What's My Line? - General James A. Van Fleet (Jul 26, 1953)
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2013
- MYSTERY GUEST: General James A. Van Fleet
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Steve Allen, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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He lost his son in korean war.... He is a great man... as somebody below mentioned,US needs a man like him
My Dad, Retired USAF MSgt, was in Korea after the war and helped build orphanages around the country with the other Armed Forces. So many children lost their parents in the war.
My dad was also in Korea, serving as the navigator & bombardier on a B-26. He had to bail out 1 time & landed in a tall tree & said he'd still be hanging there if a neighbor hadn't given him a quality, sharp knife before he left for Korea. He used that knife to cut the chute cords & free himself, so he could climb down out of the tree. He often spoke of the Korean people (the children in particular) & how sad he felt about what they had to endure & truly hated that civilians were probably injured by some of the bombs his plane had to drop. The everyday people often suffer terribly in wars, but when you have dictators trying to control a people, eventually, a war results. Even here in America, we had to fight a war to gain our independence & now, as in 1939, we have folks that want to re-establish an autocracy like that which we fought to free ourselves from! And to make matters worse, if their illustrious leader is elected, he'll align us w/ Russia & N Korea & will eventually rule in a like manner.
The General was a great man, but he thought of others a great deal. My uncle managed his Florida ranch, and I met him as a child. We need men like him today!
Man he was a true general, not the ones we have now.
the armistice was signed 90 minutes prior to this episode got aired. it was signed at 10am seoul time july 27, 1953 corresponding to 9pm new york city time july 26, 1953. wml was on every sunday at 10:30pm in new york city at the time.
Did everybody catch the reference in Bennett's introduction of John Daly? He mentioned that John was now a vice-president of ABC, and inserted "Throttlebottom" into his name. That was the name of the Vice-President of the U.S. in the Gershwin-Kaufman-Ryskind musical "Of Thee I Sing" -- a Pulitzer Prize winning political satire from 1931. It was revived on Broadway in 1952, so would have been fresh in Bennett's mind at least, and probably in most of the N.Y. theatrical audiences of the time.
Thank you. That explains what Bennett meant.
During the 1950s, Daly became the vice president in charge of news, special events, and public affairs, religious programs and sports for ABC[4] and won three Peabody Awards. From 1953 to 1960, he anchored ABC news broadcasts and was the face of the network's news division, even though What's My Line? was then on CBS-from wikipedia.
Thanks for the extra info on John Daly. He also had a wife and family to keep up with. Busy man!!!
Side note: He named all his sons John.
Zs as rr?
Even Dorothy and Arlene stood in respect for the General....first time I saw them stand for a guest. ...they had class.
This is the third occurrence.
@@dutchtea8354what were the first two? I’m sure I’ve seen this before as well
@@tangerinehatbox I was mistaken. This was the fifth time. First time was 17 Aug 1952 for Perle Mesta, US ambassador to Luxembourg. Second time was for Ethel Barrymore on 12 Oct 1952. Third time was 12 Apr 1953 for Anna Magnani. Fourth time was 14 Jun 1953 Margaret Chase Smith. (Eleanor Roosevelt was the sixth time.)
The Anna Magnani episode has been blocked by someone who blocked episodes of Italian actresses. I was able to see it at one point.
@@dutchtea8354 thank you!
General James Van Fleet lived to be 100 years old!!! March 19, 1892 to Sept 23, 1992! And he looks too young to already be 61 on this show!
I just happened to watch this episode on 9-23-22, the thirtieth anniversary of this brave American's death.
Van Fleet had an amazing and stellar career, I advise everyone to read is biography, a true American Hero, from riding with Pershing to get Pancho Villa, to Bastogne with Patton. BTW I laughed when John Daly said "We'll get down to the GENERAL Questioning", how true, lol.
It's true that Pershing was in the cavalry and chasing Pancho Villa. My grandfather was with him. My grandfather came out of the Kentucky national guard.
But then the National Guard and Pershing got shipped over to France for World War I. That's when van fleet hooked up with Pershing so I don't think van fleet actually was there chasing Pancho Villa.
Ironically, my grandfather got shipped over to France with his horse but once they got there they realized the horses were no match for early German tanks.
So the Calvary disbanded and they became regular soldiers Luckily for my grandfather, the war ended about a month later, so the national guard were sent home .
Thank you for this segment He was one.of the greatest soldier My family has been in uniform since WW I 1914 till my own retirement 1969. Both grandfathers , my father , my mother and me all in The Corps
Semper fi, leatherneck. I was the first Marine in my family, though our military tradition includes two ancestors who fought in the Union Army in the Civil War, a grandfather who was a cavalryman in the old country, and a number of relatives who served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. My father was Army Air Corps in the Pacific in WWII and had the utmost respect for the Marines who paved the way for his bomber group. When I was commissioned (the day before the Corps' 200th birthday), he was so proud I thought he would float away.
That first gentleman looks so sweet. Can you imagine that they called someone that age a bellboy?
General James A. Van Fleet~! 장군님 감사합니다~👍 영원이 잊지 않겠습니다~❤
English, please!
@@user-cs7zo4gu1p Use Korean Language, with Google Translate, and it translates perfectly. This is what he said:
"Thank You, General! I'll never forget you!" [with gratitude].
Van Fleet was a great general and soldier in WW1, WW2 and Korean war.
"The" is not a preposition; it's an article. Otherwise, good point.
He is Great great great grandpa
15:29 There goes John with his, "no it is not a cosmetic, yes." I just love those no yes type answers.
Ahhh I really would have liked to see Gen. Van Fleet in his uniform with all his medals!
We could sure use some gen van fleet's today!
HOOAH! I didn't know about General James A. Van Fleet? I've served a few tours in Korea. Married to a Korean woman for 23 years. Breast Cancer took her out. I love the Korean people.
It gets colder than a witch's boob in Korea. Was stationed in Korea 82, 83.
Of course, in 1953, hardly anyone used "gay" to mean what it usually does nowadays. But it's still hilarious to hear Dorothy Kilgallen ask the hotel bellman if the costume he wears is gay and attractive. Then the gentlemen answered "Attractive, but not gay," which Mr. Daly reiterated at the end of the round.
Love the PATRIOTIC AUDIENCE! General Van Fleet, thank you.
The soldiers always know how tough it is for the civilians in the war zone. Van Fleet seems like an amazing person.
@z You are still a JERK with your comments! I'm a Retired Soldier and NEVER had the pleasure of killing anyone. I would have the Pleasure of punching you in the face! You civilain pussy that has never served in the Military!
Wow what a horrible reply
@@stanmaxkolbe First, are you ranting at the correct comment, if so, why does it offend you? I know little about the charity mentioned on this episode, but it sounds like a good cause. I too think Van Fleet sounds like an amazing person, also a kind, compassionate, charitable person. How is that insulting to you or to the general? On another point I watch these old shows for clean, classy, wholesome entertainment, and I am appalled by your use of crude, vulgar language in the comment section, even if you were offended at hearing a fine military officer being praised for his charity work.
@@lauricarpenter7395 That comment is gone now. Z is a big jerk he insults just about everyone on UA-cam. He needed to be cussed out. I'm sorry you're offened by the Real World. That's what Z does he insults people leaves his comment up for a couple of days then removes it. Making me look like I'm cussing out someone I'm not commenting about.
BTW if anyone insults the U.S. Military I will cuss them out-it’s that Sergeant in me!
General Van Fleet ! I think he is really really .....The father of ROK army. Without General Van Fleet , The Admiral Arleigh A Burke and US Army republic of korea would not exist now. Greeting from South Korea. Korean people never forget The General and Admiral`s Great Name.
Thank you for such a great post. Fast forward almost 70 years from that show and all going on now, it made me happy to read!
He is the father of Korean Army. I really admire him.
Thank you for your service General Van Fleet. From Greece.
The last name of my grandparents is Van Fleet. I don’t know if it’s a common last name, or if it’s just chance, or even if I’m somehow related to him. But I think that it is amazing that I share the same last name as a general
So entertaining! That really don’t make them like they used to.
Van Fleet was one of the nation's greatest generals and fighting men. He was also a member of the famous West Point Class of 1915, the class that gave the nation Eisenhower, Bradley, and 56 other general officers. Because there were so many general officers out of that one class, it was called the "class that the stars fell on." Van Fleet was the last man standing in his class, dying in the early 1980s in excess of 100 years. This nation will rarely, if ever, see his like again. He was a man of enormous heroic stature.
Best of luck trying to engage in an intelligent discussion with this fellow. . . but the fact that his last comment was a total of 5 words tends to indicate you're wasting your efforts! I greatly appreciate the very civil tone with which you replied.
Enough with the political discussions now, please. What's My Line videos are not the place for this sort of argument, and you know you're not going to change each other's minds. Let's all move on, shall we?
Sincerely,
A Brain Washed American
His comment was not political you dumbass
cvank210 I was responding to a user whose comments are no longer visible. Grow up.
I am curious, just what were these 5 words that you deemed bad enough to take down from this WML forum? Must have been pretty bad.
Just been looking at General Van Fleet's career in WWI, WWII, and the Korean War, it leads me to think he may well be the most important person ever to appear on What's My Line!
Mark Richardson - so sorry, I feel rather embarrassed now for overlooking Hal's great contribution to decency and world peace!
Keith Naylor - And where is that general now when we need him?
Keith, Are you joking? Ronald Reagan was a contestant. Admittedly van Fleet was more important than RR in 1953, but doesn’t approach Eleanor Roosevelt’s historic and political importance
steve kru - I stick by my guns! It was men like him and Patton who were in the first line of defence and put their lives at risk who did the most for their country.
Keith Naylor They absolutely deserve our gratitude for their bravery, but it is hard to avoid the conclusion that Oppenheimer, Turing, Watson-Watt, accomplished more for their countries in the war (and peace) effort.
My mom was born in Seoul South Korea in 1954 and she had some tough times there when she was growing up.
My Wife is Korean and she grew up in that war. After 23 years Breast Cancer took her out. She was an outstanding Army Wife.
An armistice that is approaching 63½ years in duration without a peace treaty accord being achieved but a lot of saber rattling being done, especially recently. To paraphrase a song written by Pete Seeger based on a wonderful text, there's a time for war, but there is also a time for peace. I hope it's not too late.
sages say that good people die peacefully in their sleep - general James A. Van Fleet died in his sleep at 100 - we surely could use a few of his kind nowadays.
History that I wish all young students would watch!
I think this is the third time I'm aware of that the entire panel stood for the mystery guest. The first was Ethel Barrymore, the second was Senator Margaret Chase Smith, and General Van Fleet was the third.
AND for Eleanor Roosvelt
Nancy Pine And Mrs E Roosevelt
And there were a few regular contestants, they stood up for too, such as elderly men and women
They stood for a few Admirals etc.but not all.
1. Perle Mesta 17 Aug 1952
2. Ethel Barrymore 12 Oct 1952.
3. Anna Magnani 12 Apr 1953
4. Margaret Chase Smith 14 Jun 1953
5. General Van Fleet 26 Jul 1953
6. Eleanor Roosevelt 18 Oct 1953
7. Gertrude Berg (Molly Goldberg) 9 May 1954
8. Nina Conard (regular contestant) 27 Jun 1954
9. Neva Burright (regular contestant) 25 Jul 1954
10. Jayne Meadows 1 Aug 1954
11. Ivy Baker Priest 29 Aug 1954
I was in S Korea in 1976. The children would gather behind the trucks when we left town. We use to throw them the funny money...we called it. It was there money. We were told it was disrespectful and to stop it. I got the closest shave I ever got in in a tent city there! Korean barber.
god bless our friends in korea.
General Van Fleet earned many awards including 3 purple hearts. Amazing to read about him.
Arlene asked if he was in any 'branch' of government. When he rightly answered, "No" the audience murmured and the panel seemed confused, especially Dorothy. Back then I would have expected more people to know the three branches of government are: Legislative, Judicial, and Executive. The military is none of those and never was.
Doesn't it fall under the Executive Branch? Isn't the president nick-named the "Commander-in-Chief"?
@@gingerhiser7312 Yes, the military does fall under the executive branch of the government.
However, Dorothy's question was asked in the present tense. Van Fleet had retired from the military by that point, so he was no longer in government service.
"What's My Line?" is/was to tv entertainment, what Mickey Mouse was to Disney World.
If that were true we wouldn’t be able to enjoy WML on UA-cam because lobbying to extend the duration of copyrights to keep Mickey Mouse out of the public domain is the type of extensive enforcement inconsistent with the non commercial availability of most UA-cam videos including WML
The Korean Armistice actually got signed on the 27th, but I imagine time zones explain the discrepancy. Edit: Or, when they said 'Armistice Eve', they meant like Christmas Eve, not The Evening Of The Armistice. Yes, that *would* tend to make more sense, me.
The general is another one for whom the entire panel stands. (Not surprising, really.)
They said "Armistice Night" not "Eve" and this is accurate. The date given for the Armistice is July 27, 1953 but the Armistice was signed at Panmunjon in Korea, on the other side of the International Date Line. Convention is to refer to the date of something as occurring in the time zone where it took place, but the fact remains that the actual event was broadcast on radio to the United States on July 26, 1953.
Aha. Thank you for the specifics, I appreciate it.
A new WML sign over the panelists. This is the 11th men’s night.
At this point, I have also forgotten what those five words were. They were written after several exchanges between me and the other gentleman. He did not like my praise for Van Fleet, but his criticism was vague. I followed up by pointing out that Van Fleet commanded the forces that quelled the Communist uprising in Greece in 1948. He replied that Van Fleet was the "most hated man in Greece." He followed with more invective and, at that point, and at the request of the moderator, I discontinued the "dialogue." I went one step further by deleting all of my comments, except my initial comment. I never mentioned the fact that Van Fleet commanded the 8th Army in Korea. Or that, when this episode was recorded, Van Fleet's son, Capt. James A. Van Fleet, Jr., had been missing over Korea for a year. (He was declared KIA in 1954.) It tells you a lot about Van Fleet that he could maintain such a positive, uplifting demeanor, knowing that his son had more than likely been killed. My grandfather was at West Point with Van Fleet, and he said he never knew a better man.
Hardly suprising that the Greeks weren't fond of him. If you examine the history of the region during and post WW2, it's one of bitter hardship where their country was used as a bargaining chip. Before the war was finished, it was decided that Greece would be effectively held by George II (who, as a monarch, wouldn't be fond of socialism) and that foreign powers wouldn't interfere in Greek politics. During WW2 the axis powers had occupied Greece and were overthrown by the resistance - many of whom were communists. After WW2, many of the fascists who were imprisoned were freed under the monarch. They rose to power and many left wing people were executed, banished and imprisoned. There was a backlash from the left against the government, but the major national powers worked to support the right-wing monarchy. So yes, when US generals come over and tell you what your government should be, I would feel a little ticked off too.
11-17-23: The contrast with today's General Milley (obese, condescending, sense of entitlement) is simply HORRIFYING.
I probably missed it, but the mystery guest is soliciting donations to a fund, yet there was no mention of the show directing his winnings to the charity fund.
I always find that walk in front of the panel a bit embarrassing. I think it was a good idea to abolish that feature.
I read once that there were a very small number of times when a panel member actually got the occupation on a free guess. I saw one episode on UA-cam where the contestant was a "house detective" and someone made a free guess of "detective," but John did not count it as a correct answer (apparently figuring he needed something more specific than "detective."
Someone posted a UA-cam video a year ago entitled, "What's My Line? - ALL Correct Free Guesses" which is a compilation of all of the surviving recordings of them. I counted six of them. Two of them appeared to be more a matter of the panel member recognizing the person (a trapeze performer at Ringling Brothers Circus and Marilyn Monroe's dramatic coach). The others were a baseball umpire, a lifeguard, a pro football player (guessed because of his physical build) and a slot machine repairman (guessed because the panel was informed he was from Las Vegas).
I wouldn’t have been embarrassed one bit but if some people are shy they probably would I just have always been one who enjoyed making friends may be old but like people was in our church choir made more friends too bad my voice went
I believe this was Steve Allen's first on-air reference to the line, "Is it smaller than a birdbath?"
As we enter the 3rd year of the pandemic we tend to forget when watching these iconic programmes the wars and sacrifices many endured so that we could live in a free world. We must never forget and always recall that we owe so much to likes of a great General and person like Van - Fleet.
Ol school comedy great works
James Van Fleet, the greatest Floridian to have ever lived. I’m surprised he had a soft voice, I always expected him to have a booming voice.
@Tom Guam
What good does a booming voice do? I always find them annoying! I once asked a woman standing right next to me who was speaking to myself and another person, "Do you sing?" ...She didn't get it! Most people who talk very loudly in a normal, unruffled situation have no idea how unattractive they are being!!
James van Fleet did not even make the list of hundreds of notable Floridians, not even in the section labeled “military”. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Florida. If I were to pick a favorite it would be Nobel Laureate John Wheeler, but acknowledge most would pick from the many sports personalities.
"Is it smaller than a birdbath?" What happend to the breadbox?
He was referring to the occupation of the previous week's contestant. The Birdbath maker.
Johan Bengtsson Must be pre- breadbox.
As Zac M. said, in the previous week they asked if the unknown product, a birdbath, was smaller than a breadbox.
You can not go on using the same joke for 12 years, if you want to remain frivolous and excentric.
Daly was kind of off his game in this one, especially with the General. Van Fleet had only recently retired from the military. He'd worked in sports too as the head coach of the Florida Gators football team for the 23' and 24' seasons. And he should have given the no when Allen asked if he was working. Daly also helped give it away on the second contestant at 13:50.
i have a special thank you
Are you a General? Yes. General Motors? General Electric?
General at 61 y o looks very young.
He died in 1992 at the age of 100.
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A bellboy who was born in the 19th century.
ya he [cer tainly] loolked lkike he didn't live for much longer beyond the show's air date!
I think he was born in 1880.
The whole Van Fleet segment was a train wreck despite the eventual resolution by the panel. I take it he's retired when this segment was done, hence the initial confusion on who is paying him. This is among the worse segments (no fault of Van Fleet), but hey, even WML can't be perfect!
It would have been funny if the General was in fact an Admiral.
It would also be funny if he had a business renting out vans.
Where have all the comments gone, long time ago?
Where have all the comments gone, long time passin'?
Take heart - I just posted a few. :)
...and I've been wanting to say that General Van Fleet was such a handsome man that I clicked on this episode again just to see him in action!
Here, the General pleas for $5 million. Now days they call for trillions
How could they say the forces are not government
He was not in the forces. He had retired.
Takeshima.
How much Brylcreem was used on this show?😂
We men used it, very popular 😊
Since when do men and women use teething rings? John Daly makes it impossible to figure out these occupations. Early in the questioning he said that men and women equally use it and tha it would give some sort of pleasure.
@ 7:03 why does John Daly stand up and sit back down again?
he is being funny.
faking being offended by the last comment.
Mock shock
Again, Dorothy zoomed right in on military..????? something fishy.
Dorothy was a investigative reporter 😅
That grease pit hair on John Daly! LOL
I don't know what people are talking about! That guy sounds nothing like Led Zeppelin.
This reply appears to be causing some confusion. I merely meant that I was told by more than one person that this Van Fleet guy did such a great impression of Led Zeppelin that if I heard them side by side, I might have trouble telling the difference. But this guy sounds nothing like Led Zeppelin.
If you're confused, imagine how *I* feel!
Quite an honorable career and service--still quite good-looking here and must have, in his day in WWII in Uniform--looked quite the Army Stud....Salute...
Never heard the term two-fisted man before. Had to google for the meaning. Is that term still in use today?
I've only heard it used as an a two-fisted drinker. One hand is a beer on the other hand is some kind of liquor. But I don't think I've heard it in the last couple decades.
20:20 why would the "asnwer still be no" if government included armed services?
Van Fleet had retired from the Army on March 31st, 1953, so he was no longer a part of the military.
thanks! I didn't think of that
I don't understand. Isn't a General in the armed forces? So isn't it a part of the government?
Jena Tucker Aquariums Yes a General of any branch is part of the US Government
Yes, a General is part of the Armed Forces. But the questions asked by the panel were in current terms. (I.E. are you in government?). At this point, General Van Fleet had retired, so he was no longer in government. He was about to take on a civilian job when he appeared on What's My Line.
Ken McElhaney Gotcha 👍 thanks 😊
Any branch of Govmt (Exec, Legis, Judicial), But I believe is no longer in active rather in inactive reserves. Any Officer and most certainly a Gen. has an indefinate time in Service subject to recall.
I was surprised the General didn't return Mr. Allen's salute. I believe he was also decorated during WWII, that is both Allen and Van Fleet.
So, Steve Allen is a "young man", Dorothy and Arlene are "girls", and even though they are married, they're constantly called "Miss" Dorothy and "Miss" Arlene throughout the WML episodes. Everyone is beautiful and brilliant and well spoken and polite and clean and at least middle class and, 90 % of the times '"white" or at best "suntanned". It's a damned good show, but after having seen several episodes, these things become of course rather obvious. This is the USA of the nice cars; the McGuire Sisters, Eisenhower, the Cold War, the people with preferably frivolous or excentric jobs, but not of Joe and Jane Average. Some of the visitors who won the 50 dollars clearly spend more on hats and gloves to make sure they would make a good appearance during 3-5 minutes. And well, OK, some managed, since we still enjoy these episodes. My point is, several people in the comment sections seem to think everyone in those days was dressed so elegantly, well spoken, polite etc. In fact, these episodes only show a small slice of the US population. They're quite misleading in that sense.
Benoit Vanhees - As for how people are called, women are asked, "Is it miss or mrs." so John would know what to call them. Still, why are women's salutations based on their marital status but men's are not? As for the practice of calling married women Miss plus their first name, I lived in the south (Baton Rouge) to complete my master's and ph.d. degrees at LSU and learned that it was customary for (middle class white) women to be referred to as Miss plus their first name (as in Miss Susan or Miss Veronica.). But I could have gotten in trouble by some of my decisions at work, a social work agency. My clients were about 95% black. They called me "Miss Shirley" and I called them miss plus their first name. Or sometimes miss plus their last name. We were supposed to drive them, if we needed to, with them in the back seat. I would point to the front seat and ask them to sit in front with me. This was probably more dangerous than just a quirk of mine. But no one in management said anything about it to anyone including me. The racial lines were very thick and impenetrable. The clients lived in small, neat one or two room houses with heavy, dark wood antique furniture throughout. The land was a former plantation. My hope was that no one who visited their homes would have made it a practice to offer to buy that furniture. My other hope was that I could convince some of the children to enroll in either Southern University (the historic black university) or even LSU. That was a bridge too far. I have very fond memories of my time in that job. And of the families I got to know.
That's why Ms. was created in the 1980's. Ms. could mean married or not married. And that was really important when women were in the workplace, made it harder to discriminate against them. But it also answered the question if we don't know if a man is married or not, why should we know if a woman is ?
$50 in 1954 is roughly $485 dollars today.
Is it gay? :)
Van Fleet..."Are you in the government which includes armed services?" No...what?
General Van Fleet had retired just a few months before, so he was no longer in the Armed Services. I was surprised by the answer, so I checked. He had retired in March.
18:43 Who?
You stupid?
22:27 Just one of a huge list of unjust wars we fought.
People who live in South Korea don't think so.
Every now and again there is someone who ‘Sells’ some very lame items. Such as teething rings. How can that be a profession??
Quite easily apparently.
If he sells wholesale to the stores.
Armistice night.... Hmm.... Now flash forward 64 years later. The Korean War Armistice or Truce is about to end. The 38th parallel is about to blow.
2 years later an fuck all happened
Or maybe not.
And the chemist is creepy too
Mid atlantic accent is so annoying 😂
I agree. Check out the youtube video that Arlene did with a lady named Arlene Herson. Her fake accent was completely gone, proving how artificial it was during her What's My Line years.