Keir Starmer's Friday nights, and what to learn from the French election | Podcast #76
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Today we're chatting about the Tory attack line after Keir Starmer claimed on radio his plans to clock off by 6pm on Fridays when he gets into Downing Street.
Then, we take a look at the results of the first round of the French election, and what the UK can learn from it.
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Im uncertain if this episode holds affection towards podcasts and disdain towards noncery. Please clarify.
It’s fucking ridiculous, I don’t know what to think anymore.
if I've learned anything from Gaza coverage, anything short of an immediate and definitive condemnation is tacit endorsement
The silence says it all
to be fair to her she is catholic, she doesn’t want to get excommunicated does she
Given the unstable international situation, it can neither rule out or rule in any attitudes to nonces and/or podcasts at this point.
The Starmer story is the biggest non-starter I've seen since Barack Obama wore a tan suit. It reeks of desparation from anyone trying to treat it as a gotcha
New leader of the country understands work/life balance and respects his wife’s religious traditions. Oh, the horror.
why should we have to care about their religious traditions in relation to our opinions about the work hours of our prime minister?
I think what we're all learning from this lineup is that Laura is kinda very very good at this.
The UK press used to call out Labour for being anti-Jewish, now they're saying they're too Jewish. It's almost like it's all nonsense and they're just want to bash Labour.
Jews called out Labour for being anti-Jewish too. Wasn’t just the press
These kind of episodes really highlight how good of an leader Ava is. Wish she’d be in the middle more often.
Ava is such a good leader. And this trio has a much better balance of politics and banter than the usual three where it just goes off topic for far too much of the time
Found Ava's alt
@@freppers2666 sometimes that's exactly what I want though
No offence to the other guys but I really like this format, it’s still funny but much more brass tacks and informative.
Yeah when it’s the usual three it goes wildly off topic so much. Sure off topic every now and again make some jokes that is why it’s refreshing but normally it goes wildly off topic.
22:22 very interesting point Laura about neoliberals using progressive political language which has caused a backlash. Whilst not actually enacting progressive policies.
We need to shout this loud and clear - Starmer is not left wing
So if his government does turn out to be a flop, _don't blame the left_ - no matter how many times Farage and Tice try and claim left wing policies are the problem...
Great point, very aptly put.
You can see that sort of misplaced backlash everywhere online.
It's ironic that there's histrionics over Starmer's Friday evenings, given how indolent Boris Johnson was, especially how he was constantly on holiday.
This Ava lady is very good. Much better than most of the mainstream media here in Australia. Also has a lot more grace and class than most of them. Carry on with the good journalism.
Hate the Tories now having a problem with Keir's Friday night when Sunak previously admired him for it, AND because he likes to practice his families religion, they should be careful trying to use this as an attack line
Laura is awesome
I’m not sure the Tory prime ministers actually did any work. Boris was on holiday at the start of Covid and refused to come home. They famously had a wine fridge in the office. All those party gate parties (plus the ones we don’t know about).
I'm a minute in and they're already talking about politics. How am I supposed to be parasocial with this?
I do enjoy hearing Ava's thunderous claps from those mammoth mitts
💀 💀 💀 I wish I could wake up next to her in the morning
You need big hands to hold up the podcast as much as her 😅
ngl Ava is a sphinx of a woman
Nice to see a politics Joe podcast episode about politics for once
3:07 "he was a gay man so he had a lot to..." "atone for?" SEAN, PRIDE MONTH JUST ENDED.
exactly. back in the closet everyone! 11 months of hail marys till the next one
I was showering while this was playing and I heard the firealarm and jumped out almost went head first into the wall thanks guys 😂😂😂
Angela Raynor needs to stay. She's the last carrier of the left wing flame at this point.
0:49 This is not a big story but is not a complete none story either - it is in fact definitely a positive one for Labour. Keir is very controlling about what he opens up about particularly in regard to his his family. The reason he talked about spending his friday nights with his wife and family is because he calculated, correctly, that it makes him look more normal, more relatable, a decent 'family man', something other than a politics obsessed robot. Do you really think any floating voters undecided between Labour or Tory are going vote Tory because Rishi Sunak has promised to be working hard on a friday nights and NOT spending time with his family??? The story is a small but easy win for Labour and everytime the Tories bring this up it just makes them look more weird, and Keir more normal, more human.
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Leave at 6, Boris would lead drinking parties till well after midnight
22:25 That will be Ed playing bagpipes behind the curtain, trying to throw off the bairns.
I haven't heard of anyone complaining about Conservatives not working the first five days of the week.
Why should youth keep slaving for less to support tax cuts and the triple lock on the door to anything other than the treadmill?
Not sure I agree about Rayner. Blair and Brown, not Blair and Prescott. Rayner was sent out for the debates, so she's been very prominent. She's got profile still.
Either way, if she serves as a Prescott-esque figure, that's not a bad thing.
Kier is talking about spending time with his family because he's made the tactical error of saturating the airwaves with talk of his parents. He's expended them as rhetorical resources. He's said that he wants to keep his kids out of media, so this is the best family values oriented line he can run with without involving them more directly, I suppose. It appeals to conservatives focused on the family unit and possibly also the Jewish demographic, who will likely appreciate the regard shown towards the Jewish identity.
As a Tory attack line I'm not sure it really works without a specific grievance, an actual example of Kier actually prioritising his personal life over the duties of office. Without that it's just vague gesturing at a hypothetical. Ferrari's phone-in certainly demonstrated that, he just had absolutely nothing to point towards.
Starmer didn’t say he’ll take weekends off! Just said in past, he’s tried to protect Friday evening after 6pm to be with his kids, which he’d like to keep to but may not always be possible. Doesn’t mean he’s off for the whole weekend. He said today he would like to continue playing football on Sundays but may not be possible if in Govt.
I graduated in 2015, currently earning double the threshold amount a year and repaying my student loan for 9 years and it's now 60k, it was 42k when I left. The current quoted interest rate is 7.9% therefore it's essentially impossible to cut into it until you are earning over 100k! It's a 25 year 3% graduate tax and I'd rather it was that rather than this 'imaginary' figure sitting over your head.
Thankfully Ava is not forcing people to put their support behind loving podcasts, because some other companies do make shit podcasts.
#notallpodcasts
Great analysis by Laura of neoliberals taking the language but not the policies of progressives and its (neoliberals) failure being directed to progressivew
This episode is so good, I wonder if it's because the run time of the politics based podcast focused on politics this time haha
Ava in control and the Podcast stays roughly on topic. But does she love Podcasts and hate nonces? We really need clarification on this point.
I Like this trio. Sod the haters !
"He eats dinner too" far too late for the north! We have Tea at 6pm. None of this dinner malarky
Well spotted.
This is a level above the normal standard - which I like but have a lot of waffle. Really insightful detail here.
27 minutes? Where's the podcast?
Good stuff.
There was more politics in this than in some of their hour-long ones.
Smashed it
I still remember hymns we used to sing as children, especially because they are so grimdark xDDD
To be fair, we used to have the holy hour in Ireland. Pubs would pretend to close and we would all have to quietly hide in the back.
Looking forward to Thursdays live, but i need to know who's going to be on shwingometer duty?
Oat cappuccino... Kids today 🙄
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Yeah, if he didn't have that he could afford a house deposit. 😂
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Back in my day they were frothy coffees.
Tbh I think I enjoy this panel more then the usual 3. More serious & less undergrad needy for a bad joke.
I approve the continued lack of Oli.
What to learn from my country's current fuck-up (Bonjour!):
- Respect your voters by improving their lives. There is absolutely nothing Macron did in the past seven years that has actually improved the lives of French people, except the tiny little prick of the pyramid. For everyone else, it's the same stories we used to tell about the USSR in the 1980s. All it takes to win is to improve people's everyday life.
-Like Oli says: Don't take a finger from the far-right and boasts about what a great idea that is and how well it is working if you don't want to people to just take their hand and go with them.
-Akin to 1930s, this is what happened when both left and right are at the mercy of the capital and betray their people. Macron was no one until Hollande, a socialist president, parachuted him at the head of the economy because he had connections with the big banks. And Valls was less socialist than all the right-wing presidents since De Gaulle's coup.
Ban Ava until she says it, can't have your cake and eat it..
Assuming Sean was at least raised Catholic, good to see the Papist takeover is going well
many things to attack Starmer on but saying he would prefer not to be working on friday to spend some time with his family is not one of them....
You cannot convince me that Boris worked late every day.
Absolute cop out
Need to get a coffee sponsor
Most politicians barely work before 6 O'clock...Visit your constituency once a month to have a few pics taken in a local shop, then go home. Or maybe spend the afternoon with your mistress. It's a tough life.
Yes, particularly Labor MPs and their staffers. I can attest to this happening here in my home state of Victoria where I live in Australia. On a Friday, you can find them down at the pub at lunch time. Disgraceful.
TIL despite Aussies using the same spelling as us Brits for most words (including labour), the Labor Party spells it without a “u”
Edit: my British autocorrect corrected Labor to Labour lol
@@james-cucumber Yes, it’s been that way ever since 1912. Multiple news sources over the years have often attributed that it came down to a prominent American Labor Member of Parliament by the name of King O’Malley. O’Malley was born in America as an insurance salesman/real estate agent on the West Coast and arrived in Australia just prior to federation. He became an MP in the 1st Australian Parliament and later served as the Minister for Home Affairs in the first Labor government from 1910 until 1913. He also served a second time as Home Affairs minister from October 1915 to November 1916.
O’Malley was quite a wealthy MP at a time where Australia really didn’t have any money (you’ve got to remember that Australia has only really been a wealthy, developed nation since the late 1990s), so his wealth allowed him to wield a lot of political power. O’Malley was also responsible for many early Labor policies such as the establishment of a national bank (Commonwealth Bank, been a publicly listed company since 1991), the creation of our national capital Canberra and other major early Australian infrastructure projects.
His American origin probably led to him spelling it as “or”. It may have also been adopted by the broader party as a way to connect to the working class and help start building a national Australian identity instead of being a country of former British aristocrats that helped shaped our institutions. Hope this helped clarify it partly.
@@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760 that’s incredibly interesting thank you for sharing
I will be gutted if angela raynor and jess phillips lose their seats. They are great working voices.
Broken out the Guinness clear again!
Love a bit of drinking on the job.
Enid Blyton wrote this story.
Pretty sure he's not said that after Friday 6pm, he takes the weekend off. It was literally just Friday night.
Meh.
Roll on Thursday.
POETS days is important.
Dyslexics for POTES day!
Nick Ferrari does two hours five days a week so he's in no position to call anybody out.
He clearly doesn't spend the rest in the gym.
Aren’t all curtains inside the house?
Candy man, candy man🇺🇸
1:37 I know a lot of civil servants who work after 6pm, particularly IT system admins.
Why shouldn’t he have a Friday night of Nobody Else wants to work 24 Seven
Also wine time Friday
[Applause] good morning good morning that's a real cop out good morning I'm happy with that no they won't be either no
(Wasn't a natural ending to the intro, it just merged into coffee rambling so I went short for laziness's sake)
Ava doesn't like contributing to the 'nonsense' 'nonces' debate....
David Cameron for labour foreign sec. That's my shout.
Am I dreaming or are you 52 seconds in and actually discussing politics. Wow
Student loan interest "The interest rate charged is normally the Retail Price Index plus up to 3%, depending on your circumstances and income." lets just add 3% banter.
Wow do they all go to actual church on a Sunday?
They've gone Full Catholic.
so right about these 'progressive' liberals
Can you elaborate?
@@nathanaelsmith3553 Basically I'm referring to fiscally conservative but socially liberal people as opposed to Social Liberals that are economically Keynesian or even pro-MMT as well as culturally progressive. Many Liberals are merely neoliberal and think prescribing to cultural progressive makes them progressive socially and they typically fall short and enable the hard right because they can't address economic inequality and poverty that results in the political unrest they don't know how to respond to and the Fukuyama Thesis leads to the preferring appeasing the far-right (as we're seeing across Europe and to some extent the US) instead of siding with their fellow progressives on the left. To summarise too many Liberals have forgotten how to be genuinely economically progressive - and that's a problem as cultural progresivism which is good is increasingly under threat if their is so much dogma against social democracy, let alone democratic and market socialism.
@@danksheev66 I'm not much of a reader because I work a lot and don't have the time, but I think I understand and agree with what you are saying. I do however listen to a lot of podcasts while working. I listened to one which was an interview with an ex neo Nazi. She described how she had come from an abusive family and had fallen into the far right because they offered her a sense of security, belonging and community. She said that although often hostile and sometimes violent towards outsiders, they did also really care and look after those within the group. When she broke free of the ideology she started to mix with left leaning people instead. She noticed that they tended to be more individualistic and less likely to offer practical help to people in need in their immediate orbit with whom they shared political views. My take away from that is that there is a big difference between saying the right things and holding the right opinions and doing good things. Sometimes one is used as a substitute for the other.
I myself also by chance used to share a house with an ex Nazi. I had a black girlfriend at the time and they got along fine. He was ex forces and a good guy - the sort of person who would bend over backwards to help others. He was embarrassed and ashamed by his past. I think it is better to judge a person by the distance covered rather than where they are.
I have tried to explain this to 'right on' people and they can't accept that the far right preys on vulnerable people and that people exiting that ideology can ever be good people. They prefer to cling on to their identity and the sense of moral superiority that it gives them. I think that those sorts of people would be bad friends in a crisis.
@@danksheev66 Biden is perhaps a good example of what you are talking about. Comparatively speaking he has done a lot of progressive things but has now handed Trump the White House because he refuses to step aside and allow a younger person to run. RBG was the same - she helped hand him the Supreme Court for the same reason. Both held good opinions and did some good things but in the final analysis they put their personal ambition before the causes that they claimed to support. It begs the question to what extent some people in the left serve their ideals or hold ideals because doing so serves them.
@@nathanaelsmith3553 Oh you're defiantly right about that, that's why as a Socialist I do actually want people to form support groups and just communities more often. The individualism from the left I think is kinda a coping mechanism to the economy we find ourselves in, and there's obviously the problem of more middle class lefties not realising the importance of impending themselves with for example the trade union movement, and those who use left wing views as merely aesthetics but we shouldn't see those people as ingenuine they just ought to be encouraged to build grassroots organisations and like work with workingmens' clubs and etc. As for instance students and workers have historically been natural allies but the move to economic individualism had the Thaterite culture as lead to students disliking the 'traditonal' working class for seeking solace in nationalism, while the idea of the old cultural working class has been convinced (normally be the right media) that students are a 'Liberal elite' I that students of humanities are more likely to go into government or the public sector, shifting the attention away from the far more substantial capitalist economics elitism that plagues this country among others. There definitely needs to be a major effort for socialists to create Third Spaces for the working and middle classes to interact that aren't just about activism but livable to break down this resentment at both ends and generally allow them to enjoy living together so they can fight for their rights political, economically and socially when they need to. This kind of stuff existed before around pre-WW2 with trade union communities, nonconformist Christians and Left-wing societies and after WW2 subsidised education and art schools allowed for a melting pot of working and middle classes to achieve community and solidarity - which is why neoliberals initially with Thatcher made a titanic effort to eradicate these spaces. Mark Fisher also talks about how during and more so after the 1970s the right sought to eradicate this more Libertarian Socialism that was brewing, which I personally advocate, as the right tried to outflank it with a form of supposedly libertarian capitalism. I think we have to outflank the right in response with 'market socialism' if we are to claw back a truly social society. Also while agree with how left individualism can be off putting to those who fled to the far-right for community, it is still good that the left it culturally individualistic while economically collectivist, so yes socialists actually need to form more pro-social groups, but also this needs to be balanced with the need to guard against losing cultural individualism as well as preventing the left falling into the left-wing nationalism trap, so it's a nuanced picture. Also sorry for my kinda long take but I got in flow :)
Usually enjoy your analysis, but the conspiracy theories about Rayner are like something out of the Daily Mail! 😂🤦🏻♂️
The prospective Chancellor & Leader are ALWAYS the 2 main focuses during an election as they are the most senior roles in Govt, not the Deputy Leader/PM role. Cameron/Osborne, Blair/Brown, Johnson/Sunak, It's always been that way.
If this podcast had been around in the 90s, would you have made the same wild theories about Prescott? Rayner will be more critical to Starmer in keeping the party on side than the Whips Office.
Someone tell Shaun to stop tapping on the table
So when that lady put the cat in the bin she after found it hard to get a job, but, she could be a bin lady. She could be on the truck and put the bin in a bigger bin. I bet she would find that satisfying. The cat thing might be a problem though.
If you include ID (another popularist right-wing party) then the gains for the far right in EU election is 3 seats out of 720. How is this a talking point?
The centre-right gained a seat and the centre-left lost 12, between them they will continue to run things exactly as before. Nothing has changed, there is no move to the right. The greens and far left Socialist party lost out to independents which suggest a fracturing of the far left, that's something worth discussion.
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Day 35 of asking for a production team microphone.
I had to watch a 'Learn French' advert before I could watch this!
Always good to have the work experience kids on.
Don't care who wins the Euros. Don't care who wins next F1. Don't care who wins the election.
It's great being an OAP and not giving a toss about anything because it won't make any difference to retirement after 50 years of employment. #lifeisgood
And maybe you're part of the problem . The Tories especially rely on people who only think of themselves at the expense of others ..
Your children / grandchildren do / will so you should care about the election too if you care about them and would like them to care about you.
if labour dont win and keir resgins who would u want to be the new lader of ther labour party
It's not the same !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We want nonces and podcasts affection clarification at the beginning of all podcasts. Read branding 1-0-1. I'm not happy. The End. :)
when is Ollie back?!
Starmer would have to check with Netanyahu to see what he is allowed to do as our new Tory Prime Minister.
Getting boring hearing the same shit over and over again, say something I haven't heard before 🙄
Hot Boston Sweater on Camera again
Another low effort episode. What's happened to this podcast?
Hey, How else is Starmer going to be able to Utilize all the gifts he's receiving from billionaires if he doesn't have long weekends?
WHAT A LOAD OFF BOLLOCKS TORY VOTER
No one watching this will vote. Then they wonder why they get screwed over by politicians 😆
I'm watching it and I'm planning on voting...
Can confirm, 21 year old excited for my first GE, political inactivity befuddles me
Already voted bud
I dont see you commmenting this on Mr Beast videos. DOUBLE STANDARD !!
Deeply cringe statement for someone who has no idea just how politically engaged gen z are
Guys this is one of the worst podcasts produced. Seriously the tone of doing everyone a favour is not a good feeling. Also Its a FRIDAY only and in context what he's been doing since becoming leader. The Tories are making out its daily
Johnson alone skipped so many meetings including COBRA
When Andrew Neil calls them out you know its bad. What's being reported and what was actually said is the reason these podcasts are vital, Client journalists are trying to make this a "Gotcha" He told the Jewish Chronicle over a year ago this was part of the weekly family routine a week ago Sunak even praised him for making time for his family.
I know you want feedback but truly this podcast had no energy at all.
Jesus died four hours since not Mary! We don’t pray to Mary. We pray to Jesus our mighty savior that died for us.
They’re my sins, he can get his own.
As a human sacrifice who you ritually cannibalise. Nice.
"why are so many young people leaning right? Why has Europe slid to the right?"
Spectacularly fails to mention immigration for 20 mins and instead waffles about esoteric economic issues.
Can't you guys see that you're part of the problem? If you won't discuss the problems associated with unprecedented levels of mass migration then people experiencing and living with those issues will turn to far-right parties who are talking about it.
The only way to curb the rise of the far-right here is to cut migration down to manageable levels.
But what if we need _more_ immigrants to bring taxes down without breaking public services?
Why don't we talk about taxing billionaires?