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Class 0: He’s referring to the Kardashev Scale but is grossly mistaking and misinterpreting it.
Yup..
You're not christian when you're not misrepresenting science with full confidence.
Yup, i suspect hes read a bunch of unrelated ideas/concepts and has managed to mash them together into nonsense
@@acs5928 yeah that’s basically what just about all believers do. I need some justification for what I believe so I’m gonna create something out of nonsense.
Exactly, as if he read about it but has no clue what to do with it.
This caller does not know the difference between speculation, theory and fact.
Hypothesis is a better word than theory here as theories are nearly synonymous with facts.
Evolution is a fact that theists need to just get over.
It's a fact that organisms evolve
It's not a fact that your ancestors were sea creatures.
It's not a fact that we have different races because environmental reasons like weather diet and natural selection.
They can't, evolution takes away their "special little soldier " beliefs.
They were taught that truth is found with their heads down and eyes closed.
@@joshsheridan9511 wow getting people to believe their ancestors were sea creatures and orangutans, so convenient for the teaching of your Talmud , now isn't it.
Organisms evolve this is a fact.
Having ancestors that were sea creatures and orangutans is not a fact it's mythology. But I do admire your dedication to your teachings, too bad your dedicated to evil
@@HumanistsAreEvil…… you literally dont know basic evolution
Homo sapies are coming from OUR COMMON ANCESTOR
Orangutans, apes, chimpanzees etc are Our Cousins ….
What evil? Defúq???
There's literally a Hebrew word for a sphere, but the Bible uses the word for circle to describe earth. And that word for the circle is used in the context of drawing a circle on the earth to the horizon. That circle is a flat circle. You don't draw sphere on the ground.
The fact that flat earthers refer to the bible all the time to say that the earth is flat should tell you what the bible says.
It's frustrating that theists expect all of us atheists to be science geeks.
Especially those in the comments yeah, for them ALL of us must have ALL knowledge about current science + the small gaps because science still has gaps that will be filled in a few years (or more or less) to have the authorisation to be atheists
I'm always calling them out bc of it. I'm just a chef, not a PhD in every possible branch of science..
There is some thing out there but not what Christians & religions describing there version of god
@@rogerkrueger9333 Yeah, rocks and stars and stuff.
@@quentind1924I find it funny, that we never expect theists to have science answers. If I was a theist, I would be a bit offended.. 😸
Creationists: Let's see... I can give evidence for god. OR, I can "disprove" evolution, without any understanding of the science. And as SOON as it's debunked, that will prove that god exists. It's either evolution is true or god exists. Because I don't know how to create dichotomies.
You have failed not only to provide any convincing evidence but to provide any evidence at all for your claim to the supernatural that life can come into existence without life, without an intelligent source which is the natural process as we know it.
You make these claims to the supernatural and when I asked you to prove it you say the word abiogenesis. As if saying the word abiogenesis is the same thing as you're proving something using the scientific method.
And how many times do I have to explain to you a scientist trying to physically create life is creation it's not life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence.
How many times do I have to tell you even if abiogenesis wasn't a hypothesis even if it was falsifiable even if it was proven by the scientific method it still has nothing to do with your claims to the supernatural that life popped/came into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence . No matter what you say it doesn't disprove the natural process as we know it which is life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligent source.
Do you think if we know most or all the ingredients that make up a banana cake that this equates to the banana cake popping into existence because of a nom intelligent occurrence rather than being the result of an intelligent design.
As far as evolution it's proven by the scientific method that organisms evolve. But it has not been proven by the scientific method that your ancestors were lizards that walked on water.. try to distinguish between what's proven by the scientific method and what you believe in faith.
You do the same thing when it comes to transgenderism you won't acknowledge that you believe strictly in faith that somebody is born with a brain that doesn't match their body.
Matter of fact I have no problem admitting that I have some faith-based beliefs when it comes to transgenderism. I believe some people are satanically possessed by an evil gender spirit that causes them to reject who they are.
You see the difference between me and you is I can distinguish between what I believe to be true because it's proven by the scientific method and what I believe to be true that hasn't been proven by the scientific method.
Why is it that Christians who are completely science-illiterate pretend that they know anything about science? None of these guys cite actual science.
If you don't even understand the difference between abiogenesis and synthetic biology, maybe just keep your mouth shut?
Pay c l o s e attention to the following:
Just quoting verses from the Bible is just making claims that's as nonsensical as saying that the snake is legless because he tattled on God's lie and got him all twiggered.
I'm a retired physicist. I have no Idea what he's talking about. Nobody ever mentioned 'societies' to me. And there's certainly no value given to 'faith'. We look for possible solutions to problems, then we stress-test the proposed solution. If it passes, we accept it, pro-tem. That's all.
I’ve read that some cosmologists came up with a classification for civilisations, based on their ability to control their planet and then their local star. I think it might have been in a book by Lawrence Krauss.
Kardashev scale. How evolved societies are. Highest on the scale (0-4) would be "god-like". We are not even type 1 yet.
Do you believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God? If so please provide evidence to why you believe that .
But if you don't believe that just respond to me and say we found commonality and that would be the fact neither one of us believes the origins of Life came into existence without God.
@@HumanistsAreEvil So heads you win, tails I lose?
Let me put it this way: The god hypothesis has zero practical evidence to support it. In fact, it has precisely the same standing as the suggestion that the universe was created by Fairies.
If you can prove for yourself that the world was NOT created by Fairies, you can apply the same proof to your purported 'God' with confidence in the result.
@@HumanistsAreEvilno one knows how life came into existence but some of science’s best people are working on it. I don’t think anyone is working on the hypothesis that a supernatural agent (whom you call God) did it because it’s an untestable hypothesis. And we would still want to know how that agent did it, which the religious texts don’t tell us.
And, that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
String theory is more of an String hypothesis.. and having faith in it isn't required..
Here is a previous rebuttal to a creationist who is confused about biology and evolution:
Biological classification is based on differences between organisms and their associated relatedness. See cladistics for more information.
"Change in kind" depends on how "kind" is defined. Given that classification is based on differences, defining kind by the various classification labels essentially means defining based on the amount of changes from a common ancestor. This rules out arbitrary changes across low numbers of generations. Expecting a change in “kind” across a single generation is therefore being ignorant of both what evolution is and what classification (even by the arbitrary “kind”) is.
Evolution being the change in inherited characteristics across generations. Evolution has been observed.
2 examples of speciation [which results from evolution] : the HeLa cell culture and the London Underground mosquito. Dogs are currently undergoing speciation especially as Chihuahuas and Great Danes can't physically mate.
Christians trying to talk about evolution is always a hoot🍿
an atheist Francis Crick said the odds of one amino acid forming by chance is 10 to the power of 240 , you need 20 exact ones, that join up, to create one protein. So biological ife can never occur, by chance. it has to be designed. by a life form that is non biological. you can have a billion trillion years. it cannot happen. as that is a blink atheist figure.
just as we today are trying to make machine life. Can machine life occur naturally? NEVER. it must be designed by another life form. we humans. you have micro biological machines assembling cells. that is simply not possible. you have the signature of GOD. YHWH, encoded into DNA. a 5,10,5, 6 signature of sulphur bridging. YOD HEY WAW HEY is numbered 5,10,5,6. same as DNA. God signed every bit of DNA on earth. Its not 5,11, 7, 8 - its the same as God's name. YOD HEY WAW HEY - it means behold the HAND, Behold the NAIL. its JESUS. SO look out that beast empire is on earth? the one in revelation... with seven heads and ten horns? seven leaders who rule ten nations. Called the G7 nations. they are the last world empire. with Nuclear weapons. WHo own 52 percent of all world wealth. more than ROME. Bigger than anything. and they are waiting for the rapture, same as the church, to start the last war,.the one in which you are offered a leviathan MARK. OO. meta. o. a nice mark on your head. 7-10 split, very unusual that.
@@paultimson6674 Why don't you quote Crick giving those odds? The odds of you being able to do so is 0.
And why do guys like you who has NO knowledge of the chemistry in abiogenesis come and talk about "random" chance? At what condition is that 10^240 happening? What pressure, concentration of reagents, temperature, salinity, pH, etc. What you said makes NO sense without any of those conditions.
And if you can make up some conditions, tell me how it is that YOU know that those were the ONLY possible conditions and the data that you used to come up with that probabillity.
The chances of you being able to respond to these questions intelligently? 0%.
@@paultimson6674 Also, dude. There is no sulphur in DNA. You have NO understanding of science, but you've heard all these pseudoscience pseudo-gematria idiocy and think that it means something. WHY would some intelligent creator go through the trouble of putting anything like this that somehow humans will think is his "signature"? It is SO idiotic.
As a chemist it's fairly easy to make amino acids. Miller and Urey weren't the last to do so.
And as a chemist you can get amino acids to polymerise to form proteins.
Protein formation is fairly trivial. It's specificity that's the problem.
That's why noone claims the modern complex proteins we have today are the same ones in abiogenesis.
It's also why life isn't just protein based.
@@queuecee Borel's law states anything above 10 to the power of 50 is bogus. as there is only 10 682 atoms in all the universe. to think up a molecule, when there is only 10 ^82 atoms. is stupid. a molecule that needs 10^240 - think it through you twit. you have a box the size of a tea chest. and you are trying to squeeze an elephant into it. It does not work. and Darwin is not NEUTRAL. he is a freemason, they believe in a deity, the higher ones believe in LUCIFER. so you are being conned. By Satan. By his flunkies. Look around the world? every profession is controlled by a top tier of elites, if you stray from their narrative, whether in ART, or FILM, or Finance, or politics, they either BRIBE YOU, unlimited cash, they either intimidate you, or they will resort to killing you. You are not in a toy town world. You are in SATAN's PALACE. He owns you, until you defect. Your soul is property of Satan.
OK, I'm calling it - "There is only 10 682 atoms in all the universe" wins my Dumbest Comment of the Week award.
Well done, Paul Timson 🏆👏
Apparently lab experiments also aren't natural enough to be taken as proof of physics and chemistry!
Does he really think that the number of atoms in the universe limits probability? Lol, maybe he also thinks that computers can only calculate up to that number? Since his gh0d lives outside time and space, maybe he keeps the rest of the atoms there.
Virtually every evolution critic that I've ever heard from or interacted with is totally ignorant of science. Nothing new here. Also amazing how he tosses around all these baseless claims for which he offers not a shred of evidence.
Yeah, I've yet to hear someone who denies evolution, and has an even reasonable or close to understanding what it actually is, they always misrepresent or lie to the point that it is obvious they have no clue what they are talking about
@@ARoll925 There are scientists that dispute evolution, in the sense that they disagree with VERY specific mechanistic models of VERY specific parts of the evolutionary theory. For example, they might disagree on how much contribution epigenetics has in speciation. Or they may have different ideas of mechanisms for the development of complex traits, such as intelligence or emotions.
But these scientists would not say that evolution doesn't occur. And they CERTAINLY would not say that biodiversity arose through intelligent design or god.
One of the biggest problems with atheists is they can't distinguish between what they believe in faith and what's proven by the scientific method.
Proven by the scientific method , organisms evolve.
Faith-based belief. The idea that your ancestors will lizards that walked on water the idea that your ancestors were sea creatures. This has not been proven by the scientific method this is a faith-based belief.
It's not only when it comes to evolution.
An atheist will claim that life can pop /come into existence without life without an intelligence source and they claim this is proven by science when in actuality this is a belief in the supernatural..
The atheist believes saying the word science or saying the word abiogenesis prove their claim to the supernatural that life can pop into existence / come into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence.
Even when I explain a great detail to The atheist that even if the hypothesis of abiogenesis was falsifiable, even if it was proven by the scientific method it still wouldn't prove their claim to the supernatural that life can pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence, any more than knowing the ingredients that make up a banana cake can prove that banana cakes can pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence.
Scientists trying to create life from other life or non-life is creation they're trying to physically create life that's creation it's not life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence.
The atheist Communists even does it when it comes to their gender faith although to less extent and they have been backing off on this recently.. but they still won't acknowledge that it's a faith-based belief that somebody can be born with a brain that doesn't match their body causing them to be born in the wrong body..
I'm not making fun of the atheist humanist faith-based believes I'm just pointing out the fact that they can't distinguish between what they believe in faith and what's proven by science .
@@queuecee funny I was just talking about you and how you deal with your faith based beliefs although I didn't call your name out.
Anyway do you acknowledge that it hasn't been proven by the scientific method that your ancestors were sea creatures.
Do you acknowledge your claim to the supernatural that life can come into existence without life, without an intelligence source has not been proven by the scientific method and it's something you believe in faith.
Provide a rational definition for the meaning of female.. I'm guessing you won't be able to do so because your belief of what a female is is based in faith and not by any scientific method.. if I know you you're probably respond by calling me a bigot and hateful because I'm calling you out on your faith based beliefs.. this is a typical strategy for cultural Marxist
That evolution occurs is a demonstrated fact. We can even observe this in real time with viruses mutating into new strains- due to their rate of reproduction, the rate of evolution is sped up. The mechanisms by which this evolution occurs are the subject of evolutionary theory. This construct has also evolved since Darwin's day as new evidence has come to light.
pff, we've directly observed it in algue (evolving from single celled to multi celled even..), lizards, birds...
Evolution is demonstrated every time we compare generations.
It's a fact that organisms evolve.
It's not a fact that your ancestors with sea creatures nor is it a fact that they were lizards that walked on water.
It is not a fact that we have different races because environmental reasons like weather,diet and natural selection. Matter of fact we already have a logical explanation to why we have different races and it's not because of environmental reasons like weather diet and natural selection.
The average height of a person living under atheistic humanist godless Utopia North Korea is 3 inches shorter than their genetic counterpart in South Korea due to malnourishment. If the North Koreans received the same nourishment as the South Koreans their offspring will be indistinguishable it won't take hundreds of thousands of years it will take a century.
Atheists like to mix the facts of evolution like organisms evolve with the faith based beliefs like the idea that their ancestors were sea creatures.
@@nealjroberts4050
You mean like the people living under atheistic humanist North Korea being 3 inches shorter than the genetic health department in South Korea due to malnourishment. But they didn't evolve into a different race or a different species they just didn't receive nourishment. If they received nourishment their offspring will be indistinguishable from the south Koreans
It won't take hundreds of thousands of years it will take a century. Organisms evolve that's a fact the idea that your ancestors were sea creatures is not a fact
Evolution is the change in inherited characteristics across generations
Speciation is when the accumulation of those changes means populations can no longer interbreed effectively.
Diploid reproduction involves lots and lots of chemical compatibility between the gametes to function properly. We can analogise this as a lock and key system, like say a chastity belt where you need a compatible key to open and allow reproduction to take place. And where the lock and key don't have to be completely precise to work - just enough that the lock can be opened.
With every generation each key and lock produced will be slightly different. Natural selection means that only a group of compatible locks and keys will survive. And because of evolution each group of compatible locks and keys won't be identical to the founding group.
Given enough time therefore you can end up with a descendant group that's incompatible with the founding group. This is speciation.
It's even more obvious where two groups are separated from each other. You can end up with groups that have incompatible locks and keys with each other even if both are still compatible with the founding group.
Chain/ring species complexes are examples of this in action. Especially artificially evolved ones like dogs where Great Danes and Chihuahuas are physically unable to breed together even though artificial insemination is still possible.
Sigh, what is wrong with these people? Evolution happened and is happening. Just grow up and accept that it wasn't magic. Yikes.
The thing that gets me, is that they think their God is too stupid to comprehend what and why there is evolution.
That’s because it doesn’t mesh with the religion that they were raised to believe in
They can’t even comprehend the possibility that God could be real and have absolutely nothing to do with religion. God and evolution could potentially co-exist but the Bible/Quran and evolution really can’t
The real problem isn't that their god is too stupid. The problem is that their god is too nonexistent.
God and evolution could possibly co exist but the “God” of the Abrahamic religions and evolution definitely cannot
Most Christians I know have accepted evolution due to the facts. They just think their god meddles with it every now and then to achieve their goals such as humanity.
But then they don't accept their Bibles as being literal either. At least one thought it possible Jesus was just a parable of the ideal human.
The Spamming Florida BJ brings out God of the Gaps yet again.
Funny how he's so quick to spam yet so slow to come back onto QC's channel.
He just doesn't seem to understand how fallacious his "argument" is. He STILL says evolution is wrong because it works on existing material. As if that makes the evolutionary model invalid.
For me to eat food, I need to have food. Oh wow, I proved god since only god can explain food.🙄
I don't need any religion. I believe in my self. 😉✌🏻
“I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I just believe in me”
At one time the people living in North Korea said the same thing
@@Lazy_Sundae
I don't believe you can supply a rational definition for the word female.
PS were you the person who was telling me how this mother sexualized her 9 year old son and he went to school or sexualized and then her sexualizing him caused him to commit suicide and now she's blaming it on the school.
I don't don't believe you.
bUt ThAt'S iDoLaTrY!1!!1!11! /s
That was very sad to me to listen to this caller with dementia.
I would say "who cares" about evolution!
Unless you are trying to recruit new members to a religion/God, as I now understand that evolution is cutting into churches bottom line.
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Hmm. Evolution is pretty much the core principle which emerges from and informs all of biology: genomics, immunology, biochemistry, taxonomy, ecology, heritability, psychology, neurology, biomedicine, bioinformatics, pharmacology, and so on.
So "who cares" includes ALL THE PEOPLE who work in all these fields, all those who provide research and development, healthcare, and all those affected, which is basically the ENTIRE WORLD POPULATION, not just of humans but of ALL SPECIES that may be affected by human activity and what informs it.
Have I missed anything? Okay, some species lack the cognitive awareness to "care" in the abstract sense. But if their survival is nevertheless impacted by how evolution informs human activity, and if they have any survival drive at all, that can serve as a form of caring.
Is he drunk? He's talking absolute nonsense
The electromagnetic helmet he referenced is what Doc Emmett Brown was working on when he met Marty McFly in 1955.
If you are a creationist and want to make pronouncements about evolution or abiogenesis, it would help if you actually understood the science before pretending that you know more than ALL the PhDs out there in this field.
Abiogenesis, like evolution, is a SCIENCE which gives naturalistic explanations of our actual universe (not some fictional one). Naturalistic means without any supernatural entity involvement. Science goes nowhere if it just stops and says, "goddunit".
This person makes absolutely no sense in anything he says.
Evolution is the change in inherited characteristics across generations. This is proven every time offspring are compared to parents.
This change can accumulate across generations. This is proven every time generations are compared with earlier generations.
Changes can be selected for or against. This is proven whenever successful individuals are compared with unsuccessful ones under the same conditions.
Evolution is the change in inherited characteristics across generations
Speciation is when the accumulation of those changes means populations can no longer interbreed effectively.
Diploid reproduction involves lots and lots of chemical compatibility between the gametes to function properly. We can analogise this as a lock and key system, like say a chastity belt where you need a compatible key to open and allow reproduction to take place. And where the lock and key don't have to be completely precise to work - just enough that the lock can be opened.
With every generation each key and lock produced will be slightly different. Natural selection means that only a group of compatible locks and keys will survive. And because of evolution each group of compatible locks and keys won't be identical to the founding group.
Given enough time therefore you can end up with a descendant group that's incompatible with the founding group. This is speciation.
It's even more obvious where two groups are separated from each other. You can end up with groups that have incompatible locks and keys with each other even if both are still compatible with the founding group.
Chain/ring species complexes are examples of this in action. Especially artificially evolved ones like dogs where Great Danes and Chihuahuas are physically unable to breed together even though artificial insemination is still possible.
According to FloJob, when the Bible said that the earth was a circle, it meant it was ball shaped. Just ignore the fact that the Hebrew word for circle was used and NOT the Hebrew word for ball shaped.
And how does he KNOW that his translation of circle means a ball? Because NASA has photos that the earth is a globe. The question is, when the author of Isaiah saw the NASA photos, why didn't they use the Hebrew word for ball shaped.
Guess we will never know. 🤷♂️ Maybe when the Bible said a donkey talked, maybe it meant @damonkenny3444?
It's also funny because even if we assume "circuit" or "compass" could mean a sphere (despite neither of them describing a sphere), that just means that the Bible got something right by being vague.
which universe or dimension was this guy calling from?
Lutheran 😂
@@einienj3281
Official Lutheran? 😂
@@nealjroberts4050 Maybe 😄 he did say he doesn't represent them though..
It's one thing when a caller says stuff that's silly or easy to disprove, but it's frustrating when what they're saying isn't even coherent
When he says we're "class 0", I would assume he is referring to the Kardashev Scale of civilizations which is correct. We are currently a class 0.
If you aren't aware of the Kardashev scale, I would highly recommend you look it up. It's an extremely interesting outlook on our potential to advance ourselves.
I've listened to quite a few hours of Atheist Experience and The Line now, and I think this guy might be the most confused and incoherent person I've ever heard come on the show 😂
When a theist asks us a science question and we cannot answer then automatically the “faith” they believe in becomes just as good as science in their minds!
Well, we all know that each time an atheist can't explain any and all science question, a god somewhere gets a little more real.
for the “class 0” he’s talking about the Kardaschev scale
He's talking about the "Kardashev scale" when talking about levels of society.
Typical. Gloms on to a term he vaguely remembers and runs with the make believe football.
Most people are religious and most people that accept evolution are at least somewhat religious. I don't know why Christians and religious folks attack atheists as if evolution is an atheist or humanist belief. The Catholic Church accepts evolution don't they?
It's usually Young Earth Creationists that attack evolution for two reasons.
1/ Evolution disproves Adam and Eve.
2/ They suffer from binary thinking so believe if they can somehow prove evolution.wrong, god did it would be the default answer.
As indicated by Josh there are folks who don't like the implications that a god isn't necessary for evolution to occur.
Most of their thinking is based on the idea that agencies will interfere on their behalf should anything go wrong. An inverse foxhole belief if you will.
Bible Babbler "thinking" works as follows:
1) The bible is 100% true and correct
2) The bible states that the tribal war g0d of Abraham created the universe and all life on earth
3) (1) and (2) above means evolution cannot possibly be correct
Because of the huge amount of data and evidence that proves evolution they then have to resort to lying about it all.
Waiting for FloJob to appear and comment that evolution can't be true because, and I'm not making this up, it doesn't explain the origin of life.🤦♂ Apparently the model we have for biodiversity is somehow invalid because it doesn't describe how it is that there's matter, and how it is that the matter formed life.
This is as idiotic as saying that you don't have the knowledge to drive a car unless you can also build a car from scratch.🤦♂
Yes. THIS is how dumb creationists are.
What's amusing is that we can tentatively apply certain principles used in evolutionary theory onto abiogenesis because the chemistry is iterative and accumulative.
@@nealjroberts4050 There is a selective aspect within abiogenesis that results in the accumulation of certain molecules, based on the common precursors available at the time.
There is SO much naturalistic explanation of what we see but these creationists have NO interest in actually learning it.
@@queuecee
Yes. Indeed
@@nealjroberts4050 Nice street wisdom. What catalyst or process caused a bunch of inanimate matter or RNA in Nature to transition into self replicating organisms?
Show me those psychological survival tactics.
Damon DonKey's initials are "DK"
Fine tuned by his g0d in some mysterious way
While he tries to deflect
With his inferior intellect
"Dunning-Kruger" abbreviates the same way!
I've been meditating regularly for about 30 years. Wanna know what gets fired up when you do it right? Your ass. Sitting for so long hurts.
The good part is, if you in fact do it right, you get to realize that your ass is not the real you anyways.
@@diggie9598
Ah, but there is no "real you" as something apart from your body and the sensations which activate your brain.
The sensation of discomfort is real. The part about it being "yours" is not quite right, because "you" are composed of all this, not a separate observer.
A different “Christian take on Evolution” from Francis Collins - head of the Human Genome Project.
“The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming. I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that.”
The Missing Heritability Problem: Geneticists thought that once we have genomic data, we can map complex heritable traits. It turns out it's more complex and it's not easy to isolate complex traits to specific set of genes.
That's it. There's no 99% of phenotypes not being accountable. That's something someone who is not astutely well-read nor educated in the sciences would say. It's either from some misunderstanding caused by ignorance OR it's just simply and dishonestly made up.
Since Damonkey has NO citations to support this "99%", he made it up. He's lying. Just like when he claimed that he would wipe the floor with me but then didn't even bother showing up to my live stream.
“It’s not easy” is your excuse for having no scientific evidence?
You dodge Missing Heritability and claim “complex traits” as an excuse for having no evidence. Science denier.
“Unknown complex traits of the gaps” -QC
Look at Dancin Deflectin Damon go!
@@amtlpaul You have nothing. QC can come up with nothing. Just admit your defeat.
Opinion on evolution... I'm going to be really surprised if we haven't heard his opinion before..
where he gonna go, we've never experience evolution in action, there are no transional forms, and my fav has a cat ever turned into a dog
Organisms evolve this is a fact but atheists like to fill in the gaps by saying since organisms evolved that means our ancestors the sea creatures which isn't a fact.
They mix the facts of evolution with their faith-based beliefs.
if you want to be religious though you have to deny evolution surely....because if its true and ALL the evidence suggests it is then a god is a massive long shot
@@Pmrace1960 as Dr Frink said, god is basically powerless
@@Caphiasas-sf6ct not being nasty but did you leave school at 10 to go down the pits...if you did i apologise in advance
Sorry folks. A Highly educated person said it is impossible so, thats it. The debate is officially over.
That was a weird conversation.
Most preachers are used to just being able to say anything and everything they want to say and have people agree and listen and obey them and they're ridiculous just as this guy is pretty ridiculous too.
Evolution is a necessary aspect of nature.
I think you've gone way out on a limb here. You're going to have a very hard time justifying your claim, because it's essentially a feeble kind of Black Swan fallacy.
Unless you try to define "nature" as purely biology, in which case you're adding something tautological.
The nice thing about Black Swan fallacies is that they can be defeated with a single black swan. Here's one, though I can generate thousands more: can you show evolution taking place in a quantum vacuum?
It's your claim, remember, so your burden of proof. Please remember to include citations from the evolutionary literature.
Do you mean evolution will occur within systems that replicate imperfectly?
@nealjroberts4050 Not sure but I agree with you.
God can do anything but write his own book
God can do anything but
Cure cancer
End world hunger
Provide any real evidence of its existence
It seems this god thingy can only find keys and cheat at sporting events😆😆😆
Theoretical physicist here: the word "theory" in string theory refers to the self-consistent mathematical framework of the proposed model that particles are 1 dimensional strings. Its meaning is distinct from that of a true scientific theory, which is a theoretic construct that explains all of the available empirical evidence. String theory is just one of many proposed models of quantum gravity; it just happens to be the one that the public is most familiar with. Nobody in the field believes it is true based on faith. That is not how physicists think about physics.
I thought it was a dead end now so anyone still working on it is pretty much keeping the faith that it will turn out to be the one TOE. Sabine goes so far as to dismiss it as pseudo-science.
@@tma2001 It is still a very active field of research and even if string theory does not turn out to be true (I am highly doubtful that it is) it has still led to numerous advancements in our understanding of mathematics, so it is by no means a dead end or pseudo-science. Physicists study simplified models and we often intentionally study models we know are incorrect because they can still tell us something useful.
@@seanstotyn9267 I would recommend Sabine H's video 'The String Theory Wars and What Happened Next'. The comments section for it is a fun read aswell.
@@tma2001 Being a tenured professor who researches gravity, I have enough expertise to have formed my own opinions. Like Sabine, I am highly critical of string theory for many reasons, but calling it pseudo-science or claiming that those working on it are operating on faith is irresponsible. A self-consistent mathematical framework is in no way equivalent to things like homeopathy or astrology.
@@seanstotyn9267 that would be true for such a strawman but you know very well what I meant - I don't think the layman is aware of the intense rivalries and passions that differering theories can generate amongst competing camps for the same finite pot of grant money, career progression etc. Scientists can get very protective and attached to ideas to which they have devoted their lives but turn out to be 'not even wrong' - that famous quip about science progresses one funeral at a time comes to mind (to which Sabine adds 'and not even then').
One major problem is if those in charge of the purse strings don't take kindly to any objective criticism of the current bandwagon, to the point of not renewing the tenure of those who remain sceptical with good reason (I don't know if this is still the case today but some commenters under her video have described such a fate to their scientific careers).
Just because the mathematics maybe beautiful does not mean it is it true as I'm sure you are aware. It "may as well be pseudo-science" is the sense in which she uses it, if the theory to all intents for the forseeable future is unfalsifiable (particle accelerator the size of the solar system etc). It also requires a leap of faith to believe that one of those 10^500 ways of compacting extra dimensions is the ONE which she considers nonsense. Thats not even astornomical odds! (aren't there _only_ 10^80 atoms in the observable universe?).
To paraphrase Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to criticize something when his salary depends on his keeping his head down under the parapet".
If a God started Evolution, then this God would evolve the religion itself.
He asked at the beginning of the call if we are alive. I would like to change my answer.
😂
Old Testament = Stories of a Triggered M-o-r-o-n
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LOLZ
Some people are so dumb that they don't realize that they're dumb.
Points for trying, I guess
Sounds like his creating a God like Q from Star Trek.
No need for a gawd to start evolution.
Oh joy an opinion
You could actually see the point where the host's eyes started to glaze over while listening to this gish galloping nonsense.
The sheer nonsensical discussion that goes on gets just plain tiresome.
I've yet to meet a layman who disputes Evolution because he's impartial and weighed the evidence. To a man, everyone I've encountered who does so, does because he's wedded to a literal interpretation of a Bronze Age Creation myth that he's decided is revealed truth.
Is it possible that just a "thought" emanating from a brain could have some
effect on reality??
I think the Class 0 thing, hes talking about Kardashev Scale, aka Level of or Classification of Civilisation in the Universe
Class zero is legit.
What did Paul the apostle said to correct your view of coming from Donkey Kong,......1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of cattle, another of fish, and another of birds.
Awesome, all in its order according to their kind as well as seeds according to their kind. I wish we had more versed Christians who know scripture instead of them giving their own personal opinion.
It's also clear what Paul said to the stoics and philosophers of his time.
Acts 17:23-31
[23]for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
[24]“God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
[25]Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
[26]And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
[27]so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
[28]for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
[29]Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
[30]Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
[31]because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."
Peace to you all 😊
"Peace to you all" this place was peace until you got here.
You lost me at "What did Paul the apostle said".
Aren't you supposed to be catholic? Whatever happened to following papal authority?
@@nealjroberts4050 I'm neither catholic, baptist, Lutheran, Mormon, Jehovah witnesses or any other denomination.
@@Lazy_Sundae You need to go back to school then.
This dude sounds like The Whiny Voiced serial killer
Ad hominem does nothing but make you look incompetent as an interlocutor. Try harder.
WTF is happening
Ignorance and incredulity basically.
John 3 16 invites you to know God's love and promise. As you draw near to Him, implementing the teachings and character of Jesus into your daily life and testing the promises He makes to us contained in His many Names - I am your provider, your healer, your peace in time of trouble, etc - you will see and know what the disciples saw and knew - that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
You guys should try out Universe Sandbox, Universe Sandbox 2 and Space Sim to better understand how I picture the four corners of the Earth.
Don't forget Space Science Investigations made by NASA. It's easy and fun.
Luke, take the meds your doctor gave you.
@@shaylagonser9341 Nah, I'm good.
99% of an organism’s phenotypes can’t be accounted for by a fully mapped genome. The Missing Heritability Problem.
Citation needed for the 99 percent claim
How brainless are you?🤣
The missing heritability problem refers to the difference between heritability estimates from genetic data and heritability estimates from twin and family data across many physical and mental traits, including diseases, behaviors, and other phenotypes. This is a problem that has significant implications for medicine, since a person's susceptibility to disease may depend more on the combined effect of all the genes in the background than on the disease genes in the foreground, or the role of genes may have been severely overestimated.
It has nothing to do with what your uneducated brain comes up😂
@@amtlpaul Twiggered again are you? Pauliar, it must be a hard job denying science. Troll!
@@amtlpaul I’m going to require a citation from you, that stating established science requires a citation. Pauliar.
No citation from Deflectin @@damonkenny3444!
The wonderful thing about Twiggers
Is that I'm the only one!
Random mutations OF THE GAPS = ATHEISM
Yer Daft!
It's hilarious when apologists try to turn the God of the Gaps fallacy around on us, because they don't understand what the fallacy is. God of the Gaps is an Argument from Ignorance, stating that since we don't know how something happens, that proves God is responsible. No one has ever stated "we don't know how this happened, so that proves random mutations did it!"
Have you actually studied evolution?
@@Beacon80 You're wrong again. You don't know how complex life forms occurred at all, then you people inject 'random mutations' as if it's fact, without a single demonstrable case where this has resulted in new species. BLIND FAITH is your only go to.
@@ApatheticFish3667 Of course he's not studied it. When someone thinks that evolution is just random mutations, that's a sure sign that he's ignorant of how evolution works.
Also, when he thinks random mutations has ANYTHING to do with atheism, we know that he's ignorant of atheism. He thinks atheism is science, while other theist idiots claim that science supports their fiction.
Just got this reply from jwsanders1214, who appears to be almost as unhinged (and grammatically challenged) as Richard Levine, Jim Castleberry. Damonkey et al:
_"The cup that was given to Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane by his Father didn't just contain your sins , but the sins of everyone who ever lived or will ever live in the future That spiritual cup was full to the brim with every vile sexual act committed against children , every rape , every homosexual act , murder and lie .Jesus looked into that foul cup and gagged..."_
What a vile fanfic. And he obviously doesn't know Christian theology. That cup symbolizes the suffering and death that he is about to face. THAT is why he says, "if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
But he wants to corrupt the theology of his own religion in order to make that bigoted, hateful remark. He , A pot, and their irk are some of the most loathsome representation of Christianity on here. Once again, a reminder of what A pot said:
_"Based on the evidence I see the number one motivating factor for a man in the west to become an atheist is his sexual desires for other males. It could also be for little girls.._
_Sexual deviants is the number one factor for a male in the west to be an atheist._
_Atheism and its humanism is both intellectually and morally repulsive."_
These guys are SO preoccupied with sex and being ashamed, I wonder if they are projecting.
So, by that logic, Jesus swallowed every cum shot in history...
@@t800fantasm2 Hard to know, if he didn't have control over his gag reflex.
"Jesus looked into that foul cup and gagged..."