Do you think CJ died? 🤔 I was suppose to drop a video before this and having this close the discussion but I guess the order has been swapped 😂🤙 I’ll drop two videos this week though.
4:25 makes no sense for CJ to still be in the hood 25 years later this man literally owns a garage,a casino and is a manager to a famous rapper,what he need to stay in the hood for?
@LScentral realistically I think Sweet would be dead or long gone after 1992 up to GTA V,even though V is a different universe it explains why Ballas have Grove Street...
Literally none of these theories make any sense besides him becoming a legitimate businessman. There is no concrete mention of CJ outside of San Andreas but at the end of San Andreas, CJ had: 1. Millions of dollars in his pocket 2. A car garage in San Fierro 3. One third ownership of a Casino in Las Venturas 4. Ownership of several residential and commercial properties 5. Manager of Madd Dogg's rap career who was one of the most popular artists in Los Santos 6. Connection to a powerful Government Agent, Mike Toreno I think CJ is just fine and went legit sometime after the events of the game.
Yeah like I get most of rockstars themes consist a lot of not happy endings but realistically when you look at everything that CJ’s got at the end, it wouldn’t make any sense for him to just end up dead with all the connections he has. Even toward the end of SA. When he’s talking to Sweet and trying to show him all that he’s achieved, sweet so focused on the set, Kendall was the one really letting Carl know there’s more to him than being grove street
Personally I do not think The mob or Tommy had enough power to kill Cj. We forget cj has taken on the LSPD+Noose, Army, the Navy, the Airforce, the government, two rival gangs. And not to mention he’s Allies with the Varrios and the Triads. No way the can touch him sorry.
@@malletUsergaming nah that’s terrible writing..if VC he gets clapped so easily but in VCS he can run through entire drug lords operations like nothing…stupid.
I think all those theories can be disproved easily. for number 1 The Professionals already covered why Salvatore didnt send Tony to kill him. And for 2 and 3 the 3D and HD universe are completely separate. CJ probably is alive and just in Las Venturus with Woozie because of their Casino business and dropping by Grove Street from time to time or touring around with Mad Dog with him being involved in the record business as well.
I’ll watch his video but just because the professional says something doesn’t make it true or law lol he was wrong about who killed cjs mom when mentioning the Ballas and just because the universes are separate doesn’t mean the story isn’t the same they literally contradict themselves by putting Og Loc, Cj and The truth in gta 5’s story .. literally placed them in the story .. however I do believe he would’ve been closely connected to Woozie after all this time and working with him clearing whatever troubles came along the way 💯
@@cydragon2.099hey are separate as the 3D Universe Mafia Families don't exist in the HD Universe. But you can say that certain events of the 3D Universe occurred in the HD Universe with certain elements being changed due to characters not existing or in the HD Universe. With some exceptions like Madd Dogg, OG Loc, Donald Love, and so on. Only difference being their stories being different to what we know of their 3D universe counterparts like Madd Dogg retiring prior to GTA 3 but in GTA 5 he's still active in the rap game
@@Nixkrude79 did you not understand what I said? I said the "3D UNIVERSE" Mafia didn't exist in the HD Universe, not that the Mafia didn't exist at all.
The best way to describe post gta SA is "Everyone besides sweet moved on with their lives becoming sucessful, sweet died in a drive by 2 years after SA as the only idiot to stay in the hood after being given a chance to leave" CJ was speaking the truth in mission 100, he left grove when he was needed the most. So he fixed every problem he indirectly/directly caused and secured a better life for everyone he cared about. Kendell/caesar are operating the garage, woozie/cj are operating the casino, cj/madd dogg and cj/the brits are going on tours, CJ ended the corruption in CRASH ruining lives, and ended the drug empire that ruined not only grove street, but every "hood" in san andreas. Topping it all off, post gane Toreno is making sure no one messes with cj after the heavy lifting he did being one/two 3 letter agents in gta to actually honor their end of the deal. CJ offered everyone a chance to move on to have a healthy life, and everyone took it besides sweet. After the actual leaders left the hood, weaker leaders like sweet, stretch, etc filled the power vaccum which lead to the shitty hood seen in V.
I agree. After the raid on Big Smoke's drug factory, a lot of gang members died, including a lot of the GSF and associates. This created a power vacuum with all gangs and even worse for Grove Street since they are already severely weakened before CJ's return and it all probably blew up after Tenpenny's death since despite the drug problems he was causing, he was the one keeping all the gangs on a leash. CJ, Kendal, Cesar and the rest probably knew what was coming and decided it's not worth it to stay. So it's either Sweet finally swallows his pride and leaves or stays put and dies for a lost cause.
@@dekoldrick Sweet deep down knew he was fighting a losing battle I don't know why he wanted to stay in the hood too badly right when CJ came back and started to put in work eventually Tenpenny knowing it which is what lead to him getting arrestee and CJ getting set off to the country side to disrupt the two from function they should've done something else first to take out crash.
I know I’m super late but omg I’m glad somebody finally said it! I’ve read fanfics (yes I’m that person sometimes lol) about sweet dying because he wouldn’t leave the hood. CJ made a way for everyone to leave but sweet just wouldn’t do it. Plus looking back Sweet is also why GSF became a failing gang. He lost control, somehow managed to completely be unaware of a drug empire being built right under his nose by his own childhood best friend, then tried to act like a leader when CJ was the one that built GSF back up as much as possible. Worst gang leader ever
@@hofnarrtheclown the cia tool hundreds of attempts to assassinate a guy in a exponentially poor country,only to die of old age. And then there's a reason toreno didn't pull those field ops himself. And them CJ killed some of his buddies. CJ is basically the Big Boss of the gta universe. Some washed up CIA guy doesn't have a chance. CJ is more skilled than most of the world's elite units,yet he's literally just a guy from the hood. Have you even tried power scaling him?
@Remix2366 Are you referring to Castro??? Castro was the president of a country, with top security lol.... The CIA has assassinated presidents...... The Mob would have a hard time killing him, the government less.
Toreno wouldn't have killed CJ. Him and Norton are the only 3 letter agents in gta that actually honor their end of the deal by not letting anyone screw with the main character post game. If toreno was going to kill CJ, he wouldn't have springed sweet out of jail and told Carl he was out of his life forever.
My head canon is that CJ told Sweet to go eat shit with the whole hood thing and moved on and Sweet again was his usual shitty leader so grove again lost power and sweet died. You can see some things in hd gta that gives implications that CJ became a businessman.
Toni killed a rival Mafia Made Man, not a Gangster, and even if Salvatore wanted to send killas, it really wouldn't be easy to kill CJ, since it is implied that in 1994, CJ would've probably taken over San Andreas, and their GSF's allies are shown to be very powerful, and there was also the GSF Gangsters all around the place
Rockstar games are geniuses, and sometimes foolish. The lore behind GTA San Andreas alone is enough for them to make ANOTHER game which takes place years after the events of GTA:SA. This game would answer ALL of the questions fans have had, while expanding on the GTA San Andreas universe.
I don't think Rockstar would wanna pay what the actors would probably want to reprise their roles. And Maylay wasn't happy with how his pay was handled for SA so idk if he'd come back.
Sadly, it’s never going to happen. I think people are more likely to accept that CJ died some time after San Andreas or just walked away from the criminal world when it got too much.
Johnny was a buster. CJ ain't dead. Worst case he used money and connections to disappear. He's an icon I really doubt R* would just roll on him after one game, he's probably sitting somewhere in GTA 5 still hidden to this day.
there are definitely related to each other for sure there is no doubt in that but I'm guessing they didn't want to focus on SA but rather something else and leave his family connection to being a mystery
By the end of sanadreas Grove Street owned every territory , well at least you have the option to. Even if you don't take them all over you still have to take over alot to find big smokes location. Apperanlty the 3d and HD universes are not the same , they don't go together. However I would like to think they could be in the same universe, but apperanlty not. I honestly don't think cj died , unless of natural causes , health issues or something. I mean he survived so much in sanadreas lol if that didn't take him down what could ? Just my opinion
He probably legally change his name to start a fresh life and forget all about his past. Sweet has living a grove life and he probably killed off during before gta 5. He might've died from a gang war. Kendl and cesar decides to move to mexico and start a life there. The triads has now making money and start a new casino called the diamond casino and resort.
@@LScentralexactly, Toni killing CJ makes sense in a lot of ways and adds complexity to the story. Funny how Rockstar have never out Right deny this theory.
@@malletUsergaming there are two things: a made man is an italian member of the mafia, and CJ is as italian as Trevor is afrocan. Another thing is that Rockstar kills it's protagonist on screen, not off screen.
My opinion after "CJ" killed "Tenpenny" i believe "CJ" became a celebrity. I believe he moved in "Mad Dog's Mansion" & started his business adventures. Hes keeping an eye on his San Ferriero, Las Ventura investments. His Bone Yard Air Strip, His dealings commercial advertisements living the remainder of his life off the grid. He didnt die, return back to Liberty City nor return to gang bangin'. He again became a local celebrity. ♦️♣️♥️🖤♦️♣️♥️🖤
Nah he stayed in the hood but manages to balance out his other tasks with Woozie and Kendl. He realized by games end how important the hood was to CJ. He got what Sweet said. CJ had been running away from his problems for so long, that he forgot how close to the Grove he was. Especially with San fierro.
It Seems Not Much Connection With GTA San Andreas And GTA 5 World. Maybe In This Universe Families Never Had Grove Street? But True CJ Would've Tooken Out Enough Baller Spots They Wouldn't Be That Deep In GTA 5 Its Way More Ballers Than Families 💚💯
I didn’t like the fact that Ryder was written out of the game randomly. I always wanted to save him or at least play as him. Even if that meant killing CJ. Ryder was more charismatic, gangsta, funny, etc more than CJ. He deserved better.
@@hofnarrtheclown you known I think this to, cause you don’t acc see his death I like to think he jumped off the boat at the last second before it blew up
Ryder's VA left rockstar which led rockstar to make Ryder betray CJ and they had to use the remaining voice lines for CJ but I think it was better that Ryder dies instead of betraying CJ.
@@theangryclaw6465 He didn’t leave. That was made up and people ran with it. He explained that Rockstar just didn’t tell him to do anything else. The video is on UA-cam.
Nah dawg. CJ and sweet are like the og gangsters from the 90's irl. They all moved to the suburbs and run legit businesses and have kids, mortgages and left the hood for good. No one stays in the hood forever. Crime is a tool to help you get to a better position but many fail to pivot.
CJ could have probably settled down in Las Venturas or San Fierro, since there isn't much keeping CJ in Los Santos other than Sweet. Maybe we'll know for certain if another GTA game takes place in San Fierro or Las Venturas in the future. With GTA 6 we might know more about what happened to Tommy Vercetti. And Maybe GTA 7 could be in San Fierro or Las Venturas.
Years after I beat GTA San Andreas, one of the character epilogues/fan fictions I wrote during my layoff due to the lockdown was for CJ. I wrote that after everything was finished with the gangs, government, and corrupt cops, there was nothing left keeping Carl in his old city. He visits his younger brother's grave then gets back on a plane for Pennsylvania-clear across the state as as from from his old life as he can get-where he gets a job as a long haul trucker, dying of a brain aneurysm at 70.
@@zerogamer935 I'm glad you like it, but I mostly wrote these to keep my mind turning and to fight being bored during the lockdown. I felt all these characters I became emotionally invested in deserved a proper ending and continuation after the end of the game. I wrote one for Tommy Vercetti, Niko Bellic, Jack Slate, and Jack Marston.
my guess is cj is still out there, living rich and going on tours with mad dogg, maybe living in san fierro. cesar says this thing later in the game “i like this city, it has something gentle about it” and then cj says “kendl seems to like it too” so maybe its possible they moved there one day. venturas wouldnt be too smart with salvatore after him, as for sweet i dont think he was so lucky. for grove street to be taken over like that hes either dead or doing life
They said they weren’t the same universe that some things may not connect but that doesn’t mean that the story doesn’t run in the same direction for the most part it just means that some things could’ve happened differently or not at all
The whole Rockstar universe thing works like events happened(that is why they are mentioned in hd games sometimes) but everything else is reset. Its a soft reboot. Fast and furious did it with its movies when it turned into an action franchise. Mi movies did it three times with MI , MI2 and then Mi3. James Bond did it with its 80s movies. Its just easier way to write a story because then you don't have to follow the lore of the original world and you don't have to redo everything.
Carl Johnson/CJ didn't die after the game he moved away from Los Santos with his friends to Las Venturas and become successful and he got rid of the Ballas and Vagos, San Fierro Rifa. In 2013 CJ lost all of his friends from mafias in Las Venturas and CJ goes back to Los Santos and he sees that the grove street is now controlled by the ballas again and while Carl goes into his house he saw the ballas, but then ballas notice him and CJ got really angry and shoots them all, he know lives alone with the ballas on the streets, he killed all the ballas in grove street and revived back to it's gang, CJ is now by one himself he was doing drugs and drink all the time in 2024 he is now 56 years old and he's dead from cancer by smoking too much with is Lung Cancer R.I.P Carl Johnson 1968-2024 🕊️
One thing I will never get: we have 2D and 3D and HD. According to Rockstar themselves, these universes are not directly connected, meaning they are not the same. You can see for yourself how the HD version of the map of Los Santos or Liberty City differ from the 3D. One of the missions of the contract DLC of GTA online where Franklin made a return, involves Franklin and Lamar burning weeds, during the mission Franklin says “hey this is like that shit that went down over in Flint County back in the day”. This is an obvious reference to the “are you going to San Fierro” mission in GTA SA where CJ and Truth burn fields of weed before going to San Fierro. This reference implies that the universes are connected. So Rockstar kind of contradicted themselves. My theory is that whatever happened in the 3D universe is irrelevant in the HD universe, the universes are connected but not directly linked. Meaning that the events of the 3D universe have also probably happened in the HD but maybe not in the same way we saw in 3D world. Maybe in the HD universe CJ never went back to Los Santos after meeting new friends as opposed to what we saw in the 3D world, maybe CJ went ahead to become a businessman instead of a gangster
He put the Grove back in control of things, however he wanted no more part in that lifestyle. I can see him moving on with the casino and Madd Dog's managerial positions and left Sweet to handle things. However Sweet wasn't competent enough to keep the Grove on top and it resulted in either him joining CJ in leaving it behind or his death.
Never realized what a complete sack of crap Salvatore is until rewatching The Introduction and getting that post-heist phone call. Anyway, he's not some petty street criminal, and Salvatore wouldn't get close enough after that. Upon losing such an investment, Sal likely went back home soon after. The government wouldn't touch him if realistically, you use the fullface helmet from ProLaps for Black Project and Green Goo. Traditionally, it's what I do. I dress CJ in the helmet, his signature clothes, and change my tattoos afterwards for a touch of realism. Canonically, CJ should be wearing something over his face. I think he's alive and well, all things considered regarding the canons. And if any protagonist should come back for a Johnny treatment, it's Trevor.
I dont think he is dead, Because Franklins voice actor says we will have a surprise in gta 6 and he talked to cjs voice actor and wanted him to join gta 6 and if he were dead then how could he join again? Thats why i say he is not dead because he maybe will be in gta 6, Maybe he was in jail
Honestly, CJ prob just upped and dipped, cause CJ is a BUSTER.... he dont care bout no family, especially after all the BS that happened. He left once, he aint sticking around and dealing with it again. That said, Franklin and CJ would have been epic with the lowdown agency dlc for gta o
ryder, big smoke, and sweet are dead but cj is not dead. cj left grove street like he left brian because he didnt want to die, now he might be a bussiness man with woozie, and kendl is alive but am not sure for cesar
Yes, but it hasn’t been confirmed so all we know is that your theory could be all nonsense because rockstar hasn’t given an official statement yet unless rockstar games says that CJ is dead it’s not true
I always thought it is terrific creating custom made female protagonists even if she is a tall athletic muscle woman wearing a short cute girly dress, short girly socks, and Mary Jane shoes as an example. There also should be various first female names from A to Z you give you female protagonist such as Alexandra as my example.
I 100% thing salvatore took care of him. Cj left salvatore so mad... in gta 3 salvatore didnt have a care in the world. He DEAD. He messed with the mob
bro it is literally imposibble bro it would be the other way round bro it is told than in gta 5 salvatore is dead and michael took his placeas a movie producer in 2013 gta 5 took place there and salvatre woulndt kill cj or send toni after him but if he dit cj would obviosly killet toni or prabrly killet salvatore that explains why salvatore is dead so cj is still alive
CJ is probably gone back to liberty city. He always wanted to leave los santos. And more so after the death of brian (his mentioned brother who died before the game) and his mom. I do think his return to los santos was meant to be temporary.
i think cj would have left los santos and moved to either las venturas or san ferriro being cj wasn't a very good gang member he only did it to help his brother and pay back any resentments his family held against him i see him giving the manger role of maddog to ken rosenburg or kent paul after a year or two and his garage business to cesar and jethero and probably living his best life in las venturas with Woozi under triad and torneo protection with whatever canon gf the player chose if torneo was true to his word in protecting him and sweet probably died in a gang war at some point before or during 1998 my best guess due to his poor gang leadership and cj not being around to keep him in check and i see Cesar and Kendall having a family at some point after gta sa and probably if you want to take the hd easter eggs into account he did modeling for clothing and toothpaste to keep the casino looking legit as possible and advertising purposes
i think cj went away with mad dog alongside sweet after san andreas and while that construction demolition happend leading to the city thats gta 5 personally i think cj started a toothpaste business and knew he had people after him in los santos so he mightve payed someone to act like him hence the hood safari easteregg sweet mustve gave false information from outside in liberty city or possibly vice city since cj can do that since i think being mad dogs manager can pay over 3 thousand but this is my theory maybe cj mightve had a small role modeling job wich is why he appears on billboards in liberty city
CJ has either been hiding from the authorities or has his own business in either Liberty City, Las Venturas or somewhere in Los Santos since he and sweet left Grove St
The mission is based on a theory that Toni Cipriani was sent to kill CJ. On the ps2 cover of LCS that Toni comes back to Liberty City after killing a gangster. (THIS IS JUST A THEORY! THE FACT THAT TONI KILLED CJ IS NOT REAL!)
But didn't Tony kill a madman madman are from the mafia and gsf wasn't a mafia they are a street gang so if Tony had kill cj why does it say Tony kill a madman so no your Theory makes no sense
Do you think CJ died? 🤔
I was suppose to drop a video before this and having this close the discussion but I guess the order has been swapped 😂🤙 I’ll drop two videos this week though.
No
@@carljohnson4592(gunclick) Tony Cipriani"think again kid"(BANG)!(SLUMP)!
@@moodyowlproductions4287*Ryder points gun* don't forget about me, Busta *fires into his head*
No He Smoked Most Of His Rivals. He Probably Living In Liberty City Under A Different Name 🗽💯
@@n1ch0l4st8 errrr..no...he is dead..a dead man can't point a gun at someone... remember this
I'm not dead.
Fuck u cj where you at though?
Will you appear in gta 6 in vice city? 😬
Yeah i agree with OG Carl Johnson4592💢
But you're still a Busta.
All you had to do was follow the damn train CJ
If he dies he will always come back from the hospital
Unless it was in a cutscene
@@commanderblack5045also if he’s not the main protagonist
4:25 makes no sense for CJ to still be in the hood 25 years later this man literally owns a garage,a casino and is a manager to a famous rapper,what he need to stay in the hood for?
Because sweet told him too
@LScentral realistically I think Sweet would be dead or long gone after 1992 up to GTA V,even though V is a different universe it explains why Ballas have Grove Street...
@@LScentral na
Keeping an eye on Sweet. I'd like to think Sweet wised up, but considering Grove Street is Ballas turf, we can assume the worst happened to him.
@@LScentralsweet likely died months later
Literally none of these theories make any sense besides him becoming a legitimate businessman.
There is no concrete mention of CJ outside of San Andreas but at the end of San Andreas, CJ had:
1. Millions of dollars in his pocket
2. A car garage in San Fierro
3. One third ownership of a Casino in Las Venturas
4. Ownership of several residential and commercial properties
5. Manager of Madd Dogg's rap career who was one of the most popular artists in Los Santos
6. Connection to a powerful Government Agent, Mike Toreno
I think CJ is just fine and went legit sometime after the events of the game.
Yeah like I get most of rockstars themes consist a lot of not happy endings but realistically when you look at everything that CJ’s got at the end, it wouldn’t make any sense for him to just end up dead with all the connections he has. Even toward the end of SA. When he’s talking to Sweet and trying to show him all that he’s achieved, sweet so focused on the set, Kendall was the one really letting Carl know there’s more to him than being grove street
@@SCSAsJortsdoesn't matter, victor and johnny still die despite their efforts, it's not out of the possibility for CJ to die too.
@@malletUsergaming The thing is Toni didn't even kill CJ lmao. He just went to kill rival gangster different mafia
Toni won't stand a chance against Carl in combat
A car garage in San Fierro owned by the "snake without a tongue" who later killed the Don that CJ used to work for.
And a pink slip.
Personally I do not think The mob or Tommy had enough power to kill Cj. We forget cj has taken on the LSPD+Noose, Army, the Navy, the Airforce, the government, two rival gangs. And not to mention he’s Allies with the Varrios and the Triads. No way the can touch him sorry.
That's like saying victor is untouchable yet he dies like a dog anyway, it's GTA anything can happen out there
@@malletUsergaming nah that’s terrible writing..if VC he gets clapped so easily but in VCS he can run through entire drug lords operations like nothing…stupid.
@@neegachu9074 nope it's just a realistic outlook on the criminal lifestyle
@@malletUsergaming he died to like 2 bullets. He would be wearing body armor. His death makes absolutely no sense
@@Remix2366 did you see what guns they were carrying? That would obliterated anyone lol
I think all those theories can be disproved easily. for number 1 The Professionals already covered why Salvatore didnt send Tony to kill him. And for 2 and 3 the 3D and HD universe are completely separate. CJ probably is alive and just in Las Venturus with Woozie because of their Casino business and dropping by Grove Street from time to time or touring around with Mad Dog with him being involved in the record business as well.
I’ll watch his video but just because the professional says something doesn’t make it true or law lol he was wrong about who killed cjs mom when mentioning the Ballas and just because the universes are separate doesn’t mean the story isn’t the same they literally contradict themselves by putting Og Loc, Cj and The truth in gta 5’s story .. literally placed them in the story .. however I do believe he would’ve been closely connected to Woozie after all this time and working with him clearing whatever troubles came along the way 💯
the 3D and HD universe are not separate that's what thy WANT YOU to think
@@cydragon2.099hey are separate as the 3D Universe Mafia Families don't exist in the HD Universe. But you can say that certain events of the 3D Universe occurred in the HD Universe with certain elements being changed due to characters not existing or in the HD Universe. With some exceptions like Madd Dogg, OG Loc, Donald Love, and so on. Only difference being their stories being different to what we know of their 3D universe counterparts like Madd Dogg retiring prior to GTA 3 but in GTA 5 he's still active in the rap game
@@MJH129The mafia do exist in the HD Universe you must haven't played GTA 4
@@Nixkrude79 did you not understand what I said? I said the "3D UNIVERSE" Mafia didn't exist in the HD Universe, not that the Mafia didn't exist at all.
The best way to describe post gta SA is "Everyone besides sweet moved on with their lives becoming sucessful, sweet died in a drive by 2 years after SA as the only idiot to stay in the hood after being given a chance to leave"
CJ was speaking the truth in mission 100, he left grove when he was needed the most. So he fixed every problem he indirectly/directly caused and secured a better life for everyone he cared about. Kendell/caesar are operating the garage, woozie/cj are operating the casino, cj/madd dogg and cj/the brits are going on tours, CJ ended the corruption in CRASH ruining lives, and ended the drug empire that ruined not only grove street, but every "hood" in san andreas. Topping it all off, post gane Toreno is making sure no one messes with cj after the heavy lifting he did being one/two 3 letter agents in gta to actually honor their end of the deal. CJ offered everyone a chance to move on to have a healthy life, and everyone took it besides sweet. After the actual leaders left the hood, weaker leaders like sweet, stretch, etc filled the power vaccum which lead to the shitty hood seen in V.
I agree. After the raid on Big Smoke's drug factory, a lot of gang members died, including a lot of the GSF and associates. This created a power vacuum with all gangs and even worse for Grove Street since they are already severely weakened before CJ's return and it all probably blew up after Tenpenny's death since despite the drug problems he was causing, he was the one keeping all the gangs on a leash. CJ, Kendal, Cesar and the rest probably knew what was coming and decided it's not worth it to stay. So it's either Sweet finally swallows his pride and leaves or stays put and dies for a lost cause.
@@dekoldrick Sweet deep down knew he was fighting a losing battle I don't know why he wanted to stay in the hood too badly right when CJ came back and started to put in work eventually Tenpenny knowing it which is what lead to him getting arrestee and CJ getting set off to the country side to disrupt the two from function they should've done something else first to take out crash.
I know I’m super late but omg I’m glad somebody finally said it! I’ve read fanfics (yes I’m that person sometimes lol) about sweet dying because he wouldn’t leave the hood. CJ made a way for everyone to leave but sweet just wouldn’t do it.
Plus looking back Sweet is also why GSF became a failing gang. He lost control, somehow managed to completely be unaware of a drug empire being built right under his nose by his own childhood best friend, then tried to act like a leader when CJ was the one that built GSF back up as much as possible. Worst gang leader ever
@@ladytionne1 fr mannnn
The only man who has seriously reasons to kill CJ and could do that is Mike Toreno and you know why..
Yeah,but he probably couldn't
@@hofnarrtheclown the cia tool hundreds of attempts to assassinate a guy in a exponentially poor country,only to die of old age. And then there's a reason toreno didn't pull those field ops himself. And them CJ killed some of his buddies. CJ is basically the Big Boss of the gta universe. Some washed up CIA guy doesn't have a chance.
CJ is more skilled than most of the world's elite units,yet he's literally just a guy from the hood. Have you even tried power scaling him?
@Remix2366
Are you referring to Castro???
Castro was the president of a country, with top security lol....
The CIA has assassinated presidents......
The Mob would have a hard time killing him, the government less.
@@Remix2366"ya but couldnt" bro hes CIA cj is just some black guy stfu
Toreno wouldn't have killed CJ. Him and Norton are the only 3 letter agents in gta that actually honor their end of the deal by not letting anyone screw with the main character post game. If toreno was going to kill CJ, he wouldn't have springed sweet out of jail and told Carl he was out of his life forever.
If Michael was able to fake death why can’t CJ do same
fucking A+ comment
Honestly CJ could have done that with his connections to toreno, just like michael did with his connections to dave norton
I mean as much as I do wish he would comeback would it be good a plot that he just faked his death the entire time💀💀💀
Because he's black
He moved out of the hood he always spoke about it in missions & moved into the rap game
My head canon is that CJ told Sweet to go eat shit with the whole hood thing and moved on and Sweet again was his usual shitty leader so grove again lost power and sweet died. You can see some things in hd gta that gives implications that CJ became a businessman.
Toni killed a rival Mafia Made Man, not a Gangster, and even if Salvatore wanted to send killas, it really wouldn't be easy to kill CJ, since it is implied that in 1994, CJ would've probably taken over San Andreas, and their GSF's allies are shown to be very powerful, and there was also the GSF Gangsters all around the place
Not to mention that he has the triads and varrios on his side too
@@iambloopy what part of "his allies" you don't understand? "His Allies" literally means by the Triads and the Varrios!
@@n1ch0l4st8 you mad bro?
@@iambloopy you retarded bro?
@@n1ch0l4st8bipolar episode dude?
Rockstar games are geniuses, and sometimes foolish.
The lore behind GTA San Andreas alone is enough for them to make ANOTHER game which takes place years after the events of GTA:SA.
This game would answer ALL of the questions fans have had, while expanding on the GTA San Andreas universe.
I don't think Rockstar would wanna pay what the actors would probably want to reprise their roles. And Maylay wasn't happy with how his pay was handled for SA so idk if he'd come back.
Sadly, it’s never going to happen. I think people are more likely to accept that CJ died some time after San Andreas or just walked away from the criminal world when it got too much.
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas Stories
@@almightyshane If that’s going to happen, then gta 6 will have to be such a colossal mess of a failure for them to do the 3d universe again.
For CJ to come back there would be allot of money to be made
Depends
Unfortunately it won't happen since Young Maylay has bad blood with Rockstar Games.
Johnny was a buster. CJ ain't dead. Worst case he used money and connections to disappear. He's an icon I really doubt R* would just roll on him after one game, he's probably sitting somewhere in GTA 5 still hidden to this day.
Holy shit i just realized CJ has fingers in that Fruntalot poster. Is it his GTA IV render model?
I’ve always thought from day 1 that CJ was/is Franklins Uncle/Dad
there are definitely related to each other for sure there is no doubt in that but I'm guessing they didn't want to focus on SA but rather something else and leave his family connection to being a mystery
Turns out both actors of Franklin and CJ are cousins.
You didn’t mention the billboard with cj picture on it on gta 5.. he’s very much alive my guy..
What billboard? I don’t recall that
that’s in gta 4
@@LScentralthere’s a billboard in gta 4 with a model on it who looks like cj
@@yourlocalpoopdealer5176 and that is cj
Cj may just be hiding from the cops
By the end of sanadreas Grove Street owned every territory , well at least you have the option to. Even if you don't take them all over you still have to take over alot to find big smokes location. Apperanlty the 3d and HD universes are not the same , they don't go together. However I would like to think they could be in the same universe, but apperanlty not. I honestly don't think cj died , unless of natural causes , health issues or something. I mean he survived so much in sanadreas lol if that didn't take him down what could ? Just my opinion
and 2d universe.
He probably legally change his name to start a fresh life and forget all about his past. Sweet has living a grove life and he probably killed off during before gta 5. He might've died from a gang war. Kendl and cesar decides to move to mexico and start a life there. The triads has now making money and start a new casino called the diamond casino and resort.
@@hofnarrtheclown yh such a happy ending with sweet dying
A great one Holmes! Maybe I should create a movie about this 😉
Toni never killed CJ,he killed a made man and fled liberty city,why this rumor existed to begin with?
It's Worst Than "👻 Is Still Alive" 😭💯
@@J2WICESOLIDMOVEMENTit’s not really a bad theory
@@J2WICESOLIDMOVEMENTLOL
@@LScentralexactly, Toni killing CJ makes sense in a lot of ways and adds complexity to the story. Funny how Rockstar have never out
Right deny this theory.
@@malletUsergaming there are two things: a made man is an italian member of the mafia, and CJ is as italian as Trevor is afrocan. Another thing is that Rockstar kills it's protagonist on screen, not off screen.
Love the channel keep it up ❤
The game should have ended wirh CJ paying respects to his mother's grave at the cemetery.
My opinion after "CJ" killed "Tenpenny" i believe "CJ" became a celebrity. I believe he moved in "Mad Dog's Mansion" & started his business adventures. Hes keeping an eye on his San Ferriero, Las Ventura investments. His Bone Yard Air Strip, His dealings commercial advertisements living the remainder of his life off the grid. He didnt die, return back to Liberty City nor return to gang bangin'. He again became a local celebrity.
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FUN FACT: TenPenny survived
@@sullyqureshi676Tenpenny died. His body was mutilated by homeless people heard on the news radio.
@@sullyqureshi676and got arrested
@@yohannspider9001 nah bro what? in the end of the line he dies and on lspr radio you can even hear about his death. Dont be smokin ryder's water fool
Nah he stayed in the hood but manages to balance out his other tasks with Woozie and Kendl. He realized by games end how important the hood was to CJ. He got what Sweet said. CJ had been running away from his problems for so long, that he forgot how close to the Grove he was. Especially with San fierro.
It Seems Not Much Connection With GTA San Andreas And GTA 5 World. Maybe In This Universe Families Never Had Grove Street? But True CJ Would've Tooken Out Enough Baller Spots They Wouldn't Be That Deep In GTA 5 Its Way More Ballers Than Families 💚💯
how the fuck did you get a ryder shanking cj scene that is fucking awesome holy shit
Its character swapping in a different game with mods
It’s Toni’s
I didn’t like the fact that Ryder was written out of the game randomly. I always wanted to save him or at least play as him. Even if that meant killing CJ. Ryder was more charismatic, gangsta, funny, etc more than CJ. He deserved better.
@@hofnarrtheclown you known I think this to, cause you don’t acc see his death I like to think he jumped off the boat at the last second before it blew up
Ryder's VA left rockstar which led rockstar to make Ryder betray CJ and they had to use the remaining voice lines for CJ but I think it was better that Ryder dies instead of betraying CJ.
@@theangryclaw6465 He didn’t leave. That was made up and people ran with it. He explained that Rockstar just didn’t tell him to do anything else. The video is on UA-cam.
@@KIPPZY Oh I see thanks for telling me.
@@theangryclaw6465 No problem. It just sucks. I really wanted more from his character.
They basically hinted it in the game, CJ became a success in the early 90s after the events of SA and is living a quiet life somewhere in the suburbs.
Nah dawg. CJ and sweet are like the og gangsters from the 90's irl. They all moved to the suburbs and run legit businesses and have kids, mortgages and left the hood for good. No one stays in the hood forever. Crime is a tool to help you get to a better position but many fail to pivot.
A lot of them ogs from the 90s are bums, locked up or dead now bro and crime isn’t a tool to better the position it’s a cope to do bad stuff 💀
what happened to the san4san video?
Moved it to my other channel since it wasn’t what you guys wanted
What was that cutscene of Ryder stabbing cj I don’t remember that in the game
Someone made that themselves
I think that CJ just took bad (random) business deals which could explain his random appearances
CJ could have probably settled down in Las Venturas or San Fierro, since there isn't much keeping CJ in Los Santos other than Sweet.
Maybe we'll know for certain if another GTA game takes place in San Fierro or Las Venturas in the future.
With GTA 6 we might know more about what happened to Tommy Vercetti.
And Maybe GTA 7 could be in San Fierro or Las Venturas.
“But his mums death would be the best thing that happened to him” damn 💀
😂 it’s the truth
III, VC and SA are in a different reality than IV, V and VI.. there is no correlation or connection between the two.
There is some based off what the actual company has added
Years after I beat GTA San Andreas, one of the character epilogues/fan fictions I wrote during my layoff due to the lockdown was for CJ. I wrote that after everything was finished with the gangs, government, and corrupt cops, there was nothing left keeping Carl in his old city. He visits his younger brother's grave then gets back on a plane for Pennsylvania-clear across the state as as from from his old life as he can get-where he gets a job as a long haul trucker, dying of a brain aneurysm at 70.
Bruh😂
@@zerogamer935 I'm glad you like it, but I mostly wrote these to keep my mind turning and to fight being bored during the lockdown. I felt all these characters I became emotionally invested in deserved a proper ending and continuation after the end of the game.
I wrote one for Tommy Vercetti, Niko Bellic, Jack Slate, and Jack Marston.
my guess is cj is still out there, living rich and going on tours with mad dogg, maybe living in san fierro. cesar says this thing later in the game “i like this city, it has something gentle about it” and then cj says “kendl seems to like it too” so maybe its possible they moved there one day. venturas wouldnt be too smart with salvatore after him, as for sweet i dont think he was so lucky. for grove street to be taken over like that hes either dead or doing life
CJ cant die, he should be in the nearest hospital.
The weirdest thing about gta san andreas is how come a big telephone fits on CJ’s pocket 😂
I thought Rockstar said that The 3D Universe and HD universe are not connected
They said they weren’t the same universe that some things may not connect but that doesn’t mean that the story doesn’t run in the same direction for the most part it just means that some things could’ve happened differently or not at all
@@LScentralso do you think that their going to Talk about/ bring up Tommy Vercetti in GTA 6 Since one of the main lands is taking place in Vice City?
The whole Rockstar universe thing works like events happened(that is why they are mentioned in hd games sometimes) but everything else is reset. Its a soft reboot. Fast and furious did it with its movies when it turned into an action franchise. Mi movies did it three times with MI , MI2 and then Mi3. James Bond did it with its 80s movies. Its just easier way to write a story because then you don't have to follow the lore of the original world and you don't have to redo everything.
if cj gotten locked up it would’ve been known worldwide. he have to be either dead (assassinated) or moving lowkey .
In the game Universe I think he's alive but in the real life no
In real life the VA still is alive lol
Where do you get these wounderful images
google and some people just make them
Someone...somewhere...probably has a San Andreas save with CJ having a higher kill count than Hitler
💀 on god
That's literally gta online character lmao
He won’t come back cause young malay don’t want to act anymore but if he comes back rockstar gotta may millions probably
Toreno doesn't care about CJ or anyone, he could put CJ in jail if he wants to at anytime so maybe he is in prison.
Carl Johnson/CJ didn't die after the game he moved away from Los Santos with his friends to Las Venturas and become successful and he got rid of the Ballas and Vagos, San Fierro Rifa. In 2013 CJ lost all of his friends from mafias in Las Venturas and CJ goes back to Los Santos and he sees that the grove street is now controlled by the ballas again and while Carl goes into his house he saw the ballas, but then ballas notice him and CJ got really angry and shoots them all, he know lives alone with the ballas on the streets, he killed all the ballas in grove street and revived back to it's gang, CJ is now by one himself he was doing drugs and drink all the time in 2024 he is now 56 years old and he's dead from cancer by smoking too much with is Lung Cancer
R.I.P Carl Johnson 1968-2024 🕊️
One thing I will never get:
we have 2D and 3D and HD. According to Rockstar themselves, these universes are not directly connected, meaning they are not the same. You can see for yourself how the HD version of the map of Los Santos or Liberty City differ from the 3D.
One of the missions of the contract DLC of GTA online where Franklin made a return, involves Franklin and Lamar burning weeds, during the mission Franklin says “hey this is like that shit that went down over in Flint County back in the day”. This is an obvious reference to the “are you going to San Fierro” mission in GTA SA where CJ and Truth burn fields of weed before going to San Fierro. This reference implies that the universes are connected. So Rockstar kind of contradicted themselves.
My theory is that whatever happened in the 3D universe is irrelevant in the HD universe, the universes are connected but not directly linked. Meaning that the events of the 3D universe have also probably happened in the HD but maybe not in the same way we saw in 3D world. Maybe in the HD universe CJ never went back to Los Santos after meeting new friends as opposed to what we saw in the 3D world, maybe CJ went ahead to become a businessman instead of a gangster
He's right here smoking a blunt in my house.
what happens if what if hadn't been for cj distract tenpenny by shouting sweet's name, he will kill carl by shoot him in his back.
thus carl johnson or cj died and killed by tenpenny.
God the video is good, but the pronunciation of "Cipriani" is killing me XD
Most probably Cj got a Toretto ending, from the ghetto to working on international spionage...for some reason.
there is a line where he says "heros get killed" i just heard it playin on mobile after the glen park mission
He put the Grove back in control of things, however he wanted no more part in that lifestyle. I can see him moving on with the casino and Madd Dog's managerial positions and left Sweet to handle things. However Sweet wasn't competent enough to keep the Grove on top and it resulted in either him joining CJ in leaving it behind or his death.
3:28 why are claude and tony together and why arent they shooting each other?
what if hadn't been for hernandez pulaski will kill johnson thus carl johnson or cj died and killed by pulaski.
aren't gta 5 a alternative universe? ii though 3D universe and HD universe are separated
No, HD and 3D Universe are connected.
@@rej.6198 nope. go check on Q&A from rock star
Never realized what a complete sack of crap Salvatore is until rewatching The Introduction and getting that post-heist phone call. Anyway, he's not some petty street criminal, and Salvatore wouldn't get close enough after that. Upon losing such an investment, Sal likely went back home soon after. The government wouldn't touch him if realistically, you use the fullface helmet from ProLaps for Black Project and Green Goo. Traditionally, it's what I do. I dress CJ in the helmet, his signature clothes, and change my tattoos afterwards for a touch of realism. Canonically, CJ should be wearing something over his face. I think he's alive and well, all things considered regarding the canons. And if any protagonist should come back for a Johnny treatment, it's Trevor.
the title cj is dead the video nah he alive bruh
Why do you think that?
CJ ma man... I hope Rockstar will return Cj even in his old age
I think CJ fled like he did years before San Andreas.
if CJ came back, he gunna have to clear out the balla's again, and repair his old house.
I dont think he is dead, Because Franklins voice actor says we will have a surprise in gta 6 and he talked to cjs voice actor and wanted him to join gta 6 and if he were dead then how could he join again? Thats why i say he is not dead because he maybe will be in gta 6, Maybe he was in jail
I just saw CJ on Grove Street
Proof
Honestly, CJ prob just upped and dipped, cause CJ is a BUSTER.... he dont care bout no family, especially after all the BS that happened. He left once, he aint sticking around and dealing with it again.
That said, Franklin and CJ would have been epic with the lowdown agency dlc for gta o
I think C. J went corporate and made even more money! 😂😂
ryder, big smoke, and sweet are dead but cj is not dead. cj left grove street like he left brian because he didnt want to die, now he might be a bussiness man with woozie, and kendl is alive but am not sure for cesar
Sweet is alive still, he is a unknown person in the chamberlain families
I think the best people to give the information about carl Johnson would be Rockstar them self
Idk if you noticed but they don’t care enough to tell us fully and honestly I’m happy they don’t because it would kill the hype around him
Cj is still live in his own universe
People still like playing as CJ for him to return
Overall Rockstar is just lazy that’s why they don’t wanna bring back CJ
Motherfoucker,there are not lazy.Rockstar always create new games and new charcaters,the don't reliay on one charcater
@@charlottenanasikakwenin2024it was lazy to disconnect the universes they might as well used totally different locations for the HD era
Hi ls Can u make a video Why Big sike betrayed cj❤ if you havent
Yes, but it hasn’t been confirmed so all we know is that your theory could be all nonsense because rockstar hasn’t given an official statement yet unless rockstar games says that CJ is dead it’s not true
It’s for discussion feel free to come with logic
what up homie
ON GTA SIX THEY SHOULD ADD CJ SO THEY
CAN HAVE A BIG FIGHT WITH THE GOVERMENT
they cant cuz they are on different universe but you can hope for franklin. michael. trevor. maybe even niko bellic. etc
these could be in gta 6
I always thought it is terrific creating custom made female protagonists even if she is a tall athletic muscle woman wearing a short cute girly dress, short girly socks, and Mary Jane shoes as an example. There also should be various first female names from A to Z you give you female protagonist such as Alexandra as my example.
In the gta5.. u can actually see the toothpaste one.
Plus ppl say he started his own clothing line.. modeling ect. And he retired.. but idk
I 100% thing salvatore took care of him. Cj left salvatore so mad... in gta 3 salvatore didnt have a care in the world. He DEAD. He messed with the mob
bro it is literally imposibble bro it would be the other way round bro it is told than in gta 5 salvatore is dead and michael took his placeas a movie producer in 2013 gta 5 took place there and salvatre woulndt kill cj or send toni after him but if he dit cj would obviosly killet toni or prabrly killet salvatore that explains why salvatore is dead so cj is still alive
They would have shown us if they wanted CJ death.
CJ is probably gone back to liberty city. He always wanted to leave los santos. And more so after the death of brian (his mentioned brother who died before the game) and his mom. I do think his return to los santos was meant to be temporary.
I doubt he did. Liberty city is least of all places he wants to go back after Salvatore
i think cj would have left los santos and moved to either las venturas or san ferriro being cj wasn't a very good gang member he only did it to help his brother and pay back any resentments his family held against him i see him giving the manger role of maddog to ken rosenburg or kent paul after a year or two and his garage business to cesar and jethero and probably living his best life in las venturas with Woozi under triad and torneo protection with whatever canon gf the player chose if torneo was true to his word in protecting him and sweet probably died in a gang war at some point before or during 1998 my best guess due to his poor gang leadership and cj not being around to keep him in check and i see Cesar and Kendall having a family at some point after gta sa and probably if you want to take the hd easter eggs into account he did modeling for clothing and toothpaste to keep the casino looking legit as possible and advertising purposes
I’m sad and disappointed R* didn’t add CJ into GTA V or give him his due in GTAO as shitty of a cash grab that would be.
i think cj went away with mad dog alongside sweet after san andreas and while that construction demolition happend leading to the city thats gta 5 personally i think cj started a toothpaste business and knew he had people after him in los santos so he mightve payed someone to act like him hence the hood safari easteregg sweet mustve gave false information from outside in liberty city or possibly vice city since cj can do that since i think being mad dogs manager can pay over 3 thousand but this is my theory maybe cj mightve had a small role modeling job wich is why he appears on billboards in liberty city
San Andreas need a remake for sure (a little different is fine) i'm definely gonna buy the game no cap
I hope they create gta V v2 where cj is the main character in there🥰
i heard that CJ might be Franklins Uncle cause CJ Dates a Girl Named Denise and Franklins Aunt is named Denise it’s the same Denise
I reckon he will be in police protection and in exile somewhere around Vice City or Liberty City in the 3d Universe
are we talking about GTA vice city or San address?
It makes sense if Toni killed Cj, as he is VERY loyal to Salvador in LCS
So, as cj was an enemy of the leones
Conspiracy theory 🎉😎
CJ definitely did move back to los house top ranked the games Loki But after a bust FIB
CJ has either been hiding from the authorities or has his own business in either Liberty City, Las Venturas or somewhere in Los Santos since he and sweet left Grove St
The mission is based on a theory that Toni Cipriani was sent to kill CJ. On the ps2 cover of LCS that Toni comes back to Liberty City after killing a gangster. (THIS IS JUST A THEORY! THE FACT THAT TONI KILLED CJ IS NOT REAL!)
Yea it’s really hard to say what happened to any of them due to eastereggs always coming out and lore
I think CJ might be Franklin's Dad
But didn't Tony kill a madman madman are from the mafia and gsf wasn't a mafia they are a street gang so if Tony had kill cj why does it say Tony kill a madman so no your Theory makes no sense
He is alive
Like aryure morhan he is a legend
Salvatore Leon put a contract on CJ and had him whacked by a mob hitman