Stingray Short Scale by Sterling - Bring on the Music Man shorties! - LowEndLobster Review
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Sorry for the slight tuning difference between the two instruments! Will be using a clip on tuner moving forward instead of quickly futzing it before shooting ;P (also the USA one doesn't have new strings)
Hey everyone! Today we're reviewing the Sterling by Music Man Stingray Short Scale bass and having a look at it's more expensive counterpart, the Ernie Ball USA Music Man Stingray Short Scale! These are extremely interesting basses featuring a 30" scale neck and passive electronics with a 3 way pickup mode selector! Let's see how they sound!
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I had the short scale in the blue color. I found that if i adjusted the gain on my amp to just below distortion and used the amp volume control volume, when you use the volume boost on the guitar it sends the amp into distortion. This way I was able to go in and out of distortion using the switch on the bass instead of a pedal. More flexible that way.
I currently own 10 short scale bases and have owned a few others over the years. I purchased the Sterling Stingray a few weeks ago and I am very pleased with it. It plays and sounds wonderful.
Awesome! Congrats on the new bass Robert!
Haha awesome but why would you need 10 shorties !!! ... most times , bassists usually have one or two for travel and stuff 🤔
@@pratyulmusic Because he can!
@@jonmatthews4254 haha I meant is it like a school of kids he might be teaching or something. Anyway I know the feeling, you can never have enough basses !
i know it's a year late but how much did you pay for it? because i just can find the Indonesian one here in Europe at 800€ price point.. still worth it?
Having had to have surgery on my left index finger, I had to switch to shorties just to keep playing for a while and I got addicted to playing them. Though now I'm mostly back to normal playing ability, I still really prefer them. The Sterling by MM SS has been at the top of my list to try/buy. I got a chance to play one of these in a Guitar Center today, and while I liked almost everything; it sounded great, felt great, seemed like a quality bass, it seemed really tiny, smaller than a Mustang, Schecter Banshee, Epiphone Allen Woody, or any of my other short scales. I hesitate to make this comparison, but it felt similar in size to a Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar SS. Just in size and feel in the body/neck. Maybe it was just me, but it still sounded surprisingly crisp and strong. Love the channel Lobster!!!
Thanks! Yes, these are very tiny basses that minimize physical volume while still making the bass very usable and comfortable sitting or standing. I have a comparison coming between the Sterling shorty and the G&L Fallout Tribute, and the size difference is nuts!
I bought the Olympic White version of the SS Sterling because of your review and playing it at my local GC. Great bass guitar reviews! Subscribed!
Thank you! Congrats on your bass :)
Once again... Excellent detailed reviews.
For me it would be the Sterling bass. Much preferred the sounds.
Thanks Paul!
Much prefer the price too!
Why choose? Get both!
I love shorties...shape..comfort and sound..
I bought this Sterling Short Scale and end up grabbing it to play quite a bit. Sounds so different than my other basses. It is a heavy wee bass though. Thanks for all your informative videos. As a bass player about a year in (coming from mandolin) your videos have entertained me but mainly you have given me so much good info with all the honest reviews and comparisons. Love your Lobster bass licks. Thankee for all that.
Best bass gearhead on UA-cam❤️
Thanks Starchild :) - I appreciate your interplanetary funksmanship.
Short (my height) guitar player, and part-time bass player here. Own two Jazz Basses. The MIA 2000 ash one that I bought a week ago weighs close to my Jeep. Bad back (like needs surgery) here so no bueno. It's on the chopping block. My 2013 MIM is lighter and actually sounds better to my ears. But a long session with it still kills me, especially the next day. So for half+ the cost of my used '00 jazz, I ordered the Sterling @ $450. I'll easily be able to justify upgrading the tuners, possibly the pots, though I doubt it, and definitely drop it off at my tech for his magic touch on the setup and frets.
Weird - I fully expected to prefer the Ernie Ball (I have a Luke III and a Silhouette Special), but here, I prefer the Sterling. It sounds more present and open to my ears and brain.
Thanks again Lobster!
Thank you for the great comment :)
All your USA-made MM basses are gorgeous. And they sound great, too.
Thanks John!
Considering that the Ernie Ball Sterling is 4x the price, I'm very happy with the Sterling by Music Man as my first bass. I also preferred the sound of the Sterling by Music Man. I got one in Olympic White. This is my first bass guitar ever and I love it. I also really like how closely it matches my guitar neck since the difference is minimized. Regular scale length basses just seem too long to me.
When you deploy the volume knob there's a definite gain boost. I keep it out (boosted).
Thanks for the great review!
What I like about these basses is all the pickup settings sound pretty good. It's not wasting any pickups, haha.
Two observations from your great demo. First I did notice a volume boost when you hit the volume boost on the sub model. Second there seemed to be more noticeable hum in single coil mode on the American made stingray.
I own over 30 long scale basses and about 6 short scale basses. Later in life,(I'm in my late 50's) I have developed carpal tunnel in both hands as well as trigger finger issues on my left hand. I have several shorties,( mini p....modified pups, a Marcus Miller and a G&L Fallout) that have become my "go to" basses. They sound every bit as good as their larger counterparts and are mush easier to get around on. Anyone interested in 30 long scale basses lol !
I'm 48 and have been starting to get a bit of arthritis in my fingers. I own 3 long scale basses and 1 short scale… on days when my hands are bugging me, the short scale is definitely a nice option! I think eventually I will just play short scale, but for now the superior quality of my American P-Bass (vs. my MIM Mustang) is keeping me mostly with the long scale instruments. If I get a really nice short scale I'll probably never look back.
I tip my hat. I'm somewhere around a 1,000 years old. It's extremely comforting to hear I'm not the only one with an arm, finger, or carpo tunnel syndrome. Well said mate, I'll explore short scales.
@@room34 Try the sandberg Lionel VS which is a short scale p bass with really high quality. You won't go back to fender.
How’s that G&L Fallout?
@@jasonr1150gs Well I’m not in love with it lol ! First it’s the longest short scale I have, it’s heavy and not crazy about the tone. Frankly I am disappointed.
I was really hoping someone would come along and do this comparison, I'm glad it was my favorite UA-cam bass personality. 👍
If money were not a factor I'd definitely choose the MusicMan, but that Sterling sure does look and sound awful nice for the price! So I'd probably go that direction considering it would be a secondary bass for me that wouldn't get played often. It is amazing how much they capture the big Stingray sound in a short scale without the preamp. I am hoping to get one down the road if I can get my wife to approve the acquisition request. 😁
Thanks Michael! So glad you enjoyed this vid :). The Sterling is definitely a sweet little bass. Plans ahead for that one ;)
Ironically Lobster,.. I just bought a Short Scale Music Man ,.. and I love it !! 😎🎸
Awesome! Congratulations :)
Where and what color, neck finishes, and how much, please? Maximum Respect
I'm so glad you did this comparison! I had emailed you a few months back about maybe doing a review on these basses as I absolutely love my Sterling shorty and would have liked to see it stacked up against the USA version. I'm very pleased to see the Sterling absolutely holds it's ground in terms of sound! Great vid as always.
Thanks Mokomi :)
Its been a few seconds and I already saw it in my recommended. Thank you UA-cam!
Guuuuud :)
It would be amazing if you could do a short scale "fight" or comparison, including this Sterling, the Mustang JMJ and others like Squier or Sire. I'm sure it would be really helpful for the people who is thinking about buying a short scale like me but has no idea what to buy.
Thank you Carlos! That's a great idea, I could compile the clips of the various reviews I've done.
Carlos, the Ibanez Mikro is really popular. It's what I bought as my very first bass. I put tapes on it and it sounds pretty nice to me.
@@everready19373 Yep, the Ibanez Mikro SS bass gets good reviews and it's sooo inexpensive. Would be a great intro to SS for anyone not looking to drop $500+. [edit: although, it's a 28.6" scale, but only $199... they have a SS Talman bass for just over $225]
/ I have this Sterling RaySS4 but in a vintage burst that I guess is a discontinued color.
I love the maple fretboard with that finish in that sterling ♡.♡
Thanks Simon! I agree, beautiful finish and contrast with the maple neck.
My joy is immense and my day has been brightened sir. I love the sound of a passive stingray and I want a full scale one!
Thanks Ryan!
I actually listened to this comparison on my television rather than my phone and I thought that the Sterling sounded better. The USA sounded maybe a little more rich but not by a lot. Great job as always showing these cool basses
Thanks Keith! I too was surprised how close they sounded
It's mostly not about sound. Most of the sound is in his fingers.
Twenty two! That's one better than 21! My Daphne blue SBMM shorty weighs a hefty-ish 8.5 lbs. I swapped necks with a friend and now have a rosewood fretboard on a blue bass. I'm sure there are others out there, but mine is the first one I've seen. From what others have said, the swap from the heavier tuners to the light ones requires drilling new screw holes, and perhaps the hole through is different size. Seems like my "boost" button is more dramatic than the one you tested. I notice a difference quite clearly on mine, but it was hard to tell on yours.
Pretty clear which one I picked! Just could no pony up the difference.
Thanks RodShop!
Just re watching some of your reviews as I’m in the market for a new bass. Would love to see you back on UA-cam. Hope all is good with you.
Just ordered the Sterling I'm a guitar player and can't wait to finally own and play a short scale. I'm now glad I didn't buy a Fender Mustang PJ bass the Sterling MM sounds better, feels better and I think it seems more versatile. Thank you
Thanks Nichole! Congrats on your new bass! I think you made the right choice, the SR Short Scale is an awesome compact bass that sounds great and makes excellent use of its size (not a lot of wasted space but still comfortable and balances well)
The sterling series has grown on me lately. I think the one I’d go for would be the 34HH in that same sweet daphne blue
That blue is just so lovely. I often gaze at the color when I'm practicing, or just see it across the room!
Just got the Olympic White today. Best investment ever!
Thanks SKNuts! I do dig the blue a lot
I literally just came home from Guitar Center. I played their Sterling Ray 34. I was very impressed. I own some very nice basses so I'm not easily impressed.
They are now offering a Sterling version in classic sunburst. I just bought one based off of your review. Thanks Lobster.
I love the finish on that USA stingray
Thanks Froge :) me too!
Fine, I need one NOW. I've been delaying the purchase of a short scale for too long.
If it wasn't for the cost, I'd go for the USA version... It sparkles!
Thanks B@ssiCS :)
Everything here is wrong - they are passive, short scale but somehow they sound great and retain the vibe. Magic
Thanks :)
No, actually it’s very right. I never thought I’d see a passive Stingray and a short scale on top of it? Dream bass
Thats the odd thing, isnt it? And maybe thats the attractive thing. They dont *just* sound like a Stingray and nothing else.
It's the Sterling by Music Man (SbMM) for me despite not having the ultra quality hardware of the US made Ernie Ball. I think SbMM is a bargain at this price ($550) - and for me the quality value of it's range of sound adds on at least another 250bucks especially if I was CEO ($800) - but who am I to be a bass marketeer? Haha.
Great video LowEndLobster, always fun, entertaining, great analysis, and a beautiful cat too, thanks!
Thank you! Been waiting for this review! Specifically the Sterling SS. Its seems like a great package. I am a Fender/Squier guy and not a huge fan of pre-amps. This little passive fellow is so neat, I would trade my Squier Jag in a second for the Sterling SS. Great review!
Thanks Jeremy :)
Always thought of these as the quintessential punk, indie or gazey bass. Super cool
Thank you :)
The main difference I notice is that the Ernie Ball is tuned about a 1/4 step flat compared to the Sterling! :D But seriously, that Sterling sounds pretty nice. About 20 years ago I owned a Stingray 5 (back when the USA models were the only ones available). Ended up selling it when I decided to shift gears musically a bit. (Used the money to buy *both* a MIJ Fender Jaguar Bass and a MIM Strat… both of which I have also since sold!) I do kind of regret selling the Stingray because it was an amazing instrument, but it was SO DAMN HEAVY. I have to admit I am tempted by this short scale Sterling. Sounds great and I love the color!
I still kick myself for the tuning mishap here hahaha
Got my sterling stingray yesterday, put flat wounds on it and it sounds absolutely killer.
Nice! Congrats!
I’m watching this to hear what this sounds like in your room to try and appreciate the Sire shorty but I just fell in love with my Sterling shorty again
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying the vids :). I really want to pick up another Sterling shorty to revisit (and maybe mod). I dig the GC exclusive sunburst/maple
@@LowEndLobster very pretty!
From this end, when you push that boost, there's a evident boost in volume and maybe a tad of clarity using my headphones. At least that's the way it recorded for this vid:)
I'm waiting for this bass to come in about 2 wks. Olympic White with RW. Thanks for the review.
Awesome! Thank you and congrats on your new bass!
I bought the Olympic White a month ago. It's lovely!
@@susiemuirhead6579 Great to hear! I'd say, "I can't wait" but I am! LOL Not sure if it's the weather across the country and not that I'm counting, it's been 3 wks today and I'm still patiently waiting:) Glad you're enjoying your new bass too!
Would like to see the sterling vs Sire short scale
That would be a great comparo! I plan on snagging the Sire at some point soon :)
@@LowEndLobster *oily whispers in GnL fallout*
@@LowEndLobster also try to find the fretless. I don't know whether the guy had it made or if it was OEM but the demo was cool.
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I got my Sterling Short today, my Sire U5 and my G&L Fallout Tribute will arrive by the end of the week/next week...so maybe I for once beat the Lobster to the line :)
cant wait for that
i have no idea who this man is but i love him already
:)
Holy crap!!!!!! I have never been so freakin confused. There are to many different stingray models!!!! I think I’m going to havre to take some sterling classes to keep up.
I don’t yet know why, but I’m not a fan of short scale basses.
Thank you for sharing , Cheers
You are awesome
Thanks Tommy! Short scales are... interesting. I'm not much of a fan of them either. I have my Gibson LP Jr. Tribute as my 'main' shorty, but outside of that I don't really jive with them (I'm also a big dude- 6'2").
@@LowEndLobster oh my!!!! It’s always penis with you....silly.
Basses are just supposed to be big. I blame the millennials.
Confusing model names!!! Why not name the budget one Sterling Short and the other Stingray Short. Then where does the Sub and Ray34 fit in?
The Sterling sounds better to me, looks like great value.
Thanks Jon!
I wonder is a few people hear the EB being tuned a bit flat making the sterling sound a little superior? My understanding is the same 3 way switch is the same in both basses?
If I'm not mistaken the Sterling uses the exact same neodymium pickup as the EBMM which is very unusual and maybe even a first. It's probably the main reason it sounds nearly indistinguishable from its much more expensive cousin. The EMBB still would be my first choice because of better tuners, fretwork, neck feel, compensated nut, build quality, color options, a hard case included and lastly resale value. I do own the daphne blue Sterling though at least for now.
Thanks Glenn! I don't believe it's the exact same pickup, but of a very similar spec and produced overseas. The magnet shapes were slighly different with the USA having slightly rounder edges. I agree that the tone is nearly identical however!
@@LowEndLobster I was on the phone 2 days ago with the production manager from SLO. They only made 250 of the EBMM SS4 and the only way to find them is from the vault on their website with a premium price of $2399.00 in "Fiesta Red" (3 left as of last night) with an RW FB. They might do runs of 8-14 sporadically. I have yet to see a used SLO model but Japan snagged a bunch and are offering them for around 2.5-3K plus 500 shipping for it to come home?
I hear bassists play Music Man basses and I think, "Hey, that sounds killer." Then I play a Music Man bass and I think, "That sounds AWEFUL." I cannot seem to get these to sound good in my hands.
I had the same thought process and epiphany with the bongo. Wild how that works out.
I think they sound terrible alone but sound absolutely killer in the mix with a rock band.
They are really only for heavy rock or metal. The tone is pretty gritty and aggressive. I always think Rage Against the Machine.
It's because people turn all the knobs up and blowout the front end of their preamp amp or pedal chain. The magic to getting music man basses to do what you want is to roll that volume down to about half or sometimes less and adjust to taste. If you roll the volume you down, you regain the headroom to mangle the Eq, etc.
A large amount of 'bass gear' is designed to work with a passive fender P bass. So if you can't beat em, join em. Trick your amp into thinking it's getting a passive bass signal. ;)
@@xb5883 While they are amazing for that, I respectfully disagree. Put the bass flat, roll off treble, turn the volume down. Put flats on too, if you want. They're more than 1 tick ponies, especially the bongo (which is what I prefer)
I can sleep well with your riffs but thats your style buddy .thanks god you slap from time to time both of them sounds real good
Thank you Ram!
I just ordered the Sterling SS to see how much easier it will play than my standard StingRay. Loved this review!
"Next to me is......Bebe". Great shorties indeed. I like the Sterling in blue. But it needs a tort guard.
Thanks Jean-Paul :)
Thank you, Mr. Lobster, for another great review. You said "short scale", but you never actually indicated what the scale length was. But I'll go find out. I too am fond of USA made guitars, though I now have a few that were made elsewhere. But I didn't quite hear the value of the price difference between these two! By the way, I ordered the Ibanez TMB605 and what arrived? A TMB505. Would have preferred the Ash body, but the Okoume feels and sounds pretty good.
Hey Garland! 30" scale. Ah I remember you mentioned that about the TMB. Enjoy!
I have the white Sterling SS and love the hell out of it!
Just got mine today! It's a beauty.
@@susiemuirhead561 LOL! Have fun and ENJOY!!😃🎶👍🏾
Hell yeah!
I just got the White-one (Aug 2021) = love it. The fit, finish, sound & playability exceeded my expectations.
Mmmmm dem shorties! Love that sparkle finish
Thanks! Me too, EBMM does a really nice sparkle.
What amp ?
Great review! Sterling by Music Man put together an awesome short scale bass. The U.S. short scale is gorgeous though. My goodness.
Thanks Taconeko!
Has anyone located Drop-In Replacement Tuners for this Bass? That's the only true weakness of this bass. Keep up the amazing reviews lobster. Enjoying your channel. Liked the live-clip of you performing.
Absolutely Right on!!!! Great Job! I'm so excited I'm going to watch and listen again to the differences.. You are an excellent player. Your mastery of repetitive playing allows us to really hear the tonal differences. There is so much more tone. I am lucky to say I purchased an 2020 EBMM Short Scale Bass, Starry Night and I cannot wait for it to arrive So maybe I'll just keep playing your piece until it arrives in a couple days! I excited to see how many different places I will be able to play the short scale bass! I think the tones of the USA model has more warmth in general the Sterling is very punchy sounding to me in general in a totally good way. They are both great instruments. OK so Cancel the ham an ba humbucker to you too! Jake
I just bought the Sterling SS to learn on!
Awesome! Congrats on the new bass :)
Same here! It's just the perfect size. Had a rental Epiphone EB-3 Short Scale and it was real heavy. This Sterling Short Scale weighs only 7.8 lbs vs the 12 lb Epiphone. This little shorty can really rock!!! Best investment ever!
Very cool little basses!
Thanks James!
Lobster, Thanks for doing this comparison review. I am anxious to see what modifications you have in store for the daphne blue Sterling short scale since I have the exact same bass. I didn't realize you could purchase those wonderful light weight aluminum tuners from Musicman. I hate the tuners on my short scale Sterling. On two of them the tops are loose and wiggle. That in itself would be a nice upgrade. Just as you, I also do not particularly like the boost knob. Someone told me the normal position is out and it is really a cut switch not a boost. To me it sounds a bit cleaner when pushed in. I hear a bit of a mild bass boost that can muddy up the sound some when in the out position. To me the MM short scale sounded better than the Sterling but not by an aweful lot, at least not on the tiny speakers of my tablet. I know, I should really be using headphones. With the upgrades you have in mind perhaps you can narrow the gap. But as you know it's not just all about the sound. For one thing, the knobs as you mentioned if they are like the ones on my Stingray Special have a quality feel to them, turn like velvet as opposed to the cheaper feeling ones on my Sterling shorty. The MM version feels much better in your hands I am certain. I can actually feel a difference between the two basses just the way my guitar cable fits into the jack when I plug it in. The one on the StingRay Special glides in like butter. I am looking forward to your 4H vs 4HH on your StingRay Specials in parallel position comparison to put an end to the debate on whether or not they sound exactly the same or if by the addition of another pickup in the 4HH version it gives the 4H an edge in focus, sustain or whatever in parallel mode. Hopefully this is something in your near future plans. Great job and thanks again for all of these wonderful videos that you do for all of us bass people.
Thanks Glenn! Great comment! I have some ideas for mods, but nothing concrete yet. Letting a friend borrow the shorty while I work on some other content, but she'll be back soon ;).
Hearing both of these basses back to back has further convinced me that the biggest difference between the Sterling and USA models is the preamps.
That's absolutely one of the biggest differences electronically if you're looking at the pre-special regular stingrays. Mojotone offers replicas of the original 2 and 3 band circuits, and they pair great with a vintage style pickup. With these basses that don't even have preamps, it's all in the materials, finish, and build. The specs are almost identical (even down to the pickup magnet materials- neodymium on both!) and honestly they sound nearly identical.
@@LowEndLobster I can vouch for the Mojo Tone preamp.I put it in a MM build and it is terrific.
@@LowEndLobster Are the pickups the same between the two models? I just picked up the Sterling StingRay Short Scale and was originally planning to upgrade the pickup to an Aguilar AG4M but then when I played it I was impressed by how good the stock neodymium pickup sounds. AG4M has Alnico 5 magnets and I don't know how much of an upgrade it would be although I really love my Aguilar amp and trust that they make great pickups. Do you have any advice Lobster? Even if upgrading the pickups is only a slight upgrade I would still probably go for it.
@@kwalrus471 they're not the same pickups, just using the same materials for the pickup magnets and they sound very similar
@@LowEndLobster I see that you've modded a lot of sterling basses. Any recommendations for upgrading the pickups in this one? Would you bother changing the pickups on this basS? I can't find any videos showing this bass with different pickups, and haven't found anything showing passive MM pickup comparisons.
Dang it lobster! I'm already waiting on USA sting ray! Now I gotta get that sterling cause that color is amazing!
To me the sterling was thinner. It sounded a little more like an active stingray because of it. The USA sounds more like you’d expect from a short scale passive stingray. A little more thump. Of course the feel and finish are great. As I have one I can say it’s really small compared to a full scale stingray. Especially so compared to the old smoothie. It’s a beautiful instrument. Now have you seen the ads? Ibanez released a short scale 1005 and 1005ms. Curious as to how those compare to the full scale. Perhaps that’s what was in the Christmas case? 🤔 Try to fake us out with the music man case, eh?
Thanks Dean! Yeah I saw those new short scale EHBs, I'm intrigued! We'll definitely be seeing those on here in the future. You know what's in the case by now hahaha ;P
Thank you for the reviews and comparison. All the best.
Earlier last year, a friend of mine picked up one of the sparkle short-scales. While it was not a bad instrument, we both agreed that it didn't blow us away, especially considering the price and compared to the normal full-scale Stingrays. He had also picked up one of the new MIM Mustangs around the same time and it had way more mojo. He ended up returning the Stingray.
Please do an EBMM Stingray short scale vs an EBMM Stingray Special full scale comparison.
Thanks Paul! I'll see what I can do :)
The USA version definitely sounds better and has that Stingray growl and punch. The Sterling captures 95% of that sound but for under 1/4 of the price, which makes it exceptional value. Ideally I'd own both... I would tour with the Sterling since that 5% difference won't be noticeable at most gigs and it won't sting as much if stolen. The USA model I'd keep for recording as the it has the true Stingray tone...
I love short scale basses!!! I would love a stinger short scale!!. Thats rely cool they went with the neo PU on sterling
Thanks Jeremy! I agree, that was a cool choice
:::nerd time:::
I have a 2019 EBMM short ray and opened the control plate not long after I got it to look at what was going on in there. This was back when the marketing materials were calling the push/push pot a "bass boost," and my local retailer got one in before they had finalized the marketing to "volume boost." With the admission that I have not tried to diagram the circuit...
For the boost portion of the circuit, there's a 150k resistor (labeled RBST) that gets switched in by that pot, and a cap right next to it (labeled CBST). I assume the BST portion of the labeling just means boost, and the R and C are for resistor and capacitor respectively. It could be that the cap is there for controlling noise from the switch operating, or it could be wired in as a treble bleed across the resistor. Either way, the switch slams the 150k resistor inline, cutting volume by the same method that the volume knob itself does. If the cap is there as a treble bleed, they've already tried to address the change in tone from modifying the resistance value of the component network.
For the tone and switching half of the board, there are three caps near the tone pot lead. One is actually labeled tone cap, and then there are two other caps right next to it that I would guess are there to suppress noise when using the coil select switch.
This board is labeled REV: 1, so it is entirely possible they changed it for the 2020 short ray, and I have no idea if they would use the same board for the SBMM that they do for the EBMM, though I would expect the circuit design to be identical. I also assume a similar/the same board is in the current BFR passive StingRay Special, as they've said it's the same electronics as the short-scale instrument.
moved down to help with info:
Great comparison as always... I love the pale blue finishes on basses
with maple necks. The first short scale bass I got was a Fender Offset
Mustang PJ in the sonic blue finish. I have long wished that they sold
them with maple boards, since Fender's sonic blue is considerably more
pale than the SBMM daphne.
On reflection, I guess it's also possible the 'boost' circuit was designed to be an RC high-pass filter that ended up functioning to everyone's ears as more of a volume cut, so 'feh, send it out and we'll just change what it's called.' Suppose I should diagram it out one of these days. Or I can just keep playing and enjoying it.
Dude! Thank you for the info! I was digging for something on the circuit and couldn't find many details. Pinning this for visibility!
Happy to help! I moved the comment around to help with that visibility thing. Thanks for the hard work on the channel!
@@LowEndLobster Excellent info! Maximum Respect
Great review,. I 'd buy the American, worth the extra bucks for all of the better quality materials. Would like to see you review Fender JMJ Mustang and American Performer Mustangs. I have both, like both, prefer the JMJ, it has a great vibe, mojo!
Thanks Ox! Will definitely check out some more high-end Mustangs in the future :)
Really awesome bass, not that behind is big brother
Thanks João!
Now THAT'S how you do a comparison! Too bad they were slightly tuned differently. As for the S by MM...all I can say is that it growls and sounds like a SR! Unless there's a huge diff in playability (straightness of neck for low action w/out buzz and nut width) or fit / finish, then who in their right mind would buy the MIA one?
Honestly, playability was mostly the same. I like the USA for the finish, stainless frets, roasted neck, and hardware. It's not so much a 'these things make the USA sounds and play better', because honestly- they're VERY close to each other in those regards and the things I mentioned don't really impact playability. It's like looking at a VW Golf and an Audi RS3.
@@LowEndLobster Sounds great! Too bad there's no HH model, or the pup isn't closer to the sweet spot like the G&L Fallout Tribute. IYO how does the both Sterling basses compare w the G&L?
@@LowEndLobster Sorry, but I have just one more question. Is this model $300 or $550?
I bought the Sterling Short scale in Daphne Blue. Absolutely love it!! I would have maybe got the American but they were long gone.
Sterling SS sound more close to standard Ray than EBSS. Meanwhile there are Notable hum on EBSS in both single coil and parallel mode.
The volume push feature are great match with both single coil and parallel mode which match output volume to series mode (without volume push engage. ) The volume push also add some ball/meaty to parralle mode while slapping.
The E string sound bit muffler on EBSS to my ear.
Thanks Totomo!
I gotta get a short sterling. That's for the review lobster!
Subscribed! You have amazing videos keep the good work!
Thanks Lucas!
Also on a side note. When do we see the Christmas bass. Christmas has past lol lets go lol
Friday ;P
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@@LowEndLobster Y'elcome~~
parallel 7:44
single 8:54
series 9:49
well, if i could afford the USA one, I would go for that...beefier tone, however, I just ordered the Daphne Blue and am stoked. cant wait!
Congrats on your new bass! I just restrung the blue one (the USA one was borrowed) yesterday and we're going to compare to the G&L Fallout Tribute I just got ;).
@@LowEndLobster the sparkly USA with the roasted neck is pretty badass though... ;)
@@LowEndLobster I had purchased a Gretsch short scale and seriously had to upgrade all the fittings...tried swapping out pu's and that didn't work. Thing is heavy, and surprisingly head heavy; it just falls down if you aren't hanging onto it. plus with the location of the neck pickup you can't really slap on it...so off to ebay it's going to go when i get this stingray! super stoked!
Thanks for doing this review! Very thorough and great sound quality. My only criticism is that the American stingray is tuned lower and sounded “thuddier” to my ears , while the SBS tuned higher sounded brighter to me. I’m guessing the strings were the same?
Overall well done and great energy!
I wish the SBMM had a reduced size chrome control plate. It appears they reused the full size plate. The EBMM has a plate scaled down that looks much more appropriate.
I like the Sterling sound better.
Thanks Richard!
Definitely seems to have more clarity to the notes which is surprising
I think i did too oddly.
Me too.
I was waiting and looking forward to this video. I loved, thank's Lobster, and the sterling for me have better sound and the price it´s very different ;)
But I know that musicman it's better built, but the price is too high
Thanks Vitor! Glad you found this vid helpful :)
I love my EBMM short scale! Lobster, one of the best features is how you can hear more of the fundamental as opposed to the harmonic overtones on a 34” scale. I don’t know the exact science but I feel like I can hear more of the “note” on this bass and rarely want to go back to a 34” scale because of it. ;-)
Thanks Greg! That's awesome :) - what finish is yours?
Sunburst :-) If I’m spending all the $ for a roasted maple neck I want to see it on the front too, LOL! Best built bass I’ve ever owned.
@@gregpantelides1355 Hell yeah!
This has been said a lot about SS basses but I think it's a good thing.
Hipshot UltraLite tuners should be standard on that bass. You have to compete in the business world.
I agree with you 100%. It's great to see the higher end (still sub $1k) Corts having Hipshot hardware. Wish more brands would include lightweight tuners on their premium models.
Other people are saying when the volume is pressed down it's a volume cut and when the knob is raised it's full
Great review, many thanks! I really appreciate your methodical approach in your videos, of stepping through all of the settings.
I've watched tons of reviews of these Stingray short scales and one common thread is I hear much less difference than expected in tone between 100%, 50%, and 0% when plucking with fingers, particularly on the Sterling. Also less than expected differences between parallel, single coil, and series in many vids, including this one. The differences stand out better when slapping, where more transients/harmonics are present. Does it sound that way to you there in your room?
The tone control on my 78 Fender Musicmaster short scale (with added bridge J pup), played for going on 40 years, seemingly gives more variety across its range despite the limitations of its stock six pole covered Strat pickup. I also own a MM USA Stingray, but would consider a switch to a short scale Stingray if it would better approximate the wide range of tones. I want to be excited about these short scale Stingrays and will go try one soon to hear how they sound in person.
The 5 screw neck attachment on the USA model looks just like my early/mid 90s MM USA Sterling model. Wonder if that short neck would fit on the USA Sterling body, hmmm... now that would be sweet indeed.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you 1PlanetMusic! Great comment :). I appreciate the kind words. The tonal differences between the modes are apparent but not necessarily drastic. Parallel is the 'normal' Stingray config, Series gives you some more kick, single coil gives you more clarity. Guitar Center usually has the SR shorty in stock, hopefully you can get some time with the bass to see if it is right for you. Hope this helps! :)
I like my necks like I like my coffee. Dark and roasted.
My man! XD
oddly enough I like my brain the same way
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To my ears, these are pretty damn close. Can’t beat the fit and finish on that USA though!
Thanks! Right? Very very close! The finish on the USA is other worldy, EBMM does the sparkles RIGHT! They must have learned from you ;P
@@LowEndLobster ha! My sparkles look like something you’d find in a seedy men’s club on W42nd St back in the 80’s
Another documentary to watch! 🍿
Enjoy, my friend!
@@LowEndLobster They both sound amazing, in fact, this is my favorite sounding stingray so far. And it is passive. Impressed. I was playing my own passive for a long time.
And don't forget to hancel the cam! Fine pickin'.
Hmmm, I'm wondering if you can swap the short neck for a standard neck that's on a regular 34" sterling stingray? I know that it would defeat the purpose of a short scale but maybe it can work :)). Awesome review btw.
Good question Paul! That probably won't work because the bodies are different sized.... BUT you could definitely swap the electronics into a SUB ;)... Not like we were planning on that.. or anything... definitely not...
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I love those Basses!
Thanks Krodan!
Hey Lobster great review. If I didn't hear the USA MM in comparison I would be happy with the Sterling, it sounded fine in all settings. But the USA MM was little more articulate overall. Also you seemed to enjoy playing it more. I don't recall any mention of the differences in the necks overall feel. Are they the same in regards to radius and width and profile? Like you said you get what you pay for. Thanks again.
The neck feel was very similar, I didn't notice any real profile differences. The biggest difference was in the different neck finish and the higher quality hardware. Music Man basses feel premium, and SBMM may be able to capture the sound but won't be able to capture the feel IMO.
I wholeheartedly agree. I was at GC today test-driving a Sterling Short Scale in Sunburst. Wonderful instrument. The neck profile, especially the flat fretboard w/ low string height is great! Sound is excellent too, but listening to the USA model, even via my headphones, there is a difference. IMHO, both the tone dynamics and overall clarity is noticeable. That notwithstanding, the Sterling remains a huge win. I may save my coin for the USA MM-it would be a keeper. But, if I buy the Sterling I will still be happy. Peace.
@@LowEndLobster , thanks for a great review. Also, I really like what you were playing on the USA MM starting at the 19:00 time stamp. Do you know which strings are on the USA model? Be well and keep the chops flowing. Peace.
I honestly don't remember, I think Ernie ball or D'Addario 40-100
They both sounds great, but the USA model is a bit smoother to my ear, especially with the tone rolled off. I wonder if they use the same values in the caps?
Thanks Sriracha!
Great question. I wish I had the answer.
Nice job! I’ve had several MMs and Sterlings. Recently bought a MM HH but I don’t like it as much as the single pickup models. I thought it would give me everything that the single pickup does plus more, but that’s not true. Anyway, I’ve been thinking about short scale now because of arthritis in my fingers. Might have to get me one of these.
Thanks Denny! You can't go wrong with either model (USA or SBMM), enjoy!
That volume switch is most likely series-parallel.
Nope, you have series and parallel in the middle knob (as well as single coil) via a 3 way switch. The push-pull gives some sort of "gain boost" though in reality I believe it's actually a gain reduction with the default "on" position being engaged, and then the vol knob in the out position will be the "boosted" (not reduced).
Hmmm, are my ears old or are these 2 basses sound realy the same? I can see quite plainly the differane in build quality. The sub is nice, while the USA one is very nice! I love the roasted neck and metal flake paint!
They sounded VERY close for sure.
Hey lobster man, I just got my sterling short scale delivered today and maaaan how nice are short scale bass’s to play?!, I was just wondering if you could enlighten me as to where series, parallel and single are on the controls switch? Sounds like middle position is single coil to me but I’m not sure about the other two 😂. Thanks brother
Hey Aku! I forget, but the Series one should have quite a bit more punch to it. Completely forget which is which though as the USA 'Ray was from a friend and the SBMM one I don't have anymore
@@LowEndLobster no worries lobster, now you mention it the first position has a lot more power so I guess that’s the series. So by power of deduction 3rd position must be parallel haha. Thanks again lobster you’ve been a great help to me these past few weeks brother 👍😎
@@MsRich118 Glad I could help :) Congrats!
Both basses are buzzing like crazy, not just the cheaper one. Start listening at 10:20.
My main question is not how it compares to the mustang but how it compares to the older Squier vintage modified jaguar short scale… Thoughts? Killer playing by the way!
I'd take the Sterling. I can't justify the price difference . Plus I could bring it up to USA Stingray specs for way less than the price difference !
I started out on a short scale bass. Made in Japan.
Nice! Thanks for sharing, Richard!
Let’s goooooo
WOOOOOO!
@@LowEndLobster Lmao