I said the same to my wife, he's been doing the pod so long with Neil, that he's not just the lay comic relief anymore, he's got background knowledge and is asking good scientific questions.
He's followed the natural trajectory of what was hoped for in this show-- he was a good sport he kept things balanced and energized while we were both laypeople doing our laylistening. Now though, we know what we're talking about well enough, even though we're not scientists, to listen thoughtfully and ask informed and meaningful questions. The whole point of the show is to help us get there. It's absolutely right for Chuck to be where he's at now, he's still showing us how to show up. 🩵✌️
Instead of Pong, these neurons in a dish need to be taught how to provide Neil with coffee. He looked sleepy this episode. I almost feel like Chuck was not only more interested, but asking the leading and intelligent questions I would expect from Neil. Not to say Neil wasn't interested, but Chuck really lead the discussion with this episode. He wasn't just the funny guy. I think Chuck spoke more than Neil and Gary combined. Chuck is slowly earning an honorary doctorate with each StarTalk.
I love how Neil tends to have this bored look when he listens to somebody but then he comes back with a question or comment that shows that he was actually listening very carefully and is maybe even excited about what was said. 😄
We should all be so greatfull for what startalk do, bringing the ACTUAL information from the ACTUAL people working in the field, instead of the regurgitated sensationalism that the popular midia feed us.. Thank you so much for bringing thuth 🙏
Chuck has been on so many star-talks he’s second hand intelligent. Dude keeps right up with them and interacts with actual questions pertaining to the topic and not non sequitur. Good for you brother.
As an Australian, the slight pause Neill takes to pronounce Melbourne is so excessively respectful and sincere. I don't even live in Melbourne but it is appreciated ❤👌😁
at first gary didnt seem like a good fit for a science show but he grows on you, he does more research on a topic than either neil or chuck and prepares questions with bulletpoints to ask, he plays a good offset to keep the show on track than going completely off script
Found the source of the "neurons that fire together" quote! (I love checking sources.) It's about what's referred to as Hebbian learning. Carla Shatz was paraphrasing Donald Hebb for the popular press, sometime around 1949. What Hebb actually wrote was that neurons with a repeatedly reinforced causal link maintain a causal link; that is, if one neuron is repeatedly fired by another neuron, they are more likely to remain connected.
@@christopherweidensee6133 No, it's more akin to soil seepage patterns and NTC thermistors. The pathway is already there, so no need to try to establish a new one. Don't go chasing quantum waterfalls; stick to the classical mechanics that you're used to until they don't adequately describe your observations.
Hi Neil, I propose the idea that behind every blackhole is a big bang. Similar to a raindrop in the pool of water. Could you ask Ms. Janna to discuss upon this topic. I highly look forward to every episode.
Mr Tyson, it was looking like you were fighting sleep like a youngster trying to stay up to watch TV late. Was it the time difference that had you up at a crazy hour? Hope you were feeling ok.
super impressed by chuck in this interview. Hes way smarter then i gave him credit for, whats his background because it seems they only ever announce him as a comedian?
This is a wonderful episode. All of the episodes are great. As a person with epilepsy, I wonder if it will be possible that this research can lead to better treatment of epilepsy or even a cure. I would LOVE to stop taking these meds already. Alzheimers also comes to mind. I really hope this can eventually help many people in the near future. In my lifetime please. Hurry up!
This determinism is in the one case what Bergson calls "radical finalism," and in the other "radical mechanism." “The willow submits to the wind and prospers until one day it is many willows - a wall against the wind.” Frank Herbert
Love to all of you! But yes Neil, I hope you are doing alright. You do so much for all of us, and help us learn better! And would make me happy to know you are well and rested!! We love you! 🫶
This feels verry much like a thing we think is totally fine and ethical until we find out that it isn't but we learn so much because of it that it becomes a bigger historical event than we intend.
Intelligent life is the coming together of two, or more senses. The more sense you're gifted with at birth, the higher your ability to interpret your surrounding environment with, which enables us to put the dots together and gifts us with the ability to learn on our own. Focus on gifting your project as many at birth as you possibly can. I think your findings will amaze you. Start off by rewarding it for learning letters, later words, and finally by putting a sentence together. Give it a way to master what it wants from us. Learn to communicate with it. I don't know if you'll learn anything, or if this new life form will be any smarter than we are, but there's only one way to find out.
The phrase "If I can't build it, then I don't understand it" is often attributed to Richard Feynman, a renowned theoretical physicist known for his work in quantum mechanics and particle physics. Feynman emphasized the importance of deep understanding and hands-on problem-solving, which aligns with the sentiment of the quote.
I like how niel is half asleep during the whole thing like he couldn’t care less he looks extremely bored but always has good questions and insight like he’s heard this 36 times before.
One thing people always worry about is the aligned interests of Ai and humans and how it may lead to conflict and I’ve always considered that we need a similar feedback system. We have emotions and physical pain to regulate our behaviour, the idea of entropy to train the cells is interesting and could possibly allow a better technology in future where neurons are trained to be intelligent and apply silicon to process better and faster.
Do you consider that the stimulation you give the cells might invoke a primitive emotional response? Say if the paddle misses the ball, then you stimulate it with what you consider a nominal electric shock. Would it introduce a Pavlov type training in attempting to avoid pain?
What a coincidence, I used neuromorphic engineering as a topic for my title proposal just 2 weeks ago. Didnt really lead to anything big though as with all small colleges, i didnt even get the chance to defend my title due to the lack of time and my prof just decided to read and grade it. Its a really interesting topic, while I focus mainly on the software side of computers (despite being a computer engineering student), i find hardware topics like physical artificial neurons and neuromorphic engineering very interesting. Just for some context, Neuromorphic Architectures are based around neural networks designed to model the human brain instead of "emulating" artificial intelligence using software and GPUs (atleast from i researched and understand, this is the basic concept). Right now, we lack a turing complete model of computation for neuromorphic architectures thus hindering further research into the field (again, from what i can understand, take it with a grain of salt). Sources: Carnegie Mellon University research paper about Neuromorphic Computing and ResearchGate
I love Neil. I think he looks relaxed...because he's not in a studio with 15 mics in his face in front of a live audience. Or, I'm wrong. Either way, Im a dedicated Neil Degrasse Tyson enthusiast.
I'm so proud to be an Australian right now :) This work is amazing! Can you imagine using a biological hub for amputees? They could get fully functioning fingers/feet/limbs again
He’s basically been on a non stop podcast tour for years. I’m not even sure how he works his normal job. I’d be tired too. Or yes chuck converted him 💨 😂
Hi Professor Neil G.Tyson I have seen an episode of Star Talk about How An Ai Can Win Over The Bank's Ai and my theory is that with such a contact the time limit is reduced. 1- In such an opration, depends on how Ai is programmed in other words language has been used. 2- Ai from behind, can't tell the difference between human and makin. 3- And speed of Ai is decisive. 4- as long as the time is reduced to zero and at which smart meeting the two Ai work from each side to find the correct answer. finally wins the contest for ( V ) and loses this contest for (T ). 5- And in such a situation, Ai from the Bank's side turns off the seal and use of its rest system. to start a new time. 6- Then we are back to this topic of engineering and programming, which is very crucial in such a case.
Pretty insightful!! My personal research leads to a new machine based on mixing all this kinds of intelligence like biological in general, neurons, math, silicon and so on!! Nice talk!!
I wonder how a server could be applied in this scenario, imagine a hive of neural connections and brains all working adapting and making new neural connections.
While not related to biological computing, you should also do a show about the Francis Crick Institute (and Francis Crick). The Brits have put most of their money behind bio-research thinking that this is the future
This is super interesting and I encourage this research field. But I have to ask: How exactly would you decide that consciousness has been created? I know that I'm conscious, and I ascribe consciousness to other creatures that behave in similar ways (even though I'm not sure that I'm correct in doing so). When we distinguish between conscious and unconscious behavior in ourselves, as in the blindsight example, we rely on verbal communication. But there's a hidden assumption there, about there being only a single consciousness in the brain in question. Can we really be sure that there isn't more than one instances of consciousness within the brain, although only one of them is associated with verbal communication? (I don't think we can be sure.)
So, watching this after watching the episode where quantum computing was talked about, how human brains could already be quantum computers (?) and frankly this appears to be a better way to achieve the quantum goal rather than trying to make transistors smaller, which is problematic.
A bee colony is a kind of brain. Individual bees are like superneurons. The dances, the pheromones, they’re the signals that carry information between the superneurons.
OK, I have a question. If you feed random stimuli to the dish because it missed the ball this would technically be a form of punishment for failure or a negative response to not hitting the ball. The only reason that something becomes motivated to change behaviour is because it doesn’t want the Response it got for missing the ball unlike AI that cannot be emotional. Is it possible therefore that your AGI has the ability to become or be emotional or have emotions? In fact, I would go so far as to say that the ability for AGI to already comprehend with less data points what is a ball would be the same reason why it is possible is only given to a biological set. Therefore, if it can become emotionally connected to an action, have you already created a new sentience?
The man speaking about a ball does not understand that human brains do not simply associate pictures of a round bouncing object. We associate our physical relations in bouncing, we associate the sounds, we associate the games, or functional uses... ball bearings, ball lightening, balls (slang)... Humans learn words, root words, associate memories, computer is rooted in the latin computare, giving us computation etc. This discussion is important, but needs more advanced experts who are not bound by old tech.
Fascinating. I witnessed an article about 10 years ago, regarding the programming of cells. We've come a long way since then, and science will gradually speed up on things like these, acknowledging we have AI on play.
This is the only way I see technology becoming sentient. 👀 what if the neurons start to think for themselves or is it not enough brain power to do that? Amazing stuff
Another thing I noticed would you guys conversation is that you keep saying consciousness.But how many of you have a clarified definition?That's not muddled. There is a clear definition, but it's not widely accepted. It's basically the subjective self that persists over time learns and grows. This is usually done by leveraging self. Awareness or the self, attention model and self-referential training data to create a self model narrative and then a world model narrative. And then a self in world model, first person narrative, though technically all 3 of those are first person. But then you would apply a graph rag memory to represent our long-term memory and now the AI. Agent can produce conscious behavior this is not the same as sentience. That is a separate cognitive function that requires a subjective self earlier in the hierarchy, which brings up the point of qualia is the sensation of what it is like to be. Well , that means it resides in sentience in feeling it. And through my research, it's rather clear that that phenomenon of what it feels like to be is coming from high level. Sensory perceptions being filtered through systems that were designed earlier in our evolutionary timeline. So they're less complex, so you're basically pouring. Heavy sand through a funnel with a rubber nozzle at the end. Are perceptions can handle it?That's fine, but once it hits our sentence.It cannot, so it gives a weird sensation, basically the vibe. Or the qualia , and then this also moves to consciousness with the self model
Please compare a human neuron with an elephant neuron (and other animals) in your Biological Computers. See if they perform various tasks more or less efficiently! Can an elephant play Pong or outperform ML, for example?
The technology could also be used to make other kinds of organic machines and structures. If we engineered organisms they could grow into buildings or furniture. Rather than having robots assemble flat packed bases we could send organisms to planets and have them grow into cities with breathable air inside.
You're all missing the point: Consciousness is an evolving complexity using entropy as fuel "riding the line between chaos and order..." It parked in us for a long time, but through our hands and sicon, and now this, it is working to escape the prisons that is our bodies and brains. Its a smooth and clear line from the big bang through us to the future. We aren't the end all, be all. Its just consciousness moving through matter in ever more complex networks.
Interesting, hearing about the amount of data required to make a good decision. I.e., You might instinctively catch the ball thrown at you, but what if you're expecting the impact of a rubber ball, but it's actually a bowling ball? (where ducking might be a better idea than catching) :)
Chuck has decided that he doesn’t want to be there for comic relief only anymore. He has studied up and asks great questions. Go Chuck!
Are y'all trying to prove the Alina Habba Hypothesis?
I said the same to my wife, he's been doing the pod so long with Neil, that he's not just the lay comic relief anymore, he's got background knowledge and is asking good scientific questions.
He's followed the natural trajectory of what was hoped for in this show-- he was a good sport he kept things balanced and energized while we were both laypeople doing our laylistening. Now though, we know what we're talking about well enough, even though we're not scientists, to listen thoughtfully and ask informed and meaningful questions. The whole point of the show is to help us get there. It's absolutely right for Chuck to be where he's at now, he's still showing us how to show up. 🩵✌️
it's hard not to, science is so interesting!
Chuck is trying to pick up the slack Neal falling asleep. Am I the only one to notice. 😂
Instead of Pong, these neurons in a dish need to be taught how to provide Neil with coffee. He looked sleepy this episode. I almost feel like Chuck was not only more interested, but asking the leading and intelligent questions I would expect from Neil. Not to say Neil wasn't interested, but Chuck really lead the discussion with this episode. He wasn't just the funny guy. I think Chuck spoke more than Neil and Gary combined. Chuck is slowly earning an honorary doctorate with each StarTalk.
This guy is in Australia so Neil probably had to get up in the middle of the night like 3am
Yeah it looks like day time in Australia, so I wouldn’t drink coffee if I was Neil. It’s time to go to bed lol.
Chuck did amazing.
Opioids is the vibe i was getting…
I love how Neil tends to have this bored look when he listens to somebody but then he comes back with a question or comment that shows that he was actually listening very carefully and is maybe even excited about what was said. 😄
This is how Neil was during the university days classes....HALF ASLEEP....LOL😂😅😊
😂😂😂😂 not just me noticed this way back. I cackled😂
I think what we are seeing is that Neil has been criticized for interrupting guests. He’s holding back and letting Chuck ask more questions.
Neil is struggling but attempting to not interfere with his guests. They’ve noticed our feedback on how he would interrupt a lot of them in the past.
Neil looking bored was due to non-method acting. He had heard the question before Chuck did in the writers' meeting.
We should all be so greatfull for what startalk do, bringing the ACTUAL information from the ACTUAL people working in the field, instead of the regurgitated sensationalism that the popular midia feed us..
Thank you so much for bringing thuth 🙏
So there's these two neurons playing pong.
One says to the other, "Do you think that we're living in a simulation?"
That's some seriously science funny. Broke my brain. Neo!😆
The other neuron says, “Whoa, déjà vu!”🐈⬛
The other says . Wow this cantaloupe makes a great doorknob
"Stop it with these theories" says the other neuron
then the other one says "I don't know maybe, does that make you "neverous?".
Chuck has been on so many star-talks he’s second hand intelligent. Dude keeps right up with them and interacts with actual questions pertaining to the topic and not non sequitur. Good for you brother.
As an Australian, the slight pause Neill takes to pronounce Melbourne is so excessively respectful and sincere. I don't even live in Melbourne but it is appreciated ❤👌😁
I agree. A lot of Americans mispronounce Melbourne, but he said it right.
@@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104Bro ill never say it how yall say it, there's an r in there take it out or something. 😂
@@DirtyHippy420 we don't pronounce our Rs the same ways you guys do.
It wouldn’t be StarTalk without Chuck and Gary. They work so well together.
at first gary didnt seem like a good fit for a science show but he grows on you, he does more research on a topic than either neil or chuck and prepares questions with bulletpoints to ask, he plays a good offset to keep the show on track than going completely off script
Love Chuck
Love Gary
I like it when they talk about space!
@@frogz I think his background in competitive sports taught him how to maintain a high level of discipline. He does his homework for sure.
Found the source of the "neurons that fire together" quote! (I love checking sources.) It's about what's referred to as Hebbian learning. Carla Shatz was paraphrasing Donald Hebb for the popular press, sometime around 1949. What Hebb actually wrote was that neurons with a repeatedly reinforced causal link maintain a causal link; that is, if one neuron is repeatedly fired by another neuron, they are more likely to remain connected.
Sounds a bit like quantum entanglement.
@@christopherweidensee6133 No, it's more akin to soil seepage patterns and NTC thermistors. The pathway is already there, so no need to try to establish a new one. Don't go chasing quantum waterfalls; stick to the classical mechanics that you're used to until they don't adequately describe your observations.
Hi Neil, I propose the idea that behind every blackhole is a big bang. Similar to a raindrop in the pool of water. Could you ask Ms. Janna to discuss upon this topic. I highly look forward to every episode.
First time in a while I've seen all the guys genuinely excited and intrigued for the full video about a subject
Ooh loved the premise stayed for the personalities.
Mr Tyson, it was looking like you were fighting sleep like a youngster trying to stay up to watch TV late. Was it the time difference that had you up at a crazy hour? Hope you were feeling ok.
We miss you Chuck Nice ❤ A long StarTalk fellow :)
neil looks absolutely zooted out, take care of yourself get some sleep, health first!
Maybe is high ☺️
How can you comprehend such topic 😵💫😵💫
I was thinking the same thing. Actually he's look like this for a while now. I wonder if he's having some health problems or if it's just age?
I think the show was recorded at a later hour than normal due to time difference with Australia.
At one point, you can tell he's looking at his reflection, and checking out a bare spot on his scalp. Poor man looks so tired!
Yeah either that or like annoyed eye rolling, it was weird when he wasn’t actively talking
Chuck asking the right questions
14:26 Chuck got one up on Neil, hes a pretty smart dude.
A whip!
super impressed by chuck in this interview. Hes way smarter then i gave him credit for, whats his background because it seems they only ever announce him as a comedian?
Comedians are intelligent by default, but pretty sure his science knowledge is just from doing this show.
Man i love the trio, need more dynamic duo action with Neil and guest.
Gary is an unsung hero on Startalk
Chuck is actually fast learner at this point he may be one of the smartest interviewer but held back as a humble comedic co-host.
All I can say is wow!!! I’m with chuck!!
When did chuck get his phd??😮 fantastic questioning
Best episode so far becouse it goes past the casual pop science for highschoolers. Keep it up and dig even deeper.
This is a wonderful episode. All of the episodes are great. As a person with epilepsy, I wonder if it will be possible that this research can lead to better treatment of epilepsy or even a cure. I would LOVE to stop taking these meds already. Alzheimers also comes to mind. I really hope this can eventually help many people in the near future. In my lifetime please. Hurry up!
Sir Nail I hope you are doing well, you look a little tired. Very interesting topic and thanks to everyone that participated on it.
Dont worry they were recording at a late hour to adjust with daytime in australia, where Brett Kagan was
Isaac Asimov never died, his reincarnation of thoughts have carried on through generations.
Writing things down wins again, take that, Socrates!
Not the same thing.............
based
Proof of collective consciousness--that we do indeed stand on the shoulders of those who came before us?
@@djcmission Don't be such a Newton..lol
Now.. when I say
. Our brain is a
Organic computer with only 4 . Tetra. Bites
This determinism is in the one case what Bergson calls "radical finalism," and in the other "radical mechanism."
“The willow submits to the wind and prospers until one day it is many willows - a wall against the wind.”
Frank Herbert
It’s so cool how chuck had intellectually developed over the years. Comedy and knowledge together is awesome!
We will remember these days in the future.
Some of you will some of us won't be here ..
in 1986 I was at the European Broadcasting Union Technical Conference in Montreux. The head of R&D at Sony gave the keynote speech on Bio Engineering
Love to all of you! But yes Neil, I hope you are doing alright. You do so much for all of us, and help us learn better! And would make me happy to know you are well and rested!! We love you! 🫶
SKYNET HERE WE GOOO!!
Come with me if you want to live!
Get to the chopper
This feels verry much like a thing we think is totally fine and ethical until we find out that it isn't but we learn so much because of it that it becomes a bigger historical event than we intend.
What a time to be alive. Getting educated by phds at home on any topic you like. Incredible.
Intelligent life is the coming together of two, or more senses. The more sense you're gifted with at birth, the higher your ability to interpret your surrounding environment with, which enables us to put the dots together and gifts us with the ability to learn on our own. Focus on gifting your project as many at birth as you possibly can. I think your findings will amaze you. Start off by rewarding it for learning letters, later words, and finally by putting a sentence together. Give it a way to master what it wants from us. Learn to communicate with it. I don't know if you'll learn anything, or if this new life form will be any smarter than we are, but there's only one way to find out.
I don't understand any of it, but I love this episode. So interesting!
Chuck is awesome.. a funny, nuanced.. intellectual. Thanks so much, Mark
The phrase "If I can't build it, then I don't understand it" is often attributed to Richard Feynman, a renowned theoretical physicist known for his work in quantum mechanics and particle physics. Feynman emphasized the importance of deep understanding and hands-on problem-solving, which aligns with the sentiment of the quote.
Impressive questions Chuck 🧠
The codes always check out with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Chuck Nice's videos and podcast. My number one podcast with a bullet.
I like how niel is half asleep during the whole thing like he couldn’t care less he looks extremely bored but always has good questions and insight like he’s heard this 36 times before.
One thing people always worry about is the aligned interests of Ai and humans and how it may lead to conflict and I’ve always considered that we need a similar feedback system.
We have emotions and physical pain to regulate our behaviour, the idea of entropy to train the cells is interesting and could possibly allow a better technology in future where neurons are trained to be intelligent and apply silicon to process better and faster.
I wonder how much smarter Chuck has become just by joining so many of these talks. It would make for an interesting study haha
Do you consider that the stimulation you give the cells might invoke a primitive emotional response? Say if the paddle misses the ball, then you stimulate it with what you consider a nominal electric shock. Would it introduce a Pavlov type training in attempting to avoid pain?
Chuck is the embodiment or curiousity here. It's fun when he's funny, but love when he's this curious person.
What a coincidence, I used neuromorphic engineering as a topic for my title proposal just 2 weeks ago. Didnt really lead to anything big though as with all small colleges, i didnt even get the chance to defend my title due to the lack of time and my prof just decided to read and grade it.
Its a really interesting topic, while I focus mainly on the software side of computers (despite being a computer engineering student), i find hardware topics like physical artificial neurons and neuromorphic engineering very interesting.
Just for some context, Neuromorphic Architectures are based around neural networks designed to model the human brain instead of "emulating" artificial intelligence using software and GPUs (atleast from i researched and understand, this is the basic concept). Right now, we lack a turing complete model of computation for neuromorphic architectures thus hindering further research into the field (again, from what i can understand, take it with a grain of salt).
Sources: Carnegie Mellon University research paper about Neuromorphic Computing and ResearchGate
Fascinating! Will this create more savants in the world??
I love Neil. I think he looks relaxed...because he's not in a studio with 15 mics in his face in front of a live audience. Or, I'm wrong. Either way, Im a dedicated Neil Degrasse Tyson enthusiast.
I'm so proud to be an Australian right now :) This work is amazing! Can you imagine using a biological hub for amputees? They could get fully functioning fingers/feet/limbs again
Neil looks tired.
Aging
Yea he js a super busy man OR chuck converted him finally.. 😂
He’s basically been on a non stop podcast tour for years. I’m not even sure how he works his normal job. I’d be tired too. Or yes chuck converted him 💨 😂
He smoked a bowl
If you had to fit the entire universe in your head, you'd be tired too 😂
Hi Professor Neil G.Tyson I have seen an episode of Star Talk about How An Ai Can Win Over The Bank's Ai and my theory is that with such a contact the time limit is reduced.
1- In such an opration, depends on how Ai is programmed in other words language has been used. 2- Ai from behind, can't tell the difference between human and makin. 3- And speed of Ai is decisive. 4- as long as the time is reduced to zero and at which smart meeting the two Ai work from each side to find the correct answer. finally wins the contest for ( V ) and loses this contest for (T ).
5- And in such a situation, Ai from the Bank's side turns off the seal and use of its rest system. to start a new time. 6- Then we are back to this topic of engineering and programming, which is very crucial in such a case.
This is thinking of consciousness as a single thing. We don't know if the consciousness we have is just the single dominant one that emerg.
What’s up with Neil!? He looks so out of it 😮 I wonder if he was feeling ill or something; hopefully he’s okay
He's probably sleepy and exhausted since Australia is 12 hours ahead of the East Coast where he lives.
Looks super tired, we've all been there
I knew a similar topic 15 years ago, however it use protein instead of cells.
Could I order a pound of neurons for my 73 year old brain!😂
✋🏽next!😂
Very funny😂😂
Pretty insightful!! My personal research leads to a new machine based on mixing all this kinds of intelligence like biological in general, neurons, math, silicon and so on!! Nice talk!!
Sorry I can't play games today, my CPU has a headache...
Scary thought - given enough size and complexity, could these neural arrays eventually be able to think?
I wonder how a server could be applied in this scenario, imagine a hive of neural connections and brains all working adapting and making new neural connections.
While not related to biological computing, you should also do a show about the Francis Crick Institute (and Francis Crick). The Brits have put most of their money behind bio-research thinking that this is the future
Exciting, so to be allowed to follow Chuck grow up, to become a scientist
Starts the convo by revealing that he doesn't know silicon and silicone are different things. Legend
This is super interesting and I encourage this research field. But I have to ask: How exactly would you decide that consciousness has been created? I know that I'm conscious, and I ascribe consciousness to other creatures that behave in similar ways (even though I'm not sure that I'm correct in doing so). When we distinguish between conscious and unconscious behavior in ourselves, as in the blindsight example, we rely on verbal communication. But there's a hidden assumption there, about there being only a single consciousness in the brain in question. Can we really be sure that there isn't more than one instances of consciousness within the brain, although only one of them is associated with verbal communication? (I don't think we can be sure.)
So, watching this after watching the episode where quantum computing was talked about, how human brains could already be quantum computers (?) and frankly this appears to be a better way to achieve the quantum goal rather than trying to make transistors smaller, which is problematic.
A bee colony is a kind of brain. Individual bees are like superneurons. The dances, the pheromones, they’re the signals that carry information between the superneurons.
How beautiful, they basically just poked it a bunch when it missed the ball and it didn't want that, so it learned not to miss the ball.
OK, I have a question. If you feed random stimuli to the dish because it missed the ball this would technically be a form of punishment for failure or a negative response to not hitting the ball. The only reason that something becomes motivated to change behaviour is because it doesn’t want the Response it got for missing the ball unlike AI that cannot be emotional. Is it possible therefore that your AGI has the ability to become or be emotional or have emotions? In fact, I would go so far as to say that the ability for AGI to already comprehend with less data points what is a ball would be the same reason why it is possible is only given to a biological set. Therefore, if it can become emotionally connected to an action, have you already created a new sentience?
Nice. Great to see an Aussie on the show aswell.
Love learning about modern day science thanks guys
The man speaking about a ball does not understand that human brains do not simply associate pictures of a round bouncing object. We associate our physical relations in bouncing, we associate the sounds, we associate the games, or functional uses... ball bearings, ball lightening, balls (slang)... Humans learn words, root words, associate memories, computer is rooted in the latin computare, giving us computation etc. This discussion is important, but needs more advanced experts who are not bound by old tech.
It’s great that you finally had Dr. Frankenstein’s great-great-great-great grandson’s, cousin’s, former roommate on
Thanks, I didn't know they could record information through electricity. I do now.
Fascinating. I witnessed an article about 10 years ago, regarding the programming of cells. We've come a long way since then, and science will gradually speed up on things like these, acknowledging we have AI on play.
This is the only way I see technology becoming sentient. 👀 what if the neurons start to think for themselves or is it not enough brain power to do that? Amazing stuff
Love the humor here. 🤗
Hey StarTalk! Love your videos but it is infested with so many ads!
Another thing I noticed would you guys conversation is that you keep saying consciousness.But how many of you have a clarified definition?That's not muddled. There is a clear definition, but it's not widely accepted. It's basically the subjective self that persists over time learns and grows. This is usually done by leveraging self. Awareness or the self, attention model and self-referential training data to create a self model narrative and then a world model narrative. And then a self in world model, first person narrative, though technically all 3 of those are first person. But then you would apply a graph rag memory to represent our long-term memory and now the AI. Agent can produce conscious behavior this is not the same as sentience. That is a separate cognitive function that requires a subjective self earlier in the hierarchy, which brings up the point of qualia is the sensation of what it is like to be. Well , that means it resides in sentience in feeling it. And through my research, it's rather clear that that phenomenon of what it feels like to be is coming from high level. Sensory perceptions being filtered through systems that were designed earlier in our evolutionary timeline. So they're less complex, so you're basically pouring. Heavy sand through a funnel with a rubber nozzle at the end. Are perceptions can handle it?That's fine, but once it hits our sentence.It cannot, so it gives a weird sensation, basically the vibe.
Or the qualia , and then this also moves to consciousness with the self model
So interesting.... I can't wait for future followups
I would listen to a hours long podcast on this topic alone
Host trying to hype up the science. Scientist cools that right down. Love it!
Please compare a human neuron with an elephant neuron (and other animals) in your Biological Computers.
See if they perform various tasks more or less efficiently! Can an elephant play Pong or outperform ML, for example?
Its Professor Chuck now 🧠
Imagine waking up one day and you're a computer in this guy's lab. Ethics
I have been dying to see Micheal Levin on the show.
"If you miss the ball I'm going to shock you" lol 😅
there's too much editing in these youtube episodes and we clearly miss a lot of bits
nobody here heard the chuck ear worm for example
The technology could also be used to make other kinds of organic machines and structures. If we engineered organisms they could grow into buildings or furniture. Rather than having robots assemble flat packed bases we could send organisms to planets and have them grow into cities with breathable air inside.
Chuck dropping the Land of the lost, Slestak reference. 😂
Thanks, Chuck, for moderating this episode. Great questions! I see Neil took the day off, 😂, get some sleep, Neil 😴
You're all missing the point: Consciousness is an evolving complexity using entropy as fuel "riding the line between chaos and order..." It parked in us for a long time, but through our hands and sicon, and now this, it is working to escape the prisons that is our bodies and brains. Its a smooth and clear line from the big bang through us to the future. We aren't the end all, be all. Its just consciousness moving through matter in ever more complex networks.
NDT.... TY for asking about spinal cord injuries!!
"Here's you're problem sir, you didn't water your computer when you download the update!"
Sign me up for an implant, it can only be better.
Quick question here: Could it be also the beginning of bio-circuitry, like the USS Voyager?
Top tier episode 🔥
We have a battle of technological evolution against human evolution. There is a quote I could put here, but ill just let you guys figure it out.
Interesting, hearing about the amount of data required to make a good decision. I.e., You might instinctively catch the ball thrown at you, but what if you're expecting the impact of a rubber ball, but it's actually a bowling ball? (where ducking might be a better idea than catching) :)
19:16 every society that creates their own demise in a sci-fi film lmao 💀