This is why you should never think too hard about time travel stories; when Marty changed the future his mind should have been instantly assailed by memories of a different life. The sheer scale of the changes and resulting effect giving pretty much a zero chance that he would be planning the same trip with the same girl. Just a burnt out mind overloaded by the overlapping memories of two district lives...very sad.
Hang on he wouldn't need to have the same memory. Marty went into the delorian and came back from 1955 to the new timeline. The universe changed around him. Theirs a belief that if you traveled through time and then tried to return you'd end up on another timeline. I'm sure I'm right but maybe you are 😅
@@dwb1980 Yeah this is right. The theory is that this is how reality would correct it's self so the changes could happen. Marty would be in a new time line, and there would be another Marty there, who didn't change anything. The only possible explanation, for the other Marty to not be there, would the that they too went back into time to change something and they ended up in another time-line also.
@@Mawds69 Yeah, there's Back to the future rules, Terminator rules, and Frequency rules. The latter being the protagonist still has his original memories, but also the changes which messes him a bit.
He's still the same 'loser family' Marty & therefore no reason he'd have any memories from this new universe he's found himself in. Should be if anything, no Marty at all - even if his parents got together, still infinite variables to overcome so he's just appeared from nowhere - so no one knows who he is, or there might even be 2 Marty's.
@SteveT3D true but 2 martys can't live in the same universe. The other one got in the delorian the night before and cane back into a different universe extremely similar to his usual timeline.
This version of marty was sent to an alternate timeline, he had no family where he was sent so he changed his surname to Pellow. Seen him performing at a pub before he got big like.
@@cjbscotsmanIn the first back to the future its 85 , so it's the original marti , he then goes back to 1955 the disappearing marti is the original one from 85 , he is dissappearing because he may never be born , his mom and dad eventually kiss and they all return in the picture because they are guaranteed to be born. When he goes back to 85 the original Marti is just slotting back into his life. He is born , gets to 85 , goes back in time ,, comes back and lives his life , there are no second martis. It's always the original marti throughout the film. On that day he returns he has probably been away a few hours , and in that time no one has seen him , so he meets Doc in normal time and goes to the past, presumably his parents thinks he is in bed and they all just sleep , then in the morning they all wake up rich as if they have always been rich , because they have ,, because from 1955 , Martis Dad became a successful author. It's the second one that completely fries the brain.
@@steve10 That's the point, he would have had different experiences. Because of a confident father influence, Marty wouldn't give a monkeys' what Needles thinks. Probably would have ignored that fool for years, so it would never get to the point of the drag race where Marty could hit the Rolls Royce that ruins his life.
@@blue_ranger in the end though that happens in the second one , he goes to 2015 to chase Biff and that sports results book , the drag race happens in 1985 when Marti first sees the pick up truck. However he learns not to bite at being called chicken because it will have dire consequences, so the race doesn't happen meaning he doesn't hit the rolls royce. Had Biff not stole that sports book then he wouldn't have gone to 2015 and knew about losing everything, he would have had the drag race and 1985 Marti would hit the Rolls Royce. His Father would still have been successful, but Marti would be the one to suffer in 2015. Biff would still be working for George etc... he wouldn't have a casino. (Obviously we don't get to see that version of the timeline because Biff does steal the book and gives it to his Son) First film is all about George learning to stand up for himself and be braver, thus being a success. Second film is about 2015 Biff stealing the sports book and giving it to his son allowing him to use the book to become rich , meaning George dies and Lorraine being with Biff. Also they learn in 2015 that Marti is bankrupt due to a crash in 1985 costing him everything. Third film happens because the flying Delorean gets hit by lightning and accidentally sends Doc off to 1885, that's when Marti gets a letter 70 years later from past Doc in 1955 , who hides the Delorean meaning him and 1955 Doc have to go back to 1885 , the Delorean has been hidden in an abandoned mine shaft. The 1885 stuff becomes more about Docs 1985 self staying in 1885 with the teacher he falls in love with. Marti then returns to 1985. George and Lorraine would carry on together in a comfortable life , Biff would still be working for George. Doc , who stayed in 1885 , returns to let Marti know nothing else happens to ruin 1985 Marti's life and because of the fact he didn't do the drag race and he doesn't have to worry about being bankrupt. Marti and Jennifer can live out their lives however they want from that point on.
"Marti , you are acting like you haven't seen me in a week" "Sorry Jennifer you look completely different" "That's because I'm a completely different actress"
@@markob53 yeah , I realised after i posted , I couldn't remember at the time of posting which way around it was, whether Elizabeth Shue was in the first and she left and was replaced for the last scene , or Elizabeth Shue replaced the actress in the first one. Obviously I know now 🤦
The thing that really fucked me up is the fact that Marty's family at the end of the movie aren't his family. Imagine you woke up tomorrow and you saw a completely different, more confident and happier version of your family. Yeah they're happier and successful, but they're completely different to the family you grew up with. Wouldn't you miss your real family? Even though they might have been losers, they were your family and you knew them your whole life.
I saw this in Flashpoint Paradox but it probably has been done before that. So the Marty that was around in the new 1985 would eventually meld with the old Marty. Time traveller Marty would eventually start gaining memories of the new Marty. Which would create someone who is both Marty's and neither. It's basically another version of Marty. Marty's ultimate form.
So he'd have two different memories of his 10th birthday party? Can he keep them separate in his mind. Does he miss the friends that new Marty never met? Sounds like a recipe for mental illness
@@SunburntHands it would all just be one memory. He wouldn't be able differentiate because it all technically happened. I imagine time travelling Marty and new Marty would have made similar decisions when it came to friends. He still lives in the same house regardless of his fathers success (which always bothered me). Which is an indication that Marty's life isn't that different from his old life. The only difference is his family is happier.
Made the props in a different makeup sesh to the shoot, then couldn't be arsed to correct it. Or authors tend to try and look more mature for their headshots than they are in real life.
This would be a great concept for a film. The Marty at the end of the film is where you start it. A kind of "Who am i?" but without amnesia, he just lives in a new variant of his homeworld. Marty interviewing people to get a grip on how much has changed and in what ways could be really interesting tbh. And people getting upset about him starting to behave so strange.
In Back To The Future 2, Alt_Marty is away in Europe or something, when Our_Marty comes back from 2015. Does that mean there were two Martys in the alt_timeline, or did Alt_Marty inexplicably keel over and die in agony like Old Biff?
The suggestion is that George realised his creative dreams and is now a successful writer, but why is he almost 50 and just publishing his first novel? Why isn't he happier to see it in print? Why does it have a terrible title and cover image, with a massive author photo on the back even though George, a debut novelist, is unlikely to be a recognisable literary figure at this point? My explanation: in this timeline George tries to get his writing published but is brutally rejected everywhere. He then goes into investment banking, occasionally taking his rage over his crushed dreams out on a now emasculated Biff. His second son, however, somehow stirs those dormant literary urges so George, suffering an intense mid-life crisis, decides to vanity-publish his crappy science fiction novel at his own expense, putting his photo all over the back cover to slake his rapacious ego.
My dad worked for DeLorean, and he brought 4 year old me in one day to sit in a finished car, got photos and everything, I have the distinction of being the first occupant of a DeLorean car, if that's the greatest thing that's ever going to happen to me, then I'm satisfied.
For him to exist, he would have had to have been conceived at the same exact second in this new timeline for him to exist. There would have also been a number of other changes in this new timeline that would have happened because of the new version of his parents
I thought that the ‘rule’ was that the Marty at the end of the film is the same Marty from that timeline as that particular timeline has been nudged in some ways but not completely transformed like Hellscape Hill Valley in Part 2.
Obviously the rules change to what ever the movie needs them to be for the story, it's established before that if you were somewhere at a certain point and in the future you travel backwards to that point you will be there like when the Doc at the clocktower talks to his future self, so even if things are different a new altered Marty should exist.
As soon Marty changed the circumstances of his conception, everything about his existence (if he even existed) would be altered irrevocably. The right sperm would have to fertilize at the right time to produce exact appearance, gender, personality etc etc.
Thing is no-one ever discharges the flux capacitor. Just stick on a pair of rubber gloves and touch an earthed screwdriver against it and *pop* Marty goes yuppie AF.
It’s the same Marty but also a different Marty… they sort of gradually assimilate each other’s little differences. That’s why in the sequels Marty all of a sudden has an extreme reaction to being called a chicken.
If I recall, the show's writers have already admitted the logic doesn't work at all and basically that you just have to 'go with it'. Especially from BTTF2 onwards. BTTF1 works wonderfully though.
We watched the alternate Marty travel back in time at the shopping mall shortly after this (original) Marty returned to 1985. So, the question is: what happened to that alternate Marty in 1955? Does he intersect with the original Marty in the past? Exactly how does that play out and what effect does it have on the timeline??
And still no-one addresses the elephant in the room, Marty's middle sibling -sister Linda. Considering the McFly clan are supposed to be from 1880s Irish immigrants, She has a vocal cadence, look and behaviour more like someone who could be related to Mr. Speilberg, 'already'. Of course, the actress playing her is of that six point star people heritage, but it's amusing to think Lorraine maybe parked with the milkman between having Dave and Marty in this fictional world of movies.
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Back Tae the Future: Aye the Delorean
Second only to the Yorkshire version: Bak t' fewchur.
Pause at 6:28 to see the subtle casting change they made for Jennifer
hehe good bit of fun
Love it when he's in one of these moods.
George McFly: Shagger
This is why you should never think too hard about time travel stories; when Marty changed the future his mind should have been instantly assailed by memories of a different life. The sheer scale of the changes and resulting effect giving pretty much a zero chance that he would be planning the same trip with the same girl. Just a burnt out mind overloaded by the overlapping memories of two district lives...very sad.
Hang on he wouldn't need to have the same memory. Marty went into the delorian and came back from 1955 to the new timeline. The universe changed around him. Theirs a belief that if you traveled through time and then tried to return you'd end up on another timeline. I'm sure I'm right but maybe you are 😅
@@dwb1980 Yeah this is right. The theory is that this is how reality would correct it's self so the changes could happen. Marty would be in a new time line, and there would be another Marty there, who didn't change anything. The only possible explanation, for the other Marty to not be there, would the that they too went back into time to change something and they ended up in another time-line also.
@@Mawds69 Yeah, there's Back to the future rules, Terminator rules, and Frequency rules. The latter being the protagonist still has his original memories, but also the changes which messes him a bit.
He's still the same 'loser family' Marty & therefore no reason he'd have any memories from this new universe he's found himself in. Should be if anything, no Marty at all - even if his parents got together, still infinite variables to overcome so he's just appeared from nowhere - so no one knows who he is, or there might even be 2 Marty's.
@SteveT3D true but 2 martys can't live in the same universe. The other one got in the delorian the night before and cane back into a different universe extremely similar to his usual timeline.
Recently found out that's not Crispin Glover in the sequels
He even sued!
"Don't you see, Crispin! If you don't travel Back to the Future to pay my legal fees, you'll disappear!"
This version of marty was sent to an alternate timeline, he had no family where he was sent so he changed his surname to Pellow. Seen him performing at a pub before he got big like.
That Marty disappeared like Biff in the deleted scene in Back to the Future 2. Crouched over in agony as he was erased from existence.
Surely that should have happened to “our” Marty….not the one who existed in the new timeline.
@@cjbscotsman Maybe they swapped places and "other" Marty is having a mental breakdown.
@@cjbscotsmanIn the first back to the future its 85 , so it's the original marti , he then goes back to 1955 the disappearing marti is the original one from 85 , he is dissappearing because he may never be born , his mom and dad eventually kiss and they all return in the picture because they are guaranteed to be born.
When he goes back to 85 the original Marti is just slotting back into his life.
He is born , gets to 85 , goes back in time ,, comes back and lives his life , there are no second martis.
It's always the original marti throughout the film.
On that day he returns he has probably been away a few hours , and in that time no one has seen him , so he meets Doc in normal time and goes to the past, presumably his parents thinks he is in bed and they all just sleep , then in the morning they all wake up rich as if they have always been rich , because they have ,, because from 1955 , Martis Dad became a successful author.
It's the second one that completely fries the brain.
@@steve10 That's the point, he would have had different experiences. Because of a confident father influence, Marty wouldn't give a monkeys' what Needles thinks. Probably would have ignored that fool for years, so it would never get to the point of the drag race where Marty could hit the Rolls Royce that ruins his life.
@@blue_ranger in the end though that happens in the second one , he goes to 2015 to chase Biff and that sports results book , the drag race happens in 1985 when Marti first sees the pick up truck. However he learns not to bite at being called chicken because it will have dire consequences, so the race doesn't happen meaning he doesn't hit the rolls royce.
Had Biff not stole that sports book then he wouldn't have gone to 2015 and knew about losing everything, he would have had the drag race and 1985 Marti would hit the Rolls Royce.
His Father would still have been successful, but Marti would be the one to suffer in 2015.
Biff would still be working for George etc... he wouldn't have a casino.
(Obviously we don't get to see that version of the timeline because Biff does steal the book and gives it to his Son)
First film is all about George learning to stand up for himself and be braver, thus being a success.
Second film is about 2015 Biff stealing the sports book and giving it to his son allowing him to use the book to become rich , meaning George dies and Lorraine being with Biff. Also they learn in 2015 that Marti is bankrupt due to a crash in 1985 costing him everything.
Third film happens because the flying Delorean gets hit by lightning and accidentally sends Doc off to 1885, that's when Marti gets a letter 70 years later from past Doc in 1955 , who hides the Delorean meaning him and 1955 Doc have to go back to 1885 , the Delorean has been hidden in an abandoned mine shaft. The 1885 stuff becomes more about Docs 1985 self staying in 1885 with the teacher he falls in love with.
Marti then returns to 1985.
George and Lorraine would carry on together in a comfortable life , Biff would still be working for George.
Doc , who stayed in 1885 , returns to let Marti know nothing else happens to ruin 1985 Marti's life and because of the fact he didn't do the drag race and he doesn't have to worry about being bankrupt. Marti and Jennifer can live out their lives however they want from that point on.
"Marti , you are acting like you haven't seen me in a week"
"Sorry Jennifer you look completely different"
"That's because I'm a completely different actress"
That is the same actress though, what you said only applies if you were watching the beginning of the second movie.
@@markob53 yeah , I realised after i posted , I couldn't remember at the time of posting which way around it was, whether Elizabeth Shue was in the first and she left and was replaced for the last scene , or Elizabeth Shue replaced the actress in the first one. Obviously I know now 🤦
Snorted at "because I'm a f**king human being"
Asking all the important questions.
Feel sorry for Biff!?!? after what he was gonna do to Lorraine in that car!? Sickening.
@@neomarioism It's not like she never 'parked' before
Didn't she get it on with a duck?
The thing that really fucked me up is the fact that Marty's family at the end of the movie aren't his family.
Imagine you woke up tomorrow and you saw a completely different, more confident and happier version of your family.
Yeah they're happier and successful, but they're completely different to the family you grew up with.
Wouldn't you miss your real family? Even though they might have been losers, they were your family and you knew them your whole life.
I saw this in Flashpoint Paradox but it probably has been done before that. So the Marty that was around in the new 1985 would eventually meld with the old Marty. Time traveller Marty would eventually start gaining memories of the new Marty. Which would create someone who is both Marty's and neither. It's basically another version of Marty. Marty's ultimate form.
So he'd have two different memories of his 10th birthday party? Can he keep them separate in his mind. Does he miss the friends that new Marty never met? Sounds like a recipe for mental illness
@@SunburntHands it would all just be one memory. He wouldn't be able differentiate because it all technically happened. I imagine time travelling Marty and new Marty would have made similar decisions when it came to friends. He still lives in the same house regardless of his fathers success (which always bothered me). Which is an indication that Marty's life isn't that different from his old life. The only difference is his family is happier.
5:57 Always confused me why the George on the back cover of the book looked way older and saggier than the George in person.
Made the props in a different makeup sesh to the shoot, then couldn't be arsed to correct it. Or authors tend to try and look more mature for their headshots than they are in real life.
Brilliant 😂
This had better be a teaser for a full BTTF2 watch-along with Limmy or i'm taking my sports almanac back
Things are lively 😂😂😂
Back to the future is class man
George McFly in the new present looks like Corey Feldman now.
George McFly has the confident swagger of Corey Feldman in the timeline where Corey wasn't 'ravaged'.
Brilliant.
Ascension........ Millennium!
This would be a great concept for a film. The Marty at the end of the film is where you start it. A kind of "Who am i?" but without amnesia, he just lives in a new variant of his homeworld. Marty interviewing people to get a grip on how much has changed and in what ways could be really interesting tbh. And people getting upset about him starting to behave so strange.
That bit about the brain being too big and pressing against his skull came from nowhere and it killed me
In Back To The Future 2, Alt_Marty is away in Europe or something, when Our_Marty comes back from 2015. Does that mean there were two Martys in the alt_timeline, or did Alt_Marty inexplicably keel over and die in agony like Old Biff?
breaking ma immersion so he is right at the end there
The suggestion is that George realised his creative dreams and is now a successful writer, but why is he almost 50 and just publishing his first novel? Why isn't he happier to see it in print? Why does it have a terrible title and cover image, with a massive author photo on the back even though George, a debut novelist, is unlikely to be a recognisable literary figure at this point?
My explanation: in this timeline George tries to get his writing published but is brutally rejected everywhere. He then goes into investment banking, occasionally taking his rage over his crushed dreams out on a now emasculated Biff. His second son, however, somehow stirs those dormant literary urges so George, suffering an intense mid-life crisis, decides to vanity-publish his crappy science fiction novel at his own expense, putting his photo all over the back cover to slake his rapacious ego.
He's a famous tennis player, won the US open twice. Then decided to go back to writing, got published
Maybe he's been writing short stories and this is his first full length novel.
I want a Mystery Science Theatre 3000-style show where Limmy dubs all our favourite blockbusters.
Dementia stricken old jock, pulls apart a film, in which the main plot is going back in time using a Northern Irish sports car.
My dad worked for DeLorean, and he brought 4 year old me in one day to sit in a finished car, got photos and everything, I have the distinction of being the first occupant of a DeLorean car, if that's the greatest thing that's ever going to happen to me, then I'm satisfied.
@@Albert_O_Balsamnaebdy cares
Exactly the same issue with TimeCop. At the end of the movie his Wife's alive and he's got a kid.
For him to exist, he would have had to have been conceived at the same exact second in this new timeline for him to exist. There would have also been a number of other changes in this new timeline that would have happened because of the new version of his parents
Most time travel movies have rules about the timelines sorting themselves out, destiny and all that
Biff your breaths fuckin honkin
Never thought of it, theres a Marty that grew up with a very different family.
I thought that the ‘rule’ was that the Marty at the end of the film is the same Marty from that timeline as that particular timeline has been nudged in some ways but not completely transformed like Hellscape Hill Valley in Part 2.
Obviously the rules change to what ever the movie needs them to be for the story, it's established before that if you were somewhere at a certain point and in the future you travel backwards to that point you will be there like when the Doc at the clocktower talks to his future self, so even if things are different a new altered Marty should exist.
Imagine if Marty turns round and Jennifer is now Elisabeth Shue. Now that would be a genius move.
As soon Marty changed the circumstances of his conception, everything about his existence (if he even existed) would be altered irrevocably. The right sperm would have to fertilize at the right time to produce exact appearance, gender, personality etc etc.
that is a fair point
The movie Frequency tackled this idea
Thing is no-one ever discharges the flux capacitor. Just stick on a pair of rubber gloves and touch an earthed screwdriver against it and *pop* Marty goes yuppie AF.
It’s the same Marty but also a different Marty… they sort of gradually assimilate each other’s little differences. That’s why in the sequels Marty all of a sudden has an extreme reaction to being called a chicken.
If I recall, the show's writers have already admitted the logic doesn't work at all and basically that you just have to 'go with it'. Especially from BTTF2 onwards.
BTTF1 works wonderfully though.
Surely wimpy Biff in the future would have recognised Marty in the future as he looked like Calvin Klein from the past?
Not to mention his parents who only got together because of him. His mum was basically in love with him.
Do Shutter Island next.
Marti Pellow right
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6:27 limmy IS jennifer
You wipe Marty out every day...
Daaaas right
We watched the alternate Marty travel back in time at the shopping mall shortly after this (original) Marty returned to 1985.
So, the question is: what happened to that alternate Marty in 1955? Does he intersect with the original Marty in the past? Exactly how does that play out and what effect does it have on the timeline??
Why is Mr Strickland on UA-cam talking in a funny accent though? #JockToTheFuture
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Funny 👌
And still no-one addresses the elephant in the room, Marty's middle sibling -sister Linda.
Considering the McFly clan are supposed to be from 1880s Irish immigrants, She has a vocal cadence, look and behaviour more like someone who could be related to Mr. Speilberg, 'already'.
Of course, the actress playing her is of that six point star people heritage, but it's amusing to think Lorraine maybe parked with the milkman between having Dave and Marty in this fictional world of movies.
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Daaaas right