Sounds like a plausible theroy. Which would explain why "Slugworth" was waiting for Charlie in the alley. How did he know that Charlie was going to go through there?
Yeah, I think he planted the coin for Charlie to find. I always assumed the kids were handpicked, and Wilkinsson planted their golden tickets. The rooms were specific traps for each kid. The contest was rigged so Charlie would win. I mean 5 white kids, roughly the same age, each find a golden ticket. Come on.
Another thing, when they are in the television room and the kid is about to transport himself Willy Wonka says very very unenthusiasticly, “stop, come back...”
Yooo I’ve quoted that like my whole life when I wanna unenthusiastically tell someone to come back not even thinking about what it’s from lmao! It’s so sarcastic
I know im waay late but, the way he reacts to the kids breaking the rules and getting taken away is very odd too. Instead of genuinely being shocked (Like a normal human would) he reacts with no emotion. Why? Because he knew it would happen.
@@brutalblizz because of the way he looks at kids and captivates them, furthermore there's a particularly large comment somewhere on here in the comments section i wrote out like 8 months to a year ago listing about 11 or 12 reasons on why wonka is a pedophile using a psychological analysis breakdown and breaking down the red flag giveaways in the movie that point towards this, but i can no longer seem to find the comment as new comments seem to be added regularly. i'm hoping it's not washed away entirely
@@taburzblism3287 Well...back then it wasn't always really seen as pedophilic for older people to hug or be awfully nice to children. If that was the case, then the candy shop worker would've been seen as a pedophile as well.
o_o that implies that charlie's mother was either unfaithful to her husband, raped by wonka, or worked as a prostituted and wound up pregnant before she married her husband in the movie. personally i think it's the final one because her family is really poor. both of her parents worked themselves to the point of barely being about to get out of bed or not at all. before charlie's dad came around, she was probably supporting them in this manner for most of her adult life, possibly getting pregnant from a client. assuming her husband knew her and was good friends and equally as poor, he married her out of a sense of duty and friendship so she wouldn't be alone raising a child and taking care of her parents. if she was a prostitute, this means that could be the biological father of the charlie and monitored how she would raise him. not always but often the poorer people are the most generous and humble as they know what it's like to have nothing and doors slammed in their faces. charlie growing up in such an environment could /possibly/ ensure that charlie doesn't turn out like the other bratty children. other children, i point out, were often really well off. a billionaire, butcher shop owners back then weren't exactly rich but they were in need for nothing. the TV kid's father was a college educated engineer of some sort, so he had money coming in. the bubble gum girl, (correct me if i'm wrong) was just made famous by her record setting. this fame went to her head and her parents doted on her when she flashed the "i'm famous" card. These could all be traits undesirous in an heir. so he monitored the prostitute he knocked up and devised a series of elaborate schemes just to ensure he's one of the chosen to "inherit" what he would have been given had he been born under normal circumstances... the rape theory applies to this aswell but i feel being a prostitute would be far less of a terrifying thing to endure mentally than a rape, as rape is a violation against your will and prostitution is willingly submitting yourself to perform sexual acts for money... sorry this is long, but this really got my theorizing juices flowing
Willy Wonka is not a rapist and I don't think he's the type of guy to rent a prostitute either. I think it makes more sense if they had a relationship before Mrs Bucket as married but it ended because Charlie's Mum didn't love Wonka, this fits the bill quite well. Willy Wonka has a girlfriend and loves her passionately, the girlfriend comes to the realisation that she doesn't feel the same way when she falls for another man called Mr Bucket. She tells Willy Wonka she loves somebody else and they have to part, this shatters Wonka and prompts him to throw himself into his work, shunning other people and ultimately becoming a recluse never leaving his factory and only having contact with his assistant and his workforce of Pygmies he finds much more agreeable than Western people. Meanwhile the woman discovers she is pregnant, her new boyfriend knows this is Wonka's child but still loves this woman regardless so they get married, Mrs Bucket has the child, they call him Charlie and Mr Bucket raises the boy as his own. Hope that made sense, this theorising is tiring and it's 2am here.
I was thinking Charlie was his son too. People had pre-marital sex all the time. A lot of women were/are ashamed of unplanned pregnancies, so she married the first guy who would take her before she couldn't hide it. I would wonder why Wonka didn't take care of her and the baby considering his wealth, but they don't explain much of his early life. Maybe she didn't tell him or maybe he wasn't free to choose because of his own family. I still think it's super plausible that Charlie is actually his own child.
I always thought Wonka was a time traveler. Charlie is Wonka as a kid and all the children he invites to the factory were people who hurt him as an adult, so he time traveled back in time to get his revenge and teach them a lesson lol 😂
That's my theory...just like biff in back to the future, wonka gave himself the factory..coincidently biff..wonka look like trump..and charlie looks like a young Donald Trump..this is story about donald trump
That actually makes sense, Wonka travelling back in time to give his factory to a younger version of himself would ensure that Wonka would keep his business going for as long as he wanted.
I'm thinking what toxicnolos thinking so he's giving the factory to his younger self and Willy wonka from the tim Burton 2005 remake is Charlie from original Charlie and the chocolate factory and the Charlie from the tim Burton 2005 remake is a one from the future we haven't seen yet
What if Wonka is Charlie’s secretly estranged father who in fact didn’t die Charlie’s mother just told him that to keep him from looking for Wonka who didn’t want to be known as the father but wanted Charlie to inherit the factory and the work. He also didn’t think he could just give the factory to Charlie as it would raise too much suspicion as to why him.
Rosiejo ! You would think wonka is too old to be Charlie’s father considering grandpa joe used to work for him, the factory must have been going on for decades.
I'll take willy wonka's words to my grave: "If you want to view paradise, simply look around, and view it. Anything you want to, do it. Want to change the world? There's nothing to it." Words to live by.
I’m surprised that Grandpa Joe wasn’t brought up. Let’s not forget he used to work there years before and Wonka found out about his hard times and that also helped make the decision easier
Grandpa Joe was lying in both versions of the story. He has never worked a day in his life . In fact, the remake makes it clear that Wonka has never met him throughout his entire career as a chocolate producer because the Oompa Loompas did all of the work.
@@Mikewee777 ?? Joe did work there in the remake. WIlly just doesnt recognize him because he never cared about his workers. He shut all of them out because he assumed they were spies. Wonka never got the Oompa Loompas until AFTER he had fired them all. In fact, we even SEE him working there
@@Mikewee777 In the retelling it's clear that Wonka DID have employees that included Joe BEFORE he found the Oompa Loompas, but due to espionage he laid off everyone and closed the factory for a bit. Later he found the Oompa Loompas and made a deal with them, they moved in to the factory, and production recommenced.
I found this subject interesting as i too was obsessed with willy wonka's motivation and true plan. The answer to this question was very intriguing and sinister. In 1988, 2 years before Roald Dahl passed away, he conducted an interview with the LBC media in Wales UK. He was asked numerous questions, one which included what Willy Wonka's plan truly was. Roald Dahl said that Willy Wonka was symbolic of himself at the time, as he was depressed after his daughter Tessa was born in 1957 because he originally wanted a son. For 7 years he carried the burden of this and then wrote and released Charlie and the chocolate factory in 1964. Roald Dahl wanted his first child to be a son to carry on his legacy, but he was unable to achieve that and blamed himself. Willy Wonka's true plan was to have his legacy carried on by the son he never had. hence Willy Wonka was Roald Dahl and Charlie was the son he never had. Roald Dahl said he even became obssessed with the number 7 because thats how many years he stayed in a state of depression. He created the name Charlie because it has seven letters in it. He even said the original story was supposed to have 7 golden tickets, not 5. The everlasting gobstopper was supposed to have seven flavors and the original movie paid omage to this by showing a gobstopper with 7 different colors. Roald Dahl also said there were supposed to be 77 oompa loompas and 7 members of Charlies family. Because he was depressed, Roald Dahl mentioned he wanted death as a theme in the book which is why he mentioned the death of Charlie's father in the book as well as the details of what creatures prey on oompa loompas. Roald Dahl even wanted the death of willy wonka to take place, however he restrained himself and committed to writing a book people of all ages could read. Roald Dahl's depression is the reason why certain aspects of the book are sinister, especially when it comes to the punishment children received for disobeying Willy Wonka. Roald Dahl was also obsessed with chocolate which is why chocolate is the ultimate candy in the book and movie. There you guys have it. Hope this was informative and glad I wasn't the only one with interest in this subject.
I know that was a surprise to me when I heard about that. Quite sad really that a certain popular like Ronald Dahl would be upset about not having a son.
Everyone's saying he's shallow. But many parents even today face gender disappointment. It doesn't mean they don't love their actual baby but they build up ideas of what this or that will be like with the child. Gender roles were more serious in roalds day than it is today. Boys were to take after dad. He probably didn't think he could raise his daughter to follow in his footsteps. Ideas like that were probably unfathomable. Even today when the notion that the sexes are "equal" and "gender is a social construct" is heavily pushed everywhere by everyone... Mothers and fathers still deal with gender disappointment even to crying and depression. It's a mental and emotional attachment you create to that particular dream child. Putting bows and dresses on your daughter or decorating the room with Dinos for your son. Or having the "perfect" 1 boy a s 1 girl family and not getting it. Whatever reason people have gender preferences, many many reasons from something as seemingly superficial to the type of clothes you buy all the way to wanting a child that is the same sex as yourself, can pass on your family name, carry your legacy, like the same things as you etc. It becomes deeply emotional. Women nowadays experience it more than men because we can see the baby's sex as early as 10 weeks through a blood draw and as late as 20 weeks with an ultrasound. We carried that child in our womb And in that time of carrying and hoping and dreaming and even imagining what our child will be like. It doesn't mean we don't like how they turn out. Just a little piece of that idea dies and so some of us (not me but I've known some) feel sad for the outcome. It's okay. And men back then certainly would not receive mental health assistance or psychiatric services. Shoot my granddad was much younger than Roald Dahl. He died in 2015. Suicide. Why? Because he grew up during a time when receiving psychiatric services was at minimum taboo. Had Mr Dahl gotten counseling or understood that he could still be fulfilled in a daughter he maybe would have never even written the beloved children's story we all love. Who knows? But maybe this story was therapeutic for him. And he expressed his sadness through writing. He probably adored his daughter. He saw his daughter in the character Miss Honey from Matilda. So obviously he loved her. It doesn't make the depression go away. Many artists draw from their pain. It's important that he worked through his feelings and was told enough to come out and discuss it. He shared his pain out loud. It seems shallow. But to many of us the reason other people are depressed seems "silly" and "insignificant" but depression is real pain that doesn't discriminate about how "insignificant" your hurt is. It still hurts. I appreciate his bravery and ability to draw from that.
Lexi the Lexiconist He wanted a legacy! A girl doesn't give you a legacy because she doesn't carry on your name! It might seem silly but that's how patriarchal societies work!
Close ... but not quite. You see the reason Wonka knew what had happened was because it had already happened! Charlie IS Wonka. The Great Glass Elevator is a time machine that allows him to go back in time to his childhood and re-recruit himself! He is his own successor! Thus, the loop is a never ending ouroboros, protecting his legacy for eternity.
The problem with that theory would be that the chocolate factory would only exist in a causal time loop, never existing past the point where wonka goes back to recruit himself, or would stop existing in the past, only coming in to existence when charlie comes forward to claim ownership.
Adding on to this, I think it is pretty evident that "Slugworth" was indeed following and observing the chosen kids. When he meets Charlie in the tunnel after he finds the ticket, "Slugworth" shows him the money he would give him if he were to get him a gobstopper. Then he says, "Think it over, will you? A new home for your family. And good food and comfort for the rest of their lives," which proves that he knows Charlie comes from a poor background. So yep, definitely right on that.
Seth Allen did you completely miss the point in this comment? Lol hey said they should do a movie where CHARLIE IS RUNNING THE FACTORY. not a remake of the original movie lol
Gonk There's actually a Sequel in the Books called "Charlie & The Great Glass Elevator" where that's Exactly what happens, So that would be Pretty Sweet to see that on Screen. They go off into Space and fight off Aliens in that Book, No Joke LoL
I was just thinking- this came into my head when the Theorizer was talking about how the rooms catered towards each child’s wants. These children (and Wonka) can represent the seven deadly sins. Augustus is obviously Gluttony, his love for food proves that. Verruca can easily represent Greed. Mike would represent Sloth. Violet would represent Pride, and she shows this with how proudly she says about how long she has been chewing on the same piece of gum. Charlie would represent Lust, as he desires a better life. And Wonka would represent Wrath. It fits. It just fits. No one can tell me otherwise. It fits almost too well.
Rhiannon Holland Wouldn't Charlie be envy? But then who would be lust? What if it's Wonka because he banged up Mrs. Bucket thus creating Charlie, his conspiratorial son?
And wrath is actually Mike TV cuz he's obsessed with killing people in video games. Slothfulness then goes to Grandpa Joe, fulfilling all 7 of the deadly sins with all 7 main characters
Sorry, but it doesn't fit. Wonka didn't show any wrath, and I don't know where you got lust from. Lust is strong sexual desire, which in absolutely no way fits Charlie. Also, you didn't include the seventh sin: envy
lmao my aunt likes the 1971 version more and doesn't know that the 2005 sticks to the book more. kinda an interesting test. people like to think that the older thing is better, even if it's not as close to the original as a newer thing.
@@deseuryderia because something sticks closer to it's inspiration doesn't make it better lmao that's completely derivative. You can like any version better but to say the Tim Burton version is cinematically better is wrong. That isn't an opinion, that's based off film studies and character's psychology. Not to the mention the piss poor cast in the remake.
Fifth Bird, plot twist: Willy Wonka was his real father, who abandoned him when he was born to take care of his factory, hoping someday he'll find his son again.
I think there may be another couple layers to the plan as well: 1. Hoping the kids WOULD succeed at his tests. I think Wonka wanted to see if they could overcome their own flaws. Maybe the first two wouldn't, but by the third or fourth he might've hoped they changed their ways after seeing what happened. Hell even Charlie initially fails the test due to pressure from his own Grandpa Joe to have some of the Fizzy Lifting Drink, which is why he's so upset when he has to say to Charlie that he 'YOU LOSE'. 2. Showing Charlie the necessary parts of running a factory through the other kids. All of them were, in a word, privileged to say the least. In a way, showing him his own future customer base. But they do also show him the other parts of the process: Mike representing the power of advertisement and television, the Salt family showing the factory process itself (and the need to properly care for said workers), and so forth.
maybe willy wonka didnt have the factory at the time or was too busy so instead of having a kid he couldnt take care of he decided to give him away so the poor family took him in, but he kept an eye on charlie to make sure he'd be safe and when he was ready to give him the factory so he setup the tests and shit so that charlie could get it after
plot twist: everything on the video is correct, but add the hidden true agenda that he wants to leave the factory and vanish because of the slavery he runs... that's why he say "I'm sorry for putting you through this"
read the book, wonka actually rescued the oompa loompas and brought them to his factory where they could gorge themselves on their fav food, cocoa beans.
Doesnt quite cover all the 7 deadly sins but alludes to them. Gluttony, pride (vain glory), sloth, envy. Not so much on the wrath or lust but Charlie exhibits many of the virtues. Patience, temperance, kindness, charity, etc. not much more to see here other than the overlord testing everyone is ambivalent and morally ambiguous. Complete with his fake devil slugworth
Great Theory here's another 1! Roald Dahl wrote to show us that imagination is the key to changing the world. Once you imagine as intensely as Charlie did at the start of the film. The series of events that follow are leading to the acheievment of this daydream/imagined act. However during the turbulent road ahead he must maintain faith in the acheivement of his dream. The book/film then displays the Universal laws that must be adhered to in order for Charlies imagined act to manifest. He must display honesty and integrity etc. The movie/book shows Mr Willy Wonka as a metophorical personification representing (nature/creator or Universe) This means he has no sympathy and at times appears cruel. This how life, the creator or Universe will seem to those who do not comprehend its laws. The lack of sympathy shown by Mr Wonka for the other childrens downfall is not because of their selfish acts but it is because of their selfish intentions. Charlie's breaking of the rules and being caught, show us that during the process of acheieving our imagined act. The creator of our world (represented here by Willy Wonka) is merciful becauase the creator alllows mistakes when your heart and intentions are good and will still assist you fulfilling your achievement. Thanks Roald Dahl !
i think u mean ronald dahl. not rhoad if ur talking about the book writer’s name. fun fact: dahl hated gene wilder’s version so much that he banned them from making the squel another fun fact: they had to get dahl’s wife’s permission to make the burton’s version
I've just realized something. Everyone hates on Grandpa Joe for being a lazy ass and not giving a shit about the other children. But maybe there's a reason why. In the new film, he used to work at the factory, and it's never said he didn't in the 1971. Perhaps...Grandpa Joe was also in on the conspiracy. When all the workers were sent away, Mr. Wonka could have let Grandpa Joe in on his secrets (maybe he was his most loyal worker, there could be many reasons why). Years go by, Charlie is born, and through some secret contact that the family is unaware of, he lets Wonka know about how perfectly his grandson could fit the role. Wonka has to test Charlie for himself of course, and this is where the fizzy lifting drinks come in. Think about it. It was Grandpa Joe who told Charlie to take them. Otherwise, Charlie would likely have stayed with the tour, and there would be reason for Wonka's outburst at the end. Wonka had Joe persuade Charlie into breaking the rules, and this way, Wonka could see how honest Charlie was. Grandpa Joe was never concerned about the other children. "Don't worry. He can't drink it all." "Because Charlie, she's a nitwit". He knew Wonka's plan all along. As far as being bedridden, maybe he could have known Charlie's victory was coming and saw no reason to work as he knew the family was in for a major change soon. Just a theory though, but I found that interesting.
Jeremy Cliff I like your theory, and it makes sense. Grandpa Joe could have been communicating with Willy, throughout Charlie's life, telling him about how honest and trustworthy Charlie was.
I think the other children were there to be examples to Charlie of how not to act and that there are consequences to poor behavior. Not that Charlie was a bad kid but just re-enforcing that bad behavior reaps bad results. Finally, who was Charlies father? I did not read the book. Did Charlie's mom have a job that was able to support everyone? Yes, they were poor but she is at home slaving away to cook for the grandparents not off at a job trying to earn money for their meager lives. Was Charlie's Mom involved or once married (potentially still married) to Wonka? Was Charlie specifically brought up away from the rich and potentially indulgent life of the chocolate factory to assure he did not grow up to be spoiled and self absorbed like other the children? I think this deeper than we think....
Jeremy Cliff I actually fully agree! While there is more to your theory I have very close to the same theory! Glad to see someone else piecing it together in the same way!! ☺
What about the Boat Ride? Charlie and Grandpa Joe are the only two who aren't scared by the Boat. Joe, because he was in on it, and Charlie because... Well, who knows? The only thing we know Charlie saw was Slugworth. What if the Boat showed each child and parents what they feared the most, while Charlie only worried over betraying Wonka's Trust.
One thing that was weird, was Charlie found the ticket the day before they were supposed to go, but Wonka says I've read all about you in the newspapers. How would he have read about Charlie in the newspaper if he had just won the ticket the day before? Like who would have wrote the story. It's plausible the newspaper would have gone out the morning of the visit I suppose. Just doesn't seem obvious all that is happening in the movie.
Its a good theory but your missing 1 key point. Has anyone else stopped to notice how much Willy and Charlie look alike? Charlie's dad supposedly left when the factory closed leaving his mother and grandparents to raise him. Another thing about the timing is how all of this starts on Charlie's birthday. Why does this matter? Because in multiple theories Willy is Charlie's father. Consider how much Charlie's mother despises the chocolate factory. Almost as if she thinks it's a waste of time. Perhaps because Willy became so much more obsessed with his factory than his family only to bring his attention back to them when Charlie had reached an age to be able to work. It makes sense. Or at least I believe so.
But Charlie's dad was present in both the movie and the book. He capped toothpastes until his job was taken over by robots. I could see it if Wonka was like some more distant relative, but considering he remained young despite the grandfather working there as a younger man, getting let go like the other employees and then becoming an old man, it's likely that Wonka isn't even entirely human, or at least different from the rest. In the second book, he literally takes them into space with his glass elevator and has intensive knowledge of the aliens and worlds outside of Earth. Charlie's mother doesn't hate the factory, she wouldn't really have given him the bars on his birthday especially since they were so poor. I can see how this theory might be plausible, but it does leave a lot of holes. There is a lot of information that is left unexplained in the books, so who knows?
The thing is.. why does Wonka care if he moves the focus off of Charlie or not? Just bring him in... groom him to be the successor.. and that's it! Wonka has no need for these elaborate schemes that are meant to fool the world. There isn't some secret overlord that he has to fool. I'll answer my own question: he doesn't. The plan is NOT to set these other kids up to fail and teach them and their parents a lesson. Wonka doesn't care at all about that. The only thing he needs these other kids for is to break Charlie down. Wonka has done his homework. He knows that Charlie is very likely a great choice to succeed him. But he doesn't know everything. Regardless of the amount of time he has been creepily watching Charlie he has not been able to see him in a difficult situation. He hasn't seen him under duress. Wonka devised this incredibly elaborate plan to systematically break down Charlie's opinion of Wonka and then pose a black and white moral question. He said it himself: He had to know.
Something worth noting about the other kids, Verruca was the only really bratty one. Augustus was quite polite and well-mannered, Violet was relatively sensible and Mike was just hyperactive. Those three just made the mistake of giving in to temptation. In the case of Augustus, his parents could be to blame for his gluttony, as his father was shown to be stuffing his face and even tried to eat the mike, while his mother told him to "Save some room for later" but didn't really teach him self-restraint.
I’ll go even further and argue that the custodian that Charlie runs into when he first looks through the gate at the factory is also in on Wonka’s plan. The custodian tells Wonka about the boy gazing at his factory longing to get inside. Wonka finds out who he is (likely through Slugworth) and this sets up Wonka’s plan and was the catalyst.
This theory is spot on. No way Mr. Wilkinson just happened to be where those kids were. He knew. And the candy owner was in on it too. Handing Charlie the chocolate bar with the ticket.
Willy Wonka has a lot of time on his hand. I think that Willy Wonka was studying the children as they won the golden tickets, while he was watching them on television he had the Oompa Loompa's building the rooms to test the kids. If you've noticed the only room that wasn't prepared to test the children was Charlie's.
3:10 To be fair, the TV Room felt like the only one that was specifically linked to Mike. For the Candy Room, generally anyone who competed in the contest must be a fan of candy, even if they aren't gluttons like Augustus, and Veruca could've wanted anything and everything in the factory, it's just the Golden Geese were the main kick. Though that specific Gum Machine in the Inventing Room was easily meant to target Violet, I suppose. (Even then, that's a weirdly specific lesson to teach, compared to overeating or being spoiled.)
My little sister was in a Willy Wonka Jr. play, which was adapted from this version of the movie, but one thing of note that they changed was that the kid that played Wonka also played the Candy Man (Which I don't think had anything to do with numbers of kids; there were plenty of kids whose only roles were oompa loompas, along with some who were both oompa loompas and, for example, the other three grandparents). As the Candy Man, he also gave Charlie multiple sweets for free, and at one point even tells him that he would just give him everything if he could. There was no Gobstopper subplot in the play, Charlie only had to admit that they had sampled the Fizzy Lifting drink to earn the factory for being honest, and I'm sure it was easy enough for Wonka to tell how honest Charlie was after all those years and use that as his heir's criteria, especially since he never tried to give him the "oh I'll pay you back later" excuse, he was always upfront that his family didn't have the money for him to always get candy with the rest of the kids.
It's funny because I always thought the candy man was in on the whole thing of Charlie winning....I thought he always say Charlie looking at all the treats but he knew he couldn't afford it as the other children and him being a paper boy maybe he had a friendship with the candy man and the candy man knew Charlie was a perfect fit. I always noticed how oddly the timing was....I always believed the original had an eerie or creepy feeling and now I fully understand why. I just always knew there was something more to the candy man than the few minutes he was on screen...maybe he's a under cover worker for Wonka as well????? Sad we may never know the truths.
So when Wonka yells at Charlie in his office and says he doesn’t get the prize, he isn’t actually angry. It’s an act to see whether Charlie’s good boy attitude is genuine or not. Also, fun fact. Gene Wilder hated that scene because he became friends with Peter Ostrum and didn’t want to scare him.
That’s probably why every room except for the chocolate room looked really crappy, because the chocolate room was a real place while the other ones were made for them in such a quick time.
I certainty did think that it was his plan all along.Even as a child I remember thinking how calculated Wonka was.Wonkas ellusive personality always intrigued me though, he is one hell of a character
Not only did he spy on the kids but he set up those rooms specifically for them. The Oompa Loompas were even prepared for the 'accidents' and had songs rehearsed
My theory is that all the kids had the potential to be good successors if you watch the scene when he meets them at the gate he seems to be analysing them and he continues to observe them all and that’s why he is so unbothered when they get hurt he at that point knows that they’re not the choice.
I find no flaw other than at 7:17 at Charlie being "chocolate-loving". Truth be told, Charlie really didn't care that much for chocolate. He did eat it in the film but he said in the classroom when asked by his teacher how much Wonka bars he opened that he really didn't care much for chocolate. Wonka wasn't concerned so much for his love for chocolate as he was his good heart, his pure and open imagination and his willingness to listen and obey instruction. If he was going to have a successor that could run the factory in the future, who he could teach and tell all of his secrets to and be help of to the Oompa Loompas, he needed a child that showed promise to be caring, truthful, and responsible. Ironically, a love of chocolate wasn't necessary. Just a love of wonder and pure imagination that he would want to share with others with his creations and through his factory.
wouldn't it just have been easier for Wonka to knock on Charlie's door and ask "would you like to apply for a job?" seems like he would have saved a lot of time and money.
I have a few questions: What if this wasn't Willy wonka's factory to begin with? What if some other guy owned the factory before wonka and he had to go through the same tests when he was a child just as Charlie went through and Wonka won and became the successor. I wanted to say slugworth owned the factory before wonka but he doesn't look too old.
I agree on both counts. I love how the new movie sticks more to the book. But I hated some parts, like the Oompa Loompas in the new movie are shit. just the same one guy CGI'ed over and over and it sucked. I really wanted to see the Oompa Loompas like how they are illustrated in the books. Plus Depp's portrayal of Wonka was great in making him creepy, but he slipped from creepy to mentally unstable and scary one too many times.
Oh no I'm not saying the newer version is better because it isn't as good (especially when they had to add in Willy Wonka's daddy issues for some reason), but it's weird that the less accurate film is considered better when most of the time a film adaption is better when it's exactly like the book
Interesting. One of the great lessons is that a FILM is it's own artform and ideally is expressed simply and with clean clear visuals. A book being literary is often much more complex and difficult to translate to cinema without often major revision. Usuall it seems to me though that where book and film can converge most easily is when there is the convergence of plot. If the chain of EVENTS is adhered to, the audience is usually pleased with the translation. It's often when filmmakers omit or change what the readers consider to be MAJOR events that the film doesn't succeed.
Fourth bird. By the end of the film, Charlie feels he earned the factory rather than it just given to him because he was chosen. Forever instilling a sense of pride & faithfulness to Wonka's work. Additionally, Wonka spending too much of his life to be the best at what he does, now gets to be a mentor/father figure to a son he never had.
Good theory, but I'm pretty sure the Candyman was talking about Wonka bars. The context of the scene goes: Charlie asks for a Wonka bar. Candy man says, "Sure, (pause) now that all the tickets have been found I won't have to hide them anymore." Because Charlie was just talking about Wonka bars, I think that is what "them" refers to. Besides, even if the Candyman was in coalition with Wonka, he wouldn't have a say in what bars the tickets would be hidden in. I just went on a tangent about a fictional candy contest for the sake of a UA-cam video that is almost a year old.
Dasro he says in text that he also mentioned hiding chocolate bars. Did he mention both? Either way, he picked a singled out chocolate bar as if it was reserved, and Wilkinson happens to be present for all the tickets found. It seems like it could have been an intentional part of the plot but was scrapped later in production. I'm curious how true the film stays to the book, and if these parts were expressed in it. Perhaps it was an added twist they were going to add and that's why it wasn't named directly after the book. Or maybe they allude to this in the book as well. Can anyone chime in?
I think the point is too that Charlie is offered a 'regular' aka ordinary chocolate bar. Which indicates that charlie is satisfied with the normal . regualr /everyday nature of things in a greedy consumerist society. I mean, Charlies family are eating cabbage water at home... and it would be easy for Charlie to overindulge like everyone else... but Charlie is humble and accepts that to moderate himself is a good option. When he does moderate himself to just the average bar... he is rewarded with a ticket. Whenever he got anything else he shared it with his family / bread / previous chocolate with Grampa. Earnings from his job... but if he swung the other way and in that moment he became self indulgent and chose a bigger better bar... he would have lost everything.
What if the candyman is in fact willie wonka in disguise? He had already seen Charlie before the contest when he was in the candy shop and saw something special in him. He even placed the money in the drain for Charlie to find to pay for the chocolate.
Obviously Wonka wouldn't've let those tickets get shipped out at random. :) He was already using Slugworth to be there the moment they got the ticket, so Slugworth just carried the bars with him. He had to make sure that the bars with the tickets got sold or found before the deadline. And he had to pick families with money who could travel to the factory, Verruca Salt's dad owned that factory, Violet Beauregard's dad owned the car lot, TV Mike's family was middle-class, Augustus Gloop's family was well-off, and Charlie lived right up the street.
Minimal vehicle space is so true! When they go through the Wonka Wash there’s only space for two kids and their parents. Wonka knew by that part of the tour only two children would be left.
Ive always known this.... but I’ve always wondered about the guy in the beginning of the movie pushing the cart of knives in front of the factory what was his point??? 🤷🏻♀️
Quite simple really. The reason is because cutlery salesman and sharpeners were quite common during the time period of the film. Want more evidence check out Oliver during the "Who will buy" number
It's amazing how deeply you analyzed this movie. The first time I watched this movie was probably 15-20 years ago & I never thought about any symbolism until now. Very interesting video 👌🏾
Something to ponder as well, the families of the children. Salt owned a Peanut factory, Beauregarde owned a car dealership, Teevee looks like an actor, Gloop looks like a restaurant owner. All close to what a Wonka was, a business owner.
Ross Hutchinson *You're And no, I'm not. "Slugworth" and the Ever-Lasting Gobstopper never mattered in the book. But what are they in the 1971 film? Major plot points. The candy shop with the employee who breaks out into song that gives out free candy to everyone except Charlie did not exist in the book. Squirrels got changed to golden eggs in the 1971 film for some reason. In both films and tge book, the Oompa Loompas sing a song at each child's exit from the tour. The 1971 film, for some reason, made up four slightly different songs, when the 2004 film has abridged songs from the book. The scene in which Charlie and Grandpa Joe belch in a fan chamber(?) is not only stupid, but didn't exist in the book; but then again, the 2004 one added some weird and unnecessary arc about Willy Wonka solving daddy-issues (?). The 1971 film keeps the fates of the children ambiguous, while neither the book nor the 2004 film do this. One thing I found strange is that neither film adaptation or really _any_ adaptation retained the detail that the children brought with them *both* parents; it was only Charlie who brought one grandparent, which helped to further establish the fact that he is different from the other children. Instead, all adaptations choose to have one parent accompany their child.
I always wanted a sequel showing what happened to Veruca Salt after she went home from the factory. She was the best character of the whole movie (after Wonka of course). Growing up with this movie it's such an important piece of heritage. I'm pushing 50 and I've so many memories of watching it while sitting on my dad's lap. He's now gone and I've moved away from home so I don't see my siblings very much at all. These classic movies are so very dear to people my age. It was a different era in the 70s. It was a family event when these shows came on tv. You couldn't watch them on demand.
That is implying that money was ever an object for Wonka...probably recouped the expenses for those rooms, though, before dumping that world of (brand new, at the time) OSHA violations off on a young boy.
Wow 😱. I think you are right about him helping them. At the end Charlie asks if they will be ok. And Wonka says they will be ok, but will be a bit wiser now.
Nifty video, however I am going to give my opinion on one room, the Chocolate Room itself. I don't believe that the room itself was setup to trap Gloop, I honestly think it is his center of operation when it comes to making his chocolate, as it is the only time we see Wonka legitimately upset when a kid disobeys him. ALL of the others he just warns not to or gives a half-assed "no, stop." However in the chocolate room he's actually shouting for Agustus to stop, until he falls in. I just think that was the one room he would have shown regardless, being the center of his chocolate making empire, but also served the purpose as the glutton of the group wouldn't resist to do something like drink from the river of chocolate.
“oddly large pipes fit for a fattie” had me rolling
Jared Schwartz literally as he said it I read your comment 😂
Jared Schwartz BRO 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that had me dead
JAYc official me to 😂
I bet she was piping mad about that remark, lol. She wasnt a pipsqeak she was a pipesqweak.
ye and hear mii out got me rolling lol
Also take into account Charlie was the only one without an interview.
veruca didnt have an interview IIRC
The book is different he has reporters flood his house
yeah true but its different in the books
idk it doesn’t make sense though
They didn’t have time. It was the next day
Wilkinson might have dropped the coin for Charlie to find 😶
R O wow
Sounds like a plausible theroy. Which would explain why "Slugworth" was waiting for Charlie in the alley. How did he know that Charlie was going to go through there?
Or that other guy slugsomething
Yeah, I think he planted the coin for Charlie to find. I always assumed the kids were handpicked, and Wilkinsson planted their golden tickets. The rooms were specific traps for each kid. The contest was rigged so Charlie would win. I mean 5 white kids, roughly the same age, each find a golden ticket. Come on.
@@testodude your theory would explain why Wilkinson was always at each location immediately after the golden tickets were found.
Another thing, when they are in the television room and the kid is about to transport himself Willy Wonka says very very unenthusiasticly, “stop, come back...”
I like the line where he says "no stop come back" so sarcastically
Help
Police
*Murder*
No
Don’t
Stop
Yooo I’ve quoted that like my whole life when I wanna unenthusiastically tell someone to come back not even thinking about what it’s from lmao! It’s so sarcastic
Stop, dont come back.
Given the video, it makes perfect sense. The brats also deserve it though. 😈
"You'll see in a chocolate factory theres lots of chocolate" *well i'll be damned*
Prismen hahaha
Wow, it’s a miracle.
No shit Sherlock.
well damn this whole time i thought it was shit
HHAHSJWJHSJWHA
This movie is like the children version of the Saw
Ecofairy this movie was made years before saw
Ashu Prak And children are younger than adults.
Do sense another charlie and the chocolate factory theory hmmmm
Oh God!!!!!!!!
You mean saw is the adult version of Willy wonky of the chocolate factory
I know im waay late but, the way he reacts to the kids breaking the rules and getting taken away is very odd too. Instead of genuinely being shocked (Like a normal human would) he reacts with no emotion. Why? Because he knew it would happen.
goodest boi i think he’s a sociopath, he shows no real emotion
He's aboslutely not sociopath. Sociopath have struggle holding on to jobs or relationships since they are easily bored
@taburz blism psycho i can understand, but how is he a pedophile?
@@brutalblizz because of the way he looks at kids and captivates them, furthermore there's a particularly large comment somewhere on here in the comments section i wrote out like 8 months to a year ago listing about 11 or 12 reasons on why wonka is a pedophile using a psychological analysis breakdown and breaking down the red flag giveaways in the movie that point towards this, but i can no longer seem to find the comment as new comments seem to be added regularly. i'm hoping it's not washed away entirely
@@taburzblism3287 Well...back then it wasn't always really seen as pedophilic for older people to hug or be awfully nice to children. If that was the case, then the candy shop worker would've been seen as a pedophile as well.
Who else thinks Charlie and wonka looks like father and son in this
o_o that implies that charlie's mother was either unfaithful to her husband, raped by wonka, or worked as a prostituted and wound up pregnant before she married her husband in the movie.
personally i think it's the final one because her family is really poor. both of her parents worked themselves to the point of barely being about to get out of bed or not at all.
before charlie's dad came around, she was probably supporting them in this manner for most of her adult life, possibly getting pregnant from a client. assuming her husband knew her and was good friends and equally as poor, he married her out of a sense of duty and friendship so she wouldn't be alone raising a child and taking care of her parents.
if she was a prostitute, this means that could be the biological father of the charlie and monitored how she would raise him.
not always but often the poorer people are the most generous and humble as they know what it's like to have nothing and doors slammed in their faces.
charlie growing up in such an environment could /possibly/ ensure that charlie doesn't turn out like the other bratty children. other children, i point out, were often really well off. a billionaire, butcher shop owners back then weren't exactly rich but they were in need for nothing. the TV kid's father was a college educated engineer of some sort, so he had money coming in. the bubble gum girl, (correct me if i'm wrong) was just made famous by her record setting. this fame went to her head and her parents doted on her when she flashed the "i'm famous" card.
These could all be traits undesirous in an heir.
so he monitored the prostitute he knocked up and devised a series of elaborate schemes just to ensure he's one of the chosen to "inherit" what he would have been given had he been born under normal circumstances...
the rape theory applies to this aswell but i feel being a prostitute would be far less of a terrifying thing to endure mentally than a rape, as rape is a violation against your will and prostitution is willingly submitting yourself to perform sexual acts for money...
sorry this is long, but this really got my theorizing juices flowing
Willy Wonka is not a rapist and I don't think he's the type of guy to rent a prostitute either. I think it makes more sense if they had a relationship before Mrs Bucket as married but it ended because Charlie's Mum didn't love Wonka, this fits the bill quite well.
Willy Wonka has a girlfriend and loves her passionately, the girlfriend comes to the realisation that she doesn't feel the same way when she falls for another man called Mr Bucket. She tells Willy Wonka she loves somebody else and they have to part, this shatters Wonka and prompts him to throw himself into his work, shunning other people and ultimately becoming a recluse never leaving his factory and only having contact with his assistant and his workforce of Pygmies he finds much more agreeable than Western people. Meanwhile the woman discovers she is pregnant, her new boyfriend knows this is Wonka's child but still loves this woman regardless so they get married, Mrs Bucket has the child, they call him Charlie and Mr Bucket raises the boy as his own.
Hope that made sense, this theorising is tiring and it's 2am here.
I was thinking Charlie was his son too. People had pre-marital sex all the time. A lot of women were/are ashamed of unplanned pregnancies, so she married the first guy who would take her before she couldn't hide it. I would wonder why Wonka didn't take care of her and the baby considering his wealth, but they don't explain much of his early life. Maybe she didn't tell him or maybe he wasn't free to choose because of his own family. I still think it's super plausible that Charlie is actually his own child.
I am not a Penguin I like the idea concepts amen
Also all the other kids have a parent of the opposite sex while Charlie's male grandparent accompanied him. What up with that.
I always thought Wonka was a time traveler. Charlie is Wonka as a kid and all the children he invites to the factory were people who hurt him as an adult, so he time traveled back in time to get his revenge and teach them a lesson lol 😂
That's my theory...just like biff in back to the future, wonka gave himself the factory..coincidently biff..wonka look like trump..and charlie looks like a young Donald Trump..this is story about donald trump
Ozzy Morrison the heck
Me too!
That actually makes sense, Wonka travelling back in time to give his factory to a younger version of himself would ensure that Wonka would keep his business going for as long as he wanted.
I'm thinking what toxicnolos thinking so he's giving the factory to his younger self and Willy wonka from the tim Burton 2005 remake is Charlie from original Charlie and the chocolate factory and the Charlie from the tim Burton 2005 remake is a one from the future we haven't seen yet
Ever noticed the science teacher at charlie's school is teaching the kids how to make nitroglycerine ?
Yes I did.
Guy Reece I’m a dumb 13 year old what’s that
*Waltz
Umair Musa it’s a heart medication
@@bigtuberdong2189 Nitroglycerine is an explosive used as a main component in the creation of dynamite
The older I get the more I realize Willy Wonka is a complete psychopath
I like the 2005 one too
YEP
Same
Always found him hella creepy
You think this is psychotic, you should see the musical.
What if Wonka is Charlie’s secretly estranged father who in fact didn’t die Charlie’s mother just told him that to keep him from looking for Wonka who didn’t want to be known as the father but wanted Charlie to inherit the factory and the work. He also didn’t think he could just give the factory to Charlie as it would raise too much suspicion as to why him.
Genius
Even looks like him
Rosiejo ! You would think wonka is too old to be Charlie’s father considering grandpa joe used to work for him, the factory must have been going on for decades.
Cliché
I could've sworn Charlie's dad was alive in the book. Maybe I'm thinking of something else, and this is some crazy Mandela effect.
I'll take willy wonka's words to my grave:
"If you want to view paradise, simply look around, and view it. Anything you want to, do it. Want to change the world? There's nothing to it."
Words to live by.
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All to set Charly up to create the Snowpiercer train.
@@WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS lmaooo
Tattoos anyone?
Great theory! Totally agree!
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I’m surprised that Grandpa Joe wasn’t brought up. Let’s not forget he used to work there years before and Wonka found out about his hard times and that also helped make the decision easier
That’s only in the Tim Burton version
@@camrose306 Right.
Grandpa Joe was lying in both versions of the story. He has never worked a day in his life . In fact, the remake makes it clear that Wonka has never met him throughout his entire career as a chocolate producer because the Oompa Loompas did all of the work.
@@Mikewee777 ?? Joe did work there in the remake. WIlly just doesnt recognize him because he never cared about his workers. He shut all of them out because he assumed they were spies. Wonka never got the Oompa Loompas until AFTER he had fired them all. In fact, we even SEE him working there
@@Mikewee777 In the retelling it's clear that Wonka DID have employees that included Joe BEFORE he found the Oompa Loompas, but due to espionage he laid off everyone and closed the factory for a bit. Later he found the Oompa Loompas and made a deal with them, they moved in to the factory, and production recommenced.
I found this subject interesting as i too was obsessed with willy wonka's motivation and true plan. The answer to this question was very intriguing and sinister. In 1988, 2 years before Roald Dahl passed away, he conducted an interview with the LBC media in Wales UK. He was asked numerous questions, one which included what Willy Wonka's plan truly was. Roald Dahl said that Willy Wonka was symbolic of himself at the time, as he was depressed after his daughter Tessa was born in 1957 because he originally wanted a son. For 7 years he carried the burden of this and then wrote and released Charlie and the chocolate factory in 1964. Roald Dahl wanted his first child to be a son to carry on his legacy, but he was unable to achieve that and blamed himself. Willy Wonka's true plan was to have his legacy carried on by the son he never had. hence Willy Wonka was Roald Dahl and Charlie was the son he never had. Roald Dahl said he even became obssessed with the number 7 because thats how many years he stayed in a state of depression. He created the name Charlie because it has seven letters in it. He even said the original story was supposed to have 7 golden tickets, not 5. The everlasting gobstopper was supposed to have seven flavors and the original movie paid omage to this by showing a gobstopper with 7 different colors. Roald Dahl also said there were supposed to be 77 oompa loompas and 7 members of Charlies family. Because he was depressed, Roald Dahl mentioned he wanted death as a theme in the book which is why he mentioned the death of Charlie's father in the book as well as the details of what creatures prey on oompa loompas. Roald Dahl even wanted the death of willy wonka to take place, however he restrained himself and committed to writing a book people of all ages could read. Roald Dahl's depression is the reason why certain aspects of the book are sinister, especially when it comes to the punishment children received for disobeying Willy Wonka. Roald Dahl was also obsessed with chocolate which is why chocolate is the ultimate candy in the book and movie. There you guys have it. Hope this was informative and glad I wasn't the only one with interest in this subject.
Lork Lorkman ... well that's depressing
If he’d chosen 7 tickets he could’ve focused on the 7 deadly sins?
I know that was a surprise to me when I heard about that. Quite sad really that a certain popular like Ronald Dahl would be upset about not having a son.
Everyone's saying he's shallow. But many parents even today face gender disappointment. It doesn't mean they don't love their actual baby but they build up ideas of what this or that will be like with the child. Gender roles were more serious in roalds day than it is today. Boys were to take after dad. He probably didn't think he could raise his daughter to follow in his footsteps. Ideas like that were probably unfathomable. Even today when the notion that the sexes are "equal" and "gender is a social construct" is heavily pushed everywhere by everyone...
Mothers and fathers still deal with gender disappointment even to crying and depression. It's a mental and emotional attachment you create to that particular dream child. Putting bows and dresses on your daughter or decorating the room with Dinos for your son. Or having the "perfect" 1 boy a s 1 girl family and not getting it. Whatever reason people have gender preferences, many many reasons from something as seemingly superficial to the type of clothes you buy all the way to wanting a child that is the same sex as yourself, can pass on your family name, carry your legacy, like the same things as you etc. It becomes deeply emotional. Women nowadays experience it more than men because we can see the baby's sex as early as 10 weeks through a blood draw and as late as 20 weeks with an ultrasound. We carried that child in our womb
And in that time of carrying and hoping and dreaming and even imagining what our child will be like. It doesn't mean we don't like how they turn out. Just a little piece of that idea dies and so some of us (not me but I've known some) feel sad for the outcome. It's okay. And men back then certainly would not receive mental health assistance or psychiatric services. Shoot my granddad was much younger than Roald Dahl. He died in 2015. Suicide. Why? Because he grew up during a time when receiving psychiatric services was at minimum taboo. Had Mr Dahl gotten counseling or understood that he could still be fulfilled in a daughter he maybe would have never even written the beloved children's story we all love. Who knows? But maybe this story was therapeutic for him. And he expressed his sadness through writing. He probably adored his daughter. He saw his daughter in the character Miss Honey from Matilda. So obviously he loved her. It doesn't make the depression go away. Many artists draw from their pain. It's important that he worked through his feelings and was told enough to come out and discuss it. He shared his pain out loud. It seems shallow. But to many of us the reason other people are depressed seems "silly" and "insignificant" but depression is real pain that doesn't discriminate about how "insignificant" your hurt is. It still hurts. I appreciate his bravery and ability to draw from that.
Lexi the Lexiconist He wanted a legacy! A girl doesn't give you a legacy because she doesn't carry on your name! It might seem silly but that's how patriarchal societies work!
Close ... but not quite. You see the reason Wonka knew what had happened was because it had already happened! Charlie IS Wonka. The Great Glass Elevator is a time machine that allows him to go back in time to his childhood and re-recruit himself! He is his own successor! Thus, the loop is a never ending ouroboros, protecting his legacy for eternity.
"no one goes in, no one goes out."
Ginger Ninja love this
Dig it. Interesting
its just a wonka vator
The problem with that theory would be that the chocolate factory would only exist in a causal time loop, never existing past the point where wonka goes back to recruit himself, or would stop existing in the past, only coming in to existence when charlie comes forward to claim ownership.
Roahl Dahl would have been proud of you for discovering the hidden meaning of his book...
True
Except the fact you spelled his name wrong lol
kirby march Barcena a little late here but his book is really just an allegory of hell based on Dante’s Inferno
If the ball goes in the goal then it’s a goal
It isn't hidden.
Adding on to this, I think it is pretty evident that "Slugworth" was indeed following and observing the chosen kids. When he meets Charlie in the tunnel after he finds the ticket, "Slugworth" shows him the money he would give him if he were to get him a gobstopper. Then he says, "Think it over, will you? A new home for your family. And good food and comfort for the rest of their lives," which proves that he knows Charlie comes from a poor background. So yep, definitely right on that.
GOSH I ALWAYS KNEW THIS MOVIE WAS WAYY TO SKETCHY
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Stupid
Same
A great writer should write a new story to be turned into a movie where Charlie is now running the factory and is looking for a new successor.
that's what I have been wanting
Of course there'd be some slight changes, but you know how most sequels have a similar story plot to the first
Soooo, Charlie and a chocolate factory , which came out already
Seth Allen did you completely miss the point in this comment? Lol hey said they should do a movie where CHARLIE IS RUNNING THE FACTORY. not a remake of the original movie lol
Gonk There's actually a Sequel in the Books called "Charlie & The Great Glass Elevator" where that's Exactly what happens, So that would be Pretty Sweet to see that on Screen. They go off into Space and fight off Aliens in that Book, No Joke LoL
I was just thinking- this came into my head when the Theorizer was talking about how the rooms catered towards each child’s wants. These children (and Wonka) can represent the seven deadly sins.
Augustus is obviously Gluttony, his love for food proves that.
Verruca can easily represent Greed.
Mike would represent Sloth.
Violet would represent Pride, and she shows this with how proudly she says about how long she has been chewing on the same piece of gum.
Charlie would represent Lust, as he desires a better life.
And Wonka would represent Wrath.
It fits. It just fits. No one can tell me otherwise. It fits almost too well.
Rhiannon Holland Wouldn't Charlie be envy? But then who would be lust? What if it's Wonka because he banged up Mrs. Bucket thus creating Charlie, his conspiratorial son?
And wrath is actually Mike TV cuz he's obsessed with killing people in video games. Slothfulness then goes to Grandpa Joe, fulfilling all 7 of the deadly sins with all 7 main characters
Augustus - Gluttony
Verruca - Greed
Mike - Wrath
Violet - Lust
Charlie - Envy
Grandpa Joe - Sloth
Willy - Pride
Sorry, but it doesn't fit. Wonka didn't show any wrath, and I don't know where you got lust from. Lust is strong sexual desire, which in absolutely no way fits Charlie. Also, you didn't include the seventh sin: envy
Not what lust means.. But ok..
Theorizer: not the Tim burton 2005 one, the classic 1971 one derived from the book
2005 version: *sticks to the book in more aspects*
lmao my aunt likes the 1971 version more and doesn't know that the 2005 sticks to the book more. kinda an interesting test. people like to think that the older thing is better, even if it's not as close to the original as a newer thing.
But the 1971 version is still a better version
@@kobizarre2003 the book is better, technically
@@deseuryderia because something sticks closer to it's inspiration doesn't make it better lmao that's completely derivative. You can like any version better but to say the Tim Burton version is cinematically better is wrong. That isn't an opinion, that's based off film studies and character's psychology. Not to the mention the piss poor cast in the remake.
@@coldfireball6384 ok, but did i ask? ♥️
FOURTH BIRD he sold a lot of candy and got LOADS of money.
Seecooty XDDDDDD
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Fifth Bird, plot twist: Willy Wonka was his real father, who abandoned him when he was born to take care of his factory, hoping someday he'll find his son again.
I0L X]
pinkstuff789able P that’s that’s... THATS JUST DEPRESSING
fifth bird: get to use the extent of his company ability
I think there may be another couple layers to the plan as well:
1. Hoping the kids WOULD succeed at his tests. I think Wonka wanted to see if they could overcome their own flaws. Maybe the first two wouldn't, but by the third or fourth he might've hoped they changed their ways after seeing what happened. Hell even Charlie initially fails the test due to pressure from his own Grandpa Joe to have some of the Fizzy Lifting Drink, which is why he's so upset when he has to say to Charlie that he 'YOU LOSE'.
2. Showing Charlie the necessary parts of running a factory through the other kids. All of them were, in a word, privileged to say the least. In a way, showing him his own future customer base. But they do also show him the other parts of the process: Mike representing the power of advertisement and television, the Salt family showing the factory process itself (and the need to properly care for said workers), and so forth.
Before I saw the movie, thought Johnny Depp played an older version of Charlie from the original movie when he took over the factory.
@@PorkchopPete you don't have to be so rude
The second movie is a remake.
i thought so too
Didn’t pretty much everyone think that at one point
@@ОгњенБојичић the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural ;)
*Every Child Survives*
Clickbaiters: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
I died at “oddly large pipes fit for a fatty” omg 😂
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No shit Sherlock.
You're pretty
Se7en simp
@@Leahjones598 Yeah . I really did have a simple moment ..
I appreciate you using that intro theme. Snowy the Bear's Adventures was my CHILDHOOD!
SAME!!! And Super Granny. I have seen zero other UA-camrs that even know what it is.
The Theorizer Finally, someone who had a good childhood. Super Granny was awesome too!
DJ Rarity I played all of the games in the series lol
The Theorizer I beat all of the Snowy Games, especially Space Trip.
DJ Rarity The only WildTangent game I ever beat was the original Snowy the Bears Adventures lol
SOMEONE!...PLEASE give this man a golden ticket!!
Agreed. He should be punished
Lol
Jimpresh//Vloging and more why
I swear I almost died when he made Wonka's face look demonic
So he's basically the pranksters of UA-cam if they owned a chocolate factory.
Luis Romero-Cruz ...
no, more like Sam pepper if he owned a chocolate factory.
UA-cam Pranksters won't give these children a lesson, they would most likely receive one theirselves.
It's just a social experiment bro!
Chocolate Factory PRANK (GONE SEXUAL) (GONE WRONG) (in the hood).
What if willy wonka is Charlie from the future
WTF WTF WTF WTF
Arely Reyna Oh my god i used to say what if charlie is wonks son right???!!
Any Evidence?
maybe willy wonka didnt have the factory at the time or was too busy so instead of having a kid he couldnt take care of he decided to give him away so the poor family took him in, but he kept an eye on charlie to make sure he'd be safe and when he was ready to give him the factory so he setup the tests and shit so that charlie could get it after
Why does the factory have so many rooms? Simple. The factory is secretly a T.A.R.D.I.S
plot twist: everything on the video is correct, but add the hidden true agenda that he wants to leave the factory and vanish because of the slavery he runs... that's why he say "I'm sorry for putting you through this"
He's dumping the factory to avoid OSHA fines.ua-cam.com/video/jD83QaWy8LI/v-deo.html
@@keithduthie Jeeze, don't use your opinion as fact.
@@keithduthie matpat's theory was really stupid
read the book, wonka actually rescued the oompa loompas and brought them to his factory where they could gorge themselves on their fav food, cocoa beans.
coincidence: *happens*
the theorizer: im gonna pretend i didn't see that
Any theorizer: *COINCEDENCE!!! I think NOT!!!*
Wonka has the best marketing department in the world
Wonka is for assholes.
You should do one on 'the polar express.' It would be interesting
I just remembered that movie existed
That's a good idea
That's a good idea
Cami .-. Yas please!
Yaaaaaasssss!!! Polar Express for life.
Do It. Do It. DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well when Mike TV goes on the platform to go inside the TV, Wonka said "Come back," Like he didn't care.
yeah 🤔
He was like, "stop, no, come back."
As dry as dust
Lol!
Wonka seems like he knew EXACTLY what the kids wanted: Augustus: Chocolate, Violet: Gum, Verruca: instant gratification, and Mike: Being on TV.
What about Charlie, what did Charlie want?
I dont think getting fallen to a garbage chute is instant gratification
Doesnt quite cover all the 7 deadly sins but alludes to them. Gluttony, pride (vain glory), sloth, envy. Not so much on the wrath or lust but Charlie exhibits many of the virtues. Patience, temperance, kindness, charity, etc. not much more to see here other than the overlord testing everyone is ambivalent and morally ambiguous. Complete with his fake devil slugworth
Great Theory here's another 1!
Roald Dahl wrote to show us that imagination is the key to changing the world. Once you imagine as intensely as Charlie did at the start of the film. The series of events that follow are leading to the acheievment of this daydream/imagined act. However during the turbulent road ahead he must maintain faith in the acheivement of his dream. The book/film then displays the Universal laws that must be adhered to in order for Charlies imagined act to manifest. He must display honesty and integrity etc. The movie/book shows Mr Willy Wonka as a metophorical personification representing (nature/creator or Universe) This means he has no sympathy and at times appears cruel. This how life, the creator or Universe will seem to those who do not comprehend its laws. The lack of sympathy shown by Mr Wonka for the other childrens downfall is not because of their selfish acts but it is because of their selfish intentions. Charlie's breaking of the rules and being caught, show us that during the process of acheieving our imagined act. The creator of our world (represented here by Willy Wonka) is merciful becauase the creator alllows mistakes when your heart and intentions are good and will still assist you fulfilling your achievement. Thanks Roald Dahl !
Now this is a solid explanation thank you
That’s such a good analysis of the backstory!! 👏🏻👏🏻
I got an ad for chocolate. XD
Nice
Old Channel seems legit
Old Channel no one cares what you see and don't see
Old Channel your next
Old Channel Does it say " WILLY WONKA'S CHOCOLATE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD, DON'T BELIEVE US? TRY ONE YOUR SELF!" and then you reach into the TV
Going on a theory marathon!! Love watching my childhood slip down the drain as reality sets in!!!
Luna Fox Yeah it’s interesting😂
Luna Fox yaaaaay me too
Luna Fox Same I'm here because I watched it yesterday!
Sameeee 😂
Hi
Fun fact: Rhoad’s wife said that Rhoad would’ve preferred the Johnny Depp version more than Gene Wilder.
i think u mean ronald dahl. not rhoad if ur talking about the book writer’s name. fun fact: dahl hated gene wilder’s version so much that he banned them from making the squel
another fun fact: they had to get dahl’s wife’s permission to make the burton’s version
@@saklee1777 whoa 😳
Whose Rhoad??
@@MrThedonhead The author of the original book
@@saklee1777 Yeah I mean Ronald. I can never remember his first name honestly
I've just realized something. Everyone hates on Grandpa Joe for being a lazy ass and not giving a shit about the other children. But maybe there's a reason why. In the new film, he used to work at the factory, and it's never said he didn't in the 1971. Perhaps...Grandpa Joe was also in on the conspiracy. When all the workers were sent away, Mr. Wonka could have let Grandpa Joe in on his secrets (maybe he was his most loyal worker, there could be many reasons why). Years go by, Charlie is born, and through some secret contact that the family is unaware of, he lets Wonka know about how perfectly his grandson could fit the role. Wonka has to test Charlie for himself of course, and this is where the fizzy lifting drinks come in. Think about it. It was Grandpa Joe who told Charlie to take them. Otherwise, Charlie would likely have stayed with the tour, and there would be reason for Wonka's outburst at the end. Wonka had Joe persuade Charlie into breaking the rules, and this way, Wonka could see how honest Charlie was. Grandpa Joe was never concerned about the other children. "Don't worry. He can't drink it all." "Because Charlie, she's a nitwit". He knew Wonka's plan all along. As far as being bedridden, maybe he could have known Charlie's victory was coming and saw no reason to work as he knew the family was in for a major change soon. Just a theory though, but I found that interesting.
Jeremy Cliff I like your theory, and it makes sense. Grandpa Joe could have been communicating with Willy, throughout Charlie's life, telling him about how honest and trustworthy Charlie was.
this is true
I think the other children were there to be examples to Charlie of how not to act and that there are consequences to poor behavior. Not that Charlie was a bad kid but just re-enforcing that bad behavior reaps bad results. Finally, who was Charlies father? I did not read the book. Did Charlie's mom have a job that was able to support everyone? Yes, they were poor but she is at home slaving away to cook for the grandparents not off at a job trying to earn money for their meager lives. Was Charlie's Mom involved or once married (potentially still married) to Wonka? Was Charlie specifically brought up away from the rich and potentially indulgent life of the chocolate factory to assure he did not grow up to be spoiled and self absorbed like other the children? I think this deeper than we think....
Jeremy Cliff
I actually fully agree! While there is more to your theory I have very close to the same theory!
Glad to see someone else piecing it together in the same way!!
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What about the Boat Ride? Charlie and Grandpa Joe are the only two who aren't scared by the Boat. Joe, because he was in on it, and Charlie because... Well, who knows? The only thing we know Charlie saw was Slugworth. What if the Boat showed each child and parents what they feared the most, while Charlie only worried over betraying Wonka's Trust.
He wasn't eating at the same restaurant, he was their server.
Apollos 02 yea to spy on him
when he ate the microphone top lol
Doesn’t change anything
Oddly large pipes, fit for a fatty
I lol'd at that
I did also.
I was just about to comment about that lol
are you my mummy?
sry your profile pic
Yeah lol
One thing that was weird, was Charlie found the ticket the day before they were supposed to go, but Wonka says I've read all about you in the newspapers. How would he have read about Charlie in the newspaper if he had just won the ticket the day before? Like who would have wrote the story. It's plausible the newspaper would have gone out the morning of the visit I suppose. Just doesn't seem obvious all that is happening in the movie.
3:05 Why did you sound like Willy Wonka when you said "Chocolate"?
Wait what he does
He Is Secretly Wonka
Cpt.Sprite yooooo
OMG NOOO you are so RIGHT
Wow he does 😂
Its a good theory but your missing 1 key point. Has anyone else stopped to notice how much Willy and Charlie look alike? Charlie's dad supposedly left when the factory closed leaving his mother and grandparents to raise him. Another thing about the timing is how all of this starts on Charlie's birthday. Why does this matter? Because in multiple theories Willy is Charlie's father. Consider how much Charlie's mother despises the chocolate factory. Almost as if she thinks it's a waste of time. Perhaps because Willy became so much more obsessed with his factory than his family only to bring his attention back to them when Charlie had reached an age to be able to work. It makes sense. Or at least I believe so.
But Charlie's dad was present in both the movie and the book. He capped toothpastes until his job was taken over by robots. I could see it if Wonka was like some more distant relative, but considering he remained young despite the grandfather working there as a younger man, getting let go like the other employees and then becoming an old man, it's likely that Wonka isn't even entirely human, or at least different from the rest. In the second book, he literally takes them into space with his glass elevator and has intensive knowledge of the aliens and worlds outside of Earth. Charlie's mother doesn't hate the factory, she wouldn't really have given him the bars on his birthday especially since they were so poor. I can see how this theory might be plausible, but it does leave a lot of holes. There is a lot of information that is left unexplained in the books, so who knows?
Steph's Place 2009 And who is the mother?
No! In the first film he was DEAD.
WILLY WONKA IS JIGSAW! HE WANTED PEOPLE TO APPRECIATE THEIR BLESSINGS!
Oh heeeeeellllllll no that’s creepy
No Willy Wonka isn’t Jigsaw. Jigsaw is Kevin from home alone
@@dantdmfangamingrich9802 Why not all three?
The difference here,, is that willy wonka didn’t force those kids. Blame the parents.
Love this
Who remembers when they selled Wonka candy in stores
I think a few theme parks still do sell wonka bars, like universal studios fl.
me, i low-key miss them🥲
Them shits were 🔥🔥🔥
Sold
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The thing is.. why does Wonka care if he moves the focus off of Charlie or not?
Just bring him in... groom him to be the successor.. and that's it!
Wonka has no need for these elaborate schemes that are meant to fool the world. There isn't some secret overlord that he has to fool.
I'll answer my own question: he doesn't.
The plan is NOT to set these other kids up to fail and teach them and their parents a lesson. Wonka doesn't care at all about that. The only thing he needs these other kids for is to break Charlie down.
Wonka has done his homework. He knows that Charlie is very likely a great choice to succeed him. But he doesn't know everything. Regardless of the amount of time he has been creepily watching Charlie he has not been able to see him in a difficult situation. He hasn't seen him under duress. Wonka devised this incredibly elaborate plan to systematically break down Charlie's opinion of Wonka and then pose a black and white moral question.
He said it himself: He had to know.
Matt Cassidy maybe he wanted to be sure Charlie was perfect for the job.
you miss the whole point of the entire movie then... it was a test, Charlie wasn't supposed to know...
Does Wonka look like the type of guy who will take the simple way?
Matt Cassidy no offence
but that would be a boring book/movie
Phoebe Hunter I'm just infusing a little reality into the situation. I agree though.
Something worth noting about the other kids, Verruca was the only really bratty one. Augustus was quite polite and well-mannered, Violet was relatively sensible and Mike was just hyperactive. Those three just made the mistake of giving in to temptation. In the case of Augustus, his parents could be to blame for his gluttony, as his father was shown to be stuffing his face and even tried to eat the mike, while his mother told him to "Save some room for later" but didn't really teach him self-restraint.
I never really understood what was so bad about Violet.
Also, Charlie was just as bad, drinking that lifting potion. The original book didn't have that.
@@tell-me-a-story-obnoxiously chewing with your mouth open was a pretty big deal back in the day. Capital offense for the boomers.
"I don't believe he turning kids into chocolate" Hes turning Chocolate into kids!
Willy Wonka: the personification of St. Valentine's Day.
um
Bahahaha!
*the X files theme plays*
In one of his books Charlie is trapped in chocolate mold
I’ll go even further and argue that the custodian that Charlie runs into when he first looks through the gate at the factory is also in on Wonka’s plan.
The custodian tells Wonka about the boy gazing at his factory longing to get inside. Wonka finds out who he is (likely through Slugworth) and this sets up Wonka’s plan and was the catalyst.
This theory is spot on. No way Mr. Wilkinson just happened to be where those kids were. He knew. And the candy owner was in on it too. Handing Charlie the chocolate bar with the ticket.
Willy Wonka has a lot of time on his hand. I think that Willy Wonka was studying the children as they won the golden tickets, while he was watching them on television he had the Oompa Loompa's building the rooms to test the kids. If you've noticed the only room that wasn't prepared to test the children was Charlie's.
I was going to say the exact thing
I think he knew how the kids were by watching the TV interviews.
You'd be surprised how often something simple like that is employed by magicians, psychics and other bullshit artists.
That's what I always thought as well however it is strange that Wilkinson was in every interview
I think he had the rooms anyway
Well xander if you read the books you'll find that he had a lot more rooms and many of them were a lot stranger.
Vorkai Cyboulsky Wonka probably knew where the tickets were and sent wilksons there
3:10 To be fair, the TV Room felt like the only one that was specifically linked to Mike. For the Candy Room, generally anyone who competed in the contest must be a fan of candy, even if they aren't gluttons like Augustus, and Veruca could've wanted anything and everything in the factory, it's just the Golden Geese were the main kick. Though that specific Gum Machine in the Inventing Room was easily meant to target Violet, I suppose. (Even then, that's a weirdly specific lesson to teach, compared to overeating or being spoiled.)
The best Willy Wonka theory I’ve seen is that WW takes place in the same universe and is a sequel to Snowpiercer
Not a good theory
Very good theory
PLEASE DO MORE TIM BURTON THEORIES! YOUR CHANNEL IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES 0O0
Tim burton...?
AH???
wrong movie nim wit
I know this isn't a Tim Burton movie turd nugget- I'm just saying
santa hoe's no need to be rude.....
Rip Gene Wilder.
Yes, rest in paradise
I’m sitting in my bed and it’s 11pm, what am I doing.
Omg wtf- it’s 11 here too and I’m on my bed
Same
Bro same....I’m scared
MaddnessAlert99 just came back to this and I’m on my bed...and it’s 11 Pm....
It’s exactly 11 pm right now and I’m on my bed
Also the “No don’t come back” and “Oh no help murder”
My little sister was in a Willy Wonka Jr. play, which was adapted from this version of the movie, but one thing of note that they changed was that the kid that played Wonka also played the Candy Man (Which I don't think had anything to do with numbers of kids; there were plenty of kids whose only roles were oompa loompas, along with some who were both oompa loompas and, for example, the other three grandparents). As the Candy Man, he also gave Charlie multiple sweets for free, and at one point even tells him that he would just give him everything if he could. There was no Gobstopper subplot in the play, Charlie only had to admit that they had sampled the Fizzy Lifting drink to earn the factory for being honest, and I'm sure it was easy enough for Wonka to tell how honest Charlie was after all those years and use that as his heir's criteria, especially since he never tried to give him the "oh I'll pay you back later" excuse, he was always upfront that his family didn't have the money for him to always get candy with the rest of the kids.
It's funny because I always thought the candy man was in on the whole thing of Charlie winning....I thought he always say Charlie looking at all the treats but he knew he couldn't afford it as the other children and him being a paper boy maybe he had a friendship with the candy man and the candy man knew Charlie was a perfect fit. I always noticed how oddly the timing was....I always believed the original had an eerie or creepy feeling and now I fully understand why. I just always knew there was something more to the candy man than the few minutes he was on screen...maybe he's a under cover worker for Wonka as well????? Sad we may never know the truths.
Sammy Davis Jr. wanted that role _bad_ . I think it would have just been far too weird.
So when Wonka yells at Charlie in his office and says he doesn’t get the prize, he isn’t actually angry. It’s an act to see whether Charlie’s good boy attitude is genuine or not. Also, fun fact. Gene Wilder hated that scene because he became friends with Peter Ostrum and didn’t want to scare him.
so now that poor Mr Wonka has sadly passed away, it must mean that Charlie runs the factory now totally forgot about that
This is probably the most convincing theory of anything I've heard.
That’s probably why every room except for the chocolate room looked really crappy, because the chocolate room was a real place while the other ones were made for them in such a quick time.
I certainty did think that it was his plan all along.Even as a child I remember thinking how calculated Wonka was.Wonkas ellusive personality always intrigued me though, he is one hell of a character
Even as a kid it seemed obvious Wonka was playing them. The movie's interpretation of the book was spot-on.
Not only did he spy on the kids but he set up those rooms specifically for them. The Oompa Loompas were even prepared for the 'accidents' and had songs rehearsed
My theory is that all the kids had the potential to be good successors if you watch the scene when he meets them at the gate he seems to be analysing them and he continues to observe them all and that’s why he is so unbothered when they get hurt he at that point knows that they’re not the choice.
I find no flaw other than at 7:17 at Charlie being "chocolate-loving". Truth be told, Charlie really didn't care that much for chocolate. He did eat it in the film but he said in the classroom when asked by his teacher how much Wonka bars he opened that he really didn't care much for chocolate. Wonka wasn't concerned so much for his love for chocolate as he was his good heart, his pure and open imagination and his willingness to listen and obey instruction. If he was going to have a successor that could run the factory in the future, who he could teach and tell all of his secrets to and be help of to the Oompa Loompas, he needed a child that showed promise to be caring, truthful, and responsible. Ironically, a love of chocolate wasn't necessary. Just a love of wonder and pure imagination that he would want to share with others with his creations and through his factory.
wouldn't it just have been easier for Wonka to knock on Charlie's door and ask "would you like to apply for a job?"
seems like he would have saved a lot of time and money.
cloudsweapon567 LOL
What a shit movie though
I'm guessing he needed to know for sure that he was worthy of handing his factory onto him.
I have a few questions: What if this wasn't Willy wonka's factory to begin with? What if some other guy owned the factory before wonka and he had to go through the same tests when he was a child just as Charlie went through and Wonka won and became the successor. I wanted to say slugworth owned the factory before wonka but he doesn't look too old.
The candy is called Wonka, that would mean the successor would have to change his name
I always thought that...
manof1005holds there’s no way. He told the story of how he started the factory in the movie.
Like the dread pirate Robert's!
Kourtney Nelson was it the truth tho?
Strange how the Johnny Depp version is regarded as worse but it's actually more accurate to the book
I agree on both counts. I love how the new movie sticks more to the book. But I hated some parts, like the Oompa Loompas in the new movie are shit. just the same one guy CGI'ed over and over and it sucked. I really wanted to see the Oompa Loompas like how they are illustrated in the books.
Plus Depp's portrayal of Wonka was great in making him creepy, but he slipped from creepy to mentally unstable and scary one too many times.
Oh no I'm not saying the newer version is better because it isn't as good (especially when they had to add in Willy Wonka's daddy issues for some reason), but it's weird that the less accurate film is considered better when most of the time a film adaption is better when it's exactly like the book
I agree, but I think the reason perhaps is because it tipped a bit too far in the weird and creepy scale.
Interesting. One of the great lessons is that a FILM is it's own artform and ideally is expressed simply and with clean clear visuals. A book being literary is often much more complex and difficult to translate to cinema without often major revision. Usuall it seems to me though that where book and film can converge most easily is when there is the convergence of plot. If the chain of EVENTS is adhered to, the audience is usually pleased with the translation. It's often when filmmakers omit or change what the readers consider to be MAJOR events that the film doesn't succeed.
I think the original one is deemed to better because Roald Dahl wrote the actual screenplay
Fourth bird. By the end of the film, Charlie feels he earned the factory rather than it just given to him because he was chosen. Forever instilling a sense of pride & faithfulness to Wonka's work.
Additionally, Wonka spending too much of his life to be the best at what he does, now gets to be a mentor/father figure to a son he never had.
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Good theory, but I'm pretty sure the Candyman was talking about Wonka bars. The context of the scene goes:
Charlie asks for a Wonka bar.
Candy man says, "Sure, (pause) now that all the tickets have been found I won't have to hide them anymore."
Because Charlie was just talking about Wonka bars, I think that is what "them" refers to. Besides, even if the Candyman was in coalition with Wonka, he wouldn't have a say in what bars the tickets would be hidden in.
I just went on a tangent about a fictional candy contest for the sake of a UA-cam video that is almost a year old.
Dasro he says in text that he also mentioned hiding chocolate bars. Did he mention both? Either way, he picked a singled out chocolate bar as if it was reserved, and Wilkinson happens to be present for all the tickets found. It seems like it could have been an intentional part of the plot but was scrapped later in production.
I'm curious how true the film stays to the book, and if these parts were expressed in it. Perhaps it was an added twist they were going to add and that's why it wasn't named directly after the book. Or maybe they allude to this in the book as well. Can anyone chime in?
I think the point is too that Charlie is offered a 'regular' aka ordinary chocolate bar. Which indicates that charlie is satisfied with the normal . regualr /everyday nature of things in a greedy consumerist society. I mean, Charlies family are eating cabbage water at home... and it would be easy for Charlie to overindulge like everyone else... but Charlie is humble and accepts that to moderate himself is a good option. When he does moderate himself to just the average bar... he is rewarded with a ticket.
Whenever he got anything else he shared it with his family / bread / previous chocolate with Grampa. Earnings from his job... but if he swung the other way and in that moment he became self indulgent and chose a bigger better bar... he would have lost everything.
I like everyones points here too. Cheers.
Dasro i thought he said that they didn't have to hide them no more as in hiding the tickets
What if the candyman is in fact willie wonka in disguise? He had already seen Charlie before the contest when he was in the candy shop and saw something special in him.
He even placed the money in the drain for Charlie to find to pay for the chocolate.
Obviously Wonka wouldn't've let those tickets get shipped out at random. :) He was already using Slugworth to be there the moment they got the ticket, so Slugworth just carried the bars with him. He had to make sure that the bars with the tickets got sold or found before the deadline. And he had to pick families with money who could travel to the factory, Verruca Salt's dad owned that factory, Violet Beauregard's dad owned the car lot, TV Mike's family was middle-class, Augustus Gloop's family was well-off, and Charlie lived right up the street.
Minimal vehicle space is so true! When they go through the Wonka Wash there’s only space for two kids and their parents. Wonka knew by that part of the tour only two children would be left.
This actually makes sense now, wow!
Ive always known this.... but I’ve always wondered about the guy in the beginning of the movie pushing the cart of knives in front of the factory what was his point??? 🤷🏻♀️
Gabrielle Stewart what does it mean if u know the answer?
The Tinkerer - "Nobody ever goes in, and nobody ever comes out".
Gabrielle Stewart I had an idea of how ironic it all was 🤔 but didn't think any more of it
Gabrielle Stewart I just thought that he was a cannibal and he made kids into candy and his job was to kill kids or making em into chocolate
Quite simple really. The reason is because cutlery salesman and sharpeners were quite common during the time period of the film. Want more evidence check out Oliver during the "Who will buy" number
6:09 Yep, I always wondered if the candy store guy had something to do with Wonka! I now know this video proves that he does!
It's amazing how deeply you analyzed this movie. The first time I watched this movie was probably 15-20 years ago & I never thought about any symbolism until now.
Very interesting video 👌🏾
8:35 that split-second helps the theory (no joke), like he expected a reaction
One piece of evidence is that all the kids speak the same language
OMG I never thought about that!
Waitttt but what about Agustus tho I can’t spell isn’t he like German
@@cheniemarcalantas8843 he still spoke english...
All white. I'd think atleast one would have been asian or Indian 🤔
@@Splexsychiick Asian or Indian? Indians are Asian.
Also Charlie is the grandson of one of Wonka's old workers
The johnny depp version maybe, but none of that is mention in this version
Sir Aroun that is the newer oneb
Syed M no it is grandpa Joe said that he used to work there in this version
Arowyn Gardiner the grandpa never mentioned about being a former worker In the original one
Tyler Allen he did just watch it he said that he used to work there.
Something to ponder as well, the families of the children. Salt owned a Peanut factory, Beauregarde owned a car dealership, Teevee looks like an actor, Gloop looks like a restaurant owner. All close to what a Wonka was, a business owner.
"I'm talking the original classic derived from Roald Dahl's book!"
The 2004 one was actually MUCH closer to the book. You'd know if you read it.
Doug A I've read it, your wrong.
Ross Hutchinson
*You're
And no, I'm not. "Slugworth" and the Ever-Lasting Gobstopper never mattered in the book. But what are they in the 1971 film? Major plot points. The candy shop with the employee who breaks out into song that gives out free candy to everyone except Charlie did not exist in the book. Squirrels got changed to golden eggs in the 1971 film for some reason. In both films and tge book, the Oompa Loompas sing a song at each child's exit from the tour. The 1971 film, for some reason, made up four slightly different songs, when the 2004 film has abridged songs from the book. The scene in which Charlie and Grandpa Joe belch in a fan chamber(?) is not only stupid, but didn't exist in the book; but then again, the 2004 one added some weird and unnecessary arc about Willy Wonka solving daddy-issues (?). The 1971 film keeps the fates of the children ambiguous, while neither the book nor the 2004 film do this. One thing I found strange is that neither film adaptation or really _any_ adaptation retained the detail that the children brought with them *both* parents; it was only Charlie who brought one grandparent, which helped to further establish the fact that he is different from the other children. Instead, all adaptations choose to have one parent accompany their child.
*the book
Doug A I think we can all agree that the original film is FAR superior to Tim Burton's film, even if Burton's is more faithful to the book.
Doug A Was the whole plot line about Wonka's father in the book?
I think the reason he knew what all of the children liked because they were interviewed and put in the paper. But I love ur points
Rip Gene Wilder
I always wanted a sequel showing what happened to Veruca Salt after she went home from the factory. She was the best character of the whole movie (after Wonka of course). Growing up with this movie it's such an important piece of heritage. I'm pushing 50 and I've so many memories of watching it while sitting on my dad's lap. He's now gone and I've moved away from home so I don't see my siblings very much at all. These classic movies are so very dear to people my age. It was a different era in the 70s. It was a family event when these shows came on tv. You couldn't watch them on demand.
What if Willy Wonka is like the movie "triangle" where the same things just repeat over and over again and Willy Wonka is actually Charlie
My brain just broke
U mean happy death day 2?
ahaahhaahahahahahh
Should it be 4 birds since the he got people to buy his chocolate in crazy bulk because of the golden tickets
That is implying that money was ever an object for Wonka...probably recouped the expenses for those rooms, though, before dumping that world of (brand new, at the time) OSHA violations off on a young boy.
Wow 😱. I think you are right about him helping them. At the end Charlie asks if they will be ok. And Wonka says they will be ok, but will be a bit wiser now.
Nifty video, however I am going to give my opinion on one room, the Chocolate Room itself. I don't believe that the room itself was setup to trap Gloop, I honestly think it is his center of operation when it comes to making his chocolate, as it is the only time we see Wonka legitimately upset when a kid disobeys him. ALL of the others he just warns not to or gives a half-assed "no, stop." However in the chocolate room he's actually shouting for Agustus to stop, until he falls in. I just think that was the one room he would have shown regardless, being the center of his chocolate making empire, but also served the purpose as the glutton of the group wouldn't resist to do something like drink from the river of chocolate.