If this ever does go to court, I sincerely hope SidAlpha is prepared. I don't doubt that any attempt at legal action taken by Jao is likely to be as spurious and nonsensical as the case brought against Jim Sterling by DH. I'm no legal expert, but I would suggest that SidAlpha's lawyer talk to Jim Sterling's lawyer. Not sure how much they can legally share about current and dismissed cases, but if nothing else, Jim's lawyer certainly has experience with unhinged "developers" and could provide some valuable insight. . As far as Jao is concerned, I think bringing this to court would be an egregious waste of the funds he's sourced from his community. If he spent half as much time developing his own content for Day of Dragons as he apparently spends messing around on Discord with sock puppet accounts, he'd still be a sub-standard developer, but at least he could actually be called a developer. Right now, he's just another example of what NOT to do if you want to be a game developer or a public figure. And yes, I know I'm probably understating how wrong all of this is, how bad all of what he's done and what has been done in his name truly is, but even at this stage... I pity him. . He needs an out, and it's just not coming. He needs someone to relieve him of the shovel so he stops digging himself deeper, but as of yet, it seems no one has the will or capacity to do so. And if he wants to be a game developer - a real one - he needs a serious course-correction and the willingness to devote his time to actually building on top of the foundations that he's bought from Unity. What he doesn't need is yet more temptation from any source to dive back into a metaphorical pile of manure. . I pray to whatever divine, arcane or otherworldly entity that will listen that Jao does NOT respond to SidAlpha's call to action. If for no one else's benefit, then at least for the benefit of his financial backers.
@@annabella1650 lookup if the emperor has a text to speech there is an animated heric scene where the Inquisitor just spams the exterminatius button to destroy a planet
This game needs to be removed and Jao needs to be blacklisted from publishing on any major game platform (Origin, Steam, Uplay, Epic). That dude who bullied a minor needs to be reported to the police at this point, as well. Not wait to see Jao do something. Not wait to see the mods do anything. He needs to be reported for abuse of a minor and taken to court, because this is probably not the first time, and will not be the last.
I applaud you for looking up the law, but even that law would not matter in this case. The recording was obtained in an open voice channel, that numerous people were in at the time. In order to claim something is an invasion of privacy, the person making the claim has to have a reasonable expectation of privacy to begin with. This open voice channel with so many people listening certainly doesn't fit that, there was no privacy to begin with.
actually it doesn't matter if its in a discord for an in development game or in just a regular discord under California law there can still be a case. As someone who has had a discussion recorded without my knowledge in a public discord for a server i played on with the attempt to cause toxicity. I can tell you the owners/devs of discord take such things seriously and will take action against the offenders. After submitting my case the person who made the recording was banned from discord completely shortly after an investigation was done. The owners/devs of discord take abuse, bullying , and really any form of verbal assault serious as well as the privacy of the people who use discord. They are required by law to intervene is a report is made that holds serious allegations so even if they didn't want to they have no choice.
As someone who takes care of a person who takes anti-anxiety medication the idea that someone’s health and well-being has been threatened by the actions (or I guess lack thereof) of Jao and his team is disgusting and infuriating on a very personal level. Add to that the other actions put on display here and I am glad I chose not to support this game from the start. When I found it I was just as excited at the prospect of a dragon RPG as everyone else. But I decided to hold off. I’ve been burned before on Kickstarters. I’m glad to see this was the right call. Damn this egomaniacal fuck. Damn him and all his sycophants who mindlessly defend him and his practices.
Jao and his department heads have to watch out, clinical depression and bipolar disorder both count as a disability, and there for are protected characteristics by US federal law. For one of there staff to target that disability of a worker and then go further and attempt to disrupt medication use, is disgusting and against the law. The DOD team are lucky this minor's guardians didnt sue them into oblivion.
My hat's off to you, good sir... You covered the entire DoD disaster in a trilogy of well-informed, well-presented, and impactful videos the likes of which only Peter Jackson could achieve that brought to light the complete and utter scumbag nature of Jao and his team of "developers". Sadly, I know this isn't going to be the end of this matter. Again, excellent work with the video, Sid, looking forward to more Dirty Devs meeting their day in the spotlight.... Sir, I salute you.
Wonderfully said. I was trying to put into words that expressed my gratitude and appreciation of Sud's hard work, information, and hopefully a deterrent to future dirty devs from scamming people the more we can be alerted to simular warning signs. However, I do believe you nailed it perfectly.
for a developer who is supposed to busy updating his "game", he sure has a lot of time to do petty things to anyone who even remotely is displeased with the quality of his game he "spent 2 years" making
Nice video. Some corrections though. 28:28 - This was posted in the fan-made server Forgotten Realms, and Charima is not a dev of DoD. 29:37 - This is in the Bug Test server, which Jao still owns and comments in. He still has not come back to official. That's all that you got wrong that I'm aware of tho
It is safe to say that Day of Dragons potential of being a good game or even a game worth buying is... Now officially ''Ruined & Permanently Tainted.''
And that as they say is that... You weren't kidding about these 3 videos Sid, they must have taken a ton of energy and focus to make. That stuff with the minor definitely crossed a line that any sensible dev would've put a stop to.. Absolutely disgusting!!!
IMO, UA-cam needs to report all declined DMCA notices to the FBI as they constitute violation of federal law against perjury, and unless I'm very much mistaken the FBI is responsible for investigating and pursuing violations of federal law. Whether the FBI takes action would then be on them, but yeah when someone commits a crime they shouldn't just get to walk away from it.
Jao actually broke two federal laws 18 USC § 119 Making Public Restricted Personal Information and 18 U.S. Code § 2261A. a basic summery: with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate, or place under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate another person, uses the mail, any interactive computer service or electronic communication service or electronic communication system of interstate commerce, or any other facility of interstate or foreign commerce to engage in a course of conduct that- (A) places that person in reasonable fear of the death of or serious bodily injury to a person …; or (B) causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to a person … shall be punished as provided in section 2261(b) of this title.”; doxing falls under cyber stalking, stalking, harassment, threats, or extortion in both federal and some state legislation,
I'm really concerned that it doesn't sound like anyone has reported this Crystaline Eagle dude to authorities. A minor is involved, she was being victimized and bullied, and regardless of what she thinks she wants at the time, it is the adults present who have the responsibility to make sure he does not have the access to abuse authority over someone like this again. This is prime predatory behavior of an adult against a young girl, and it is unacceptable.
escially since they basically just taught her not only is it okay for you to be abused if the abuser thinks its best for you but that its wrong to speak up as they unbanned eqal after people got upset they wernt actually punishing him they way his actions earned eagle deserves to be sued out the ass and i gurantee if her parents asked to make a go fund me to sue eagles arse it be funded in a day
Sid, you are by far one of the most fantastic, skilled people I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. You can feel the passion, the anger, all the emotional in each of your statements, and yet you don't let the emotions control you, don't get swept up in the feeling. You are in absolute control, sharpening the blade of pure emotional strength against a grindstone of facts and truth. It's a pleasure to watch you cut down the filth that is Jao, with a beauty and grace that's almost scary in its power. Thank you, for being such a phenomenal example of a human being, and for putting people like the cretins behind Day of Dragons were they belong.
Maljas yeah. I wouldn’t call myself an indie developer just yet because I’m still working on making a game engine. But still this is horrendous behavior and is a direct show of what NOT to do.
I've tested many games under a NDA, no matter what you always read the NDA, i know people don't enjoy reading but its VERY IMPORTANT! because there have been a few times where the NDA sounded very off and i never signed and backed out of testing that game only for it to later faulter and the game never existed. So always be careful and read through NDAs
You know what the worst part about this is? Not just everything that is Jao himself? The worst part about this is that some poor sap who has been developing their own dragon game will receive contempt, concern, animosity, and fear JUST because of what this human being has done to the community. This poor developer will have to fight tooth and nail in an effort to convince people that they are actually making a dragon game, and it's been the dragon game everyone wants. This developer will face non stop mental struggle because their team will be under constant scrutiny of their potential fan base to actually deliver this game all because this ONE GUY had to drag this through the mud, ocean, earth's core, and mud again. I feel for whoever that developer is.
they kinda deserve it then. YOU as a DEV have a choice to pull your work and leave. this game isn't making much because of Jao it's blown up on dozens game websites now.
Erotica Pardon? Why does some random developer, who has no association with this train wreck of a game deserve hate and scorn because another developer failed to deliver? You don’t scrutinize an unrelated developer for simply having a similar game concept, especially if they have the adequacy and skill to create such a game. What the original poster is implying is that other developers with intention to create dragon survival games must now work harder to prove their worth just due to what _Day of Dragons_ has done. It’s unjust in favor of future developers, which unfortunately is how the world works.
@@goldenaries0860 I dont think erotica meant it like that. I think it was a miscommunication. I think he's more talking about jao than any random developer.
Nahh. Its likely that people will be a bit cautious at first. But if shown content is actually made custom, rather than some asset you can just straight off go and buy in a store, there will be people interested. It's likely that this person wouldn't get as easily bashed
Jao and his team needs to be arrested. They defend this unacceptable behavior and they are all in on the lies and corruption. They break online laws, rules, and more. It's embarrassing really.
Eh. While they've almost certainly committed civil infractions, they haven't really committed any criminal infractions, aside from possibly CrystalinEagle. They would get bodied in a court of law (and not just because they're probably too stupid to defend themselves properly) but only if they were civilly sued. If the Eagle's victim (her parents, really) called the police and pressed charges they might arrest him and would definitely put him on some kind of watch list, but the rest of the team in that instance were just being scumbags, which isn't illegal.
But you gotta hand Jao one thing: he really earned his place as a dirty dev. Put a lot of solid work in and made the case rather obvious to anybody who is not part of the DoD cult
Wow! I can't believe that there are actually people "disliking" this video! These are people without hope! As for me who is a perspective dev and interested in designing his own game, SidAlpha has gone to great lengths to show me how to do it correctly. Thank you Sid!
@kintai1000 Shouldn't making the game be Step 1? Because you can't have a community to mistreat if you don't have a commodity for them to be mistreated over...
All this drama over a stupid asset flip made by a guy who can't code to save his life and is nuts? Wtf? Actual developers, take note. People really, reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally seem to want a game with dragons. If this ends up in court, it would be well deserved. So much filth and insanity.
This guy, Jao, should call it quits while he still can, should of slicked into obscurity to eventually be forgotten. But all i can see is a man verging on insanity and filled with delusion as he digs his own grave time and time again...this person needs help. Serious, professional help and a long long break away from the internet. Maybe a long introspection as well. When he is older, many years from now, I wonder, what will he think of himself when he looks back? Does he truly want all this to be his legacy? What he leaves behind? Perhaps look at it with bitterness. I optimistically hope (perhaps in vain) he feels some level of shame, that a human being with a shred of empathy and capable of regret could evolve beyond this and learn for the better. This has all become extremely unhealthy for all people involved, has been from the start. Thank you SidAlpha for keeping us informed, you do good work and your videos are informative and precise. I hope in the long run this whole thing will fall apart, as it inevitably will. Keep it up, friend.
Hmm, seems like a perfect make for extremely dangerous things to come, honestly drama is drama, but this is not drama, this is a mentally unstable man who has found himself in a sphere of people who is using him to enact their power fantasy by inserting themselves in crucial roles of development, and then person in the middle somehow thinks of himself as a god.
Imagine the mental gymnastics required to turn someone's concern for an exploited minor into blaming the victim, defending the predator, and doubling down on internal bans caused by this "drama". Good God that makes me sick.
More timestamps! 0:00- Intro 1:50- Weaponized Followers 12:20- The NDA Coersion 18:59- Cry Eagle 27:44- Buff Dragon 30:49- The Dirty Dev Let me know if I missed anything
i know this sound bad but i want day of dragon to fall they clearly not ready to be a game dev team nor a project no matter the funds we even wanted same happen to no man's sky but they went quiet instead so maybe they should do the same go quiet and continue making a game that i doubt their main priority even is that hightly suspicious of being asset flip cash grab prove us all wrong if dev behave like children and ban people is a bit too far sure some moderation is needed but abusive is not acceptable edit: day of dragon cause of the drama is waiting for a lawsuit to happen or even be added to kickstarter scam list
You cant compare this shit even remotelty to no man s sky. Hello Games had a series of successfull titles before it ;beside They did one of The greatest comeback in gaming history, something that dod and its delusional team will never achive. I feel bad for The people Who supported this Project But this title is destined to fall and be an example for human greed, shit work and remembered only for The drama
Normally I raise a brow at the usage of strong language in professionally formatted videos such as the ones in this series, but his rant at the end of this one was absolutely justified by the crap he’s had to put up with; in fact, I commend him for his outstanding composure throughout this whole series
The longer this goes on, the happier I am that I had dumped money into Path of Titans before becoming aware of the DoD kickstarter. I've been living for an open world dragon game for so long and was sad I would have to wait... and then it began. The Fuckening. And it's just kept going... and going... and I'm *so glad* I missed this train. Also while I was aware of the situation of the minor I was not aware of it to this extent- and I don't think many others are either, so thank you for bringing the rest of this story to light. I hope that their parents are aware of the situation and are pushing from their end for something to happen with this individual. As someone with young children myself, I will absolutely no longer be willing to give my money to DoD (as before this I still held the smallest glimmer of hope that the game might turn out somewhat decently in the end). This thing could become as big as any of the Big Developer MMOs for all I care and I will never give them a penny of my money.
Honestly I have 0 clue how your videos came across my feed.... but god damn am I glad they did. Loving the content, and going to go view your older videos as well. Keep up the great work, and always make sure to take care of yourself along the way Sid.
I was scared when he started swearing towards the end there, guess we all know how serious and angered he is over this. When the smart nice kid gets mad all hell breaks loose.
Jao: “They fear me” Who fears you exactly and where did he even get that. Literally you were making a insignificant dragon game that happen to blow up on kickstarter. Your no mafia boss or cult leader your just a small indie developer with many MANY issues.
Sid, just wanted to say a big thanks for this series. Not only does it keep me informed as to the filth that pollutes the waters of the indie game development scene, but it also exposes individuals that try to get away with it, and what NOT to do when developing games. While I doubt the developer will give two shits about the whole drama, the part regarding the minor that was told to stop taking medications during game testing* (*see footnote) shocked me. I didn't have any words, apart from just listen to you discuss it. I personally hope that person is stable and no longer in danger, and found a better job than testing a game that is literally steaming pile of crap. So, in short: Thanks again for doing the video series, I feel this is one of your best Dirty Devs videos to date. And as for Day of Dragons? I hope it dies in the Dumpster fire. Good concept, absolutely poor execution. For the record: I'd rather play "Dawn o' Dragons" than Day of Dragons. The former looks much nicer and I'd rather support that developer rather than the latters' developer. * Footnote: If I was the developer and had this behaviour going on in my discord server(s), I'd immediately be investigating and banning the person who's preying on the victim. I also know that I might not be 100% accurate since I'm commenting after watching most of the video on my iPad and only catching up the last few minutes on my workstation; so please forgive any incorrect statements above.
I dont know how many of you knew the cynical brit // totalbiscuit but the reason why i like you Sid is that you share a lot of the same good consumer, fairness, justice value and much more. Never give up.
I was there for the voice chat @9:05 on the video..It was utterly just pathetic the amount of excuses and how he kept looping around and back to the IGP and IcyCaress issues and blaming them for why the game isn't up to par...
I am so unbelievably disappointed and upset about this game. I backed a lot of money to the Kickstarter, along with several of my friends, thinking it was going to be The Isle with dragons of sorts, only to turn into a gigantic waste of time and money, not to mention everything else you've collected that goes on and still seems to continue on. Thank you for your efforts in bringing this to light.
Yup. IDK why Jao is acting like that but I got a feeling he's socially very unstable. Had a person in our art discord aswell. He used to be the owner and acted like he was some sort of Caesar. Hated certain memes and for that reason started muting people and handing out warnings. Also loved to screw up the community by alt accounting stuff that nobody else wanted to see. We all knew it was him but he was denying it all. Also begging for art was normal for him. Eventually he gave the discord ownership to a well respected mod. Mod ofcourse kept it in sake to keep the discord healthy. Oh the tantrum that came afterwards. In the end he left and never heard from him again.
Wow. Never have i heard a better composed series of words. You produce your points and your evidence with the elegance of a lawyer and you still remember the humanity of your arguments. I can say without hesitation that I will now follow your channel in the future. the best regards from denmark
Sid you are a person I follow for many reasons but you confirmed them all here, as much as this sounds like I'm stroking your ego it is one that deserves a good stroking, you are on of the most moral and ethically strong people I know prepared to stake your channel on the facts you find you are an example of integrity that is rare in the games industry today. Thank you for doing what you do
Don’t give this game any more attention regardless of where they go with it. Emberfall has been a game that’s been in hard development for years and that dev team wouldn’t even consider throwing out an alpha until the game looks as clean as possible, Support that if you want a dragon game not this.
Well there was one useful thing that came out of Digital Homicide's blog post about their return: showcasing anti-consumer behavior and general awfulness does not equate to more game sales. Channels like Sid's don't actually help the terrible games and/or developers they showcase.
i was there iin discord when he was talking to everyone and his attitude was just horrendous. The guy you heard replying to him was praised when he stood up to Jao saying he needs to grow up and be a business man and treat people with respect with Jao saying "i dont want to be put in a business box i want to be a dick because it right" most people was shocked. I joined DoD discord to see how the game was going and saw the uproar which i thought was both ridiculous and funny that this grown up man is acting like a toddler XD
Imagine watching all these videos as personal attacks instead of a chance to reflect, someone putting your path in clear display and crying "Lies! Deceit!"
Unless I misunderstood, let me get part of this strait, people are debating the legality of an NDA signed over discord without any form of notary or professional council present? Good luck with that in the courts.
Funny thing is that i had never even heard of Day of the Dragons, before your videos. So when steam started recommending it to me, because previously i had bought The Isle, i had more than enough reasons to put it in my ignore list on steam. XD
The creating and deleting accounts and "arguing with himself" is a tactic to claim he was hacked if his behavior leads to litigation. He's trying create plausible deniability that he is the one actually doxxing people with his community. Its also trying to obfsucate any evidence of wrongdoing.
Can't they look and see where the accounts were created? Such as the device that was used and the IP of where? Because if so they could easily pin it down and show he did it of his own free will which would throw out any doubt.
Want to know what all this sounds like? Some dude wanted to make a little dragon game but knew little to nothing about programing, so he tried to gather some assets but didn't have the resources, hence kickstarter. Due to a storm of circumstances it explodes beyond all reasonable expectations. Now some dude who has no idea what he is doing has the eyes of the internet and a pile of money. He snaps under the pressure, and starts lashing out and over-reacting. He doesn't know how to be a public figure or manage a community. It wasn't the plan. This is not me excusing any of the action of this dev. He is someone who should disappear from public eye. This is me attempting to make an ounce of sense to all of this mess.
Honestly? In my opinion, I think he was a a fairly shitty person in the beggining. As someone currently working a game, I know that if I was in a similar position, I can say I wouldn't handle it perfectly. But you don't need to handle sudden success with the finesse of a seasoned professional, you just need to act with a degree of maturity and a willingness to accept criticism, things that Jao seems to be lacking in spades. I agree though, he probably was just a gut with a cool idea and no experience on how to make it work and did his best to fumble through it. I just don't think he has the mental maturity to actually see it through or deal with being successful.
@@stagnant-name5851 if I was that position, I'd feel pretty shit about myself. But if I were in that situation, I'd hope it would be because of hard work and honesty, not the shit this guy does.
@@callmequaz9052 It was not a scam or an asset flip or whatever else people called the proof of concept. He worked on the game and its not close to done yet. He has worked on it and hired a small team to do it.
@stagnant-name5851 how would you feel knowing you lied to the public and over scoped the idea of an indie game? Why would anyone, with the amount of money Jao had gotten, decided to purposefully not hire PROFESSIONAL HELP from other coders, and promise updates that are beyond your coding capabilities and when you fall flat on delivering, you instead backtrack and backpetal on such updates? Jao had one job. Keep his head down, admit it faults and listen to feedback. But he doesnt AND STILL DOESN’T. Do not defend him. Jao is a scammer by definition. Whether intended or not. He has scammed us.
Thanks for the hard work, sid. Even though Jao might disagree, as a potential buyer, I have the right to this information and I'm glad I can count on you to deliver that info. Jao is fucking nuts.
TBH, I would really like to see this go to court. That way, Jao and his team will get schooled on how NOT to be a dirty dev. Then again, with the evidence shown, I highly doubt this will even enter the Court's doors.
This evidence is actually great if Sid goes through with a lawsuit against DoD (on the basis of the false DMCA takedown), the _least bad_ action the DoD team has taken is knowingly breaking various EULAs and silencing people pointing it out. All of this stacks up in a courtroom when it comes to proving bad faith.
Small correction Sid: Midnight is the Community Manager of the project and has been since inception, giving her a higher status than "lead moderator". Midnight is responsible (supposedly) for overseeing all staff hires (admin or moderator), managing all social media accounts tied to the company (though this seems suspect given the religious likes that BeAwesome Games Twitter used to have, scrubbed only in this year after a month of Midnight being aware of it and saying she'd take it down) and is also supposed to be their sole PR person. She's of a higher position of power than Lead Moderator and has been for a very long time.
Sid, in most jurisdictions, if you have a properly documented threat of a lawsuit, you can go ahead with the countersuit anyway, to get the declaration that you would have won, and they have to basically, sit down and shut up and stop bothering you.
Why do they even have a discord? especially if they behave in such a disgusting childish manner. It's clearly far too much responsibility for them as shown with the multiple counts of admin abuse. Delete it. Work on the game in private & show updates on social media sites like all other game devs do. So unnecessary.
"We are listening" is a huge red flag for me. That's the catch-all "we heard ya, now shut up" phrase used by game devs when they don't want to promise actual tangible changes or improvements.
People like Jao are the reason I wait to buy or give away money to a game until it proves it has something I know I'll enjoy and be worth my coin. Controversial; I bought No Man's Sky *after* it's release for the pure chaotic enjoyment of searching fir random abominations. It was beautiful. Now I'm glad NMS has had enough updates it bounced back and made even more fun. When DoD first was shown and announced I was reeaally excited but wanted to wait. I did and some thing's seemed very off. The first FLARING red flag was Jao telling he was going to do it all on his own. Pro or not at developing games DoD was promised too big for 1 man. I scooted further away, others had doubts and more red flags popped up. I decided not to invest money into buying it until after it's full release--if it even got there only to see the early signs of mad-fan backlash of peoples questioning and Jao being mad at it. My response at the time was; Don't be upset for those being weary, be upset at the people who are making people wary. Well. Jeo has become king of those bad reps who are why people like me are careful and question What they are buying. Glad I dodged a bullet.
Didn't IGP actually ask Jao if he wanted to do an interview with him to put his side of the story out there? And JAO was the one who said no? Also BIG oof there with the responses to the abuse situation... It was painfully clear they were more interested in saving face than actually helping. I hope people in that community start wising up more and more to get out of there. It was never a safe environment, but it's just blatantly laid out on the table now.
4:05 Wouldn't that be actionable by Discord? Properly get the message and channel IDs for the doxing posts and fill out a report form. There's no way that Discord turns a blind eye on people who habitually dox people.
I'm convinced Jao cannot be older than 15 or 16. There is no feasible way that a grown, adult man, would even remotely act the way Jao has been and it would also fit Day of Dragon's asset flip style.
The way he speaks is like some 40+ year olds I know, which is even more sad. He'll never learn from this, this is most likely a scam that's been cooking in that rotfest brain of his for a couple decades
Oh he totally sounds 40, audio wise, but that discord chat? "They fear me" "They fear the hype" I just cannot see an adult man talking about himself like that seriously. It's something a fucking anime villain would say.
@@Chocula it really sounds like he's a neckbeard or an incel that just got out of his parents' basement. This guy didn't get told 'no' enough or something.
Having a number of years that is associated with being adult, does not have you own an adult brain. And I don't care if he is 20s, 30s, or 40s. There is only one problem: if you get into anything above 30 and you have not grown a brain by then, you never will. I assume we'll get to hear or see more of his BS in the future.
The part about the kid getting emotionally abused made my fucking blood boil...to call someone weak for taking meds that help keep them mentally stable is cowardly, and pathetic
When jao spoke on the recording for a second it sounded like he was going to be professional, then said “psych! Ill do what I want”. This guy is absolutely despicable. This is a asset flip dragon game based on the isle, and other animal survival games do it much better. Someone absolutely could make a dragon survival game competent for far less than 500k and it would be much better. I wont wish physical harm to anyone on the internet, but honestly hope he gets in legal issues or goes bankrupt. I think that is a totally fair opinion of Jao to have and is in no way harassment towards him. I believe he deserves karma.
I pretty much avoid discord and online forums in general...but I got curious about all this, so I made an account and just wanted to ask a question or two. I got kicked and banned in less than 3 minutes because I was accused of being Anthomnia. Only thing I asked was "How can you in all seriousness accuse other UA-cam personalities for trying to weaponize fans against you when they all clearly told their fans NOT to do it....yet you did EXACTLY what you accused them of...multiple times!" lol
@@JetFireStar850 I know...right? Like seriously, I don't even get on my WoW guild's discord chat (and I am their main tank!) and no one cares about it. But I get on someone else's and BAM!! YOU ARE A LIAR ANTHOMNIA!! WE GIVE THE BAN HAMMER TO YOU AGAIN! lol
The final part in the trilogy, Yet that sinking feeling that you know there will be countless spinoffs. 🤔 (I look forward to JAO: a rude story!) 🎩 🐍 no step on SNEK! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
This has honestly given me the idea to download and learn unity- pay for assets out of my own pocket and pour my soul into a game to release on steam- but not for money. Hell I might even make it free. I just want to show how amazing a piece of artwork you can make with a hell of a lot less than half a million dollars. Yknow- it might even have some fucking dragons in it.
This isn't even really about the game anymore, it's just watching a man destroy himself down from bad decision after bad decision. This is the kind of drama that makes Fallout 76 look stable in comparison, just on a smaller scale.
For what it's worth, you have earned a sub. What Jao has done is unconscionable. It's reprehensible. The vitriol aimed at him is well deserved and well earned. Honestly, I stand by my earlier comments that you, and the other critics, should file a class action suit against him for harassment, fraud, and theft. The hardcode ban effectively has taken your money and the product you purchased with no legitimate reason for doing so.
One of the things that I find difficult to understand is that they released a "game" that hasn't even begun development yet to early access. They are still in the early stages of game development. Usually, early access games have real gameplay; it is meant to be a teaser so to speak of the final product albeit a little bare and buggy at times. Day of Dragons in early access is literally just for us to watch them develop the game before there is even a game.
How the fuck is JAO doing this without being arrested already because I’m pretty sure half of shit JAO has done is illegal at least where I live. -JAO says he is gonna behave- *- -me I’m sorry I don’t speak bullshit*
Sid. I said it in the last video ( could be another JAO video) even dumpster fires are looking at Jao and wondering WTF is wrong with him. Please stop shaming dumpster fires by comparing them to JAO and their discord.
SidAlpha, you are a hero. One who fights for the truth and protects the people from Dirty Devs, and lies. I enjoy watching these videos you make and I'd love to support you for any future videos.
*Whistles while preparing exterminatus*
That button needs pressing multiple times, then what’s left needs to be salted.
If this ever does go to court, I sincerely hope SidAlpha is prepared. I don't doubt that any attempt at legal action taken by Jao is likely to be as spurious and nonsensical as the case brought against Jim Sterling by DH. I'm no legal expert, but I would suggest that SidAlpha's lawyer talk to Jim Sterling's lawyer. Not sure how much they can legally share about current and dismissed cases, but if nothing else, Jim's lawyer certainly has experience with unhinged "developers" and could provide some valuable insight.
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As far as Jao is concerned, I think bringing this to court would be an egregious waste of the funds he's sourced from his community. If he spent half as much time developing his own content for Day of Dragons as he apparently spends messing around on Discord with sock puppet accounts, he'd still be a sub-standard developer, but at least he could actually be called a developer. Right now, he's just another example of what NOT to do if you want to be a game developer or a public figure. And yes, I know I'm probably understating how wrong all of this is, how bad all of what he's done and what has been done in his name truly is, but even at this stage... I pity him.
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He needs an out, and it's just not coming. He needs someone to relieve him of the shovel so he stops digging himself deeper, but as of yet, it seems no one has the will or capacity to do so. And if he wants to be a game developer - a real one - he needs a serious course-correction and the willingness to devote his time to actually building on top of the foundations that he's bought from Unity. What he doesn't need is yet more temptation from any source to dive back into a metaphorical pile of manure.
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I pray to whatever divine, arcane or otherworldly entity that will listen that Jao does NOT respond to SidAlpha's call to action. If for no one else's benefit, then at least for the benefit of his financial backers.
Welp let's just kick back and watch Sid go full alpha on Jao while he stands his ground as a god which doesn't even exist
Extremely informative, and I thank you for your monumental effort in creating these videos for the public to see the truth.
@@annabella1650 lookup if the emperor has a text to speech there is an animated heric scene where the Inquisitor just spams the exterminatius button to destroy a planet
Dear Sid,
You have now spent more time shredding this game than its developer spent *'making'* it. Jao sucks.
This game needs to be removed and Jao needs to be blacklisted from publishing on any major game platform (Origin, Steam, Uplay, Epic). That dude who bullied a minor needs to be reported to the police at this point, as well. Not wait to see Jao do something. Not wait to see the mods do anything. He needs to be reported for abuse of a minor and taken to court, because this is probably not the first time, and will not be the last.
Wish I could give a thousand likes to this.
Let him fall into the hole that Origin. He'll be eaten by that publisher.
Nothing of value would be lost.
You expected to have a competent indie dev, but it was Me! Jao!
I cringed but I also love this comment. You earned my like.
@@usagifang Thanks.
It's even better because Dio himself is a villain in every sense of the word.
nice
You know you've messed up when you manage to actually trigger SidAlpha and make him curse at you.
I applaud you for looking up the law, but even that law would not matter in this case. The recording was obtained in an open voice channel, that numerous people were in at the time. In order to claim something is an invasion of privacy, the person making the claim has to have a reasonable expectation of privacy to begin with. This open voice channel with so many people listening certainly doesn't fit that, there was no privacy to begin with.
True, the public discord of an in development game isn't really a private place.
actually it doesn't matter if its in a discord for an in development game or in just a regular discord under California law there can still be a case. As someone who has had a discussion recorded without my knowledge in a public discord for a server i played on with the attempt to cause toxicity. I can tell you the owners/devs of discord take such things seriously and will take action against the offenders. After submitting my case the person who made the recording was banned from discord completely shortly after an investigation was done. The owners/devs of discord take abuse, bullying , and really any form of verbal assault serious as well as the privacy of the people who use discord. They are required by law to intervene is a report is made that holds serious allegations so even if they didn't want to they have no choice.
As someone who takes care of a person who takes anti-anxiety medication the idea that someone’s health and well-being has been threatened by the actions (or I guess lack thereof) of Jao and his team is disgusting and infuriating on a very personal level. Add to that the other actions put on display here and I am glad I chose not to support this game from the start. When I found it I was just as excited at the prospect of a dragon RPG as everyone else. But I decided to hold off. I’ve been burned before on Kickstarters. I’m glad to see this was the right call. Damn this egomaniacal fuck. Damn him and all his sycophants who mindlessly defend him and his practices.
Jao and his department heads have to watch out, clinical depression and bipolar disorder both count as a disability, and there for are protected characteristics by US federal law. For one of there staff to target that disability of a worker and then go further and attempt to disrupt medication use, is disgusting and against the law. The DOD team are lucky this minor's guardians didnt sue them into oblivion.
SidAlpha: "Hopefully this will be my last video about Day of Dragons"
Me: "I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you"
My hat's off to you, good sir... You covered the entire DoD disaster in a trilogy of well-informed, well-presented, and impactful videos the likes of which only Peter Jackson could achieve that brought to light the complete and utter scumbag nature of Jao and his team of "developers". Sadly, I know this isn't going to be the end of this matter. Again, excellent work with the video, Sid, looking forward to more Dirty Devs meeting their day in the spotlight.... Sir, I salute you.
Wonderfully said. I was trying to put into words that expressed my gratitude and appreciation of Sud's hard work, information, and hopefully a deterrent to future dirty devs from scamming people the more we can be alerted to simular warning signs.
However, I do believe you nailed it perfectly.
for a developer who is supposed to busy updating his "game", he sure has a lot of time to do petty things to anyone who even remotely is displeased with the quality of his game he "spent 2 years" making
"... play a video game as a dragon..." 😅
*Spyro cries on the corner*
Spyro, Lair, Breath of Fire series kind of (start of the third one definitely)...!
We need more dragon games.
@@Roadent1241 "There is another " XD
Nice video. Some corrections though.
28:28 - This was posted in the fan-made server Forgotten Realms, and Charima is not a dev of DoD.
29:37 - This is in the Bug Test server, which Jao still owns and comments in. He still has not come back to official.
That's all that you got wrong that I'm aware of tho
We're approaching Onision levels of cringe and idiocy.
/Watches video for 2nd time.
We've surpassed Onision levels of cringe and idiocy.
It is safe to say that Day of Dragons potential of being a good game or even a game worth buying is... Now officially ''Ruined & Permanently Tainted.''
And that as they say is that...
You weren't kidding about these 3 videos Sid, they must have taken a ton of energy and focus to make.
That stuff with the minor definitely crossed a line that any sensible dev would've put a stop to..
Absolutely disgusting!!!
Sid, your dedication to consumer protection would have made Totalbiscuit proud if he were still here. Keep it up, and keep fighting the good fight!
IMO, UA-cam needs to report all declined DMCA notices to the FBI as they constitute violation of federal law against perjury, and unless I'm very much mistaken the FBI is responsible for investigating and pursuing violations of federal law. Whether the FBI takes action would then be on them, but yeah when someone commits a crime they shouldn't just get to walk away from it.
It is just we need to get rid of a lot of politicians influenced by lobbyists, and make reforms that should have been done for decades.
Jao actually broke two federal laws 18 USC § 119 Making Public Restricted Personal Information and 18 U.S. Code § 2261A. a basic summery: with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate, or place under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate another person, uses the mail, any interactive computer service or electronic communication service or electronic communication system of interstate commerce, or any other facility of interstate or foreign commerce to engage in a course of conduct that-
(A) places that person in reasonable fear of the death of or serious bodily injury to a person …; or
(B) causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to a person …
shall be punished as provided in section 2261(b) of this title.”; doxing falls under cyber stalking, stalking, harassment, threats, or extortion in both federal and some state legislation,
With this paper trail, lawyers are going to have a day.
I am barely passed the 1st minute and I'm having as strong gut feeling that there will be a Part 4 or an update video some time in the future.
I'm really concerned that it doesn't sound like anyone has reported this Crystaline Eagle dude to authorities. A minor is involved, she was being victimized and bullied, and regardless of what she thinks she wants at the time, it is the adults present who have the responsibility to make sure he does not have the access to abuse authority over someone like this again.
This is prime predatory behavior of an adult against a young girl, and it is unacceptable.
escially since they basically just taught her not only is it okay for you to be abused if the abuser thinks its best for you but that its wrong to speak up as they unbanned eqal after people got upset they wernt actually punishing him they way his actions earned eagle deserves to be sued out the ass and i gurantee if her parents asked to make a go fund me to sue eagles arse it be funded in a day
Sid, you are by far one of the most fantastic, skilled people I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. You can feel the passion, the anger, all the emotional in each of your statements, and yet you don't let the emotions control you, don't get swept up in the feeling. You are in absolute control, sharpening the blade of pure emotional strength against a grindstone of facts and truth. It's a pleasure to watch you cut down the filth that is Jao, with a beauty and grace that's almost scary in its power. Thank you, for being such a phenomenal example of a human being, and for putting people like the cretins behind Day of Dragons were they belong.
Said in words that not even I can muster up... amazing
This is by FAR the worst Dirty Dev I've ever heard of. As an indie dev myself, I am utterly appalled by this situation. Unbelievable.
Maljas yeah. I wouldn’t call myself an indie developer just yet because I’m still working on making a game engine. But still this is horrendous behavior and is a direct show of what NOT to do.
"They fear me." Jao, dude, if anyone ever fears a game developer, it has nothing to do with the fact that they're a game developer.
Pretty much. What is some game dev gonna do to me? *Code me to death?*
@@MultiNaruto900 I mean he can't even really do that since he's only written, what, 3-4 lines of code and some aren't even active in the game?
the only thing i fear is him getting his grubby hands on my wallet
Re-watching purely to spite Jao for trying to take the video down.
"The Third and Hopefully the Last installment of the day of dragons series."
Jao: THIS ISNT EVEN MY FINAL SCAM
*Ten episodes of DMCAing later...*
I'm afraid of that too. The guy is just to stupid for his own good.
I've tested many games under a NDA, no matter what you always read the NDA, i know people don't enjoy reading but its VERY IMPORTANT!
because there have been a few times where the NDA sounded very off and i never signed and backed out of testing that game only for it to later faulter and the game never existed.
So always be careful and read through NDAs
For that matter read any contract before signing it
Episode III
Revenge of the Sid.
Sid sounded straight up disgusted by the end and he had every right to be
this is why youtube needs to add a limit to how many false report can be reported before the reporter can be banned
I can't wait until they put literal Spyro in the game as a bonus for Kickstarter backers, claiming it to be original work.
no no they can't do that they'd have to buy copyright or something like that to get away with that ;b
I'm glad this video *is* monetized. The amount of research deserves respect.
You know what the worst part about this is? Not just everything that is Jao himself?
The worst part about this is that some poor sap who has been developing their own dragon game will receive contempt, concern, animosity, and fear JUST because of what this human being has done to the community. This poor developer will have to fight tooth and nail in an effort to convince people that they are actually making a dragon game, and it's been the dragon game everyone wants. This developer will face non stop mental struggle because their team will be under constant scrutiny of their potential fan base to actually deliver this game all because this ONE GUY had to drag this through the mud, ocean, earth's core, and mud again.
I feel for whoever that developer is.
they kinda deserve it then. YOU as a DEV have a choice to pull your work and leave. this game isn't making much because of Jao it's blown up on dozens game websites now.
Erotica
Pardon? Why does some random developer, who has no association with this train wreck of a game deserve hate and scorn because another developer failed to deliver?
You don’t scrutinize an unrelated developer for simply having a similar game concept, especially if they have the adequacy and skill to create such a game.
What the original poster is implying is that other developers with intention to create dragon survival games must now work harder to prove their worth just due to what _Day of Dragons_ has done. It’s unjust in favor of future developers, which unfortunately is how the world works.
@@goldenaries0860 I dont think erotica meant it like that. I think it was a miscommunication. I think he's more talking about jao than any random developer.
Nahh. Its likely that people will be a bit cautious at first. But if shown content is actually made custom, rather than some asset you can just straight off go and buy in a store, there will be people interested. It's likely that this person wouldn't get as easily bashed
Shadowbolt Bloodmane
Then why did they use the pronoun “they”, which implies more than one person?
Jao and his team needs to be arrested. They defend this unacceptable behavior and they are all in on the lies and corruption. They break online laws, rules, and more. It's embarrassing really.
Why nobody doing anything about it?
Eh. While they've almost certainly committed civil infractions, they haven't really committed any criminal infractions, aside from possibly CrystalinEagle. They would get bodied in a court of law (and not just because they're probably too stupid to defend themselves properly) but only if they were civilly sued. If the Eagle's victim (her parents, really) called the police and pressed charges they might arrest him and would definitely put him on some kind of watch list, but the rest of the team in that instance were just being scumbags, which isn't illegal.
@@AnakinTheWeird this is our reality :(
Well best just everyone leave that dev alone but remember what they done to there owned community.
But you gotta hand Jao one thing: he really earned his place as a dirty dev. Put a lot of solid work in and made the case rather obvious to anybody who is not part of the DoD cult
Wow! I can't believe that there are actually people "disliking" this video! These are people without hope! As for me who is a perspective dev and interested in designing his own game, SidAlpha has gone to great lengths to show me how to do it correctly. Thank you Sid!
They're probably disliking because they don't like the guy? That probably explains a lot of the dislikes?
It's jao's many duplicate accounts
@kintai1000
Shouldn't making the game be Step 1?
Because you can't have a community to mistreat if you don't have a commodity for them to be mistreated over...
All this drama over a stupid asset flip made by a guy who can't code to save his life and is nuts? Wtf? Actual developers, take note. People really, reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally seem to want a game with dragons. If this ends up in court, it would be well deserved. So much filth and insanity.
I have absolutely no interest in the game, but I find this story to be so fascinating. It's like a manual on how not to run your company :)
This guy, Jao, should call it quits while he still can, should of slicked into obscurity to eventually be forgotten. But all i can see is a man verging on insanity and filled with delusion as he digs his own grave time and time again...this person needs help. Serious, professional help and a long long break away from the internet. Maybe a long introspection as well. When he is older, many years from now, I wonder, what will he think of himself when he looks back? Does he truly want all this to be his legacy? What he leaves behind? Perhaps look at it with bitterness. I optimistically hope (perhaps in vain) he feels some level of shame, that a human being with a shred of empathy and capable of regret could evolve beyond this and learn for the better. This has all become extremely unhealthy for all people involved, has been from the start. Thank you SidAlpha for keeping us informed, you do good work and your videos are informative and precise. I hope in the long run this whole thing will fall apart, as it inevitably will. Keep it up, friend.
;o it's alex mauer!!!
@@bman001001 that creepy bc I know a friend named alex mauer
Hmm, seems like a perfect make for extremely dangerous things to come, honestly drama is drama, but this is not drama, this is a mentally unstable man who has found himself in a sphere of people who is using him to enact their power fantasy by inserting themselves in crucial roles of development, and then person in the middle somehow thinks of himself as a god.
Me: Oh I'm not a big fan of drama, I'd rather stay out of it
Also Me:
"faSt uPdAtEs"
Just because you can buy assests faster than most of us doesnt mean u good at this 🤔
Sounds like Jao was a toxic gamer before he became a dev, you can see that his old habits are still there.
I'd go as far as to say toxic person in general.
Imagine the mental gymnastics required to turn someone's concern for an exploited minor into blaming the victim, defending the predator, and doubling down on internal bans caused by this "drama". Good God that makes me sick.
More timestamps!
0:00- Intro
1:50- Weaponized Followers
12:20- The NDA Coersion
18:59- Cry Eagle
27:44- Buff Dragon
30:49- The Dirty Dev
Let me know if I missed anything
There was the "buff dragon" part but it was really short.
Okay thanks I'll add it in
So, IcyCaress should continue working on Dawn o' Dragons. It looks pretty good.
might aswell fill the void where day of dragons would leave us plus better title ;y
Yes
Dad joke for the algorithm!
I was born to be a pessimist. My blood type is B negative.
i know this sound bad but i want day of dragon to fall
they clearly not ready to be a game dev team nor a project no matter the funds
we even wanted same happen to no man's sky but they went quiet instead so maybe they should do the same go quiet and continue making a game that i doubt their main priority even is that hightly suspicious of being asset flip cash grab prove us all wrong
if dev behave like children and ban people is a bit too far sure some moderation is needed but abusive is not acceptable
edit: day of dragon cause of the drama is waiting for a lawsuit to happen or even be added to kickstarter scam list
You cant compare this shit even remotelty to no man s sky.
Hello Games had a series of successfull titles before it ;beside They did one of The greatest comeback in gaming history, something that dod and its delusional team will never achive. I feel bad for The people Who supported this Project But this title is destined to fall and be an example for human greed, shit work and remembered only for The drama
@@carlafalasca4514 Yeah, theres only one destination: Pure failure!
Have you seen Internet Historians video about No Man's Sky?
Normally I raise a brow at the usage of strong language in professionally formatted videos such as the ones in this series, but his rant at the end of this one was absolutely justified by the crap he’s had to put up with; in fact, I commend him for his outstanding composure throughout this whole series
The longer this goes on, the happier I am that I had dumped money into Path of Titans before becoming aware of the DoD kickstarter. I've been living for an open world dragon game for so long and was sad I would have to wait... and then it began. The Fuckening. And it's just kept going... and going... and I'm *so glad* I missed this train. Also while I was aware of the situation of the minor I was not aware of it to this extent- and I don't think many others are either, so thank you for bringing the rest of this story to light. I hope that their parents are aware of the situation and are pushing from their end for something to happen with this individual. As someone with young children myself, I will absolutely no longer be willing to give my money to DoD (as before this I still held the smallest glimmer of hope that the game might turn out somewhat decently in the end). This thing could become as big as any of the Big Developer MMOs for all I care and I will never give them a penny of my money.
Honestly I have 0 clue how your videos came across my feed.... but god damn am I glad they did. Loving the content, and going to go view your older videos as well. Keep up the great work, and always make sure to take care of yourself along the way Sid.
That ending rant will put hairs on your chest, damn. Well done, Sidward.
I was scared when he started swearing towards the end there, guess we all know how serious and angered he is over this. When the smart nice kid gets mad all hell breaks loose.
Jao: “They fear me”
Who fears you exactly and where did he even get that. Literally you were making a insignificant dragon game that happen to blow up on kickstarter. Your no mafia boss or cult leader your just a small indie developer with many MANY issues.
delusional
Sid, just wanted to say a big thanks for this series. Not only does it keep me informed as to the filth that pollutes the waters of the indie game development scene, but it also exposes individuals that try to get away with it, and what NOT to do when developing games.
While I doubt the developer will give two shits about the whole drama, the part regarding the minor that was told to stop taking medications during game testing* (*see footnote) shocked me. I didn't have any words, apart from just listen to you discuss it. I personally hope that person is stable and no longer in danger, and found a better job than testing a game that is literally steaming pile of crap.
So, in short: Thanks again for doing the video series, I feel this is one of your best Dirty Devs videos to date. And as for Day of Dragons? I hope it dies in the Dumpster fire. Good concept, absolutely poor execution.
For the record: I'd rather play "Dawn o' Dragons" than Day of Dragons. The former looks much nicer and I'd rather support that developer rather than the latters' developer.
* Footnote: If I was the developer and had this behaviour going on in my discord server(s), I'd immediately be investigating and banning the person who's preying on the victim. I also know that I might not be 100% accurate since I'm commenting after watching most of the video on my iPad and only catching up the last few minutes on my workstation; so please forgive any incorrect statements above.
I dont know how many of you knew the cynical brit // totalbiscuit but the reason why i like you Sid is that you share a lot of the same good consumer, fairness, justice value and much more. Never give up.
I was there for the voice chat @9:05 on the video..It was utterly just pathetic the amount of excuses and how he kept looping around and back to the IGP and IcyCaress issues and blaming them for why the game isn't up to par...
I am so unbelievably disappointed and upset about this game. I backed a lot of money to the Kickstarter, along with several of my friends, thinking it was going to be The Isle with dragons of sorts, only to turn into a gigantic waste of time and money, not to mention everything else you've collected that goes on and still seems to continue on. Thank you for your efforts in bringing this to light.
Yup. IDK why Jao is acting like that but I got a feeling he's socially very unstable. Had a person in our art discord aswell. He used to be the owner and acted like he was some sort of Caesar. Hated certain memes and for that reason started muting people and handing out warnings. Also loved to screw up the community by alt accounting stuff that nobody else wanted to see. We all knew it was him but he was denying it all. Also begging for art was normal for him. Eventually he gave the discord ownership to a well respected mod. Mod ofcourse kept it in sake to keep the discord healthy. Oh the tantrum that came afterwards. In the end he left and never heard from him again.
Wow. Never have i heard a better composed series of words. You produce your points and your evidence with the elegance of a lawyer and you still remember the humanity of your arguments. I can say without hesitation that I will now follow your channel in the future. the best regards from denmark
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Sid you are a person I follow for many reasons but you confirmed them all here, as much as this sounds like I'm stroking your ego it is one that deserves a good stroking, you are on of the most moral and ethically strong people I know prepared to stake your channel on the facts you find you are an example of integrity that is rare in the games industry today. Thank you for doing what you do
Don’t give this game any more attention regardless of where they go with it. Emberfall has been a game that’s been in hard development for years and that dev team wouldn’t even consider throwing out an alpha until the game looks as clean as possible, Support that if you want a dragon game not this.
I wish I knew about emberfall first
Well there was one useful thing that came out of Digital Homicide's blog post about their return: showcasing anti-consumer behavior and general awfulness does not equate to more game sales. Channels like Sid's don't actually help the terrible games and/or developers they showcase.
Not gonna lie, I watch SidAlpha's videos while drawing because I generally enjoy listening to his smart words.
half and million dollars and they can't even have a model of they're own dragon, the only thing they really have is false promises and being a bully.
18:15 "Sorry for the emotional manipulation... BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS!" The new non-manipulative attitude didn't last long.
i was there iin discord when he was talking to everyone and his attitude was just horrendous. The guy you heard replying to him was praised when he stood up to Jao saying he needs to grow up and be a business man and treat people with respect with Jao saying "i dont want to be put in a business box i want to be a dick because it right" most people was shocked. I joined DoD discord to see how the game was going and saw the uproar which i thought was both ridiculous and funny that this grown up man is acting like a toddler XD
stop talking bs
hgff mikimmon wasup jao hope you enjoyed the video
@@hgffmikimmon5293 You should stop talking bs you asshat now go back under your little bridge where you belong
Imagine watching all these videos as personal attacks instead of a chance to reflect, someone putting your path in clear display and crying "Lies! Deceit!"
Unless I misunderstood, let me get part of this strait, people are debating the legality of an NDA signed over discord without any form of notary or professional council present? Good luck with that in the courts.
Funny thing is that i had never even heard of Day of the Dragons, before your videos. So when steam started recommending it to me, because previously i had bought The Isle, i had more than enough reasons to put it in my ignore list on steam.
XD
Got banned for saying, maybe jao should be work on his game instaed of copyright striking youtube videoa
Heh, after that vid I feel the need to call the hospital to warn them that Jao will need extensive and long term use of their burn ward.
The creating and deleting accounts and "arguing with himself" is a tactic to claim he was hacked if his behavior leads to litigation. He's trying create plausible deniability that he is the one actually doxxing people with his community. Its also trying to obfsucate any evidence of wrongdoing.
Can't they look and see where the accounts were created? Such as the device that was used and the IP of where? Because if so they could easily pin it down and show he did it of his own free will which would throw out any doubt.
Want to know what all this sounds like?
Some dude wanted to make a little dragon game but knew little to nothing about programing, so he tried to gather some assets but didn't have the resources, hence kickstarter.
Due to a storm of circumstances it explodes beyond all reasonable expectations.
Now some dude who has no idea what he is doing has the eyes of the internet and a pile of money.
He snaps under the pressure, and starts lashing out and over-reacting. He doesn't know how to be a public figure or manage a community. It wasn't the plan.
This is not me excusing any of the action of this dev. He is someone who should disappear from public eye.
This is me attempting to make an ounce of sense to all of this mess.
Honestly? In my opinion, I think he was a a fairly shitty person in the beggining. As someone currently working a game, I know that if I was in a similar position, I can say I wouldn't handle it perfectly. But you don't need to handle sudden success with the finesse of a seasoned professional, you just need to act with a degree of maturity and a willingness to accept criticism, things that Jao seems to be lacking in spades.
I agree though, he probably was just a gut with a cool idea and no experience on how to make it work and did his best to fumble through it. I just don't think he has the mental maturity to actually see it through or deal with being successful.
@@callmequaz9052 How would you feel with over 12k people. Pressuring you to work. And over a hundred thousand hating on you?
@@stagnant-name5851 if I was that position, I'd feel pretty shit about myself. But if I were in that situation, I'd hope it would be because of hard work and honesty, not the shit this guy does.
@@callmequaz9052 It was not a scam or an asset flip or whatever else people called the proof of concept. He worked on the game and its not close to done yet. He has worked on it and hired a small team to do it.
@stagnant-name5851 how would you feel knowing you lied to the public and over scoped the idea of an indie game? Why would anyone, with the amount of money Jao had gotten, decided to purposefully not hire PROFESSIONAL HELP from other coders, and promise updates that are beyond your coding capabilities and when you fall flat on delivering, you instead backtrack and backpetal on such updates? Jao had one job. Keep his head down, admit it faults and listen to feedback. But he doesnt AND STILL DOESN’T. Do not defend him. Jao is a scammer by definition. Whether intended or not. He has scammed us.
Thanks for the hard work, sid. Even though Jao might disagree, as a potential buyer, I have the right to this information and I'm glad I can count on you to deliver that info. Jao is fucking nuts.
TBH, I would really like to see this go to court. That way, Jao and his team will get schooled on how NOT to be a dirty dev. Then again, with the evidence shown, I highly doubt this will even enter the Court's doors.
jao is anonymous as well, so thats not gonna help
@@cimex7492 The fact that Jao is completely anonymous online is concerning enough for me. Seems like he has something to hide.
This evidence is actually great if Sid goes through with a lawsuit against DoD (on the basis of the false DMCA takedown), the _least bad_ action the DoD team has taken is knowingly breaking various EULAs and silencing people pointing it out. All of this stacks up in a courtroom when it comes to proving bad faith.
@@xeldinn86 thought about it often, too
@@xeldinn86 they can track his ip tho but it depends how hard other business want to play like steam or discord on giving info in court
Small correction Sid: Midnight is the Community Manager of the project and has been since inception, giving her a higher status than "lead moderator". Midnight is responsible (supposedly) for overseeing all staff hires (admin or moderator), managing all social media accounts tied to the company (though this seems suspect given the religious likes that BeAwesome Games Twitter used to have, scrubbed only in this year after a month of Midnight being aware of it and saying she'd take it down) and is also supposed to be their sole PR person. She's of a higher position of power than Lead Moderator and has been for a very long time.
It seems as though they're trying to LARP as professional business owners.
Sid, in most jurisdictions, if you have a properly documented threat of a lawsuit, you can go ahead with the countersuit anyway, to get the declaration that you would have won, and they have to basically, sit down and shut up and stop bothering you.
Why do they even have a discord? especially if they behave in such a disgusting childish manner. It's clearly far too much responsibility for them as shown with the multiple counts of admin abuse. Delete it. Work on the game in private & show updates on social media sites like all other game devs do.
So unnecessary.
"We are listening" is a huge red flag for me. That's the catch-all "we heard ya, now shut up" phrase used by game devs when they don't want to promise actual tangible changes or improvements.
People like Jao are the reason I wait to buy or give away money to a game until it proves it has something I know I'll enjoy and be worth my coin.
Controversial; I bought No Man's Sky *after* it's release for the pure chaotic enjoyment of searching fir random abominations. It was beautiful. Now I'm glad NMS has had enough updates it bounced back and made even more fun.
When DoD first was shown and announced I was reeaally excited but wanted to wait. I did and some thing's seemed very off. The first FLARING red flag was Jao telling he was going to do it all on his own. Pro or not at developing games DoD was promised too big for 1 man. I scooted further away, others had doubts and more red flags popped up. I decided not to invest money into buying it until after it's full release--if it even got there only to see the early signs of mad-fan backlash of peoples questioning and Jao being mad at it.
My response at the time was; Don't be upset for those being weary, be upset at the people who are making people wary. Well.
Jeo has become king of those bad reps who are why people like me are careful and question What they are buying.
Glad I dodged a bullet.
Didn't IGP actually ask Jao if he wanted to do an interview with him to put his side of the story out there? And JAO was the one who said no? Also BIG oof there with the responses to the abuse situation... It was painfully clear they were more interested in saving face than actually helping. I hope people in that community start wising up more and more to get out of there. It was never a safe environment, but it's just blatantly laid out on the table now.
It's kind of a shame IGP and IcyCaress don't wanna make Dawn O Dragons a real game cuz I'd play that :C
4:05 Wouldn't that be actionable by Discord? Properly get the message and channel IDs for the doxing posts and fill out a report form. There's no way that Discord turns a blind eye on people who habitually dox people.
I'm convinced Jao cannot be older than 15 or 16. There is no feasible way that a grown, adult man, would even remotely act the way Jao has been and it would also fit Day of Dragon's asset flip style.
The way he speaks is like some 40+ year olds I know, which is even more sad. He'll never learn from this, this is most likely a scam that's been cooking in that rotfest brain of his for a couple decades
Oh he totally sounds 40, audio wise, but that discord chat? "They fear me" "They fear the hype" I just cannot see an adult man talking about himself like that seriously. It's something a fucking anime villain would say.
@@Chocula it really sounds like he's a neckbeard or an incel that just got out of his parents' basement. This guy didn't get told 'no' enough or something.
Having a number of years that is associated with being adult, does not have you own an adult brain. And I don't care if he is 20s, 30s, or 40s. There is only one problem: if you get into anything above 30 and you have not grown a brain by then, you never will.
I assume we'll get to hear or see more of his BS in the future.
@@mflax4331 I'm personally stuck between popcorn and bourbon for viewing pleasure.
The part about the kid getting emotionally abused made my fucking blood boil...to call someone weak for taking meds that help keep them mentally stable is cowardly, and pathetic
When jao spoke on the recording for a second it sounded like he was going to be professional, then said “psych! Ill do what I want”. This guy is absolutely despicable. This is a asset flip dragon game based on the isle, and other animal survival games do it much better. Someone absolutely could make a dragon survival game competent for far less than 500k and it would be much better. I wont wish physical harm to anyone on the internet, but honestly hope he gets in legal issues or goes bankrupt. I think that is a totally fair opinion of Jao to have and is in no way harassment towards him. I believe he deserves karma.
I pretty much avoid discord and online forums in general...but I got curious about all this, so I made an account and just wanted to ask a question or two. I got kicked and banned in less than 3 minutes because I was accused of being Anthomnia. Only thing I asked was "How can you in all seriousness accuse other UA-cam personalities for trying to weaponize fans against you when they all clearly told their fans NOT to do it....yet you did EXACTLY what you accused them of...multiple times!" lol
So, sooo true. I just can't stop laughing at the part that you were accused of being Anthomnia. Lol
@@JetFireStar850 I know...right? Like seriously, I don't even get on my WoW guild's discord chat (and I am their main tank!) and no one cares about it.
But I get on someone else's and BAM!! YOU ARE A LIAR ANTHOMNIA!! WE GIVE THE BAN HAMMER TO YOU AGAIN! lol
Thank you for keeping us informed.
The final part in the trilogy, Yet that sinking feeling that you know there will be countless spinoffs.
🤔 (I look forward to JAO: a rude story!)
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🐍 no step on SNEK! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
This has honestly given me the idea to download and learn unity- pay for assets out of my own pocket and pour my soul into a game to release on steam- but not for money. Hell I might even make it free. I just want to show how amazing a piece of artwork you can make with a hell of a lot less than half a million dollars. Yknow- it might even have some fucking dragons in it.
We will watch your career with great interest.
This isn't even really about the game anymore, it's just watching a man destroy himself down from bad decision after bad decision. This is the kind of drama that makes Fallout 76 look stable in comparison, just on a smaller scale.
What really upsets me is that no matter how awful, illegal and disgusting Jao acts, he's going to walk away with the majority of that $500k.
Not if he's in jail.
For what it's worth, you have earned a sub. What Jao has done is unconscionable. It's reprehensible. The vitriol aimed at him is well deserved and well earned.
Honestly, I stand by my earlier comments that you, and the other critics, should file a class action suit against him for harassment, fraud, and theft. The hardcode ban effectively has taken your money and the product you purchased with no legitimate reason for doing so.
YES A BIG DISGRACE!!!! ALL THAT MONEY COULD KICKSTART SO MANY ACTUAL INDIE PROJECTS!!!! I love you sid!
One of the things that I find difficult to understand is that they released a "game" that hasn't even begun development yet to early access. They are still in the early stages of game development. Usually, early access games have real gameplay; it is meant to be a teaser so to speak of the final product albeit a little bare and buggy at times. Day of Dragons in early access is literally just for us to watch them develop the game before there is even a game.
They've also sold DLC that hasn't even been developed yet
subbed to keep tabs on this. hope you make another video if any headway is made. see you then.
How the fuck is JAO doing this without being arrested already because I’m pretty sure half of shit JAO has done is illegal at least where I live. -JAO says he is gonna behave- *- -me I’m sorry I don’t speak bullshit*
Jao is like a Dictator who just can't work out how to be a dictator
I loled
All the attitude of Kim jong un with none of the charisma
Sid. I said it in the last video ( could be another JAO video) even dumpster fires are looking at Jao and wondering WTF is wrong with him.
Please stop shaming dumpster fires by comparing them to JAO and their discord.
I somehow get the feeling jao is not done yet...
Holy crap, Jao is basically the video game version of Amy with her Amy's Bakery from Gordans Kitchen Nightmare Series. 😂😱
If Jao can talk dragon, then the reference can go full circle.
@@vermilionshadow" I have special Kickstarter perks, they're just trapped in placeholder bodies."
@@hotaru8309 oh god the references
SidAlpha, you are a hero. One who fights for the truth and protects the people from Dirty Devs, and lies. I enjoy watching these videos you make and I'd love to support you for any future videos.