my father started playing at 72... he's actually getting pretty good. and it's causing him to discover new/old music as well. he loves your show too! thanks guys.
I have to say that for me, I wouldn’t want to own a guitar like the “Hendrix” strat. I’d be afraid to play it, I’d be afraid to display it, and I’d be afraid to have anyone know I had it. To me, the magic and mojo is not in the thing. It’s in the music that Jimi left us with that will forever inspire new generations of guitar players to pick up their instrument and push the boundaries. He was such a gift to the world and was taken way too soon. But I think the ‘real’ guitar should be displayed like Claptons blackie. Not owned and stuffed under a some millionaires bed. I’ve seen blackie. I looked at all the marks and scratches for about 30 seconds. And then moved on, grabbed a custom shop strat off the wall and played my own written music, that was inspired by EC.
@@lucasoheyze4597 yessir. And going even further into the vintage market… many players hunt for the vintage stuff because of inspiration from the greats from the 60’s and 70’s. The funny thing is that those guitars were pretty new when they used them to record our favorite stuff. That’s why I go for the vintage inspired new stuff… vintage vibe and style (and typically very close to vintage tone) and all the playability and reliability of new gear. David Gilmour sounds just as great on his fender custom shop reissue of his black strat.
Fine art, vintage wines, gambling, real estate through shell companies, NFTs, etc. The worst part is that almost nobody monitors these markets and thanks to social media influencers, there are a lot of suckers out there willing to throw away their money.
If I could get away with ripping off a millionaire I would lol. That's my thought process until I find a job haha. Had a serious injury last November and have been on the hunt for work from home. No luck. So yeah I'm ready to rob if I had to
Gentlemen: please don't take this the wrong but may I made a suggestion. I did not follow the Paul Davids Hendrix mess, so I am at a bit of a loss. I am sure other may be as well. In your video, if it was me, I would have explained what exactly happened in the debacle. Then, go into your presentation.
Agreed! I'd no idea what this was about and thought they'd go over the story before taking over the conversation. Googled the story to understand the context of the video.
Yes they are quite aggressive, and going in for the hard sale,, and that doesn't work in 'guitarland' If they had proof it would be their pleasure providing the details of authenticity, because it aids the sale🤷🏼♂️
They have provided their claimed “neck grain match” image to a few of us, but it hasn’t helped their case. The image they used of the original guitar was a very low quality version, which is so grainy and pixelated that I’m shocked anyone found it conclusive. The same image of Jimi they used as a comparison is available in *much* higher quality, and comparing the grain of the purported guitar to this image, it does not look like a match at all, to me. The real guitar had straight grain down the back of the entire headstock, which the purported guitar doesn’t match.
My .02..FWIW... I love Paul Davids and I think he was taken advantage of because of his good nature and the size of his channel to get his buy off on the guitar. There are other channels with large followings as well, but they only invited him. That just confirms it for me. God bless him though, I think he just got caught up in the moment.
I used to just watch you guys every so often to see the guy who doesn't use a comb when he gets up, but I have to say with time I found this to be a pretty good little channel. I do enjoy your vids. It's like conversations between myself and other players. Also you guys do vids on helpful things like warning people of frauds, etc. Thanks for putting out the concept.
Love your UA-cam channel, I can watch you guys chatting all evening, you are actually way better than 90% of pro TV presenters. You are so natural and funny, and genuine. Keep it coming guys!
It's funny how most famous players back in the day just wanted a road worthy guitar. They really didn't think about the value since it was just a tool for their craft or profession.
Especially Jimi, who would play guitar for a few months til it was beat up, then sacrifice it and move on to another one. Just like he did with the real Monterey strat, which was very likely the black strat he burned and smashed at the Ambassador Theatre in Aug ‘67, with the same red leather strap it wore in every picture prior… ;)
I'm the same way I don't care how much my guitars r... I have a few custom shops love them all and they r all going to my son when he grows up and im no longer here... I love a good vintage lookin guitar... CS reliced guitars aren't my main thing but hell if the guitar plays and feels amazing then I'm buying... sadly I'm lefty so its impossible to find guitars at all in shops let alone a CS.
"Bull Durham" is the absolute best baseball movie. Kevin Costner's talking about the casting and the casting partnership that resulted is fun to watch and listen to as well. Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins got married. Crash's soliloquies are great!
I really enjoyed the Paul Davids video but really enjoyed the fact finding and deep dive in the CGS videos. Paul is a great guy and was just enamored with the guitar like any of us would be on first sight. But what a fascinating investigation into the history of that Strat. I wonder if the true identity of that guitar will ever come out. Perhaps it was a Hendrix owned Strat just not the Monterey one. Good luck proving it though without bonafide evidence.
The real sad part is the monetization of history. If the guitar really were the Hendrix Monterey Strat, it should be in a museum, not hidden away in some private collection.
Oh men, can you imagine a sequel to the adventures of Ford Fairlane with the basic plot of national treasure just changing the constitution for the Monterrey strat? Get me Andrew Dice Clay on the phone!!!!
The real one was very likely the black strat Jimi burned and smashed at the Ambassador Theatre in Aug ‘67, for a number of reasons. There are two photos of a black strat at those shows. That show was only a few weeks after the real one was last seen at Forest Hills, and the one he smashed at the Ambassador was wearing the same red leather strap that the Monterey strat had in every photo ever taken of it (Saville, Monterey Pop, Panhandle, Fillmore West, Whiskey A Go Go, and Forest Hills). I have a few other details about this I’ve put together including firsthand info from someone who was at all of the Ambassador Theatre shows. Edit: and to clarify, that particular guitar was far from playable after Jimi got done with it, lol. The body was broken, the neck tossed, and its remnants were signed by Jimi and left to the theatre. It was stolen many years later.
There are masses of fake vintage guitars in the U.K. I’d avoid Denmark St like the plague. The place has been a tourist trap since the 90’s. These vintage pieces are made by the same company who got sued by the Hives for selling fake vintage Hi-Watts. But there was a production line in the 1980’s of old Strats being turned into “vintage ones”. Most British guitarists know of the people responsible. What’s sad is how many live in denial.
Not to mention a sea of lashed up supposed original Marshall bluesbreaker combos Not to mention the fair amount of stolen to order vintage guitars and amps All roads as they say lead to Rome 😉
It's unfortunate for Paul Davids because his enthusiastic naivety got him into trouble. But in a way, it has been a welcome reminder for other enthusiastic naives (like myself) of the many pitfalls of the vintage guitar market.
The more I see about the whole ‘vintage scene,’ the more of a modernist I become. Sure, there are timeless designs and finishes from the ‘50s and ‘60s, but there’s no reason those can’t be applied equally well to quality instruments made today (and with-GASP!-added knowledge applied!). Also, there are tons of pretty damned cool guitar types that DIDN’T exist before 1970. Vintage might give you that extra 2%, but to me, the difference for most is 98% psychosomatic.
Not to mention most vintage fender guitars werent made by “master luthiers” like modern day. Fender custom shop guitars are better made guitars than about any pre cbs vintage guitar. I love vintage guitars but it’s become ingrained in a lot of peoples mind that they are the be all end all, which they aren’t.
We old musical farts (not my best imagery😏) would pass up the occasional factory junk duds, and today some of those are marketed as 'Mint Vintage, found in a closet' after sitting intentionally untouched for decades. "Hi$toric $trat$" now...
Paul may have overdriven his headlights a bit here. He has generated a great deal of trust and respect among a wide, wide viewership. My sense is that he is a vigilant steward of that trust when it comes to the products he himself creates and can control. But I don't think he saw these people coming. For me, sat at home, simple things like the neck plate and headstock decal set off all sorts of alarms from the get-go. I can't imagine what it might have been like getting caught up in the moment.
I’ve been lucky enough to own a number of classic vintage pieces, but I’m in my 60s and some of them weren’t very old when I bought them. I bought some vintage guitars back in the days when they were considered to be just “old” guitars rather than vintage.
You two are awesome! First video I've seen but such genuine delivery, feels way less business and more like a UA-cam channel. I always like the less scripted feeling guitar channels. Paul is awesome though! Taught me a lot early on.
Did anyone watch the live at Monterey footage where Jimi lit the guitar on fire then smashed it into two pieces I would’ve thought that would’ve been researched before hand
Back in the early 1980s I guy vaguely knew was selling a rosewood board cream colored Telecaster. He wanted $450 for it. It looked like an old one. I asked to take off the neck and look in the body cavities for markings. Long story short, there were no markings of any kind anywhere. I hadn't heard about the period Fender mandated no markings after someone found an obscenity written in a guitar. I passed on the Telecaster, as money was tight and I was looking for a maple fingerboard Tele. I probably passed on an early 1959 Telecaster for $450. Of course, $450 in 1982 is equal to $1300 today. Still that guitar is worth a lot more than $1300 now.
FTR, if I'm buying a vintage guitar I want it disassembled as well. I'll buy a new set of strings if I don't buy it, but I want to make certain there aren't any strange routes or foreign bodies being used, the neck and the body match. All that good stuff. But this vid re-enforced what I've come to believe over the last few years, if I'm going to spend $8K+ on a vintage guitar I'm going to get a nice custom shop without the issues. Good talk guys, good talk. I want to play thru that Mike Campble amp!
It just doesn't make sense to me, that Fender would authenticate it as THE Monterey guitar when there are so many differences that stand out. At any rate, great video as always and appreciate you looking out for the mortal consumer!
I've got 2 vintage guitars that I'm proud of. One is a 1939 Kalamazoo archtop, it's not a Gibson. But for the 150$ I paid for it I'm happy and the neck is straight, (they didn't have truss rods). The other is a 69 Yamaha 12 string that I know for a fact did the club circuit in Britain until 1974. I can genuinely believe that Jimmy Page or some other British guitar hero from that period played it and there's some DNA/mojo from one of them in that fretboard. I only paid 175$ for that one.
I agree completely with your take. Anyone in Paul's place would have jumped at the chance. If it's not real, then there are culpable people that need to be held accountable, but I don't think he's in on any kind of scam.
Agreed. I feel pretty bad for Paul in all of this. He posted on his Instagram before he went there that he was so excited he couldn't sleep, and in his video I think it's genuine when he says being picked to play the guitar was a life achievement (can't remember his exact wording but it was something to that effect). I don't even know if the person(s) who own this guitar believe it's real or not. They might have bought it back in 2012 fully believing it was what it claimed, and are now stuck with a high-dollar investment that has very little value. There are a few things that leave me very suspicious of them, though: (1) Heritage Auctions withdrew the guitar from auction in 2017, stating they had concerns about it not being the Monterey strat. If the owner(s) were innocent and clueless prior to that, then surely it must've set off concerns that they would investigate, right? (2) The fact that the seller(s) picked a person with huge reach and extraordinary video-making skills to put attention on the guitar, and told him that a few potential buyers were lined up, all while teasing an outrageous value to millions of viewers. (3) The follow-up by the people involved with the guitar after the many glaring issues with the guitar were called to attention (not only by several youtubers but also by a major guitar website). They have tried to debate, argue, and threaten their way around all of it, insisting that there is no credibility to any of the issues we've pointed out. Personally, if this were my guitar, and I believed it was genuine, I would be very concerned by the numerous clear issues that have been pointed out, and instead of arguing about them I'd be trying to get to the bottom of them. And if it turned out the guitar was a fake, I wouldn't be going after the people revealing it -- I'd be going after the original sellers.
I'm not really into the "vintage" market because you can't trust people to be honest as to the pedigree of an instrument. The neck on that Strat looks too new. The oldest guitars I have is a Martin 0028-EC 1997 and a Joe Bonamassa Gold Top Epi 2012 and both have documentation. I want an instrument that sounds amazing and plays to my hands and ears. Great video guys! I appreciate you - from Apex, NC
It was sad what happened here. How cool would this have been if it was real!! Paul’s great and knowledgeable. Things are not always what they seem. We can’t expect what we don’t inspect 👍✌️
There’s a video from a couple years ago of Paul reed smith doing a fan forum in guitarguitar Camden and he says in Denmark street someone handed him a guitar saying it was a legit vintage artist owned guitar and he immediately knew it was a fake from the feel of it. Didn’t say what the guitar was or which shop but it has to be this strat that caught Paul David’s out
Not sure I entirely agree with Derek on the podcast that Paul D is responsible, It’s not like we are all going to be rushing out to buy a £1m+ vintage guitar and anyone who is should have their experts check it! I am sure Paul D is as sad about not getting to play the real thing as anyone, but with cease and desists flying around, he is probably a bit more careful about what he says 👍
I imagine anyone who can afford to purchase a historically significant guitar/amp/gear probably has a great deal of business experience and know what to look for in provenance.
About a minute in and you guys haven’t given context to what the video is about, just something to think about. Love the show Edit: and now Paul’s video is private, very interesting
I think the most obvious difference between the guitars was that Jimi’s had 4 springs in the back. But that could have been changed I suppose. It was still an awesome video!
Vintage instruments are challenging to authenticate; like artwork, the prices attract unsavory actors into the game. Emotion does not help you see a financial transaction clearly, Many of the guitars used by famous musicians back in they day were new, or only a few years old. Some of these musicians no longer use their vintage instruments outside of home or studio because of the increased value. I find the vintage instrument market and mysticism entertaining. Certainly many top purveyors of vintage instruments are doing well financially, buying and selling; which should tell you all you need to know about the vintage market. I'm not a collector, most of my guitars I purchased new and still own them; they become vintage since I purchased them. My oldest used guitar is a '37 Harmony Cremona V archtop; it cost less than new archtops, and much less than comparable pre-1950 Epiphone, Gibson, D'Angelico, Gretsch, etc. archtops. Now my vintage one-owner '62 Hammond and matching Leslie are a different story; but I also have documentation and original owner's purchase receipt. ;) Cheers!
I feel for Paul, as the excitement in his face holding a guitar that may of been a Hendrix guitar was nice to see, the genuine glee of a guitarist holding a new/dream guitar which we all do, bringing back that child with a new toy, emotional quality (feel good factor) as we all have a different idea of what we want in a beautiful guitar.....then boom the shit show kicks in and it seems he's taking shit in the fall out from alot of sides, I feel Paul has been taken in and kicked a bit.
It unfortunately definitely not Hendrix’s strat. No blame on Paul. It’s completely the stores fault and they need to take ownership. Authenticity from an ex roadie should have been the first red flag.
Great discussion guys. Thanks. I don't own any real treasures other than the guitars that have aged well over the past fifty to sixty years. Wow there may be a couple of goodies...at least I don't have to buy guitars I already own. Best to the both of you.
when i first saw the article a few years ago 2015/16 and the auction info that was available online at the time ( very scant tbh ) their seemed to be a bit of doubt because of the decal back then in Paul David UA-cam video it seemed like it was the first look at it up close since the auction - from the appearance in the Paul David UA-cam video 📽️ up close - it seemed like someone built that instrument after inspecting the original or studying photographs of the original - and copied it with whatever parts they could find at the time - possibly , maybe , probably , perhaps , etcetera .. .
Wow, the tone of this video is serious - didn’t know you guys were capable of being serious! 🧐🤔🧐🤔 I tend to think it’s possible it might be a Hendrix Strat (maybe one he didn’t use it on stage, but in a studio, for fun, and/or for media photos), but that it’s not the Monterey strat based on the evidence I’ve seen. My issue is that the owner of this supposed Monterrey strat won’t show anyone else the provenance and that they’re threatening lawsuits left and right - which are especially directed at the CGS channel, which is unfair. Mike really dug much deeper like anyone else doing their due diligence before dropping $10 mil. It’s ok to raise concerns and questions. We all want it to be the Monterrey strat. The owners claim it is, but they seem to desperately be against proving it - I know people are worried about forging papers and such, but CGS offered to look in private and sign an NDA to verify what he saw. They refused. A really legit auction house obviously questioned the provenance as well and cancelled the auction before CGS took it much further to do some serious examining; we don’t really know what the auction house’s appraisers saw or heard that was doubtful. If nobody is willing to talk, it just makes people leery, and with good reason. I’m hoping they can verify that it’s still a Hendrix strat from other photos now that we know it’s not likely the Monterrey. If the owner isn’t willing to step up and show someone trustworthy proof, they aren’t going to likely sell it for their asking price either. It’s not their best interest even if it’s the real deal. Makes no sense, but I hope they start talking and explaining more.
On the subject of the people controlling the estate- yeah, as a teen I bought a Jimi Hendrix album from a cassette tape bargain bin. His was mid 1980s, I don’t recall the name. It was a bunch of instrumentals, some didn’t have a clear ending or beginning. It kind of sucked. In hindsight it was probably a jam session he never intended to release. It was years before I gave Hendrix another shot. My point is, making that decision to make a few bucks on a crappy product probably hurts the value of he brand in the long run.
People who have $10 million don't play guitar - they spend their entire life focused 100% on making money. That Strat will be put in a warehouse next to the Pagani that they drove twice, the da Vinci painting they don't really care for, and the title for the condo on Billionaires Row in Manhattan that they purchased for a tax write-off.
A buddy has a '65 Parts Strat that has Hendrix signature on the underside of the guard. 2 other signatures are of former Manny's Music (NYC) employees. Is it REAL? The signature has been verified, but he doesn't believe it was owned/played by Jimi. Who knows. It's just a good Strat.
I just almost bought a gibson custom shop that literally every guitar dealer in the state was unable to verify if it was real. How insane is that. So the poor guy had to sell it for 700 bucks because the paper work wasn’t with it and it’s so good that if it’s fake someone put some stupid time into making it what it is to be able to fool a dozen shops.
Who knows how the chain of custody played out for a touring musician who died 52 years ago. I feel like if it wasn't documented back then, there's no honest way of verifying what is or isn't the actual property of Jimi Hendrix.
"I'm a private guy about the guitars I have ..." Even though I own a guitar store, and have a UA-cam channel promoting guitars, etc. Just because I turn out videos playing my guitars; I'm not promoting!
At 2 minutes... I've argued that logic when people compare LPR9s vs 59 bursts. If you only have £5k in the bank, it's not that big an extravagence to spend it on an R9. To spend £300k on a burst, I'd need to have a lot more than £300k in the bank. £5k is a lot of money, but it's a level of money most people could raise in an emergency. 300k is a whole different ball game. The sonic difference between the two is a lot closer than distance between having 5k in the bank and 300k. I'd need £10million in the bank before I'd think about spending £300k on a guitar.
Good rule to live, and do business by is the bigger the prize the more the incentive for someone to get up to shenanigans. So adjust accordingly. Interesting side note. My 2011 Custom Shop Time Machine 55 P bass was an NOS model, but the body was stamped "RELIC". I wonder, are all CS bodies stamped "RELIC", or only the aged models?
@@charlesbolton8471 which is weird because it’s the only tier that is specifically done with no aging. As per the CS site. “An all Lacquer finish that hasn’t aged at all- as if you went back in time and bought it.” All CS Time Machine bodies must be stamped Relic in case they end up being used on one, I suppose.
When I watched that vid, It didn't cross my mind it could not be the Hendrix strat. I don't fault Paul Davids here though. Nobody, not even someone with boatloads of cash likes to be ripped off, not for 100$, not for 10 millions $. Research, research, research. Buyers beware.
I wished you would talk about the UA-cam channel "Music is Win" You got to have rockin roll is a company that uses Tyler, and his Music is win UA-cam channel to sell vintage guitars that belonged to famous people.
I wouldn’t want to own a vintage instrument that belonged to a famous guitarist. Sure I could see myself modding a guitar to be similar to it, but the real deal? Nope. For me the closest I would go, would definitely be a custom shop. Most probably bought from Casino Guitars, or Wildwood.
What if I said that I have a set of Snap-On sockets and ratchets that belonged to Dale Earnhart's head mechanic, and I want 5 million dollats for them? After all, these sockets have "The Mojo". You just can't tighten a 9/16 bolt unless you use one of these, right? Most people would probably say "Whatever it is that you're smokin, pass it over here, let me try some" or 'Youre out of your mind" And rightfully so. A good mechanic can put engines together that will win races all day with tools you can get at O'Reillys. Hendrix would probably say something like "Whats the matter with you guys? Its only a guitar! Its a real good one, but its really just an off the rack Stratocaster" "Forget all this other crap and just play the damn thing!!"
Maybe all of this madness is just the result of misplaced priorities. The whole point of guitars in the first place was to make music. The money men have whipped up all of this idolatry and hysteria that has turned the tools of a trade into objects of worship. About 10 years ago, I decided I wanted an old Strat, but I didn't have the price of a brand new car to spend on a guitar, so I took about 3 years rounding up enough old parts to make a partscaster Strat, and it looks like an old one. (in a kinda sorta way, it is) It plays and sounds real nice, and I learned an enormous amount in the process. Collector/investor/brokers turn up their noses at it and people who actually play think it's just fine. If you can enlarge my little thumbnail picture to your left, you can see it. It would be great if we could drop the idolatry and just get back to making some compelling music with these things, we might have a chance at regaining sanity, but i guess the almighty bottom line will have its way with everything on this Earth.
My perspective - Hendrix wasn't known for taking particularly good care of his Strats. Strats from the 70's were a dime a dozen, meaning they were built to be an everyman's guitar. Those two factors makes it questionable to spend an insane amount of money on such a guitar. Even with a strong providence. That being said, to each his own.
The only way that I would be in the market for a vintage guitar would be that I hit the lottery. My first call would be to you guys. I have my plan in place now I just need to hit the lottery.
I definitely think these things are a case of if you have a wide UA-cam reach that you don't mind marketing to in order to make a good living, you have a certain responsibility to those folks to vet things like this rather than just jumping in. Paul seems like a decent person, but him putting it on his channel is a sort of endorsement of what these guys claim.
I can’t play like Jimmy. No way would I Ever EVER spend a huge amount for a guitar. I have a 594 10 top and that’s as high as I go. Next one will be my dream acoustic maybe…D-45
I don’t understand that market. It could be cars, guitars or whatever other items that a celebrity or legend owned or played does nothing for me. My answer would be, that’s great
That tuner situation was ridiculous… I don’t care if it’s been a month, did you misrepresent the guitar (intentionally or not)? Yes. Fix it. A lot of these dealers only have their reputation… why risk that? I would never buy from a shop like that. Doesn’t matter who the internet sides with, I wouldn’t buy anything from them which means there are definitely others.
my father started playing at 72... he's actually getting pretty good. and it's causing him to discover new/old music as well.
he loves your show too! thanks guys.
Awesome 👍
I have to say that for me, I wouldn’t want to own a guitar like the “Hendrix” strat. I’d be afraid to play it, I’d be afraid to display it, and I’d be afraid to have anyone know I had it. To me, the magic and mojo is not in the thing. It’s in the music that Jimi left us with that will forever inspire new generations of guitar players to pick up their instrument and push the boundaries. He was such a gift to the world and was taken way too soon. But I think the ‘real’ guitar should be displayed like Claptons blackie. Not owned and stuffed under a some millionaires bed. I’ve seen blackie. I looked at all the marks and scratches for about 30 seconds. And then moved on, grabbed a custom shop strat off the wall and played my own written music, that was inspired by EC.
Very very well said! The magic is the musician, not the instrument.
It’s going to be sold to a rich person to a collection, where it won’t be played. Might as well go to the Hall of Fame instead
If I had billions I'd buy it. Play it at a show & then f@cking burn it
Very true...say Hendrix had taken one more step and picked up the next guitar on the rack, that one would become THE Hendrix Strat instead.
@@lucasoheyze4597 yessir. And going even further into the vintage market… many players hunt for the vintage stuff because of inspiration from the greats from the 60’s and 70’s. The funny thing is that those guitars were pretty new when they used them to record our favorite stuff. That’s why I go for the vintage inspired new stuff… vintage vibe and style (and typically very close to vintage tone) and all the playability and reliability of new gear. David Gilmour sounds just as great on his fender custom shop reissue of his black strat.
Like "fine art", vintage guitars seem to be a good way to launder money and/or avoid taxes.
Fine art, vintage wines, gambling, real estate through shell companies, NFTs, etc. The worst part is that almost nobody monitors these markets and thanks to social media influencers, there are a lot of suckers out there willing to throw away their money.
I bought a gibson with pot money in my 20's.
Hopefully!
If I could get away with ripping off a millionaire I would lol. That's my thought process until I find a job haha. Had a serious injury last November and have been on the hunt for work from home. No luck. So yeah I'm ready to rob if I had to
@@benink5690 What’s wrong with people being millionaires? That’s a serious question. I’m interested in what you say.
Gentlemen: please don't take this the wrong but may I made a suggestion. I did not follow the Paul Davids Hendrix mess, so I am at a bit of a loss. I am sure other may be as well. In your video, if it was me, I would have explained what exactly happened in the debacle. Then, go into your presentation.
Agreed. Even if the situation is well-known, a 60-second intro to it couldn't hurt.
2nd this, I have no idea what they were talking about...
Agreed! I'd no idea what this was about and thought they'd go over the story before taking over the conversation. Googled the story to understand the context of the video.
Yeah, and much of the relevant videos are deleted so It takes a good bit of searching to work out what happened.
Ditto, Roger THAT! ☘️😄
Its not Hendrix's strat. They company that owns it refuses to actually show any evidence. They wouldnt sue if it was real.
Yes they are quite aggressive, and going in for the hard sale,, and that doesn't work in 'guitarland'
If they had proof it would be their pleasure providing the details of authenticity, because it aids the sale🤷🏼♂️
They have provided their claimed “neck grain match” image to a few of us, but it hasn’t helped their case. The image they used of the original guitar was a very low quality version, which is so grainy and pixelated that I’m shocked anyone found it conclusive. The same image of Jimi they used as a comparison is available in *much* higher quality, and comparing the grain of the purported guitar to this image, it does not look like a match at all, to me. The real guitar had straight grain down the back of the entire headstock, which the purported guitar doesn’t match.
My .02..FWIW... I love Paul Davids and I think he was taken advantage of because of his good nature and the size of his channel to get his buy off on the guitar. There are other channels with large followings as well, but they only invited him. That just confirms it for me. God bless him though, I think he just got caught up in the moment.
Or maybe they thought he'd be the easiest to fool...😎
Thanks for handling this with class. Paul Davids is a great teacher and brings tens of thousands of people into music.
I used to just watch you guys every so often to see the guy who doesn't use a comb when he gets up, but I have to say with time I found this to be a pretty good little channel. I do enjoy your vids. It's like conversations between myself and other players. Also you guys do vids on helpful things like warning people of frauds, etc. Thanks for putting out the concept.
Easily one of the worst looks on UA-cam. Taking "BAD HAIR DAY" to the next level......lol
@@rodrossi9749 LOL, yeah it's obviously done on purpose, but it looks funny as hell. That said, I like their channel pretty good.
@@justiceforall6412 .... yep.....they are knowledgeable and entertaining......good combination.
@@rodrossi9749 I quite agree
Love your UA-cam channel, I can watch you guys chatting all evening, you are actually way better than 90% of pro TV presenters. You are so natural and funny, and genuine. Keep it coming guys!
It's funny how most famous players back in the day just wanted a road worthy guitar. They really didn't think about the value since it was just a tool for their craft or profession.
I'm the same.
Especially Jimi, who would play guitar for a few months til it was beat up, then sacrifice it and move on to another one. Just like he did with the real Monterey strat, which was very likely the black strat he burned and smashed at the Ambassador Theatre in Aug ‘67, with the same red leather strap it wore in every picture prior… ;)
Before they nailed Jesus to a cross, it was just a regular cross.
You instantly know who focuses on their playing or their gear on youtube comments.
I'm the same way I don't care how much my guitars r... I have a few custom shops love them all and they r all going to my son when he grows up and im no longer here... I love a good vintage lookin guitar... CS reliced guitars aren't my main thing but hell if the guitar plays and feels amazing then I'm buying... sadly I'm lefty so its impossible to find guitars at all in shops let alone a CS.
"Bull Durham" is the absolute best baseball movie. Kevin Costner's talking about the casting and the casting partnership that resulted is fun to watch and listen to as well. Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins got married. Crash's soliloquies are great!
I love guitar's. Your show is great, guitars and a good laugh. You guys bring me joy. Some day I'll buy a guitar from you.
I really enjoyed the Paul Davids video but really enjoyed the fact finding and deep dive in the CGS videos. Paul is a great guy and was just enamored with the guitar like any of us would be on first sight. But what a fascinating investigation into the history of that Strat. I wonder if the true identity of that guitar will ever come out. Perhaps it was a Hendrix owned Strat just not the Monterey one. Good luck proving it though without bonafide evidence.
The real sad part is the monetization of history. If the guitar really were the Hendrix Monterey Strat, it should be in a museum, not hidden away in some private collection.
Oh men, can you imagine a sequel to the adventures of Ford Fairlane with the basic plot of national treasure just changing the constitution for the Monterrey strat? Get me Andrew Dice Clay on the phone!!!!
I disagree guitars need to be played not sitting in a glass case
The real one was very likely the black strat Jimi burned and smashed at the Ambassador Theatre in Aug ‘67, for a number of reasons. There are two photos of a black strat at those shows. That show was only a few weeks after the real one was last seen at Forest Hills, and the one he smashed at the Ambassador was wearing the same red leather strap that the Monterey strat had in every photo ever taken of it (Saville, Monterey Pop, Panhandle, Fillmore West, Whiskey A Go Go, and Forest Hills). I have a few other details about this I’ve put together including firsthand info from someone who was at all of the Ambassador Theatre shows.
Edit: and to clarify, that particular guitar was far from playable after Jimi got done with it, lol. The body was broken, the neck tossed, and its remnants were signed by Jimi and left to the theatre. It was stolen many years later.
There are masses of fake vintage guitars in the U.K. I’d avoid Denmark St like the plague. The place has been a tourist trap since the 90’s.
These vintage pieces are made by the same company who got sued by the Hives for selling fake vintage Hi-Watts. But there was a production line in the 1980’s of old Strats being turned into “vintage ones”. Most British guitarists know of the people responsible. What’s sad is how many live in denial.
Not to mention a sea of lashed up supposed original Marshall bluesbreaker combos
Not to mention the fair amount of stolen to order vintage guitars and amps
All roads as they say lead to Rome 😉
It's unfortunate for Paul Davids because his enthusiastic naivety got him into trouble. But in a way, it has been a welcome reminder for other enthusiastic naives (like myself) of the many pitfalls of the vintage guitar market.
The more I see about the whole ‘vintage scene,’ the more of a modernist I become.
Sure, there are timeless designs and finishes from the ‘50s and ‘60s, but there’s no reason those can’t be applied equally well to quality instruments made today (and with-GASP!-added knowledge applied!). Also, there are tons of pretty damned cool guitar types that DIDN’T exist before 1970.
Vintage might give you that extra 2%, but to me, the difference for most is 98% psychosomatic.
Not to mention most vintage fender guitars werent made by “master luthiers” like modern day. Fender custom shop guitars are better made guitars than about any pre cbs vintage guitar. I love vintage guitars but it’s become ingrained in a lot of peoples mind that they are the be all end all, which they aren’t.
We old musical farts (not my best imagery😏) would pass up the occasional factory junk duds, and today some of those are marketed as 'Mint Vintage, found in a closet' after sitting intentionally untouched for decades.
"Hi$toric $trat$" now...
its more of the "maybe Hendrix touched this guitar lol" that's y I want a 61-68 fender strat but honestly custom shops r perfect for me.
Paul may have overdriven his headlights a bit here. He has generated a great deal of trust and respect among a wide, wide viewership. My sense is that he is a vigilant steward of that trust when it comes to the products he himself creates and can control. But I don't think he saw these people coming. For me, sat at home, simple things like the neck plate and headstock decal set off all sorts of alarms from the get-go. I can't imagine what it might have been like getting caught up in the moment.
I’ve been lucky enough to own a number of classic vintage pieces, but I’m in my 60s and some of them weren’t very old when I bought them. I bought some vintage guitars back in the days when they were considered to be just “old” guitars rather than vintage.
You two are awesome! First video I've seen but such genuine delivery, feels way less business and more like a UA-cam channel. I always like the less scripted feeling guitar channels. Paul is awesome though! Taught me a lot early on.
Did anyone watch the live at Monterey footage where Jimi lit the guitar on fire then smashed it into two pieces I would’ve thought that would’ve been researched before hand
Mike Campbell is the reason why I’m learning to play the guitar.
Mike is amazing. 👍 I have had the pleasure of meeting him, and I can tell you he’s as cool of a person as he is a guitar player.
Back in the early 1980s I guy vaguely knew was selling a rosewood board cream colored Telecaster. He wanted $450 for it. It looked like an old one. I asked to take off the neck and look in the body cavities for markings. Long story short, there were no markings of any kind anywhere. I hadn't heard about the period Fender mandated no markings after someone found an obscenity written in a guitar. I passed on the Telecaster, as money was tight and I was looking for a maple fingerboard Tele. I probably passed on an early 1959 Telecaster for $450. Of course, $450 in 1982 is equal to $1300 today. Still that guitar is worth a lot more than $1300 now.
We need a separate video on Jonathan's Beanie Babys! 🙏 🙏 🙏
Great discussion J & B!!
FTR, if I'm buying a vintage guitar I want it disassembled as well. I'll buy a new set of strings if I don't buy it, but I want to make certain there aren't any strange routes or foreign bodies being used, the neck and the body match. All that good stuff. But this vid re-enforced what I've come to believe over the last few years, if I'm going to spend $8K+ on a vintage guitar I'm going to get a nice custom shop without the issues. Good talk guys, good talk. I want to play thru that Mike Campble amp!
It's a wee bit depressing lusting after a dead person's possessions do you no think? 🎶🥃Respect and stay healthy all
Fantastic video! You guys are amazing!😀👍🎸
It just doesn't make sense to me, that Fender would authenticate it as THE Monterey guitar when there are so many differences that stand out. At any rate, great video as always and appreciate you looking out for the mortal consumer!
Always good to lern something.
I've got 2 vintage guitars that I'm proud of. One is a 1939 Kalamazoo archtop, it's not a Gibson. But for the 150$ I paid for it I'm happy and the neck is straight, (they didn't have truss rods).
The other is a 69 Yamaha 12 string that I know for a fact did the club circuit in Britain until 1974. I can genuinely believe that Jimmy Page or some other British guitar hero from that period played it and there's some DNA/mojo from one of them in that fretboard. I only paid 175$ for that one.
I agree completely with your take. Anyone in Paul's place would have jumped at the chance. If it's not real, then there are culpable people that need to be held accountable, but I don't think he's in on any kind of scam.
Agreed. I feel pretty bad for Paul in all of this. He posted on his Instagram before he went there that he was so excited he couldn't sleep, and in his video I think it's genuine when he says being picked to play the guitar was a life achievement (can't remember his exact wording but it was something to that effect).
I don't even know if the person(s) who own this guitar believe it's real or not. They might have bought it back in 2012 fully believing it was what it claimed, and are now stuck with a high-dollar investment that has very little value. There are a few things that leave me very suspicious of them, though: (1) Heritage Auctions withdrew the guitar from auction in 2017, stating they had concerns about it not being the Monterey strat. If the owner(s) were innocent and clueless prior to that, then surely it must've set off concerns that they would investigate, right? (2) The fact that the seller(s) picked a person with huge reach and extraordinary video-making skills to put attention on the guitar, and told him that a few potential buyers were lined up, all while teasing an outrageous value to millions of viewers. (3) The follow-up by the people involved with the guitar after the many glaring issues with the guitar were called to attention (not only by several youtubers but also by a major guitar website). They have tried to debate, argue, and threaten their way around all of it, insisting that there is no credibility to any of the issues we've pointed out. Personally, if this were my guitar, and I believed it was genuine, I would be very concerned by the numerous clear issues that have been pointed out, and instead of arguing about them I'd be trying to get to the bottom of them. And if it turned out the guitar was a fake, I wouldn't be going after the people revealing it -- I'd be going after the original sellers.
I'm not really into the "vintage" market because you can't trust people to be honest as to the pedigree of an instrument. The neck on that Strat looks too new. The oldest guitars I have is a Martin 0028-EC 1997 and a Joe Bonamassa Gold Top Epi 2012 and both have documentation. I want an instrument that sounds amazing and plays to my hands and ears. Great video guys! I appreciate you - from Apex, NC
It was sad what happened here. How cool would this have been if it was real!! Paul’s great and knowledgeable. Things are not always what they seem. We can’t expect what we don’t inspect 👍✌️
I had a boss that taught me that expression (“inspect what you expect”) about 30 years ago. I still use it today and apply the philosophy regularly.
Thanks, y'all 🙏
A good way to wake up ...
Glad I don't deal much in vintage guitars, even being vintage myself.
Be good to you!
“He’s still a pro musician…” -Baxter
“Yes, making dozens of dollars.”-Jonathan
😂😂😂 That little exchange cracked me up!
Appreciate the Bull Durham reference and YES it is Costner’s best movie
I understand where the Fender Custom Shop is coming from but they need to sell that Jazzmaster brass saddle bridge.
There’s a video from a couple years ago of Paul reed smith doing a fan forum in guitarguitar Camden and he says in Denmark street someone handed him a guitar saying it was a legit vintage artist owned guitar and he immediately knew it was a fake from the feel of it. Didn’t say what the guitar was or which shop but it has to be this strat that caught Paul David’s out
Paul taps wood. "Authentic"!!
Great discussion. Thank you.
Not sure I entirely agree with Derek on the podcast that Paul D is responsible, It’s not like we are all going to be rushing out to buy a £1m+ vintage guitar and anyone who is should have their experts check it! I am sure Paul D is as sad about not getting to play the real thing as anyone, but with cease and desists flying around, he is probably a bit more careful about what he says 👍
I imagine anyone who can afford to purchase a historically significant guitar/amp/gear probably has a great deal of business experience and know what to look for in provenance.
About a minute in and you guys haven’t given context to what the video is about, just something to think about. Love the show
Edit: and now Paul’s video is private, very interesting
Wow that's kinda crazy that its off
I think the most obvious difference between the guitars was that Jimi’s had 4 springs in the back. But that could have been changed I suppose. It was still an awesome video!
Vintage instruments are challenging to authenticate; like artwork, the prices attract unsavory actors into the game.
Emotion does not help you see a financial transaction clearly,
Many of the guitars used by famous musicians back in they day were new, or only a few years old. Some of these musicians no longer use their vintage instruments outside of home or studio because of the increased value.
I find the vintage instrument market and mysticism entertaining. Certainly many top purveyors of vintage instruments are doing well financially, buying and selling; which should tell you all you need to know about the vintage market.
I'm not a collector, most of my guitars I purchased new and still own them; they become vintage since I purchased them.
My oldest used guitar is a '37 Harmony Cremona V archtop; it cost less than new archtops, and much less than comparable pre-1950 Epiphone, Gibson, D'Angelico, Gretsch, etc. archtops.
Now my vintage one-owner '62 Hammond and matching Leslie are a different story; but I also have documentation and original owner's purchase receipt. ;)
Cheers!
I feel for Paul, as the excitement in his face holding a guitar that may of been a Hendrix guitar was nice to see, the genuine glee of a guitarist holding a new/dream guitar which we all do, bringing back that child with a new toy, emotional quality (feel good factor) as we all have a different idea of what we want in a beautiful guitar.....then boom the shit show kicks in and it seems he's taking shit in the fall out from alot of sides, I feel Paul has been taken in and kicked a bit.
He's always seemed like a pretentious prick, so I found it quite apropos.
It unfortunately definitely not Hendrix’s strat. No blame on Paul. It’s completely the stores fault and they need to take ownership. Authenticity from an ex roadie should have been the first red flag.
Totally agree
Great discussion guys. Thanks. I don't own any real treasures other than the guitars that have aged well over the past fifty to sixty years. Wow there may be a couple of goodies...at least I don't have to buy guitars I already own. Best to the both of you.
when i first saw the article a few years ago
2015/16
and the auction info that was available online at the time ( very scant tbh )
their seemed to be a bit of doubt because of the decal back then
in Paul David UA-cam video it seemed like it was the first look at it up close since the auction -
from the appearance
in the Paul David UA-cam video 📽️ up close -
it seemed like someone built that instrument after
inspecting the original
or studying photographs of the original -
and copied it
with whatever parts they could find at the time -
possibly , maybe , probably , perhaps , etcetera .. .
Wow, the tone of this video is serious - didn’t know you guys were capable of being serious! 🧐🤔🧐🤔
I tend to think it’s possible it might be a Hendrix Strat (maybe one he didn’t use it on stage, but in a studio, for fun, and/or for media photos), but that it’s not the Monterey strat based on the evidence I’ve seen.
My issue is that the owner of this supposed Monterrey strat won’t show anyone else the provenance and that they’re threatening lawsuits left and right - which are especially directed at the CGS channel, which is unfair. Mike really dug much deeper like anyone else doing their due diligence before dropping $10 mil. It’s ok to raise concerns and questions. We all want it to be the Monterrey strat. The owners claim it is, but they seem to desperately be against proving it - I know people are worried about forging papers and such, but CGS offered to look in private and sign an NDA to verify what he saw. They refused. A really legit auction house obviously questioned the provenance as well and cancelled the auction before CGS took it much further to do some serious examining; we don’t really know what the auction house’s appraisers saw or heard that was doubtful. If nobody is willing to talk, it just makes people leery, and with good reason.
I’m hoping they can verify that it’s still a Hendrix strat from other photos now that we know it’s not likely the Monterrey. If the owner isn’t willing to step up and show someone trustworthy proof, they aren’t going to likely sell it for their asking price either. It’s not their best interest even if it’s the real deal. Makes no sense, but I hope they start talking and explaining more.
On the subject of the people controlling the estate- yeah, as a teen I bought a Jimi Hendrix album from a cassette tape bargain bin. His was mid 1980s, I don’t recall the name. It was a bunch of instrumentals, some didn’t have a clear ending or beginning. It kind of sucked. In hindsight it was probably a jam session he never intended to release. It was years before I gave Hendrix another shot. My point is, making that decision to make a few bucks on a crappy product probably hurts the value of he brand in the long run.
Can you guys please do videos about vintage basses..? You guys never talk about the Fender Custom Shop basses …
Had the opportunity to buy Mick Ralph’s Les Paul Jr back around 78-79 for $500. Passed on it was too beat up🤬
Field of Dreams might be a better movie metaphor for vintage guitar buying
What is the blue/silver amp on the left in the background?
Out of curiosity how often do you examine a guitar and figure out that it isn’t what the seller says it is?
People who have $10 million don't play guitar - they spend their entire life focused 100% on making money. That Strat will be put in a warehouse next to the Pagani that they drove twice, the da Vinci painting they don't really care for, and the title for the condo on Billionaires Row in Manhattan that they purchased for a tax write-off.
A buddy has a '65 Parts Strat that has Hendrix signature on the underside of the guard. 2 other signatures are of former Manny's Music (NYC) employees.
Is it REAL? The signature has been verified, but he doesn't believe it was owned/played by Jimi. Who knows. It's just a good Strat.
I just almost bought a gibson custom shop that literally every guitar dealer in the state was unable to verify if it was real. How insane is that. So the poor guy had to sell it for 700 bucks because the paper work wasn’t with it and it’s so good that if it’s fake someone put some stupid time into making it what it is to be able to fool a dozen shops.
Who knows how the chain of custody played out for a touring musician who died 52 years ago. I feel like if it wasn't documented back then, there's no honest way of verifying what is or isn't the actual property of Jimi Hendrix.
Is the dude to the right the Jack Dalton character from Macgyver with beard?
"I'm a private guy about the guitars I have ..."
Even though I own a guitar store, and have a UA-cam channel promoting guitars, etc. Just because I turn out videos playing my guitars; I'm not promoting!
You guys are awesome, love these videos. 🎸
At 2 minutes... I've argued that logic when people compare LPR9s vs 59 bursts. If you only have £5k in the bank, it's not that big an extravagence to spend it on an R9. To spend £300k on a burst, I'd need to have a lot more than £300k in the bank. £5k is a lot of money, but it's a level of money most people could raise in an emergency. 300k is a whole different ball game. The sonic difference between the two is a lot closer than distance between having 5k in the bank and 300k. I'd need £10million in the bank before I'd think about spending £300k on a guitar.
00:13 did you say Sir Paul Davids?
If you can SEE the elf, that is a very entry-level elf in training...
I'm the one who first brought the fake hendrix strat to everyone's attention..
Yes you did I remember I'm wondering if you made anyone mad?
You need to watch "Mr. Brooks." Best Kevin Costner movie ever.
Sort of funny - Relic guitars getting so good they are possibly devaluing the real thing.
Hey, where is my Lunar Ice?
Good rule to live, and do business by is the bigger the prize the more the incentive for someone to get up to shenanigans. So adjust accordingly. Interesting side note. My 2011 Custom Shop Time Machine 55 P bass was an NOS model, but the body was stamped "RELIC". I wonder, are all CS bodies stamped "RELIC", or only the aged models?
NOS is considered a level of Relic.
@@charlesbolton8471 which is weird because it’s the only tier that is specifically done with no aging. As per the CS site. “An all Lacquer finish that hasn’t aged at all- as if you went back in time and bought it.” All CS Time Machine bodies must be stamped Relic in case they end up being used on one, I suppose.
How much is pixie dust worth?
When I watched that vid, It didn't cross my mind it could not be the Hendrix strat. I don't fault Paul Davids here though. Nobody, not even someone with boatloads of cash likes to be ripped off, not for 100$, not for 10 millions $. Research, research, research. Buyers beware.
Now i have to check out Paul David’s video just to see what the heck!
I wished you would talk about the UA-cam channel "Music is Win" You got to have rockin roll is a company that uses Tyler, and his Music is win UA-cam channel to sell vintage guitars that belonged to famous people.
I think Paul Davids lost a lot of credibility through the whole exercise.
That Jazzmaster on the wall 😂
That hollow body (or semi-hollow?) to the left of Baxter's head!
Where did you guys move the Silver Sky???
Wondering the same thing
I wouldn’t want to own a vintage instrument that belonged to a famous guitarist. Sure I could see myself modding a guitar to be similar to it, but the real deal? Nope. For me the closest I would go, would definitely be a custom shop. Most probably bought from Casino Guitars, or Wildwood.
What if I said that I have a set of Snap-On sockets and ratchets that belonged to Dale Earnhart's head mechanic, and I want 5 million dollats for them?
After all, these sockets have "The Mojo". You just can't tighten a 9/16 bolt unless you use one of these, right?
Most people would probably say "Whatever it is that you're smokin, pass it over here, let me try some" or 'Youre out of your mind"
And rightfully so. A good mechanic can put engines together that will win races all day with tools you can get at O'Reillys.
Hendrix would probably say something like "Whats the matter with you guys? Its only a guitar! Its a real good one, but its really just an off the rack Stratocaster"
"Forget all this other crap and just play the damn thing!!"
That's cheap for Snap On,let's sort the finance out...
Maybe all of this madness is just the result of misplaced priorities. The whole point of guitars in the first place was to make music.
The money men have whipped up all of this idolatry and hysteria that has turned the tools of a trade into objects of worship.
About 10 years ago, I decided I wanted an old Strat, but I didn't have the price of a brand new car to spend on a guitar, so I took about 3 years rounding up enough old parts to make a partscaster Strat, and it looks like an old one. (in a kinda sorta way, it is) It plays and sounds real nice, and I learned an enormous amount in the process. Collector/investor/brokers turn up their noses at it and people who actually play think it's just fine.
If you can enlarge my little thumbnail picture to your left, you can see it.
It would be great if we could drop the idolatry and just get back to making some compelling music with these things, we might have a chance at regaining sanity, but i guess the almighty bottom line will have its way with everything on this Earth.
My perspective - Hendrix wasn't known for taking particularly good care of his Strats. Strats from the 70's were a dime a dozen, meaning they were built to be an everyman's guitar. Those two factors makes it questionable to spend an insane amount of money on such a guitar. Even with a strong providence. That being said, to each his own.
"provenance"
Most of his Strats would have been 60s models, but I agree with your point.
You guys know I love ya, what are you talking about??? What happened? What Strat ?
The only way that I would be in the market for a vintage guitar would be that I hit the lottery. My first call would be to you guys. I have my plan in place now I just need to hit the lottery.
There is allot of similarities in between the Hendrix estate and the Prince estate. All just a big money grab and allot of infighting
The magic is in the artist not the instrument.
How dare you overlook "Tin Cup"......🤘😎🎸
I definitely think these things are a case of if you have a wide UA-cam reach that you don't mind marketing to in order to make a good living, you have a certain responsibility to those folks to vet things like this rather than just jumping in. Paul seems like a decent person, but him putting it on his channel is a sort of endorsement of what these guys claim.
If you would pay 10 million for s guitar how did you have enough sense to get 10 million??
Could not have said it better myself.
I can’t play like Jimmy. No way would I Ever EVER spend a huge amount for a guitar. I have a 594 10 top and that’s as high as I go. Next one will be my dream acoustic maybe…D-45
Bull Durham is the all-time best sports movie.
Good topic of conversation, but what explains the 'bed head'?
I don’t understand that market. It could be cars, guitars or whatever other items that a celebrity or legend owned or played does nothing for me. My answer would be, that’s great
"Trust but verify." Ronald Reagan
You guys are hilarious!
I usually get a good laugh..
But does your mum know the name of (or like) the band that Mike Campbell is in now? 🎸🇦🇺
I thought I saw a video of Dweezil Zappa saying he had it. That it was under a staircase in the family home, forgotten for years.
That's the '68 Miami Pop guitar.
And so castles made of sand
Fall in the sea, eventually
That tuner situation was ridiculous… I don’t care if it’s been a month, did you misrepresent the guitar (intentionally or not)? Yes. Fix it. A lot of these dealers only have their reputation… why risk that? I would never buy from a shop like that. Doesn’t matter who the internet sides with, I wouldn’t buy anything from them which means there are definitely others.
Bull Durham is the best Costner movie, Meat!