Charlie stopping the interview to stop causing his brother pain was him finally loving and putting someone else first. Dustin Hoffman should of got an academy for that but Cruise is equally as impressive as he starts as a spoiled brat and ends as a loving brother
It's never explained why Susanna wanted to kiss Ray in the elevator, but to me she wants Ray to grow and have experiences he may not have ever had, and may not ever have the chance to again. It's a sweet moment IMO.
I never understood people acting surprised at this or not understanding. It is very clear. She feels sorry for him. She is being a friend. There is nothing erotic or sexual in the least in it. It is sweet and most of all-compassionate.
Exactly! Also, Susanna is Italian and Europeans don't have the same "hang ups" about invading personal space or showing affection that Americans do. It's VERY much in her character to enact such a sweet gesture for Raymond, knowing that he's probably NEVER going to experience romantic intimacy and receive his "first kiss" opportunity going forward.
She’s a saint and she wanted Ray to feel things that he never had the opportunity to experience before. It was an innocent moment that really went along with her caring and sweet character
"What you have to understand is, four days ago he was only my brother in name. And this morning we had pancakes." This is a great family movie about brothers, a rare subject matter for Hollywood. As much as I detest how they treat General Custer, I think Dustin Hoffman's performance in Little Big Man (1970) is his absolute best. If I wasn't a student of history, I'd buy that movie's revisionist agitprop. I still recommend that movie thoroughly. Fun Fact: The elderly man in the waiting room who talks on and on about the Pony Express is Byron P. Cavnar, an 89-year-old local who was in the waiting room when the crew arrived to film there. He got to talking on his favorite subject, the Pony Express, and director Barry Levinson got such a kick out of it that he let Cavnar keep on talking as the cameras rolled. All his dialogue was spontaneous and not scripted. Best Ending Fact: Dustin Hoffman fought for the ending where Raymond goes back to Wallbrook, even though the screenwriters both wanted him to end up with Charlie (Tom Cruise). Hoffman thought it wouldn't be true to Raymond's character if they had him stay. Historical Fact: What Raymond Babbitt (Dustin Hoffman) says about Qantas was, and still is true. From 1921 to now, Qantas has never lost any jet airliners. They even promoted one of the movie's writers to first class once when he travelled on their airline.
21:02 Always my favorite time when seeing reactions for this film: when the hard-hearted cynic learns his imaginary childhood friend was the part of his life he never knew he was missing.
It's amazing how that one seen where Charlie realizes that Raymond is the Rain Man changes your perception of Charlie. He instantly becomes a sympathetic character. Such a brilliant scene.
Counting cards isn't illegal, but, because it gives you a slight advantage, casinos really don't want you to do it and will do what they can to make you stop up to and including having you ejected from the premesis and banned for life. Chances are your name and picture will be shared with other casinos and are likely to be caught and banned.
Counting cards is not illegal. It can get you banned from a casino, but you won't go to jail if you're caught, although there was a day when you might just wake up in a six foot deep hole in the desert :-)
I worked 30 years in the field and affecting or assuming a disability doesn't make anyone the least bit autistic. Social contagions however are a are currently growing population.
I know tons of people who hate that toe seam! ❤ Also once when my best friend and I were 14, my dad was driving us somewhere and ended up pulling the car over and refusing to drive another inch until we stopped repeating “97X…BAAAAM…the future of rock and roll” 😂😂😂 for some reason we were obsessed with that.
The socks thing. My daughter had sensory issues too, although she's growing out of them gradually, I completely understand what you were talking about with the socks. We used to have to order socks for her online that were made specifically to be seamless. We got used to buying a bunch of something, when it was the perfect cut that didn't bother her. So if she found a pair of shorts that she really liked, we will get them in every color. Same for undergarments, socks, T-shirts, leggings, etc. Just about exactly the time that we started to feel comfortable because her wardrobe wasn't causing a breakdown anymore, she will decide that those six pairs of shorts, or eight T-shirts, but now all of a sudden they are uncomfortable and might as well be donated, because she was definitely not going to put any of them on again.
Charlie's job is he imports exotic cars ... but before they can be used in America they have to be certified by the EPA (emissions and pollution agency). It isn't shady, but can be very frustrating. I agree the turning point was at the bath, when Charlie realized Raymond cared for him, after losing his mother when he was baby and a father who didn't show affection, feeling of caring from his family turned him into a different man.
You are the most emotionally, intellectually & spiritually satisfying reactor I've seen on UA-cam & I've seen dozens. It's a crime you have so few subscribers. I think if you were able to post at least 3 times per week, that number would skyrocket. Hope life cirumstances will allow you to do so this year. In the meantime, keep 'em coming!
To answer your question, “ is it good for severe autistics to be exposed to new things and be out in society?” Yes, and no. Part of the reason that someone like Raymond’s autism is so severe is because he wasn’t exposed to things in the way that a child on the spectrum should be, because as you said there was so much ignorance about the condition in these times. People who have autism that aren’t exposed to “normal” societal behaviors, at their own pace with the proper learning tools get further and further away from being able to deal with people, places, and life in general. Because we’ve learned so much, people can have this condition, and there are people like Courtney Love, Dan Aykroyd, Daryl Hannah, Eminem, Elon Musk, Tim Burton, Jerry Seinfeld, and Sir Anthony Hopkins that can more than function in society, be incredibly successful, and have no one even take notice, at least to the point that you wouldn’t suspect anything immediately. A lot of us had to grow out of the most severe parts of the condition. It’s a learning process that comes with life’s lessons.
Me having a son that have autism 3 (worst type) who is 12 and two daughters that is 2 and 3 have a situation not that dissimulator to in the movie. What is really annoying with this movie and, really any Hollywood movie about people with psychological function handicap. Is that Hollywood always tend to confuse being smart and or knowledgeable with just having a incredible memory or skill to count. Hoffman's acting is pretty much on point. To be on the spectrum you have to have a locked behavior. There is 3 main sides. Language, Socials and behavior/flextiblity. If you have a defesit in one, the other two typically compensate. This is true for a lot of people, maybe even a majority. That will typically not hamper a person in any way shape or form. If you have a deficit in two parts, the last one have to work three times as hard to compensate. This is typically somewhat handicapping and generally called autism 1. If you have deficit in all 3 you are totally locked out. This is typically autism 2 or 3 depending on how bad it is. Because Rain man is living in a home, i would presume he suppose to have autism 3 due to people with autism 2 generally can live alone if supported, and even to some degree have a work life. I have been in contact with autistic care for over a decade, and i have so far never meet a autistic person who is adult that can´t speak anything at all. Granted, some have very narrow set of communication skills, but most autistic people can speak when reach adulthood. Even in category 3. In category 2 you pretty much have to be able to speak to get in that. On the plus side, this movie does an excellent depiction on how stressful it is to take care of someone with autism. The general outcome of the movie is fairly realistic for the time it was set in. How autism is treated have advanced a lot since the 80s. Still the movie is somewhat after its time. The handbook and diagnose tool DSM III was written in 1980, and its basically the first sort of "modern" view of autism. Before that it was autism or not, after DSM 3 (1980) the idea of the spectrum was introduced. DSM 4 (1994) and DSM 5 (2013) Have been introduced since, but the core principle is basically the same. Its really in the details where most of the changes are.
1. Hoffman really did fart in the phonebooth. Being professionals, they worked through it in character. 2. For me, the first indication to me that Charlie starts caring for Raymond is the porch scene with the farm family. 3. The casino would have swapped out the dealer before taking the step of kicking them out. 4. The high-end hooker was just working, and it's doubtful she turned them in. 5. I suspect Charlie has a bit of his "piece of work" father has just as Raymond got the completely different personalities. (mentally/emotionally) 6. One of my top personal growth movies. 7. Hopefully, Charlie will be less self-centered and toxic.
I am personally invested too, my landlords dad had autism when I was 11. I have to have a therapy dog because of it now at 43 in order to get on an airplane.
I hate that. Or when they start asking questions about what's going on while the characters are explaining what's going on and subsequently, they miss it.
If you want a character to hate more than early Charlie, check out "the Green Mile". Big emotions in that one though. This is a great film and amazing performances from everyone at a time where Autism was practically unheard of in the general populace. Nice reaction and well done on battling the tears because this film hits the feels really hard.
I’m not a big fan of Tom Cruise’s acting, but this and The Last Samurai are pretty good efforts from him. I wonder if it’s when he’s beside great performances that he also brings out his A+ game. All that being said, his Les Grossman from Tropic Thunder is his magnum opus.
This movie really tugs at my heartstrings. My main man Raymond. 🥹 of course you’re the perfect reactor for this. Such a good read on character’s emotions and needs. P.s.: omg I can so relate to that issue with socks! I still have it though. When I feel that line against the top of my toes it drives me insane. And if I’m wearing boots when it happens… nightmare fuel.
Charlie stopping the interview to stop causing his brother pain was him finally loving and putting someone else first. Dustin Hoffman should of got an academy for that but Cruise is equally as impressive as he starts as a spoiled brat and ends as a loving brother
It's never explained why Susanna wanted to kiss Ray in the elevator, but to me she wants Ray to grow and have experiences he may not have ever had, and may not ever have the chance to again. It's a sweet moment IMO.
I never understood people acting surprised at this or not understanding. It is very clear. She feels sorry for him. She is being a friend. There is nothing erotic or sexual in the least in it. It is sweet and most of all-compassionate.
@@richardedenfield5167 Yes. 50 years ago these subtleties were understood.
Exactly! Also, Susanna is Italian and Europeans don't have the same "hang ups" about invading personal space or showing affection that Americans do. It's VERY much in her character to enact such a sweet gesture for Raymond, knowing that he's probably NEVER going to experience romantic intimacy and receive his "first kiss" opportunity going forward.
She’s a saint and she wanted Ray to feel things that he never had the opportunity to experience before. It was an innocent moment that really went along with her caring and sweet character
I always looked at it as she was trying to detract him from the elevator being stuck and used the kiss to do it.
Autism is on a VERY large spectrum now. Not so back then, most autistic characteristics were check marks on a report card.
"What you have to understand is, four days ago he was only my brother in name. And this morning we had pancakes."
This is a great family movie about brothers, a rare subject matter for Hollywood.
As much as I detest how they treat General Custer, I think Dustin Hoffman's performance in Little Big Man (1970) is his absolute best. If I wasn't a student of history, I'd buy that movie's revisionist agitprop. I still recommend that movie thoroughly.
Fun Fact: The elderly man in the waiting room who talks on and on about the Pony Express is Byron P. Cavnar, an 89-year-old local who was in the waiting room when the crew arrived to film there. He got to talking on his favorite subject, the Pony Express, and director Barry Levinson got such a kick out of it that he let Cavnar keep on talking as the cameras rolled. All his dialogue was spontaneous and not scripted.
Best Ending Fact: Dustin Hoffman fought for the ending where Raymond goes back to Wallbrook, even though the screenwriters both wanted him to end up with Charlie (Tom Cruise). Hoffman thought it wouldn't be true to Raymond's character if they had him stay.
Historical Fact: What Raymond Babbitt (Dustin Hoffman) says about Qantas was, and still is true. From 1921 to now, Qantas has never lost any jet airliners. They even promoted one of the movie's writers to first class once when he travelled on their airline.
You always have a way of adding something... mmm... massively tender... ish, when watching these old gems. Thank you for that. Again. And again.
Agreed and agreed, well put. :)
21:02 Always my favorite time when seeing reactions for this film: when the hard-hearted cynic learns his imaginary childhood friend was the part of his life he never knew he was missing.
It's amazing how that one seen where Charlie realizes that Raymond is the Rain Man changes your perception of Charlie. He instantly becomes a sympathetic character. Such a brilliant scene.
Yes then. Before they made the definition of autism include other types of people more than 50 percent were mute. My sister is one of them
Counting cards isn't illegal, but, because it gives you a slight advantage, casinos really don't want you to do it and will do what they can to make you stop up to and including having you ejected from the premesis and banned for life. Chances are your name and picture will be shared with other casinos and are likely to be caught and banned.
Casinos only make money if you lose.
@@GarthKlein Yeah, they accept that some people will win, but they relly don't like it when someone wins a lot.
As somebody who has had to deal with these difficulties I want to know you all that I care about and love you all!
Counting cards is not illegal. It can get you banned from a casino, but you won't go to jail if you're caught, although there was a day when you might just wake up in a six foot deep hole in the desert :-)
Both brothers are afflicted
They both act out, just in different ways
Supposedly, Hoffman really farted in the phone booth but they stayed in character and worked through the scene. LOL! Too funny.
I worked 30 years in the field and affecting or assuming a disability doesn't make anyone the least bit autistic. Social contagions however are a are currently growing population.
I know tons of people who hate that toe seam! ❤
Also once when my best friend and I were 14, my dad was driving us somewhere and ended up pulling the car over and refusing to drive another inch until we stopped repeating “97X…BAAAAM…the future of rock and roll” 😂😂😂 for some reason we were obsessed with that.
The socks thing. My daughter had sensory issues too, although she's growing out of them gradually, I completely understand what you were talking about with the socks. We used to have to order socks for her online that were made specifically to be seamless. We got used to buying a bunch of something, when it was the perfect cut that didn't bother her. So if she found a pair of shorts that she really liked, we will get them in every color. Same for undergarments, socks, T-shirts, leggings, etc. Just about exactly the time that we started to feel comfortable because her wardrobe wasn't causing a breakdown anymore, she will decide that those six pairs of shorts, or eight T-shirts, but now all of a sudden they are uncomfortable and might as well be donated, because she was definitely not going to put any of them on again.
Charlie's job is he imports exotic cars ... but before they can be used in America they have to be certified by the EPA (emissions and pollution agency). It isn't shady, but can be very frustrating.
I agree the turning point was at the bath, when Charlie realized Raymond cared for him, after losing his mother when he was baby and a father who didn't show affection, feeling of caring from his family turned him into a different man.
Empathy = a better world for all.
Qantas is the only major airline that keeps the airline scene in the in-flight movie.
You are the most emotionally, intellectually & spiritually satisfying reactor I've seen on UA-cam & I've seen dozens. It's a crime you have so few subscribers. I think if you were able to post at least 3 times per week, that number would skyrocket. Hope life cirumstances will allow you to do so this year. In the meantime, keep 'em coming!
Counting cards isn't illegal
Casino is using every edge against you
You should use everything to even the odds
@2:19 Iko Iko. I have this song on a single vinyl. One song per side. The other song is from the Vegas scenes.
To answer your question, “ is it good for severe autistics to be exposed to new things and be out in society?”
Yes, and no. Part of the reason that someone like Raymond’s autism is so severe is because he wasn’t exposed to things in the way that a child on the spectrum should be, because as you said there was so much ignorance about the condition in these times.
People who have autism that aren’t exposed to “normal” societal behaviors, at their own pace with the proper learning tools get further and further away from being able to deal with people, places, and life in general.
Because we’ve learned so much, people can have this condition, and there are people like Courtney Love, Dan Aykroyd, Daryl Hannah, Eminem, Elon Musk, Tim Burton, Jerry Seinfeld, and Sir Anthony Hopkins that can more than function in society, be incredibly successful, and have no one even take notice, at least to the point that you wouldn’t suspect anything immediately.
A lot of us had to grow out of the most severe parts of the condition. It’s a learning process that comes with life’s lessons.
YOU!!!! Made me cry, thank you....
Me having a son that have autism 3 (worst type) who is 12 and two daughters that is 2 and 3 have a situation not that dissimulator to in the movie.
What is really annoying with this movie and, really any Hollywood movie about people with psychological function handicap. Is that Hollywood always tend to confuse being smart and or knowledgeable with just having a incredible memory or skill to count.
Hoffman's acting is pretty much on point.
To be on the spectrum you have to have a locked behavior. There is 3 main sides. Language, Socials and behavior/flextiblity. If you have a defesit in one, the other two typically compensate. This is true for a lot of people, maybe even a majority. That will typically not hamper a person in any way shape or form.
If you have a deficit in two parts, the last one have to work three times as hard to compensate. This is typically somewhat handicapping and generally called autism 1. If you have deficit in all 3 you are totally locked out. This is typically autism 2 or 3 depending on how bad it is.
Because Rain man is living in a home, i would presume he suppose to have autism 3 due to people with autism 2 generally can live alone if supported, and even to some degree have a work life.
I have been in contact with autistic care for over a decade, and i have so far never meet a autistic person who is adult that can´t speak anything at all. Granted, some have very narrow set of communication skills, but most autistic people can speak when reach adulthood. Even in category 3. In category 2 you pretty much have to be able to speak to get in that.
On the plus side, this movie does an excellent depiction on how stressful it is to take care of someone with autism.
The general outcome of the movie is fairly realistic for the time it was set in. How autism is treated have advanced a lot since the 80s. Still the movie is somewhat after its time. The handbook and diagnose tool DSM III was written in 1980, and its basically the first sort of "modern" view of autism. Before that it was autism or not, after DSM 3 (1980) the idea of the spectrum was introduced. DSM 4 (1994) and DSM 5 (2013) Have been introduced since, but the core principle is basically the same. Its really in the details where most of the changes are.
You meet all my expectations in your reactions :)
1. Hoffman really did fart in the phonebooth. Being professionals, they worked through it in character.
2. For me, the first indication to me that Charlie starts caring for Raymond is the porch scene with the farm family.
3. The casino would have swapped out the dealer before taking the step of kicking them out.
4. The high-end hooker was just working, and it's doubtful she turned them in.
5. I suspect Charlie has a bit of his "piece of work" father has just as Raymond got the
completely different personalities. (mentally/emotionally)
6. One of my top personal growth movies.
7. Hopefully, Charlie will be less self-centered and toxic.
I am personally invested too, my landlords dad had autism when I was 11. I have to have a therapy dog because of it now at 43 in order to get on an airplane.
Great reaction! Take care, Cinderella Man is a movie you should watch
Dustin Hoffman is incredible in this movie 🎬
Do The Accountant, you will not be sorry.
You don't go to jail for counting cards lol
hello so at 612 into the movie when u mae your predictions it sounded like u saw the movie already to make that prediction right
why to movie reactors always try to predict the future of a movie lol
Never seen her do it this badly before. It was horrible.
I hate that. Or when they start asking questions about what's going on while the characters are explaining what's going on and subsequently, they miss it.
@@B-a-t-m-a-n i know right
During a reaction where viewers are looking forward to you discovering the film elements as it progresses? Not the best way.
I’m with you on the socks girl😂
If you want a character to hate more than early Charlie, check out "the Green Mile". Big emotions in that one though.
This is a great film and amazing performances from everyone at a time where Autism was practically unheard of in the general populace.
Nice reaction and well done on battling the tears because this film hits the feels really hard.
U need understand the limited knowledge of autism back when the movie was made
I’m not a big fan of Tom Cruise’s acting, but this and The Last Samurai are pretty good efforts from him.
I wonder if it’s when he’s beside great performances that he also brings out his A+ game.
All that being said, his Les Grossman from Tropic Thunder is his magnum opus.
Charlie couldn't have made a life for himself in Ohio.
Thank you. It would be appreciated if the coarse expletive language would be curtailed.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Nobody will be better in Ohio. Nobody!
Also the girlfriend is a horrible person..there is a video breaking down why she is a bad person....
What an idiotic take , grow up.
This movie really tugs at my heartstrings. My main man Raymond. 🥹 of course you’re the perfect reactor for this. Such a good read on character’s emotions and needs.
P.s.: omg I can so relate to that issue with socks! I still have it though. When I feel that line against the top of my toes it drives me insane. And if I’m wearing boots when it happens… nightmare fuel.