Excellent interview, Sarvashaktiji. Babaji is so clear and confident. A pure devotee for sure. I hope that you will come to film the Jiva Goswami festival at Jiva tomorrow morning. Radhe Shyam.
Jagadananda prabhuji, my humble dandavat pranams to you. I would like to see you make some comments on the good arguments given by Hridayananda Maharaj about this issue of the fall of the jiva. He gave very good insights on this topic in this video 👉. ua-cam.com/video/U8KvfImXIns/v-deo.html
Vancha kalpa tarubyas ca kripa sindhubhya eva ca patitanam pavanebhyo vaishavhyo namo namaha Jay Mahamatmaji Sri Satyanarayana Dasa Maharaja All Glories to Hari Bhagavan All Glories to Govinda Adi Purusha
Haribol ! So wonderful to hear an advanced devote following shastra & wondered where i can find the sloka where it says a shiksha line is an initiating line & wheres the sanyasi mantra ? Hare Krishna
Still i have a question about Jiva,if anyone can give a right asnwer would be great. So are there Jivas that were never manifested,they never had matetial body and expiriences here? I understand that we existed always,but is there a moment when we came first in touch with maha maya and for the first time started to have experience in material body?
Jay Sri Radheshyam. Jivatma has been externally in this material realm. For the material mind and intellect, it is difficult to realise this since the material mind is limited. How can the limited understand the unlimited? Material reality has been eternally in action and "no action". But then, there are other Jivas or Atman who are eternally out of this material reality. They are called Nitya Muktas or Nitya Siddhas. That kind of souls are for example the Six Goswamis of Vrindavan or Sri Radharaman Charan Das Dev. The kind of souls who are coming here, just for the sake of Lila, and never because Mahamaya. There are infinite Jivas who have never enter the Mahamaya world, they are active only inside the spiritual reality, from Vaikuntha to Nitya Vrindavan. Please subscribe to my English channel: @sarvashakti108 Jay Jay Sri Radharaman. 🙏🪷
Thank you for your answer Prabhu. Yes i understand that there are Nitya Siddhas and Nitya badhas(us), but my question is are there nitya badhas that never came in contact yet with maya(acepting material body)? Like they are in Vishnu/Paramatma and still did not manifest but they exist in sleep mode. As i understand from video we were always in maya,there is no moment when it happened,is that corect?
@@Aryan.iluzionist Yes, the Vaikhuntas are infinite and there lives infinite souls in each of them. They are not even aware that this material non sense exist!
राम राम जी🙏जीव पूर्णतः स्वतंत्र कैसे हो? या जीव अपने आप को समाप्त कैसे करे? क्योंकि भगवद धाम में भी स्वतंत्रता नहीं है, वहा पर भी कोई भोगी नहीं जा सकता है, वहा केवल भगवान ही भोक्ता है, यहां जीव भोग कर नहीं सकता, भोग के बदले घनघोर कष्ट भय, त्रिताप मिलता है जीव को...ये condition है वहां कि पहले शुद्ध हो फिर वहां भगवद धाम में जाओ और भगवान की सेवा करो भगवान ने जीव को ऐसा क्यों बनाया कि free will k kaaran जीव भगवान का विद्रोही हो ya unse Vimukh ho jaye aur ho गया गोलोकधाम में या tatastha sthan pr ? या कहीं पर भी वो उनका विद्रोही क्यों हो जाये ? या भगवद धाम में शुद्ध रहते हुए अशुद्ध हो जाये? फिर से शुद्ध होने के लिए भगवान के धाम में वापस जाने के बाद अब अशुद्ध इसलिये नहीं होगा क्योंकि अब हमारे पास एक भी विकल्प नहीं रहेगा ये भगवान की कैसी नीति है इससे भगवान स्वार्थी परम क्रूर और परम कामी सिद्ध होते हैं। इस भौतिक जगत में माया को भोगने के नाम पर इतना कष्ट भोगना पड़ता है कि अब वहा जाने की सोचेगा भी नहीं और कोई विकल्प नहीं है कि वो कहीं और जाए और पूर्णता सुखी हो? तो बस विकल्प न होने के कारण भगवद धाम में उनकी सेवा करो... जीवात्मा को स्वतंत्र इच्छा के नाम पर केवल कष्ट ही कष्ट क्यों?Free will का उपयोग करके जीव केवल कष्ट ही पा सकता है ऐसा क्यों? क्योंकि फ्री विल का मूल्य तभी है जब जीव के पास कोई अन्य विकल्प हो जब भगवान को अपनी सेवा में ही जीव का नित्य रूप से आनंद देना है तो free will का क्या महत्व है? Free will के नाम पर जीव के पास केवल 2 विकल्प है जिनमें से एक भगवान की सेवा और दूसरा माया का भोग . अगर 2 विकल्प में एक यानि माया का भोग चुनेंगे तो केवल कष्ट ही कष्ट भोगना होगा जीव भगवान की सेवा को ना चुने तो वो कष्ट पायेगा ये कैसी स्वतंत्र इच्छा है😭?😭😭😭😭😭
@@GouraSangha Hare Krsna Dandwat Pranam 🙏This is not complete answer of my Q . Bhagvan ne Jeevatma ko aisa kyo banaya ki vo Unse tatasth sthaan ya Golok Dham me free will k kaaran vo Jeevatma bhagvan se vimukh ho gaya Aur Kashta bhogne k liye badhya ho gaya ? Jeevatma is bhautik jagat me Apni Ichchhanusar jee bhi nahi skta aur is jindagi se nirash hokar marna chahe to mar bhi nahi skta usk baad bhi kashta ghangor kashta Mrityu ki ghanghor peeda Yam Dand peeda narak ka bhay 84lakh ka chakkar garb ki peeda tritap ....
@@GouraSangha भगवद धाम में bhagvan Krsna nitya vraj sundariyo k sath संभोग रासलीला krte hai khte hai Bhagvad dham me एकमात्र भगवान ही भोक्ता है ... ये कैसा न्याय है की हमारे अंदर भोग की इच्छा हुई तो हमे hme कालाधीन maayik mal मूत्र की देह di भोग करने k liye jisme keval kashta hi kashta hi milta bhog k badle क्या वहा भगवद धाम में manchahi strriyo k saath संभोग का सुख मिलेगा नित्य रूप से ?जब चाहे तब क्योंकि यहां तो भोग का सुख भी नहीं उठा skte mal मूत्र की देह वो भी कालाधीन और जन्म मृत्यु जरा व्याधि भय नरक 84लाख का चक्कर त्रिताप को देने वाली है वहा तो सतचिद्दानंद मय घन पुरुष शरीर मिलेगा तो ये सुख का आसवादन भी kr skte hai jaise bhagvan Krsna Krte hai nitya vraj sundariyo k sath संभोग रासलीला...वहा पूर्ण स्वतंत्रता मिलेगी जो चाहे वो करो जो kisi bhi cheej ka fal kashta nahi hoga Anand hi anand sukh hi sukh keval aur parmanent roop se aur kabhi bandhan me phir nahi बंधेंगे mtlb इस कष्टदायक भौतिक जगत में कभी नहीं आयेंगे जैसा की B.G(15.6)me Bhagvan ne bhi kaha hai ...
@@braveboy8176कृष्ण हमारे अंशी हैं एवं हैं उनके नित्य अंश हैं। अंश को वास्तविक आनंद तभी मिल सकता है जब वह अपने अंशी की सेवा करे। यदि वह स्वयं अंशी के समान भोक्ता बने तो उसे आनंद का अनुभव नहीं होगा।
We hear from sastras thar Krishna expands into new svamśa form or Avataras...this would suggest that He also creates/expands new jivas to His new forms. Isn't that "creating" jivas? So the point of "creating" jivas is not that they were always existing from this angle. How would Maharaj answer this Q?
"That it may suggest or looks like" is of not importance in this matter. We can imagine anything after reading, It does not mean that my imagination has anything related to the Avatari. Where does it read that Krishna creates new Jivas?. The group of Babaji is checking the comments of this video. Let's wait for what he has to say about this topic. Thanks for commenting.
@@GouraSangha i disagree with you, because IT is very connected, so I'd rather hear what Maharaj will say. In Mucukunda lila, Lord Krishna speaks Himself how He manifests unlimited forms and even Ananata sesa cannot count them.all...so it proves that Krishna is not static...and jivas are part of His expansions. There are more quotes similar to this about His expanding nature
@@GouraSangha Hare Krishna, it's been 2 weeks since I commented and asked important question ( you assumed not important) , but the whole interview proves it is important topic. Are you all so busy and can't at least try to present this Q to Maharaj ? if you post such video you should be also ready to reply / so would you please present this to Maharaj ? : ''We hear from sastras thar Krishna expands into svamśa and vibhinamsa forms...this would suggest that He also creates/expands new jivas. Isn't that "creating" jivas? From this angle seems that they were NOT always existing because Krishna constantly expands. In Mucukunda lila, Lord Krishna speaks Himself how He manifests unlimited forms and even Ananata sesa cannot count them.all...so it proves that Krishna is not static...and jivas are part of His expansions. There are more quotes similar to this about His expanding nature.
so many conditioned souls say so many things, but what does the pure devotee say? what does Srila Prabhupada say? this is MOST imporatant, and the FINAL conclusion, Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down." ( Lecture July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.) Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come, just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there, but he insists, "Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done?" So because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence, your free will. If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974) Srila Prabhupada - ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 4/25/1970) Srila Prabhupada - Regarding your several questions, where are all the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul, new and old are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how there can be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa, 7/9/1970) Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 02/27/1970)
so... it is perfectly ok to have your own conceptions, movements etc..... but dont tryo to defeat Srila Prabhupada!! when Krsna says to Arjuna, never was there a time when you and all these kings didnt exist?? He is speaking of the persona, because we are not impersonal, ever! so hes stating that we have always existed as personas but this conception at some point we were residing in the tastha region in some type of shanta rasa is nonsense and spoken by previous acharyas to cater to the impersonalists, its an impersonal conception, however srila prabhupada presents the personal conception as sri Krsna does in BG, never was there a time when we did not exist, Us, not some light or energy, we have and always will be persons, there is only one Srila prabhupada! and unless they read HID books and quote His books? what is their authority? there are many Gurus but of them all??? who is there whom compares to Srila Prabhupada??? His books have transformed the world, if you can see? you will see that since Srila Prabhupada mass distributed his books this world like Lord Caitanya said is being transformed, but so so so many adversaries have appeared to oppose and usurp his position, however all of them have done zero compared to srila prabhupada, and will remain simply standing in his shadow! always in his shadow, what does that tell us??? there are so many statements by Srila Prabhupada concerning Srila Prabhupadas statements on the jiva, and the thing is, that srila Prabhupada is presenting the eternal origin of the Jiva, not his "almost" eternal, existence in and out of maha-vishnu, yes these time spans are so long they are considered almost eternal but before that, srila prabhupada clearifies this by saying just what I said. But if you dont care to understand the real ACHARYA? and instead are following someone else? thats your choice, otherwise we wouldnt need this class? as its only Srila Prabhupada that has done such great things including revealing the ABSOLUTE truth! thats plain and clear by His achievements and potencies, if you dont follow the kaliyuga acharya for the golden age? that is ok, just chant hare Krsna and continue eating the maha prasadam! haribol
Swami Bhaktivedanta is not the sole important devotee in the universe. This video explains what the Purva Acharyas documented in their writings. This is authoritative evidence surpassing other explanations. Please review my Jiva Tattva series on the @sarvashakti108 channel; you will find that even Prabhupada's gurus stated that the jiva does not fall. Srila Prabhupada is an authority for ISKCON, but not even the Gaudiya Math fully adheres to his teachings. Visit their temples to observe their practices. Understanding this is crucial for comprehending genuine Gaudiya philosophy. The theory of falling down is his own, non-scriptural creation.
@parasuparasu-ki9gb "The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuṇṭha planet, for it is the eternal abode. But sometimes, as the Lord desires, devotees come into this material world as preachers or as atheists. In each case we must understand that there is a plan of the Lord." Srila Prabhupada purport of SB 3.16.26
@@BhavyaRādhaKrsnadās Sri Gouranga said: I am not a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya or śūdra. I am not a brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha or sannyāsī. What am I? I am the eternal servant of the servant of the servant of Lord Kṛṣṇa (CC Madhya 13.80). I identify myself as a servant of the servant of Sri Sri Radheshyam. The Shloka in the Gita is for the ones who do Karma Yog. I do not go on that Karma Yog path but Bhakti, this is Para-Dharma. The verse 4.13 is from the 4 chapter, that is part of Karma Yoga (from 1 to 6 chapter). Jay Radhe.
Jiva cannot fall wasn't explained clearly. Srila Prabhupada mentions tatastha Shakti , Jiva having always a free will , and even though there is no prakrti in vaikuntha, if a Jiva has bhava , or desire to enjoy independently of Kṛṣṇa, Krishna kindly fulfills that desire of the Jiva.
In Vaikuntha, there is no awareness of Maha Maya. You can not get another desire more than Bhagavan (honestly, does it make sense for you to be near Krishna and to feel another desire more than the holy couple?). We are aware of Vaikuntha and Nitya Vrindavan due to the Kripa of the Siddhas, but not upside down. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami spoke for some reason against his own parampara; Bhaktivinoda Thakur explained clearly the same topic as in the Gaudiya Vaishnavism Grantha, Jiva does not fall, never. Vaikuntha is a place of perfection. How will perfection be contaminated? It is impossible. That Vaikuntha perfection "is not material" but SAT CID ANANDA. "Material gunas" can be contaminated or changed, but not the trascendental energy. Jay Sri Radheshyam, pranams.
@@thegoldenage5943 that you can live here for ever as you have been doing for the last 8.4 millions of life or to start your Bhakti and go out of here. There, you can choose what will be your destination up to your own Bhav. Vaikhunta or Golok Vrindavan. You can choose, it means Free Will. Jay Sri Radhe.
@@GouraSanghaif fall down not possible from Vaikuntha how come Jai and Vijay fell down from vaikuntha?? And take repeated birth and death as hirayaksha, hiranyakashipu, ravana etc.. ??
@@raunaqgupta540 There is a difference “the Krishna Lila”, and, on all of his infinite avatars. The six Goswamis of Vrindavan did not fall from Nitya Lila Vrindavan, they did a Lila and then back to home, you can understand that by their supreme Gopi Bhav, always manifested, they did not get to Shant Rasa or Dasya Bhav, their Tapa and Vairagya was as natural as you drinking a good glass of water in the morning. That level of Bhav is not your nature (otherwise this info will be known by you from the very beginning), you are not a Nitya Siddha, or chosen by Krishna for a specific Lila. Are you aware that there are different kinds of souls? If yes, that* is one way to understand this; the second is that “if for the sake of the Lila” the Kumaras (just as example) will put a spell on somebody that will make him/her fall from Vaikhunta, and then they will be reborn as demons, Bhaktas or whatever is necesary for the Llila, we get to the part ONE of this answer: “It is for the Lila of Bhagavan”. Ones again that is not your case, not mine either. Is it clear now? Those extraordinary cases exist for educational reasons, Dharma reasons, and more than anything else, for the pleasure of Krishna. Feel free to ask anything. Jay Radharaman.
Dear Gaura sangha: Hare Krishna , it's been 2 weeks since I commented and asked important question. Are you all so busy and can't at least try to present this Q to Maharaj ? if you post such video you should be also ready to reply / so would you please present this to Maharaj ? : ''We hear from sastras thar Krishna expands into svamśa and vibhinamsa forms...this would suggest that He also creates/expands new jivas. Isn't that "creating" jivas? From this angle seems that they were NOT always existing because Krishna constantly expands. In Mucukunda lila, Lord Krishna speaks Himself how He manifests unlimited forms and even Ananata sesa cannot count them.all...so it proves that Krishna is not static...and jivas are part of His expansions. There are more quotes similar to this about His expanding nature.
This is no longer a hot topic. It used to be but people have had sufficient responses to these questions. In other words this is no longer a calling card
Please stop preaching all condition souls, only liberated self realised fully krishna conscious soul should do preaching srila Prabhupada: Every Indian should first of all make his life successful by understanding Kṛṣṇa consciousness, Bhagavad-gītā, and preach it all over the world. SB 4.20.25, Purport: The process of hearing from a pure devotee is recommended in all Vedic scriptures, especially by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. if one hears from the mouth of a pure devotee, he gradually comes to the understanding of his relationship with the Lord and thus engages in His loving service, and his life becomes completely perfect.
If we always in material world then how we get to know the 11 spiritual things like our eternal name , age etc in the bhava stage if we are always here in material world #goura sangha @gourasangha #gourasangha and what about gop kumar journey in brihad bhagtamrit by sanatan Goswami
Jay Sri Radhe, the bhavs are revealed by Sadguru and not "self manifested". The stage of Bhav is a bogus concepts since there are many kinds of Bhavs; what is 100% truth is that for being "able to experiment Bhav", you as a spiritual entity have been penetrating the Nitya Lila state of consciousness; inotehr words the Nitya Lila is open for you. What does not mean that "you come from there" but by you can go there in your spiritual body gived by Sadguru. You have access to the higher stage. For more info you can address to Babaji directly since this is his interview and not mine. Jay Sri Radhe, pranams.
@@GouraSangha but prabhuji i have heard that in the bhav stage we got to know about the 11 things our eternal personality.. so if were always here jow our spiritual personality exit in golok ?
@@Devadatta620 Thanks for your question, as I said before you have to ask to Babaji Maharaj, this is his video not my katha. You can join my English Katha if you want to hear and ask any question. You have never been there in Goloka, this is not accepted by Shastra, but, only by the interpretation of Bhaktivedanta Swami. As a simple explanation on this matter is: you should not think in terms of material experiences what is going on in Golok, nothing from here is similar or the same that the tattva there. Here everything is limitate; your mind is thinking in terms of 2+2=4 (trying to understand) / in Golok 2+2 can be anything that Radha and Krishna wants (you can not understand by the material mind, this is reveled directly in your heart in the right time. Your spiritual body is given by Sri Sadguru. This body exist in Golok but is not animated or in an active sewa, but it gets active when Radha gives it to Sri Guru and Sri Guru reveals this to the disciple, your self get inside the Lila. Then there are the bhavs that Sri Guru will reveal, but, are not only 11 bhavs as you say, there are more. An example of this will be a car, the car has all the technology and capacity but is parking in the store, when you go inside the car it starts on, and you can listen to the radio, the wheels start moving etc. Similiar is with the spiritual body. There is much more about this, but not appropriated to write in a chat. Thanks for commenting, pranams. Jay Mahavira Radharaman, Jai Nitai Jay Gour. (Please do not call me Prabhu, "Prabhu is Nitay", you can address me as dada, or by my temporary spiritual name or any name that you want) Blessings 108.
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Excellent interview, Sarvashaktiji. Babaji is so clear and confident. A pure devotee for sure. I hope that you will come to film the Jiva Goswami festival at Jiva tomorrow morning. Radhe Shyam.
Thank you very much. I was there, a video is coming. Looking forward to having a chat with you soon. Jay Shri Radhe.
Jagadananda prabhuji, my humble dandavat pranams to you. I would like to see you make some comments on the good arguments given by Hridayananda Maharaj about this issue of the fall of the jiva. He gave very good insights on this topic in this video 👉. ua-cam.com/video/U8KvfImXIns/v-deo.html
@@GouraSangha Thank you 🙏
I could listen to this forever
ive since left Gaudiya vaishnavism after 18 years for Advaita siddhanta ..
What a conversation. So high in thoughts. Watched it today on Ekadashi morning. Loved it. Jai Satyanarayana guru ji 🙏.
Satyanarayana dasa Babaji Maharaj ki jai!
Thank you very much! More, more interviews with Satyanarayana dasa Babaji Maharaj! 😇
Nectarine Harikatha. Babaji's outstanding ability in establishing Siddhant is no match.
Radhe Radhe
Thank you very much for such interesting interview!!!!Wishing about more interview with Satya Narayana babaji Maharaj!!!!
Wonderful , please accept my humble obeisances .. thank you so much
Vancha kalpa tarubyas ca kripa sindhubhya eva ca patitanam pavanebhyo vaishavhyo namo namaha Jay Mahamatmaji Sri Satyanarayana Dasa Maharaja All Glories to Hari Bhagavan All Glories to Govinda Adi Purusha
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Oh this is so good. Thank you so much
Radhe Radhe
Wonderful interview and live at that! 🙏🧡🕉
Thank You 🙏 Radhe Radhe
Amazing! Watching this is knowing oneself.
Thanks for such content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for such good questions. Very interesting interview. Only wanted to be it longer
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Very beautifully explained, thank you so much
So nice of you
This is an excellent interview! Thank you for this!
Haribol ! So wonderful to hear an advanced devote following shastra & wondered where i can find the sloka where it says a shiksha line is an initiating line & wheres the sanyasi mantra ? Hare Krishna
What is a Sanyasi Mantra?
Sri Satyanarayan Babaji ki jaya!!
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Pranams.....excelente clase....pero te pido si es posible subtitulado al español pofa
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Still i have a question about Jiva,if anyone can give a right asnwer would be great.
So are there Jivas that were never manifested,they never had matetial body and expiriences here?
I understand that we existed always,but is there a moment when we came first in touch with maha maya and for the first time started to have experience in material body?
Jay Sri Radheshyam. Jivatma has been externally in this material realm. For the material mind and intellect, it is difficult to realise this since the material mind is limited. How can the limited understand the unlimited? Material reality has been eternally in action and "no action". But then, there are other Jivas or Atman who are eternally out of this material reality. They are called Nitya Muktas or Nitya Siddhas. That kind of souls are for example the Six Goswamis of Vrindavan or Sri Radharaman Charan Das Dev. The kind of souls who are coming here, just for the sake of Lila, and never because Mahamaya.
There are infinite Jivas who have never enter the Mahamaya world, they are active only inside the spiritual reality, from Vaikuntha to Nitya Vrindavan.
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Jay Jay Sri Radharaman. 🙏🪷
Thank you for your answer Prabhu.
Yes i understand that there are Nitya Siddhas and Nitya badhas(us), but my question is are there nitya badhas that never came in contact yet with maya(acepting material body)?
Like they are in Vishnu/Paramatma and still did not manifest but they exist in sleep mode.
As i understand from video we were always in maya,there is no moment when it happened,is that corect?
@@Aryan.iluzionist Yes, the Vaikhuntas are infinite and there lives infinite souls in each of them. They are not even aware that this material non sense exist!
राम राम जी🙏जीव पूर्णतः स्वतंत्र कैसे हो? या जीव अपने आप को समाप्त कैसे करे? क्योंकि भगवद धाम में भी स्वतंत्रता नहीं है, वहा पर भी कोई भोगी नहीं जा सकता है, वहा केवल भगवान ही भोक्ता है, यहां जीव भोग कर नहीं सकता, भोग के बदले घनघोर कष्ट भय, त्रिताप मिलता है जीव को...ये condition है वहां कि पहले शुद्ध हो फिर वहां भगवद धाम में जाओ और भगवान की सेवा करो भगवान ने जीव को ऐसा क्यों बनाया कि free will k kaaran जीव भगवान का विद्रोही हो ya unse Vimukh ho jaye aur ho गया गोलोकधाम में या tatastha sthan pr ? या कहीं पर भी वो उनका विद्रोही क्यों हो जाये ? या भगवद धाम में शुद्ध रहते हुए अशुद्ध हो जाये? फिर से शुद्ध होने के लिए भगवान के धाम में वापस जाने के बाद अब अशुद्ध इसलिये नहीं होगा क्योंकि अब हमारे पास एक भी विकल्प नहीं रहेगा ये भगवान की कैसी नीति है इससे भगवान स्वार्थी परम क्रूर और परम कामी सिद्ध होते हैं। इस भौतिक जगत में माया को भोगने के नाम पर इतना कष्ट भोगना पड़ता है कि अब वहा जाने की सोचेगा भी नहीं और कोई विकल्प नहीं है कि वो कहीं और जाए और पूर्णता सुखी हो? तो बस विकल्प न होने के कारण भगवद धाम में उनकी सेवा करो... जीवात्मा को स्वतंत्र इच्छा के नाम पर केवल कष्ट ही कष्ट क्यों?Free will का उपयोग करके जीव केवल कष्ट ही पा सकता है ऐसा क्यों? क्योंकि फ्री विल का मूल्य तभी है जब जीव के पास कोई अन्य विकल्प हो जब भगवान को अपनी सेवा में ही जीव का नित्य रूप से आनंद देना है तो free will का क्या महत्व है? Free will के नाम पर जीव के पास केवल 2 विकल्प है जिनमें से एक भगवान की सेवा और दूसरा माया का भोग . अगर 2 विकल्प में एक यानि माया का भोग चुनेंगे तो केवल कष्ट ही कष्ट भोगना होगा जीव भगवान की सेवा को ना चुने तो वो कष्ट पायेगा ये कैसी स्वतंत्र इच्छा है😭?😭😭😭😭😭
In Nitya Lila Vrindavan everybody feels the maximum pleasure. That Krishna's land is the land of extasis. Jay Sri Radhe.
@@GouraSangha Hare Krsna Dandwat Pranam 🙏This is not complete answer of my Q . Bhagvan ne Jeevatma ko aisa kyo banaya ki vo Unse tatasth sthaan ya Golok Dham me free will k kaaran vo Jeevatma bhagvan se vimukh ho gaya Aur Kashta bhogne k liye badhya ho gaya ? Jeevatma is bhautik jagat me Apni Ichchhanusar jee bhi nahi skta aur is jindagi se nirash hokar marna chahe to mar bhi nahi skta usk baad bhi kashta ghangor kashta Mrityu ki ghanghor peeda Yam Dand peeda narak ka bhay 84lakh ka chakkar garb ki peeda tritap ....
@@GouraSangha भगवद धाम में bhagvan Krsna nitya vraj sundariyo k sath संभोग रासलीला krte hai khte hai Bhagvad dham me एकमात्र भगवान ही भोक्ता है ...
ये कैसा न्याय है की हमारे अंदर भोग की इच्छा हुई तो हमे hme कालाधीन maayik mal मूत्र की देह di भोग करने k liye jisme keval kashta hi kashta hi milta bhog k badle क्या वहा भगवद धाम में manchahi strriyo k saath संभोग का सुख मिलेगा नित्य रूप से ?जब चाहे तब क्योंकि यहां तो भोग का सुख भी नहीं उठा skte mal मूत्र की देह वो भी कालाधीन और जन्म मृत्यु जरा व्याधि भय नरक 84लाख का चक्कर त्रिताप को देने वाली है वहा तो सतचिद्दानंद मय घन पुरुष शरीर मिलेगा तो ये सुख का आसवादन भी kr skte hai jaise bhagvan Krsna Krte hai nitya vraj sundariyo k sath संभोग रासलीला...वहा पूर्ण स्वतंत्रता मिलेगी जो चाहे वो करो जो kisi bhi cheej ka fal kashta nahi hoga Anand hi anand sukh hi sukh keval aur parmanent roop se aur kabhi bandhan me phir nahi बंधेंगे mtlb इस कष्टदायक भौतिक जगत में कभी नहीं आयेंगे जैसा की B.G(15.6)me Bhagvan ne bhi kaha hai ...
@@braveboy8176कृष्ण हमारे अंशी हैं एवं हैं उनके नित्य अंश हैं। अंश को वास्तविक आनंद तभी मिल सकता है जब वह अपने अंशी की सेवा करे। यदि वह स्वयं अंशी के समान भोक्ता बने तो उसे आनंद का अनुभव नहीं होगा।
Then what about brihad bhagtamrit gop kumar .. was he anadi baddha or nitta siddha ,,
We hear from sastras thar Krishna expands into new svamśa form or Avataras...this would suggest that He also creates/expands new jivas to His new forms. Isn't that "creating" jivas? So the point of "creating" jivas is not that they were always existing from this angle.
How would Maharaj answer this Q?
"That it may suggest or looks like" is of not importance in this matter. We can imagine anything after reading, It does not mean that my imagination has anything related to the Avatari. Where does it read that Krishna creates new Jivas?. The group of Babaji is checking the comments of this video. Let's wait for what he has to say about this topic. Thanks for commenting.
@@GouraSangha i disagree with you, because IT is very connected, so I'd rather hear what Maharaj will say.
In Mucukunda lila, Lord Krishna speaks Himself how He manifests unlimited forms and even Ananata sesa cannot count them.all...so it proves that Krishna is not static...and jivas are part of His expansions. There are more quotes similar to this about His expanding nature
@@GouraSangha Hare Krishna, it's been 2 weeks since I commented and asked important question ( you assumed not important) , but the whole interview proves it is important topic. Are you all so busy and can't at least try to present this Q to Maharaj ? if you post such video you should be also ready to reply / so would you please present this to Maharaj ? : ''We hear from sastras thar Krishna expands into svamśa and vibhinamsa forms...this would suggest that He also creates/expands new jivas. Isn't that "creating" jivas? From this angle seems that they were NOT always existing because Krishna constantly expands. In Mucukunda lila, Lord Krishna speaks Himself how He manifests unlimited forms and even Ananata sesa cannot count them.all...so it proves that Krishna is not static...and jivas are part of His expansions. There are more quotes similar to this about His expanding nature.
so many conditioned souls say so many things, but what does the pure devotee say? what does Srila Prabhupada say? this is MOST imporatant, and the FINAL conclusion, Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down." ( Lecture July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.) Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come, just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there, but he insists, "Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done?" So because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence, your free will. If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy."
(Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974) Srila Prabhupada - ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 4/25/1970)
Srila Prabhupada - Regarding your several questions, where are all the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul, new and old are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how there can be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa, 7/9/1970)
Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 02/27/1970)
so... it is perfectly ok to have your own conceptions, movements etc..... but dont tryo to defeat Srila Prabhupada!! when Krsna says to Arjuna, never was there a time when you and all these kings didnt exist?? He is speaking of the persona, because we are not impersonal, ever! so hes stating that we have always existed as personas but this conception at some point we were residing in the tastha region in some type of shanta rasa is nonsense and spoken by previous acharyas to cater to the impersonalists, its an impersonal conception, however srila prabhupada presents the personal conception as sri Krsna does in BG, never was there a time when we did not exist, Us, not some light or energy, we have and always will be persons, there is only one Srila prabhupada! and unless they read HID books and quote His books? what is their authority? there are many Gurus but of them all??? who is there whom compares to Srila Prabhupada??? His books have transformed the world, if you can see? you will see that since Srila Prabhupada mass distributed his books this world like Lord Caitanya said is being transformed, but so so so many adversaries have appeared to oppose and usurp his position, however all of them have done zero compared to srila prabhupada, and will remain simply standing in his shadow! always in his shadow, what does that tell us??? there are so many statements by Srila Prabhupada concerning Srila Prabhupadas statements on the jiva, and the thing is, that srila Prabhupada is presenting the eternal origin of the Jiva, not his "almost" eternal, existence in and out of maha-vishnu, yes these time spans are so long they are considered almost eternal but before that, srila prabhupada clearifies this by saying just what I said. But if you dont care to understand the real ACHARYA? and instead are following someone else? thats your choice, otherwise we wouldnt need this class? as its only Srila Prabhupada that has done such great things including revealing the ABSOLUTE truth! thats plain and clear by His achievements and potencies, if you dont follow the kaliyuga acharya for the golden age? that is ok, just chant hare Krsna and continue eating the maha prasadam! haribol
Swami Bhaktivedanta is not the sole important devotee in the universe. This video explains what the Purva Acharyas documented in their writings. This is authoritative evidence surpassing other explanations. Please review my Jiva Tattva series on the @sarvashakti108 channel; you will find that even Prabhupada's gurus stated that the jiva does not fall. Srila Prabhupada is an authority for ISKCON, but not even the Gaudiya Math fully adheres to his teachings. Visit their temples to observe their practices. Understanding this is crucial for comprehending genuine Gaudiya philosophy. The theory of falling down is his own, non-scriptural creation.
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"The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuṇṭha planet, for it is the eternal abode. But sometimes, as the Lord desires, devotees come into this material world as preachers or as atheists. In each case we must understand that there is a plan of the Lord." Srila Prabhupada purport of SB 3.16.26
Bro which varna you belong to?
Bro?
Varna?
@@GouraSangha there are 4 varnas according to BG 4.13 , which one you belong to ?
@@BhavyaRādhaKrsnadās Sri Gouranga said:
I am not a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya or śūdra. I am not a brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha or sannyāsī. What am I? I am the eternal servant of the servant of the servant of Lord Kṛṣṇa (CC Madhya 13.80).
I identify myself as a servant of the servant of Sri Sri Radheshyam.
The Shloka in the Gita is for the ones who do Karma Yog. I do not go on that Karma Yog path but Bhakti, this is Para-Dharma. The verse 4.13 is from the 4 chapter, that is part of Karma Yoga (from 1 to 6 chapter).
Jay Radhe.
Jiva cannot fall wasn't explained clearly.
Srila Prabhupada mentions tatastha Shakti , Jiva having always a free will , and even though there is no prakrti in vaikuntha, if a Jiva has bhava , or desire to enjoy independently of Kṛṣṇa, Krishna kindly fulfills that desire of the Jiva.
In Vaikuntha, there is no awareness of Maha Maya. You can not get another desire more than Bhagavan (honestly, does it make sense for you to be near Krishna and to feel another desire more than the holy couple?). We are aware of Vaikuntha and Nitya Vrindavan due to the Kripa of the Siddhas, but not upside down. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami spoke for some reason against his own parampara; Bhaktivinoda Thakur explained clearly the same topic as in the Gaudiya Vaishnavism Grantha, Jiva does not fall, never. Vaikuntha is a place of perfection. How will perfection be contaminated? It is impossible. That Vaikuntha perfection "is not material" but SAT CID ANANDA. "Material gunas" can be contaminated or changed, but not the trascendental energy. Jay Sri Radheshyam, pranams.
@@GouraSangha Then what is the meaning of freewill...
@@thegoldenage5943 that you can live here for ever as you have been doing for the last 8.4 millions of life or to start your Bhakti and go out of here. There, you can choose what will be your destination up to your own Bhav. Vaikhunta or Golok Vrindavan. You can choose, it means Free Will. Jay Sri Radhe.
@@GouraSanghaif fall down not possible from Vaikuntha how come Jai and Vijay fell down from vaikuntha??
And take repeated birth and death as hirayaksha, hiranyakashipu, ravana etc.. ??
@@raunaqgupta540 There is a difference “the Krishna Lila”, and, on all of his infinite avatars. The six Goswamis of Vrindavan did not fall from Nitya Lila Vrindavan, they did a Lila and then back to home, you can understand that by their supreme Gopi Bhav, always manifested, they did not get to Shant Rasa or Dasya Bhav, their Tapa and Vairagya was as natural as you drinking a good glass of water in the morning. That level of Bhav is not your nature (otherwise this info will be known by you from the very beginning), you are not a Nitya Siddha, or chosen by Krishna for a specific Lila. Are you aware that there are different kinds of souls? If yes, that* is one way to understand this; the second is that “if for the sake of the Lila” the Kumaras (just as example) will put a spell on somebody that will make him/her fall from Vaikhunta, and then they will be reborn as demons, Bhaktas or whatever is necesary for the Llila, we get to the part ONE of this answer: “It is for the Lila of Bhagavan”. Ones again that is not your case, not mine either. Is it clear now? Those extraordinary cases exist for educational reasons, Dharma reasons, and more than anything else, for the pleasure of Krishna. Feel free to ask anything. Jay Radharaman.
Dear Gaura sangha: Hare Krishna , it's been 2 weeks since I commented and asked important question. Are you all so busy and can't at least try to present this Q to Maharaj ? if you post such video you should be also ready to reply / so would you please present this to Maharaj ? : ''We hear from sastras thar Krishna expands into svamśa and vibhinamsa forms...this would suggest that He also creates/expands new jivas. Isn't that "creating" jivas? From this angle seems that they were NOT always existing because Krishna constantly expands. In Mucukunda lila, Lord Krishna speaks Himself how He manifests unlimited forms and even Ananata sesa cannot count them.all...so it proves that Krishna is not static...and jivas are part of His expansions. There are more quotes similar to this about His expanding nature.
We are working in Chile at the moment. You can address directly your questions to Babaji in his website jiva.org
Jay Sri Radhe.
@@GouraSangha ok, thank you
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This is no longer a hot topic. It used to be but people have had sufficient responses to these questions. In other words this is no longer a calling card
Please stop preaching all condition souls, only liberated self realised fully krishna conscious soul should do preaching
srila Prabhupada: Every Indian should first of all make his life successful by understanding Kṛṣṇa consciousness, Bhagavad-gītā, and preach it all over the world.
SB 4.20.25, Purport: The process of hearing from a pure devotee is recommended in all Vedic scriptures, especially by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
if one hears from the mouth of a pure devotee, he gradually comes to the understanding of his relationship with the Lord and thus engages in His loving service, and his life becomes completely perfect.
Are you speaking to Babaji?
@@GouraSangha Is he trikaal darshi?
@@radhabhaav9217 ask him. 👍
@@GouraSangha I already know, that's why I gave instructions to him given by srila prabhupaad for all condition souls
@radhabhaav9217 wich Srila Prabhupad are you speaking about? Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati? He is the Prabhupad of Gaudiya Math 💭
If we always in material world then how we get to know the 11 spiritual things like our eternal name , age etc in the bhava stage if we are always here in material world #goura sangha @gourasangha #gourasangha and what about gop kumar journey in brihad bhagtamrit by sanatan Goswami
Jay Sri Radhe, the bhavs are revealed by Sadguru and not "self manifested". The stage of Bhav is a bogus concepts since there are many kinds of Bhavs; what is 100% truth is that for being "able to experiment Bhav", you as a spiritual entity have been penetrating the Nitya Lila state of consciousness; inotehr words the Nitya Lila is open for you. What does not mean that "you come from there" but by you can go there in your spiritual body gived by Sadguru. You have access to the higher stage. For more info you can address to Babaji directly since this is his interview and not mine. Jay Sri Radhe, pranams.
@@GouraSangha but prabhuji i have heard that in the bhav stage we got to know about the 11 things our eternal personality.. so if were always here jow our spiritual personality exit in golok ?
@@GouraSangha its means you said there is no 11 things that we will have but ,now we can become a part of that transdermal activity
@@Devadatta620 Thanks for your question, as I said before you have to ask to Babaji Maharaj, this is his video not my katha. You can join my English Katha if you want to hear and ask any question. You have never been there in Goloka, this is not accepted by Shastra, but, only by the interpretation of Bhaktivedanta Swami. As a simple explanation on this matter is: you should not think in terms of material experiences what is going on in Golok, nothing from here is similar or the same that the tattva there. Here everything is limitate; your mind is thinking in terms of 2+2=4 (trying to understand) / in Golok 2+2 can be anything that Radha and Krishna wants (you can not understand by the material mind, this is reveled directly in your heart in the right time. Your spiritual body is given by Sri Sadguru. This body exist in Golok but is not animated or in an active sewa, but it gets active when Radha gives it to Sri Guru and Sri Guru reveals this to the disciple, your self get inside the Lila. Then there are the bhavs that Sri Guru will reveal, but, are not only 11 bhavs as you say, there are more. An example of this will be a car, the car has all the technology and capacity but is parking in the store, when you go inside the car it starts on, and you can listen to the radio, the wheels start moving etc. Similiar is with the spiritual body. There is much more about this, but not appropriated to write in a chat. Thanks for commenting, pranams. Jay Mahavira Radharaman, Jai Nitai Jay Gour. (Please do not call me Prabhu, "Prabhu is Nitay", you can address me as dada, or by my temporary spiritual name or any name that you want) Blessings 108.
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