Sunny 16 - Shooting a roll of b&w film sans light meter!

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  • Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
  • Hey! In this video, I'll shoot a roll of black&white film with a camera that does not have a light meter. To do this, I use the old "Sunny 16" rule, and also explain how that works!
    Have fun in trying it for yourself if you happen to have an old camera somewhere in your attic!
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    The film I used: Agfa APX 100. The roll I used has expired in 2005 (hehe!) so maybe that's the reason I got some weird light leaks on some of the shots.
    I also came across Tünnes and Schäl in this video while roaming around for photo opportunities, two very famous & characteristic Cologne characters!
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    Music: "Bei mir bist Du schön" - Alfonso Swing Remix:
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  • @markgoostree6334
    @markgoostree6334 10 місяців тому +3

    Used the "sunny 16" when I was ten years old. Yes.... I carried a cheat sheet because I was a kid and just learning. Now I'm 73 and was recently gifted an Argus C-3. Being made in 1940 I'll be trying to live in full manual mode. Sunny 16... here we go! This was good and fun and very helpful.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  10 місяців тому

      Hi Mark, many thanks for your feedback! I think it was very smart of you to bring a cheat sheet - in the end, it's the result that counts! 🙂
      By the way, if you're in Europe or the U.S. and using your camera right now, maybe be careful - it's really dark especially from November to February, so you might want do add 2 to 3 f/stops to your exposure. But in the warmer half or two thirds of the year, "Sunny 16" really works pretty well!

  • @hudster1969
    @hudster1969 Рік тому +7

    This has been one of the best explanations of the Sunny 16 rule I've come across on UA-cam. Including the settings on the example photos really helps. Thank you.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому +1

      Many thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it!

  • @aniruddhabhattacharya7064
    @aniruddhabhattacharya7064 Рік тому +2

    Love the more practical demonstration of compensating various f-stops unlike many other videos. Thank you

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому

      Many thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it!

  • @elke1317
    @elke1317 3 роки тому +6

    Nice video, something completely different. All of these rules were known in the past. And actually I still often follow them today. Herzliche Grüße aus Frankfurt - Elke

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Hi Elke! Yes the knowledge from the past is vast, and it's fun to remember and use it today! :)

  • @collincourtois8587
    @collincourtois8587 Рік тому +2

    Real pleasure to watch you work your craft. Thanks.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому

      Many thanks, I appreciate your feedback!

  • @shillborne60
    @shillborne60 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you Thomas for another great video. Very enjoyable and clear explanation. I have for decades relied on the light meter of my Spotmatic II but have recently also acquired a Pentax SL (which I really like) and of course has no light meter. I have been exclusively shooting BW with the SL and it has introduced me to handheld light meters and Sunny 16. So this video was a great help! Greetings from Sweden, Kaj

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  10 місяців тому

      Thanks Kaj for your comment. I am glad the video was of some help. The Pentax SL is a real beauty! A friend of mine collects these old Pentax cameras and I am always amazed how gorgeous they look and also how small and compact they are! All the best from Cologne!

  • @MrGarrincha11
    @MrGarrincha11 3 роки тому +12

    Hello, great video!
    Personnally I just look at the shadows, it is much more precise :
    Shadow
    Full sun - sharp shadow: f / 16
    Veiled sun - diffuse shadow: -1 stop => f / 11
    Against the light or in the shade (clear shade): -3 stops => f / 5.6
    Sun above the horizon, before diving: about -4 stops or about f / 4
    No shade
    Hidden sun, white sky, visible sun disk with sunglasses: -2 stops => f / 8
    Overcast sky, light gray, invisible sun disk: -3 stops => f / 5.6
    Overcast, leaden gray, it can rain: -4 stops => f / 4
    Rain: from -4 to -5 stops or f / 4 to f / 2.8
    Interior
    From -9 to -10 stops
    Dim lights: between -12 and -15 stops
    I use this and I have great result, hope it helps.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      Many thanks for sharing, this is a great advice!

  • @nxtlightdesign7440
    @nxtlightdesign7440 3 роки тому +3

    I like the immediate feedback here - seeing the b/w image right after the capture! Thx.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Thanks! Actually I gave this film to a not-so-good lab, so I had to wait 3 weeks to get the results. Now I found a much better and faster lab for b&w film here in my town :)

  • @marshalltravis3217
    @marshalltravis3217 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome! Love seeing Germany again and film photography is a wonderful thing

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  2 роки тому +1

      Many thanks for your comment!

  • @markandrewhoran
    @markandrewhoran Рік тому +1

    I simply could not get the Sunny 16 rule for some strange reason. That is, until I watched this video. Cue the light bulb turning on over my head. 😃 Thank you so much Thomas!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому +1

      Many thanks, I'm really happy that it works for you now :)

  • @ShutterKnack
    @ShutterKnack 2 місяці тому

    Thanks Tom! This is the best video of sunny 16! I have been a long time subscriber but came across this gem of a video. Great stuff and greetings from Plön.

  • @Carterofmars
    @Carterofmars Рік тому +3

    Excellent exposure tutorial. Excellent production value. Examples with exposure data is invaluable to a newbie. As you approach a subject in street, sharing your thought process as you proceed is invaluable.
    Just one small recommendation. Music is great, but maybe just a little bit lower when example pics display. I found it a tiny bit distracting.
    But, overall, this is one of the best Sunny 16 tutorials on UA-cam in my opinion. 👍👍👍

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому +1

      Many thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it!

  • @jocknarn3225
    @jocknarn3225 Рік тому +1

    very helpful tips .. i'd heard of "Sunny 16" but not understood .. ISO : shutter speed relationship very helpful👍

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому

      Many thanks! I Hope you’ll have a lot of fun trying out sunny 16 :)

  • @Kameratzas
    @Kameratzas 4 роки тому +5

    Liked and subscribed, thank you for showing your pics after every process, it’s really helpful. I am finding the courage to shoot sunny 16 with my rangefinder, it’s very freeing!

    • @TCJ-75
      @TCJ-75 4 роки тому

      Hey, thanks for your comment! Yes it give a feeling of freedom if you're not so much depending on all the camera functions :)

  • @donaldcongdon9095
    @donaldcongdon9095 3 роки тому +2

    Loved the Contax! Thanks.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your comment! Yes, the Contax II is a fantastic classic camera and it was highly innovative back then!

  • @jonathancurry3952
    @jonathancurry3952 3 роки тому +2

    Really nice video Tom. I don't subscribe much but have sub'd here and looking forward to future videos!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Hey, thanks very much for this positive feedback! I've got a new video in preparation but unfortunately it's gonna be after Christmas when I'll be able to upload it.

  • @federicofloresmoy8385
    @federicofloresmoy8385 3 роки тому +2

    I really appreciate your attention, well explained how film and digital works. My question is : I think that the two ways of reaction to light are different in the film negative and in the digital sensor. What I want from your experience is to tell me how to use as much as possible the silver hyalides on the film. (Density of the negative), because if it is an underexposed film, it does not react a lot of silver hyalides, it washes them away and does not use them (the more the negative film is impacted by the light, the more it uses the silver hyalides without burning the photo). I have seen many professional photographers use the external exposure meter in landscape photography, applying reciprocity in their shooting.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +2

      If you really want to have the technically best result, I also would always recommend to use a light meter! Sunny 16 is not meant to give the technical best result. It is to recreate old times and appreciate what photographers in the old days did achieve! And also Sunny 16 is fun and it teaches you some skills that might be good to have, but it is not if you are really aiming for perfection!
      And oh yes, if the shutter time is longer than 1/2 ... 1 second then you have to also consider reciprocity!
      About how to expose film ... it really depends on the type of film. For color negative film I try to be as accurate as possible, no over- or under exposure. Same of course for slide film ... there you don't have a lot of leeway. If it is a critical subject, I often do bracketing with + 2/3 ... 0 ... - 2/3 ev.
      But most black and white films, you can well over expose a little bit, then you get a more dense negative which often is good IMO.
      I do like that negative film can preserve many details in the highlights, whereas digital can show harsh clipping. Sometimes my analog photography is influenced by this. I have deep shadows. In digital, I tend to lighten up the shadows in the RAW converter. In analogue, I like the deep shadows just as they are. Maybe weird that the choice of the medium influences your result so much. But that is part of the excitement and fun of photography maybe!

  • @AriShojaei-qi5wi
    @AriShojaei-qi5wi 3 місяці тому

    Wish we could arrange a photo walk or something in Cologne and go out with other film photographers and learn more from each other.

  • @andrewfrost8866
    @andrewfrost8866 3 роки тому +1

    Liked and subscribed. Thank you for this helpful explanation and demonstration.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your feedback! I hope you'll have fun if you try it out for yourself!

  • @AntonyBall-h9g
    @AntonyBall-h9g Рік тому +1

    Well explained video thanks for your help Tom.......

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому

      Thanks Antony, you’re welcome! 🙏

  • @thomascain5313
    @thomascain5313 4 місяці тому +1

    The other exposure rule for capturing good (black and white) photos coming down from my dad and the 1940s was: “F8 and a 60th and BE there”

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  4 місяці тому

      Yes. That's basically an even more simplified rule ... :D but yes even that will take you quite far during a normal day of shooting. It's really only in the evenings and/or when you are in a dark shade (like a dark forest) or anywhere indoors where all those rules really start to fall apart at some point.

  • @stevehoffman9735
    @stevehoffman9735 Рік тому

    Settings on example photos, very helpful. Many thanks.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for your comment, I'm happy if the video was of any help for you!

  • @momotguitars
    @momotguitars Місяць тому +1

    I am in Kharkov, Ukraine, approximately 51 degrees north latitude. For two months, I have been practicing the Sunny 16 rule, shooting on black and white film ISO 400, at different times, approximately from 10:00 to 17-18:00. I used the Sunny 16 rule on the Sun, with and without clouds, in haze and in cloudy weather, and also at sunset. Finally, as a result of a long experiment, I began to get negatives of normal density.
    The fact is that when shooting in the bright Sun, with sharp shadows, at f16 - 1/500, the negative always turns out weak. At f11 - 1/500, the negative is also weak! Only at the aperture f8 and even f5.6 with a shutter speed of 1/500 did the negatives begin to turn out to be of normal density. Moreover, the results of my experiment confirm the exposure meter readings - in bright sunlight, July-August, in my area, with ISO 400 film, Sunny 16 starts working with aperture f8. If you shoot in the shade or from sun to shade, the aperture should not be less than f4 - f5.6.
    It's not all that clear-cut, right?. Before using the Sunny 16 rule, be sure to shoot and develop a test film.
    Thank you for your attention and all the best to you, colleagues!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Місяць тому +1

      Hey, many thanks for your detailed feedback! I do often use the "sunny 16" myself but I admit I almost never shoot ISO 400 film - if I do, like JCH Streetpan 400, I tend to expose it like ISO 200-250 ... so that would kind of confirm your findings! What ISO 400 film do you use?
      Also, I never use f/16 in practice, I go for f/11 in very bright sunlight. Maybe f/16 is more for when you are at the sea (and the water reflects light) or in the snow (so the snow reflects light ...) or something like that.
      In the end "sunny 16" just a starting point. So you did the right thing: Experiment and get to your own findings!
      Warm regards to Kharkov!

    • @momotguitars
      @momotguitars Місяць тому

      @@tomscameras

    • @momotguitars
      @momotguitars Місяць тому

      @@tomscameras Shooting on film is quite expensive for me, so I once bought about 30 m of what seemed to me to be a universal film, Fomapan 400, and have been shooting only on it for about a year now.

  • @linjicakonikon7666
    @linjicakonikon7666 3 роки тому +1

    Superb video, the very best UA-cam demonstration of The "Sunny Sixteen" method of film exposure.🌟🌟🌟

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Well, many thanks! Glad you like it!

  • @marcusjenkins
    @marcusjenkins 2 роки тому

    The best sunny 16 explanation on UA-cam

  • @CARLA19822
    @CARLA19822 3 роки тому +2

    Very helpful, danke!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Thanks! Hope you have fun trying it out yourself!

  • @pispikaki
    @pispikaki 2 роки тому +1

    This was direct , simply explained and very very helpful. Thank you!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  2 роки тому +1

      Many thanks! I hope you have fun and success trying it out for yourself!

  • @69tubeB
    @69tubeB 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic tutorial video. Somewhere I read that Sunny 16 rule works when the subject is Front or Side lighted - is that always true?
    Can’t I take photo of a subject which is back lighted with Sunny 16 rule.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      It works best with front or side light, yes. If your subject is backlit, then you have to decide if you want to expose on the background - and have the subject e.g. like a dark silhouette - or expose on the subject itself.
      In the first case, I'd use standard "sunny 16", depending on how bright the background is (e.g. sun shines through the leaves of a tree etc.) you can even under expose by 1 stop then.
      If you want to expose on the subject itself, I would recommend over exposure by about 2 stops.
      Best is if you practice a bit for yourself.
      I'm using sunny 16 a lot by now and I see how my results are getting better and better!

    • @69tubeB
      @69tubeB 3 роки тому

      @@tomscameras - thanks for the explanation.
      Another question, in this video you have used different aperture, shutter speed & ISO combinations for different lighting conditions.
      In that case can we call this as “Sunny 16” rules where “16” indicates F/16?

  • @davidmiller6504
    @davidmiller6504 Рік тому

    Nice explanation and content

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому

      Thanks David, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @devroombagchus7460
    @devroombagchus7460 2 роки тому +1

    Did you try this with slide film? I can assure you it won’t work. B&W has a lot of latitude to save you and there are options in post processing.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  2 роки тому +1

      Yes, you are right: Sunny 16 is definitely not made for slide film, because there you want to have exactly the right exposure. I also explain that in my video :)

  • @markfisher299
    @markfisher299 2 роки тому +1

    Good video pal

  • @federicoflores4657
    @federicoflores4657 3 роки тому +1

    I really liked the simple way of explanation and the shots taken with their shooting parameters in the sunny 16 rule. By the way I added a Like and subscribed.
    If you can help me, what is the difference between the capture of photons (light) on a colour negative on the sensor of digital cameras. ? Thank you. Take care. All the best.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Federico, thanks for your comment! I am not entirely sure about your question analogue vs. digital. Very simply said, analogue film is a chemical process, the light-sensitive emulsion in the film normally consists of a thin layer of various silver halides and silver halides do react when light hits them. There are other chemicals added to form the different color layers if it's color negative film. Later when you develop and fix the film, you thus get a negative image. Photographic film is really a wonder of chemistry.
      Whereas in digital photography, you have a sensor that consists of tiny photoelectric cells, these react to light and transform it into electricity. (Very roughly like a solar cell also does transform light to electricity.) Then you set up an array of several of these cells (like individual pixels ...) next to each other, and voilà you've got a digital sensor.
      Note that these photoelectric cells cannot differentiate colors, that is why there normally is a color filter in front of every single pixel - red, green or blue - that's called a Bayer filter!
      I'm super simplifying things here, if you want to know anything more specific, or wanted to know something else in the first place, just feel free to ask again ;)

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Maybe you also find this link interesting: How to make a daguerreotype for yourself. This gives you a lot of insight into how an analogue photo is created:
      www.dpreview.com/news/1895936545/video-how-to-safely-make-a-35mm-daguerreotype-at-home

  • @jacovanlith5082
    @jacovanlith5082 2 роки тому +1

    I doubt it you are right.
    I deny the correctness of the rule of Sunny 16.
    Which aperture in the snow and on the beach in the Summer?
    My carton Agfa Berlin two ruler exposure meter made in 1920 is better.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  2 роки тому +1

      Sunny 16 is a rule of thumb. It's not the perfect fit for all extreme situations. Also think of long, dark winters ... but having said that: if you're using a typical low/medium ISO negative film, you've got a lot of leeway, especially you can over expose quite a lot.
      I made this video about two years ago and today I'm shooting cameras without meters regularly and don't often miss the meter. If in doubt, I just use an iPhone app. Especially when the sun is already low over the horizon. But often I can go for hours and not use any app, just following Sunny 16. I'm myself kind of amazed how good it works in many situations, and again: Yes there are also many situations where it wont work (or needs a lot of additions, like your 1920 meter will have).

    • @richardreddyrredd8110
      @richardreddyrredd8110 Рік тому

      Don't worry about it Jaco. Just manually bracket your exposure and you'll probably get a decent exposure from one of the shots. f22 is probably what you want to use in snow and beach scenes with bright sun. If not science behind the sunny 16 rule, there are at least decades of experience that shows the sunny 16 rule actually works. But as Tom points out, it is a reasonable approximation. If we want pinpoint accuracy, we might try taking our digital cameras with us and matrix meter the scene, note the shutter and aperture indicated and adjust the old film camera accordingly. Ken Rockwell suggests that in the context of trying to implement the zone exposure system. I'm not certain, and not asserting as fact, but It may be that the zone exposure system (said to have been articulated by Ansel Adams et al in the late 1930s) and sunny 16 rule were born about the same time. It was a different age with different technology but that doesn't mean those concepts are wrong or useless. I don't have a separate exposure meter. But your approach of using the Agfa meter Jaco is great and probably is more accurate or precise than the sunny 16 rule. With my Rollei 35s I'll use its meter and the sunny 16 rule and try to cross check them. With my Nikon FM3a I go with it's center weighted meter. With m F5 I use its matrix meter. Different approaches for different cameras with different capabilities. At the end of the day, we all just want to enjoy our photography. Best wishes to you Jaco.

  • @ZeptonicScientist
    @ZeptonicScientist 3 роки тому

    Really great video, great work!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Many thanks! Glad you like it!

  • @myblueandme
    @myblueandme Рік тому

    Lovely. i expose my photos according to the zone system.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому

      I'm too impatient for the zone system, but it's the best possible way to expose !!

  • @marcp.1752
    @marcp.1752 2 роки тому +1

    I use Sunny 16 for ages, on a few SLRs, whereas the interal light meter is being broken, or no more matching batteries could being found.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  2 роки тому +1

      Yes! That's a great use case! Also if you find an old camera somewhere at a swap market or garage sale and would like to test it, it makes sense to stick to 1/100 or 1/250 of a second and just adjust aperture - because those are normally the speeds that work the best, even when the shutter is worn out or the lubricants are old and sticky!

    • @marcp.1752
      @marcp.1752 2 роки тому

      @@tomscameras Just right, Tom ! And, quite often, the slower speeds are somehow stuck, or no more precise, and the same goes for the faster speeds, 1/500s and up.

    • @marcp.1752
      @marcp.1752 2 роки тому

      @@tomscameras I have also a way old Yashica classic Rangefinder, without any kind of lightmeter, and therefore "no batteries included" :) It's pure mechanical, it works that way.

  • @creativework2506
    @creativework2506 3 роки тому +2

    Echt gutes Video!

  • @TakahiroOda
    @TakahiroOda 4 роки тому +1

    Love it!!!!!

  • @vectro1535
    @vectro1535 3 роки тому +1

    You should check your shutter curtain, there might be a hole in it. Great content!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, you are right, I got a weird light effect on a few pictures. However, the Contax II has a metal shutter so there cannot really be a hole like in an old Leica or other cameras. Also the camera was overhauled by a specialist a few years ago. Have to look into that further!

    • @NutsAndMarbles
      @NutsAndMarbles 3 роки тому +1

      tomscameras Looks more like a light leak due to worn baffles to me. I’d inspect the seals between back and body and also the internal baffling around the shutter and on the lens side (possibly an internal reflection issue). It’s clearly happening on only one side though. Good hunting!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      @@NutsAndMarbles Many thanks for your tips! I am really wondering what was going on there and your suggestions will maybe help me to find the source of the light leaks!

  • @paulabla
    @paulabla 2 роки тому

    war richitg hilfreich. danke!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  2 роки тому

      Danke! Dann wünsche ich viel Spaß beim Ausprobieren!

  • @ChristianPerello
    @ChristianPerello 2 роки тому +1

    What if my shutter speed goes from 250 and next click is 500? I have a Konica Auto S2. ASA 400

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  10 місяців тому +1

      I would go for the one that is the closest, and if in doubt, then also go for a little bit of a slower shutter speed. It doesn't matter if you over expose film a bit, but it's always bad to under expose. So in your case, go for 1/250 with ISO 400 film!

  • @colnagocowboy
    @colnagocowboy Рік тому

    I'm old, this is how I learned to shoot and how most of the time I still do. If it's important bracket bracket bracket

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  Рік тому +1

      Yes, you are right about exposure bracketing! That always helps to get the perfect shot whenever you're in doubt!

  • @ChristianPerello
    @ChristianPerello 2 роки тому +1

    I am thinking just setting it to 500?

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  2 роки тому

      Hey! With analog film (negative film, either black and white or color) if in doubt, go just to the next slower speed. A bit of over exposure never hurts! So you have got ISO 400 film, you can shoot it at 1/250 no problem! But having said that, if you go for 1/500 with ISO 400 that is not a big difference so should also work.
      Color slide film is a bit more „picky“ but the sunny 16 rule was really meant for negative film which has some leeway to handle slightly „wrong“ exposures without any problem.

  • @robertobenvieni4058
    @robertobenvieni4058 3 роки тому

    Buongiorno Tomas, che tipo di fotocamera usi in questo video? Grazie Roberto

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Roberto, it is a Zeiss Ikon Contax II, made in 1938.

    • @robertobenvieni4058
      @robertobenvieni4058 3 роки тому +1

      @@tomscameras thanks you very much. Congratulations for your videos. Nice to meet you. Bye

    • @alxdeu2008
      @alxdeu2008 3 роки тому +1

      Thank you Roberto, very informative video, nice camera and viel glück mit super liebe wunsche ich dir,,,, :-)

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      @@alxdeu2008 Thanks a lot for your feedback! I think you meant me and not Roberto 😀

    • @alxdeu2008
      @alxdeu2008 3 роки тому +1

      @@tomscameras yes, i did,, i am sorry for the confusion,,,

  • @laer2873
    @laer2873 3 роки тому +1

    I have a camera where I can only choose Auto, 1/100 og B for shutter speed, and the light meter is broken (therefore Auto is no use). So I want to have my shutter speed at permenantly 1/100. If I use a 400 ISO film, is there a rule I can follow to get the right exposure?

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      Yes! You can still use 1/100 second and use "Sunny 16", but you have to close the aperture by two extra stops! For example, f/16 and 1/400 second is the same as f/32 and 1/100 second! (You can also do the other way round - in my video there is a photo where I use f/2.8 and 1/500 second instead of f/5.6 and 1/125 second. Both gives exactly the same amount of exposure!)
      Now it can well be that your lens does not offer f/32. I would say if you are not in a super bright location (desert / mountains with snow etc.) then you won't have a problem. Use negative film (no slide film!). The film can easily handle 1-2 stops of "wrong" exposure!
      And if you are in a really bright location like desert / snow-covered mountains etc., then using ISO 400 film does not make any sense anyway.

    • @laer2873
      @laer2873 3 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much, very informative! All my lenses go to f22, and I'll probably switch to a 200 ISO soon anyway, when the days get brighter here I Denmark. Thank you again!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      @@laer2873 yes ... or just go for ISO 100!

  • @Questionthis1
    @Questionthis1 3 роки тому

    This seems like it should only work in ideal lighting conditions. For example shooting on portra 400 at 1/400 at f/5.6 feels way under exposed but that’s just my gut 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Well it depends on the lighting conditions. As described in my video or elsewhere when you search for sunny 16. Why shouldn’t it work?

    • @George-tp7zz
      @George-tp7zz 3 роки тому +1

      Your falling into the common mistaken mindset that the Sunny 16 method is a fixed method. It’s not. It’s a base. It’s basically the same as an incident light meter but using your eyes.
      You shift it which ever way you want using the correct stops to balance it.
      You say Portra 400 at 1/400 at f/5.6 feels way under exposed and let’s say under the lighting conditions at the time it is. You can then over expose it a stop by shooting it at 1/250 at f/5.6.
      Still want to keep it at box speed but add some more light? No problem. Open the aperture to f/4.
      But hang on, you decide you actually don’t want such a shallow depth of field. So you decide to close your aperture from f/4 to f/8. This is 2 f stops so you then need to balance this by decreasing your shutter speed by two stops which would be 1/125. You’ve balanced the exposure using Sunny 16 as a base.
      When I set my digital camera in Shutter Priority mode it comes very very close to Sunny 16. When I use an incident light meter before I even look at my light meter I’ve used Sunny 16 in my head, I then look at the light meter and guess what….95% it’s accurate to what I thought it would be.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      @@George-tp7zz Very good advice, many thanks for your comment!!

  • @ZippyDChimp-mr1tf
    @ZippyDChimp-mr1tf 3 роки тому +2

    Sunny 16 worked fine for me. All my years using Leica M3, M4 and IIIf cameras it gave very useable images without a light meter.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Thanks also for your feedback! Now that I am shooting analog much more frequently with various cameras, I also find myself often in a situation where I don’t bother to measure light, cause sunny 16 just works very well. With more experience you also get a feeling for additional adjustments in certain more complex situations.

    • @jacovanlith5082
      @jacovanlith5082 2 роки тому

      I doubt it you are right.
      I deny the correctness of the rule of Sunny 16.
      Which aperture in the snow and on the beach in the Summer?
      My carton Agfa Berlin two ruler exposure meter made in 1920 is better.

    • @ZippyDChimp-mr1tf
      @ZippyDChimp-mr1tf 2 роки тому

      @@jacovanlith5082 f22, it even said as much in the included instruction sheet inside the box.

  • @frankfotografiert.2527
    @frankfotografiert.2527 3 роки тому

    Absolut wundervoll!

  • @mugshot749
    @mugshot749 3 роки тому

    I am "an old pro" and I come from a generation that not only had to be able to judge light, but also distance in the days before cameras had rangefinders, and I believe many of today's DSLR photographers would benefit by learning these skills.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      Yes, I also believe that it totally helps to learn and practice those skills. Also it feels like a relief to me not having to rely on technology that much!

    • @jacovanlith5082
      @jacovanlith5082 2 роки тому

      I doubt it you are right.
      I deny the correctness of the rule of Sunny 16.
      Which aperture in the snow and on the beach in the Summer?
      My carton Agfa Berlin two ruler exposure meter made in 1920 is better.

  • @nickfanzo
    @nickfanzo 3 роки тому +2

    Light meters always distract me when shooting that’s why I use my m3 more than my m6

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +1

      Sometimes I have the same feeling. It's funny because a few years ago I'd have said it is crazy to shoot a camera without a light meter, and by now it feels very natural to me!
      I'm currently thinking to get a classic Nikon and am considering a Nikon F eyelevel without light meter - before prices rise more. OTOH, I've already got more than enough cameras to shoot, but that's a different topic :)

    • @jacovanlith5082
      @jacovanlith5082 2 роки тому

      I doubt it you are right.
      I deny the correctness of the rule of Sunny 16.
      Which aperture in the snow and on the beach in the Summer?
      My carton Agfa Berlin two ruler exposure meter made in 1920 is better.

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo 2 роки тому

      @@jacovanlith5082 what?

  • @Amia67360
    @Amia67360 7 місяців тому

    Schade, dass du nur Us babbelst, ich versteh da nicht viel! Es wäre angebracht, wenn du ein derartiges Video neu auf deutsch machen würdest, damit die (rein) Deutschsprachigen auch etwas davon abbekommen. Das Thema scheint interessant, zumindest für mich, da ich 'ne alte Leica M3 ohne Belichtungsmesser besitze. Ich freue mich auf dein neues Video mit vielen praktischen Beispielen, in deutscher Sprache.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  7 місяців тому

      Es tut mir leid, dass Du die Sprache nicht verstehst. Aber dafür gibt es halt natürlich sehr viele andere Zuschauer, die kein Deutsch verstehen. Ich kann es nicht jedem recht machen und mein Kanal ist auch aus Zeitgründen nur in einer Sprache.
      Was Du gerne machen kannst, ist die Untertitel aktivieren - da ist auch eine automatische Übersetzung auf Deutsch verfügbar. Da alle Untertitel in allen meinen Videos sorgfältig editiert sind, sollte auch die Qualität der Übersetzung relativ gut sein. Ansonsten gibt es natürlich auch sehr viele andere sehr gute Kanäle, die deutschsprachig sind.

    • @Amia67360
      @Amia67360 7 місяців тому

      @@tomscameras Danke für die rasche Antwort. Klar, dass man es allen nicht recht machen kann. Es gibt, sagst du, sehr viele andere Zuschauer, die kein Deutsch verstehen, aber gibt es nicht auch sehr viele andere, die Shakespears Sprache nicht intus haben? Du könntest doch mal den Spiess umdrehen, und den Nicht-Deutsch-Verstehenden" raten, die treue Us-Übersetzung zu lesen ! Warum nur und ausschliesslich in eine Richtung fahren? Einmal drehst du dein Video auf Deutsch (dann lesen die Amys die treue Übersetzung) und ein anderes Mal drehst du dein Video auf Us-language (und wir lesen die treue Übersetzung) : das wär doch eine gerechte Verteilung, oder nicht? Und das gäbe dir überhaupt nicht mehr Arbeit, wenn du in der Muttersprache dich äussern würdest, da ja die Übersetzung für die Us-Sprechenden vorhanden ist.
      Das Gute in deinem Video sind die praktischen Beispiele mit Angabe der Daten, anderswo konnte ich das nicht so richtig finden, nur eigentlich bei den Amys, bei denen oft die Übersetzung nicht vorhanden ist. Du könntest also wieder ein Video über "Sonne 16" drehen, mit anderen Situationen und Kommentaren, halt nur auf Deutsch und folglich automatischer Übersetzung für die Cousins im Us-Staat und anderswo ! Na ...?

  • @randallstewart175
    @randallstewart175 3 роки тому +2

    Well. he explains the concept of the Sunny 16 rule. But like his other YT video makers on this subject, many of whom proudly announce that they don't need no stinking light meter, he fails to explain that even the most diligent application of the rule can result in an exposure which is up to 2 stops over or under correct exposure. Why? Because the brightness of the sun, the reference point for the rule, varies greatly for two reasons: (1) the latitude of the photographer's location, and (2) the season of the year. While it would be possible to take such additional factors into account, doing so would make the "rule" more troublesome to apply than it would be worth. So if you value your time and investment in film, forget it.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому +3

      The point of this video and today’s application of sunny 16 is not to have most accurate exposure, of course. The point is to reenact how photography worked in the old times. Why would you use a camera from the 1930s or 1950s anyway? More modern ones will be easier to use and better in quality, but that’s missing the point. And also what’s wrong about gaining some knowledge about lighting? I do find it liberating to be able to guess exposure even if it’s not 100% accurate! Remember that photography is fun and it is not always about perfection!
      But you are right, there are a lot of additions to the simple "Sunny 16" rule, and huge exposure tables that have been used in the old days, sometimes even printed or engraved on some cameras! Of course then it comes quickly to a point where you'd just rather use a modern exposure meter. But maybe I'll once make another video about this subject ...

    • @LeendertCordemans
      @LeendertCordemans 3 роки тому

      The sunny 16 rules works perfect on old camera's from those days, because in those days the film rol was not so accurated as now. The film rol speeds ASA was not so fast as now. For example, i like to a lot with my Zeiss Ikon Nettar 512, which has 4 speeds, 25, 50, 100, B and T. In those days where 25, 50 or 100 ASA. That was very fast at that time. And now to day I will only using 125 ASA max. Not 400 as a lot photografers using. It's to fast.

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras  3 роки тому

      @@LeendertCordemans Thanks for your comment! I agree it is easier with slower cameras and film speeds. I have a Zeiss Ikon 6x9 box camera that has only one single speed setting. (plus long-time of course)
      But you can vary the aperture between f/11, f/16 and f/22. Not a lot from today's point of view :) ... I believe most photographers were not as focused on getting hyper accurate exposure as we are today ... but with a slow b&w film and 6x9 cm negative, what can go wrong if your exposure is off a little bit!

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo 3 роки тому +1

      There are many photographers who didn’t ever use meters and were fine.

  • @John-wq6ye
    @John-wq6ye Місяць тому

    I watched with interest until your crack about Scotland...bye