Great to see you upload ! :), and i did use to say “they wouldn’t be able to launch all boats in time and wouldn’t make a difference in death toll” but I see your point ! 😀
I don't buy completely into the idea that the crews of Titanic wouldn't have had enough time to launch any lifeboats beyond the 18 they did. Mostly because that idea is based on a flawed understanding of the issues involved with getting collapsibles A and B off the roof of the officers' quarters, which turned out to be an incredibly difficult task, one which took most of the sinking and didn't get done until the Final Plunge. Had A and B been right next to a set of davits, they could well have been filled and launched before the ship sank just as C and D were. In fact, the first boat to be launched weren't the two cutters where C and D collapsibles were stationed next to, it was Boat 7 (starboard) at 12:40 am with only 28 out of 65 seats filled. Boat 1 (a cutter) was launched at 1:05 am and had collapsible C next to it. A full 25 minutes after Boat 7! This means that there was still an hour before Titanic's final plunge and then sinking at 2:20 am and Collapsible C left at 2:05 am. Thus, if a boat had been stationed next to Boat 7, there was more than enough time to get it launched.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have enough time, it was just that they weren’t using their time very efficiently. They mostly wasted their time deciding who should be getting into the lifeboats and who shouldn’t since they knew they didn’t have enough for everyone.
So awesome you connect and work with other "SHIP PEOPLE" UA-cam-ers. I enjoy the " part time historian", and it's awesome how your style of presentation vary so greatly from his, yet both are informative. You win the trophy for the fun/entertaining portion, there is no doubt about that. Hope to see you two make a collaboration of some kind. Something tells me that Part time Historian would play along and fit with your style of presentation. Maybe a VS. Duel type of act where one tries to out do, or outsmart the other. I think he has in him that melow type of "everything suck, life sucks" type of monotone voice, it would suite him perfectly as a passive aggressive smart Alec type of character
... why everyone keeps dissing the Californian when they keep forgetting the actual circumstances (i.e. her boilers were on standby and would have taken hours to get back up to pressure, she only had one radio operator, meteorological conditions screwed with the horizon, among other things) during the sinking? The Californian was not in any way able to help the Titanic and was more than twenty miles away, in _ iceberg-infested waters_ no less. A more likely (possible) candidate would be a ship that was reported to be illegally sealing in the area, but even then it would be dubious given the small size of the vessel and the crew didn't want to get their asses hauled in jail because they literally broke international law (at the time).
Just discovered your channel! Huge fan! Very interesting and I love your editing. I feel like I miss some of your funny comments that you flash on screen...any way you could keep them there for a split second longer?! I don't want to miss anything 😊
I’ve got a suggestion, if you would consider it… how about the RMS Aquitania or as I like to call her, “The Grand Old Lady of the Atlantic” Thanks for the consideration and btw I love your video’s and I binged them until I was caught up lol!!
Honestly I wonder if it would have been possible for the Californian to get there before the Titanic went down since she'd shut down and would have had to make steam before she could get moving.
@@thomasackerman5399 both of you are wrong, her earliest deck plans actually show 16 lifeboats instead of 48 or 64 like most claim, as a matter those plans that show 48/64 boats where of Olympics deck plans after titanic sank.
Great video, yes It was believed at the time that any liner on the very busy transatlantic route would never be that far from another liner if assistance was required, therefore help would always be nearby. This wasn’t flawed thinking, as the SS Californian (bastards) was quite close by and could’ve saved all of the titanic’s passengers most likely. The movies portray the Californian Crew as regarding the titanic’s flares as some sort of party lights for celebration or whatever. Was that typical for the time or any time to shoot off flares for fun? So frustrating! They were so close and could’ve saved a lot more lives. But it does go to show the white star lines logic was not that off at the time.
Its too bad they didn't have the raw materials to build last minute life rafts. Just a couple boards tightly screwed or nailed together with a layer or two of plywood for a bottom wouldve been sufficient enough to keep from getting too wet. And it wouldve only taken 15-20 minutes per raft to make. You could probably get away with 4 or 5 people per raft. If you have 10 work stations churning out 10 life rafts every 15 minutes and get 5 people seated. thats 10 life rafts x 5 people = 50 people would be saved x 10 workstations= Thats 500 people saved every 15 minutes.
@@will-qw1tk it’s a quite often repeated myth. but “On A Sea Of Glass” says different. Looks, passenger comfort, or deck space played little to no part in the lack of lifeboats.
They didn't remove it because it made the boat deck and promenade spaces look crowded, that's more of a myth than anything else. It was primarily done as a rare cost cutting exercise by White Star Lines.
Everyone spends so much time blaming, they miss the most shocking truth: HMHS Brittanic sank in an hour. Titanics crew had been selected due to previous experience. So they already knew the grim truth: there was not enough time to launch the boats and due to her size it would likely be fatal. They knew for example the boats could slip from tje davits and break in half if loaded to capacity. However, RMS Titanic stayed afloat for a surreal amount of time, more than two hours. So the crew did persist in launching all boats. However, if they had done the drill, they would have known of two improvements, steel reinforced spines and improved davits. The drill could have saved 300 lives. But truly, it is a miracle than any survived since the crew believed Titanic would take all souls aboard if she foundered.
Fun fact, the Titanic's original designer (before Thomas Andrews took over) actually had accomodations for up to 63 lifeboats. Ismay and the other owners of White Star forced him to reduce the number out of concerns that Passengers would be scared off by seeing so many boats. The designer resigned from Harland and Wolff shortly after, possibly over this issue.
That actually isn't quite true. That's a mix of Hollywood and other myths mashed together. Alexander Carlisle did indeed design the Olympic-class to have up to 63 lifeboats, but it was not reduced down for deck space, looks, or anything else like that. It was a rare bit of cost cutting by White Star Line. Carlisle did not quit because of that issue. That is only an unsubstantiated story. The reality is that he retired due to failing health and the official decision to cut back on lifeboats was not made until well after. If Carlisle and Andrews ever had any heated arguments about it, we have no way to know about it short of time travel.
"Among the community I refer to as, 'The Boat People'" got me 😂
Hello fellow boat person
@@myopiniongoodyouropinionbadl actually agree with you ❤😂🎉.
Do I know the reason Titanic didn't have enough boats? Yes
Did I watch several videos on this topic? Yes
Will I watch this video ? Yes
Great to see you upload ! :), and i did use to say “they wouldn’t be able to launch all boats in time and wouldn’t make a difference in death toll” but I see your point ! 😀
I don't buy completely into the idea that the crews of Titanic wouldn't have had enough time to launch any lifeboats beyond the 18 they did. Mostly because that idea is based on a flawed understanding of the issues involved with getting collapsibles A and B off the roof of the officers' quarters, which turned out to be an incredibly difficult task, one which took most of the sinking and didn't get done until the Final Plunge.
Had A and B been right next to a set of davits, they could well have been filled and launched before the ship sank just as C and D were.
In fact, the first boat to be launched weren't the two cutters where C and D collapsibles were stationed next to, it was Boat 7 (starboard) at 12:40 am with only 28 out of 65 seats filled. Boat 1 (a cutter) was launched at 1:05 am and had collapsible C next to it. A full 25 minutes after Boat 7! This means that there was still an hour before Titanic's final plunge and then sinking at 2:20 am and Collapsible C left at 2:05 am. Thus, if a boat had been stationed next to Boat 7, there was more than enough time to get it launched.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have enough time, it was just that they weren’t using their time very efficiently. They mostly wasted their time deciding who should be getting into the lifeboats and who shouldn’t since they knew they didn’t have enough for everyone.
I always thought the Aquitania had the right idea by also including two motor launches equipped with wireless, and which could tow other lifeboats
Post-Titanic ideas though.
@@samwecerinvictus A fair point; hindsight is 20/20 and the Aquitania had the benefit of still being under construction.
Britannic was the first ship in the world with motor launches; Aquitania, being Britannic’s rival, Cunard had to add them.
Did anyone else notice the Mr crabs at around 4:00
So awesome you connect and work with other "SHIP PEOPLE" UA-cam-ers.
I enjoy the " part time historian", and it's awesome how your style of presentation vary so greatly from his, yet both are informative. You win the trophy for the fun/entertaining portion, there is no doubt about that. Hope to see you two make a collaboration of some kind. Something tells me that Part time Historian would play along and fit with your style of presentation. Maybe a VS. Duel type of act where one tries to out do, or outsmart the other. I think he has in him that melow type of "everything suck, life sucks" type of monotone voice, it would suite him perfectly as a passive aggressive smart Alec type of character
... why everyone keeps dissing the Californian when they keep forgetting the actual circumstances (i.e. her boilers were on standby and would have taken hours to get back up to pressure, she only had one radio operator, meteorological conditions screwed with the horizon, among other things) during the sinking? The Californian was not in any way able to help the Titanic and was more than twenty miles away, in _ iceberg-infested waters_ no less. A more likely (possible) candidate would be a ship that was reported to be illegally sealing in the area, but even then it would be dubious given the small size of the vessel and the crew didn't want to get their asses hauled in jail because they literally broke international law (at the time).
I thought I was the only one who doesn’t hate the Californian or her crew.
Whelp... I just binge watched this entire channel. Well done and bravo! You have earned one more subscriber.
Just discovered your channel! Huge fan! Very interesting and I love your editing. I feel like I miss some of your funny comments that you flash on screen...any way you could keep them there for a split second longer?! I don't want to miss anything 😊
What is that green cartoony image that momentarily flashes on the screen near the end of the video?
I’ve got a suggestion, if you would consider it… how about the RMS Aquitania or as I like to call her, “The Grand Old Lady of the Atlantic”
Thanks for the consideration and btw I love your video’s and I binged them until I was caught up lol!!
We actually did learn something this time
I enjoy your videos and have noticed you saying MACRONI instead of MARCONI a couple of times.
Beautiful
You should make a video about the SS France or SS Rex. Btw, remember me when you become famous.
love your videos :)
Honestly I wonder if it would have been possible for the Californian to get there before the Titanic went down since she'd shut down and would have had to make steam before she could get moving.
It's Marconi, not "Macroni" which you say several times.
He did correct that when he said it
1:33 Oops, that ain't the Florida
When are we getting Andrea Doria?
did you know that the original shipyard plan included 32 lifeboats? there are drawings still available
It was originally upwards of 63 lifeboats, but the number over time got cut down to 32 and then 20.
@@thomasackerman5399 people wanted to see the views and the Titanic was called unsinkable
@@cfgeneric7677 Not true. It was a rare cost cutting move by WSL and never did they nor H&W call any Olympic class ship that.
@@thomasackerman5399 both of you are wrong, her earliest deck plans actually show 16 lifeboats instead of 48 or 64 like most claim, as a matter those plans that show 48/64 boats where of Olympics deck plans after titanic sank.
Do a video about the battle of Hampton roads in 1862
Like the ships are USS Monitor and CSS Virginia
Thats my video idea
Great video, yes It was believed at the time that any liner on the very busy transatlantic route would never be that far from another liner if assistance was required, therefore help would always be nearby. This wasn’t flawed thinking, as the SS Californian (bastards) was quite close by and could’ve saved all of the titanic’s passengers most likely. The movies portray the Californian Crew as regarding the titanic’s flares as some sort of party lights for celebration or whatever. Was that typical for the time or any time to shoot off flares for fun? So frustrating! They were so close and could’ve saved a lot more lives. But it does go to show the white star lines logic was not that off at the time.
Its too bad they didn't have the raw materials to build last minute life rafts. Just a couple boards tightly screwed or nailed together with a layer or two of plywood for a bottom wouldve been sufficient enough to keep from getting too wet. And it wouldve only taken 15-20 minutes per raft to make. You could probably get away with 4 or 5 people per raft. If you have 10 work stations churning out 10 life rafts every 15 minutes and get 5 people seated. thats 10 life rafts x 5 people = 50 people would be saved x 10 workstations= Thats 500 people saved every 15 minutes.
Ocean liners tended not to have lots of plywood, screws, and nails just lying around on the off chance.
I know i left that 1911 cordless black & decker around here somewhere...
Fun fact she was meant to have 65 lifeboats however it was crossed out due to space and it made the ship look crowded.
and the evidence for this is…?
I think it was said on titanic: birth of a legend.
@@will-qw1tk it’s a quite often repeated myth. but “On A Sea Of Glass” says different. Looks, passenger comfort, or deck space played little to no part in the lack of lifeboats.
They didn't remove it because it made the boat deck and promenade spaces look crowded, that's more of a myth than anything else. It was primarily done as a rare cost cutting exercise by White Star Lines.
at least britannic got it in the end
It’s Marconi, not macroni.
hi i love your vids you never fail to make me laugh
Everyone spends so much time blaming, they miss the most shocking truth: HMHS Brittanic sank in an hour. Titanics crew had been selected due to previous experience. So they already knew the grim truth: there was not enough time to launch the boats and due to her size it would likely be fatal. They knew for example the boats could slip from tje davits and break in half if loaded to capacity. However, RMS Titanic stayed afloat for a surreal amount of time, more than two hours. So the crew did persist in launching all boats. However, if they had done the drill, they would have known of two improvements, steel reinforced spines and improved davits. The drill could have saved 300 lives. But truly, it is a miracle than any survived since the crew believed Titanic would take all souls aboard if she foundered.
SS Californian is not a liner is a cargo ship
Although designed to carry cargo she had capacity for 47 passengers.
So she is a mixed Between a cargo ship And the Passenger ship
@@randombelugamanl actually agree
one reasone why england sucks at rescue
What SIRIUSXM channel do you think Phillips and Bride were listening to?
Margaritaville
@@tnbella7 mmm. You are a wise man
I love the Californian jokes
Nice
didn’t quite agree with every single point, but a good video nonetheless. :)
Fun fact, the Titanic's original designer (before Thomas Andrews took over) actually had accomodations for up to 63 lifeboats. Ismay and the other owners of White Star forced him to reduce the number out of concerns that Passengers would be scared off by seeing so many boats. The designer resigned from Harland and Wolff shortly after, possibly over this issue.
That actually isn't quite true. That's a mix of Hollywood and other myths mashed together. Alexander Carlisle did indeed design the Olympic-class to have up to 63 lifeboats, but it was not reduced down for deck space, looks, or anything else like that. It was a rare bit of cost cutting by White Star Line.
Carlisle did not quit because of that issue. That is only an unsubstantiated story. The reality is that he retired due to failing health and the official decision to cut back on lifeboats was not made until well after. If Carlisle and Andrews ever had any heated arguments about it, we have no way to know about it short of time travel.
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