@@bumblebity2902 There isn't a solid replacement? Other than the Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren drivers, Red Bull could've lured any other driver on the grid if they wanted.
@@bumblebity2902nobody wants that seat tbh, well any self believing driver that thinks the possibility in the right car to become a champion redbull need a bottas Lawson would be wise to think twice if offered that seat as well If he’s happy been a top number 2 then fine But I certainly wouldn’t be and you plus everyone else too it’s absolutely fine/us fans saying this and that, the media and powers to be Prime example of 2 drivers Ruben’s and massa wasted careers been a top number 2 Oh and Webber
@muhikanocska1995 2012 is my favourite season. 2021 had too much bitterness on all sides and manipulation from Michael Masi for my liking (it's far more than just Abu Dhabi, he infuriated all teams with his inconsistencies over track limits for example). 2012 featured 7 drivers winning the first 7 races, unprecedented
Max alone has dragged this car to the drivers championship, even at the start when he won almost everything we were talking about all the times Mclaren and Lando had bottled it and should've won and lead the title.
@@L3wos85there's 24 races in a season. Lando had the best car for the majority of them. It's not unfair to say he dragged that car to a title and won it in an inferior car. In fact that's quite literally just true.
I think finishing third in constructor's while still winning the driver's was an accidental genius move! Redbull now has 10% more CFD & windtunnel time for the 2026 car!
@@piuthemagicman Sponsor money isn't lost. Youre thinking of FIA prize money which is based on Constructor's finish, not Driver's title finish. Around $30m. But they have enough sponsor money to offset that and they would gladly pay $30m for 10% more development time
@@mgers75 Those 10% more development time produce marginal gains when compared to the prestige of wining a title. I mean, the bottom teams have boatloads of extra wind tunnel time and yet...
@@Saintwolvinn This video isn’t about cracks in Max’s performances. It’s about the team’s weakness. Even the title says that. Are people’s reading comprehension really this bad?
I'm no fan nor haters, yet I had my hopes up for Norris. Had. Hopefully this will change, it's refreshing to see drivers being able to put an actual fight
That's like blaming Vettel for fumbling 2009. In reality, just like Jenson, Max built a big lead early on thanks to a dominant start to the season and did a great job defending it. The title was always going to be a long shot and the entire team had to be perfect to turn it around. Bit of a stretch to expect perfection from a team that has been stuck in the midfield for a decade and a driver who's only gotten his first win this season. People forget this is an engineering sport first, driver one second. If Norris wants to win a title he needs his team to hit the ground running and not lag behind the title leaders for a third of a season. This was a good learning year for him.
@@mrgalaxy396 Norris had a race winning car by race FIVE and a better car than Max for 18 out of 24 rounds. Of course it’s his fault. You can’t be this naive.
I'm not sure being fastest at 5 out of 24 races counts as a quarter. On your chart it shows Red Bull being quickest at Miami & Imola, but that isn't true. McLaren were faster in both of those weekends, and the stats are swayed by the fact that Norris bottled both of those poles
@ Not really. Max has won every race where Red Bull were the quickest (barring Australia which wasn’t his fault). He’s also won 4 races where Red Bull were not the fastest. So no, you can’t say that
@@fin-ed6oj race pace and quali pace are two different aspects. He clearly had a good race pace till Austria, after which other teams started eating off of each other. You can't just say Mclaren were the fastest for most of the season. Like for instance in Austin and Mexico ferrari were the clear favorites, spa and silverstone where mercs were as good as mclaren and the latter threw it away in quali. You guys almost make it seem like Max dragged a shitbox to victory. Actual narrative is he built a healthy lead with a dominant car and Mclaren bottled in the second half. Perez being perez dragged rb down to p3 in constructors that's it.
I remember seeing/reading that Newey warned the departments responsible for development not to chase development in certain areas and that they should focus on others as doing so would upset the balance. While on paper they would see gains in the numbers and potential, the car would be slower overall. Supposedly those warnings were ignored and without Newey there it took longer to work out where it went wrong
When you are ahead... You have the "luxury" of going against what Works versus the Unknown. So if they want to test things for 2026, they can and will do it now... Instead of you know........ Wait until the new season starts and say... Oh you were right all along
@marlmyster 5+ years ago maybe, but with how close the teams are now and development time and money capped throwing resources away isn't an option. Plus as Red Bull said themselves "they need to understand why it didn't work". If anything the pursuit of dead end development has not only cost them points (and the constructors) but also led to more confusion rather than enlightenment Point still stands they were warned it wouldn't work and chose to ignore it
Zak Brown was shouting loudly about Redbull and in the meantime they were illegally on the mini DRS themselves. 🤷🏼🤣 Research has been done and Redbull is correct and McLaren had to change all the rear wings. Good job Zak Brown 🤣
@@outlawf1272 because you were caught on the grey line of the rule book? I would prefer that whatever is a grey area be kept on the car for that year, and then be illegal for the year after, until a complete shift in the rules happens and it is legal again, which gives all teams the chance to look at how it could work on their car.
yes, he made less mistakes (almost none) in 2021 too, and there wasn't a single race where he was off pace, whereas this year we have seen him making small mistakes here and there while also having a very off weekend at Baku.
@@robertvanzant2653 he didn’t break nothing psychologically if anything we saw him getting psychologically toyed the last 4 races driving like a maniac idk what ur blind ass is talking about
@@Sandouras tried to write window 👅 out in words and YT warned me it’d be an offensive post. 😂 Anyway, they can still produce a super car and Lance being nowhere will be convenient.
he went 10 races without winning in the 2nd fastest car. that shows he is not faster than the others. he has just had the best car for the past 4 years. simple as that. as we saw in Mexico, if things aren't perfect for him, he cracks under pressure.
@@_Cloudless_xxx ause nobody was challenging him. Great driver but he can't hack wheel to wheel with someone who's contests him in the championship. Pity cause good racing with big competitors would make him a greater racer.
We'll celebrate Max's title ANYWAY. Since you don't make content and cover when he shines, you're always focussing on "cracks" when it comes Max or Redbull. This is the time to celebrate as he's almost 4x champion. So you can jog on😂
Did you even watch the video? They spent half of it talking about how great Max is, obviously when a team goes from complete domination to 3rd they're gonna talk about cracks, what even is your problem here lmao
Max was aware of the underlying issues for quite a while. Even when the car was still the benchmark in the season’s opening races. His Hungary outburst was mostly about being mad at the car having no race winning performance, having warned his team this would happen without tackling the issues. Where it not for the Brazil upset, Lando would’ve had a more than outside shot at the title still.
No, Lando lost too many points in Montréal, Austin, Barcelona, Austria, Spa, SILVERSTONE, Monza… all races he could have and should have won or at least scored more points. Lando has bottled so many races, partly his own fault and often also team strategy faults!!
The favoritism for McLaren has been absurd this year. Allowing the flexiwings both front and rear, avoiding race start violations penalties twice, lessened penalties for leaving the track and gaining an advantage, several questionable safety car and red flag calls (including the full safety instead of a red flag in Brazil when normally they go straight red, and had Colapinto not done what someone would have inevitably done driving through lake interlagos, Max would have been screwed and Lando's weird pit stop unpunished. George even got the call right but screwed by Merc, so only one front runner guessed wrong)
Swings and roundabouts I think. We have seen the Ferrari favour years (under Bernie). We have seen the Mercedes years. We have seen the RBR years. We are seeing Maclaren resurgence and we will see Ferrari resurgence. It’s swings and roundabouts. Personally I’d like to see Williams comeback.
And against a 7x world champion in a car that was pretty much equal... RBR had the best car for the first third this season by a mile. His driving sure is impressive, but more than 2021? THE RACE is a joke lol
I see you guys forgot how important Checo was on that title. Without Checo's help Max would be a 2 time world champion by now. So yes, this is his best title yet considering Checo is nowhere near to help this time.
@@The_Curious_Cat If Bottas doesn't go bowling he wouldn't need Checos help. Which, by the way, ultimately didn't matter because the safety car removed whatever gap they had. It's blown out of proportion to make checo feel better
@@LouSassol69er Some people want to punish Lando like he has committed the crime of the century. I think their opinion would change if it were any other driver involved. Just a hunch...
Yeah a lot of ifs and buts. Fact is Red Bull will have more dev time next year due to finishing 3rd. The older personnel leaving provides opportunities for new younger talents to take their place, which in the long run will only benefit them. Christian build this team the past 20 years. He knows the industry better than anyone and has the best driver in the world to attract the most talented people in the business. Don’t forget the budget cap inhibits any other team from spending too much. If they outbid Red Bull on their experienced personnel it means somewhere down the line other people have to get fired. It’s all about finding the best balance in spending.
I kinda hope Red Bull get their act together and Ferrari are strong. A Leclerc vs Hamilton vs Verstappen battle would be very juicy and Ferrari aren’t as whiny as McLaren who’ll cry at the stewards office all day like they’re Toto in 2021
Remember this: next year Piastri isn't going to be second fiddle to Lando. Mark Webber (Piastri's agent) knows all too well how that ends from his own personal experience. Personally, I expect mayhem between the two McLaren drivers in 2025.
Red Bull is in the best position. I’d rather have a winning driver this year and an uncertain next year than what everyone else has, a losing this year and uncertain next year.
@tomcharlton586 the merc was faster overall. The data shows that as well. Take into account how much bad luck max had that year as well, it still baffles me when ppl say he didn't deserve 2021.
Cost cap is a big factor. Toto said that the money are gone and they can't bring anything on the table. They had less time in the wind tunnel cause they won last year. It's all about the next year development.
They have less wind tunnel and cfd allocation than rivals as well no? Maybe we're finally seeing the effects of that in how they can't upgrade the car as well as others.
That’s exactly what RBR has been saying since last season. The fact that they have much less cfd and windtunnel time than Merc, McLaren and Ferrari IS MAKING the difference. They can’t test as much. Added to that that they went in a development direction from Barcelona 2023 that wasn’t the right direction, which gave them a growing issue. Max was able to drive around it for a long time but since early this season HE also got issues with the car. Luckely they NOW know what their issue is and how to solve it, but budget cap restricts them from all updates needed. From next season they will be fully competitive again.
What are those cracks? Not being as dominant as in 2023 because they literally have less wind tunnel and cfd runs than other teams? This just another shameless Red Bull hit piece even though they probably will win another drivers' championship.
2025 could be one of the most interesting seasons. You have a (hopefully) now stable Ferrari with Lewis and Charles, a strong McLaren Car and Redbull, or should I say Max, in the mix. Togehter with young exciting talent in Bearman and Antonelli. Looking forward to next season
This feels pretty par for the course. New regulations, one team gets it VERY right...dominantes for 2/3 years. In the 3rd/4th season the rest begin to catch up. Depending on when the new regs come in, 1 or 2 years of really good racing and then repeat.
There’s a reason RB is not getting on top of their issues this year. The cost and CFD cap was implemented for the same reason to allow other teams to catchup to the top performer and we can see that it’s working fabulously. I’m sure now with more CFD allowance, RB will get it together. No wonder you don’t see Horner being worried about losing a title championship.
We shouldn't forget that RB get a lot less dev time conpared to other teams due to them winning the title last year. This mustn't necessarily be a RB issue as much as it's the current BoP system and costcap working as intended.
Red bull will get that little more air tunnel time being 3rd constructor though. They could benefit from that next season too. Hope it’s a season as good as this one it has been great loving it this year
Max Verstappen has been a blessing and a curse to Red Bull. The car looked pretty good in his hands and he has pulled every bit of performance out of it. But in reality the car is a lot worse than it seems in his hands and now they are caught on the back foot, because they realized it to late.
Red Bull problems? Man, if they have problems then how bout everyone else outside of Mercedes, lol. I think people forget somehow that these two have been the best in the sport since 2009, that's the last 15 years! Even if it is over, those are runs that you could only dream about.
One of those videos where the Race says nothing we didn't know before. More like a sum up of what the current situation is, rather than adding new information.
It can't entirely be a co-incidence that Mclaren have the newest and presumably most advanced wind tunnel currently in use and they have the fastest, most benign car. Perhaps it was designed more with the Venturi effect in mind seeing as that's only been a thing in F1 for a very short time.
Max did the work in first few races to build his string lead, before RBR development pace was surpassed by the other front runners, costing them competitive edge. He has had to hold on and fight ( aggressively so) since then. He is therefore carrying the team and it has cost them WCC. Looks like he can hold WDC if his current form continues.
Whatever RB's issues, it's not their wind tunnel. It was fine for years, if anything it is their CFD program not replicating what they see in the tunnel and/or some sort of scaling error.
@@TeeRollss Newey warned them they were taking the wrong development path for this year’s car and they ignored him. The further the car got away from his concept, the worse it got.
@@The_ZeroLine😂😂😂 they made the wrong development turn from Barcelona 2023…. When Newey was very much still at the helm…. And Newey was also part of this years car… Newey didn’t realise they made the wrong turn at Barcelona 2023 either…
@@Redlingstein I respectfully disagree. The wind tunnel says something, the full sized car does something else. Both are factual results so the issue is how the data/results are being interpreted. My background is in Civil Engineering and we did testing for some items, but the fluid (water, so a relatively incompressible media) dynamics course I took would be most applicable. Even with an incompressible media you have scaling coefficients........as many as you want for your equation. Again though it's all data collected and you interpreting that data. It's not the wind tunnels' fault, it is how the Engineers are interpreting data. Add to this that air is a compressible media and it just ratchets up the difficulty. This data goes into the teams' CFD programs they have written/modified. If the Engineers do not understand the issue deeply enough it's easy to get erroneous results.
Lol I don’t know Norris’s/Piastri’s deal but if Max ends up at McLaren and wins WDC as a McLaren driver would be funny af to Lando. Or going to Mercedes would be funny too
Lando doesn't want the chip hard enough in my opinion. Also, Redbull is about to go into the same slump that Merc did when they fell apart a few years ago
Max Verstappen is set to become the first F1 driver to win the Drivers Championship at a team which failed to finish 1st or 2nd in the Constructors. This is both a big positive to him but also a big inditement of Red Bull. While a lot of people (perhaps fairly) will point to Sergio Perez as the reason for Red Bull's failure, the fact is he's the third failed teammate Max has had in a row and we have seen Gasly, Albon and Perez perform better in other teams in the past and in the present (see: Gasly's 3rd place finish in Brazil in that terrible Alpine) There is a very real possibility that the Red Bull car is not good, and that Max has carried it to positions on the grid that in the hands of a lesser driver it wouldn't reach. 2025 looks like it will be rough for Red Bull (there won't be much development on the car in preparation for the 2026 regulation shift, and Max could have a very bad year next year by his lofty standards), and if the 2026 car is not good enough to win the championship, Max may decide to move to different team.
A bit of off-topic. Since Daniel Ricciardo leaving RBR after 2018, Max never really have a teammate who really can tie Max. Probably unpopular opinion, probably not.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 There also isn't a driver on the grid that comes close to Max. Daniel left because he could see Max was getting faster and faster, and the team were starting to favour him more. Lando has repeatedly refused contracts from Red Bull because he's too scared to fight Max in equal machinery, and the other main opponents to Max, drivers like George and Charles are locking themselves in to long term contracts in big teams. There's nobody Red Bull could hire that would come close to Max. Checo was their best option... and you can see how he is.
@@doghat1619 not really true if you believe horner and Lewis tried to get perez's seat but horner knew that would cause a war in the team. horner does not want anyone to be competitive to Max. unlike the other teams that all have top drivers in them, rb just have 1. its also Max and maybe his dad as well who do not want any competition within the team.
4:33 Poor chart. If you were trying to demonstrate the improvement relative to Red Bull, the RBR should have been a straight line. Makes it more clear how much Ferrari and McLaren have improved relative to them.
problem is instead of just upgrading our old car like everyone else did we decided to build a whole new car. now we have a car that eats tires and after 15 or so laps it’s toast.
I must admit I've not been the biggest fan of Max, but hearing about how Joss the Brute has treated him whilst he was growing up has changed my mind a bit. If he leave the Soda Can joke of a team then I'm all for it.
All rival teams really started to catch up thanks to Perez wrecking in Monaco last year and giving them all the photos of the underfloor. Teams could only make subtle changes during 2023, but 2024 would see the teams really incorporate the design. I think that's why Red Bull tried to go in a different direction for 2024 and hoped it worked. And it did for the beginning of the season but then went to tracks that simply didn't suit the car. I also think the Honda engine has not been as good as it was previously and Ferrari/Mercedes found more power and better reliability for the life of it's engines.
red bull needs 2 drivers at this moment they need to fire ASAP Perez, the gap in performance is to huge Period, if they want to win again the Team championship.
Nah, RB tanked the constructors man...read in between the lines man, wake up...being 1st gives you less testing time thus their penalty prior, they were short on proper testing. Do the math
Under water since Spain 2023, RedBull didn't fix fundamental issues with the car because Max is too good. A lesson they should've already learned. Further cracks started showing when the Horner files emerged and evidently infighting started happening. It opened the door for top people leaving and as we all know. If management is unstable, that trickles down the organization.
Might as well. Liam is doing better than Checo most of the time anyway. At the very least it will give him time in the car to hit the ground running for next year. Also he will be better at telling the engineers how to tweak the car to his liking. I believe he has a good reputation for this. And as a consultation if he doesn’t out perform the VCARB then we’ll know something was wrong with the car all along.
It’s interesting to see these rise and fall cycles throughout the decades. I don’t have a favorite team nor driver so I really don’t care who wins, just that’s there’s great and fair racing to decide whom that is. To that extent, I hope RedBull takes some time to figure things out. We’ve had some great battles this year and I’d love to see a whole year of that in 2025. 2025 has such great stories lines up with the RedBull saga, Lewis to Ferrari and how he’ll compare to Charles, the new young drivers, and how Audi will progress (to a lesser extent since them seem more focused on 2026). Anyway, 2025 is shaping up to be a great year.
This might be out there.... but what if RB were hoping to lose the constructors on purpose to give them more tunnel and development time next year? What if they stopped all out production on this years car earlier due to the dominant start and limped their way to a drivers on purpose? I could see them projecting a close title finish, but still theoretically being competitive enough to give Max a good chance while still spending this years budget working on next years developments? Would maybe explain why they insisted on keeping Perez?
I have a gut feeling that Red Bull's future in F1 is not a guarantee for the long term following Dietrich Mateschitz' death. If the internal turmoil continues and they have a couple of years of not winning everything, added to the real risk of Max leaving; I can see corporate pulling the plug.
Its about time all you UK media starts to appreciate what Verstappen is doing in a brickbox of a car instead of looking at what RB is doing wrong.. all the analyses but not a single one about Verstappen his driving skills. :)
There is only $9 million dollars between first and second in the constructors championship. If Sergio’s sponsors pay more than that delta RB will not care about fixing their performance disparity gap between drivers
I felt so vindicated on Checo's part, when Max started complaining and it became clear that Checo had been warning about the same things all along. I'm no outright Perez fan, but I would defend him. He's done well, back in the day. He's good enough to be up there somewhere. But RBR never listened because, well, Max was winning everything. Sometimes it's not good to be that good a driver.
This doesn't vindicate Checo at all honestly, it just shows that he's so bad at feedback that the team literally didn't trust him, they and everyone else assumed he was shit, not that the car had an issue.
I see Lance moving to management in 26 ,Alonso retires and brings in his Brazilian protege to replace. Max joins AM to reunite with Newey and Honda and brings along GP and Hannah braintrust.
Not every driver has the best car every year of their career and that is something Max and his dad need to understand. Even if Max wants out, I feel he would be crazy to move to AM as it may now have all of the ingredients to be a "Super Team", but unless Papa Stroll makes that big call on his driver line up it never will be. But on that note, Max has dragged Red Bull to were it is in the Contructor's Championship on his own, so maybe having Lance as a team mate wouldn't be and worse than having Ckecko as one.
Here we go again...............yes Red bull needs to get work done, but all teams do at the moment. Reshuffle would eventually happen in 2026, only now they need too start a little sooner, and that could work out possibly better.
Having a second driver who holds his end of the bargain and isn't in the barriers every weekend is start, who would've thought Redbull😱
there aren't solid replacement and potential replacement like Sainz would never want to be no. 2
@@bumblebity2902 There isn't a solid replacement? Other than the Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren drivers, Red Bull could've lured any other driver on the grid if they wanted.
@@bumblebity2902nobody wants that seat tbh, well any self believing driver that thinks the possibility in the right car to become a champion
redbull need a bottas
Lawson would be wise to think twice if offered that seat as well
If he’s happy been a top number 2 then fine
But I certainly wouldn’t be and you plus everyone else too
it’s absolutely fine/us fans saying this and that, the media and powers to be
Prime example of 2 drivers
Ruben’s and massa
wasted careers been a top number 2
Oh and Webber
Colapinto will go to Red Bull and Lawson will stay at Racing Bulls 😂
@ I had a epiphany last Friday will passed out drunk laid on the downstairs toilet in the dog bed
2026 Lawson
2025 might turn out to be the best racing year in the last decade with the way things are going
2021 was the best so far
@@muhikanocska1995 not like that, I think he meant more teams will compete for the win like this season and 2012
Monza was such a great race, Brazil was nice too.
I think it will be McLaren’s to loose with verstappen and Ferraris taking wins now and then
@muhikanocska1995 2012 is my favourite season. 2021 had too much bitterness on all sides and manipulation from Michael Masi for my liking (it's far more than just Abu Dhabi, he infuriated all teams with his inconsistencies over track limits for example). 2012 featured 7 drivers winning the first 7 races, unprecedented
Second driver, the massive concept swing, the staff turnover that's happened since 2022, the overall design of the 2024 car.... Take your pick
No. The main issue is their massive success, leading to 20-30% less development time than sorry McLaren.
Max alone has dragged this car to the drivers championship, even at the start when he won almost everything we were talking about all the times Mclaren and Lando had bottled it and should've won and lead the title.
Dragged this car to the drivers championship? Max won 7 of the first 10 races you absolute nutcase 😂🤦🏽♂️
@@L3wos85there are 24 grand Prix not including sprint races, he's been in damage control for a long time give him the credit he deserves
@@Ancovg Alonso in that mule he had in 2012
1 point separated him and seb
now that’s dragging a shit box
@@L3wos85there's 24 races in a season. Lando had the best car for the majority of them. It's not unfair to say he dragged that car to a title and won it in an inferior car. In fact that's quite literally just true.
@@shaunlevin5081Ferrari and Mercedes also won races on merit it was not just Lando throwing away wins week in week out
I think finishing third in constructor's while still winning the driver's was an accidental genius move! Redbull now has 10% more CFD & windtunnel time for the 2026 car!
Brilliant I would say
And tens of millions of less sponsor money too, don't forget!
That's where Perez comes@@piuthemagicman
@@piuthemagicman Sponsor money isn't lost. Youre thinking of FIA prize money which is based on Constructor's finish, not Driver's title finish. Around $30m. But they have enough sponsor money to offset that and they would gladly pay $30m for 10% more development time
@@mgers75 Those 10% more development time produce marginal gains when compared to the prestige of wining a title. I mean, the bottom teams have boatloads of extra wind tunnel time and yet...
I feel like y'all don't talk enough about how Norris absolutely fumbled the title while having the best car
@@Saintwolvinn This video isn’t about cracks in Max’s performances. It’s about the team’s weakness. Even the title says that. Are people’s reading comprehension really this bad?
I'm no fan nor haters, yet I had my hopes up for Norris. Had.
Hopefully this will change, it's refreshing to see drivers being able to put an actual fight
That's like blaming Vettel for fumbling 2009. In reality, just like Jenson, Max built a big lead early on thanks to a dominant start to the season and did a great job defending it. The title was always going to be a long shot and the entire team had to be perfect to turn it around. Bit of a stretch to expect perfection from a team that has been stuck in the midfield for a decade and a driver who's only gotten his first win this season.
People forget this is an engineering sport first, driver one second. If Norris wants to win a title he needs his team to hit the ground running and not lag behind the title leaders for a third of a season. This was a good learning year for him.
They’ve talked about McLaren’s fumbles loads this season, pretty sure there was a podcast where they talked about it at length
@@mrgalaxy396 Norris had a race winning car by race FIVE and a better car than Max for 18 out of 24 rounds. Of course it’s his fault. You can’t be this naive.
I'm not sure being fastest at 5 out of 24 races counts as a quarter. On your chart it shows Red Bull being quickest at Miami & Imola, but that isn't true. McLaren were faster in both of those weekends, and the stats are swayed by the fact that Norris bottled both of those poles
5/24 is one less than a quarter so close enough
Ohh I can say pretty much the same logic for whatever race Max did not win, you see that 😅
@ Not really. Max has won every race where Red Bull were the quickest (barring Australia which wasn’t his fault). He’s also won 4 races where Red Bull were not the fastest. So no, you can’t say that
@@fin-ed6oj race pace and quali pace are two different aspects. He clearly had a good race pace till Austria, after which other teams started eating off of each other. You can't just say Mclaren were the fastest for most of the season. Like for instance in Austin and Mexico ferrari were the clear favorites, spa and silverstone where mercs were as good as mclaren and the latter threw it away in quali. You guys almost make it seem like Max dragged a shitbox to victory.
Actual narrative is he built a healthy lead with a dominant car and Mclaren bottled in the second half. Perez being perez dragged rb down to p3 in constructors that's it.
@@fin-ed6oj what are the 4 races if I may know?
I remember seeing/reading that Newey warned the departments responsible for development not to chase development in certain areas and that they should focus on others as doing so would upset the balance. While on paper they would see gains in the numbers and potential, the car would be slower overall.
Supposedly those warnings were ignored and without Newey there it took longer to work out where it went wrong
@@Javadamutt Yes, I don’t know why this gets so under reported. It’s also one of the reasons he ended up leaving.
@The_ZeroLine I'm glad I'm not the only person who saw that
When you are ahead... You have the "luxury" of going against what Works versus the Unknown.
So if they want to test things for 2026, they can and will do it now... Instead of you know........ Wait until the new season starts and say... Oh you were right all along
@marlmyster 5+ years ago maybe, but with how close the teams are now and development time and money capped throwing resources away isn't an option.
Plus as Red Bull said themselves "they need to understand why it didn't work". If anything the pursuit of dead end development has not only cost them points (and the constructors) but also led to more confusion rather than enlightenment
Point still stands they were warned it wouldn't work and chose to ignore it
Zak Brown was shouting loudly about Redbull and in the meantime they were illegally on the mini DRS themselves. 🤷🏼🤣
Research has been done and Redbull is correct and McLaren had to change all the rear wings. Good job Zak Brown 🤣
It's smart, have the FIA focus on your rivals instead of yourself.
@ciarancrowley1217 Yes, I agree, it's just a shame if you have to change something yourself afterwards. 😁
@@outlawf1272 because you were caught on the grey line of the rule book? I would prefer that whatever is a grey area be kept on the car for that year, and then be illegal for the year after, until a complete shift in the rules happens and it is legal again, which gives all teams the chance to look at how it could work on their car.
@@ciarancrowley1217hope u said the same about the apparent inertia valve red bull used for braking then…
Ever since they haven’t been as fast as they were, most of the weekends Ferrari has been fastest. Very clear to me something fishy was going on.
0:09 I’m sure 2021 triumphs this. He was battling a real champion then
teamLH whiners incoming
yes, he made less mistakes (almost none) in 2021 too, and there wasn't a single race where he was off pace, whereas this year we have seen him making small mistakes here and there while also having a very off weekend at Baku.
@@hhhhhh-vi6sqThe fact that you instantly thought of another fanbase shows how insecure you are. Literally rage baiting for no reason.
Amazing how he broke Hamilton psychologically he’s never really recovered
@@robertvanzant2653 he didn’t break nothing psychologically if anything we saw him getting psychologically toyed the last 4 races driving like a maniac idk what ur blind ass is talking about
Aston Martin will NEVER be a "super team" and we all know why...
Yep, Alonso is definitely too old.
@@cedric1808 They should have a brand new lineup for 2026
window licking?
@@rudolfvandervenWhich drivers performed better than him in 2023? It’s funny how many Ham fans hate the guy for no reason.
@@Sandouras tried to write window 👅 out in words and YT warned me it’d be an offensive post. 😂 Anyway, they can still produce a super car and Lance being nowhere will be convenient.
Once in a generation talent. Remember, he had a lot of wins before he ever had a pole position.
he went 10 races without winning in the 2nd fastest car. that shows he is not faster than the others. he has just had the best car for the past 4 years. simple as that. as we saw in Mexico, if things aren't perfect for him, he cracks under pressure.
@@ddha0000for most of those races, the rb was like the 3rd fastest car. And in 2021 the merc was consistently faster. Get your facts right
@@ddha0000second??? Third at best. Ferrari and mcleren were blazingly fast
@@ddha0000funny how he didn’t crack under pressure in Brazil where the conditions weren’t perfect 😂
@@_Cloudless_xxx ause nobody was challenging him. Great driver but he can't hack wheel to wheel with someone who's contests him in the championship. Pity cause good racing with big competitors would make him a greater racer.
We'll celebrate Max's title ANYWAY. Since you don't make content and cover when he shines, you're always focussing on "cracks" when it comes Max or Redbull. This is the time to celebrate as he's almost 4x champion. So you can jog on😂
crazy delusion even for ferrari
Typical "The race" video. Nothing new nothing significant.
Did you even watch the video? They spent half of it talking about how great Max is, obviously when a team goes from complete domination to 3rd they're gonna talk about cracks, what even is your problem here lmao
@@chiefbeef9905 where is the video about Norrif's cracks?
@@someonesch4361 yeh i just posted that lol
Max was aware of the underlying issues for quite a while. Even when the car was still the benchmark in the season’s opening races.
His Hungary outburst was mostly about being mad at the car having no race winning performance, having warned his team this would happen without tackling the issues.
Where it not for the Brazil upset, Lando would’ve had a more than outside shot at the title still.
No, Lando lost too many points in Montréal, Austin, Barcelona, Austria, Spa, SILVERSTONE, Monza… all races he could have and should have won or at least scored more points. Lando has bottled so many races, partly his own fault and often also team strategy faults!!
Sergio cost RB so much money they couldn’t upgrade like McLaren has been able too. The McLaren boys have been very clean relatively to RB
Indeed. 4.8million in damage costs…which could’ve been used for updates…
The favoritism for McLaren has been absurd this year. Allowing the flexiwings both front and rear, avoiding race start violations penalties twice, lessened penalties for leaving the track and gaining an advantage, several questionable safety car and red flag calls (including the full safety instead of a red flag in Brazil when normally they go straight red, and had Colapinto not done what someone would have inevitably done driving through lake interlagos, Max would have been screwed and Lando's weird pit stop unpunished. George even got the call right but screwed by Merc, so only one front runner guessed wrong)
Swings and roundabouts I think. We have seen the Ferrari favour years (under Bernie). We have seen the Mercedes years. We have seen the RBR years. We are seeing Maclaren resurgence and we will see Ferrari resurgence. It’s swings and roundabouts. Personally I’d like to see Williams comeback.
Best title yet? You don't remember his first title being decided on the final lap of the final race of the season?
And against a 7x world champion in a car that was pretty much equal... RBR had the best car for the first third this season by a mile. His driving sure is impressive, but more than 2021? THE RACE is a joke lol
I see you guys forgot how important Checo was on that title. Without Checo's help Max would be a 2 time world champion by now. So yes, this is his best title yet considering Checo is nowhere near to help this time.
@@The_Curious_Cat If Bottas doesn't go bowling he wouldn't need Checos help. Which, by the way, ultimately didn't matter because the safety car removed whatever gap they had. It's blown out of proportion to make checo feel better
I agree, but I think they stayed away from it because of the controversies
@@hex1473 stayed away from it by acting like he didn't win 2021 wdc? That's gonna cause even more controversy. Doesn't make sense
It's tough placing this one over last year in terms of performance. They might be equally impressive. Last season was a record breaker in many ways.
Why don't you make a video on norris not getting penaltys in brazil but only a small fine
Because that was talked to death already?
It was an unprecedented procedural error. Now they know what to do. A fine and reprimanded sufficed.
@@LouSassol69er Some people want to punish Lando like he has committed the crime of the century. I think their opinion would change if it were any other driver involved. Just a hunch...
@@soundscape26 Not by the race, and definitely not by SMM
@@angmarforever4295 The issue would warrant a short at best but it's been almost 3 weeks already, how about moving on?
Absolutely no F1 news in this video. Lots of waffle about how Max might struggle next year, but also might not. 'Journalism' at its worst.
@@tyrannosaurus696 You were expecting news?
That’s all ‘The Race’ ever dabble in along with half the channels that aren’t gaming or podcasts on UA-cam.
Yep. Tabloid trash.
Yeah a lot of ifs and buts. Fact is Red Bull will have more dev time next year due to finishing 3rd. The older personnel leaving provides opportunities for new younger talents to take their place, which in the long run will only benefit them. Christian build this team the past 20 years. He knows the industry better than anyone and has the best driver in the world to attract the most talented people in the business. Don’t forget the budget cap inhibits any other team from spending too much. If they outbid Red Bull on their experienced personnel it means somewhere down the line other people have to get fired. It’s all about finding the best balance in spending.
On March 16 2025 we will know.
I have ZERO confidence McLaren will start next year with a dominant car and I know they don’t have a dominant driver
I kinda hope Red Bull get their act together and Ferrari are strong. A Leclerc vs Hamilton vs Verstappen battle would be very juicy and Ferrari aren’t as whiny as McLaren who’ll cry at the stewards office all day like they’re Toto in 2021
Remember this: next year Piastri isn't going to be second fiddle to Lando. Mark Webber (Piastri's agent) knows all too well how that ends from his own personal experience. Personally, I expect mayhem between the two McLaren drivers in 2025.
Ferrari will wipe the floor with both McLaren and Red Bull next season. Just watch…
Red Bull is in the best position. I’d rather have a winning driver this year and an uncertain next year than what everyone else has, a losing this year and uncertain next year.
How they re-signed Perez is amazing to me....
I doubt he will continue past 2024. He will be quietly asked to retire.
Huge sponsors from Mexico. Also tanking 2025 would probably do them a great service for 2026 and the dreaded new regulations.
They’ll go ahead replace him with Colapinto by the third race next year.
Money.
Imagine winning a world title in an inferior car. Let alone do it for a second time..
i would say the 2021 mercedes and red bull were very evenly matched
It was a rocket for long enough to runaway with the undeserved title, he’s nothing special
@@johnjohnrice585 Man, I feel pity for you
@@superiourkunal oh wow, what a coincidence, the feeling is mutual
@tomcharlton586 the merc was faster overall. The data shows that as well. Take into account how much bad luck max had that year as well, it still baffles me when ppl say he didn't deserve 2021.
Cost cap is a big factor. Toto said that the money are gone and they can't bring anything on the table. They had less time in the wind tunnel cause they won last year. It's all about the next year development.
Imagine having a driver so good he makes you ignore actual problems that the car has.
Im referring to last year
That was the Marc Marquez/Honda situation, leading to their massive downfall after his Jerez crash
They have less wind tunnel and cfd allocation than rivals as well no? Maybe we're finally seeing the effects of that in how they can't upgrade the car as well as others.
That’s exactly what RBR has been saying since last season. The fact that they have much less cfd and windtunnel time than Merc, McLaren and Ferrari IS MAKING the difference. They can’t test as much. Added to that that they went in a development direction from Barcelona 2023 that wasn’t the right direction, which gave them a growing issue. Max was able to drive around it for a long time but since early this season HE also got issues with the car. Luckely they NOW know what their issue is and how to solve it, but budget cap restricts them from all updates needed. From next season they will be fully competitive again.
What are those cracks? Not being as dominant as in 2023 because they literally have less wind tunnel and cfd runs than other teams? This just another shameless Red Bull hit piece even though they probably will win another drivers' championship.
Well said!!
2025 could be one of the most interesting seasons. You have a (hopefully) now stable Ferrari with Lewis and Charles, a strong McLaren Car and Redbull, or should I say Max, in the mix. Togehter with young exciting talent in Bearman and Antonelli. Looking forward to next season
Bearman and Antonelli are midfield drivers.
Hey, let's find a way to devalue RB and then Max's 4th title. Cool.
This feels pretty par for the course. New regulations, one team gets it VERY right...dominantes for 2/3 years. In the 3rd/4th season the rest begin to catch up. Depending on when the new regs come in, 1 or 2 years of really good racing and then repeat.
There’s a reason RB is not getting on top of their issues this year. The cost and CFD cap was implemented for the same reason to allow other teams to catchup to the top performer and we can see that it’s working fabulously. I’m sure now with more CFD allowance, RB will get it together. No wonder you don’t see Horner being worried about losing a title championship.
Still nothing about Norris getting off with a false start.
If he didn't get a penalty on the spot he should start in the pit lane at the next race.
We shouldn't forget that RB get a lot less dev time conpared to other teams due to them winning the title last year. This mustn't necessarily be a RB issue as much as it's the current BoP system and costcap working as intended.
Red bull will get that little more air tunnel time being 3rd constructor though. They could benefit from that next season too. Hope it’s a season as good as this one it has been great loving it this year
Max Verstappen has been a blessing and a curse to Red Bull. The car looked pretty good in his hands and he has pulled every bit of performance out of it. But in reality the car is a lot worse than it seems in his hands and now they are caught on the back foot, because they realized it to late.
This ^. I think even the team has admitted that he was basically driving around problems that have been there for ages.
Max basically sealed his title back in Imola.
Red Bull problems? Man, if they have problems then how bout everyone else outside of Mercedes, lol. I think people forget somehow that these two have been the best in the sport since 2009, that's the last 15 years! Even if it is over, those are runs that you could only dream about.
Love the relevant F1 content I don't have many to talk about the race with so thank you
One of those videos where the Race says nothing we didn't know before. More like a sum up of what the current situation is, rather than adding new information.
But will it matter now?
Maybe next season, but now? Hardly matters.
I rather watch lower series with almost identical cars than F1 and all their faff and aging driver lineups.
Great video
When you pack it all together. The whining of RB really gets loud and annoying.
The car was dominant at the start of the season, which gave him the buffer
MAX in the car was dominant the first 5 races….
I still think RedBull were doing something a bit fishy.
How can you possibly say it is his best title when the first one came down to the last race of the season. Unless you don't count it😂
"Suffering from the success"
Petez has had a good season.
It can't entirely be a co-incidence that Mclaren have the newest and presumably most advanced wind tunnel currently in use and they have the fastest, most benign car. Perhaps it was designed more with the Venturi effect in mind seeing as that's only been a thing in F1 for a very short time.
I hope they come out trailing next year
Max did the work in first few races to build his string lead, before RBR development pace was surpassed by the other front runners, costing them competitive edge. He has had to hold on and fight ( aggressively so) since then. He is therefore carrying the team and it has cost them WCC. Looks like he can hold WDC if his current form continues.
5:02 didn't know Courtenay was an F1 driver and I can't sincerely think about anything else severely holding McLaren down but Lando Noskills.
Whatever RB's issues, it's not their wind tunnel. It was fine for years, if anything it is their CFD program not replicating what they see in the tunnel and/or some sort of scaling error.
@@TeeRollss Newey warned them they were taking the wrong development path for this year’s car and they ignored him. The further the car got away from his concept, the worse it got.
No it’s these groundeffect cars that don’t correlate well with the windtunnel. Merc had the same issue AND AM TOO!!!
@@The_ZeroLine😂😂😂 they made the wrong development turn from Barcelona 2023…. When Newey was very much still at the helm…. And Newey was also part of this years car…
Newey didn’t realise they made the wrong turn at Barcelona 2023 either…
@@Redlingstein I respectfully disagree. The wind tunnel says something, the full sized car does something else. Both are factual results so the issue is how the data/results are being interpreted. My background is in Civil Engineering and we did testing for some items, but the fluid (water, so a relatively incompressible media) dynamics course I took would be most applicable. Even with an incompressible media you have scaling coefficients........as many as you want for your equation. Again though it's all data collected and you interpreting that data. It's not the wind tunnels' fault, it is how the Engineers are interpreting data. Add to this that air is a compressible media and it just ratchets up the difficulty.
This data goes into the teams' CFD programs they have written/modified. If the Engineers do not understand the issue deeply enough it's easy to get erroneous results.
@ How many races did Max win again in 2023? Oh yeah. The most in any season ever. It’s amazing how, let’s say “lacking in any intelligence,” you are.
No, correlation does not equal causation. But it does equal a good wind tunnel. And that is causative.
Could Verstappen be the first driver to become world champion, while being third in the constructors championship?
Lol I don’t know Norris’s/Piastri’s deal but if Max ends up at McLaren and wins WDC as a McLaren driver would be funny af to Lando. Or going to Mercedes would be funny too
Lando doesn't want the chip hard enough in my opinion. Also, Redbull is about to go into the same slump that Merc did when they fell apart a few years ago
Good video
Max Verstappen is set to become the first F1 driver to win the Drivers Championship at a team which failed to finish 1st or 2nd in the Constructors. This is both a big positive to him but also a big inditement of Red Bull.
While a lot of people (perhaps fairly) will point to Sergio Perez as the reason for Red Bull's failure, the fact is he's the third failed teammate Max has had in a row and we have seen Gasly, Albon and Perez perform better in other teams in the past and in the present (see: Gasly's 3rd place finish in Brazil in that terrible Alpine)
There is a very real possibility that the Red Bull car is not good, and that Max has carried it to positions on the grid that in the hands of a lesser driver it wouldn't reach. 2025 looks like it will be rough for Red Bull (there won't be much development on the car in preparation for the 2026 regulation shift, and Max could have a very bad year next year by his lofty standards), and if the 2026 car is not good enough to win the championship, Max may decide to move to different team.
A bit of off-topic. Since Daniel Ricciardo leaving RBR after 2018, Max never really have a teammate who really can tie Max. Probably unpopular opinion, probably not.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 There also isn't a driver on the grid that comes close to Max. Daniel left because he could see Max was getting faster and faster, and the team were starting to favour him more. Lando has repeatedly refused contracts from Red Bull because he's too scared to fight Max in equal machinery, and the other main opponents to Max, drivers like George and Charles are locking themselves in to long term contracts in big teams.
There's nobody Red Bull could hire that would come close to Max. Checo was their best option... and you can see how he is.
@doghat1619 Of course yeah.
@@doghat1619 not really true if you believe horner and Lewis tried to get perez's seat but horner knew that would cause a war in the team. horner does not want anyone to be competitive to Max. unlike the other teams that all have top drivers in them, rb just have 1. its also Max and maybe his dad as well who do not want any competition within the team.
@@ddha0000 having 2 world class drivers never works in a team? also the only one that could compete with max is probably lewis
4:33 Poor chart. If you were trying to demonstrate the improvement relative to Red Bull, the RBR should have been a straight line. Makes it more clear how much Ferrari and McLaren have improved relative to them.
That Wheatley photo is something else LOL
problem is instead of just upgrading our old car like everyone else did we decided to build a whole new car. now we have a car that eats tires and after 15 or so laps it’s toast.
I must admit I've not been the biggest fan of Max, but hearing about how Joss the Brute has treated him whilst he was growing up has changed my mind a bit. If he leave the Soda Can joke of a team then I'm all for it.
IF and IF Papa Stroll would consider Lance to leave his seat in the moment where Max leaves RBR, Verstappen-Alonso team up would be unstoppable.
I feel like this is the defining season in his career.
He's showing everyone that he even wins having a worse car than probably 2 other teams.
All rival teams really started to catch up thanks to Perez wrecking in Monaco last year and giving them all the photos of the underfloor. Teams could only make subtle changes during 2023, but 2024 would see the teams really incorporate the design. I think that's why Red Bull tried to go in a different direction for 2024 and hoped it worked. And it did for the beginning of the season but then went to tracks that simply didn't suit the car. I also think the Honda engine has not been as good as it was previously and Ferrari/Mercedes found more power and better reliability for the life of it's engines.
red bull needs 2 drivers at this moment they need to fire ASAP Perez, the gap in performance is to huge Period, if they want to win again the Team championship.
Let’s hope a few wins for the other teams while red bull got lost isn’t all we get. Hopefully there’s a proper champ fight next year
Nah, RB tanked the constructors man...read in between the lines man, wake up...being 1st gives you less testing time thus their penalty prior, they were short on proper testing. Do the math
The good part for Max is that people don't have to ask themselves if its him or the car performing. Its him! He is a true champion
0:45 great summary, so if Verstappen finishes 10th and has the fastest lap, Lando has to finish at least 8th and have the fastest lap?
Under water since Spain 2023, RedBull didn't fix fundamental issues with the car because Max is too good. A lesson they should've already learned. Further cracks started showing when the Horner files emerged and evidently infighting started happening. It opened the door for top people leaving and as we all know. If management is unstable, that trickles down the organization.
RB should have given perez seat to Liam for the final 3 races.
Might as well. Liam is doing better than Checo most of the time anyway. At the very least it will give him time in the car to hit the ground running for next year. Also he will be better at telling the engineers how to tweak the car to his liking. I believe he has a good reputation for this. And as a consultation if he doesn’t out perform the VCARB then we’ll know something was wrong with the car all along.
C’mon Liam and Oscar!
You have great taste in drivers!
It’s interesting to see these rise and fall cycles throughout the decades. I don’t have a favorite team nor driver so I really don’t care who wins, just that’s there’s great and fair racing to decide whom that is. To that extent, I hope RedBull takes some time to figure things out. We’ve had some great battles this year and I’d love to see a whole year of that in 2025. 2025 has such great stories lines up with the RedBull saga, Lewis to Ferrari and how he’ll compare to Charles, the new young drivers, and how Audi will progress (to a lesser extent since them seem more focused on 2026). Anyway, 2025 is shaping up to be a great year.
The Race - what’s another anti Max anti Red Bull video we can make? Oh yeah I have more baseless ideas…
i still think keeping perez was a bad decision
I like the background beat
Can someone summarize how similar or different this is from when Vettel was on cusp of winning his 4th?
This might be out there.... but what if RB were hoping to lose the constructors on purpose to give them more tunnel and development time next year? What if they stopped all out production on this years car earlier due to the dominant start and limped their way to a drivers on purpose? I could see them projecting a close title finish, but still theoretically being competitive enough to give Max a good chance while still spending this years budget working on next years developments? Would maybe explain why they insisted on keeping Perez?
Tin foil hat
Would like a video on Norris and Oscar for next year instead of always being after RB
I have a gut feeling that Red Bull's future in F1 is not a guarantee for the long term following Dietrich Mateschitz' death. If the internal turmoil continues and they have a couple of years of not winning everything, added to the real risk of Max leaving; I can see corporate pulling the plug.
Becoming a world champion is the third best car, only a real goat is capable of doing something like that. The guy is a legend already.
Its about time all you UK media starts to appreciate what Verstappen is doing in a brickbox of a car instead of looking at what RB is doing wrong.. all the analyses but not a single one about Verstappen his driving skills. :)
There is only $9 million dollars between first and second in the constructors championship. If Sergio’s sponsors pay more than that delta RB will not care about fixing their performance disparity gap between drivers
I felt so vindicated on Checo's part, when Max started complaining and it became clear that Checo had been warning about the same things all along. I'm no outright Perez fan, but I would defend him. He's done well, back in the day. He's good enough to be up there somewhere. But RBR never listened because, well, Max was winning everything. Sometimes it's not good to be that good a driver.
This doesn't vindicate Checo at all honestly, it just shows that he's so bad at feedback that the team literally didn't trust him, they and everyone else assumed he was shit, not that the car had an issue.
VERSTAPPEN WAS GIVEN THIS CHAMPIONSHIP AGAIN ,,,,,,,,,,,,, HOW MUCH LONGER WILL WE NOT SEE REAL RACING WITH OUT THE MANIPULATION ????????????????????
I see Lance moving to management in 26 ,Alonso retires and brings in his Brazilian protege to replace. Max joins AM to reunite with Newey and Honda and brings along GP and Hannah braintrust.
Not every driver has the best car every year of their career and that is something Max and his dad need to understand. Even if Max wants out, I feel he would be crazy to move to AM as it may now have all of the ingredients to be a "Super Team", but unless Papa Stroll makes that big call on his driver line up it never will be.
But on that note, Max has dragged Red Bull to were it is in the Contructor's Championship on his own, so maybe having Lance as a team mate wouldn't be and worse than having Ckecko as one.
Red Bull has problems still but they will solve them in next season. The car is not agile enough to be good…
Ain't no way bro said Aston Martin is upcoming super team with stroll in it.
Max needs a maximum of 16 points in 3 races to take the title. 2nd place in Vegas or 5+ in 3 races.
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They are going to struggle without Adrian Newey. Just that Simple!
Aston Martin will be brilliant though lol
one of the permutations isn't possible because max and norris cant both have the fastest lap...
Here we go again...............yes Red bull needs to get work done, but all teams do at the moment. Reshuffle would eventually happen in 2026, only now they need too start a little sooner, and that could work out possibly better.
Let's be real
If checo had even half the results he was supposed to , both driver and constructor titles would have been in the bag by now
The only one with enough money to bail max out of his contract and make a generous offer is Lance's dad. Will max sell his soul?
What soul?
That car merchant will sell anything for a chance with Newey again.
From unbeatable in the beginning to struggling in the end. I still don't understand how this could happen. Max won't win his forth in Vegas I'm sure.
0:07 Ahhh my screen!!!😳😳