...how would you illegally download an image? Do these people even know how the internet works? I can see a webpage with an image on it BECAUSE MY BROWSER JUST DOWNLOADED EVERYTHING TO MY PC.
You just don't get it. E2 is so successful and powerful that they've already bought Nvidia and got their asses to work on Earth 2. Jensen just got too exited and shared it sooner that was planned.
I once heard that "in Buissness if you are talking to dumb people and pretend to be confident enough, you can make your pitch vague and the fools will fill in the blanks in a way that makes them happy" This is the whole basis of earth2.
It's especially bad in the tech world. Where even legit people often have to be grifty when getting funding because of the tech illiteracy of so many investors.
If they can't be bothered to spend the money on real assets (for the web site if nothing else), then I'm pretty sure that they won't be spending money on legal action against "slander".
Except they would, plenty of lawyers in this field operate with 'we only charge you if we win' so many times there is little to no cost (sometimes just a filing fee) unless they are counter-sued. The mindset on E2 is 'press button, make money.' These same people think libel lawsuits are just 'call lawyer, make money.' The lawsuits against SidAlpha, Karl Jobst and others are proof. They think it's a money machine, and they think it's effective bullying, and they do it all the time, with zero knowledge of what libel is, or how the system works.
@@Darkwolfe73 But how many layers would take up a slander case. Such cases are extremely hard to prove, take months or years to proceed, and are only as lucrative as the people they are suing can pay out. Which in the case of random internet critics isn't very much. Keep in mind we are talking about lawyers and legal firms, not some random lunatic suing on their own in a hopeless case against Sidalpha or some other youtuber.
Like that isn't even the biggest issue... they could've literally imported the asset into Unity and then took a picture and credit the creator in the image they made as opposed to taking a screenshot of the marketing picture. Process would've taken like 1-2 minutes tops.
@@usosaito.namahage This assumes that the person doing the web design has access to unity, or any experience with game engines, game assets, or anything other than photoshop. The game devs wont be the people handling this, and wouldnt be taking the time to coordinate, given the lack of effort or care surrounding the project as a whole. Remember that this is likely just a huge NFT style grift.
@@ironsides982 Unity is a free download and that asset store page they showed you literally just download and import it. Done... If that basic effort of clicking download and import is too much then clearly shouldn't be doing that for a job. This has been a big NFT scam since it first saw light.
How would his legal department just go over him? I mean, I seriously doubt Earth 2 actually has a legal department, but I’m pretty sure company employed lawyers wouldn’t just go on legal crusades on behalf of the company of their own volition.
The only possible way for someone to go over Shane's head is if he's not the majority shareholder. I was under the impression that he was. Very confusing. But I agree with you, I don't think they have a legal department (other than in Shane's head).
It is Shane backing away from owning up from his own actions. If he tries suing anyone and loses badly in court he can blame the legal department for going over him.
I know its been said before, but when you say stuff like "The User Agreement is X" you should probably show it on screen so e2 people cant go "he's just saying stuff to say stuff"
@@scottrussell360 Yeah, but if Callum shows it on screen, its nto a "they said vs we said" argument, its "No, here is the agreement, and here is where you broke it" So anyone new looking at this project can see "oh wait, these guys (e2) are full of it" its like the one response said: "If I was new I wouldnt be able to find your side of the story" You're not trying to convince die hard supports, you're trying to show people on the fence why they shouldnt hop into e2
Anyone that claims to not believe him is free to post the section from the EULA that he got wrong. I agree with you, but I think that the E2 community would love to take a chance to EXPOSE! one of the ‘scamtubers’ as liars if the chance came up. If they don’t, you can safely assume he got it right. But again, putting it on the screen IS the better idea, 100%
When this debacle is all over, i look forward to seeing a recap of this entire disasterous venture laid before us in like a 2hr video, and we'll all be like "well... this certainly happened..."
I can almost guarantee you one thing, Shane has no "legal", if he did he'd know the first rule of a lawsuit is to never say anything and certainly don't tell the people you're trying to sue about it before they're served. Literally anything and everything he says publicly is a piece of evidence that might be used against him during the hearing, its pretty common practice to have any statements he might want to make checked over by "legal" before making them. Mind you, If the state of his "game" bears any resemblance to the state of his "legal" department then I can only assume he hired Lionel Hutz 😂😂
There once was a place named Earth 2, Whose graphics looked more like poo poo. Then they needed a tree, so they stole it for free, Cause that's just what broke scammers do!
If their legal team is as effective as their dev team, I would not be surprised if they ended up suing themselves. This might sound like a joke, but I said Star citizen will not release before a new engine makes it obsolete. That was ajoke, and we have unreal engine 5 now.
Haven't they already migrated once from Lumberyard to UE4 and reworked several of the models to keep up with current high quality standards multiple times?
@@JohnSmith-ox3gy and in time, im sure they will migrate again long before the game is even close to done and have to restart parts of development all over again.
the way the community turns on supporters is very similar to Star Citizen. Star Citizen is 11 years, approx 700 million dollars, still pre-alpha, and anyone who says a bad thing gets death threats.
Shane should look at how Chris Handles Critics, the only time he got ‘legal’ involved was when a former backer was doxxing his wife and children, and making up shit about how his wife was doing x rating movie’s
To be fair, Star Citizen can be played, you can enter the world do something and try some available ship. at least they have a vision on what their game is. Though the quality is nowhere close to the time and money invested. E2 still doesn't even know what the game was supposed to be. fps? tps? sim city? the 3d building before was just cheap assets to try faking a wip / development progress. the only thing they spent energy is on how to grab your cash. In a sense even dreamworld look more legit than E2 as a game.
I still think it is funny that in both the Matrix and Ready Player 1 the bad thing about the plots was the virtual world...and they want to emulate that lol.
You know Shane is so anti consumer. Him going for legal action would be genuinely stupid for him. He would have to actually show their progress to prove that what is being said is slander, which he can't do because there is nothing being developed.
I really want to know what's the thought process behind the "I'm gonna revolutionize everything" type of project because that feels like a talk I had with my friends and cousins when we were less than 10 years old, not understanding what it means to actually work on something and even less consequences of a "revolution".
The thought process is probably just to say anything and hope people throw money your way. Shane is dumb but I don't think he's dumb enough to believe in what he's promising.
I know I’m probably gonna get shafted for this but let’s call it for what it is a scam and the more eyes on it the more scrutiny which means less potential new suckers. That’s what makes them angry not the content made about it, this is really Hilarious to watch unfold 😂
Funny thing: it's incredibly hard to prove slander or defamation, as often time you have to prove actual malice, which is incredibly. While UK and Australia courts may differ, it is still an incredibly hard claim to prove, not to mention critique falls under fair use, which would also shut down those claims. Not to mention you have to prove financial loss as a result of those slanderous or defamatory claims.
Defamation is making injurious comments in written form and slander is in verbal form. Neither has to be proven to result in financial loss, rather it is reputational damage in the first instance. Neither requires malice aforethought. Shane would struggle to get any lawyer to pursue a case as it would be extremely detrimental, given the fact it would put him and his fucking woeful project under the spotlight and as we all know, actions have consequences. Any lawyer would tell him he was fucked from the get go. The legal process called discovery would absolutely slaughter him. He might act tough against UA-camrs, but would get ripped to shreds by a barrister or QC. Please Santa Jebus, make it happen...
@@BadYossa Right, a lot of people think that it's you show up the next day in court with your "Evidence" and lawyer, when really it's often months if not years of litigation.
Nooooo….Daddy Shane, how could you? I refuse to believe the messiah of the metaverse and gaming would do this. Daddy Shane is perfect and totally isn’t the leader of a cult.
Your explanation about the circle jerk raising the price is also how the current domain auctions are working as well. It is really bad, and it makes it worse because domains have an actual value. So quite a lot of new startup companies get screwed being forced to buy a very expensive domain that shouldn't be near the price it is.
Has this kind of thing been reported to fair trade regulators? It's literally a scam and cannot be legal. Whether or not any enforcement action actually happens is another thing, but regulators have to know about it first and dismayingly it seems like people in 2022 think that complaining about something on twitter is equivalent to reporting it to authorities.
They love to try and flex over this but criticising a product on the internet isn't illegal, nor is it defamation. No matter how much it makes them cry at night.
Hey Callum, i love your content, wish you had a channel of best moments of your live streams, i kind of don't have enough time to watch them entirely. hugs from Brazil
Excellent video, really enjoyed it. I've mainly watched Kira's Earth2 content (or is it Earth-2? NO idea...), but I might have to watch some of yours too ;)
Like anything these days, the moment you critique something you are either instantly banned or called a hater and a troll. It feels like critique is no longer acceptable to avoid hurting somebody's feelings.
It is especially no longer acceptable by the people who are using this scam to con ever more people out of their money. Because if people get a whiff of the truth they will run out of marks.
To be fair, in court they could argue that they've delivered hundreds of hours of entertaining content in form of UA-cam videos critiquing E2. I mean, it's Cyberpunk level screenwriting: there's theft, dishonesty, drama, I'm sure there is sex somewhere... Also, here is a completely random thought about web 1-2-3 (It'll be a bit long, but bear with me). If you remember the days when Internet came to being, you might know that it was pretty much unusable. There's a talk about X (Unix display server) by amazing engineer Keith Packard (The political history of X - go watch it if you interested in computer science or software engineering), where he talks briefly about its state at inception. Web 1 was something necessary - when a group of very smart people actually fixed the internet, finally, you can present your company or self for everyone too see, start selling things or services etc. Clear advantage was, for companies, significantly better outreach cheaper, and for customers it was the choice. Web 2 introduced something even more interesting - user-generated content. Meaning that I, as individual with, quoting Liam Neeson's character, 'a particular set of skills', am able to now share those skills with others and maybe even get compensated for it. Or share ideas, opinions, and of course, the whole point of all of that, pictures of cute animals. Now the question. What exactly of that level introduces so-called Web 3? Finally having ability to shove more stupid ads down our throats and get more money from us by selling literally nothing? Isn't it exiting? (No)
I guess the "dream" is that Web3 is a virtual world that we can just live in. Not just sharing content or ideas, but the... whole of... being... I guess. It makes sense in my head. You know: Direct connectivity to people, not just their creations. Social media with extra steps I guess? The reality, of course, is that "Web3" is 30% idea men, selling their lofty ambitions to the other 70% (which is anonymous financial transactions). It's a huge concept that has completely rotted through so it's just a hollow pit that people throw money into for some reason. Then they keep trying to convince themselves that, if they keep throwing in money, it'll eventually develop into something real. Meanwhile everyone else see's it for what it is. In the end, the crypto bros are just calling it "Web3" so they can pretend it's not just the biggest scam in history. We might see a real Web3 sometime after there's an actual breakthrough in technology (not before), but it'll be something else entirely.
@@PrionicProteins I was under the assumption that Web3 would maybe the form of lag-less internet (at least down to cable speeds). I have no idea how it could possibly work but I sure there's some genius who will figure it out.
@@Vandassar I think you've mistaken a bit technology with the concept. The technology is potentially 5G - there are literally barely any advantages besides latency and (in very rare cases) speed increases. Web N is, in the other hand, a concept of what actually gets delivered over this 5G or whatever, and in what form. In form of horrible jpeg-selling shit, seemingly. :)
This E2 debacle has been a fascinating trainwreck. It's a gift that keeps on giving. Every time it strains belief, it ponies up and does one better. Very amusing content.
Haha "if I was new it would be impossible to get your side of the story" When I started looking into this, I decided to ONLY look at Shane's videos and their website in my video. Their side was confusing and inaccurate and yes, confusing. It's true it was damn near impossible to find out what they meant E2 even was! 😂
Now i'm sitting here, wondering: Wasn't a huge part of E2's the promise of 'Red Dead Redemption 2 Graphics'? Why would they publicly and for marketing purposes show Low Poly [Anything]? As a dev asset it would be fine, but you wouldn't put dev assets as showcases on your website. So what the hell?! It's just a joke of a project, with utterly imcompetent people.
Earth 2 and the company never fail to amaze me how absolutely incompetent they are. Let's look at this objectively. All the gaming scams and jokes over the last few years alone- all the Kickstarters, all the viral bad marketing and collapsing examples. Many were absolute jokes, but none were as continually incompetnet as this. Take Dreamworld. A laughable example, but at least they are now trying to do something, and when you compare the two, they are light and dark. They have made some progress and have learned. Shane hasn't. He has learned nothing, he has shown nothing. It has been many months since the whole acquisition of that cars driving over landscape thing. How many other games have still NOTHING to show after such time? That should speak volumes. He's making the same poor excuses and same poor mistakes.
@@Mehrunes86 I could easily. Because he'd fuck that up too. He'd come out and publicise and boast that he's buying it. Then you'd get the PR from Dreamworld saying "what? News to us". Then you'd get the news that Shane stupidly Googled the wrong thing called Dreamworld and bought a supermarket instead. And it'd be WAY over priced too. Such is the way of a dumbass.
when he said "we cant guarantee the outcome if it means legal getting involved" what he meant is: "i cant guarantee we will win if it gets to that stage"; which can be taken as him "almost" admitting that he knows its a scam and if it went to court not only would he lose but also be forced to admit its a scam
"You are the exit strategy." Pretty much sums up the entire crypto/NFT/metaverse community as a whole. Those of us not inside are the whales, not the captains.
Can't wait to hear what else you found out. Shane isn't even denying those resource validation claims. People in discord are saying they are just putting random messages in their claims and getting approved. So everyone staking essence on the claims are getting double the essence. Shane making sure the essence is spread out real thin so the value isn't too high if he actually goes thru with turning essence to crypto.
Its notable that unity licenses normally are only permitted so long as its used with unity as well, unless theyre working with unity in their project and paying unity royalties this would be a breach even if theyre allowed to use the marketing
If they attempt lawsuits then they're opening themselves up for discovery, they'd be required to turn over a significant amount of their business transactions and dealing in court which would then become public record. If it's not a scam it wouldn't be a big deal but if they aren't on the level they're going to get completely plowed under in court.
Callum, I guarantee you that Shane has already sought out legal counsel and advice on "scamtubers", and he is now bluffing on Twitter about taking the high road, because his legal council has told him that he has no case whatsoever.
All those investors and money and they just straight up zero effort images for "advertising". I think the employees are scamming him too because he doesn't know how to check their work.
At this point Earth 2 is basically just Shane who fiddles around with the website and otherwise ranting on Twitter, the few whales and earth2 youtuber who circle-trade their stuff.
In the world of air generated art, there’s zero excuse for stealing from artists. Not that I’m thrilled with what si art is gonna do to tons of artists.
If Shane tries the lawsuit thing it will blow up in his face. You, Kira, SidAlpha, Bigfry, just to name a few would have word out pretty damn fast. I don’t think Shane is that stupid (honestly I don’t) after what happened the last time something like this happened. But we shall see.
I think the correct term for items/assets/stocks being traded back and forth is called wash trading, and insider trading is when you sell assets based on insider information not available to the public. You probably knew that and just used the wrong term, but I thought I'd point it out just in case you're planning to do a more indepth video in the future.
The game is Monopoly, but to play you have to buy Monopoly money with real money, and with Shane as the Banker. And most of the squares are Old Kent Road.
NFT's are behaving exactly the way any 'fashion' items do - the value, the appeal is transient. And Shane's use of "legal action" as a threat is the standard response to criticism; they use it to scare, regardless of if they have any case to present. It's like those folks who are recorded doing something stupid - they usually start with "You filmin' me? I'll call the cops! You can't do that!"
"Ah yes, I take the high road and challenge a single individual to do what we took us 2 years as a team of a dozen people, in 7 days. Then, I'll call him out every single day for incompetence, especially during the am's."
Shane doesn't seem to understand that FOMO doesn't work when you can see for yourself you're not missing out on anything. (I also feel like FOMO doesn't work for Earth 2 because people are afraid of much bigger things for the coming months in Earth One)
I don't think the Unity Asset Store's license agreement has any standing in Earth2. I love you Callum, but you have a Earth1 centric perspective that honestly is quite alarming. I didn't think you were this close-minded. 😏
You know the real frustration to us in the indie scene? Fact that these guys actually managed to get super popular.. That is so hard to do that wasting it on a scam is just painful to watch. Me and everyone else who's made a game want to get eyes on it, want to provide value, but these guys already have eyes on their project, literally just make it a real game, scale down the promises to something realistic and you can make a successful game. Ask any dev if they can come up with ideas what to do with their current grid system and you'll get a ton of ideas on games that *can* be made and you can possibly get the minimum viable product out within months
'Go anywhere and do anything', wait, does that mean I could go into this hypothetical MMO and basically destroy everything? E.g. Set off the worlds nuclear bombs and let Dr Bright do whatever he wants? Now that I think about it, I'm not sure this game can succeed even if they 'prove us wrong' by it's own concept.....could be a cool plot for a cyberpunk dystopian media though.
It's gonna be P2E/P2W, so basically by definition you will always be heavily restricted and tied to the leash/collar that sugardaddy Shane puts around your neck. Unless you spend a whole lot of money. And even then they will make sure to rule over the things you can or cannot do rather strictly. Because if even most "normal" or "legacy" games (as they call what we're currently playing) struggle to satisfy these wettest of wet gamer dreams that you portrayed there, then why should Shane succeed to do that in a game that will attach even more money labels to and need to rebalance everything much more often than even your worst current MTX-heavy P2W games do? Should you have watched or plan to watch most of their videos, then you will notice that it's almost always only ether here, essence there, mentar this, jewel that, whitepaper when, trading then and so on. If they are already so f*cking busy and concerned with mostly just that stupid monetization hellscape fineprint then I don't wanna know how much worse it will get once they actually push out a proper product with presumably millions of people playing it and of whom many will be hellbent on rigging the P2E game to their advantage just so they can strike gold and finally go "to the moon". "You can do everything" is of course marketing/buzzword bullsh*t, just as "millions of players", "Ready Player One", "Matrix" or "Red Dead Redemption 2 graphics". None of us believe them that crap. The E2 followers on the other hand...
The license is right there and it doesn't state anything being claimed in the video. Neither store requires attribution for anything on them. The only if is whether or not whoever put it up there had the asset themselves, which I still think only applies to contractors. I'm not willing to sift through a license for an engine I don't use if they have some specific stipulation about marketing materials, first look says no.
Just FYI, I don't think you mean to use the phrase "insider trading." I only mention this because I don't know if any of the parties involved are litigious, and the UK has _really_ plaintiff-friendly defamation law. "Insider trading" essentially refers to the illegal use of non-public information in buying or selling stock. (Say Mark Zuckerberg, because he is CEO of Facebook, knows a memo is going to leak on Wednesday that proves the company is just a big research experiment to see how many teenagers they can get to jump off bridges. On Tuesday, because he knows this, he sells all his Facebook stock. That's insider trading.)
For them to know how to take a picture of their asset in the game to use for marketing they would need to know what the screenshot key is. Or have a actual game...
If shane wanted to make a game he could have said ,,Hey we are making a new sandbox game, basically a 3d factorio set on earth". People would be interested and Earth 2 people would most likely be able to pull it off. Instead he opted to do NFT bs that is worth less then nothing and some weird promises about a game they will never be able to fullfil
They never had any intention of fulfilling those promises. Those promises were just to con more people out of their money. Star Citizen does the same thing.
"You wouldn't download an image illegally would you!?" The jpeg mafia will not be happy with you Shane
You mean a "piece of art" lmao!?
...how would you illegally download an image? Do these people even know how the internet works? I can see a webpage with an image on it BECAUSE MY BROWSER JUST DOWNLOADED EVERYTHING TO MY PC.
@@onomatopoeia7505 I mean the entire NFT scam is based around people not understanding technology.
JPEG Godfather: "Look How They Massacred My Picture.."
It's only illegal when it's not them that are doing it
I hope this will not endanger the cooperation between Earth 2 and Nvidia!🤪
I'm sure they have already Intel, MS, Google, Starbucks, etc. on board for collaborations, so the project should be safe... :)
@@christopherzajonskowski7123 yeah they're just waiting for the market sentiment to improve before announcing them all lmao
I heard that they are now working with Putin to make all the world buy sport spandex! ;)
🤣
You just don't get it. E2 is so successful and powerful that they've already bought Nvidia and got their asses to work on Earth 2. Jensen just got too exited and shared it sooner that was planned.
nft people: "no, you can't own the picture by just right-click and save an image!"
also nft people: (does the exact thing)
I once heard that "in Buissness if you are talking to dumb people and pretend to be confident enough, you can make your pitch vague and the fools will fill in the blanks in a way that makes them happy"
This is the whole basis of earth2.
Works wonders in politics as well.
It's especially bad in the tech world. Where even legit people often have to be grifty when getting funding because of the tech illiteracy of so many investors.
Brace yourself guys, the "It is with heaviest of hearts..." from Shane is coming.
If they can't be bothered to spend the money on real assets (for the web site if nothing else), then I'm pretty sure that they won't be spending money on legal action against "slander".
Except they would, plenty of lawyers in this field operate with 'we only charge you if we win' so many times there is little to no cost (sometimes just a filing fee) unless they are counter-sued. The mindset on E2 is 'press button, make money.' These same people think libel lawsuits are just 'call lawyer, make money.' The lawsuits against SidAlpha, Karl Jobst and others are proof. They think it's a money machine, and they think it's effective bullying, and they do it all the time, with zero knowledge of what libel is, or how the system works.
@@Darkwolfe73 But how many layers would take up a slander case. Such cases are extremely hard to prove, take months or years to proceed, and are only as lucrative as the people they are suing can pay out. Which in the case of random internet critics isn't very much.
Keep in mind we are talking about lawyers and legal firms, not some random lunatic suing on their own in a hopeless case against Sidalpha or some other youtuber.
Like that isn't even the biggest issue... they could've literally imported the asset into Unity and then took a picture and credit the creator in the image they made as opposed to taking a screenshot of the marketing picture. Process would've taken like 1-2 minutes tops.
@@usosaito.namahage This assumes that the person doing the web design has access to unity, or any experience with game engines, game assets, or anything other than photoshop. The game devs wont be the people handling this, and wouldnt be taking the time to coordinate, given the lack of effort or care surrounding the project as a whole. Remember that this is likely just a huge NFT style grift.
@@ironsides982 Unity is a free download and that asset store page they showed you literally just download and import it. Done... If that basic effort of clicking download and import is too much then clearly shouldn't be doing that for a job. This has been a big NFT scam since it first saw light.
How would his legal department just go over him? I mean, I seriously doubt Earth 2 actually has a legal department, but I’m pretty sure company employed lawyers wouldn’t just go on legal crusades on behalf of the company of their own volition.
The only possible way for someone to go over Shane's head is if he's not the majority shareholder. I was under the impression that he was. Very confusing. But I agree with you, I don't think they have a legal department (other than in Shane's head).
They don't have a legal department, unless you count Shanes rolodex.
The only reason they would take action without being told to would be against him when they realize he's not paying them
oh earth 2 has a legal department, it's just that they reside IN earth 2, and laws aren't gonna be implemented there until phase 3.
It is Shane backing away from owning up from his own actions. If he tries suing anyone and loses badly in court he can blame the legal department for going over him.
I know its been said before, but when you say stuff like "The User Agreement is X" you should probably show it on screen so e2 people cant go "he's just saying stuff to say stuff"
But they'd say that anyway.
@@scottrussell360 Yeah, but if Callum shows it on screen, its nto a "they said vs we said" argument, its "No, here is the agreement, and here is where you broke it" So anyone new looking at this project can see "oh wait, these guys (e2) are full of it" its like the one response said: "If I was new I wouldnt be able to find your side of the story" You're not trying to convince die hard supports, you're trying to show people on the fence why they shouldnt hop into e2
@@ThunderChanter valid points all round.
At this point thankfully only suckers would put cash into this dumpster fire anyway.
@@scottrussell360 this is the calmest conversation I've seen today thanks guys
Anyone that claims to not believe him is free to post the section from the EULA that he got wrong. I agree with you, but I think that the E2 community would love to take a chance to EXPOSE! one of the ‘scamtubers’ as liars if the chance came up. If they don’t, you can safely assume he got it right. But again, putting it on the screen IS the better idea, 100%
When this debacle is all over, i look forward to seeing a recap of this entire disasterous venture laid before us in like a 2hr video, and we'll all be like "well... this certainly happened..."
Then watch it again when Asmongold releases his 6hr critique of the documentary
@@georgercop And then watch it again when Josh reacts to Asmons reaction
@@KUPSMusic Idk, do we really have a weekend free? xD
I hope Internet Historian covers it.
I still wonder if they meant to bail long ago with all the money, but Shanes pride prevented him from doing so because he was called out on the scam.
That'd be really damn stupid. But average IQ these days seems to be approacing room temperature so... who knows.
I can almost guarantee you one thing, Shane has no "legal", if he did he'd know the first rule of a lawsuit is to never say anything and certainly don't tell the people you're trying to sue about it before they're served. Literally anything and everything he says publicly is a piece of evidence that might be used against him during the hearing, its pretty common practice to have any statements he might want to make checked over by "legal" before making them. Mind you, If the state of his "game" bears any resemblance to the state of his "legal" department then I can only assume he hired Lionel Hutz 😂😂
At least Lionel Hutz is funny
There once was a place named Earth 2,
Whose graphics looked more like poo poo.
Then they needed a tree, so they stole it for free,
Cause that's just what broke scammers do!
Very strange...I normally spend $200--$2000 when I steal something
To the top with you, Sir.
I read this in the bard voice you find in the Skyrim inns
i LOVE roasts in the form of limerick. we need to make these more popular
appreciating the rhymes you provide in the comments
If their legal team is as effective as their dev team, I would not be surprised if they ended up suing themselves.
This might sound like a joke, but I said Star citizen will not release before a new engine makes it obsolete. That was ajoke, and we have unreal engine 5 now.
Haven't they already migrated once from Lumberyard to UE4 and reworked several of the models to keep up with current high quality standards multiple times?
@@JohnSmith-ox3gy and in time, im sure they will migrate again long before the game is even close to done and have to restart parts of development all over again.
Something tells me that making an early access version of a live service game was a tincey wincey little bit of a mistake.
Star citizen won't release until someone is literally filming the human race settling the galaxy.
@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic No no, they will then have to change the game to reflect a more realistic way.
the way the community turns on supporters is very similar to Star Citizen. Star Citizen is 11 years, approx 700 million dollars, still pre-alpha, and anyone who says a bad thing gets death threats.
sunk cost fallacy?
@@frozenfeonix1328 very much so
At least one thing they will definitely deliver. ;)
Shane should look at how Chris Handles Critics, the only time he got ‘legal’ involved was when a former backer was doxxing his wife and children, and making up shit about how his wife was doing x rating movie’s
To be fair, Star Citizen can be played, you can enter the world do something and try some available ship. at least they have a vision on what their game is. Though the quality is nowhere close to the time and money invested.
E2 still doesn't even know what the game was supposed to be. fps? tps? sim city? the 3d building before was just cheap assets to try faking a wip / development progress. the only thing they spent energy is on how to grab your cash.
In a sense even dreamworld look more legit than E2 as a game.
At this point they should apologize to the power plant workers for wasting the electrity used to power their computers and servers.
they are screaming in pain that they have to power there equipment for that crap..
What servers?
@@GeorgeMonet the ones where you can download anything you want
I still think it is funny that in both the Matrix and Ready Player 1 the bad thing about the plots was the virtual world...and they want to emulate that lol.
I thought it was the opposite with the Matrix. People considered the war of machines and Zion the uninteresting/troublesome bits.
@@Ergeniz I think he means that the plot of the matrix is that people wanted out of the matrix
It's always a good sign when this far into..."development" no-one can figure out how you play a game beyond "you can do things"
You know Shane is so anti consumer. Him going for legal action would be genuinely stupid for him. He would have to actually show their progress to prove that what is being said is slander, which he can't do because there is nothing being developed.
I really want to know what's the thought process behind the "I'm gonna revolutionize everything" type of project because that feels like a talk I had with my friends and cousins when we were less than 10 years old, not understanding what it means to actually work on something and even less consequences of a "revolution".
The thought process is probably just to say anything and hope people throw money your way.
Shane is dumb but I don't think he's dumb enough to believe in what he's promising.
I know I’m probably gonna get shafted for this but let’s call it for what it is a scam and the more eyes on it the more scrutiny which means less potential new suckers. That’s what makes them angry not the content made about it, this is really Hilarious to watch unfold 😂
Funny thing: it's incredibly hard to prove slander or defamation, as often time you have to prove actual malice, which is incredibly. While UK and Australia courts may differ, it is still an incredibly hard claim to prove, not to mention critique falls under fair use, which would also shut down those claims. Not to mention you have to prove financial loss as a result of those slanderous or defamatory claims.
Defamation is making injurious comments in written form and slander is in verbal form. Neither has to be proven to result in financial loss, rather it is reputational damage in the first instance. Neither requires malice aforethought.
Shane would struggle to get any lawyer to pursue a case as it would be extremely detrimental, given the fact it would put him and his fucking woeful project under the spotlight and as we all know, actions have consequences. Any lawyer would tell him he was fucked from the get go. The legal process called discovery would absolutely slaughter him. He might act tough against UA-camrs, but would get ripped to shreds by a barrister or QC.
Please Santa Jebus, make it happen...
@@BadYossa Right, a lot of people think that it's you show up the next day in court with your "Evidence" and lawyer, when really it's often months if not years of litigation.
Earth 2 truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
Giving everything besides a videogame, that is.
Impressive how much the community can help UA-camrs with research. As a viewer its impressive to see other viewers take that extra step to help out.
Nooooo….Daddy Shane, how could you?
I refuse to believe the messiah of the metaverse and gaming would do this.
Daddy Shane is perfect and totally isn’t the leader of a cult.
Your explanation about the circle jerk raising the price is also how the current domain auctions are working as well. It is really bad, and it makes it worse because domains have an actual value. So quite a lot of new startup companies get screwed being forced to buy a very expensive domain that shouldn't be near the price it is.
Has this kind of thing been reported to fair trade regulators? It's literally a scam and cannot be legal. Whether or not any enforcement action actually happens is another thing, but regulators have to know about it first and dismayingly it seems like people in 2022 think that complaining about something on twitter is equivalent to reporting it to authorities.
They love to try and flex over this but criticising a product on the internet isn't illegal, nor is it defamation. No matter how much it makes them cry at night.
Hey Callum, i love your content, wish you had a channel of best moments of your live streams, i kind of don't have enough time to watch them entirely.
hugs from Brazil
I second that
I third that
im actually working on a clips channel!
You can always watch "Josh Strife Says" clips, Callum is a frequently featured special guest. 🥸😉
@@Lenariet i already watch josh
Excellent video, really enjoyed it. I've mainly watched Kira's Earth2 content (or is it Earth-2? NO idea...), but I might have to watch some of yours too ;)
Like anything these days, the moment you critique something you are either instantly banned or called a hater and a troll. It feels like critique is no longer acceptable to avoid hurting somebody's feelings.
Let's put up a hard division between "hurting somebody's feelings" and "protecting the scam".
It is especially no longer acceptable by the people who are using this scam to con ever more people out of their money. Because if people get a whiff of the truth they will run out of marks.
To be fair, in court they could argue that they've delivered hundreds of hours of entertaining content in form of UA-cam videos critiquing E2. I mean, it's Cyberpunk level screenwriting: there's theft, dishonesty, drama, I'm sure there is sex somewhere...
Also, here is a completely random thought about web 1-2-3 (It'll be a bit long, but bear with me). If you remember the days when Internet came to being, you might know that it was pretty much unusable. There's a talk about X (Unix display server) by amazing engineer Keith Packard (The political history of X - go watch it if you interested in computer science or software engineering), where he talks briefly about its state at inception.
Web 1 was something necessary - when a group of very smart people actually fixed the internet, finally, you can present your company or self for everyone too see, start selling things or services etc. Clear advantage was, for companies, significantly better outreach cheaper, and for customers it was the choice.
Web 2 introduced something even more interesting - user-generated content. Meaning that I, as individual with, quoting Liam Neeson's character, 'a particular set of skills', am able to now share those skills with others and maybe even get compensated for it. Or share ideas, opinions, and of course, the whole point of all of that, pictures of cute animals.
Now the question. What exactly of that level introduces so-called Web 3? Finally having ability to shove more stupid ads down our throats and get more money from us by selling literally nothing? Isn't it exiting?
(No)
I guess the "dream" is that Web3 is a virtual world that we can just live in. Not just sharing content or ideas, but the... whole of... being... I guess. It makes sense in my head. You know: Direct connectivity to people, not just their creations. Social media with extra steps I guess?
The reality, of course, is that "Web3" is 30% idea men, selling their lofty ambitions to the other 70% (which is anonymous financial transactions). It's a huge concept that has completely rotted through so it's just a hollow pit that people throw money into for some reason. Then they keep trying to convince themselves that, if they keep throwing in money, it'll eventually develop into something real. Meanwhile everyone else see's it for what it is.
In the end, the crypto bros are just calling it "Web3" so they can pretend it's not just the biggest scam in history. We might see a real Web3 sometime after there's an actual breakthrough in technology (not before), but it'll be something else entirely.
You nailed it. Web3 isn't. Not yet, anyway. We may see a real web3 soon but what's out there now isn't anything of real meaning
@@PrionicProteins I was under the assumption that Web3 would maybe the form of lag-less internet (at least down to cable speeds). I have no idea how it could possibly work but I sure there's some genius who will figure it out.
@@Vandassar I think you've mistaken a bit technology with the concept. The technology is potentially 5G - there are literally barely any advantages besides latency and (in very rare cases) speed increases.
Web N is, in the other hand, a concept of what actually gets delivered over this 5G or whatever, and in what form. In form of horrible jpeg-selling shit, seemingly. :)
Sex.... with Shane? God if that man isn't a poster child of an INCEL.
The game is to see how many people throw money into the pit before crap hits the fan.
That's one of the most ironic "NFT moments" right there.
This E2 debacle has been a fascinating trainwreck. It's a gift that keeps on giving. Every time it strains belief, it ponies up and does one better. Very amusing content.
Oh yeah, Shane is totally going to open his company up to discovery by committing to a law suit..... Yeah right, never going to happen. NEVER.
Imagine that, a AAA tier meta verse NFT game company stealing images rather than making their own. That's definitely not a red flag at all >_>
I kinda hope Shane will sue the Shadow Cabale, would love to see the Shadow Cabale, unleasing their full power😁
They would only need about 6.5% and would still destroy that moron.
Haha "if I was new it would be impossible to get your side of the story"
When I started looking into this, I decided to ONLY look at Shane's videos and their website in my video. Their side was confusing and inaccurate and yes, confusing. It's true it was damn near impossible to find out what they meant E2 even was! 😂
Now i'm sitting here, wondering: Wasn't a huge part of E2's the promise of 'Red Dead Redemption 2 Graphics'? Why would they publicly and for marketing purposes show Low Poly [Anything]?
As a dev asset it would be fine, but you wouldn't put dev assets as showcases on your website. So what the hell?!
It's just a joke of a project, with utterly imcompetent people.
Earth 2 and the company never fail to amaze me how absolutely incompetent they are. Let's look at this objectively. All the gaming scams and jokes over the last few years alone- all the Kickstarters, all the viral bad marketing and collapsing examples. Many were absolute jokes, but none were as continually incompetnet as this.
Take Dreamworld. A laughable example, but at least they are now trying to do something, and when you compare the two, they are light and dark. They have made some progress and have learned. Shane hasn't. He has learned nothing, he has shown nothing.
It has been many months since the whole acquisition of that cars driving over landscape thing. How many other games have still NOTHING to show after such time?
That should speak volumes.
He's making the same poor excuses and same poor mistakes.
Imagine Shane buying Dreamworld.
@@Mehrunes86 I could easily. Because he'd fuck that up too. He'd come out and publicise and boast that he's buying it. Then you'd get the PR from Dreamworld saying "what? News to us". Then you'd get the news that Shane stupidly Googled the wrong thing called Dreamworld and bought a supermarket instead. And it'd be WAY over priced too.
Such is the way of a dumbass.
I'd love to see them take legal action.... discovery would be fantastic ;).
when he said "we cant guarantee the outcome if it means legal getting involved" what he meant is: "i cant guarantee we will win if it gets to that stage"; which can be taken as him "almost" admitting that he knows its a scam and if it went to court not only would he lose but also be forced to admit its a scam
in Earth 2, I want to wander the American Old West as a Shaolin monk, armed only with my spiritual training and my skill in martial arts.
When I looked up Earth2 this video automatically played right off the bat it shows how much Google cares about them or how little
The shadow cabal can never be silenced.
"You are the exit strategy."
Pretty much sums up the entire crypto/NFT/metaverse community as a whole. Those of us not inside are the whales, not the captains.
When is the next nightmare world update that what I'm really waiting on. Want to see what you and the team been up too.
loving that Earth 2 is even an asset flip now, and they didn't even do that properly either
'the matrix' and 'ready player one' were movies about dystopias, not something to aspire to.
I love to see that the next "bigest" thing is at the same level as my middle school presentations
Can't wait to hear what else you found out. Shane isn't even denying those resource validation claims. People in discord are saying they are just putting random messages in their claims and getting approved. So everyone staking essence on the claims are getting double the essence.
Shane making sure the essence is spread out real thin so the value isn't too high if he actually goes thru with turning essence to crypto.
7:30 "basically we don't have a case and know we would lose but we still want to seem threatening"
This is my favorite drama on the internet, especially since i'm not a Try Guys fan.
Shane "We're the biggest startup company ever" Uber *Waves in background*
Its notable that unity licenses normally are only permitted so long as its used with unity as well, unless theyre working with unity in their project and paying unity royalties this would be a breach even if theyre allowed to use the marketing
Those RDR 2 graphic level trees look amazing
If they attempt lawsuits then they're opening themselves up for discovery, they'd be required to turn over a significant amount of their business transactions and dealing in court which would then become public record. If it's not a scam it wouldn't be a big deal but if they aren't on the level they're going to get completely plowed under in court.
Callum, I guarantee you that Shane has already sought out legal counsel and advice on "scamtubers", and he is now bluffing on Twitter about taking the high road, because his legal council has told him that he has no case whatsoever.
It would be hilarious if they did try to pursue legal action. The discovery, in particular, would be delicious.
Their company is like the reverse of the take my money meme.
Callum, your mic is still so damn quiet, I have to risk being deafened by a discord alert to hear you.
All those investors and money and they just straight up zero effort images for "advertising". I think the employees are scamming him too because he doesn't know how to check their work.
At this point Earth 2 is basically just Shane who fiddles around with the website and otherwise ranting on Twitter, the few whales and earth2 youtuber who circle-trade their stuff.
In the world of air generated art, there’s zero excuse for stealing from artists. Not that I’m thrilled with what si art is gonna do to tons of artists.
If Shane tries the lawsuit thing it will blow up in his face. You, Kira, SidAlpha, Bigfry, just to name a few would have word out pretty damn fast. I don’t think Shane is that stupid (honestly I don’t) after what happened the last time something like this happened. But we shall see.
I think the correct term for items/assets/stocks being traded back and forth is called wash trading, and insider trading is when you sell assets based on insider information not available to the public. You probably knew that and just used the wrong term, but I thought I'd point it out just in case you're planning to do a more indepth video in the future.
The game is Monopoly, but to play you have to buy Monopoly money with real money, and with Shane as the Banker. And most of the squares are Old Kent Road.
NFT's are behaving exactly the way any 'fashion' items do - the value, the appeal is transient.
And Shane's use of "legal action" as a threat is the standard response to criticism; they use it to scare, regardless of if they have any case to present. It's like those folks who are recorded doing something stupid - they usually start with "You filmin' me? I'll call the cops! You can't do that!"
"Ah yes, I take the high road and challenge a single individual to do what we took us 2 years as a team of a dozen people, in 7 days. Then, I'll call him out every single day for incompetence, especially during the am's."
Image if the Earth 2 and Dreamworld projects merged...
lol...
For a project this big, why the fuck would they be using free assets...
wow! its amazing! they botched using a FREE asset! That takes some skill to be to that incompetent. Well done.
Shane doesn't seem to understand that FOMO doesn't work when you can see for yourself you're not missing out on anything.
(I also feel like FOMO doesn't work for Earth 2 because people are afraid of much bigger things for the coming months in Earth One)
Except he doesn't, because people have been buying into the grift that is Earth 2.
You see Mr. Bond, your tokens are actually _quite_ fungible. _(Evil Cackling)_
Me entering the video: "oh, E2 is probs suing youtubers who showed themselves downloading holobuildings"
I wonder if legal will take this out of his hands too!
I don't think the Unity Asset Store's license agreement has any standing in Earth2. I love you Callum, but you have a Earth1 centric perspective that honestly is quite alarming. I didn't think you were this close-minded. 😏
Ooh! Another look at the train that keeps on wrecking over and over again!
There's no requirement for crediting in the asset store eula.
But you're right if the marketing image isn't part of the package then you can't use it.
this action is what I presume to be one of the greatest examples of "hypocrisy"!
At 11m in, I think you mean "washing", not "insider trading".
We can't afford houses over here either haha. Glad to hear earth 2 is going down in flames. Coulda been another sc
You know the real frustration to us in the indie scene? Fact that these guys actually managed to get super popular.. That is so hard to do that wasting it on a scam is just painful to watch. Me and everyone else who's made a game want to get eyes on it, want to provide value, but these guys already have eyes on their project, literally just make it a real game, scale down the promises to something realistic and you can make a successful game. Ask any dev if they can come up with ideas what to do with their current grid system and you'll get a ton of ideas on games that *can* be made and you can possibly get the minimum viable product out within months
Apparently it’s not too easy to avoid given nVida’s recent misuse of an eye picture
'Go anywhere and do anything', wait, does that mean I could go into this hypothetical MMO and basically destroy everything? E.g. Set off the worlds nuclear bombs and let Dr Bright do whatever he wants?
Now that I think about it, I'm not sure this game can succeed even if they 'prove us wrong' by it's own concept.....could be a cool plot for a cyberpunk dystopian media though.
It's gonna be P2E/P2W, so basically by definition you will always be heavily restricted and tied to the leash/collar that sugardaddy Shane puts around your neck. Unless you spend a whole lot of money. And even then they will make sure to rule over the things you can or cannot do rather strictly.
Because if even most "normal" or "legacy" games (as they call what we're currently playing) struggle to satisfy these wettest of wet gamer dreams that you portrayed there, then why should Shane succeed to do that in a game that will attach even more money labels to and need to rebalance everything much more often than even your worst current MTX-heavy P2W games do? Should you have watched or plan to watch most of their videos, then you will notice that it's almost always only ether here, essence there, mentar this, jewel that, whitepaper when, trading then and so on. If they are already so f*cking busy and concerned with mostly just that stupid monetization hellscape fineprint then I don't wanna know how much worse it will get once they actually push out a proper product with presumably millions of people playing it and of whom many will be hellbent on rigging the P2E game to their advantage just so they can strike gold and finally go "to the moon".
"You can do everything" is of course marketing/buzzword bullsh*t, just as "millions of players", "Ready Player One", "Matrix" or "Red Dead Redemption 2 graphics". None of us believe them that crap. The E2 followers on the other hand...
Gotta love it when NFT bros 'right-click, save.'
The license is right there and it doesn't state anything being claimed in the video. Neither store requires attribution for anything on them. The only if is whether or not whoever put it up there had the asset themselves, which I still think only applies to contractors. I'm not willing to sift through a license for an engine I don't use if they have some specific stipulation about marketing materials, first look says no.
I know it's been a while since I've seen "Ready player one" but I don't remember it having low poly graphics?
Every time you post news about this company I put my head in my hands and just shake it sadly.
He won't take it to court. In the information he'd have to reveal to try and prove slander will destroy him.
Whatever happened with the massive security flaw that you mentioned last time?
I love it! They want to build ready player one but aren't even able to make a website that is well made and complains with basic copyright.
You can vote on Arya's channel in the Community for him to come back with content on Eart 2, please do, it'll be fun.
Imagine if you could go anywhere and do anything...Real Life Simulator 2022 Coming Soon!
Nice to hear about E2 from another member of the shadow cabal
The term you are looking for is “wash trading”, which is illegal in most countries.
People will loose so much money. Sorry to everybody who "invested" into this.
Earth 2 is basically peak EA: All microtransaction and no gameplay.
Just FYI, I don't think you mean to use the phrase "insider trading." I only mention this because I don't know if any of the parties involved are litigious, and the UK has _really_ plaintiff-friendly defamation law. "Insider trading" essentially refers to the illegal use of non-public information in buying or selling stock. (Say Mark Zuckerberg, because he is CEO of Facebook, knows a memo is going to leak on Wednesday that proves the company is just a big research experiment to see how many teenagers they can get to jump off bridges. On Tuesday, because he knows this, he sells all his Facebook stock. That's insider trading.)
For them to know how to take a picture of their asset in the game to use for marketing they would need to know what the screenshot key is.
Or have a actual game...
If shane wanted to make a game he could have said ,,Hey we are making a new sandbox game, basically a 3d factorio set on earth". People would be interested and Earth 2 people would most likely be able to pull it off. Instead he opted to do NFT bs that is worth less then nothing and some weird promises about a game they will never be able to fullfil
They never had any intention of fulfilling those promises. Those promises were just to con more people out of their money. Star Citizen does the same thing.
“But I checked the Creative Commons button on google images!”