In this video i put Hornby, Bachmann and Hattons class 66s head to head to see what model is the best Link to the Facebook page: / jubilee-road-model-rai...
I got the Hornby 66 for £63 brand new. Smooth, quiet runner and it pulled 9 coaches with ease. I don't care for detail or DCC so it was a great choice for me.
Id have to go for the Bachmann I have several and all run well with no motor or derailing issues plus no delicate detailing bits to get damaged and lost , stick a tts sound chip in and all for less than cost of hattons dcc ready loco. Good video when will you do update on the rebuild.
I had the derailing issue with my Bachmann 66. It came from the front end bogie when the NEM socket was catching on the fittings for the air dam on the front end. I shaved off the fittings with a hobby knife and that sorted it
Hi Matt , great video . My Bachman 66 can derail with track work that is not perfect where as other loco's have no problems , just a slight uphill can cause issues . Stay safe ........Peter
Hi Matt - That was an interesting comparison , I have 3 of the Hornby 66s and with a TTS decoder I can get sound for under £100 . But it can never compare with the Bachmann or Hattons models. Personally between the 2 I would go for Hattons with the extra detail. Keep safe …………….Cheers Kev
Hornby 66 is an absolute bargain. I have a Hornby 66789 bought for under £70. It runs faultlessly and the large logo livery looks superb. I also have a Bachmann 66, 66701 from a few years back and it is much heavier with more detail etc but it derails on curved points! Hattons 66 looks good but I have read about too many quality issues to buy one of those at the moment.
My Bachmann 66 (freightliner) runs like a dream. The only problem I had was a point that it derailed on. But that one was dodgy anyway. Perhaps its just like the first batch that was a bit dodgy. Great vid Lewis
Or it arriving damaged in the box, like both of mine have. Had to send the first one back as it had glue marks all over both sides, and the replacement has wonky buffers, the fuel tank was falling out, and it isn’t a good runner.
I don't care for the 66s too much, but I do still like the Hornby model I've got. Sure the mechanism and overall detail aren't absolutely outstanding, but there's enough charm on that thing for me to not regret buying her (not to mention it's a lot more affordable than the other two). The specific 66 I've got is No. 66773 'Pride of GB Railfreight'.
Hattons easily the winner, but there do seem to be some QC issues with it, wobbling running, axel boxes , derailing on points . You could get two Hornbys for the price of a Hattons though . Worth considering
I recently got a GBRf 66 form hornby, but I need you help Matt. Is the hornby GBRf blue lighter than the Bachman GBRf blue? I would like to know this as I am re numbering mine into 66784
Hi Nigel yep just got my 37 back from Bachmann a new motor only had the loco for 6 month firs one had a problem yes be good to know what is the fix Regards Ron. Stanbridge Ford Spensley Junction.
really liked the bachmann 66 when had 00, but the hornby one was decent when i got one, with some of the things ive heard about the hattons 66 im not sure if id of spent the money, if i still did 00,
They’re prone to having issues. Don’t expect it to arrive in perfect condition- I had to send mine back because it had glue marks on the side, and the replacement has a bent front air dam so the buffers are wonky. I’ve heard many other complaints. I’m not going to stop you- but they feel a bit rushed at the manufacture stage. (I prefer Bachmann ones myself.)
@@al66class59 got mine this week, the biffa shed... mine arrived perfect with no issues at all and no marks or detail problems except one small airline being broken which isnt noticeable so im fine with it... a great looker but just hoping it looks alright next to my bachmann one im wanting to get
The problem with all locos is - that ist my experience of 56 years of modelrailroading - that they have to be run in. Give them 30 minutes in each direction without train, that will do. Then there is the weight of a loco and the number of powered axles. The real pulling power can only be seen, when the locos are in action with a train. We saw it at our club´s layout when the whole train was inside the gradient of 2,5 %.The retail price for my class 66 by Bachmann in EWS Version was 60 pounds, just in the beginning of production. I´m satiesfied with this loco.Nice video, best wishes from Germany. The hattons engine is for my mind to expensive in price, I won´t buy one.
HI Matt Just sent a Backmann 37 back had a motor problem just got it back new motor. i all so have 66065 Backmann never has a problem over point work. run very well. the Hatton 66 has problem as you say with the Axles boxes coming off but not have one but there lot of money knowing Hattons they will sort it out nice video Regards Ron. Stanbridge Ford Spensley Junction Garden Railway.
Great video, and now having seen that people have to modify the Hatton's one 'out the box' to even run across points for £160 quid, it makes you think whether they should have concentrated on what's inside the loco more than the outside which does look outstanding, but completely useless if it is unreliable.
I have the hornby golden jubilee version (with the union Jack one) and it is a absolutely a bargain I've added a bit more detail with a spec of paint and added a tts chip I cant justify spending hattons prices which have there own issues
You could probably pick up two or three Hornby 66s for the rrp price of the Hattons one. Okay you don’t get the detail, but weather them up and whose going to notice. Plus the Hornby one didn’t seem to have mechanical or running issues..!
Matthew what a good line up of your Class 66's and in real live I have seen all 3 but my top 3 will start with 3rd Colas Rail Freight 66846 not Named and yes it's nice tho the livery can get dirty 2nd GBRF 66789 Named British Rail 1948 - 1997 yes a nice model tho the name plate still wonky and at the top you can still see a bit of white 1st is DB Schenker 66185 which you did not mention it's name DP WORLD London Gateway. Now 66185 Operator history which has DB Schenker on it's side of your model is in fact DB Cargo UK from 02/03/2016 to Present. James Joseph JJ Dyer
DB Schenker renamed themselves as DB Cargo. It’s still the same company. 185 used to wear DB Schenker logos; it’s not necessarily intended to replicate the loco as it is today. The DB logo currently worn by the real loco is the same small DB logo as it had when schenker lettering was applied, though.
Good video... I'm with Class 158 Productions and Stephen Nelmes ........ For those thinking of ordering a Hattons 66, check out Class 158 Productions and Gowerton Parkway first... I solved the derailment problems on the Bachmann class 66 by adding 4ba washer on the top of the bogies to adjust the ride height - see my channel or Gowerton Parkway for what's involved... Regards Nigel
I think Hornby have got it right. We need simpler, cheaper budget models like this. Great potential for customisation as We all used to do in the 80’s and 90’s. You really don’t want to take the Xacto modelling knife to a £100+ model. I really beleive there’s a market for simple, low priced models.
@@Leathersladekitchen Tom ain't wrong, they were shipped out with faulty axle boxes, I had one and after about 20 seconds of running axle boxes would start popping out one by one from the bogies. Then a lot of the detailing parts and easily damaged with a slight touch, one of the buffers fell out. Then there was a questionable design choice in regards to couplings, that being to add couplings to both ends of the locos you need to remove the entire body which clipped on, hope to god you don't damage the detailing, unscrew the entire buffer beam to add a new one which had to be sanded down as it didn't fit the chassis correctly... Then they decided to use a over complicated NEM attachment system. For £150, multiple delays and the fact they told everyone that this would be the BEST class 66 on the market I'm disgusted that being a customer who opted for the early air freight batch I received such a faulty product. for about £30 less I could find a good Bachmann 66 and for under half the price I could get a all round nice Hornby 66.
Dethrax Video Wing granted, but I think Hattons have taken an undue kicking on these, they tried to do everything possible to make the best model and yes, it has had issues, but to say they’ve had major flaws is a bit of a strong line, they’ve sold probably hundreds of not thousands and a few people, probably less than 100 have had any real issues. I’d call a 90% successful delivery on what bridges the gap between RTR and finescale pretty good, wouldn’t you?
@@Leathersladekitchen Oh sorry we must live in completely different worlds but a locomotive which is £150 shouldn't have that many faults in that many cases. The axle boxes on advanced models sent out to UA-camrs were prone to falling out randomly this was before the airfreight models were due to be shipped out, Hattons themselves said that they would be glued in and fixed. Got mine and they weren't, not a random mistake with mine but a massive design flaw on Hatton's part, they had a article on their site just telling people to glue them in. They also lied which is part of my many gripes. For all the delays for releasing it, they had no excuses for how many issues which they had. It should had been somewhere close to perfect, but I found issue after issue which my Bachmann and Hornby models don't have. I brought a 'brand new' Heljan DP2 at a slightly lower price and it didn't have nearly the same amount of issues. In the same time frame I got myself a Hornby Flying Scotsman for a similar price, runs like a dream and honestly it's perfect as a model. Did you get one yourself by any chance? Or are you just regurgitating what your mates mate said...
James Vaisey Watch this ua-cam.com/video/80OCOXTjcec/v-deo.html then tell us again how saying major flaws is strong. “Probably less than 100 have had issues” - do you know that or is it total guesswork? Wind it in instead of plucking numbers out of the air.
just to add to: Hornby, basically the old Lima loco, which, in it's day was fine, and slight Hornby upgrade later still does what it says on the box, put some time, effort and cash into one, and it'll be fine. Bachmann, early ones, bags of s****, bogie clearance and pick-up deficiencies, rectified on later batches, but again, a 15+ year old model, and again, if you know what you're doing, will run and look just fine. Hattons, Hmmm, lots to be said, over-hyped, certainly over- engineered, certainly, a step too far on somewhat gimicky details, might turn round and bite them ( hattons) BUT having recently got one, they are nice, yes, costly ( DCC sound fitted) but not much more if you have a standard loco and have it PROFESSIONALLY done, ( see Roads-and-Rails ) and again, on costs and budgets, if you only want one, for a small layout, buy the best you can, if you want a big fleet to fill your shed and one on every train, go Hornby or, as in real life, as EWS did, go EMD, they were built down to a budget too.
You literally can't compare the Hornby 66 to the Hattons 66, the Hattons 66 has a real presence on the track with detailing light years ahead whereas the Hornby just looks like a cheap toy. This leaves the Bachmann 66 in a bad position as it is too close in price to the Hattons model but having said that the Hattons 66 does have a major QC problem causing a lot of issues with the model. Glad you mentioned the hand rails on the Hattons 66, to me they are over scale on the cab fronts and protrude too far out on the cab doors.
I just can’t get a good condition Hattons shed. Definitely seem rushed at the manufacture stage. First one had glue all over the sides so was promptly sent back, replacement isn’t much better as the detailing is damaged. Cba to send it back again so I just won’t use it often
WRONG Hornby is the best hands downwhy pay ££££££££££££ for unnecessary lighting...........etc and people are having no end of trouble with the Hattons 66........if you tamper with models in anyway surely you invalidate warranty too
I got the Hornby 66 for £63 brand new.
Smooth, quiet runner and it pulled 9 coaches with ease. I don't care for detail or DCC so it was a great choice for me.
For me, a budget modeller, Hornby wins it all day long. Love my Hornby Class 66.
Brian Elder same here
Brian your so right, i love them, superb printing on all, superb runner and good tts sound for judt over 100!Hornby for me, cheers Nick.
I agree and its the most expensive loco ive bought to date!
Red Shed 66077
I got mine for £59 brand new, massive bargain, sadly it failed after a week, we sent it to Hornby and got our refund.
@@Ed_Gilbert that's unfortunate, I suppose it can happen, in general I think they're a decent budget model.
Id have to go for the Bachmann I have several and all run well with no motor or derailing issues plus no delicate detailing bits to get damaged and lost , stick a tts sound chip in and all for less than cost of hattons dcc ready loco.
Good video when will you do update on the rebuild.
I had the derailing issue with my Bachmann 66. It came from the front end bogie when the NEM socket was catching on the fittings for the air dam on the front end. I shaved off the fittings with a hobby knife and that sorted it
Hi Matt , great video . My Bachman 66 can derail with track work that is not perfect where as other loco's have no problems , just a slight uphill can cause issues . Stay safe ........Peter
Great video Matt I personally don’t think the hattons one is worth the money
Cool video, Matt. Comparing is always hard- especially when price range and intended Market come in to play. Anyhow, Cheers and stay safe!
Hi Matt - That was an interesting comparison , I have 3 of the Hornby 66s and with a TTS decoder I can get sound for under £100 . But it can never compare with the Bachmann or Hattons models. Personally between the 2 I would go for Hattons with the extra detail.
Keep safe …………….Cheers Kev
Hornby 66 is an absolute bargain. I have a Hornby 66789 bought for under £70. It runs faultlessly and the large logo livery looks superb. I also have a Bachmann 66, 66701 from a few years back and it is much heavier with more detail etc but it derails on curved points! Hattons 66 looks good but I have read about too many quality issues to buy one of those at the moment.
Sadly got rid of my Bachmann 66 due to derailing. May get another one from Hornby
Great video I have 2 Bachmann 66s dating back to around 2010 which run just fine . Who actually manufacture the hattons version ?
My Bachmann 66 (freightliner) runs like a dream. The only problem I had was a point that it derailed on. But that one was dodgy anyway. Perhaps its just like the first batch that was a bit dodgy. Great vid
Lewis
No mention of the Hattons 66 prone to bits falling off?
Or it arriving damaged in the box, like both of mine have. Had to send the first one back as it had glue marks all over both sides, and the replacement has wonky buffers, the fuel tank was falling out, and it isn’t a good runner.
The only thing that really sets itself apart from the Bachmann one is the sound, it is way better.
Just ordered a new bacmann ews 66 with sound for £190, good price I thought.
RIP OFF COULD GET 3 hornby 1s for that
I have both Bachmann and hornby 66 I love both but hornby 66 I very good for a budget model 👍
I've ordered a Hornby 66. It will be my first one. I hope it will run with my Lima Class 59.
great video matt can't wait for your review on the hornby 1:1 collection bittern
I like bachmans just because of the livery lol. I love the Colas livery, also your weathering looks great
I don't care for the 66s too much, but I do still like the Hornby model I've got. Sure the mechanism and overall detail aren't absolutely outstanding, but there's enough charm on that thing for me to not regret buying her (not to mention it's a lot more affordable than the other two). The specific 66 I've got is No. 66773 'Pride of GB Railfreight'.
Why did you buy that livery
My pick is the Bachmann Cheers Greg
Hattons easily the winner, but there do seem to be some QC issues with it, wobbling running, axel boxes , derailing on points . You could get two Hornbys for the price of a Hattons though . Worth considering
I recently got a GBRf 66 form hornby, but I need you help Matt. Is the hornby GBRf blue lighter than the Bachman GBRf blue? I would like to know this as I am re numbering mine into 66784
Good video, Matt.
Great video Matt.
You mentioned problems with the Bachmann motors and that you fixed them !!
What were they and what were the fixes ?
Cheers mate.
Hi Nigel yep just got my 37 back from Bachmann a new motor only had the loco for 6 month firs one had a problem yes be good to know what is the fix Regards Ron. Stanbridge Ford Spensley Junction.
just wondered matt how do you edit your videos
really liked the bachmann 66 when had 00, but the hornby one was decent when i got one, with some of the things ive heard about the hattons 66 im not sure if id of spent the money, if i still did 00,
All of them
All of them
All of them
I might be getting the hattons 66 soon
They’re prone to having issues. Don’t expect it to arrive in perfect condition- I had to send mine back because it had glue marks on the side, and the replacement has a bent front air dam so the buffers are wonky. I’ve heard many other complaints.
I’m not going to stop you- but they feel a bit rushed at the manufacture stage. (I prefer Bachmann ones myself.)
@@al66class59 got mine this week, the biffa shed... mine arrived perfect with no issues at all and no marks or detail problems except one small airline being broken which isnt noticeable so im fine with it... a great looker but just hoping it looks alright next to my bachmann one im wanting to get
The problem with all locos is - that ist my experience of 56 years of modelrailroading - that they have to be run in. Give them 30 minutes in each direction without train, that will do. Then there is the weight of a loco and the number of powered axles. The real pulling power can only be seen, when the locos are in action with a train. We saw it at our club´s layout when the whole train was inside the gradient of 2,5 %.The retail price for my class 66 by Bachmann in EWS Version was 60 pounds, just in the beginning of production. I´m satiesfied with this loco.Nice video, best wishes from Germany. The hattons engine is for my mind to expensive in price, I won´t buy one.
HI Matt Just sent a Backmann 37 back had a motor problem just got it back new motor. i all so have 66065 Backmann never has a problem over point work. run very well. the Hatton 66 has problem as you say with the Axles boxes coming off but not have one but there lot of money knowing Hattons they will sort it out nice video Regards Ron. Stanbridge Ford Spensley Junction Garden Railway.
Great video, and now having seen that people have to modify the Hatton's one 'out the box' to even run across points for £160 quid, it makes you think whether they should have concentrated on what's inside the loco more than the outside which does look outstanding, but completely useless if it is unreliable.
I have the hornby golden jubilee version (with the union Jack one) and it is a absolutely a bargain I've added a bit more detail with a spec of paint and added a tts chip I cant justify spending hattons prices which have there own issues
Decent review Matt,ive got the Hornby British Rail version,its been a decent purchase tbh.
Three manufactures enter only one can leave!
LETS GET REDY TO... model?
You could probably pick up two or three Hornby 66s for the rrp price of the Hattons one. Okay you don’t get the detail, but weather them up and whose going to notice. Plus the Hornby one didn’t seem to have mechanical or running issues..!
Wow speed in the real life
Wow speed in the real life
Matthew what a good line up of your Class 66's and in real live I have seen all 3 but my top 3 will start with 3rd Colas Rail Freight 66846 not Named and yes it's nice tho the livery can get dirty 2nd GBRF 66789 Named British Rail 1948 - 1997 yes a nice model tho the name plate still wonky and at the top you can still see a bit of white 1st is DB Schenker 66185 which you did not mention it's name DP WORLD London Gateway. Now 66185 Operator history which has DB Schenker on it's side of your model is in fact DB Cargo UK from 02/03/2016 to Present. James Joseph JJ Dyer
DB Schenker renamed themselves as DB Cargo. It’s still the same company.
185 used to wear DB Schenker logos; it’s not necessarily intended to replicate the loco as it is today. The DB logo currently worn by the real loco is the same small DB logo as it had when schenker lettering was applied, though.
With hattons many problems, not just the quality. There are some livery and body errors. Still an exceptional model but a big letdown.
Hattons class 66 comes out on top every time
Good video...
I'm with Class 158 Productions and Stephen Nelmes ........ For those thinking of ordering a Hattons 66, check out Class 158 Productions and Gowerton Parkway first...
I solved the derailment problems on the Bachmann class 66 by adding 4ba washer on the top of the bogies to adjust the ride height - see my channel or Gowerton Parkway
for what's involved... Regards Nigel
Hattons class 66 all the way.
I think Hornby have got it right. We need simpler, cheaper budget models like this. Great potential for customisation as We all used to do in the 80’s and 90’s. You really don’t want to take the Xacto modelling knife to a £100+ model.
I really beleive there’s a market for simple, low priced models.
Even more coincidental, your colas 66 is 66846, and mine is 66847!
Just got my Hattons 66 for £119! 👍🏻😁
The hattons one is £150
Funnily enough, I have a Hornby Colas 66 and Bachmann DB 66, the opposite of you!
The Hatton’s 66 seems to have some serious quality/build issues.
Got one have you? No, thought not, wind it in instead of regurgitating what your mates mate said...
@@Leathersladekitchen Tom ain't wrong, they were shipped out with faulty axle boxes, I had one and after about 20 seconds of running axle boxes would start popping out one by one from the bogies. Then a lot of the detailing parts and easily damaged with a slight touch, one of the buffers fell out.
Then there was a questionable design choice in regards to couplings, that being to add couplings to both ends of the locos you need to remove the entire body which clipped on, hope to god you don't damage the detailing, unscrew the entire buffer beam to add a new one which had to be sanded down as it didn't fit the chassis correctly... Then they decided to use a over complicated NEM attachment system.
For £150, multiple delays and the fact they told everyone that this would be the BEST class 66 on the market I'm disgusted that being a customer who opted for the early air freight batch I received such a faulty product. for about £30 less I could find a good Bachmann 66 and for under half the price I could get a all round nice Hornby 66.
Dethrax Video Wing granted, but I think Hattons have taken an undue kicking on these, they tried to do everything possible to make the best model and yes, it has had issues, but to say they’ve had major flaws is a bit of a strong line, they’ve sold probably hundreds of not thousands and a few people, probably less than 100 have had any real issues. I’d call a 90% successful delivery on what bridges the gap between RTR and finescale pretty good, wouldn’t you?
@@Leathersladekitchen Oh sorry we must live in completely different worlds but a locomotive which is £150 shouldn't have that many faults in that many cases.
The axle boxes on advanced models sent out to UA-camrs were prone to falling out randomly this was before the airfreight models were due to be shipped out, Hattons themselves said that they would be glued in and fixed. Got mine and they weren't, not a random mistake with mine but a massive design flaw on Hatton's part, they had a article on their site just telling people to glue them in. They also lied which is part of my many gripes.
For all the delays for releasing it, they had no excuses for how many issues which they had. It should had been somewhere close to perfect, but I found issue after issue which my Bachmann and Hornby models don't have. I brought a 'brand new' Heljan DP2 at a slightly lower price and it didn't have nearly the same amount of issues. In the same time frame I got myself a Hornby Flying Scotsman for a similar price, runs like a dream and honestly it's perfect as a model.
Did you get one yourself by any chance? Or are you just regurgitating what your mates mate said...
James Vaisey Watch this ua-cam.com/video/80OCOXTjcec/v-deo.html then tell us again how saying major flaws is strong. “Probably less than 100 have had issues” - do you know that or is it total guesswork? Wind it in instead of plucking numbers out of the air.
Hattons 66 is £150 DCC ready for all liveries.
just to add to: Hornby, basically the old Lima loco, which, in it's day was fine, and slight Hornby upgrade later still does what it says on the box, put some time, effort and cash into one, and it'll be fine. Bachmann, early ones, bags of s****, bogie clearance and pick-up deficiencies, rectified on later batches, but again, a 15+ year old model, and again, if you know what you're doing, will run and look just fine. Hattons, Hmmm, lots to be said, over-hyped, certainly over- engineered, certainly, a step too far on somewhat gimicky details, might turn round and bite them ( hattons) BUT having recently got one, they are nice, yes, costly ( DCC sound fitted) but not much more if you have a standard loco and have it PROFESSIONALLY done, ( see Roads-and-Rails ) and again, on costs and budgets, if you only want one, for a small layout, buy the best you can, if you want a big fleet to fill your shed and one on every train, go Hornby or, as in real life, as EWS did, go EMD, they were built down to a budget too.
You literally can't compare the Hornby 66 to the Hattons 66, the Hattons 66 has a real presence on the track with detailing light years ahead whereas the Hornby just looks like a cheap toy.
This leaves the Bachmann 66 in a bad position as it is too close in price to the Hattons model but having said that the Hattons 66 does have a major QC problem causing a lot of issues with the model.
Glad you mentioned the hand rails on the Hattons 66, to me they are over scale on the cab fronts and protrude too far out on the cab doors.
I just can’t get a good condition Hattons shed. Definitely seem rushed at the manufacture stage. First one had glue all over the sides so was promptly sent back, replacement isn’t much better as the detailing is damaged. Cba to send it back again so I just won’t use it often
@@al66class59 if the model is substanded send it back
Wonder which one's are still running trouble free? my moneys on the Hornby.
I got 3 Bachmann 66s and had no problems on point work so to me your comments are a mystery.
hornby for me.who cares if their is no lights. on the loco. hardly had them in the Triang days. have a foster yeoman loco.
Bit of an early upload eh
Hornby by far the best on ALL counts I have 12 of them
WRONG Hornby is the best hands downwhy pay ££££££££££££ for unnecessary lighting...........etc and people are having no end of trouble with the Hattons 66........if you tamper with models in anyway surely you invalidate warranty too