0:00 Introduction 0:48 On the main problems in current Indian chronology. 8:52 On the need of learning sanskrit, pali and prakrit to be qualified as an Indian historian. 11:10 Importance of chronology 12:28 Importance of archaeoastronomy 13:05 Fallacy of "bronze age, Iron age" etc 14:40 Continuation of the discussion on problems of Indian chronology. 21:58 Vijayanagara Inscriptions 23:20 How the adoption of 78 AD as the epoch of Shaka era affected the entire world chronology. 27:36 Popularity of Indian astronomy in the West. 29:12 Fallacy of using 1 AD as an historical epoch 30:27 Greeks in Afghanistan before Alexander. 33:43 Fixing the date Buddha Nirvana, Kalasoka, Maurya Ashoka, Adi Shankaracharya etc. 39:00 Main reason for the errors in Indian chronology- mixing of Shaka and Shakanta era. 41:33 How World chronology is interlinked with Indian chronology. 44:14 How Indian and Greek chronology are linked 48:04 Hindu Buddhist relations 51:12 Chronology from Vedic Age to Vikramaditya 54:00 Fixing dates of different yugas 54:50 Mayasura Suryasiddhanta - the key to the dating of different yugas 1:02:45 How the Suryasiddhanta travelled to the West. 1:04:19 Beginning of the Vedic Astrological Tradition. 1:20:19 The need for a Chronology department in universities. 1:21:18 Solution to all Chronological problems 1:22:25 Ridiculous "Biblical chronology" 1:28:08 Duration of Kaliyuga - real meaning of yugas 1:39:48 The End
The best 1 hour 40 minutes and 18 seconds of my Life this has cleared and gave satisfactory answers to my questions regarding any religion and civilisation. I feel blessed and privelaged to be able to get this humongous amount of knowledge in the luxory of my home . Thanks from the bottom of my heart I wish to hear more from Vedveer Arya Ji .🙏
😇अहिंसा परमो धर्म 😇 Ahimsa paramo dharma (“non-harm is the HIGHEST religious principle” or “non-violence is the GREATEST law”). Therefore, only a strict VEGAN can claim to be an adherent of the eternal religion (sanātana dharma).🌱
Buddhist hostility was more hatred oriented and were quite abusive against Hindus like Abrahamic religions... not simply intellectual difference. Please call sanatan samiksha guys. They are doing excellent work on this with archaeological evidence, scriptures evidences,etc...If you are interested in Truth and honest history. Also astronomical date are quite accurate. Sanskrit shlokas are not that can be interpreted any way as you wanted. Nilesh Oak has worked extensively on it for 25 years of research. Please call him on debate. Not only he has calculated very precise date of Mahabharat but also, talks about geographical evidences clearly given in Ramayana. Sri Lanka was not the Ravana Lanka it is proven with evidences. Please call him. Also, our vedic and puranik gods were not historical figures which we started worshiping. This is weak arguments to justify puranic stories which give philosophies in allegorical manner as Historical stories. It just happened that we had kings who were also having similar names. And their story mixed up with deva 's allogories... this have given rise to several allogories which sound like historical evidences but still have typical unscientific miracle or such events. For example, Indra is clearly mentioned as Thunder and Rain God. At the same time there are some evidences that powerful king of Mahasmati kingdom, roughly present time Madhya Pradesh, was also known as Indra. We also have proven historical evidences that in older times kings and queen were known as deva and devis respectively. So it is simply that some historical stories of Ancient kings got mixed and were declared as stories of Gods. But it is not like we started worshiping of historical heroes. Rama and Krishna were clearly mentioned as historical person.
@@TheVeganVicarNo. Please dont say such things. The great gods doesn't care about what we eat. If we are doing the right Upasana to the right intensity as well as uphold our Dharma, then that is enough. A person can be a ghor Adharmi and yet be a strict vegetarian (eg:Vegan Teacher)
Buddhist hostility was more hatred oriented and were quite abusive against Hindus like Abrahamic religions... not simply intellectual difference. Please call sanatan samiksha guys. They are doing excellent work on this with archaeological evidence, scriptures evidences,etc...If you are interested in Truth and honest history. Also astronomical date are quite accurate. Sanskrit shlokas are not that can be interpreted any way as you wanted. Nilesh Oak has worked extensively on it for 25 years of research. Please call him on debate. Not only he has calculated very precise date of Mahabharat but also, talks about geographical evidences clearly given in Ramayana. Sri Lanka was not the Ravana Lanka it is proven with evidences. Please call him. Also, our vedic and puranik gods were not historical figures which we started worshiping. This is weak arguments to justify puranic stories which give philosophies in allegorical manner as Historical stories. It just happened that we had kings who were also having similar names. And their story mixed up with deva 's allogories... this have given rise to several allogories which sound like historical evidences but still have typical unscientific miracle or such events. For example, Indra is clearly mentioned as Thunder and Rain God. At the same time there are some evidences that powerful king of Mahasmati kingdom, roughly present time Madhya Pradesh, was also known as Indra. We also have proven historical evidences that in older times kings and queen were known as deva and devis respectively. So it is simply that some historical stories of Ancient kings got mixed and were declared as stories of Gods. But it is not like we started worshiping of historical heroes. Rama and Krishna were clearly mentioned as historical person.
Wow! Isn’t this one of the most amazing talks on ancient Indian history ! What clarity and what breadth of knowledge! Spherical astronomy was my favourite subject in university, and am glad to see our much-maligned Jyothishastra coming to our rescue….
Buddhist hostility was more hatred oriented and were quite abusive against Hindus like Abrahamic religions... not simply intellectual difference. Please call sanatan samiksha guys. They are doing excellent work on this with archaeological evidence, scriptures evidences,etc...If you are interested in Truth and honest history. Also astronomical date are quite accurate. Sanskrit shlokas are not that can be interpreted any way as you wanted. Nilesh Oak has worked extensively on it for 25 years of research. Please call him on debate. Not only he has calculated very precise date of Mahabharat but also, talks about geographical evidences clearly given in Ramayana. Sri Lanka was not the Ravana Lanka it is proven with evidences. Please call him. Also, our vedic and puranik gods were not historical figures which we started worshiping. This is weak arguments to justify puranic stories which give philosophies in allegorical manner as Historical stories. It just happened that we had kings who were also having similar names. And their story mixed up with deva 's allogories... this have given rise to several allogories which sound like historical evidences but still have typical unscientific miracle or such events. For example, Indra is clearly mentioned as Thunder and Rain God. At the same time there are some evidences that powerful king of Mahasmati kingdom, roughly present time Madhya Pradesh, was also known as Indra. We also have proven historical evidences that in older times kings and queen were known as deva and devis respectively. So it is simply that some historical stories of Ancient kings got mixed and were declared as stories of Gods. But it is not like we started worshiping of historical heroes. Rama and Krishna were clearly mentioned as historical person.
00:00:00 Introduction. 00:00:48 1. What are the problems of the currently accepted chronology of Indian history? 00:08:20 2. Why don't we have standards to be a historian in India? (Many mistakes of Indian historians - e.g. Toolkit of colonial archaeologist, Speculations in using Bronze Age and Iron Age, Many claims of forgery, Circular reasoning of the Christian Era, Indo-Greek kings and Alexander chronology, Mahabharata.) 00:33:42 3. So how do we fix the date of the Mahabharata? (Answer goes into - Theravada Buddhism, Different Kings named Ashoka, Short chronology vs Long chronology, Adi Shankara was in the 6th century bc, Different Kings named Chandra Guptha, Problems Greek Dates. 00:45:56 - Mahabharata) 00:51:09 4. What is the chronology from the Vedic age until emperor Vikramaditya? (00:54:40 Documentary by VedVeer Arya is possibly - ua-cam.com/video/c1OsgyDj1k8/v-deo.html) (00:58:30 Ramayana, 01:23:40 Avesta by Zoroaster) 01:28:07 5. How long would the Kali Yuga last? 01:34:55 6. Comment on Indian history going back to 16,500 ± 250 years. (01:36:00 No tradition of fiction in India except Panchatantra.) 01:36:36 7. How can the Govt. help fix this misinterpretation of History? सत्यमेव जयते
The most important books written by Sir Vedveer Arya - 1.Chronology of India - Manu to Mahabharat vol 1 2.Chronology of India - Mahabharat to Mediaeval era vol 2 3.Origin of Christian Era - Fact or Fiction Must Read books to understand the chronology and actual history !!! Thank you Abhijit sir for this enlightening session of History ..Warm wishes 🙏
Thank you Sir for introducing such a great and original historian to us. It is astonishing to see the amount of serious research he has done amid his heavy administrative duties ! Such personalities make us even prouder about India and Indians. Pranams to Vedveer Arya ji.
If gold can be converted into digital and "knowledge full" format, this video will be what we get! Absolute Invaluable podcast, it cleared several doubts I had plus amazed me by the timelines and podcast for me ended by making me wonder about our history and to imagine it, What I have learnt today just remains to be seeked to get closer to our reality...our history! Thanks Abhijit sir for this gift of fruitful knowledge .
40:53 shocked to know that chandragupta maurya did not become jain the one who started following jain traditions was from ujjain 😮. My gotra is vatsa 😎
Abhijit ji sir I've read a lot of Hindu and other literature but truly what you are exposing us to is like ocean of real knowledge. How can we ever repay you💐
Absolutely loved the video. Have been a fan of Vedveer Arya ji since i saw him on jaipur dialogues and now you inviting him is a treat to the ears. You are setting the narrative in a very smooth way and on a large scale.😊
Nilesh Oak vs Vedveer Arya: Debate and Brainstorming session needed. Both use astronomical contexts and references in our ancient literature, yet give different dates.
I am so so much inspired from Sir...one thing I learnt from him more than anything else is to be the Best in the field that you choose to take in one's life! He chose chronology and he Aced it!!! Thank you Abhijit Sir for this wonderful session ...Saadar pranaams to both!
Bless you for introducing me to another level of confusion in my own understanding of our history. Vedveer Arya has my respect. I do look forward to read his work to find better bearings for being closer to Satya!!! Blessings from Rawalpindi, Pakistan!
Very insightful podcast, sure looking forward to check Sir Vedveer's other videos and books too. But want to bring up here wrt Ramayana dates, very recently heard Nilesh Oak ji video on Ramayana dating that is different. Abhijit Sir, a much needed brainstorming session to clarify this dating.
Great discussion. Thank you Abhijit. Before Sri VedVeer Arya, there was lot of research was done by Pt. Kota Venkatachalam & wrote (in 1950s) his work on our Chronology in 6 or 7 volumes. All his books are available on "archive.org". His book also pointed out ~1300 years missing (Buddha's date) due to western distortions. Vedveer is incorrect to say that he alone fixed chronology.
Not really , Vedveer ji considers Kota Venkatachalam gaaru as his mentor . Kota ji considered the ancient Saka epoch as Cyrus era ( 550 BCE ) . However it's 583 BCE as per Vedveer ji. Actually there's a 660 year error in Western chronology as per him . Also Kota Ji's date of Malava Gana samvat is 725 BCE . As per Vedveer ji it's 719 BCE . There was another Vikramaditya of the gardhabilla dynasty who established the karthikaadi Vikrama Samvat / malava gana samvat in 719 BCE after driving out the Sakas . However ; yes almost until Gupta dynasty both their dates are almost same ( some 30- 40 years difference). The difference is from roughly the time of Chalukya dynasty. From Chalukya dynasty Kota ji's chronology is almost the same as British historians. Vedveer ji says even Chalukya, Vijayanagara , Moghul etc also have a chronology error of approx 660 years. Again , these are just my thoughts 🙏 !!
@@ChidVanhi He didn't though? He actually said in the video he isn't the first one to look into the chronology of India with a different perspective. That's an admission of referring to prior works for his own research. Where did you hear him proclaiming he's the 1st?
Thank you Abhijit sir for inviting such a hardworking and passionate historian Vedveer sir. Only a bold future PM like Yogi Ji can settle our textbooks history problem once and for all.
wow.. this has been mind boggling. How is Mr. Vedveer able to remember ALL that knowledge--not just the Sanatani texts, but Buddhist, Jainism, Greek, Burmese, Sri Lankan..etc. Amazing. Hats off
I am speechless... This is gem... Now I understand, why I never felt history interesting, we actually didn't have Vedveer Arya ji and Avijit Chavda sir...❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you vedveer sir for your enlightening and satisfactory explanation about our whole chronology ....also thank you abhijeet sir for arranging such a beautiful podcast...
THIS PODCAST IS LIKE A WORMHOLE filled WITH knowledge.I was PREJUDICE of mahabharata and RAMAYANA but I LIKE TO genuinely THANK YOU ABHIJIT brother and VEDVEER ARYA sir .
Please undertake a research of various temple inscriptions and engravings in tamilnadu ...apart from temples ..there also potential archeological sites of immense value in tamilnadu. ..and bordering areas in andhra Kerala and karnataka ... Somehow the ASI. has not focussed much on this region... Fortunately this area is not much destroyed with invasions .. Do before they get dilapidated .. The local govts will be keen only if they suit thier political narratives... But these are immense treasures ...the locals themselves don't hv the skill to decipher the script. .though it is in local language ..
Such a scientific, factual and logical explanation. It shows how much you must have studied our ancient manuscripts. Thank you so much sir for clearing up the mess of chronology🙏 Thank you abhijit sir for this fantastic episode 🙏
Thank you so much for bringing such a gem on your show unraveling the actual history and time lines of our civilization from his extensive research by various means. He truely values our history and civilization, and not bowing down to the colonialist imperialists. He is a realist and demistifies the fairly tale mythology and explaines who these people in our mythology actually were and that they were real humans. I despirately wanted to have an answer to this question all my life, it was always irriated with the fact that there was no source for getting to know that actual truth. I will difinately refer to his books someday which can be one of the greatest treasure anyone can have. I am so glad I found this podcast, keep bring more such gems on your show.
#AskAbhijit Hello Sir you can call me Nihon. You told us about the very less known blitzers doctrine of America, under which they don't want any country to grow beyond a certain level, and if any country did then they will destroy it. So my question is if the closest allies of usa like UK, Canada, France or Germany grow beyond a certain level will usa destroy them, and if America have such doctrine then why did they allowed China go grow so much.
The UK, Germany, Canada are saturated economies, they can't grow the difference between them and the American economies. And China was the monster America made for USSR but they later bit them only, also its very difficult to do regime change operations in countries like China, where you can't do propaganda warfare, or even can't get any open source informant also!
Sadar Pranaam Guruji..🙏🏻 Thankyou , because of guru abhijit , we have been acquainted with a class of intellectuals, historians, that are not so visible in the limelight of Marxist historians or intellectuals. ❤
Excellent saying, Historian must know Sanskrit and history is chronological and not a false narratives. Really got a different dimension of history not only hidden but chronology and how western has laid down with blind faith
Everytime he say "then we had no answer" it feels he is telling my story. The knowledge, the research I do in our history is 70% because someones ask me something and I had no idea and every time I get answer, it's always better than what they were trying to brainwash. I feel pity for people who are easy to brainwash.
You are right, I too feel it sometimes, when you study something deeply enough and develop your intellect to a certain place, and can control your emotions while doing it, then it's extremely hard to manipulate you, but at the same time you realize that 99% people aren't like that.
He is posted much higher than a teacher... He is a civil servant clearing upsc... But yes you're right we need a new generation of history teachers who are aware of these things
This video gives a lot of answers to so many long standing questions in Indians mind, we must all read vedveer arya ji books and share his knowledge to all indians
Never heard of Vedveer Arya but what a treasure trove of knowledge he is. I was simply awestruck with the facts he is spitting. He connected every possible dot there is.
ज्ञानवर्धक संवाद था आप दो लोगों के बीच । भारत के ज्ञानपरमपरा को आगे ले जाते हुए भारत के किसी ज्ञानी व्यक्ति को इस जगत की कालगणना की पुनर्रचना करनी चाहिए । और ये काम सिर्फ भारत ही विश्व को दे सकता है ।
Omg! This has to be the MOST enlightening hour of my life! Thank you so much! I hope with time people realize what this video actually is and how precious it is! God bless both you scholars !
Mr. Vedveer has been excellent and very convincing in his arguments and compelled me to buy his books but also made me think that the claims made by Mr. John Hancock's on ancient history could be correct as the knowledge of astronomy across the world was well known and all the structures made in that ancient era were based on the astronomy.
Another eye opening & correcting to our history by chronology wise related podcast done by abhijit sir with the Invited guest arya sir.... Till the time ur each & every podcast are packed of indepth Knowledgeing & real authentic informations relates to numerous topics ..we were always greatful to u abhijit sir & all the respective fellows whose cames to the sessions to explained the Unrevaling & untouched zones from our culture & felts blessed to be part of such type of podcast . Tq so much respected sirs & abhijit sir for back to back enlightening sessions...we will always looking forwards for such type of contents.....keep to continue it....😍😍😍😍👍👍👍👍
But what about those four tusked elephants guarding ravana’s palace ? When do we date them ? 6000 BCE of Ramayanam and the dates of 4 tusked elephants don’t seem to sync .
To all the people asking for a comparison between the timelines given by Vedveer Arya and other indic historians esp. Nilesh Oak, we need to understand the all of them are approaching the same problem from different angles. It's been just 20-35 years since serious research on this topic has come to light.Plus the resistance created by 'mainstream' historians. It will take a lot more time to arrive at a conclusion. Any debate/discussion at this stage is unnecessary and ill-timed.
#askabhijit How did English and other west scientist, mathematician and inventors used Indian science to proclaim it to be their own findings. Example Newton stoled calculus from Indian mathematicians
Newton developed calculus independently from the Kerala school of mathematics. Two individuals can come up to the same theory independently, albeit in different timeframes. You need evidence to prove that Newton had Indian treatises at his disposal, and the mechanism that he would have used to derive those principles from India has to be discovered. Until then, such claims are implausible at best, and stupid at worst.
@@abhimanyugaur7327 There is a great chance that the calculus like several Indian knowledge source travelled to europe through arabic trade routes. After studying it Newton wrote its own thesis. He was British after all and the amount of treasure, artifacts and useful took from India is beyond comparison. Even Arabs gave credits to Hindu scriptures on maths but europeans hardly. So without proper investigation don't try give free charge to British.
The problem here is selective application of logic and inferences, like using copper plate inscriptions for decoding chronology, but leaving out other proofs of equal importance. There are several Greek temples ( Temple of Zeus, Apollo Temple, etc.) , and their standing remains in and around Greece and Egypt, which are dated by archeologists, scientists and historians in and around 400 Bc, Hellenistic era. There are thousands of coins of the Greek civilization including those by Alexander the Great as well as from the Indo Greek Civilization around Gujarat, which have been dated appropriately, linking to Alexander and Augustus. Even if the error of carbon dating is around 50 100 years, it doesn't account for a discrepancy of 650 years. There are inscriptions about the Ancient Olympics themselves from 700 Bc to 400Ad. All these aspects can't be ignored while we try to get answers to Indian history. More work needs to be done in Sarnath, Kosambi with an open mind to understand exact dates of Mauryas or Buddha, if doubts are ro be removed.
Ved veer aryaji is reasonable After BUDDHA Chronologically . He should not really assert for before that . Surya siddhanta is said to be 75,000 years ago or somewhere there . Researchers should be very OPEN about it . Across the table opinions, research, evidence etc must take place rather than one sided .
One thing is for sure. This guy is the master of his art. He means business with every single statement, absolutely no hiccups. He possess a rare clarity in speech that many people lack in his field.
0:00 Introduction
0:48 On the main problems in current Indian chronology.
8:52 On the need of learning sanskrit, pali and prakrit to be qualified as an Indian historian.
11:10 Importance of chronology
12:28 Importance of archaeoastronomy
13:05 Fallacy of "bronze age, Iron age" etc
14:40 Continuation of the discussion on problems of Indian chronology.
21:58 Vijayanagara Inscriptions
23:20 How the adoption of 78 AD as the epoch of Shaka era affected the entire world chronology.
27:36 Popularity of Indian astronomy in the West.
29:12 Fallacy of using 1 AD as an historical epoch
30:27 Greeks in Afghanistan before Alexander.
33:43 Fixing the date Buddha Nirvana, Kalasoka, Maurya Ashoka, Adi Shankaracharya etc.
39:00 Main reason for the errors in Indian chronology- mixing of Shaka and Shakanta era.
41:33 How World chronology is interlinked with Indian chronology.
44:14 How Indian and Greek chronology are linked
48:04 Hindu Buddhist relations
51:12 Chronology from Vedic Age to Vikramaditya
54:00 Fixing dates of different yugas
54:50 Mayasura Suryasiddhanta - the key to the dating of different yugas
1:02:45 How the Suryasiddhanta travelled to the West.
1:04:19 Beginning of the Vedic Astrological Tradition.
1:20:19 The need for a Chronology department in universities.
1:21:18 Solution to all Chronological problems
1:22:25 Ridiculous "Biblical chronology"
1:28:08 Duration of Kaliyuga - real meaning of yugas
1:39:48 The End
Thanks bro
@@adityaraj2001 🙏 welcome
Thanks for this mate, god bless haha
Thank you
Thank you very much, Sudip!
This is going to be an amazing session.....thanks Abhijit ji for inviting Vedveer Arya ji....looking forward to this enlightening conversation....🙏
The best 1 hour 40 minutes and 18 seconds of my Life this has cleared and gave satisfactory answers to my questions regarding any religion and civilisation. I feel blessed and privelaged to be able to get this humongous amount of knowledge in the luxory of my home . Thanks from the bottom of my heart I wish to hear more from Vedveer Arya Ji .🙏
😇अहिंसा परमो धर्म 😇
Ahimsa paramo dharma
(“non-harm is the HIGHEST religious principle” or “non-violence is the GREATEST law”).
Therefore, only a strict VEGAN can claim to be an adherent of the eternal religion (sanātana dharma).🌱
Buddhist hostility was more hatred oriented and were quite abusive against Hindus like Abrahamic religions... not simply intellectual difference.
Please call sanatan samiksha guys. They are doing excellent work on this with archaeological evidence, scriptures evidences,etc...If you are interested in Truth and honest history.
Also astronomical date are quite accurate.
Sanskrit shlokas are not that can be interpreted any way as you wanted.
Nilesh Oak has worked extensively on it for 25 years of research.
Please call him on debate.
Not only he has calculated very precise date of Mahabharat but also, talks about geographical evidences clearly given in Ramayana.
Sri Lanka was not the Ravana Lanka it is proven with evidences.
Please call him.
Also, our vedic and puranik gods were not historical figures which we started worshiping. This is weak arguments to justify puranic stories which give philosophies in allegorical manner as
Historical stories.
It just happened that we had kings who were also having similar names. And their story mixed up with deva 's allogories... this have given rise to several allogories which sound like historical evidences but still have typical unscientific miracle or such events.
For example, Indra is clearly mentioned as Thunder and Rain God.
At the same time there are some evidences that powerful king of Mahasmati kingdom, roughly present time Madhya Pradesh, was also known as Indra.
We also have proven historical evidences that in older times kings and queen were known as deva and devis respectively.
So it is simply that some historical stories of Ancient kings got mixed and were declared as stories of Gods.
But it is not like we started worshiping of historical heroes. Rama and Krishna were clearly mentioned as historical person.
@@chandra_himanshu, Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@TheVeganVicarNo. Please dont say such things. The great gods doesn't care about what we eat. If we are doing the right Upasana to the right intensity as well as uphold our Dharma, then that is enough. A person can be a ghor Adharmi and yet be a strict vegetarian (eg:Vegan Teacher)
@@buddha9715, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
I listened him on Jaipur dialogues on missing 1380 years from Indian history.
Great intellectual.
It was first pointed out by Kota Venkatachalam's book "Chronology of India" written in 1950s
@@ChidVanhi who took him seriously till date
I don't take it seriously . I don't accept it data
Buddhist hostility was more hatred oriented and were quite abusive against Hindus like Abrahamic religions... not simply intellectual difference.
Please call sanatan samiksha guys. They are doing excellent work on this with archaeological evidence, scriptures evidences,etc...If you are interested in Truth and honest history.
Also astronomical date are quite accurate.
Sanskrit shlokas are not that can be interpreted any way as you wanted.
Nilesh Oak has worked extensively on it for 25 years of research.
Please call him on debate.
Not only he has calculated very precise date of Mahabharat but also, talks about geographical evidences clearly given in Ramayana.
Sri Lanka was not the Ravana Lanka it is proven with evidences.
Please call him.
Also, our vedic and puranik gods were not historical figures which we started worshiping. This is weak arguments to justify puranic stories which give philosophies in allegorical manner as
Historical stories.
It just happened that we had kings who were also having similar names. And their story mixed up with deva 's allogories... this have given rise to several allogories which sound like historical evidences but still have typical unscientific miracle or such events.
For example, Indra is clearly mentioned as Thunder and Rain God.
At the same time there are some evidences that powerful king of Mahasmati kingdom, roughly present time Madhya Pradesh, was also known as Indra.
We also have proven historical evidences that in older times kings and queen were known as deva and devis respectively.
So it is simply that some historical stories of Ancient kings got mixed and were declared as stories of Gods.
But it is not like we started worshiping of historical heroes. Rama and Krishna were clearly mentioned as historical person.
@@aniruddhbahuguna5462Even if the evidence says that truth you won't accept it. That is how brain washing works.
Wow! Isn’t this one of the most amazing talks on ancient Indian history ! What clarity and what breadth of knowledge! Spherical astronomy was my favourite subject in university, and am glad to see our much-maligned Jyothishastra coming to our rescue….
Haa great joke
Buddhist hostility was more hatred oriented and were quite abusive against Hindus like Abrahamic religions... not simply intellectual difference.
Please call sanatan samiksha guys. They are doing excellent work on this with archaeological evidence, scriptures evidences,etc...If you are interested in Truth and honest history.
Also astronomical date are quite accurate.
Sanskrit shlokas are not that can be interpreted any way as you wanted.
Nilesh Oak has worked extensively on it for 25 years of research.
Please call him on debate.
Not only he has calculated very precise date of Mahabharat but also, talks about geographical evidences clearly given in Ramayana.
Sri Lanka was not the Ravana Lanka it is proven with evidences.
Please call him.
Also, our vedic and puranik gods were not historical figures which we started worshiping. This is weak arguments to justify puranic stories which give philosophies in allegorical manner as
Historical stories.
It just happened that we had kings who were also having similar names. And their story mixed up with deva 's allogories... this have given rise to several allogories which sound like historical evidences but still have typical unscientific miracle or such events.
For example, Indra is clearly mentioned as Thunder and Rain God.
At the same time there are some evidences that powerful king of Mahasmati kingdom, roughly present time Madhya Pradesh, was also known as Indra.
We also have proven historical evidences that in older times kings and queen were known as deva and devis respectively.
So it is simply that some historical stories of Ancient kings got mixed and were declared as stories of Gods.
But it is not like we started worshiping of historical heroes. Rama and Krishna were clearly mentioned as historical person.
00:00:00 Introduction.
00:00:48 1. What are the problems of the currently accepted chronology of Indian history?
00:08:20 2. Why don't we have standards to be a historian in India?
(Many mistakes of Indian historians - e.g. Toolkit of colonial archaeologist, Speculations in using Bronze Age and Iron Age, Many claims of forgery, Circular reasoning of the Christian Era, Indo-Greek kings and Alexander chronology, Mahabharata.)
00:33:42 3. So how do we fix the date of the Mahabharata?
(Answer goes into - Theravada Buddhism, Different Kings named Ashoka, Short chronology vs Long chronology, Adi Shankara was in the 6th century bc, Different Kings named Chandra Guptha, Problems Greek Dates. 00:45:56 - Mahabharata)
00:51:09 4. What is the chronology from the Vedic age until emperor Vikramaditya?
(00:54:40 Documentary by VedVeer Arya is possibly - ua-cam.com/video/c1OsgyDj1k8/v-deo.html)
(00:58:30 Ramayana, 01:23:40 Avesta by Zoroaster)
01:28:07 5. How long would the Kali Yuga last?
01:34:55 6. Comment on Indian history going back to 16,500 ± 250 years.
(01:36:00 No tradition of fiction in India except Panchatantra.)
01:36:36 7. How can the Govt. help fix this misinterpretation of History?
सत्यमेव जयते
Thank you very much!
@@AbhijitChavda My pleasure.
The most important books written by Sir Vedveer Arya -
1.Chronology of India - Manu to Mahabharat vol 1
2.Chronology of India - Mahabharat to Mediaeval era vol 2
3.Origin of Christian Era - Fact or Fiction
Must Read books to understand the chronology and actual history !!!
Thank you Abhijit sir for this enlightening session of History ..Warm wishes 🙏
"Modern historians are the cheerleader of the colonial rulers" Epic
Even today these so called historians are bootlicker of west bcs they want there kids to settle in west or malich land
🤣🤣 it's on point
Thanks!
Thank you Sir for introducing such a great and original historian to us. It is astonishing to see the amount of serious research he has done amid his heavy administrative duties ! Such personalities make us even prouder about India and Indians. Pranams to Vedveer Arya ji.
Wow! I am speechless.
My Sadar Naman to Vedveer Arya Ji!
Two Wise Intellectuals, Great Wisdom and Knowledge. Jai Sri Ram! Jai Bharat
If gold can be converted into digital and "knowledge full" format, this video will be what we get!
Absolute Invaluable podcast, it cleared several doubts I had plus amazed me by the timelines and podcast for me ended by making me wonder about our history and to imagine it, What I have learnt today just remains to be seeked to get closer to our reality...our history!
Thanks Abhijit sir for this gift of fruitful knowledge .
Such a learned person..we need him to question our history
Wonderful to see Vedveer Arya ji here!
40:53 shocked to know that chandragupta maurya did not become jain the one who started following jain traditions was from ujjain 😮. My gotra is vatsa 😎
Mine is Vatsa too
Abhijit ji sir I've read a lot of Hindu and other literature but truly what you are exposing us to is like ocean of real knowledge. How can we ever repay you💐
Absolutely loved the video. Have been a fan of Vedveer Arya ji since i saw him on jaipur dialogues and now you inviting him is a treat to the ears. You are setting the narrative in a very smooth way and on a large scale.😊
Sir truly live upto his name, he truly is 'Vedveer'.
Nilesh Oak vs Vedveer Arya: Debate and Brainstorming session needed. Both use astronomical contexts and references in our ancient literature, yet give different dates.
Yes a much needed discussion.
I do think vedveer got it right
After listening to ved veer arya sir i am compelled to read his books 📚📚📚
I am so so much inspired from Sir...one thing I learnt from him more than anything else is to be the Best in the field that you choose to take in one's life! He chose chronology and he Aced it!!! Thank you Abhijit Sir for this wonderful session ...Saadar pranaams to both!
Much awaited session. Eagerly waiting.. 🤩🤩
Bless you for introducing me to another level of confusion in my own understanding of our history. Vedveer Arya has my respect. I do look forward to read his work to find better bearings for being closer to Satya!!!
Blessings from Rawalpindi, Pakistan!
Very insightful podcast, sure looking forward to check Sir Vedveer's other videos and books too. But want to bring up here wrt Ramayana dates, very recently heard Nilesh Oak ji video on Ramayana dating that is different. Abhijit Sir, a much needed brainstorming session to clarify this dating.
Great discussion. Thank you Abhijit.
Before Sri VedVeer Arya, there was lot of research was done by Pt. Kota Venkatachalam & wrote (in 1950s) his work on our Chronology in 6 or 7 volumes. All his books are available on "archive.org". His book also pointed out ~1300 years missing (Buddha's date) due to western distortions. Vedveer is incorrect to say that he alone fixed chronology.
Not really , Vedveer ji considers Kota Venkatachalam gaaru as his mentor .
Kota ji considered the ancient Saka epoch as Cyrus era ( 550 BCE ) . However it's 583 BCE as per Vedveer ji. Actually there's a 660 year error in Western chronology as per him .
Also Kota Ji's date of Malava Gana samvat is 725 BCE . As per Vedveer ji it's 719 BCE . There was another Vikramaditya of the gardhabilla dynasty who established the karthikaadi Vikrama Samvat / malava gana samvat in 719 BCE after driving out the Sakas .
However ; yes almost until Gupta dynasty both their dates are almost same ( some 30- 40 years difference).
The difference is from roughly the time of Chalukya dynasty. From Chalukya dynasty Kota ji's chronology is almost the same as British historians. Vedveer ji says even Chalukya, Vijayanagara , Moghul etc also have a chronology error of approx 660 years.
Again , these are just my thoughts 🙏 !!
@@abhijithiyengar3262 Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.
@@ChidVanhi He didn't though? He actually said in the video he isn't the first one to look into the chronology of India with a different perspective. That's an admission of referring to prior works for his own research. Where did you hear him proclaiming he's the 1st?
Great session but I have to go through this session again as I can't digest lots of knowledge in one day
Go and watch vedveer arya documentary available on UA-cam.
Thank you Abhijit sir for inviting such a hardworking and passionate historian Vedveer sir. Only a bold future PM like Yogi Ji can settle our textbooks history problem once and for all.
These astronomical topics are very difficult. I am watching it again
wow.. this has been mind boggling. How is Mr. Vedveer able to remember ALL that knowledge--not just the Sanatani texts, but Buddhist, Jainism, Greek, Burmese, Sri Lankan..etc. Amazing. Hats off
Solute to such a great Indian civil officer.indic minded person in this service is very rare
I have read The Chronicles of India: From Manu to Mahabharata 😃
One of the best podcast topic I have come across in recent days. 👍Great podcast with Vedveer arya sir.
I am speechless... This is gem... Now I understand, why I never felt history interesting, we actually didn't have Vedveer Arya ji and Avijit Chavda sir...❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you vedveer sir for your enlightening and satisfactory explanation about our whole chronology ....also thank you abhijeet sir for arranging such a beautiful podcast...
THIS PODCAST IS LIKE A WORMHOLE filled WITH knowledge.I was PREJUDICE of mahabharata and RAMAYANA but I LIKE TO genuinely THANK YOU ABHIJIT brother and VEDVEER ARYA sir .
Please undertake a research of various temple inscriptions and engravings in tamilnadu ...apart from temples ..there also potential archeological sites of immense value in tamilnadu. ..and bordering areas in andhra Kerala and karnataka ...
Somehow the ASI. has not focussed much on this region...
Fortunately this area is not much destroyed with invasions ..
Do before they get dilapidated ..
The local govts will be keen only if they suit thier political narratives...
But these are immense treasures ...the locals themselves don't hv the skill to decipher the script. .though it is in local language ..
Such a scientific, factual and logical explanation. It shows how much you must have studied our ancient manuscripts. Thank you so much sir for clearing up the mess of chronology🙏
Thank you abhijit sir for this fantastic episode 🙏
Moms boggling session 🙏🏻
How can Vedveer ji retain so much info in his head ? 👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Knowledge can be earned easily until u concentrate on learning with ekagrata
Thank you so much for bringing such a gem on your show unraveling the actual history and time lines of our civilization from his extensive research by various means. He truely values our history and civilization, and not bowing down to the colonialist imperialists. He is a realist and demistifies the fairly tale mythology and explaines who these people in our mythology actually were and that they were real humans. I despirately wanted to have an answer to this question all my life, it was always irriated with the fact that there was no source for getting to know that actual truth. I will difinately refer to his books someday which can be one of the greatest treasure anyone can have. I am so glad I found this podcast, keep bring more such gems on your show.
Yes Abhijit... a fab show❤️
#AskAbhijit Hello Sir you can call me Nihon. You told us about the very less known blitzers doctrine of America, under which they don't want any country to grow beyond a certain level, and if any country did then they will destroy it. So my question is if the closest allies of usa like UK, Canada, France or Germany grow beyond a certain level will usa destroy them, and if America have such doctrine then why did they allowed China go grow so much.
The UK, Germany, Canada are saturated economies, they can't grow the difference between them and the American economies.
And China was the monster America made for USSR but they later bit them only, also its very difficult to do regime change operations in countries like China, where you can't do propaganda warfare, or even can't get any open source informant also!
日本 your name lol 😅
Agree with you both
Need courage and conviction !
सत्यमेव जयते 🙏
Thanks 🙏
Ved Veer Arya is an IDAS officer 🙏🏻 Sir plz also bring shrikant Talageri , Dr.Neeraj Rai , Mr Vasant Shinde
*Correction - He is an IDAS (Indian Defence Accounts Service) officer.
Rajiv malhotra
Dr. Neeraj Rai have already been here (check sir's 14th podcast)
Neeraj rai is already done.
+ Srinivasan Kalyanaraman + Nilesh Oak
धन्यवाद तथा ह्रदय से आभार. 🙏🍀
Sadar Pranaam Guruji..🙏🏻
Thankyou , because of guru abhijit , we have been acquainted with a class of intellectuals, historians, that are not so visible in the limelight of Marxist historians or intellectuals.
❤
IDK why but somehow i ACTUALLY complete listening to any podcast relating to history!
There’s some formidable research here. I went and bought his (kindle) books (Vol 1 & 2) straight away.
Gotra is quite prevalent in Eastern India. No Puja can be done without knowing gotra.
Also please consider Saraswati rivers description
Excellent saying, Historian must know Sanskrit and history is chronological and not a false narratives.
Really got a different dimension of history not only hidden but chronology and how western has laid down with blind faith
Noo. ,only if he studying about ancient literature.
Wow, this is incredible and abosolutely priveilge to listen both of you. Thank you very much @Abhijit ji.
Superb discussion! Thank you @abhijitchavda and Dr Vedveer Arya🙏🏼🙏🏼
A profound session 🙏
Everytime he say "then we had no answer" it feels he is telling my story. The knowledge, the research I do in our history is 70% because someones ask me something and I had no idea and every time I get answer, it's always better than what they were trying to brainwash. I feel pity for people who are easy to brainwash.
You are right, I too feel it sometimes, when you study something deeply enough and develop your intellect to a certain place, and can control your emotions while doing it, then it's extremely hard to manipulate you, but at the same time you realize that 99% people aren't like that.
@@rushtyin318 I pity those, who are easy to manipulate.
Y dont govt hire such person to teach history in school college, give best salary to teachers n hire best person to teach.
He is posted much higher than a teacher... He is a civil servant clearing upsc... But yes you're right we need a new generation of history teachers who are aware of these things
Sir Keep doing regular sessions with Vedveer Arya there is more to learn here.
This video gives a lot of answers to so many long standing questions in Indians mind, we must all read vedveer arya ji books and share his knowledge to all indians
I learnt so much! Thank you Gurujis!
I heard it second time, after several nonths. Absolutely mind blowing
Never heard of Vedveer Arya but what a treasure trove of knowledge he is. I was simply awestruck with the facts he is spitting. He connected every possible dot there is.
What a depth of knowledge! Real deep research.
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Finally... always waiting for the interviews.kepp it up sir..👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
ज्ञानवर्धक संवाद था आप दो लोगों के बीच । भारत के ज्ञानपरमपरा को आगे ले जाते हुए भारत के किसी ज्ञानी व्यक्ति को इस जगत की कालगणना की पुनर्रचना करनी चाहिए । और ये काम सिर्फ भारत ही विश्व को दे सकता है ।
Always love to listen to Abhijit Sir’s show
We were eagerly waiting for VED VEER ARYA ji 🙏🙏🙏 in Abhijit sir's channel 👍👍 GLORY TO THE "ETERNAL" Indian Civilization 🙏🙏🇮🇳🇮🇳
Like for abhijit sir, great work.he is wikipedia of indian history. Salute to him🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I have purchased the book today.
Thank you Abhijit & Vedveer for bringing up such important details in our history.
Happy to hear the Shout-Out for another eye-opening UA-cam Channel - The Jaipur Dialogues.
Omg! This has to be the MOST enlightening hour of my life! Thank you so much! I hope with time people realize what this video actually is and how precious it is! God bless both you scholars !
Mr. Vedveer has been excellent and very convincing in his arguments and compelled me to buy his books but also made me think that the claims made by Mr. John Hancock's on ancient history could be correct as the knowledge of astronomy across the world was well known and all the structures made in that ancient era were based on the astronomy.
Superb! What a wonderful, educative podcast.
Such a distinguished guest!🙏
Mindboggling, commendable work sir,Jai Hind Jai Bharat 🙏
Lovely 🌹🙏 to bring ved veer aryaji .
Now bring NILESH NILKANTH OAK ALSO 🌹🙏🌹🙏
SAADHUWAAD ABHIJITJI
Thanks Sir for inviting Vedveer Arya ji, Request you to invite Praveen Mohan ji on your show.
He's so much educated, much holding degrees & even forming it for the nation 🇮🇳💯
Noo
This video gets intense as intense add it progresses, such a master of history and chronology! This needs to be concluded and added to our textbooks!
Another eye opening & correcting to our history by chronology wise related podcast done by abhijit sir with the Invited guest arya sir.... Till the time ur each & every podcast are packed of indepth Knowledgeing & real authentic informations relates to numerous topics ..we were always greatful to u abhijit sir & all the respective fellows whose cames to the sessions to explained the Unrevaling & untouched zones from our culture & felts blessed to be part of such type of podcast . Tq so much respected sirs & abhijit sir for back to back enlightening sessions...we will always looking forwards for such type of contents.....keep to continue it....😍😍😍😍👍👍👍👍
Thank you Abhijit Sir 🙏🙏 Very detailed and eye opening session 🙏
But what about those four tusked elephants guarding ravana’s palace ? When do we date them ? 6000 BCE of Ramayanam and the dates of 4 tusked elephants don’t seem to sync .
How do we relate all scriptures to this chronology? Shiva, Indra comes in Mahabharata as well and Hanuman in mahabharata
I didn't understand but I'm trying to. I really like these conversations ☺️
ua-cam.com/video/qMqOLigdOy4/v-deo.html
What a brilliant man ved veer arya ji being a chronologist is no easy job
To all the people asking for a comparison between the timelines given by Vedveer Arya and other indic historians esp. Nilesh Oak, we need to understand the all of them are approaching the same problem from different angles. It's been just 20-35 years since serious research on this topic has come to light.Plus the resistance created by 'mainstream' historians. It will take a lot more time to arrive at a conclusion. Any debate/discussion at this stage is unnecessary and ill-timed.
This is heavily loaded knowledge about the chronology of the world history 🥺
Wow, this is a massive information bomb💣
Best discription sir hats off
But don't forget that Romila Thapar is a Communist and had a staunch echo system to support, though she only has an English background.
#askabhijit How did English and other west scientist, mathematician and inventors used Indian science to proclaim it to be their own findings.
Example Newton stoled calculus from Indian mathematicians
Newton developed calculus independently from the Kerala school of mathematics. Two individuals can come up to the same theory independently, albeit in different timeframes. You need evidence to prove that Newton had Indian treatises at his disposal, and the mechanism that he would have used to derive those principles from India has to be discovered. Until then, such claims are implausible at best, and stupid at worst.
@@abhimanyugaur7327 There is a great chance that the calculus like several Indian knowledge source travelled to europe through arabic trade routes.
After studying it Newton wrote its own thesis.
He was British after all and the amount of treasure, artifacts and useful took from India is beyond comparison.
Even Arabs gave credits to Hindu scriptures on maths but europeans hardly.
So without proper investigation don't try give free charge to British.
The problem here is selective application of logic and inferences, like using copper plate inscriptions for decoding chronology, but leaving out other proofs of equal importance.
There are several Greek temples ( Temple of Zeus, Apollo Temple, etc.) , and their standing remains in and around Greece and Egypt, which are dated by archeologists, scientists and historians in and around 400 Bc, Hellenistic era. There are thousands of coins of the Greek civilization including those by Alexander the Great as well as from the Indo Greek Civilization around Gujarat, which have been dated appropriately, linking to Alexander and Augustus.
Even if the error of carbon dating is around 50 100 years, it doesn't account for a discrepancy of 650 years.
There are inscriptions about the Ancient Olympics themselves from 700 Bc to 400Ad. All these aspects can't be ignored while we try to get answers to Indian history.
More work needs to be done in Sarnath, Kosambi with an open mind to understand exact dates of Mauryas or Buddha, if doubts are ro be removed.
ये चर्चा बहुत सटीक थी। 🙏🙏🙏
Ved veer aryaji is reasonable After BUDDHA Chronologically .
He should not really assert for before that . Surya siddhanta is said to be 75,000 years ago or somewhere there . Researchers should be very OPEN about it . Across the table opinions, research, evidence etc must take place rather than one sided .
One thing is for sure. This guy is the master of his art. He means business with every single statement, absolutely no hiccups. He possess a rare clarity in speech that many people lack in his field.
Man I need to sharpen my intellect most of these things are just flying over my head.
It was like a bag of chips I didn't want to stop eating. Amazing session. More power to you Abhijit Sir. Arya Sir all the best 👍
sir you should do podcast with John Mearsheimer on Ukraine
Ved veer sir gives good analogy.👍
I feel so sad that I had to miss the live premiere of the best podcast of this channel. This was amazing. ❤❤❤