I think Snape and a few other Death Eaters were aware of the existence of Horcruxes (while no longer in the Hogwarts library, there were books on horcruxes published and therefore buyable, likely in a bookstore in knockturn alley) but they all were missing one crucial piece of information: what someone looked like if they created more than one. Voldemort is the only one who dared risking it and it was only after a few Horcruxes that it really started to alter him, physically. Voldemort was the only one who knew what it did to the body over time, if you kept creating them. So, while some Death Eaters might have otherwise considered him having one (we know Regulus Black was aware of at least one horcrux), they would have shelved the idea once they saw the transformations. It didn't fit the known effects of a horcrux and wouldn't be necessary if he actually had created a horcrux, so for many it was more logical to think that he found another way to build up his immortality. It was easier to think that he had done other experiments, as far as the world was aware (or more accurately, anyone with knowledge on the topic of horcruxes), horcruxes didn't alter one's physical appearance, so Voldemort must have been doing something else. It was also an illusion Voldemort actively sold going by his claim that his followers had seen the steps and measures he had taken to follow the path to immortality further to anyone else. From the way it was written (and before we, the reader knew what Horcruxes were), I assumed that he had done several different magical experiments over the years, from spells to potions, there was no hint that he used one single ritual a few times for each of his transformations and I think that was intentional. To create this grand illusion, this smoke and mirror act to hide the fact that his secret wasn't something new, no cutting edge dark magic but something that was already ancient. And it worked! Even Dumbledore didn't start to piece together that Voldemort had created horcruxes until one of them ended up on his desk with a hole burnt through it and even than, he was unsure. Sure, he had enough circumstancial evidence to conclude that it was a horcrux, by what Harry had described to him and the way Harry had disposed of it but even then he had doubts (especially due to how it was used) it still took him two years and a rousing speech by the Dark Lord himself for him to be absolutely certain that Voldemort really had done the unthinkable. That he didn't use unknown obscure magical experiments that resulted in the "dangerous transformations" that turned the handsome Riddle into the sinister Voldemort but in fact used the darkest known invention to wizarding kind and cranked it up to eleven.
@@LycaonsMemories That would have been a possibility, if it wasn't for the confirmation that it was Dumbledore who removed them from the library. And it wouldn't really matter that much as they all are published books, meaning they must have been purchasable somewhere (my guess, a bookstore in Knockturn Alley). I think Dumbledore's idea was that it was less likely for someone to go look for such books (inside Hogwarts, outside hogwarts) if they had never come across the term. It isn't a fullproof way but still the best preventional measure he could take untill the ministry of magic bans those books.
Well, I don't remember about book Snape but as we saw in one of the memories that Snape gave Harry when he was killed, Snape did know that a part of Voldemort's soul latched itself onto Harry and the only way for it to be destroyed was for Voldemort to kill Harry. So you could argue that Dumbledore maybe didn't tell Snape that Voldemort had multiple Horcruxes but he certainly knew that Harry was one of them.
@@Jack_of_Hearts4 I don't think he knew the ring was a horcrux. Maybe he thought it only had a terrible curse that would be unleashed upon he who is foolish enough to wear the ring?
While there is truth in this, it could still be conjectured that Snape didn't actually know about horcruxes. He may certainly have had an understanding to some degree that part of voldermorts soul latched onto Harry, but that doesn't necessarily mean he understand what that meant or that it was an actual form of magic that had been practiced and had a name. More likely that it was just some fluke of magic, and not something intentionally done. This is given creedence by the fact that that's how Dumbledore explains it before he starts to realize that voldemort actually did create horcruxes. I believe that although Dumbledore, grasped that part of voldemorts soul had latched onto harry, didn't fully connect that to Harry being a horcrux until much later. It was an obscure bit of magic that he may have had knowledge about, but it was just in the back of his mind and the dots werent connecting. He might not even known about 'horcruxes', but even if he did, based on information we get, it's something that was incredibly rare for anyone to actually do. In fact, it could be safely assumed that nearly no one EVER had actually done it. It's so obscure that only very devout researchers (a researcher may be good like slughorn or bad like Tom, it doesnt matter) of the dark arts would ever come across the idea. Like less than 1% of wizards ever. And then, just as small or smaller of a fraction of them would even be willing to attempt it, and then even only a fraction of them ever actually doing it. It was so unpracticed that it was essentially only a concept/theory, and not much of one at that. I don't remember the dialogue but Dumbledore actually basically says it himself in goblet of fire. He is using the pensieve to go over his memories because he feels there is some bit of crucial information he is missing, something significant that he is failing to realize. We the readers, at that time, think it's in regards to the tournament and possible return of Voldemort, and Dumbledore himself probably thinks so too. But while that can and is very much the case as well, it was also very likely the beginning of his brilliant mind recognizing that there were important details stored in his memory that had significance beyond his current realization. Then voldemort returns and all these things start adding up, and we the readers feel that perhaps what he had been missing were things like Moody actually being Barty Jr., and likewise Dumbledore probably did at first as well. But again, while that very likely was part of it, it could still be true that there was more too it. And I believe over the course of the next school year, Dumbledore still had that nagging feeling that he was missing something, and that feeling hadn't lessened to any significant degree after things unfolded. Which I then believe is one of the largest reasons he delved back into Voldemorts past before Half blood Prince started. Because think about it, he probably did this kind of research back when voldemort was originally in power. Hell, he obviously did a fair bit before ever even meeting Tom as a child. But now he has this feeling that there was something really big that he was just not putting together, and is going back over things to look at it all in a different light. Going further than that: He's had this understanding that a 'part' of voldemort was passed to Harry when he was a baby. He knows that voldemorts soul possessed Quirril. He hears about what happened with the diary, and how Tom says in his own words that he preserved a 'part' of himself within it. He finds the ring, and grasps that it is something similar. He vocalizes that he has suspisions about what is going on here, and yet after all this, it's not until he actually hears the word Horcrux that it all comes together for him.
At the time of the true memory from Slughorn, Voldemort already murdered his father and made the first horcrux. In the memory he was in possession of the Gaunt ring and that was his first horcrux. Voldemort mostly wanted to find out from Slughorn if it was possible to make more than one horcrux.
Not sure he stuck around long enough to hear that. We don't know precisely when he left, but I suspect it was right after Ron pulled Harry out of the frozen lake. He knew Harry was safe and had the sword. No need to stick around and risk provoking them.
It took Dumbledore decades to figure it out. I think the only people who knew or suspected would have been Slughorn and Regulus. If Snape had known I imagine he would have told Dumbledore or done more to find and destroy them out of revenge for Lily.
@@alastorclark3492 that begs the question... how did regulus know about horcruxes? Or slug horn for that matter? JKR made it clear that only one other wizard (the inventor of the horcux, Herbert the Fowl) besides our lovable Moldy Voldy was known to have successfully created one.
Tom already knew how to create horcruxes and had most likely already created one when he had spoken with Slughorn about them. He just wanted to know if you could create multiple horcruxes.
Actually, per the books, Tom Riddle had already made at TWO horcruxes when he asked Slughorn about them- he wanted Slughorn's opinion on whether splitting a soul into seven pieces would make it the most powerful. He'd already made the diary by killing Myrtle, and the ring after killing Morfin. It is mentioned that he was wearing the ring, in the memory. Several Death Eaters knew, or suspected about the horcruxes.
There's a fan theory I've seen floating around that says Dumbledore had actually meant to leave the information with Snape in the books he held in his office, knowing that he would likely be appointed Headmaster, except that Hermione pinched the books out of the office and took them with her on their adventure. Personally, I think that had he known about them, things may have turned out very differently. He would have easily figured out what the kids were up to, and may have been even more careful around his dark boss.
I believe Snape knew at some point. I just don't think that he believed it to be real. Even if he did and done nothing to destroy them, still he did a lot more for the Wizarding world and the good guys. Without the help of Snape Voldemort wouldn't have fallen. He knew well that if he stood and fought Voldemort he would be revealed as his enemy, instead he fooled Voldemort to the end sacrificing himself willingly to save everybody. So yeah he knew just couldn't destroy them directly. That is why he bought time for Harry and his friends to do it. And if he could have shown his true aligns, be sure that he would fight the DE and kill them all.
Theories will always be out there, but for this one I think it is simple. JK thought about Horcruxes too late. When she figured out a way to keep Voldemort alive in her head she did not realize that it would be impossible for his followers to not know. So in my head, Snape always knew, he was just incapable of doing anything about it. There is no way, IF JK had thought of it from the beginning that she would not have wrote these things in, therefore I believe it was a late in the game Epiphany.
Interestingly Regulus somehow knew about Horcruxes, and understood the locket was one. It makes me wonder where he attained this knowledge when even Voldemort had trouble finding out about them.
Kreacher told him about the cave with the locket. Knowing it was a secret that voldemort didn't want anyone knowing about it. Regulus was upset that voldemort nearly killed Kreacher and wasn't happy that he saw his families house elf as a lesser being. Kreacher was Regulus's friend when at home cause it was only Regulus, Kreacher and his mother there. Seeing as Sirius spent most of his holidays and time at the potters.
@@emmanorman8172 OK but that still doesn't explain how he could have known of them, when even Voldemort needed Slughorn to gain a better understanding of what Horcruxes are.
@@barbiquearea Regulus only knew about the locket and had wanted to leave the death eaters and voldemort after what he did with kreacher. And it was suspected by Regulus that the locket was a horacrux. As being from an original pure blood dark wizard family they of course had dark knowledge of forbidden spells and stuff. It is why Regulus told Kreacher to destroy the locket and he tried as Regulus didn't tell him it was a horacrux. It was his last dying wish off kreacher before he was drowned by the animated dead bodies in the water.
*edited* So I got a few things wrong when I first posted this, like reeeally wrong. I’ve read the books at least 6 times now but still get things mixed up and forget. But I still think I’m generally I am right. So instead of editing the whole post I’ll just say what I got wrong: Snape and Tom did not go to school together. Snape got orders from Dumbledores painting to give Harry the sword. But one thing I’ll add is that in Chapter 33 of the Dealthly Hollows when Harry is seeing Snape a memories in the pensive we see a scene where Snape is arguing with Dumbledore on why he won’t share everything with him and is trusting other secrets to Harry when that’s dangerous because Harry’s mind is connected to Voldemort. Dumbledore responds (quote from memory so not word for word) “when the time comes and Voldemort no longer sends his snake out but keeps it close by it’ll be time to tell Harry the full truth.” “What is the full truth?” “That when lily sacrificed herself to protect him a piece of Voldemort’s soul broke off and entered the only other living thing in the room, harry. Voldemorts soul and Harry’s are one. Voldemort cannot die as long as Harry lives.” So I believe that with that key piece of information added to the fact that Harry would need Gryffindor sword at some point, the fact that Dumbledore had a ring that was Voldemorts which he tried to protect with a curse but Dumbledore destroyed with the sword, and that Voldemort was also trying to protect his snake, and the fact that Snape was a master in the dark arts and it wasn’t a secret Voldemort wanted to live forever and was successful at coming back to life plus the fact that Wormtail who lived with Snape as his servant was the one that casted the spell that brought Voldemort back to life and Snape most definitely would have gotten that information from him one way or another for Dumbledore, I believe Snape probably found out at some point in his career about horcruxes if not by having access to the banned book Magic Most Evil but through his own research, I think he had all the information he needed to put it all together himself. *end edit* Incorrect: Firstly: Voldemort never told Snape about making horcruxes. But at some point Snape found out. But Snape either knew about there existence already or that information was available to him either when he was a student or after he became a professor. Let me explain. We know that Voldemort didn’t tell Snape about the horcruxes after the Gringots break-in. When Harry connected to Voldemort‘s mine he listened to Voldemort‘s thoughts and one of those thoughts was a question he asked himself on whether or not he should tell Snape. And he decided not to because he learned he couldn’t trust anyone because of Bellatrix and Malfoy‘s failures. Secondly, Tom Riddle clearly already knew what horcruxes were before he spoke to Slughorn, because the book “magic most evil“ was still in the library at that time and was only removed when Dumbledore became headmaster and removed them because of Tom Riddle. The only reason why Tom spoke to Slughorn was to get the information on whether one could split their soul into seven pieces instead of two. Finally, I believe Snape at least had the knowledge of what horcruxes are because as a Slytherin who devoted his life to mastering the dark arts he most definitely would’ve read ‘magic most evil’ if it was available to him. If the book was available to Tom then it was available to Snape because they were going to school at the same time. Or he would’ve learned it from some other source. I think this is proven by the fact that Snape went out of his way to give Gryffindor sword to Harry during the deathly hallows book because he knew the sword with aid him and destroying horcruxes. Why in the world would Snape do that if he didn’t know about horcruxes? It makes no sense. He had to have known. And since we know Voldemort didn’t tell him, we have to assume Snape learned about it himself. Even if ‘Magic most evil’ wasn’t available when he was a student, he most definitely would have learned about it when he became a teacher and had access to all band books. Snape, lover of the dark arts, would have definitely taken advantage of his position to read these band books on dark magic. This is my belief.
"because they were going to school at the same time" Nope, they attended Hogwarts like 30 years apart. Snape wasn't even born yet when Riddle was at Hogwarts.
Also incorrect was him saying Tom Riddle was abandoned by his mother at an orphanage. His mother died after giving birth to him. His father abandoned Merope when she was pregnant. His mother dying was a major motivator for Voldemort's efforts to escape death.
This video got a few things wrong: Voldemort trusted Snape?? Voldemort doesn't trust. To him, other people are just disposable tools. Snape was a master occlumence. We don't actually know how good he was at legilimency, being able to extract information at will from children who don't know how to defend themselves is hardly an accomplishment. Dumbledore believed Voldemort already knew about horcruxes and how to make them when he went to talk to Slughorn and was only interested in an opinion on what would happen if a person made multiple horcruxes because as far as anyone knows it had never been done before. Even if Snape had realized Voldemort was likely to use this type of magic to attain immortality, it's unlikely he would've guessed Voldemort made more than one horcrux because nobody had done it before. Snape also wouldn't have had access to all the knowledge and memories Dumbledore was able to obtain in order to ascertain the exact number of horcruxes and what they might be. Many of the people from which Dumbledore got memories were long gone by Voldemort's second rise to power, and for most people the events that allowed Voldemort to come back would've been the first indicator that he had at least one horcrux.
I wonder how Regulus Black found out about the horcruxes' Voldemort's comments in the grave yard indicate that some death eaters knew he had taken steps to prevent death, presumably by creating a horcrux, but Regulus Black's comment indicate he was not in the inner circle and found out himself. Which raises the question as to why Regulus Black was bothered by the creation of horcruxes? He was a supporter of Voldemort, was it a step too far for him to support?
Regulus probably switched side for other reasons. Voldemort either didn't know he knew anything about the horcruxes or knew and was too busy to check on them. Regulus might have just been a dark arts nerd and had read the books at some point
He found out from Kreacher. Voldemort borrowed Kreature to help him plant that horcrux in the cave, then left Kreature to die. Kreature, of course, used his own magic to get back to Regulus. That's how Regulus knew about the horcrux and where it was. He turned against Voldemort because he left Kreature to die in the cave.
I would love a video about how Regulus came to understand that locket was a horcrux and where to find it. He must have been amazing at legimency also to hide his knowledge from Voldemort.
I think I did know of Snape's ignorance of horcruxes, if only on an intuitive level. I mean it seemed to make sense that Voldemort would have kept this his deepest secret.
My opinion all along has been that Snape figured out the horcrux thing. The man knew more curses in first year than any of the seventh years. He was so fascinated by the dark arts from such a young age. I would not be surprised if Snape actually had a copy of the book at his place. JK describes his place as having many shelves of old leather bound books. I don't think the Hogwarts Library was the only place you could find a copy of it either, that is before Dumbledore removed it. I don't think it was a common book, but I bet you could get a copy of it at Borgin & Burks or some other Dark Arts store in Knockturn Alley. Dumbledore basically told him that Harry was a horcrux. Also Snape was there just after Dumbledore destroyed the ring. He asked why Dumbledore put it on, given the it had a very powerful curse attached to it. It took extraordinary action on Snapes part to keep Dumbledore alive. Dumbledore also told Snape to look out for a time when Voldermort would fear for the life of his snake, and keep her under magical protection. Now Snape is not stupid, just from those conversations with Dumbledore alone he could have figure out there were at least 3 hocruxes. Then, I'm sure there was a discussion about the diary after Chamber. If not, Snape sure as hell saw Voldermort's reaction upon learning that the diary was destroyed. So now he knows about 4 horcruxes. And if Snape knew anything, not just about Voldermort, but about magic in general, and how 7 is a very powerful magical number...I'm sure he would have figured it out. And whatever questions he had I'm sure Phineas Nygellus filled him on everything at Grimmuld Place when he was there. We all know from the memmories Snape gave Harry, Snape went to Grimmuald Place after the 7 Potters event. This is where he finds Lily's letter. I have read several fans saying he goes there to get the letter, which is just dumb. He goes there, because he knows about the jinx, and goes to get his tongue tied, so he can't reveal the location of the Order to Voldermort. With Dumbledore dead, he is now a secret keeper. Even in the book, Ron asks if they think Snape had been by to have his tongue tied, and Hermione answers yes, otherwise he'd be able to tell the deatheaters how to get in. I think when he was there, Phineas told him all about Harry and Dumbledore's conversations, and what they thought the horcruxes were. He also could have added that he saw Kreature trying, and failing to destroy a locket. Which causes Snape to ransacked the place seeing if he can find it. This is when he stumbles on Lily's letter. And he doesn't just take the letter because it has Lily's name on it. He takes the last page because it reveals the connection between Dumbledore & Grindelwald. The reason I think it was him, and not Mundugus that trashes the place is that Mundugus would be too afraid to go back to Grimmuald Place after the events of the 7 Potters. He would be too afraid of running into anyone from the Order. Also, Regulus's bedroom door was locked. Mundugus would not have thought to relock the door. However Snape would have. But knowing about the horcruxes and doing anything about them are 2 different things. Voldermort told noone anything about his horcruxes. Best they could do was to sit back, and to wait for a clue as to where they might be, and investigate when they could. If Voldermort had been smarter about it, and hid them in random places, I doubt anyone would have found the all
VIDEO IDEA: What if Voldemort used the Time Turner and why didn’t he know about it? If he knew about it, he could’ve gone back in time to his younger self and raised himself and would’ve had even more advanced magical abilities.
You can't really interact with yourself using a Timeturner. You risk terrible consequences. Furthermore, if he had done that, it would have already happened. There would be no timeline in which he hadn't been raised by himself (see in prisoner of Askaban). His younger self then would have to go back too, and raise himself again, so it wouldn't be of much use, wasting years. They also don't just give the kids in an orphanage out to just anyone coming to the doors.
Slughorn only told Voldemort about splitting his soul into 7. Dumbledore was certain that he already had the knowledge to create horcruxes before that point. So Voldemort didn’t learn about them from slughorn. That’s simply not true. His specific question was what happens when splitting the soul into 7 indicating he already knew everything else or he would have started with the basics before escalating to such a serious question lol. I have a hard time believing someone like snape who also delved into dark magic couldn’t find the knowledge a lot easier than the trio who don’t touch dark magic all that much and certainly don’t have any kind of extensive knowledge into it like snape or Voldemort. It even states the existence of horcruxes on “herpo the fouls” chocolate frog card. Yeah the trio might have trouble finding information , but snape is someone who surrounded himself with dark wizard and became a death eater. I feel like dark knowledge is a lot easier to access for him than Harry , Ron , and hermoine inside of hogwarts and limited to hogwarts reading material instead of the entirety of the wizarding world including knockturn alley which seems to have a lot of dark artifacts and such. If nobody down there know about a horcrux I would be thoroughly surprised. Again it’s literally written that herpo the foul created one on his chocolate frog card. The knowledge that Voldemort really wanted to keep hidden was the fact that he made 7. Something no one else had done and no one would even consider. Slughorn who he asked the question and believed to be the most knowledgeable in the subject to give him the answer even looked appalled. The very thought was beyond anyone to ever think up unless you’re the darkest wizard of all times completely void of love and remorse that is lol.
We don't know how many other copies of those books are floating around. It would be rather scary if the last copies of rare books were stored in a high school with not so great security.
Tom Riddle already knew about Horcruxes when he approached Slughorn. He had already killed his own father and grandparents, and maybe even made his first Horcrux. He only wanted to learn from Slughorn about what would happen if someone split their soul more than once and made six Horcruxes.
I'd like to propose a question. What would have happened if more then one of Voldemorts Horcruxes gained a new body? Would the two Voldemorts fight each other for power? Two separate Voldemorts, each having their own minds. Each thinking that they are the "one" and "only" Voldemort.
I bet it would be a Highlander situation. Simply fight until the "Strongest" is left. After all, using one to be revived clearly doesnt remove the Horcrux because Nagini was still one of them after The Graveyard incident.
A single timeline jumping movie from Tom riddle's point of view that shows him becoming a dark wizard from the moment he meets Dumbledore to the moment he kills Harry's parents could be really good and informative possibly depicting him as a tragic villain
Video idea for you to do: What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
Regulus Black might have had a clue, but was the first to die experiencing the effects of finding it. Dumbledore was the second... but with a whole plan figured out.
Here’s my question, was Professor MgGonagle a part of the order? And if not, why not? I could totally see her helping the Gryffindor’s get set up in The Room Of Requirement and helping them find ways to stay safe from Snape and The Carrows. It’s totally possible that she was helping them all along.
I only replied so I'd get alerted back if someone does answer your question. To me it was never clear if she was part of the Order. I think yes she must have been because she visited the headquarters.
7 months late, but from what I could find by researching she was not a part of the Order during the First Wizarding War because the Ministry of Magic had recruited her to spy on Voldemort and his followers (remember she is an Animagus being able to transform into a cat). However, she did become a part of the Order at some point in the books/movies, probably Philosopher's Stone as I'm sure Dumbledore was keeping Minerva well informed of Harry's importance to help keep him safe.
I wouldn't put it past the ol boy, Severus. He was a very smart man and I imagine he believed that Voldermort had made One Horcrux... There were said to have been several witch and wizards during the first war who gave Voldermort great duels but just couldn't kill him. At some point, this would had to have gotten ol Severus thinking. He was the male version of Hermione when it came to studying and learning new things. Dude reinvented the standard potions guide book and developed his own spells that became Very important to the golden trio decades later. So yeah, Snape knew Voldermort must've created a Horcrux, but I seriously doubt he knew Voldermort made more than one.
As I understand it, having a horcrux doesn't make him unbeatable in a duel, he just remains tied to the physical world if his body dies. They couldn't beat him because he's just that good.
Tom learned about them after looking around the restricted section in the library, where he found a copy of The Secrets of the Darkest Art. Dumbledore retrieved the book when he found that Tom had found it, but it was too late. Tom had already murdered Myrtle and his grandparents by the time he questioned Slughorn. Tom was wearing the ring when that occurred. He would have been sixteen, turning seventeen on January first. Slughorn, who had a weakness for the knowledgeable and those that buttered him up, told Tom of what Tom already knew. All Tom wanted to know was what was the maximum number that one could create. The book was the same one that Hermione summoned on the way to Dumbledore's funeral.
My issue is, Voldy states in GOF, page 648 while talking to his DE's, "They, who KNEW the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death".
But i think Bellatrix may have known part of voldemorts soul resided in the goblet...her terror at believing hermione had been inside her vault can only be explained by her thinking they had gotten the goblet, too..as harry explains, himself.
My question is if Snape thought Voldemort was going to kill him why go during the battle to see him. Why not run and see if maybe harry and the gang could win and then ask for forgiveness after the final battle
Because if he didn't show up Harry couldn't defeat Voldemort, he knew he needed to keep up the act even if it meant his death. If Snape didn't show Voldemort would get suspicious & might of even left the battle to protect himself, Voldemort only attacked Hogwarts because he believed he was the master of the Elder Wand & unbeatable at that point. If he knew the truth he wouldn't risk his life to attack Harry again. Also remember Snape had a death wish, he wanted to die. It was only because of Dumbledore he didn't kill himself, he gave him a new purpose "protect Harry from Voldemort." He followed Dumbledore's plan & did want was needed to help bring down Voldemort. At the end he went to Voldemort knowing he'd die which he was fine with, because he no longer needed to protect Harry from Voldemort. He (like Dumbledore) knew Harry would win & so he could finally die & be reunited with Lilly (like he wanted).
If he doesn’t show up Voldemort would not only search for him, but he might find out that Draco was the one who disarmed dumbledore and come to kill Draco. Snake had made the unbreakable vow to protect Draco.
My doubt is, how Regulus Black knew about Horcruxes? He knew about them because he talked about them in the false locket, but he could not have learnt about them at Hogwarts, as Dumbledore had taken the books from there
It’s very clear that Dumbledore shared, and discussed this information with him, and with the ego Voldemort had about his immortality, he most likely bragged about it. Harry was able to find them because he was connected to.Them.
Why would Voldemort tell his followers? Because it required such a convoluted and precise spell to use a horcrux to come back. If it were just "bestowing immortality," then it would make sense to keep it secret from everyone. But when it involves being almost completely powerless until someone does specific things and says specific words to bring you back, then it would make sense to tell all of them something, even if each one only got a disguised or misleading piece of the truth and none of them were permitted to talk to the others about it.
I think Snape knew and Voldemort knew he did. It would explain why Voldemort “trusted” Snape above all others and kept him so close. Voldemort surely knew that if Severus could keep *that* secret he was probably a devotee. Voldemort would have been incapable of trusting someone else, so there must have been a more objective reason why he “favored” Severus over his other Death Eaters.
It took Dumbledore how many years to find out Tom made them in the first place? Harry's telepathic link to Tom is probably why he knew to use the basilisk fang to destroy the diary. Don't think Bellatrix lestrange knew what she was holding in her vault. Dumbledore knew Tom Riddle the longest. Hr put the few clues he had together.
i always just assumed it was a simple matter of neither dumbledore nor voldemort having the "irresponsible" position to discuss horcruxes...dumbledore only speaks of them to HARRY because HARRY MUST be told. Snape, on the other hand, never NEEDED to know the specifics of voldemort's horcruxes, or i think, he might, have tried to kill nagini himself (and reveal his double-agency) to voldemort and die...earlier.
Being aware doesn't mean you can do anything about it. Snape had a lot on his plate. He was spying on the Death Eaters. He was being a complete double-agent. And I would suspect that his nosing around for horcruxes would cause him to expose himself.
I think it more likely that Snape wasn’t trusted with the information by either side because of his proximity to the other side. You don’t send your double agent into enemy territory with ALL the information. Just enough to carry out orders.
It was like finding lost media that was banned for various reasons. Even the most adept scholars can't learn anything if the materials aren't available. Think of the Vatican Archives and that while the have great knowledge, not many people are given access and those who can may not like what they could find in the labyrinthian library.
As common as love potions are you would think quite a few babies would get made because of them so shouldn't there be tons of evil wizards running around
hhahhahahaha...oh, let's not discuss polyjuice potion now. I wonder how many ugly perverted people steal some guy's comb to get a hair out of it and then pretend to be the husband looking for some mid-afternoon activity time with the wife.
How did regulas black learn about horcruxes? That is what I want to know. I believe that in a moment hubris Voldemort said something in front of blacks house elf. I forgot his name. Voldemort assumed that the elf would die in his trap when setting the elf to the task of drinking the evil potion set inside the cave. And of course Regulas Black had ordered him to return. So when he returns, the elf told Regulas about the horcruxes. And thus that’s how he figured out what it was.
Voldemort didn't want anyone knowing about his horcruxes. I don't think Snape or any of the death Eaters knew about the . I think there was a book in the Hogwarts library that gave Tom Riddle the knowledge to do them.
What always annoyed me: Merope married Tom Riddle and had a son with him who actually bore the Riddle surname. Love potion or no, for a wealthy person or even aristocrat in pre-ww2 England to just dump his wife and leave his trueborn son behind would not only be utterly unthinkable, Tom would've found his way to his family almost instantly. Riddle Sr. might have not wanted these relations, but pre-war society in England being what it was and with the Riddles likely being nobles, either the orphanage, or the (wizarding) state would've found his family.
Creature, his elf, was used by Voldemort to test this potion at the very same cave that Harry and Dumbledore visited. Regulus ordered Creature to takie him there.
What I have never understood is how Peter Pettigrew understood what to do in order to use a horcrux to bring Voldemort back. Someone had to have known. If it was Le Strange, why did she not perform the rite herself? Why would Voldemort trust a traitor and former tormentor with such information that he would not entrust to his most faithful servants?
Voldemort would have talked him through it. Probably wouldn't have mentioned horcruxes, just shown him how to make the potion and what to do in the graveyard. Also at that point he didn't know how many of his former followers were still onboard, many had fled and hid and never went to look for him. He had little choice but to entrust Peter.
Being a Horcrux isn't the reason they used Harry to bring Voldemort back, they needed the blood of an enemy to add in the potion, any enemy would have done I believe but Voldemort insisted on it being Harry Potter, and as to why Bellatrix didn't do it, it was because she was locked up in Azkaban.
I would love a series of tom riddle slowly becoming voldemort. The series would start when dumbledore brings him to hogwarts and end when he kills the potter's
I think he proberbally did.. but agreed his role was to stay close and loyal to both Dumbledore and Voldemort so to pull at this string would have caused to much attention to him.. Just my thoughts..
Was it ever stated how a horcrux was actually made. I know it involved murder, a spell and something that made jk Rowling editor vomit. Always thought it was cannibal of the murdered victim, or necrophilia.
murder caused damage to the soul, so he used magic to take a piece of his soul and bind it to an object. Or a living thing (like the snake). He accidently made Harry into one, when he killed Harry's parents. he, essentually mutulated his soul. and it caused his physical form to change as well. as best I remember it being explained. No cannibalism or necropilia was involved
Maybe...maybe, voldy had to possess the dead body, or control it like an inferi or whatever, and make that dead body eat a piece of him? Maybe that's what happened to his nose. It got used to feed his horcrux.
i don't think lucius malfoy was an expert in magical objects - or an expert in anything - he was just rich. he had a lot of cool stuff but there's zero textual evidence to support the idea that he knew anything more about what he had than any other dark wizard. that's like saying the billionaire who owns ten bugattis is an expert in automotive engineering
It seems that Horcruxes functions similar to a Lich's Phylactery but work in different ways. I guess Vampirism and Lichdom was not good enough for Voldemort.
His goal was to never "die", lichdom (not really part of HP lore) requires you to die to become undead.Vampires are considered part of the living dead in HP lore, they also have serious disadavantages (sunlight, garlic, shunned), Voldy would never think that's good enough.
Just relised sectum sempara is a lot worst the Avada kadava Couse Avada kadava kills instantly but sectum sempara makes the person bleed to death slowly unless treated basically the worst way to go we have our 4th unforgivable curse Edit: sorry for bad spelling can I get 1 like my comment are so underrated and don’t know why I Evan bother
I wonder whether Snape would have attempted to create a Horcrux had he come across material explaining how to do it. Although it doesn't sit well with me to think he didn't know about them at all. I mean...there was a book in the library that mentioned Horcruxes. I would like to think Snape had access to more than what the library could legally stock.
Snape never knew. For all his "dark" acts, he was never more than a hurt, scared boy who loved Lily but lost her to one of his tormentors. Jealousy and resentment but NOT evil. People who aren't evil don't think in evil ways.
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How did Regulus Black know to ask Kreacher and therefore find out about them?
Why didn't Yoda...do anything?
so are you somehow related to Star Wars theory?
I think Snape and a few other Death Eaters were aware of the existence of Horcruxes (while no longer in the Hogwarts library, there were books on horcruxes published and therefore buyable, likely in a bookstore in knockturn alley) but they all were missing one crucial piece of information: what someone looked like if they created more than one. Voldemort is the only one who dared risking it and it was only after a few Horcruxes that it really started to alter him, physically. Voldemort was the only one who knew what it did to the body over time, if you kept creating them. So, while some Death Eaters might have otherwise considered him having one (we know Regulus Black was aware of at least one horcrux), they would have shelved the idea once they saw the transformations. It didn't fit the known effects of a horcrux and wouldn't be necessary if he actually had created a horcrux, so for many it was more logical to think that he found another way to build up his immortality. It was easier to think that he had done other experiments, as far as the world was aware (or more accurately, anyone with knowledge on the topic of horcruxes), horcruxes didn't alter one's physical appearance, so Voldemort must have been doing something else. It was also an illusion Voldemort actively sold going by his claim that his followers had seen the steps and measures he had taken to follow the path to immortality further to anyone else. From the way it was written (and before we, the reader knew what Horcruxes were), I assumed that he had done several different magical experiments over the years, from spells to potions, there was no hint that he used one single ritual a few times for each of his transformations and I think that was intentional. To create this grand illusion, this smoke and mirror act to hide the fact that his secret wasn't something new, no cutting edge dark magic but something that was already ancient.
And it worked! Even Dumbledore didn't start to piece together that Voldemort had created horcruxes until one of them ended up on his desk with a hole burnt through it and even than, he was unsure. Sure, he had enough circumstancial evidence to conclude that it was a horcrux, by what Harry had described to him and the way Harry had disposed of it but even then he had doubts (especially due to how it was used) it still took him two years and a rousing speech by the Dark Lord himself for him to be absolutely certain that Voldemort really had done the unthinkable. That he didn't use unknown obscure magical experiments that resulted in the "dangerous transformations" that turned the handsome Riddle into the sinister Voldemort but in fact used the darkest known invention to wizarding kind and cranked it up to eleven.
This is wonderful, but id say he cranked it up to a 7
@@alastorclark3492 Touché :)
i feel like the books used to be in the library at hogwarts... but tom took them with him
@@LycaonsMemories That would have been a possibility, if it wasn't for the confirmation that it was Dumbledore who removed them from the library.
And it wouldn't really matter that much as they all are published books, meaning they must have been purchasable somewhere (my guess, a bookstore in Knockturn Alley). I think Dumbledore's idea was that it was less likely for someone to go look for such books (inside Hogwarts, outside hogwarts) if they had never come across the term. It isn't a fullproof way but still the best preventional measure he could take untill the ministry of magic bans those books.
@@BjornV1994 yes, i made the comment before that was said in the video (shrugs) decided to leave it in lol
Well, I don't remember about book Snape but as we saw in one of the memories that Snape gave Harry when he was killed, Snape did know that a part of Voldemort's soul latched itself onto Harry and the only way for it to be destroyed was for Voldemort to kill Harry. So you could argue that Dumbledore maybe didn't tell Snape that Voldemort had multiple Horcruxes but he certainly knew that Harry was one of them.
The ring....Snape was treating how the ring effected Dumbledore. So between that and knowledge of the Harry link, likely he wouldnt have known 7
@@PS-DLMA True. So yeah, in my opinion, Snape knew that Voldemort had one or two horcruxes but he didn't know if he had more.
@@Jack_of_Hearts4 I don't think he knew the ring was a horcrux. Maybe he thought it only had a terrible curse that would be unleashed upon he who is foolish enough to wear the ring?
@@dimitrivasilaras6976 Exactly what I was going to say.
While there is truth in this, it could still be conjectured that Snape didn't actually know about horcruxes. He may certainly have had an understanding to some degree that part of voldermorts soul latched onto Harry, but that doesn't necessarily mean he understand what that meant or that it was an actual form of magic that had been practiced and had a name. More likely that it was just some fluke of magic, and not something intentionally done. This is given creedence by the fact that that's how Dumbledore explains it before he starts to realize that voldemort actually did create horcruxes. I believe that although Dumbledore, grasped that part of voldemorts soul had latched onto harry, didn't fully connect that to Harry being a horcrux until much later. It was an obscure bit of magic that he may have had knowledge about, but it was just in the back of his mind and the dots werent connecting. He might not even known about 'horcruxes', but even if he did, based on information we get, it's something that was incredibly rare for anyone to actually do. In fact, it could be safely assumed that nearly no one EVER had actually done it. It's so obscure that only very devout researchers (a researcher may be good like slughorn or bad like Tom, it doesnt matter) of the dark arts would ever come across the idea. Like less than 1% of wizards ever. And then, just as small or smaller of a fraction of them would even be willing to attempt it, and then even only a fraction of them ever actually doing it. It was so unpracticed that it was essentially only a concept/theory, and not much of one at that.
I don't remember the dialogue but Dumbledore actually basically says it himself in goblet of fire. He is using the pensieve to go over his memories because he feels there is some bit of crucial information he is missing, something significant that he is failing to realize. We the readers, at that time, think it's in regards to the tournament and possible return of Voldemort, and Dumbledore himself probably thinks so too. But while that can and is very much the case as well, it was also very likely the beginning of his brilliant mind recognizing that there were important details stored in his memory that had significance beyond his current realization. Then voldemort returns and all these things start adding up, and we the readers feel that perhaps what he had been missing were things like Moody actually being Barty Jr., and likewise Dumbledore probably did at first as well.
But again, while that very likely was part of it, it could still be true that there was more too it. And I believe over the course of the next school year, Dumbledore still had that nagging feeling that he was missing something, and that feeling hadn't lessened to any significant degree after things unfolded.
Which I then believe is one of the largest reasons he delved back into Voldemorts past before Half blood Prince started. Because think about it, he probably did this kind of research back when voldemort was originally in power. Hell, he obviously did a fair bit before ever even meeting Tom as a child. But now he has this feeling that there was something really big that he was just not putting together, and is going back over things to look at it all in a different light.
Going further than that: He's had this understanding that a 'part' of voldemort was passed to Harry when he was a baby. He knows that voldemorts soul possessed Quirril. He hears about what happened with the diary, and how Tom says in his own words that he preserved a 'part' of himself within it. He finds the ring, and grasps that it is something similar. He vocalizes that he has suspisions about what is going on here, and yet after all this, it's not until he actually hears the word Horcrux that it all comes together for him.
At the time of the true memory from Slughorn, Voldemort already murdered his father and made the first horcrux. In the memory he was in possession of the Gaunt ring and that was his first horcrux. Voldemort mostly wanted to find out from Slughorn if it was possible to make more than one horcrux.
Snape would later learn about Horcurexes. Remember he left the Sword of Grifindor in the Lake for Harry to get and use to destroy the Horcurexes.
Not sure he stuck around long enough to hear that. We don't know precisely when he left, but I suspect it was right after Ron pulled Harry out of the frozen lake. He knew Harry was safe and had the sword. No need to stick around and risk provoking them.
Pretty sure that Dumbledore just said hey make sure this gets to Harry and didn't say why
It took Dumbledore decades to figure it out. I think the only people who knew or suspected would have been Slughorn and Regulus. If Snape had known I imagine he would have told Dumbledore or done more to find and destroy them out of revenge for Lily.
If i were regulus i would tell the order about it
Regulous definitely knew. Maybe not the count, but he stole one and charged creature with destroying it
@@alastorclark3492 that begs the question... how did regulus know about horcruxes? Or slug horn for that matter? JKR made it clear that only one other wizard (the inventor of the horcux, Herbert the Fowl) besides our lovable Moldy Voldy was known to have successfully created one.
@@UltimateDurzan Are you so afraid to say the Dark Lord's name since you use the name "Moldy Voldy?
Note that it wouldn’t have ever been for revenge for the attempted murder of a child and the actual murder of the child’s father/Lily’s husband.
Tom already knew how to create horcruxes and had most likely already created one when he had spoken with Slughorn about them. He just wanted to know if you could create multiple horcruxes.
Actually, per the books, Tom Riddle had already made at TWO horcruxes when he asked Slughorn about them- he wanted Slughorn's opinion on whether splitting a soul into seven pieces would make it the most powerful. He'd already made the diary by killing Myrtle, and the ring after killing Morfin. It is mentioned that he was wearing the ring, in the memory. Several Death Eaters knew, or suspected about the horcruxes.
There's a fan theory I've seen floating around that says Dumbledore had actually meant to leave the information with Snape in the books he held in his office, knowing that he would likely be appointed Headmaster, except that Hermione pinched the books out of the office and took them with her on their adventure. Personally, I think that had he known about them, things may have turned out very differently. He would have easily figured out what the kids were up to, and may have been even more careful around his dark boss.
But I think he handn't known. The subject was so dark and little known that even Snape might not have known it.
I believe Snape knew at some point. I just don't think that he believed it to be real. Even if he did and done nothing to destroy them, still he did a lot more for the Wizarding world and the good guys. Without the help of Snape Voldemort wouldn't have fallen. He knew well that if he stood and fought Voldemort he would be revealed as his enemy, instead he fooled Voldemort to the end sacrificing himself willingly to save everybody. So yeah he knew just couldn't destroy them directly. That is why he bought time for Harry and his friends to do it. And if he could have shown his true aligns, be sure that he would fight the DE and kill them all.
Theories will always be out there, but for this one I think it is simple. JK thought about Horcruxes too late. When she figured out a way to keep Voldemort alive in her head she did not realize that it would be impossible for his followers to not know. So in my head, Snape always knew, he was just incapable of doing anything about it. There is no way, IF JK had thought of it from the beginning that she would not have wrote these things in, therefore I believe it was a late in the game Epiphany.
Interestingly Regulus somehow knew about Horcruxes, and understood the locket was one. It makes me wonder where he attained this knowledge when even Voldemort had trouble finding out about them.
Regulus learned about them because of Kreacher.
Kreacher told him about the cave with the locket. Knowing it was a secret that voldemort didn't want anyone knowing about it. Regulus was upset that voldemort nearly killed Kreacher and wasn't happy that he saw his families house elf as a lesser being. Kreacher was Regulus's friend when at home cause it was only Regulus, Kreacher and his mother there. Seeing as Sirius spent most of his holidays and time at the potters.
@@emmanorman8172 OK but that still doesn't explain how he could have known of them, when even Voldemort needed Slughorn to gain a better understanding of what Horcruxes are.
@@barbiquearea Regulus only knew about the locket and had wanted to leave the death eaters and voldemort after what he did with kreacher. And it was suspected by Regulus that the locket was a horacrux. As being from an original pure blood dark wizard family they of course had dark knowledge of forbidden spells and stuff. It is why Regulus told Kreacher to destroy the locket and he tried as Regulus didn't tell him it was a horacrux. It was his last dying wish off kreacher before he was drowned by the animated dead bodies in the water.
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So I got a few things wrong when I first posted this, like reeeally wrong. I’ve read the books at least 6 times now but still get things mixed up and forget. But I still think I’m generally I am right. So instead of editing the whole post I’ll just say what I got wrong: Snape and Tom did not go to school together. Snape got orders from Dumbledores painting to give Harry the sword. But one thing I’ll add is that in Chapter 33 of the Dealthly Hollows when Harry is seeing Snape a memories in the pensive we see a scene where Snape is arguing with Dumbledore on why he won’t share everything with him and is trusting other secrets to Harry when that’s dangerous because Harry’s mind is connected to Voldemort. Dumbledore responds (quote from memory so not word for word) “when the time comes and Voldemort no longer sends his snake out but keeps it close by it’ll be time to tell Harry the full truth.” “What is the full truth?” “That when lily sacrificed herself to protect him a piece of Voldemort’s soul broke off and entered the only other living thing in the room, harry. Voldemorts soul and Harry’s are one. Voldemort cannot die as long as Harry lives.” So I believe that with that key piece of information added to the fact that Harry would need Gryffindor sword at some point, the fact that Dumbledore had a ring that was Voldemorts which he tried to protect with a curse but Dumbledore destroyed with the sword, and that Voldemort was also trying to protect his snake, and the fact that Snape was a master in the dark arts and it wasn’t a secret Voldemort wanted to live forever and was successful at coming back to life plus the fact that Wormtail who lived with Snape as his servant was the one that casted the spell that brought Voldemort back to life and Snape most definitely would have gotten that information from him one way or another for Dumbledore, I believe Snape probably found out at some point in his career about horcruxes if not by having access to the banned book Magic Most Evil but through his own research, I think he had all the information he needed to put it all together himself. *end edit*
Incorrect:
Firstly: Voldemort never told Snape about making horcruxes. But at some point Snape found out. But Snape either knew about there existence already or that information was available to him either when he was a student or after he became a professor. Let me explain.
We know that Voldemort didn’t tell Snape about the horcruxes after the Gringots break-in. When Harry connected to Voldemort‘s mine he listened to Voldemort‘s thoughts and one of those thoughts was a question he asked himself on whether or not he should tell Snape. And he decided not to because he learned he couldn’t trust anyone because of Bellatrix and Malfoy‘s failures. Secondly, Tom Riddle clearly already knew what horcruxes were before he spoke to Slughorn, because the book “magic most evil“ was still in the library at that time and was only removed when Dumbledore became headmaster and removed them because of Tom Riddle. The only reason why Tom spoke to Slughorn was to get the information on whether one could split their soul into seven pieces instead of two. Finally, I believe Snape at least had the knowledge of what horcruxes are because as a Slytherin who devoted his life to mastering the dark arts he most definitely would’ve read ‘magic most evil’ if it was available to him. If the book was available to Tom then it was available to Snape because they were going to school at the same time. Or he would’ve learned it from some other source. I think this is proven by the fact that Snape went out of his way to give Gryffindor sword to Harry during the deathly hallows book because he knew the sword with aid him and destroying horcruxes. Why in the world would Snape do that if he didn’t know about horcruxes? It makes no sense. He had to have known. And since we know Voldemort didn’t tell him, we have to assume Snape learned about it himself.
Even if ‘Magic most evil’ wasn’t available when he was a student, he most definitely would have learned about it when he became a teacher and had access to all band books. Snape, lover of the dark arts, would have definitely taken advantage of his position to read these band books on dark magic. This is my belief.
"because they were going to school at the same time"
Nope, they attended Hogwarts like 30 years apart. Snape wasn't even born yet when Riddle was at Hogwarts.
Also incorrect was him saying Tom Riddle was abandoned by his mother at an orphanage. His mother died after giving birth to him. His father abandoned Merope when she was pregnant. His mother dying was a major motivator for Voldemort's efforts to escape death.
He acted on Dumbledore's orders. He didn't know why Harry would need the sword.
Wait, what? Snape went to Hogwarts mamy years later. Voldemort was about 50 years older
@@emankcin1701 No, but I bet to hung around to see what how Harry would use the sword.
This video got a few things wrong:
Voldemort trusted Snape?? Voldemort doesn't trust. To him, other people are just disposable tools.
Snape was a master occlumence. We don't actually know how good he was at legilimency, being able to extract information at will from children who don't know how to defend themselves is hardly an accomplishment.
Dumbledore believed Voldemort already knew about horcruxes and how to make them when he went to talk to Slughorn and was only interested in an opinion on what would happen if a person made multiple horcruxes because as far as anyone knows it had never been done before.
Even if Snape had realized Voldemort was likely to use this type of magic to attain immortality, it's unlikely he would've guessed Voldemort made more than one horcrux because nobody had done it before. Snape also wouldn't have had access to all the knowledge and memories Dumbledore was able to obtain in order to ascertain the exact number of horcruxes and what they might be. Many of the people from which Dumbledore got memories were long gone by Voldemort's second rise to power, and for most people the events that allowed Voldemort to come back would've been the first indicator that he had at least one horcrux.
I wonder how Regulus Black found out about the horcruxes'
Voldemort's comments in the grave yard indicate that some death eaters knew he had taken steps to prevent death, presumably by creating a horcrux, but Regulus Black's comment indicate he was not in the inner circle and found out himself.
Which raises the question as to why Regulus Black was bothered by the creation of horcruxes? He was a supporter of Voldemort, was it a step too far for him to support?
Regulus probably switched side for other reasons. Voldemort either didn't know he knew anything about the horcruxes or knew and was too busy to check on them.
Regulus might have just been a dark arts nerd and had read the books at some point
He found out from Kreacher. Voldemort borrowed Kreature to help him plant that horcrux in the cave, then left Kreature to die. Kreature, of course, used his own magic to get back to Regulus. That's how Regulus knew about the horcrux and where it was. He turned against Voldemort because he left Kreature to die in the cave.
I would love a video about how Regulus came to understand that locket was a horcrux and where to find it. He must have been amazing at legimency also to hide his knowledge from Voldemort.
It is debatable if Regulus knew exactly what it was. It sounded like he expected Kreachur to be able to destroy it easily enough.
@@abbyb3431 he specifically mentions the word, Horcrux in his little note he left Voldemort.
I would love a video on that topic as well
He didn't know until kreacher came back. Regalus went to the cave and never came back
I think I did know of Snape's ignorance of horcruxes, if only on an intuitive level. I mean it seemed to make sense that Voldemort would have kept this his deepest secret.
Until the next time, remember: it does not do-
McGonagall: "... to dwell on dreams and blah blah blah, yes we know"
Dumbledore: *offended muttering*
My opinion all along has been that Snape figured out the horcrux thing. The man knew more curses in first year than any of the seventh years. He was so fascinated by the dark arts from such a young age. I would not be surprised if Snape actually had a copy of the book at his place. JK describes his place as having many shelves of old leather bound books.
I don't think the Hogwarts Library was the only place you could find a copy of it either, that is before Dumbledore removed it. I don't think it was a common book, but I bet you could get a copy of it at Borgin & Burks or some other Dark Arts store in Knockturn Alley.
Dumbledore basically told him that Harry was a horcrux. Also Snape was there just after Dumbledore destroyed the ring. He asked why Dumbledore put it on, given the it had a very powerful curse attached to it. It took extraordinary action on Snapes part to keep Dumbledore alive. Dumbledore also told Snape to look out for a time when Voldermort would fear for the life of his snake, and keep her under magical protection.
Now Snape is not stupid, just from those conversations with Dumbledore alone he could have figure out there were at least 3 hocruxes. Then, I'm sure there was a discussion about the diary after Chamber. If not, Snape sure as hell saw Voldermort's reaction upon learning that the diary was destroyed. So now he knows about 4 horcruxes. And if Snape knew anything, not just about Voldermort, but about magic in general, and how 7 is a very powerful magical number...I'm sure he would have figured it out. And whatever questions he had I'm sure Phineas Nygellus filled him on everything at Grimmuld Place when he was there. We all know from the memmories Snape gave Harry, Snape went to Grimmuald Place after the 7 Potters event. This is where he finds Lily's letter. I have read several fans saying he goes there to get the letter, which is just dumb. He goes there, because he knows about the jinx, and goes to get his tongue tied, so he can't reveal the location of the Order to Voldermort. With Dumbledore dead, he is now a secret keeper. Even in the book, Ron asks if they think Snape had been by to have his tongue tied, and Hermione answers yes, otherwise he'd be able to tell the deatheaters how to get in. I think when he was there, Phineas told him all about Harry and Dumbledore's conversations, and what they thought the horcruxes were. He also could have added that he saw Kreature trying, and failing to destroy a locket. Which causes Snape to ransacked the place seeing if he can find it. This is when he stumbles on Lily's letter. And he doesn't just take the letter because it has Lily's name on it. He takes the last page because it reveals the connection between Dumbledore & Grindelwald. The reason I think it was him, and not Mundugus that trashes the place is that Mundugus would be too afraid to go back to Grimmuald Place after the events of the 7 Potters. He would be too afraid of running into anyone from the Order.
Also, Regulus's bedroom door was locked. Mundugus would not have thought to relock the door. However Snape would have.
But knowing about the horcruxes and doing anything about them are 2 different things. Voldermort told noone anything about his horcruxes. Best they could do was to sit back, and to wait for a clue as to where they might be, and investigate when they could. If Voldermort had been smarter about it, and hid them in random places, I doubt anyone would have found the all
VIDEO IDEA: What if Voldemort used the Time Turner and why didn’t he know about it? If he knew about it, he could’ve gone back in time to his younger self and raised himself and would’ve had even more advanced magical abilities.
You can't really interact with yourself using a Timeturner. You risk terrible consequences. Furthermore, if he had done that, it would have already happened. There would be no timeline in which he hadn't been raised by himself (see in prisoner of Askaban). His younger self then would have to go back too, and raise himself again, so it wouldn't be of much use, wasting years. They also don't just give the kids in an orphanage out to just anyone coming to the doors.
Slughorn only told Voldemort about splitting his soul into 7. Dumbledore was certain that he already had the knowledge to create horcruxes before that point. So Voldemort didn’t learn about them from slughorn. That’s simply not true. His specific question was what happens when splitting the soul into 7 indicating he already knew everything else or he would have started with the basics before escalating to such a serious question lol. I have a hard time believing someone like snape who also delved into dark magic couldn’t find the knowledge a lot easier than the trio who don’t touch dark magic all that much and certainly don’t have any kind of extensive knowledge into it like snape or Voldemort. It even states the existence of horcruxes on “herpo the fouls” chocolate frog card. Yeah the trio might have trouble finding information , but snape is someone who surrounded himself with dark wizard and became a death eater. I feel like dark knowledge is a lot easier to access for him than Harry , Ron , and hermoine inside of hogwarts and limited to hogwarts reading material instead of the entirety of the wizarding world including knockturn alley which seems to have a lot of dark artifacts and such. If nobody down there know about a horcrux I would be thoroughly surprised. Again it’s literally written that herpo the foul created one on his chocolate frog card. The knowledge that Voldemort really wanted to keep hidden was the fact that he made 7. Something no one else had done and no one would even consider. Slughorn who he asked the question and believed to be the most knowledgeable in the subject to give him the answer even looked appalled. The very thought was beyond anyone to ever think up unless you’re the darkest wizard of all times completely void of love and remorse that is lol.
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We don't know how many other copies of those books are floating around. It would be rather scary if the last copies of rare books were stored in a high school with not so great security.
Tom Riddle already knew about Horcruxes when he approached Slughorn. He had already killed his own father and grandparents, and maybe even made his first Horcrux. He only wanted to learn from Slughorn about what would happen if someone split their soul more than once and made six Horcruxes.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Voldemort knew Snape wasn’t loyal but even his most loyal had no idea about the Horcruxes.
I'd like to propose a question.
What would have happened if more then one of Voldemorts Horcruxes gained a new body?
Would the two Voldemorts fight each other for power? Two separate Voldemorts, each having their own minds. Each thinking that they are the "one" and "only" Voldemort.
I think this channel or a similar channel mentioned it
I bet it would be a Highlander situation. Simply fight until the "Strongest" is left. After all, using one to be revived clearly doesnt remove the Horcrux because Nagini was still one of them after The Graveyard incident.
Snape may have know what they were, but thought they were too horrible that he never thought Voldemort would dare try them.
A single timeline jumping movie from Tom riddle's point of view that shows him becoming a dark wizard from the moment he meets Dumbledore to the moment he kills Harry's parents could be really good and informative possibly depicting him as a tragic villain
Video idea for you to do:
What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
"Haven't it crossed your brilliant mind that if I figured that out, I would've been in Ravenclaw." - Snape
Regulus Black might have had a clue, but was the first to die experiencing the effects of finding it. Dumbledore was the second... but with a whole plan figured out.
Here’s my question, was Professor MgGonagle a part of the order? And if not, why not? I could totally see her helping the Gryffindor’s get set up in The Room Of Requirement and helping them find ways to stay safe from Snape and The Carrows. It’s totally possible that she was helping them all along.
I only replied so I'd get alerted back if someone does answer your question. To me it was never clear if she was part of the Order. I think yes she must have been because she visited the headquarters.
7 months late, but from what I could find by researching she was not a part of the Order during the First Wizarding War because the Ministry of Magic had recruited her to spy on Voldemort and his followers (remember she is an Animagus being able to transform into a cat). However, she did become a part of the Order at some point in the books/movies, probably Philosopher's Stone as I'm sure Dumbledore was keeping Minerva well informed of Harry's importance to help keep him safe.
I wouldn't put it past the ol boy, Severus.
He was a very smart man and I imagine he believed that Voldermort had made One Horcrux... There were said to have been several witch and wizards during the first war who gave Voldermort great duels but just couldn't kill him. At some point, this would had to have gotten ol Severus thinking.
He was the male version of Hermione when it came to studying and learning new things.
Dude reinvented the standard potions guide book and developed his own spells that became Very important to the golden trio decades later.
So yeah, Snape knew Voldermort must've created a Horcrux, but I seriously doubt he knew Voldermort made more than one.
As I understand it, having a horcrux doesn't make him unbeatable in a duel, he just remains tied to the physical world if his body dies. They couldn't beat him because he's just that good.
Tom learned about them after looking around the restricted section in the library, where he found a copy of The Secrets of the Darkest Art. Dumbledore retrieved the book when he found that Tom had found it, but it was too late.
Tom had already murdered Myrtle and his grandparents by the time he questioned Slughorn. Tom was wearing the ring when that occurred. He would have been sixteen, turning seventeen on January first.
Slughorn, who had a weakness for the knowledgeable and those that buttered him up, told Tom of what Tom already knew. All Tom wanted to know was what was the maximum number that one could create.
The book was the same one that Hermione summoned on the way to Dumbledore's funeral.
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My issue is, Voldy states in GOF, page 648 while talking to his DE's, "They, who KNEW the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death".
Snape knew everything else about dark magic and there will always be subjects not everyone can master unless they are given instruction.
But i think Bellatrix may have known part of voldemorts soul resided in the goblet...her terror at believing hermione had been inside her vault can only be explained by her thinking they had gotten the goblet, too..as harry explains, himself.
But that fear was of making a mistake and angering Voldermort, not necessarily because she knew about the horcruxes.
My question is if Snape thought Voldemort was going to kill him why go during the battle to see him. Why not run and see if maybe harry and the gang could win and then ask for forgiveness after the final battle
Because if he didn't show up Harry couldn't defeat Voldemort, he knew he needed to keep up the act even if it meant his death. If Snape didn't show Voldemort would get suspicious & might of even left the battle to protect himself, Voldemort only attacked Hogwarts because he believed he was the master of the Elder Wand & unbeatable at that point. If he knew the truth he wouldn't risk his life to attack Harry again.
Also remember Snape had a death wish, he wanted to die. It was only because of Dumbledore he didn't kill himself, he gave him a new purpose "protect Harry from Voldemort." He followed Dumbledore's plan & did want was needed to help bring down Voldemort.
At the end he went to Voldemort knowing he'd die which he was fine with, because he no longer needed to protect Harry from Voldemort. He (like Dumbledore) knew Harry would win & so he could finally die & be reunited with Lilly (like he wanted).
If he doesn’t show up Voldemort would not only search for him, but he might find out that Draco was the one who disarmed dumbledore and come to kill Draco. Snake had made the unbreakable vow to protect Draco.
My doubt is, how Regulus Black knew about Horcruxes? He knew about them because he talked about them in the false locket, but he could not have learnt about them at Hogwarts, as Dumbledore had taken the books from there
" How could they have believed me truly gone those who knew the steps I took to insure my immortality."
He knew Voldemort had horcruxes, but no idea where they were, and if he went looking, Voldemort would know 😂
This was an intriguing video
If snape was the half blood prince and Voldemort hates half blood and muggles. Makes no sense to me ?
sighs 5 years and still no voice change
It’s very clear that Dumbledore shared, and discussed this information with him, and with the ego Voldemort had about his immortality, he most likely bragged about it. Harry was able to find them because he was connected to.Them.
Why would Voldemort tell his followers? Because it required such a convoluted and precise spell to use a horcrux to come back. If it were just "bestowing immortality," then it would make sense to keep it secret from everyone. But when it involves being almost completely powerless until someone does specific things and says specific words to bring you back, then it would make sense to tell all of them something, even if each one only got a disguised or misleading piece of the truth and none of them were permitted to talk to the others about it.
I think Snape knew and Voldemort knew he did. It would explain why Voldemort “trusted” Snape above all others and kept him so close. Voldemort surely knew that if Severus could keep *that* secret he was probably a devotee. Voldemort would have been incapable of trusting someone else, so there must have been a more objective reason why he “favored” Severus over his other Death Eaters.
I am more concerned about how Horace Slughorn knows about horcruxes.
from the same book that Tom read lol. Tom wanted to know if you could do it more than once and played dumb to get some information out of Slughorn.
Books would have been available in the library when he was a student.
It took Dumbledore how many years to find out Tom made them in the first place?
Harry's telepathic link to Tom is probably why he knew to use the basilisk fang to destroy the diary. Don't think Bellatrix lestrange knew what she was holding in her
vault. Dumbledore knew Tom Riddle the longest. Hr put the few clues he had together.
What truly make horcruxes evil is that the dark ritual works best when you murder someone who is closest to you or you truly hate.
Probably because Voldemort didn’t tell anyone about the Objects and what were they for and the powers they have in them
i always just assumed it was a simple matter of neither dumbledore nor voldemort having the "irresponsible" position to discuss horcruxes...dumbledore only speaks of them to HARRY because HARRY MUST be told. Snape, on the other hand, never NEEDED to know the specifics of voldemort's horcruxes, or i think, he might, have tried to kill nagini himself (and reveal his double-agency) to voldemort and die...earlier.
He's basically just a twisted serial killer with powers
Being aware doesn't mean you can do anything about it. Snape had a lot on his plate. He was spying on the Death Eaters. He was being a complete double-agent. And I would suspect that his nosing around for horcruxes would cause him to expose himself.
He didn’t destroy the hor crux because who ever destroys it, gets seen by Voldemort for a small moment.
If someone on voldys side found out snaps was hunting down horcrux it would have destroyed his alias
I think it more likely that Snape wasn’t trusted with the information by either side because of his proximity to the other side. You don’t send your double agent into enemy territory with ALL the information. Just enough to carry out orders.
Find I hard to believe Snape didn't know about horocroxes
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It was like finding lost media that was banned for various reasons. Even the most adept scholars can't learn anything if the materials aren't available. Think of the Vatican Archives and that while the have great knowledge, not many people are given access and those who can may not like what they could find in the labyrinthian library.
Can you make a video on how slughorn knew so much about horcruxes that he gave tons of info to Tom riddle?
I was wondering... Since Tom Riddle was an orphan, where did he go during the holidays, or when the school was closed during summer ???
As common as love potions are you would think quite a few babies would get made because of them so shouldn't there be tons of evil wizards running around
hhahhahahaha...oh, let's not discuss polyjuice potion now. I wonder how many ugly perverted people steal some guy's comb to get a hair out of it and then pretend to be the husband looking for some mid-afternoon activity time with the wife.
Please make a video of " Grindelwald background "(family, school, siblings,ect)
Seems fairly obvious that he wouldn't have made anyone aware of the horcruxes, since that knowledge could have led to someone having power over him.
I just don't get how Slug know about them, but Snape had no clue about them
Wonder why they didn't use the time tuner thing to go back to before the books were removed. Can it not go back that far?
How did regulas black learn about horcruxes? That is what I want to know.
I believe that in a moment hubris Voldemort said something in front of blacks house elf. I forgot his name. Voldemort assumed that the elf would die in his trap when setting the elf to the task of drinking the evil potion set inside the cave. And of course Regulas Black had ordered him to return. So when he returns, the elf told Regulas about the horcruxes. And thus that’s how he figured out what it was.
Voldemort didn't want anyone knowing about his horcruxes. I don't think Snape or any of the death Eaters knew about the . I think there was a book in the Hogwarts library that gave Tom Riddle the knowledge to do them.
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What always annoyed me: Merope married Tom Riddle and had a son with him who actually bore the Riddle surname. Love potion or no, for a wealthy person or even aristocrat in pre-ww2 England to just dump his wife and leave his trueborn son behind would not only be utterly unthinkable, Tom would've found his way to his family almost instantly. Riddle Sr. might have not wanted these relations, but pre-war society in England being what it was and with the Riddles likely being nobles, either the orphanage, or the (wizarding) state would've found his family.
I never thought of that
How did Sirius's brother find out about the Horcruxes?
Creature, his elf, was used by Voldemort to test this potion at the very same cave that Harry and Dumbledore visited. Regulus ordered Creature to takie him there.
What I have never understood is how Peter Pettigrew understood what to do in order to use a horcrux to bring Voldemort back. Someone had to have known. If it was Le Strange, why did she not perform the rite herself? Why would Voldemort trust a traitor and former tormentor with such information that he would not entrust to his most faithful servants?
Voldemort would have talked him through it. Probably wouldn't have mentioned horcruxes, just shown him how to make the potion and what to do in the graveyard. Also at that point he didn't know how many of his former followers were still onboard, many had fled and hid and never went to look for him. He had little choice but to entrust Peter.
Peter found him, similar to how Quirrel stumbled upon him.
Being a Horcrux isn't the reason they used Harry to bring Voldemort back, they needed the blood of an enemy to add in the potion, any enemy would have done I believe but Voldemort insisted on it being Harry Potter, and as to why Bellatrix didn't do it, it was because she was locked up in Azkaban.
Would dumbledore nit have told snape at any point about the horcruxes?
I would love a series of tom riddle slowly becoming voldemort. The series would start when dumbledore brings him to hogwarts and end when he kills the potter's
I think he proberbally did.. but agreed his role was to stay close and loyal to both Dumbledore and Voldemort so to pull at this string would have caused to much attention to him..
Just my thoughts..
BECAUSE SNAPE WASN’T THE CHOSEN ONE FORESEEN FROM THE PROPHECY!
Was it ever stated how a horcrux was actually made. I know it involved murder, a spell and something that made jk Rowling editor vomit. Always thought it was cannibal of the murdered victim, or necrophilia.
murder caused damage to the soul, so he used magic to take a piece of his soul and bind it to an object. Or a living thing (like the snake). He accidently made Harry into one, when he killed Harry's parents.
he, essentually mutulated his soul. and it caused his physical form to change as well.
as best I remember it being explained. No cannibalism or necropilia was involved
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You could be right
Maybe...maybe, voldy had to possess the dead body, or control it like an inferi or whatever, and make that dead body eat a piece of him?
Maybe that's what happened to his nose. It got used to feed his horcrux.
Yea voice is more quiet did you make this in middle night lol
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Then that means only a few people new how Nicolas Flamel Possibly Molly Weasley and belatrix black and Salazar slythern
Why did Dobby did not ask for a job with the Weasley?
Hmm. I doubt that Snape didn't know about houcroxes.
i don't think lucius malfoy was an expert in magical objects - or an expert in anything - he was just rich. he had a lot of cool stuff but there's zero textual evidence to support the idea that he knew anything more about what he had than any other dark wizard. that's like saying the billionaire who owns ten bugattis is an expert in automotive engineering
Can we get a list of how many people where confirmed to have phoenixes
RAB literally found out. I’m sure a Wizard as good as Snape could’ve figured it out when a teenage wizard found it.
He found out because kreacher told him
It seems that Horcruxes functions similar to a Lich's Phylactery but work in different ways. I guess Vampirism and Lichdom was not good enough for Voldemort.
His goal was to never "die", lichdom (not really part of HP lore) requires you to die to become undead.Vampires are considered part of the living dead in HP lore, they also have serious disadavantages (sunlight, garlic, shunned), Voldy would never think that's good enough.
Just relised sectum sempara is a lot worst the Avada kadava Couse Avada kadava kills instantly but sectum sempara makes the person bleed to death slowly unless treated basically the worst way to go we have our 4th unforgivable curse
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I wonder whether Snape would have attempted to create a Horcrux had he come across material explaining how to do it. Although it doesn't sit well with me to think he didn't know about them at all. I mean...there was a book in the library that mentioned Horcruxes. I would like to think Snape had access to more than what the library could legally stock.
Snape never knew. For all his "dark" acts, he was never more than a hurt, scared boy who loved Lily but lost her to one of his tormentors. Jealousy and resentment but NOT evil. People who aren't evil don't think in evil ways.
why didn't Voldemort even tell him about the horcruxes, or at least mention it in some way.
If snape didn't figure out about the horcruxes then how did regulas black?
Christian Coulson was such a better Riddle than Frank Dillane
Then how did REB know about them?
What’s with the “haggord” merch?
If you think about it would Tom Riddle Jr be considered a grape baby cause his mother basically drugged his father for years
how did RB figure out what he was doing making an horcrux????
Kreacher told him.
He knew