So I bought a Made in Pakistan Uilleann Pipes chanter from eBay
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Yes please... would love a video on how, where to buy a good set of Uilleann Pipes. been looking for ages. and just can't find anything that looks to be playable (for a beginner like me)
I have since made one! Right here, hope this helps: Top Ten Tips for Buying Uilleann Pipes
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@@sionrouse Thanks, I found it... just finished watching it.
I've been over to the Andreas Rogge page... but still can't deside 🤔
Very informative video Jason, balanced and fair and not too negative as you'd expect from forums on this contentious subject. This is exactly whats needed for beginner pipers who are curious and of course always cash strapped and are tempted by the Pakistan made ebay pipes. Keep up the videos!
Thanks, I try to remain unbiased and just show the chanter for what it is. The pipes are a difficult enough instrument as it is. Cheers, Jason
@@sionrouse Indeed. Keep up the videos mate, you've got a great practical approach that can really help break down whats involved.
This was awesome! Very informative and great to see the comparison. Thanks for the great video.
I love these videos! As difficult as it is to listen to, I really enjoy your commentary. Being an aspiring reed maker, I really had to force myself to watch, and listen through the entire video.
Your'e a brave man, and well done for this Jason, hope to meet you one day.
Great video. Learned a lot. Thank you 🎶
A few years ago, I bought a synthetic ABS practice set made in the UK. I paid $465 shipping included. Tried them out once and tossed them into storage. LOL 😂 Wish I had someone like yourself to teach me. 😁 Thanks for your honest review and demonstration. Very helpful, indeed. Greetings from San Francisco, California, USA.
I've tried a few of those and they really struggle to compare with a proper set. I wouldn't mind but they are seriously over priced for what you can do with them. In the UK they're often found in music shops and sold to aspiring pipers. Maybe I'll do a video on one of the ABS sets if I can get my hands on one for cheap.
Well done Jason! No doubt your video will prove to be of great help to the uilleann piping fraternity.
I hope you can get an occasional supply of cane for reed making, as my father made reeds as fast as lightening; He told me that it was really important to obtain the cane at a particular stage of "ripeness" which made it easy to work with using his cut-threat razor -
Ah thanks Helena, the documentary footage of your father making reeds with his razor is an inspiration to us all. I have a few examples of his work here and have a reed by him too. I might do a deep dive into it in a future video
Really interesting video. Thank you. You mentioned you may do a video on what to look for when A beginner buys a set. I’m looking forward to that one.
Aye it’s a bit of a minefield. Hopefully this will give some prospective pipers a bit more of an insight into what they’re getting with one of these sets. Thanks
Loved your pipes cabinet! 😃 Choose your key, "plug and play!" - Very assertive video by the way - I'm glad you tried different the reeds...Well done!
Haha that’s not even all the pipes. I think I need to have a clear out!
Very nice informative video. Interesting talking about the lengths. It’s an awful shame that really timber is destroyed. It would be great if they could sell you the timber billets and the chrome plated tubing.
I bought similar highland bagpipes. They leaked like a sieve! :D
I think if you can drill out the top to accept the read of choice & then use a small carving knife to open the holes, particularly the back hole to tune the chanter, then it might be useable, otherwise it can be a 'wall hanging' like my Pakistani made bagpipes. ;)
I’m glad I came across this video as I had my finger hovering over the button for an eBay set! I should know better, been burned in the past. You were saying about maybe making a video with recommendations for affordable alternatives for beginners and how to buy a good set for cheap, which would be great for folks like me with an interest in starting but finding it hard to know where to start. A lot of the makers I’ve come across are super expensive. I understand why as they’re very difficult and time consuming to make, I guess just an easier introduction for folks like me maybe would be great!
Maybe he should review 'David Dayes Penny Chanters'. He is from USA and makes Uileann pipes with cheaper materials, I'd be interested to hear what someone who is knowledgable would have to say about them.
If you want a similar instrument for introductory purposes, try a penny whistle
I wish they made an uilleann synthetic reed that sounds decent!!
I don't even play the pipes (yet) and I know that sounded so wrong. Most newbies like myself know the Pakistani sets are bad, but you really thoroughly outlined why exactly they are so bad. It's not even the reeds, it's the foundational design of the chanter. I can understand why they sent plastic reeds, because some beginners use them I guess, but a HIghland reed? The people who packed that for you clearly don't know one reed from another. Surprised you didn't get a saxaphone reed. There's another video on youtube where a man buys a set of Highland pipes from Pakistan. After much patient work, taping, more taping, and struggling with the bag and chanter, he literally throws it down on the floor.
Thanks Jason for this in-depth video! Would buying a set of these just for the bag/bellows combo and then purchasing a quality chanter for it be a sensible option for a budget starter practice set, do you think? Thanks
Hmm, that probably seems like a good idea but my experience with the bag/bellows is different with every set. Some are passable quality and some are dreadful. The bags seem to be the worst offenders, with the bellows typically a bit more serviceable. If youre on a budget then I would 100% put your money into a good chanter and then build up the rest of the set when you can afford it. Thanks :)
@@sionrouse Thanks for the info!
I do not recommend! I replaced the leaky bellows with a lovely Dow bellows sold to me kindly by someone not Learning pipes anymore. The bag holds air just fine (it's just fugly). The chanter was tuned as best as possible by Jack Brennan and the reed by Glen Sheffer. It's still super ordinary but I can't afford a new chanter right now. It allows me to learn and I bought the set before having any lessons at all.
Hi there - US expat here living in N. Ireland now. Played GHB for about 10 years in the States and now looking to migrate my knowledge to Uilleann after a great session at An Droichead a few weeks ago! I'm keen to get the fingerings down first and was wondering if there's a 'practice chanter' setup for Uilleann like there is for GHB or am I better to just get an entry-level set of pipes and learn that way? Appreciate any recommendations!
I made a video about buying pipes you might find useful. There's a lot of great makers near you, Paddy O'Hare, Martin Gallen, Robbie Hughes, etc. You might be able to get a good quality practice set made or find one second hand locally. Good luck on your piping journey! Heres the video: ua-cam.com/video/Y0Uz0Uzb480/v-deo.html
We should try organizing a crowdfounding and go for a full set of the cheapo e-bay pipes
haha! oh dear!
Wouldn't take very long to get the target sum for that purchase.
Hello. Thanks for the vid, helpful and informative. I would like to try the pipes at some stage and I will definitely take your advice and not buy a cheap set.
I checked out your music on band camp and I must say that I like your homage to Nick Drake in your album cover.
Haha thanks for noticing :) always wanted to do an album cover like that. Cheers and good luck on your piping journey 💪🏻
Question: I am kind of new (5years) to the uilleann pipes. I played Highland pipes before for many years. How long should an uilleann chanter reed last? I currently own a David Daye set. I play maybe 5 hours total a week. After about 2 years, my reed just flattens or collapses I guess would be a better description. So I have to get a new one every 2-3 years. Is this normal?
If you don't need to mess around too much with a reed and live in a relatively stable climate it should last for a long time. I had a reed that was 100 years old and still played well, but that was certainly an outlier and not the norm. I imagine most reeds would last around a decade or so before going for a new one. But your mileage may vary-things like blowing into the reed by mouth will shorten the lifespan.
Very informative 🤠👍 enjoyed the video,, new subscriber here 👍🤠
Hello. thanks for your videos. I have a quick question for you. I would like to start playing, could you recommend me an instrument or a brand at an affordable price that is decent in quality? or any set that works and is not extremely expensive? Thanks again!
Thank, I think I’ll have to do a video on buying a set. There’s a few makers that are reasonably priced out there but ordering a new set could be a long wait. David Daye makes a ‘penny chanter’ which I’ve not tried but looks like it gets good results. Andreas Rogge makes delrin (plastic) starter chanters which is a great option. Martin Gallen, Sam Lawrence and Kenneth McNicholl all make reasonably priced practice sets. You could always see if you spot a second hand set by a good maker on the Uilleann pipes Facebook group, provided there’s a decent reed and no issues with the set. Get in touch with Na Piobairi Uilleann (pipers.ie) as they do a pipes on loan scheme if you don’t want to fork out the full price right now. Hope this helps!
Hi ! Thanks for the video. I recently bought the same chanter, just for fun. I have more or less the same results as you. I think the back D is flat here mainly because the wall is way too thick (the external diameter goes larger at this place) as well as a bit small...
Aye I think there are certainly some problems with the top part of the chanter. Maybe the reamer didn’t go in far enough? Without taking measurements it’ll be hard to say but that’s certainly what it feels like. But I know what you mean, it feels like a lot of wood between the hole and the bore
a full video on reeds would be interesting, they always seem like a nightmare!
Holy moly. Where to start! Anyone interested in making their own I’d recommend the NPU website, pipers.ie, there’s a feast of free info and videos on there from the top reedmakers at the minute. I might do a video on some simple non-destructive adjustments in the future. Watch this space!
at least it actually works. some of these ebay instruments don’t even make a single sound.
have you ever come accross a set of pipes made by a company called hacam-dim and suns?
I once heard a set of pakistani smallpipes. they were awful.
It's all the same company as far as I know
Were you able to use the bag/bellows/stocks for a practice set or were they all problematic?
I only got the stocks with this one, but I can confirm the bags and bellows both pretty poor. You should throw out the bags but the bellows can be useful with a new valve, provided they’re airtight. They’re not my style at all but they can be functional to a degree. Again, I’d put money into a proper bellows. For a practice set, every part of the pipes is important to get right, so any small issue can be magnified many times over for the beginner. The stocks seem to be okay here, but a new valve was also required to make them airtight and playable. Check my video on Uilleann tips & tricks for some more info on getting a good seal and my thoughts on bellows too if you’re interested
@@sionrouse Thanks for the reply, so just the chanter stock is what you are using?
I've got a kelleher bellows but was curious if they might work for a beater practice set to take camping (just take the bag, bellows, chanter stock from the Pakistan set). Sounds like no.
@@justaguy5776 you’d want a proper bag to be honest. The bags they come with are fairly dire, even with a strong bit of seasoning. I’ve seen folks use the bellows but you’d want to have a go at a new valve for them. There’s a little bit about valves in my last video about Uilleann tips & tricks which might be of help. Maybe I’ll do another video on how to make a valve properly :)
Dai che il pakistano è buono per il camino. ;-)
I'm having Davy Spillane build me a half pipe and he asked if I should add keys... I have no idea, are keys a good idea on the chanter?
The Spillane chanter I had came with a C key. A F key would be a nice addition too, but it really depends on what you're planning on using your pipes to play as most piping tunes wont need more than those two. Congrats on the pipes too, Davy makes nice instruments!
오래전 ebay에서 파기ㅣ스탄연습용 샀으나 꽤나 큰 힘이 들어야 소리가 났으며 단지 그 한 두음 이외에는 다시는 들을수없고 버려졌네요.
Maith an fear.
When I spotted a practice set by MH Geoffrey about five years ago, on Ebay, I quickly discovered that there is a branch of maths which can show that £5,000 is " a bit more " than £60. I am saving up, and I believe I will have the funds within the next seventy or eighty years .....
David day makes a great intro set.
This actually sounds 100 times better than the Pakistani set I bought years ago. Teeth grinding ear shattering experience with this cheap set with every mechanical failure that pipes can have. They make useless junk.
How were the stocks?
they were *fine*, hard to mess that up!
@@sionrouse I've thought of getting some just to keep from having to drill a common stock, which is much harder on a wood lathe than it is to do on a machine lathe (no room in my shop)
@@Marcblur I’m sure you could do a much better job yourself. The proportions are a little on the large side and the wood is poor quality and finish
Not a bad chanter....but a pretty bad chanter.
You're comparing a Japanese Taiko to a Western snare drum.
Are you serious???
Goodness.
It sounds darn awesome, really.
Again, it's not a Western chanter, but a Pakistani:
It is LOGICAL to sound different.
I dont even know what a Taiko is but cheers :)
@@sionrouse
A Japaese drum, good sir.
Which is quite Japanese, and sounds, well ... rather Japanese ... .
In this, I mean:
Comparing any non-Western instrument with a Western one, and let me take a Russian Balalaika as example and compare it to a guitar as we know it, is a bit ... silly?
I mean, do we compare say a Fiat Panda to a Rolls Royce?
A somewhat hyperbolic analogy, yet, it is the same, in basics ... ?
I don’t think the geographic location of the maker has an impact. I would go as far as to say that the best modern maker of uilleann pipes is Japanese. I’m not sure the chanter in this video is trying to reinvent the instrument as a band new thing, rather it’s trying to emulate existing makers. We can see this as this particular chanter is a copy of the work of Robbie Hughes, a well established pipe maker from Co. Down.
I get the point you’re making with different instruments from different cultures but I’m not sure it applies to this. Perhaps if it was positioned as a new instrument and not an uilleann pipe then I’d understand your boggle. I’m glad you enjoyed the sound of it though.
@@sionrouse
What you say, LITERALLY, is that a Taiko = a snare drum, sir.
Now, as it factually is:
Every country, which has it's own version of a certain instrument, affects said instrument, through it's culture.
What you say, sir, is:
Mongolian Tuvan Throat Singing = Tibetan Gyoto Monk Kargyraa Throat Singing.
Since, Throat Singing.
I then say:
Absolutely not.
And YES, it is this, it is an EXACT, FACTUAL analogy.
A Spanish guitar is not comparable to an American guitar.
Simple.
Factual.
My apologies for correcting you, sir.
But facts are simply that.