be coolant of some sort, I would use a light oil, around 5 psi and depend on the work holders for drainage of chips and oil. The broach would be in a fixture for support during the many tiny cuts of the first corner. I would not use a specialty broach set for the limited run made at any one time. Common right angle broaches could be used for the corner, the flat surface which supports the dynamic jaw both in front and at the back are already finished just as in this example of Adam's. Which ever way it is done will be fast, clean, low cost for now.
It could be as simple as a guy with a finger sized belt grinder and a lot of practice in filing to fit.
As far s a reference plane to align the upper and lower rails, when milling in the fixed jaw body, perhaps mount it to an angle plate, one side up, then the other, and end-mill a 3/8 to 1/2 inch wide plane at the end of the casting, that is perpendicular to the base. I understand that would conflict with the esthetic of maintaining the original cast surface, but to make that new surface appear more consistent, mill the adjoining edges of the hard-tail to match? If not milling along the entire length of the side of the fixed-jaw body, perhaps two matching surfaces on the outside of the fixed-jaw body and in the direction being parallel to the fixed-jaw base. Do that with a 1/2 inch end mill about 3/4" to 1" long, perpendicular to the base.
Another possibility could be having made a 1/4" thick steel plate of the approximate shape of the surface the hard-tail mounts to. Utilize the hard-tail mounting bolts to attach it to the fixed-jaw body, dowel-pin it in place to maintain position, and then cut out the middle, making the cutout the exact dimensions of the needed opening size. When you assemble the hard-tail to the fixed-jaw body, having removed the dowel pins, those pin-holes would be covered by the hard-tail flange.
Also, perhaps make a dummy plug about .015 to .020 smaller than your expected final dimensions, and work up to matching the hole-size using feeler gauges. Or make 2 dummy plugs, one like described, and a second one with the exact cross-sectional dimensions as the dynamic jaw slide. Use the undersized plug to establish the location, and the full sized one for your final test.
OR...
Get a custom broach set made for a few thousand bucks to broach the final hole! Just kidding!
I love to see the old equipment running, how do you keep all those metal surfaces from rusting down in Florida? I am two states over and my stuff looks like brown bark!