The media’s hypocritical hysteria over campus protests
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- After seven months of Israeli bombardment, Gaza’s education system is in ruins. But, if you’ve turned on a television in the U.S., you would think it was American universities under siege. MSNBC’s Ayman Mohyeldin calls out politicians and pundits for their hypocritical hysteria over campus protests.
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This is some dangerously honest journalism.
And on MSNBC. That's the scarry part. I hope Ayman has a long and successful career on reporting the truth.
He chooses to have a soul over money.
they know that everyone knows whats going on now, I guess you could call it damage control, but we have all this digital proof that they are complicit
Anyone notice how UA-cam deletes comments?
Even normal tame non hatred, non offensive ones
Very weird
👏👏👏
I'll be surprised if he still has a job next week
This is what he’s talking about! Hypocrisy ! you’re allowed with one side Only . This is what Democracy, Liberty, civilization and Freedom and let’s Not forget the PEACE part
@@nahidayassine7419 It is what Herbert Marcuse called the One-Dimensional society, where radical opinions are marginalized for the sake of a shallow society.
Me too
Free 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸America from AIPAC
I agree - he should be fired
Thank you Ayman for calling out this unwarranted hysteria from the media. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Hysteria is always unwarranted.
The media have been driven crazy by the idea that some young people have a conscience.
Yes. These young people are amazing. They sure know right from wrong.
Great comment user, lovit!
They might have a conscience, but they lack anything resembling facts. They think with there hearts not there minds, we're all doomed if these people are the future. VOTE RED let's get back to common sense and end the liberal globalism
The irony is that the other MSNBC hosts were some of the ones with this hysteria.
When could they have done that when all they discuss is Trump 24/7.
@@markd8508 hahaha! they have TDS bad
@@markd8508 OMG, the Vlad bots have arrived, Moaning Joe ain't on 24/7, even the MSNBC head honchos have enough sense to ensure that.
So is Fox, Karen.
@@DRKrust492 A Karen says Karen
Excellent reporting. I'm 49 years old and I'm not going to let these kids fight this nightmare in vain.
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Ok, wait a minute…is corporate media really allowing people to hear the truth?! Is he really saying that. You mean no more gaslighting us? Do his bosses know about this?😲
Probably getting fired, unfortunately
I'm really surprised that mainstream media is telling the truth for once
I hope Medhi has a place for him
Being anti Israel or anti the Palestinians is investing in a reality of continuous conflict, since neither Israelis nor Palestinians will ever disappear or be disconnected from their eternal Homeland.
Rudy Rochman
@@MegaRzen No, because only one of those two sides has been systematically wiping out the other. So anyone who supports that side, is no good.
Ayman THANK YOU for speaking truth on a very corporate platform. True bravery knowing your job might be on the line for not going with the mainstream propaganda.
Downloaded before this gets deleted and Ayman gets Mehdi-ed.
😂😂😂😂
I hope he does get "mehdi'd"!
He can always work for the Qatari/Iranian/Hamas "media" hydra.
@@jaialaiwarriorwhy not.
Good to know.
Ayman is going to get the Medhi treatment.
I worry about that also.
Facts! He's being called upstairs right now! You know they are not going to let him get away with this. I'm glad he's telling the truth.
theyre both hacks
Mehdi will give Ayman a job at _Zeteo._
Like that would be the end of his life. If I were him I would leave in protest and expose everything I can or at least try to establish myself independently.
These so called mainstream media will be out of business within the next few years.
The hysteria has been intentionally created in order to create a false impression.
Corporate media calling itself out 😯 how is this allowed to air on tv❓
middle of the day on a sunday afternoon perhaps? still pretty freakin shocking - but THANK YOU ✊
The dark is losing the fight. They have to surrender. 💪☀️🌟
Mehdi, Ali, Tiffany Cross, Chris Hayes, they always did, Ali and Chris still do.. Chris has this same reporting about the protests... Here's why... All of them are Liberal or Progressive.. Chris and Mehdi are Progressives....
Aymin, Chris Hayes, Ali Velchi and Mehdi always have.. Chris and Ali are Progressives and or liberals..
How many women got to attend their University
@@princevegeta-sonarab women are educated bro
MSNBC calling out media for hypocrisy.....hilarious!
If you were actually paying attention, you’d see that MSNBC coverage was among the objects of Ayman’s criticism.
No matter what is done, people will never be happy and always criticize 🙄
The fight is not over, give MSNBC another chance.
@@RichardGrijalva Of course MSNBC was in there. They're the ones who are actually really freaking out about this stuff. More than fox news I would actually argue.
MSNBC, the voice of Hamas and 10/7. They must be so proud.
I can't believe this dude hasn't been fired for calling out the hypocrisy in reporting.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t this gentleman on TV next week for this country is not allowing any different voices anymore. The corporate media has been bought as jerky politicians.
Now you know how a conservative feels
Sadly and criminally, McCarthyism will always be alive and well in your country.
@@GGableThis is the one thing both sides share, being silenced.
How can there be any excuse for this, and especially the hospitals? How can anyone accept this?
I'm not sure anyone should accept any of this. Unfortunately these protests are only calling out one side though. Not only do they not condemn H@m@s but they chant their slogans. Perhaps out of ignorance but none the less.
And if all these are hamas-bunkers?
Looking in from the outside it is difficult to discern. We do know for a fact that H@m@s intentionally places their weapons and bunkers near and/or under schools, hospitals, and neighborhoods though. That may be a primary reason Israel dropped pamphlets encouraging Palestinians to leave the area. Sadly, Egypt has closed their boarders to Gaza and obviously Israel is not going to let them in. Worst yet are the reports that h@m@s will not let them leave even if they could.
And why is this the first we're hearing of this place and all its promise?
@@valloj118 Is it your usual practice to throw the baby out with the bathwater? Or just when a far-right political party rationalizes it by exploiting the legacies of very real victims?
Wait. You actually said it. You stood up for what's right and said it on MSNBC. I'm stunned. I thumbed up and subscribed. We need more heroes in journalism like you! Thank you!
They'll fire him soon for this
@@oryxthetakenking8275 So you want to live in a world where there are no freedom? you want a totalitarian authoritarian rule? idiotic. you people are so brainwashed. wow.
Same
Don’t subscribe to MSNBC. He’s one of the only reporters talking about Israel’s “Jenna-side”. I’m sure they’ll fire him for speaking the truth like they did with Mehdi. Their shows like Morning Joe might as well be on Fox News, OAN, or newsmax with the amount of IDg propaganda they spout
@@oryxthetakenking8275 Well, if they keep him and he continues to stay true to journalistic values, I will stay subscribed. If not, I will go where he goes and support him
My students are protesting the murder of Palestinians, not in support of Hamas. There is a differences.
Well when Hamas is using people as human shields what do you expect Israels military to do. What exactly is your solution?
This is a lie.
Stop lying!! Your students ABSOLUTELY ARE celebrating Hamas!!! I will admit that there may be a SMALL HANDFUL that are truly just protesting the deaths of women and children. But the MAJORITY absolutely love Hamas and everything they stand for! And this is why we are seeing horrific signs and slogans being chanted such as "We love Hamas!", "Death to America!" And pictures of rats in trashcans with the word "Jews". It is disgusting and evil!
@@robertgodlewski8553 The solution is not killing children.
@@derpeth2101 The problem is that's not the way Hamas looks at it. They are using human shields. How do you fight them without innocent casualties?
This guy is going to be fired
he should have been fired and never hired.
Didnt that happen to Medhi Hasan?
@@MichElle-zc9tuthe truth hurts your feelings
Im surprised this guy isn't getting fired from nbc for going against their lies.
He's also going against Fox's lies too, then. Because they're both saying the same thing about the protests.
@@combatepistemologist8382 And CNN. Don't forget CNN. CNN is more rabid Zionist and against Palestinians than some on Fox. Dana Bash and Anderson Cooper are absolutely horrible on it.
Oh just wait for it...The Zionists are zeroing on him. Lol. But at least he's on the right side of history
@@combatepistemologist83821:40 😅
@@selfish-perverse-n-turbulent 3:03 🤣
Thank u for telling the truth
FINNALY THE TRUTH COMES OUT...AIPAC OFFICIALS ARE GRINDING THEIR TEETH AS WE SPEAK 😂😂😂😂
Hahaha...the truth hurts...
How tf is MSNBC allowing someone to tell the truth on air
Bro. I hope you get protected.
Brother you are awesome! Finally some truth and accurate reporting in western media?! Speaking up for those without a voice - thank you ❤
Some mainstream media are putting this protest like it was 1968 during the Vietnam War
Except a lot of the media supported those students back then but now their master's won't let them, at least till they start to lose money then they will change their tune.
@@grsafranBack then protesters were on the right side of history. Today they’re fascists antisemitic terrorists.
the students this time around were WAY more organized
@@originaldpcommander8336 most of you weren't even alive back then. Those students didn't support terriorists.
@@originaldpcommander8336 Well, yeah! Everyone is connected by phones and social media these days.
MSNBC calling out hysteria is the most hilarious thing I've heard today.
He’s calling out his own network too.
It's humorous, yes, because MSNBC contributes regularly to this hysteria.
But you should probably just evaluate the statements on their own and not weigh them against what your image of the network is. This is one of the first times I have seen an American news outlet mention anything about their biased coverage and I agree with every word that was said here.
After you're fired, please start your own journalistic venture. I'm following you on whatever platform you end up. You're speaking truth to media powers. Stay safe my amigo . . . .
❤ 🙏👍 Thank you so much for telling The truth the real news... Those students protestors are so brave.. they have a Good heart .a Good human being.. They are doing the right thing. they are fighting for human rights for humanity..the genocide must be Stop.. so much people already died..35000 innocent being killed... nantanyahu is a war crime
.we must lock him up Stop the killing..😢
Well msnbc, speaking of hypocritical discussions around the Gaza issues... have you heard Morning Joe lately??
Morning Joe is disgusting on this issue.
Very disappointed in the skewing of protests to be anti semitic by Morning Joe. Students want universities to stop using $$ to invest in armaments ....the US keeps the war machine running ...makes $$ on arms sales to Israel and other countries...
Do you mean the old uncle who embarrasses his whole family with inappropriate comments?
Joe and Mika are just mouthpieces for AIPAC lobbyists and Israel. It's sickening how much they support Biden who is willing to sacrifice the lives of our service men and women and tens of thousands of innocent people in Gaza , for his own personal reelection goals, while he bows down to Netenyahu. Who by the way has NO respect for him or America, or anyone else.
Well, I'm not American, but I follow your political life very closely. My understanding is that MSNBC is a channel very close to the Democratic Party. This party is a melting pot of different political sensibilities. I think the MSNBC's journalists and commentators reflect this diversity. And I think diversity is good. So...
Even if you get fired, just remember that at least you stood up for humanity...
Money has blinded the politicians to see the differences between genocide, war crimes, brutal colonial occupation, trasprent Apartheid and self defense.
Thank you for speaking truth in a space sorely lacking in it right now. You're a real one, Ayman.
Free America from AIPAC!
I agree. They control the media, and many politicians are both sides of the aisle.
Be careful, you might get banned from youtube!
AGREED!
YES
From Muslims you mean
Keep up the good work Ayman!
Thank you Ayman.. ❤
Let me try to understand.
A. Private university, i.e.,private business.
1. The university has rules and regulations regarding where and how to make rallies and protests.
2. Students violated the rules.
3. Students get smoked by the police😂
Play stupid games, win stupid prices!
The issue is not protesting, or even hate speech (protected 1st amendment).
The issue is their rights to protest is affecting other student rights to study. Easy!
IM crying when i see them it remember me the Vietnam Era .. theses kids are back as it was on the 70 s 80 s on the fight for more humanity ....
My daughter goes to FIT and it’s true. They’re sooooo empassioned and really tuned in. They’re gonna change things for sure ! Let them protest !
They can't let the status quo continue. Good job on the students.
oooh boy you going to get Medhiid
Finally, some truth in mainstream news media outlets.
i too call truth what i want to hear!
"FINALLY what I want to hear from in mainstream news media outlets"
SEE my thesis works!
Pro terrorist propaganda
May all of humanity awaken to the terrorist psychopaths who are pulling the strings behind the curtain..
Is rules to protesting just like any other person or any other group of people that want to protest in America you got to follow the rules you got to get permits you got to you can't block the road you can't stop people from from getting an education but they are doing it it's actually literally video footage of Palestinians stopping people and checking them to see if they're Jewish and they are they are they stopping them from going into college is that right no so way all then people is on the Palestinians side way is that not over that help with the war a fundraising for medical help for medical equipment why did they not doing that is not doing anything America people feel like that you mess with us now
@@nunyanunya4147this is why truth and justice is so important
Ayman thank you
Joe Scarborough STILL in the background clenching his fists
Can we get someone at MSNBC to ensure that Joe Scarborough watches this segment? Clearly he spends an hour in wardrobe getting his hair done every morning so he's got some free time to fill while he's getting ready.
Yes! ✊😸
There is no way that he can stop talking long enough to listen to another person finish a complete sentence, let alone a full segment.
THANK YOU AYMAN, especially since plenty of the coverage coming from MSNBC has also been the grist for this hysteria. Good on you for saying this there.
If only the so-called journalists and elected representatives would invest this much energy into citizens who are unhoused, jobless, children going to sleep hungry, and senior citizens without any means.
Thank you for reporting the obvious and truth
One can't depend on corporate media to always report accurately. Their goal is to have good ratings, not truthful news.
If MSNBC is criticizing Isreal then there must be some truths now haha
God bless you sir because are a courageous person.
He says "the media" as if MSNBC isn't part of the media
Thank you for your bravery reporting in this perspective.. Alot of journalists are afraid to stand up and speak the truth...
Excellent reporting. Exposing the media bias, even on his own network. I like this guy. 👍
the media inluding this one helped created this kind of environment. this is on msnbc as well
I’d pay to see a secret AIPAC meeting right now 😂
Thank you, Ayman.
fully agree with piece, but ayman should be careful, its well known that pushback against isreal leads to suspension or worse :(
So much truth.
Probably get you taken off air, truth isn't allowed where Israel is concerned, but thank you.
Wheres your outrage for the people across this globe who are actually being exterminated unlike the Palestinians?
This is called journalism, speaking the truth at last. Great job. All those corrupt liers will be ashamed. The truth will win.
My friend do your research. Wow
@@AnthonyTabares🤣👍🍻
@@AnthonyTabaresenlighten us, then
He lied. Palestinians are muslim and overwhelmingly in support of Hamas
@@Digger-Nick what’s your source?
Not hypocritical, it is political. MSNBC won't cover this or any other story which hurts Biden.
MSNBC, like all MSM mostly has a corporate, status quo bias, not so much a Biden one. This show is ON MSNBC & he included clips of other MSNBC shows in his critique. How is that “not” covering it? What other major networks have allowed hosts to voice this opinion & include their own network in their criticism?
You realize this is literally MSNBC?
How would this hurt Biden?
@@timogul Biden is trying to ride the fence, being on both sides of the issue and it is not working for him.
will you hateful right wing gaslighting sociopaths go away?
As a moderate/conservative I fully agree that the media on the right and the tv media on the left, is embarrassing itself when it comes to free speech and the coverage of these protests. Luckily there are people on both sides of the aisle seeing through it.
Here is to hoping more broadcast like this, shed light on the true violence, not perceived violence.
Me, too. The fact that I am pro-Israel does not blind me to the truths conveyed in this video: Israel has been too heavy-handed in Gaza. Nearly demolishing a university in Gaza on shaky military grounds was callous to say the least.
And when it all comes crumbling down around you, at least you can say you were righteous.
I am ANTI-conservative. I am a Green, an Atheist, an Animal Rights Vegan. I proudly vote Marxist or Socialist.
I am NOT anti-war. I am PRO-WAR for the side of justice. I do NOT know if this makes me leftwing or liberal or not.
But, do all these channels think they are being leftwing/liberal because they side with Israel and think Israel is leftwing/liberal for standing up for homosexual/LGBTQ rights and freedoms?
I am ANTI-conservative. I am a Green, an Atheist, an Animal Rights Vegan. I proudly vote Marxist or Socialist.
I am NOT anti-war. I am PRO-WAR for the side of justice. I do NOT know if this makes me leftwing or liberal or not.
But, do all these channels think they are being leftwing/liberal because they side with Israel and think Israel is leftwing/liberal for standing up for homosexual/LGBTQ rights and freedoms?
Democrats aren’t leftist unfortunately. We don’t have representation on tv.
This reporting is absolutely correct in every way.
No wonder all those hypocrites are trying to ban TikTok, can’t handle the truth 😀
Thank you for speaking out against the crazies & for free speech.
Free speech is one thing violence and obstructing other people's rights is another
Freedom of speech but not freedom to riot and destroy property and stop students from going to class
Asotruetheydocateforthemselvesandtgerestoftouaresfightingforthemsillybutrue
The truth hard toaccrpt
Umm the crazies are the people chanting for Hamas.
Ayman, you may soon be joining Medhi. Keep it up in the meantime.
So much destruction. When I watched it when it happened on other news media, I felt sick. Israel is on the decline.
Hats off to you mister!
Thank you Ayman... Thank you for being honest and putting things in appropriate perspective . This all needed to be said!
How many Hamas terror tunnels under that university?
Ask the IDF, they built the tunnels. As per Ehud Barak. Remember his interview with Amanpour?But you don't want to.
About as many as under the hospitals 🙄
Bunch of liars!
@@lorenam8028 no tunnels? K
Let's talk about the jewish tunnels in New York.
@@MrSarcasticOne OK, Let’s. Are Jews firing ballistic missiles into civilian populations from them? Have they taken hostages?
Ayman Mohyeldin will not have a job next week but thank you for telling the truth
Thank you Ayman for having conscience, humanity and being true to your journalistic integrity
We need more voices like Ayman on MSNBC now that they got rid of Mehdi.
Two things can be true at once. Encampments, violence on campus is going overboard. However, Israel is also going overboard!
How? Have all the prisoners been released?
I am baffled how disliking the ruling party of Israel actions is antisemitism. I also alarmed how so many in this country are equating all Palestinians as hamas. If you liked Rabin and what he was striving for, but don't like Netanyahu and his hate, you are antisemitic? It is like what the magas preach, not liking trump or liking Biden is unpatriotic.
You need to watch real news. Most of the palestinians hate the jews period. Hammas is impeded and assisted in homes, hospitals, schools,everywhere. They voted Hammas in. Have you watched what happened on Oct 7? Have you heard the things these students are saying? If Gaza is in ruins it is Hammas fault, not Israel's.
Student uprising has been the heartbeat of what is right and what is wrong. Tomorrow's intellectuals is what give me hope for the US. While the most of the US is blinded by one sided coverage of the war in Israel, it is the youth's of America who are getting real news from Social media of what is really happening in the war. Pictures and video don't lie... Hope they don't silence you Bro(Ayman)...
Thank you MSNBC for airing this. Finally a mainstream TV outlet that is analyzing the protest movement honestly, sensibly, and ethically. For all those slandering the protestors with flimsy evidence, I do not know how they sleep with their guilty conscience.
Thank you for the bravery to speak out against the rest of the media. They honestly need to pull their heads out of their echo chambers and wake up to reality.
🤦♂️🤡
Thank you for shining light on the hypocritical hysteria!
Thank youu Ayman!
Takes courage to speak the truth like this!
Thank you for speaking the truth about Palestine and and the protests on MSNBC. A change for MSNBC. I hope you get to keep your job. I had stopped watch MSNBC but now I may start watching again.
finally some decent coverage from msnbc
I was wondering what was happening with our media!? 😢
Some of the critics may be correct, that many people will be radicalized, but that is what we should expect when a people are denied all that most of us expect as the basis for existence.
Crimes against the Palestinians have been ongoing for decades. The theft of land for Israeli Settlers has denied Palestinians the ability to grow their own food. Israel, and the International Community have denied them the right to Statehood. Now they are denied the right to education, the right to eat, the right to exist.
Israel, with the full support of the U.S., have destroyed homes, hospitals, schools, attacked aid workers and are currently engaged in a policy of starvation.
more propaganda financed by iran and qatar
And you probably feel the same way about America.
They wouldn’t be denied anything of the weren’t constantly denying Israel’s right to exist and attacking them, or asking their neighbors to attack, and then lose hilariously quickly.
@@barries85 yep facts .. if america was invaded and the choice was israel or hamas its pretty easy to decide that one
Nice propaganda. But no.
All of this can end in one day all Hamas has to do is surrender and give up all the hostages but they won't do it I have no sympathy for these people.
Hamas has agreed to a ceasefire. Israel rejected it
Ayman, that was close to perfection. Seems many people can't see the forest for the trees. Keep up the great work.
finally someone has ball to tell truth in the main stream media.
Well let's see what is going to happen after he gets a talking to. Many have done so before, all of a sudden stopped talking about the topic or reversed course. If not they were fired.
@@ingehanson For the record, Mehdi Hasan has not been fired. He was offered a consulting position at the same salary. He declined the offer. He prefers to speak his mind.
Muslims neglect education, he lied to you and you ate it right up.
Thank you for standing up for protestors and showing the hypocrisy against media and their hosts, even the ones on MSNBC. I want to hear more stories from this man
I am shocked they have not canceled your show! I hope they never do!
Ayman, thank you for not playing the news speak game and delivering us some truth about Gaza. God bless you and your family.
Thank you for your courage
To destroy the entire complex with the artifacts inside"CRAZY"
nothing was inside,
They always try to destroy others histories.
@@footletuce1376 they've been practicing genocide since the beginning of time
Diabolical
Some artifacts were taken by ldee Effe from museums . There are videos of them removing artifacts and relics and taking them to storage facilities.
Democracy Now has top-notch coverage on all of this.
Thank you for getting to the reality of the situation and the inability of the press to talk about the real situation going on at these protests.
I am shocked that such an honest journalist still exists in America's AIPAC media.
There are a precious few left.
Lying is journalism? No wonder mainstream media is a joke, YOU are the problem.
👏🏽👏🏼👏🏻👏👏🏾👏🏿✊🏽
You have my respect Ayman….hopefully this raw honesty doesn’t result in you losing your job.
I hope they don't fire you for projecting the true journalism. Bless for your honesty in repo.
Thank you Ayman for calling attention to this slandering of students mostly by rich donors to politicians and universities and encouraged by mainstream media. You and a few other news journalists speak truth. These students are better than the adults of this nation. They give me hope.
*The Guardian*
5/2/24
"A new report [from the ACLED Project] found that 99% of pro-Palestine protests at US colleges have been peaceful...While some notable violent clashes have recently taken place, such as on the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) campus, where demonstrators and counter-demonstrators fought at a student encampment overnight on 30 April. ..."
Brown Univ. Professor of Holocaust and GenocideStudies visited the UPenn alongside fellow Israeli historian Raz Segal and said there was no violence or antisemitism there. Bartov was on Democracy Now talking about how antisemitism is being weaponized.
Other professors at other universities concur.
@@Michael44wynz Those were attacks on the anti-gen-0-side encampment by pro Israeli government outsiders, including using fireworks as weapons. It was one-sided.
Is that why the DOJ has over 150 active investigations against these pro palestinian protesters violating other us citizens civil rights? Wake up
@@Michael44wynzmaybe the Jewish students being harassed have a different take. No liberal professor has the right to disqualify what happened to those students.
Biden is toast.
If Trump is elected, Muslim immigrants and Gaza are toast. A lot of Middle Eastern profs will be sent packing. And after seeing these protests, most Americans won’t object. Even if they hate Trump. Think carefully about what you want.
How so?
Not at anything
I ain't voting for him . I see him as a war criminal and a monster
Bide a walking barely fossil
Finally, a sane take on the situation from a “legacy” media source! Thank you!!!
I share the concern that your job is in jeopardy…
Im Amazed this piece is Being Allowed by Our Undeclared Masters
Preach
When will you call for the release of the innocent hostages?
on both side you mean? because they both innocent hostages
call who? Hamas? Do you have their number? don't be ridiculous. They are protesting THEIR MONEY financing daily massacres of children via THEIR Universities and THEIR taxes. Of course the hostages should have been released from day one but Netanyahu did NOT want that.
@@tucorrect1965 only one side has hostages. Israel has prisoners who committed heinous acts, like stabbing police officers who're directing traffic.
@@itsmytoast666 lolz miltary court for under age and children?
@itsmytoast666 you're delusional
ayman is a m ohammudun but forgot that January 17, 2024, came long after October 7, 2023. We will never forget!
so it’s okay to destroy their history but theirs should be untouchable?
Thank you for your honesty and reality that you are reporting. I have longed for this truth to be said on MNBC and other networks