Yes I know I said discomforable lmao. I was too far along to make that change. Remember that splatfest is for fun! You can be disappointed but please remember it’s to bring people together. I will be live today at 5pm EDT www.twitch.tv/kenknows
I'm only upset because the prompt was best leader. Shiver would probably fire people for criticizing her. If it was favorite idol, I would be "alright, anyways"
"Disappointed " who is Disappointed? Not me I chose the blue one hubby he chose the stingray. I don't like the middle I'm sorry she looks like a r#!=rded elf It wasn't "rigged " it is based off of wins. 😅😅 "Racism" are you serious bro??? Go outside and touch some grass it just a game. And dont chose a host chose the theme you want Also Shiver is a great white I love sharks Frye is I think an eel but she is scary looking to me ( has nothing to do with race) And big man is a manta ray ( sting ray) Just saying.
I think what attributes to the Shiver bias/Frye disfavour isn't colorism or racism necessarily, but pretty privilege. And yes I know race & color have a lot of impact on what is considered beautiful, but I'm making the distinction. Remember when Marina and Pearl were first revealed, everyone was already roasting Pearl and thirsting over Marina? I remember Marina having a lot of bias in Splatfests too, because she was the hot one, everyone wanted to be on her team. Pearl was disfavored because the fans considered her "ugly". I think that's a repeat of what's happening with Shiver vs Frye. Most people find Shiver more attractive, and so the Splatfests are biased to her.
Shiver and Frye do have very similar outfits as pointed out in the video, so the difference probably lies in the personalities, where shiver is often more composed and traditionally ladylike while Frye more often than not feels more energetic and childlike (although real ones know they're both the same on the inside). Not at all to say that skin color and what society teaches people to seek after as the ideal isn't also a potential factor.
It was definitely after octo expansion that people liked Pearl a little more. I think they should've built more lore before doing this splatfest. Funny enough I agree with you also. I don't think Frye is ugly by any means but I could definitely see little boys finding Shiver attractive especially in Japan.
@@adrianoctavioKeep in mind that Shiver being more composesd and traditionally ladylike is just her day persona. She's hella goofy. Frye, however, is the one who will legiterally beat ass
@@adrianoctavio To me, I find Frye's personality to be a little basic. She's just that bubbly lovable airhead that you find very often. Shiver on the other side, while cold and cool, still is super elegant and feminine. The combination of that is awesome to me.
I was on Team Frye cause I liked Frye. Mf's really send death threats and compare people to history's worst people over a PREFERENCE!? Get a friggin' grip. You see, this is why I can't associate with y'all.
I'll just say same. I like Frye, I'm not upset that she lost or that she's the least popular. At the end of the day, pixels on a screen are never going to oppress you.
Honestly all this is part of why it makes me kinda sad that more and more people just choose the idol they like's team, instead of just picking the team they genuinely agree with for the option. If you pick based on bias for the idol, that's when feelings really do start to get hurt.
It can also be a double edged sword, considering some splatfests can be pretty “biased”, such as the gear grub fun splatfest, they need to improve in splatfests themes
If you look into the story mode Frye has more leader qualities she’s always closest to the camera she is the only one to do the smoke bomb launch exit correctly and has the hardest boss. She can control a giant spinning cube and command eels to do a coordinated attack. Shiver always gets mad at the shark when you attack her as if she can’t control it too well, and has the easiest fight and can’t smoke bomb out correctly. People clearly didn’t care about the question and just chose favorite character. Since shiver is Japanese and the majority of players live in Japan it’s obvious why she absolutely dominated popularity as they love seeing their culture in the game.
I also picked frye because I think she would be a better leader, tho to shivers credit she is more mature that the others and even in the wiki it states she's all ready kind of leader. tho I would still say shiver.
Completely fair. I had finished the story mode on the first three days the game released so I didn't remember that and by the time people pointed it out I already had chose Shiver based on my thoughts. I wouldn't have had any hard feelings either way tho. Like I don't care who wins I just wanna have some fun on Splatfest. The results are just a fun addon to me that I don't even need
Brown southeast asian here, Frye has always been that cool representation we got in a Nintendo game, and yes everyone trashed on her. But honestly, none of them were flaming her for being dark or based on South Asia, they commented more on her forehead. To say that she is “more than a fictional idol,” respectfully, is giving chronically online I need to touch grass. She is a fictional idol. If you are seeking representation, help those in your community, support real life south asian creators… Frye made me so happy to finally get south asian rep in a Nintendo game, but at the end of the day we shouldn’t overdramatize it. It’s not world ending. It’s not the only representation we get. It’s just a cool FICTIONAL character based on our culture.
I think people are also upset about how Splatfests aren’t region locked anymore. Japanese players are more likely to support Shiver, not just cause of her socially acceptable appearance, but also because her character is based in real life Japan culture, so it gets a little patriotic in there too. Thus, they have an advantage in Shiver-biased numbers. And it’s honestly bigger than this specific “Shiver Vs Frye Vs Big Man” splatfest, and more about how Shiver’s splatfests had been continuously winning since the very beginning, and don’t look like it’ll stop any time soon. I personally always choose splatfest teams by what option is better, but i still really favor Frye as a brown person myself. Like the vid says, Frye nurtures that darker skinned representation in Splatoon, and personally it’s so disheartening how people have treated her so horribly especially since i’ve been with Splatoon since the first game. Seeing there finally be darker-skinned idols and getting them dogged on kind of sucks when you love the game so much. I absolutely love all of the idols (which seems to be a rare thing lately 😭) so I understand Shiver defenders fighting for their life from Shiver haters. It’s sad for any character to get dogged on tbh. And Shiver doesn’t deserve the hate, none of the idols do. Unfortunately, Nintendo’s unlikely to region lock cause of the splatoon content they’re working on either. It’s all just pretty much disheartening.
@@NotAnInternetTroll And I'm gonna be true to this situation, but not only Shiver is popular but her personality is what peaple seek and see in a leader. I was going to vote for her, but this time was a reason to finally compete for Team Frye (I first played Splatoon on "Power vs Wisdom vs Corage"). Shiver is seems to be the most serious, most inteligente and controled, and not because of her being japonese, but what vibes her personality gives. Frye is energetic and seems more imature because of that and Big man is to lovable. Peaple have a especific vision of an leader, and it is serius, responsible, controled and mature, not the vibe that looking in general Frye and Big Man gives :(
I was one of the Frye forehead big people when they were revealed and loved big man. Now Frye is my favorite ( didn’t take long for that to happen ) big man is second favorite as he’s adorable and shiver is shiver just not much appeal to me.
Frye was how I realized I liked big foreheads. With Pearl, I could argue that I liked her because she was a short gremlin and I related to that. Now I can't deny it. I blame Code Lyoko.
Honestly, the 'frye never gets good options' argument doesn't hold any weight to me any more. The only times Shiver ever got an option that seemed like 'the objectively right answer' are the Gear and Money splatfests. Every other option frye had gotten - fire, sweet, milk chocolate, aliens, wisdom, strawberry - they are not bad. They're actually very common. People love sweet food, and milk chocolate, and the last time I checked [don't quote on this though] _Aliens_ had more presence than Nessie. Damn, I think _Big foot_ had more presence than nessie. Smh. I know not everyone votes honestly, some people will go for their favorite idols only regardless of if they win or lose, but I do wish we could stop looking back at Frye's options as if they were the most low-tier bottom dollar picks, because they really weren't. Until the team gives her bad theme options, I can't sit here and honestly agree with that kind of notion. I agree with everything else you've said though and am glad you talked about it from how you see things regarding the splatfest. I'm with Gem however when it comes to the trash talking. It doesn't do any good. If I go to a splatoon event, I don't go to watch people trash on each other. Not only does that make things un-fun for the other people playing, but it also makes things uncomfortable to watch. I did not enjoy sitting through that video and eventually skipped ahead a little bit, because it's just not enjoyable. I remember watching the Splat3 championship stream, and saw a team squidbagging at some point. I can't remember which team it was, maybe it was Jackpot or another, but that's what it looked like anyways. Mocking the competition isn't out of the ordinary, but it doesn't make it fun to see. That's how I felt here, with Kyo doing all that. It's not new, no. But why does it _have_ to happen? Why does it feel like people have to argue to make sure everyone expresses some basic decency towards their competition? I don't really understand it, I'll be honest. The only effects I've seen from any trash talking in any kind of event were negative. At Best. You can easily place rules that run along the lines of "No heckling," or "Do not talk out with the intention to rile others up" the same way you can in a discord, or any other event really. Whether people _want_ that is up for debate obviously. But I don't believe this is one of those things that we have to stop at with 'Nothing can be done 🤷🏻♂'.
I can agree. As a person who votes based on theme and not on char I have been all over them. Like I chose fun (Big Man), Plant (Shiver), Sweet (Frye), Dark choco (Shiver), Aliens (Frye), Courage (Big Man), Mint Chip (Big Man) then I didn't choose but I probably woul've went with love(Big Man) and lastly I chose Shiver. So while it is not perfectly distributed it is simply based on preferences. Like I actualyl know a lot of people who like Milk Chocolate best but I just love Dark choco. I wish we could generally be more loving in the Splatoon community again. I think some people do take the Splatfests too seriously. They are about fun. So I am very sorry that POC feel attacked. I think Frye is cute and important to Deep Cut just as the other members. I also dislike trashtalk and the likes but I just stay away from it. Only kind I enjoy is fun stuff where you very obviously notice it is in good fun.
literally tho w the second part, "it's always been this way" is a non argument for something as malleable as social norms within certain communities. and tbh it's weird that when people express being uncomfortable with this kind of behaviour they're met with "get used to it" and "stop complaining" but those same people are so fast to defend the practice when it's called into question (basically both parties respond immediately with an emotional response so it's ludicrous the people who are fine w trash talking jump to label people complaining abt it as the emotional ones who need to get over things)
Money was definitely not the "objectively right answer", if anything Love was the most objective answer. Everyone online was pratically against it, making various arguments against it and mentioning that Money hadn't won either times it came during Splatoon 1 & 2.
@@poketronex Pretty much. I've always dislikes the "That's just how it is" stance, because while it's true, it doesn't Have to be. It doesn't Have to be that way any more, but when someone says that, it just tells me they are unwilling to change. And if they are, they can't see other people being willing to change, so they keep it that way for those people. The worst reason to do continue doing something is "because that's how it's always been." You can have a fair fight, and have everyone have fun, and have it Not devolve into some silly trash talking clown show that just leaves people upset in the end.
@@tacobanana6538 The money option isn't an objective answer in my eyes, but with the arguments some make, it can be seen as one. It's debatable. But if we take that away, it kind of just continues what I said prior. There hasn't really been an "objective answer" for any of the splatfests since Gear. It's been fairly balanced, surprisingly.
What I feel that a lot of the Shiver "haters" (whether real or just justifiably upset) seem to be failing to see is that apart from the Popularity portion, this splatfest was INSANELY close! like less than 1%. Even with Shiver's immense popularity lead, she still almost lost.
Exactly, i was crying out about "needing regional" until i actually sat and looked at the scores. Frye in second place for tri-color, big man for open, frye almost beating big man for pro. Its insanely close, so close that it actually seems fair which i now think it is, no one region is responsible for this outcome, its the ehole team working together to fight the handicaps and the throwers to achieve victory.
People say that every time but that does not negate the fact that every single splat fest has been won by the most popular team except for the time where the popularity had a less than 1% difference
I wonder how much colorism would affect Frye’s public perception. I really like the way she is now, I’m just curious because in Bollywood media, I hear lots of talks of colorism, where lighter skinned actors and actresses are favored over those with a darker skin tone. This is just what I’ve read about, but I believe it brings a valid point into the discussion. I picked Big Man, but I kinda wish I picked Frye, even with the results that came out!
I love shiver for her personality and shark theming and I love Frye for her chaotic personality I love the way her eyes are stylized. I hate that people are being so mean to frye
[rant, lol:] For most Splatfests, I would usually be on Shiver’s team. Not because Shiver themselves, but the option. Gear - logical. Power - Ganon is cool! Nessie - Scotland rep! 🏴🙌 Money - I’m not social enough for fame… However, for best leader, I went Frye, as I genuinely believe she shows more positive leadership qualities! As usual, some (Twitter) people are blowing it out of proportion to stir the pot. However, I also do recognise that Frye hate was kinda crazy. I get preferring a character design to another, but straight up saying she’s ugly??? And saying it’s cause of the ‘non-Eurocentric’ features?! Nah mate, Frye cute as hell, stfu! 💛🦑 [Edit: my point gets kinda muddy near the end, so TLDR: Frye deserves better! 🌻]
I was on team shiver during last weeks splatfest only but that doesn't mean I liked frye any less. I genuinely love frye just as much as shiver and big man. This drama really needs to stop.
Thank you for reviewing this topic, I feel like for many people who don’t see issues regarding race in the gaming industry, are the same people preventing change in this world. I really appreciate your video and hope others realize how important representation matters even in video games, Marina and Frye are both representations of characters of color who have darker complexions and I think it’s a wonderful thing that some people at Nintendo would include characters like them in Splatoon. They are much needed representations for POC and myself to be able to understand and appreciate the diversity of the series.
I do think that some people just don't see race. Weather that is a problem or not I can't say. So those people get really confused about issues revolving around race and racial tensions because to them it just doesn't make sense since in their minds, it's not any kind of pervasive thought, race just is.
Thanks dude, feels like you’re one of the few ppl I’m seeing not downplaying or trying to explain away the issue. Racism and colorism are still very much a prominent problem in all parts of the world, and ignoring it is gonna make it worse.
I was honestly rooting for Frye even tho I was team big man but after seeing the way people were reacting i just cant I honestly feel I don’t want to associate with the community anymore I saw a minor being g*respammed for being team shiver and it’s actually insane
I'm honesty done with splatfest all together . I find the modes boring and I'm only there to get sea snails. but with the community acting like this, I honestly couldn't be bothered.
@@afroling2096x2, i only play splatfest now for the sea snails, the people now is more agressive and woke with this topics like the colour of people... is so sad...
To be frank, it’s just disappointing that this particular Splatfest brought out the absolute worst in a lot of players. While I could digress that this game has brought out the toxicity in the fandom more than the previous two, it has gotten way out of hand. Between people taking what is essentially an opinion poll with extra steps out of context, taking the competitiveness to extremes for what is supposed to be a fun event to bring the community together, and the fact that the themes have been very… uneven and basic. But the racism just pushes it way over the top. In the end, we need to do better as a community and learn to be more open minded and lighthearted.
Wait, when did eveone stop unanimously love Marina and stop making fun of Pearl for her forehead? You know, that thing that was referenced in the game. I thought it was the exact opposite of what you said. Did I miss Splatoon 5 or something?
I don't think this has to turn into a race war. There's lots of factors why the results are the way they are. It can't simply just be because Frye is black (imo she's middle eastern), although there is a smaller minority of people that do think this way and this is what we're pushing to the forefront.
@NapaCat it could be a factor of other regional players knowing Shiver's popularity in JP (for obvious reasons) and choosing her to win, there's just so much to it
As a student who’s currently writing a paper on representation in media (specifically video games) and also a Team Frye member I found this discussion very worthwhile. A lot of these types of discussions on your channel have been part of my inspiration. Great work as always!
ehh don’t listen to the other guy i’d read that paper. representation in media is an interesting topic imo, considering media itself is like a mirror of our cultural values. i wrote a paper once about the representation of mental illness in movies and it’s by far my fav thing i’ve written and has been used by other professors as an example for their students. there’s definitely room for this kind of discussion in academic spaces 👍
@@fruitjuiicerepresentation in modern media usally leads to Tokenism and bad writing. Back in the 80s and/or 90s, minority characters actually had good writing when it came to scripts and characteristics that made them interested and/or relatable. Not to mention decent plots that made you feel either emotional or greatly entertained. Nowadays, films that are about "representation" do not care about any of that. Edit: And this is coming from the mouth of a minority.
@@FireGlitch representation does not have to equal tokenism. tokenism is just poor representation, and in itself is harmful for the group being portrayed because it usually leads to one-dimensional writing, which then leads to bad tropes and stereotypes. good, earnest attempts at diversity won’t even stand out as ‘representation’ if done right, because the writing will come from a well informed source who is invested in making dynamic characters and stories that just -happen- to also include minority groups not often shown positively in media. it should come from a desire to share unique stories, or stories close to one’s own background- not to fill a quota from the sound of it i don’t think you’re actually against representation, i think you’re just against bad writing
@@fruitjuiiceYes I am against bad writing. And guess what most of the films made for "representation" is usually just a crutch for bad writing whereas films in the 90s that had gay or black characters actually had a decent plot, script, etc. Because back then no one used "representation" and "diversity" as a blatant crutch.
On the Kyo situation, from what you described, I disagree with your position. Even if you aren't trying to be mean to others saying mean things can be harmful. You can say "just don't do it to people who don't like it", but should our standard really be that we can trash talk anyone except people who have the courage to admit they don't like it? I hear your point that it's just a given in competitive scenes, but does it have to be? It seems to me that Splatoon fans are generally against trash talk (which could be totally wrong), and I am not against having a community with a higher standard of sportsmanship. Like Gem said, is there a benefit to trash talk? Do we need it to keep Splatoon events interesting? I don't think so. Now I'll admit that I don't have a lot of experience with competitive events and I may be reading some stuff wrong, but I just wanted to share my opinion. This was at most a minor example of trash talk, but that doesn't make it right.
This I think trash talk can be fine between friends but I see no point in doing to people you don't know. And if trash talk is one of the ways to make the game more interesting than the games just boring
Exactly this. My friend told me about the situation with Basil and Kyo and I just assumed this was on Twitter but the fact that Kyo had a fit, on stage, at a major, just because he wanted Basil to switch to liter (which isn’t that good in higher level because of how slow it is) is honestly crazy to me
I agree- and if it were for the sake of entertainment, the appropriate thing to do would be asking/planning a skit beforehand so nobody is hurt. It's true that Kyo's trash talk was pretty mild, but it's not a good look for the community- especially at big events like Riptide. They are role models, and should strive to have good sportsmanship. I fear that the next event I go to will some other people thinking this is acceptable.
I want to see which team would win in each region if they weren’t combined. It would be interesting to see how different they are from each other in all categories
My god people, Frye wasnt dragged through the mud because of the color of her skin. It’s because of her FOREHEAD. That’s IT. This literally fucking happened with Pearl, who is whiter than the fucking snow. MARINA was more popular because they thought she was more attractive. She is ALSO POC. It isn’t that fucking deep, and it never has been with these two characters.
I can see why people get upset over artists using a more pastel colour pallette when it comes to black people thanks to "not so nice people" using said colour pallette as an excuse to be a pos. I can also see artists just using that colour pallette because they like it or that was the style they went for and nothing more. Racism ain't cool full stop. When I saw Frye my first thoughts was "oh cool! A vampyre squid!". Not "ha ha large forehead" or anything that's nasty. I just saw a cool character based off a rather cute squid in my opinion. I should add that I have since heard that players are being doxxed over this splatfest but I have no proof, just hearsay. Racism isn't cool, racist actions being disguised as art or "just your style" isn't cool and neither is doxxing. Now I'm probably missing things due to being wonderful awful at picking up social ques and what have you. But this is why we cannot have nice things.
Sorry this is long, I just wanted to get all my thoughts on the situation out there. So, I was on Team Shiver myself. But that was only because the Splatfest wasn't "Who's your favourite Deep Cut Member" It was asking who'd be the best leader. And I've always seen it as "Shiver would plan the fire" "Frye would cause the fire" "Big Man would be IN the fire" And seeing as I thought Shiver has a lot of cunning traits I chose her. But Frye and Big Man aren't bad picks either, they all have great leadership traits. I like ALL the Deep Cut members! They all have some form of representation and their music style blends them all perfectly. A blend of Eastern Asian style brought on by Shiver, South Asian style brought on by Frye, and what surprised me, Brazilian theming regarding Big Man! A part of me feels as if the Splatfests aren't only influenced by racial bias (don't get me wrong, it does definitely play a factor) but I feel as if they give Shiver most of the "sensible" options. (Like the Gear vs Grub vs Fun Splatfest. The logic was that *with Gear* you could *have Fun* and also *obtain Grub.* So I picked Gear because that meant access to the other two to me.) Frye generally gets the bad end of the three sided cake, and to me... THAT'S A SHAME. That is beyond a shame, because I LIKE FRYE. And then Big Man gets the silly option on occasion. Frye and Big Man getting sillier options than Shiver is a definite problem, because I don't pick Splatfest Teams based on what Idol I like, I pick them based on what I agree with and what option I like most. To me I feel as if Splatfest talk is becoming more hostile. There's been a noticeable amount of discourse to me since Money vs Fame vs Love. I chalk it up to Splatoon reaching a much wider audience than it used to, but still, way too much toxicity. At first it was all just jokes, but then Money won and people went bonkers stating the game was homophobic. The game which not only now allows crossdressing (in the form of the School Uniform gear) but also femme hair on masc characters and vice versa. I picked love, and am currently in a gay relationship. Yeah it's disheartening that money won but I remember that "love" is a very strong word in other places. People don't say "I love you man" to a friend in a lot of other cultures because the word "love" is seen as strictly romantic. It didn't bother me as much since it's not *regional.* What bothered me was everyone calling people who picked money homophobic. Homie, "love" ain't just a homosexual term. I digress. I wish people would look past "hee-hee funny forehead" to see how great Frye is as a character. From what I know, the forehead is somewhat based around what is considered beautiful in South Asian cultures. While I don't hate people for forehead jokes, I still refrain from it because I feel mean laughing at it. Life's too short to hate characters in a bright, beautiful, and fun videogame about Squids, Kids, and Colours. Endless colours. Above the darkness of the lore there are endless colours. I'm more Filipino and Puerto Rican than I am German and British, but feel as if I don't deserve a say on a lot of racially charged situations since I haven't had to deal with most of the problems people with darker skin-tones or non-European facial features unfortunately have to. As a writer I strive to make as many diverse characters as I can because the world would be beyond boring if we were all the same; I love writing stories where everyone, no matter who they are, come together to march through the storm, to rebuild, to fight together. All I can say is, I think most people picked Shiver because she has had the most "sensible" options and they truly thought she was a great leader. Or they just thought "he-he cute octopus me like," to which, hey, who am I to judge. Those who do pick Shiver and evade Frye because of racial biases, those who make Frye and Marina lighter skintones, those who say "fairer skin is better" are the ones who should sit down and really think about things. Really educate themselves. I believe Shiver and the majority of her fans did nothing wrong, but I definitely believe Big Man and especially Frye deserve better. It makes me glad to see posts in the plaza of Shiver, Frye, and Big Man hugging it out
Btw, the homophobia thing was a joke. Nobody genuinely believed Splatoon was homophobic. It probably comes from the joke "love wins" in response to gay media but in this splatfest love lost. So homophobia. Its as shrimple as that
@@strawberryshortpup3655 Yeah, I get that, I knew most people were saying it as a joke, it's just that I saw a vocal few people treat it as if it wasn't. But you've got a fair point.
@@cornlobby8404 Still feels kind of weird hearing that some people did take it seriously. Maybe they were just really intense in their humor? That can happen sometimes. Of course, you know what you saw and I didn't see it myself. Just putting in my two cents.
@@strawberryshortpup3655 What I saw could very well have been really intense humor, or not. I'll never know, so I won't think much of it, it's in the past after all. Your two cent take is much appreciated
For me, every splatfest I participated in I voted based on the choices given not the idol who had them. Its sad that Shiver always ends up with the choices I prefer except for like 2 times when I went with Frye and Big Man, I love all 3 idols equally but it cant be helped that I prefer the choices Shiver gets. Every event I ask my bf to tell me which team he thinks will win, he doesn't know the idols/what they look like only the choices and he has guessed the winning team correctly like 9 times out of 10 and almost every time he said Shivers choices would win cause that option is what majority of the ppl would vote for because its the option that would clearly be picked.. So.. really I think part of the issue is def the choices that they have.
It does suck shiver has all the good ones like Nessie, vanilla, grass and dark chocolate for the ones I remember picking. Obviously gear power and money were the better option statistically but I like the other options more.
@@BigPro1123nah money was just misphraisesd If you have all of your needs met, what would you pursue? If you’re starving obviously you’ll choose money but once your needs are met love is what you want to go for.
It sometimes feels like it’s two idols as big man doesn’t talk as much and don’t always notice him behind the tv making him feel invisible to me at times.
I walked away from this splatfest massively disappointed in the results. The win ratio for each idol is (in the first year of splatfest 70% shiver, 10% Frye, and 20% big man) It's not really as fun when it feels like the results are nearly predetermined. I've reached my own solution though, having entirely lost faith in 3's fests I'm just going to go on and continue to vote for the option I most believe. The results will be boring but at the end of the day I'm just here to collect my snails and go home. Splatoon 3 Splatfest is a sham and I'm ready to accept that. I also really kinda hate the way people have been treating Frye since the outset.
Its kinda weird how my preferences changed since debut to now for deep cut. I loved big man to pieces at first but i didnt rly vibe much wit shiver and frye. For frye, i didnt rly care abt her forehead, but i didnt think the neon purple looked too good with dark brown. At some point i warmed up to frye, though, but i dont like shivers smug personality, no matter how much the other members try to say she has a heart of gold. She should show that heart more if its there.. but onto the meat and potatoes of this comment Its kind of awkward being half SE Asian (cambodian specifically) with this whole debacle over shiver and frye. That, and the fact I'm light skinned cuz im half white lol. Despite Cambodia basically being a mix of indian and chinese cultures, frye just resonates more with me outside of personality (im more like big man in that sense). Even though I'm not one to dawdle too much about representation, it did feel like sh-- to see people telling me im just coping when explaining that there is a bias towards shiver from japan. However, I do think both sides should be listened to regardless of affiliation. Theres no learning and understanding unless both parties communicate, or at least thats how I see it. Shiver fans need to stop saying to cope and to actually give feedback if we want this gunk to stop. On a side note, some shiver fans were telling people to attack players and not the idol, despite the idol being fictional and players being actual people... I'd rather have anger go to something that cant actually feel than to real people.
I don’t get why switch to e-liter is trash talk to begin with? And I feel the boos were just because chargers are not likable to fight against Am I missing something?
Thank you for this video This stuff is wild and terrible I was on shiver's team too but i love all these characters They are all dope but to throw crap on Frye is freaking trash
I gave up on picking the team I agree with because no matter what shiver always seems to win and at this point there’s no point in having themes people are picking their favorite idol 😭
I don't think it's a race issue, but rather Nintendo assigning idol teams unfairly. Shiver will usually get the first option, which people are much more likely to choose. Another factor is just because shiver has a more cold-bloded theme, which people find far cooler then Frye's theme (i guess)
I really don’t think the majority of Frye hate has to do with her race tbh. If anything, people don’t like Fryes design because of her forehead which is undeniably large. I am not denying the fact that people are racially motivated to not pick Frye, but it’s clearly not the main motivator.
they cant live without politics for 5 minutes, one of many side effects of twitter been the only social media people use. i remember just a few months back when some dude was almost cancelled just because his inkling skin didnt match his real life one.
I did lost as Big Man, and also social media is up in flames because Shiver won, and I am not mad about it, until Daybreaker Anthem song kicks in, it was very good. Yeah, Splatfests post to be fun, not take it seriously. Also, trash talking is horrible in the Splatoon Community.
You wanna know what's really interesting? There was this person that uploaded a short little video of them playing tricolor, and that video it was both team frye and big man jumping team shiver because they pretty much were locked in their base getting spawn camped over and over. I left a comment of how I found it pretty funny under the tweet, and not even 5 seconds later somebody starts harassing me and when I blocked them that same person that was harassing me precedes to go into their second account and continues harassing me from there. 😭 Like why is that person acting brand new when people in tricolor have probably done this type of thing multiple times? 😀
Ngl the trash talk incident was tame for me now that I think abt it cuz it's just telling someone to switch back to another weapon, but I always strive to not trash talk other people lol! Ngl I had a lot of fun in the splatfest due to the randomized tri-color stages! (I was on Team Frye) I saw a comment saying that all of Deep Cut specialize/lead in their own stuff, like Shiver for news, Frye for robbery, Big Man for music! I have seen some people say that we need to have splatfests be region locked again because most ppl in Japan voted Shiver I think, but I still want to be able to play with friends on the other side of the globe (I'm in Asia lol) I think a better solution might be to tweak the splatfest themes a bit to be a bit more fair. I think banter for splatfests is great, but it shouldn't get out of hand sooo I think Nintendo should put a PSA in game to help people be better people
Gotta realize, the one who wins the most usually loses the finals. edit 2: As a POC, not gonna say anything controversial, but if you’re gonna make wars and whatever about a game, just stop playing Splatoon, please.
I have officially given up on trying to win splatfests whatever we do shiver will win so all I do is play for super sea snails like at this point it forwent even feel that worth it anymore
I mean splatoon has racism in the case of squid vs octopus. And in the Marina English quote, I think that’s a relatable comment to poc, and I think it is unfortunate, but still relatable.
I do think people dislike frye because they dont see her as a typically pretty quiet femme idol. I love her for her upbeat happy personality and usually like her reasonings for her splatfest team. When i first saw the new idol designs she stuck out to me the most. I love that people have her as representation for themselves. I hate seeing this happen to her, i dont have dark skin but my mom and brother are brown, and we grew up/ live in a predominantly white rural area in wisco and i know what its like to be discriminated against for my race. Pearl has a big ass forehead and wasnt as femme as marina, she was super upbeat and had some crazy ideas (i actually usually didnt pick her teams) but i dont remember seeing her getting treated like frye does. The only difference i can see is that frye has dark skin and pearl doesnt.
As someone on team shiver, I gotta say some stuff: First of all, people are actually wrecking their switches over this? It’s a 5 win streak, I know it’s frustrating and it’s okay to be angry but Jesus destroying a perfectly good Nintendo console? Second off, literally everyone on every team spawn camps. Does it suck? Yes. Is it unfair? Yes. Is is limited to only one team? No, everyone does it because everyone wants to win. Third off, CALM DOWN. Nobody on team shiver has said a single insult or word to the other teams that is offensive, rude, mean, etc. so why is everyone targeting us, reporting us, berating us, calling us toxic for PLAYING THE GAME AND WINNING, and blaming us for their broken switches that we had literally nothing to do with? It’s not our fault if you can’t handle a loss, pick yourself up and don’t throw a little tantrum And the fourth thing I wanna say is none of you would survive the win streaks of Splatoon 1 and 2. I know I would like the stereotypical “haha nerd emoji angry shiver fan” but I seriously think we’re getting too much hate as a whole for having a small amount of toxic players in the past (I do admit some of us suck though) and I’m tired of getting screamed at or called a simp and having to be scared of getting reported or banned just for playing a game and having fun on a team I like Sorry for the rant I just don’t see people pointing any of this out
I am so happy you've made this video, ive never had twitter and majority of those sorts of platforms so i never actually felt until now my feelings on frye and marina were shared. To have a game company like nintendo give characters like marina and frye who represent both parts of the culture ive grown up with as a mixed raced person? Brought so much joy to me and my sisters. Seeing frye bashed for her appearance being geared towards things like this? Made me want to cry. I hope people understand her worth to people like me and my sisters eventually! Great video!
If you feel represented by fictional squids, I'm sorry but you and your sisters got issues of your own. Aint even represented/inspired by a real person 💀
@@FireGlitch frye is literally based off south Asian culture, something I dont see often in media I like. And I didnt say I felt like she herself, a squid, represented me, I said the fact she represented the CULTURE I've grown up with is important to me, how long you been scrolling just to see this comment too lol? This isn't liked or recent enough to show up on the first couple of scrolls
@@promiseofreunion5760A video game is important to you? I mean, if your culture is important to you, I wouldn't have anything bad to say about it. But unless you are playing the story mode, most of that "representation" isn't going to mean much if you are just splatting people in Turf War. This is a 3rd person shooter multiplayer game, you know.
@@FireGlitch I have fully completed story mode but still go back to play it occasionally, I only play turf wars occasionally, so dunno what to tell you other than okay yeah it's a game? I'm aware it's just a game but that doesn't change how I feel?? Lol dunno what you're trying to achieve here
@@promiseofreunion5760 I honestly think it is ridiculous to treat a game like Splatoon 3 extremely serious for "representation" Also, If you want your culture to be represented, why not do your own part instead relying on media companies? Seems like you aren't even taking your own culture as seriously via helping other people from within your own community. Also, the fact you claimed to have cried over a fictional character being mocked is so ridiculously goofy that I hope that you're joking. Though, I'll admit, I may need to stop scrolling through comment sections or something.
Shiver is themed around Japanese culture... y'know, where majority of the playerbase is? Shiver's mega-popular there, of course the results are going to be skewed to NA players. This is why I thought regionlocks existed, to prevent this.
I come for the sea shells and the sea shells only. People were saying this was the last Splatfest? Is it? This is really the first time I actually decided to participate in one.
Coming from someone who enjoys not being on Twitter... I had no idea about any of this. I'm quite shocked. I absolutely LOVE Frye's character design and she's been my fav from the start. I also thought she had the cutest Splatfest shirt. And for some reason I was under the belief that Big Man was gonna be voted most popular. Geez, I was wrong.
I don't think racism is that big of a factor there. It's most likely just JP players choosing Shiver, because she's very japanese inspired. I also read that JP players sometimes like picking teams just based on Ink color, and last i time i've checked, blue is a waaaay more popular color than red and especially yellow. So if that's true, it could also explain Shiver's popularity in this Fest. Either way, i think Splatfest results should be region locked again. The JP playerbase is just too big and it can cause problems if their culture heavily favors one option.
I was on team shiver and I got a few death threats on Twitter. I found out there was a way to prevent randoms from messaging you so I haven’t had any issues since
I feel like nintendo needs to disconnect the idols from the answers on the question because i think it just makes the question about the idol and not de questions them self also i personally would say this is the first time shiver won because it was actually about deep cut and people who chose options on the base of the idol are the reason i would like to see a splatfest question without the idols influence
I would just like to point out that dispite having the popularity, shiver's teams biggest win was only by a 0.60% for tri color. The other was a less then 0.20% difference, this could have been anyones game, in fact big man is closer to shivers score then fryes except in tri-color, which i can only assume happened because of throwers. So in conclusion this was a super close match and with the popular team getting the most mirror matches thst means they worked even harder then the others for clout. Race doesn't have a factor in this and Japan isn't to blame for her winning and global splatfests are working as intended, there are safe guards to prevent steamrolling.
how is Kyo saying "hop the fuck off" and "drop it" not thin-skinned behaviour? The comparison to worse behaviour like racism in football is incinsere, especially because the response to racist behaviour does not end at "grow thicker skin". If ALL competitors need to "shrug it off" when getting bm'd, then ALL competitors should handle being getting called out on direspectful behaviour gracefully
POC here. My two cents on the matter, if you're disappointed about Frye losing, by all means go ahead. But blaming it on racism is rather disingenuous. Let me get this out by saying that I don't have a problem with representation in media. I'm also not denying that there are a few players that are racist towards Frye. But, saying that Frye lost *solely* because of racism just feels like a scapegoat to blame Shiver players. To me, it feels like people are looking far too deep into things and taking it far too seriously just because they lost an event in funny squid game.
8:33 let's not act dumb, it's the artstyle, pearl and shiver being completely WHITE means Frye and Marina will also have a lighter skin tone, or else it just wouldn't match and look weird in the image. They're still clearly black
What's funny about regional splatfest is that we do have a machine that sets our region for region exclusive. Nintendo hasn't done anything with it at all
They need to do regional splatfests again but keep the same theme for everyone. I was on shiver but I didn’t think the popularity was this bad. Japan has a massive influence over the popularity vote. Either way people have acted abysmal on social media for this splatfest and some shit was inexcusable. Clam down dudes, everyone gets snails either way.
Fr now they talking abt race but... WHO CARES IF FRYE IS BLACK THE THEMES ARE THE IMPORTANT THING, Even in Splatoon 2 there was a Winning streak (i forgot if It was Pearl or Marina). And people wonder why there arent many poc characters in videogames- People Just use them as an excuse to be salty
I really don't think that it needs to go back to a duo. Big Man is the first male idol, and the first non Inkling/Octoling. I love Big Man cuz of his characteristics, and identity with him. So people saying that it should go back to a duo kinda breaks my heart. While Nintendo does need to do something with the themes and with Splatfests as a whole (like adding Ranked for people who don’t like turf war, maybe also Tableturf as well), going back to 2 idols isn't the way to fix Splatfests.
The thing about the trash talk that is different in Splatoon is this... Regardless how tame it was, regardless how common it is in e-sports... A CROWD FULL OF COMPETITIVE SPLATOON PLAYERS collectively booed Kyo for the trash talk. IMHO that tells me that as a community, we DON'T WANT Splatoon to be like other e-sports in that way. We want it to be FREE of that aspect. We don't want to see those in our community reduce ourselves to that sort of behavior. And I think that's why people are dragging Kyo for it.
I understand where people are coming from when it comes to representation. me personally as a black woman, I don't care. if the character is appealing i couldn't care less what their skin colour is. representation isnt a necessity for me. As long as they aren't hand-me-downs (races swaps and such) I'm fine with it. When it comes to Frye, i like her and think shes a cool character. we didnt win the splatfest and thats okay. its just a game. those people going to the extreme about Shiver winning seriously need more than therapy. as for all the info about people not liking frye for her race (i honestly haven't seen it myself) its strange to me. Anyway, i don't really care that much about race and find it weird that people are so hyper focused on it
I had no idea how severe the splatoon community gets. I picked shiver because i thought that was the answer and honestly I liked the purple ink. I think all the idols are great! the representative is an amazing thing too.
Thank you for this video. I had not thought that this splatfest might also do something with the race bias- now that I'm aware, I will be voting for Frye more often now. I like Frye, she's cool and badass when she wants to. She controls multiple eels and has great dance moves! I don't understand why big forehead is a big deal though. Idols aren't always going to be conventionally attractive, not saying that Frye isn't pretty because she is, so making fun of her appearance can really hurt those who also have a large forehead.
Oh my goodness you all need to chill out with this 'ethnic representation' nonsense. Frye is not losing because she's dark skinned and she's not being hated on for that. I'm all for diversity too, but I think that some of you are really overthinking all of this. Pearl got made fun for having a large forehard too. That wasn't fans being racist towards her, they were just poking fun at her. People still love her, same goes for Frye. It's not that serious. I know it's kind of annoying that Shiver keeps winning and I'm a Frye fan myself, but it's just a game. It's not worth losing sleep over or comparing a fictional character to a horrible dictator. How do you even come up with saying something like that? Some of you really need to shut off the device and go outside for once...
I think your comments on trash talk are completely wrong. I believe that, as someone who trash talks a lot, trash talk has no place on a professional/competitive stage. You wanna talk like that in scrims or practice with friends go for it. You wanna do it in solo queue in a game like Valorant or League, be my guest. But when you hit a stage and are playing in front of an audience, against other well respected people in the scene, you keep it to yourself. That's what casters are there for. THEY make fun of the players for little mistakes IF they feel comfortable with it. Especially as a competitor if you're invited out, you act as a guest in that house and treat the others with respect. No player went there with the intention of getting smack talked to and embarrassed in front of that crowd, they came to play. "it is to be expected" is a weak defense since if it's not expected everywhere (this would not fly at Nintendo world tournament) then it shouldn't be expected anywhere
As someone who was on Frye’s team. I can agree this winning situation has drove the splatoon community into a mess. Like during the splatfest I noticed a lot of players were very intense than normal.
once race is brought into it, it's gone too far imo. it's a video game about funky squids and octopi shooting ink at eachother, lore or not, that's what it is. splatfests are supposed to be fun, and when people start doing this, it takes all the fun out of it.
I think they stopped with region locked fests because people complained that JP was getting all the good splatfests. If anything, losing the popularity vote could be an advantage, because of how the clout system works. Your contribution is more significant if you have fewer players, where as with the team winning the popular vote you have to work that much harder to have the same impact because some people will vote but not play, contribute less than 100000 clout and bring the average down. I do note that of all the splatfests I've only not voted for Shiver once, and that was the pokemon splatfest due to my preference for water. With that in mind, I do think that they need to start looking at better themes and giving Frye better choices. Kyo has reached that point where he's so good and consistently a top performer thats its becoming popular in the West to hate on everything he does. Having said that, trash talk is natural in the course of competition. As long as dudes not talking about your mom for example its pretty chill, no need to deep it.
Not sure about the other points but in regards to Region Locking, splatfests in 1 and 2 were lag fests for some regions (Mainly Europe as in 1 and 2 I think Australia shared splatfests with EU whilst NA and JP got their own), removing Region lock made splatfests for EU players more manageable and less miserable
Not just looks, but I feel like Japan doesn't like the crass idols. Even pearl was unpopular when the second game came out because she was bratty just like frye. Shiver has an elegant vibe and Big Man is passive and not as outspoken. You see this with Squid Sisters too. Marie, was the more popular one for personality ressons. I have to admit, even as a black person, I tend to gravitate to demure idols rather than the bubbly and crass.
Idk I kinda liked being less popular by a long shot. Less popular = less mirror matches. That alone made this way more fun than any splatfest since the pokemon splatfest. (Unpopular opinion but I kinda prefer how tricolor was done before spicy vs sweet vs sour)
I think I know now why I had a guy with a pain brush on my team get 180p total during a 100x game now. It's hilarious how mad people get over a character in a game lmao like Im not even a big shiver fan I just think shes a cool game character and it was obvious she was going to win from the beginning
@@Anonymous-bi5pv here is a list of my Splatfest themed ideas: The Tokusaksu Splatfest: Kamen Rider vs Super Sentai vs Godzilla The Yugioh Duel Monsters Splatfest: Yugi/Atem and Dark Magician vs Seto Kaiba and Blue Eyes White Dragon vs Joey and Red Eyes Black Dragon The Yugioh GX Splatfest: Jaden and Elemental HERO Neos vs Chazz and Armed Dragon LV 10 vs Jesse and Rainbow Dragon The Yugioh 5Ds Splatfest: Yusei and Stardust Dragon vs Jack and Red Dragon Archfiend vs Crow and Black-Winged Dragon The Yugioh Zexal Splatfest: Yuma and Utopia vs Shark and Shark Drake vs Kite and Galaxy Eyes Photon Dragon The Yugioh Arc-V Splatfest: Yuya and Odd Eyes Pendulum Dragon vs Declan and D/D/D Doom King Armageddon vs Gong and Superheavy Samurai Big Benkai The Yugioh Vrains Splatfest: Playmaker and Decode Talker vs Soulburner and Salamangreat Heatleo vs Varis and Borreload Dragon The Sonic Splatfest: Sonic vs Tails vs Knuckles The other Sonic Splatfest: Sonic vs Shadow vs Silver The Bakugan Generation Splatfest: Bakugan Battle Brawlers vs Bakugan Battle Planet vs Bakugan Gen 3 The Skylanders Splatfest: Spyro‘s Adventure vs Giants vs Swap Force The other Skylanders Splatfest: Trap Team vs Superchargers vs Imaginators The Transformers Splatfest: Optimus prime vs Bumblebee vs Grimlock The other Transformers Splatfest: Megatron vs Starscream vs Soundwave The TMNT Generation Splatfest: TMNT 1987 vs TMNT 2012 vs ROTTMNT The Beyblade Generation Splatfest: Beyblade vs Beyblade Metal Fusion vs Beyblade Burst The Ben 10 Generation Splatfest: Ben 10 Classic vs Ben 10 Alien Force/Ultimate Alien vs Ben 10 Omniverse The Lego original themes Splatfest: Ninjago vs Chima vs Nexo Knights The Hot Wheels Splatfest: Hot Wheels Acceleracers vs Hot Wheels Battle Force 5 vs Team Hot Wheels and many more including special themed weapons gears music gamemodes and many more
People joining Shiver’s team just to throw was a real thing. I had so many matches where players wouldn’t leave spawn or would quit playing the last 30 seconds of a game.
I know that I don't know all of the lore and dialogue, and that I'm not from Japan and as such don't know the culture, but the popularity of Shiver over Frye in the last splatfest might be partially explained by a previous Japanese splatfest; Boke vs Tsukkomi. This pitted, according to the translation by inkepedia, the funny person archetype against the deadpan archetype in a style of Japanese comedy apparently called Manzai... Given the traditional Japanese theming of Deep Cut and Splatsville, and what might be a similar dynamic between the characters in the English localization, it might be that there is an aspect of the characters that is lost in translation, and that is what gets Shiver some of her supposed large popularity in Japan...
I have no real issue with Frye's design apart from personally feeling her forehead is a little big (just my personal feeling, not a bad design though, especially given her design inspirations), I just don't think she's as interesting to me as Big Man or Shiver. I don't hate her. She's fun. She is nice. Just not my favorite idol out of the 3. And I liked Marina, she was smart, clever, nicer than Pearl. I always though she was more popular honestly.
@@agarcia6770I mean she has a south Asian appeal where big foreheads are seen as beautiful. So I wouldnt add bangs personally, rather a cultural headpiece
Hmm. I really liked Marina as a character in Splatoon 2, but I know people who trash talk Pearl fans for being racist and not like Marina, AND some Pearl fans who only like pearl bc they don't like Marina (could have racist intent or could just be that she was too popular and the fans preferred the underdog)
I really hate to say thing but, this was going to happen regardless. Shiver can be seen as the model minority myth. Frye went more cultural in appearance and to most people that isn’t palatable- big forehead, colorism, and certain ‘foreign’ characteristics that are not easily commodified, generic down, and are niched can be seen as off putting. Shiver has the more commodified features- her face is more of that of kpop, she has that hit of Japanese that is well love for its fans, chest bandages that slap with the those gen Z folks, and has that red eye shadow that is seen everywhere from Manwha to Genshin. These are digestible traits that people don’t have to put effort in putting together because it is palatable. That is just how it is.
Hard disagree with making splatfests region locked again that will 100% not deal with the issue with frye being less popular cause in the clout era of splatoon 2, the most popular team would almost always win every category in regional splatfests. They just need to make better three teamed splatfests lol
I have never participated in a splatfest ( just got the game like 2 weeks ago) (its alot of fun :)), but I don't understand why people are surprised that the Japanese prefer the idol based on Japanese culture? Like for me I am an Italian-American, I'd love to play an Italian in Overwatch, or Valorant, or whatever. But they never have them and the one time they did (Rainbow 6 Siege) I loved playing her. So when faced with the option for the Japanese to pick between a Japanese idol and a non-Japanese idol. I think the answer would be obvious. Personally, I like big man, hes chill~
That's not how that works. People found her attractive and people think frye is ugly for her cultural features. I understand not seeing the difference but there is something there sadly.
Yes I know I said discomforable lmao. I was too far along to make that change.
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When something is rigged then by nature it is divisive.
Not gonna lie representation part sounds like some extreme feminist talk
It's the internet your always gonna have toxic trolls it would be best to avoid them
I'm only upset because the prompt was best leader. Shiver would probably fire people for criticizing her. If it was favorite idol, I would be "alright, anyways"
"Disappointed " who is Disappointed? Not me I chose the blue one hubby he chose the stingray.
I don't like the middle I'm sorry she looks like a r#!=rded elf
It wasn't "rigged " it is based off of wins.
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"Racism" are you serious bro???
Go outside and touch some grass it just a game. And dont chose a host chose the theme you want
Also
Shiver is a great white I love sharks
Frye is I think an eel but she is scary looking to me ( has nothing to do with race)
And big man is a manta ray ( sting ray)
Just saying.
I think what attributes to the Shiver bias/Frye disfavour isn't colorism or racism necessarily, but pretty privilege. And yes I know race & color have a lot of impact on what is considered beautiful, but I'm making the distinction.
Remember when Marina and Pearl were first revealed, everyone was already roasting Pearl and thirsting over Marina? I remember Marina having a lot of bias in Splatfests too, because she was the hot one, everyone wanted to be on her team. Pearl was disfavored because the fans considered her "ugly".
I think that's a repeat of what's happening with Shiver vs Frye. Most people find Shiver more attractive, and so the Splatfests are biased to her.
Shiver and Frye do have very similar outfits as pointed out in the video, so the difference probably lies in the personalities, where shiver is often more composed and traditionally ladylike while Frye more often than not feels more energetic and childlike (although real ones know they're both the same on the inside). Not at all to say that skin color and what society teaches people to seek after as the ideal isn't also a potential factor.
It was definitely after octo expansion that people liked Pearl a little more. I think they should've built more lore before doing this splatfest.
Funny enough I agree with you also. I don't think Frye is ugly by any means but I could definitely see little boys finding Shiver attractive especially in Japan.
@@adrianoctavioKeep in mind that Shiver being more composesd and traditionally ladylike is just her day persona. She's hella goofy. Frye, however, is the one who will legiterally beat ass
@@adrianoctavio To me, I find Frye's personality to be a little basic. She's just that bubbly lovable airhead that you find very often. Shiver on the other side, while cold and cool, still is super elegant and feminine. The combination of that is awesome to me.
@@LittleSparklingStarsyou can find that same personality in almost any anime...none of the characters personality archetypes are necessarily unique
I was on Team Frye cause I liked Frye. Mf's really send death threats and compare people to history's worst people over a PREFERENCE!? Get a friggin' grip. You see, this is why I can't associate with y'all.
apparently people are starting to DDOS team shiver members too or smthn
I'll just say same. I like Frye, I'm not upset that she lost or that she's the least popular. At the end of the day, pixels on a screen are never going to oppress you.
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Frl "fighting to represent ethnic representation" like shut up bruh its a splatfest
@@ハーパーサムlol u clearly didn’t even listen to the video but go off.
Honestly all this is part of why it makes me kinda sad that more and more people just choose the idol they like's team, instead of just picking the team they genuinely agree with for the option. If you pick based on bias for the idol, that's when feelings really do start to get hurt.
Yeah I agree, I only go for ones more base on the theme instead of just idols alone. Cause it just makes problems for some.
i picked shiver just cuz i wanted blue ink
It can also be a double edged sword, considering some splatfests can be pretty “biased”, such as the gear grub fun splatfest, they need to improve in splatfests themes
Only issue with that is that a lot of the splatfest questions are just not good and are already biased in favor of one team
Some people don't even choose that, they choose the same team based on what their friends chose.
If you look into the story mode Frye has more leader qualities she’s always closest to the camera she is the only one to do the smoke bomb launch exit correctly and has the hardest boss. She can control a giant spinning cube and command eels to do a coordinated attack. Shiver always gets mad at the shark when you attack her as if she can’t control it too well, and has the easiest fight and can’t smoke bomb out correctly. People clearly didn’t care about the question and just chose favorite character. Since shiver is Japanese and the majority of players live in Japan it’s obvious why she absolutely dominated popularity as they love seeing their culture in the game.
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Fr tho. That info about frye is why i picked her.
@@weird0._.Same here I picked her too because of that
I also picked frye because I think she would be a better leader, tho to shivers credit she is more mature that the others and even in the wiki it states she's all ready kind of leader. tho I would still say shiver.
Completely fair. I had finished the story mode on the first three days the game released so I didn't remember that and by the time people pointed it out I already had chose Shiver based on my thoughts. I wouldn't have had any hard feelings either way tho. Like I don't care who wins I just wanna have some fun on Splatfest. The results are just a fun addon to me that I don't even need
Brown southeast asian here, Frye has always been that cool representation we got in a Nintendo game, and yes everyone trashed on her. But honestly, none of them were flaming her for being dark or based on South Asia, they commented more on her forehead. To say that she is “more than a fictional idol,” respectfully, is giving chronically online I need to touch grass. She is a fictional idol. If you are seeking representation, help those in your community, support real life south asian creators… Frye made me so happy to finally get south asian rep in a Nintendo game, but at the end of the day we shouldn’t overdramatize it. It’s not world ending. It’s not the only representation we get. It’s just a cool FICTIONAL character based on our culture.
Agreed
Well said
The forehead thing what I usually saw with the remarks about Frye. It was kind of the same thing with pearl 2
I think people are also upset about how Splatfests aren’t region locked anymore. Japanese players are more likely to support Shiver, not just cause of her socially acceptable appearance, but also because her character is based in real life Japan culture, so it gets a little patriotic in there too. Thus, they have an advantage in Shiver-biased numbers.
And it’s honestly bigger than this specific “Shiver Vs Frye Vs Big Man” splatfest, and more about how Shiver’s splatfests had been continuously winning since the very beginning, and don’t look like it’ll stop any time soon.
I personally always choose splatfest teams by what option is better, but i still really favor Frye as a brown person myself. Like the vid says, Frye nurtures that darker skinned representation in Splatoon, and personally it’s so disheartening how people have treated her so horribly especially since i’ve been with Splatoon since the first game. Seeing there finally be darker-skinned idols and getting them dogged on kind of sucks when you love the game so much.
I absolutely love all of the idols (which seems to be a rare thing lately 😭) so I understand Shiver defenders fighting for their life from Shiver haters. It’s sad for any character to get dogged on tbh. And Shiver doesn’t deserve the hate, none of the idols do. Unfortunately, Nintendo’s unlikely to region lock cause of the splatoon content they’re working on either. It’s all just pretty much disheartening.
@@NotAnInternetTroll And I'm gonna be true to this situation, but not only Shiver is popular but her personality is what peaple seek and see in a leader. I was going to vote for her, but this time was a reason to finally compete for Team Frye (I first played Splatoon on "Power vs Wisdom vs Corage"). Shiver is seems to be the most serious, most inteligente and controled, and not because of her being japonese, but what vibes her personality gives. Frye is energetic and seems more imature because of that and Big man is to lovable. Peaple have a especific vision of an leader, and it is serius, responsible, controled and mature, not the vibe that looking in general Frye and Big Man gives :(
Didn’t know people actually hated Frye. Thought the forehead stuff just continued from Pearl to Frye
I was one of the Frye forehead big people when they were revealed and loved big man. Now Frye is my favorite ( didn’t take long for that to happen ) big man is second favorite as he’s adorable and shiver is shiver just not much appeal to me.
@@BigPro1123 I actually like Frye over shiver, and shiver over bigman.
It did continue. Ppl are just taking being salty to another level
Frye was how I realized I liked big foreheads. With Pearl, I could argue that I liked her because she was a short gremlin and I related to that. Now I can't deny it. I blame Code Lyoko.
yeah me too!
Again, Splatfests are supposed to be fun. People need to stop taking them so seriously.
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its crazy cause the community was never THIS bad in splatoon 1 or 2 splatfetss
@@W1LDFIRECallie vs Marie:
@@OOFUS4103no were as bad as this one
@@OOFUS4103oh yeah right…..
Honestly, the 'frye never gets good options' argument doesn't hold any weight to me any more. The only times Shiver ever got an option that seemed like 'the objectively right answer' are the Gear and Money splatfests. Every other option frye had gotten - fire, sweet, milk chocolate, aliens, wisdom, strawberry - they are not bad. They're actually very common. People love sweet food, and milk chocolate, and the last time I checked [don't quote on this though] _Aliens_ had more presence than Nessie. Damn, I think _Big foot_ had more presence than nessie. Smh. I know not everyone votes honestly, some people will go for their favorite idols only regardless of if they win or lose, but I do wish we could stop looking back at Frye's options as if they were the most low-tier bottom dollar picks, because they really weren't. Until the team gives her bad theme options, I can't sit here and honestly agree with that kind of notion.
I agree with everything else you've said though and am glad you talked about it from how you see things regarding the splatfest.
I'm with Gem however when it comes to the trash talking. It doesn't do any good. If I go to a splatoon event, I don't go to watch people trash on each other. Not only does that make things un-fun for the other people playing, but it also makes things uncomfortable to watch. I did not enjoy sitting through that video and eventually skipped ahead a little bit, because it's just not enjoyable. I remember watching the Splat3 championship stream, and saw a team squidbagging at some point. I can't remember which team it was, maybe it was Jackpot or another, but that's what it looked like anyways. Mocking the competition isn't out of the ordinary, but it doesn't make it fun to see. That's how I felt here, with Kyo doing all that. It's not new, no. But why does it _have_ to happen? Why does it feel like people have to argue to make sure everyone expresses some basic decency towards their competition? I don't really understand it, I'll be honest. The only effects I've seen from any trash talking in any kind of event were negative. At Best. You can easily place rules that run along the lines of "No heckling," or "Do not talk out with the intention to rile others up" the same way you can in a discord, or any other event really. Whether people _want_ that is up for debate obviously. But I don't believe this is one of those things that we have to stop at with 'Nothing can be done 🤷🏻♂'.
I can agree. As a person who votes based on theme and not on char I have been all over them. Like I chose fun (Big Man), Plant (Shiver), Sweet (Frye), Dark choco (Shiver), Aliens (Frye), Courage (Big Man), Mint Chip (Big Man) then I didn't choose but I probably woul've went with love(Big Man) and lastly I chose Shiver. So while it is not perfectly distributed it is simply based on preferences. Like I actualyl know a lot of people who like Milk Chocolate best but I just love Dark choco. I wish we could generally be more loving in the Splatoon community again. I think some people do take the Splatfests too seriously. They are about fun. So I am very sorry that POC feel attacked. I think Frye is cute and important to Deep Cut just as the other members.
I also dislike trashtalk and the likes but I just stay away from it. Only kind I enjoy is fun stuff where you very obviously notice it is in good fun.
literally tho w the second part, "it's always been this way" is a non argument for something as malleable as social norms within certain communities. and tbh it's weird that when people express being uncomfortable with this kind of behaviour they're met with "get used to it" and "stop complaining" but those same people are so fast to defend the practice when it's called into question (basically both parties respond immediately with an emotional response so it's ludicrous the people who are fine w trash talking jump to label people complaining abt it as the emotional ones who need to get over things)
Money was definitely not the "objectively right answer", if anything Love was the most objective answer.
Everyone online was pratically against it, making various arguments against it and mentioning that Money hadn't won either times it came during Splatoon 1 & 2.
@@poketronex Pretty much. I've always dislikes the "That's just how it is" stance, because while it's true, it doesn't Have to be. It doesn't Have to be that way any more, but when someone says that, it just tells me they are unwilling to change. And if they are, they can't see other people being willing to change, so they keep it that way for those people. The worst reason to do continue doing something is "because that's how it's always been."
You can have a fair fight, and have everyone have fun, and have it Not devolve into some silly trash talking clown show that just leaves people upset in the end.
@@tacobanana6538 The money option isn't an objective answer in my eyes, but with the arguments some make, it can be seen as one. It's debatable. But if we take that away, it kind of just continues what I said prior. There hasn't really been an "objective answer" for any of the splatfests since Gear. It's been fairly balanced, surprisingly.
What I feel that a lot of the Shiver "haters" (whether real or just justifiably upset) seem to be failing to see is that apart from the Popularity portion, this splatfest was INSANELY close! like less than 1%. Even with Shiver's immense popularity lead, she still almost lost.
Exactly, i was crying out about "needing regional" until i actually sat and looked at the scores.
Frye in second place for tri-color, big man for open, frye almost beating big man for pro.
Its insanely close, so close that it actually seems fair which i now think it is, no one region is responsible for this outcome, its the ehole team working together to fight the handicaps and the throwers to achieve victory.
People say that every time but that does not negate the fact that every single splat fest has been won by the most popular team except for the time where the popularity had a less than 1% difference
@@shrimpshufflr7745 WE MIGHT BE WINNING, LAST FEST WAS WON BY A 20% POPULARITY TEAM
I wonder how much colorism would affect Frye’s public perception. I really like the way she is now, I’m just curious because in Bollywood media, I hear lots of talks of colorism, where lighter skinned actors and actresses are favored over those with a darker skin tone. This is just what I’ve read about, but I believe it brings a valid point into the discussion.
I picked Big Man, but I kinda wish I picked Frye, even with the results that came out!
I love shiver for her personality and shark theming and I love Frye for her chaotic personality I love the way her eyes are stylized. I hate that people are being so mean to frye
[rant, lol:] For most Splatfests, I would usually be on Shiver’s team. Not because Shiver themselves, but the option.
Gear - logical. Power - Ganon is cool! Nessie - Scotland rep! 🏴🙌 Money - I’m not social enough for fame…
However, for best leader, I went Frye, as I genuinely believe she shows more positive leadership qualities!
As usual, some (Twitter) people are blowing it out of proportion to stir the pot. However, I also do recognise that Frye hate was kinda crazy. I get preferring a character design to another, but straight up saying she’s ugly??? And saying it’s cause of the ‘non-Eurocentric’ features?! Nah mate, Frye cute as hell, stfu! 💛🦑
[Edit: my point gets kinda muddy near the end, so TLDR: Frye deserves better! 🌻]
I don’t know why people call her ugly. She is genuinely really cute and has a fun personality!
I was on team shiver during last weeks splatfest only but that doesn't mean I liked frye any less. I genuinely love frye just as much as shiver and big man. This drama really needs to stop.
Thank you for reviewing this topic, I feel like for many people who don’t see issues regarding race in the gaming industry, are the same people preventing change in this world. I really appreciate your video and hope others realize how important representation matters even in video games, Marina and Frye are both representations of characters of color who have darker complexions and I think it’s a wonderful thing that some people at Nintendo would include characters like them in Splatoon. They are much needed representations for POC and myself to be able to understand and appreciate the diversity of the series.
I do think that some people just don't see race. Weather that is a problem or not I can't say. So those people get really confused about issues revolving around race and racial tensions because to them it just doesn't make sense since in their minds, it's not any kind of pervasive thought, race just is.
I think the issue is that Frye fans think she isn’t wining because people are racist even though in splatoon 2 marina won a lot
@@Nolosers36winning a lot in America and any other country or Japan that is region locked?
Thanks dude, feels like you’re one of the few ppl I’m seeing not downplaying or trying to explain away the issue. Racism and colorism are still very much a prominent problem in all parts of the world, and ignoring it is gonna make it worse.
I was honestly rooting for Frye even tho I was team big man but after seeing the way people were reacting i just cant I honestly feel I don’t want to associate with the community anymore I saw a minor being g*respammed for being team shiver and it’s actually insane
I'm honesty done with splatfest all together . I find the modes boring and I'm only there to get sea snails. but with the community acting like this, I honestly couldn't be bothered.
@@afroling2096x2, i only play splatfest now for the sea snails, the people now is more agressive and woke with this topics like the colour of people... is so sad...
@@Mundi260I understand your sentiment but with how “nothing” of a word woke is, it takes some points off
People making this bigger of an issue than Frye's forehead.
Your first mistake was interacting with the community, this shit is why we had miiverse back in the day
To be frank, it’s just disappointing that this particular Splatfest brought out the absolute worst in a lot of players. While I could digress that this game has brought out the toxicity in the fandom more than the previous two, it has gotten way out of hand.
Between people taking what is essentially an opinion poll with extra steps out of context, taking the competitiveness to extremes for what is supposed to be a fun event to bring the community together, and the fact that the themes have been very… uneven and basic. But the racism just pushes it way over the top.
In the end, we need to do better as a community and learn to be more open minded and lighthearted.
Wait, when did eveone stop unanimously love Marina and stop making fun of Pearl for her forehead? You know, that thing that was referenced in the game. I thought it was the exact opposite of what you said. Did I miss Splatoon 5 or something?
Yeah i was confused too.
I don't think this has to turn into a race war. There's lots of factors why the results are the way they are. It can't simply just be because Frye is black (imo she's middle eastern), although there is a smaller minority of people that do think this way and this is what we're pushing to the forefront.
Shiver's inspiration is Japanese. That's probably going to appeal to Japanese people more than a Middle Eastern or Brazilian character.
@NapaCat it could be a factor of other regional players knowing Shiver's popularity in JP (for obvious reasons) and choosing her to win, there's just so much to it
Frye is south asian but I do think people underestimate how much Japan relates to Shiver. She rides a freaking shark lol.
Frye is Indian, BM is Brazilian and Shiver is Japanese, you see this in their lore, appearance, themes and music references
Completely agree. Too many factors.
As a student who’s currently writing a paper on representation in media (specifically video games) and also a Team Frye member I found this discussion very worthwhile. A lot of these types of discussions on your channel have been part of my inspiration. Great work as always!
Ngl bro that paper seems kinda bad, imo.
ehh don’t listen to the other guy i’d read that paper. representation in media is an interesting topic imo, considering media itself is like a mirror of our cultural values. i wrote a paper once about the representation of mental illness in movies and it’s by far my fav thing i’ve written and has been used by other professors as an example for their students. there’s definitely room for this kind of discussion in academic spaces 👍
@@fruitjuiicerepresentation in modern media usally leads to Tokenism and bad writing.
Back in the 80s and/or 90s, minority characters actually had good writing when it came to scripts and characteristics that made them interested and/or relatable.
Not to mention decent plots that made you feel either emotional or greatly entertained.
Nowadays, films that are about "representation" do not care about any of that.
Edit: And this is coming from the mouth of a minority.
@@FireGlitch representation does not have to equal tokenism. tokenism is just poor representation, and in itself is harmful for the group being portrayed because it usually leads to one-dimensional writing, which then leads to bad tropes and stereotypes. good, earnest attempts at diversity won’t even stand out as ‘representation’ if done right, because the writing will come from a well informed source who is invested in making dynamic characters and stories that just -happen- to also include minority groups not often shown positively in media. it should come from a desire to share unique stories, or stories close to one’s own background- not to fill a quota
from the sound of it i don’t think you’re actually against representation, i think you’re just against bad writing
@@fruitjuiiceYes I am against bad writing.
And guess what most of the films made for "representation" is usually just a crutch for bad writing whereas films in the 90s that had gay or black characters actually had a decent plot, script, etc.
Because back then no one used "representation" and "diversity" as a blatant crutch.
On the Kyo situation, from what you described, I disagree with your position. Even if you aren't trying to be mean to others saying mean things can be harmful. You can say "just don't do it to people who don't like it", but should our standard really be that we can trash talk anyone except people who have the courage to admit they don't like it? I hear your point that it's just a given in competitive scenes, but does it have to be? It seems to me that Splatoon fans are generally against trash talk (which could be totally wrong), and I am not against having a community with a higher standard of sportsmanship.
Like Gem said, is there a benefit to trash talk? Do we need it to keep Splatoon events interesting? I don't think so. Now I'll admit that I don't have a lot of experience with competitive events and I may be reading some stuff wrong, but I just wanted to share my opinion. This was at most a minor example of trash talk, but that doesn't make it right.
This
I think trash talk can be fine between friends but I see no point in doing to people you don't know. And if trash talk is one of the ways to make the game more interesting than the games just boring
Exactly this. My friend told me about the situation with Basil and Kyo and I just assumed this was on Twitter but the fact that Kyo had a fit, on stage, at a major, just because he wanted Basil to switch to liter (which isn’t that good in higher level because of how slow it is) is honestly crazy to me
Kyo is a cry baby! I beat his as on splatoon 2 with his own weapon too. He lucky I retired or else I would whoop his as on Splatoon 3 too
@@agarcia6770I agree, he so childish
I agree- and if it were for the sake of entertainment, the appropriate thing to do would be asking/planning a skit beforehand so nobody is hurt. It's true that Kyo's trash talk was pretty mild, but it's not a good look for the community- especially at big events like Riptide. They are role models, and should strive to have good sportsmanship. I fear that the next event I go to will some other people thinking this is acceptable.
I want to see which team would win in each region if they weren’t combined. It would be interesting to see how different they are from each other in all categories
My god people, Frye wasnt dragged through the mud because of the color of her skin. It’s because of her FOREHEAD. That’s IT. This literally fucking happened with Pearl, who is whiter than the fucking snow. MARINA was more popular because they thought she was more attractive. She is ALSO POC. It isn’t that fucking deep, and it never has been with these two characters.
Thank you.
I can see why people get upset over artists using a more pastel colour pallette when it comes to black people thanks to "not so nice people" using said colour pallette as an excuse to be a pos. I can also see artists just using that colour pallette because they like it or that was the style they went for and nothing more.
Racism ain't cool full stop.
When I saw Frye my first thoughts was "oh cool! A vampyre squid!". Not "ha ha large forehead" or anything that's nasty. I just saw a cool character based off a rather cute squid in my opinion.
I should add that I have since heard that players are being doxxed over this splatfest but I have no proof, just hearsay. Racism isn't cool, racist actions being disguised as art or "just your style" isn't cool and neither is doxxing.
Now I'm probably missing things due to being wonderful awful at picking up social ques and what have you. But this is why we cannot have nice things.
Sorry this is long, I just wanted to get all my thoughts on the situation out there.
So, I was on Team Shiver myself.
But that was only because the Splatfest wasn't "Who's your favourite Deep Cut Member" It was asking who'd be the best leader. And I've always seen it as
"Shiver would plan the fire"
"Frye would cause the fire"
"Big Man would be IN the fire"
And seeing as I thought Shiver has a lot of cunning traits I chose her. But Frye and Big Man aren't bad picks either, they all have great leadership traits.
I like ALL the Deep Cut members! They all have some form of representation and their music style blends them all perfectly. A blend of Eastern Asian style brought on by Shiver, South Asian style brought on by Frye, and what surprised me, Brazilian theming regarding Big Man!
A part of me feels as if the Splatfests aren't only influenced by racial bias (don't get me wrong, it does definitely play a factor) but I feel as if they give Shiver most of the "sensible" options. (Like the Gear vs Grub vs Fun Splatfest. The logic was that *with Gear* you could *have Fun* and also *obtain Grub.* So I picked Gear because that meant access to the other two to me.) Frye generally gets the bad end of the three sided cake, and to me... THAT'S A SHAME. That is beyond a shame, because I LIKE FRYE.
And then Big Man gets the silly option on occasion.
Frye and Big Man getting sillier options than Shiver is a definite problem, because I don't pick Splatfest Teams based on what Idol I like, I pick them based on what I agree with and what option I like most.
To me I feel as if Splatfest talk is becoming more hostile. There's been a noticeable amount of discourse to me since Money vs Fame vs Love. I chalk it up to Splatoon reaching a much wider audience than it used to, but still, way too much toxicity. At first it was all just jokes, but then Money won and people went bonkers stating the game was homophobic. The game which not only now allows crossdressing (in the form of the School Uniform gear) but also femme hair on masc characters and vice versa. I picked love, and am currently in a gay relationship. Yeah it's disheartening that money won but I remember that "love" is a very strong word in other places. People don't say "I love you man" to a friend in a lot of other cultures because the word "love" is seen as strictly romantic. It didn't bother me as much since it's not *regional.* What bothered me was everyone calling people who picked money homophobic. Homie, "love" ain't just a homosexual term.
I digress. I wish people would look past "hee-hee funny forehead" to see how great Frye is as a character. From what I know, the forehead is somewhat based around what is considered beautiful in South Asian cultures. While I don't hate people for forehead jokes, I still refrain from it because I feel mean laughing at it.
Life's too short to hate characters in a bright, beautiful, and fun videogame about Squids, Kids, and Colours. Endless colours. Above the darkness of the lore there are endless colours.
I'm more Filipino and Puerto Rican than I am German and British, but feel as if I don't deserve a say on a lot of racially charged situations since I haven't had to deal with most of the problems people with darker skin-tones or non-European facial features unfortunately have to. As a writer I strive to make as many diverse characters as I can because the world would be beyond boring if we were all the same; I love writing stories where everyone, no matter who they are, come together to march through the storm, to rebuild, to fight together. All I can say is, I think most people picked Shiver because she has had the most "sensible" options and they truly thought she was a great leader. Or they just thought "he-he cute octopus me like," to which, hey, who am I to judge.
Those who do pick Shiver and evade Frye because of racial biases, those who make Frye and Marina lighter skintones, those who say "fairer skin is better" are the ones who should sit down and really think about things. Really educate themselves. I believe Shiver and the majority of her fans did nothing wrong, but I definitely believe Big Man and especially Frye deserve better.
It makes me glad to see posts in the plaza of Shiver, Frye, and Big Man hugging it out
Simp!
Btw, the homophobia thing was a joke. Nobody genuinely believed Splatoon was homophobic. It probably comes from the joke "love wins" in response to gay media but in this splatfest love lost. So homophobia. Its as shrimple as that
@@strawberryshortpup3655 Yeah, I get that, I knew most people were saying it as a joke, it's just that I saw a vocal few people treat it as if it wasn't. But you've got a fair point.
@@cornlobby8404 Still feels kind of weird hearing that some people did take it seriously. Maybe they were just really intense in their humor? That can happen sometimes. Of course, you know what you saw and I didn't see it myself. Just putting in my two cents.
@@strawberryshortpup3655 What I saw could very well have been really intense humor, or not. I'll never know, so I won't think much of it, it's in the past after all. Your two cent take is much appreciated
For me, every splatfest I participated in I voted based on the choices given not the idol who had them. Its sad that Shiver always ends up with the choices I prefer except for like 2 times when I went with Frye and Big Man, I love all 3 idols equally but it cant be helped that I prefer the choices Shiver gets.
Every event I ask my bf to tell me which team he thinks will win, he doesn't know the idols/what they look like only the choices and he has guessed the winning team correctly like 9 times out of 10 and almost every time he said Shivers choices would win cause that option is what majority of the ppl would vote for because its the option that would clearly be picked..
So.. really I think part of the issue is def the choices that they have.
It does suck shiver has all the good ones like Nessie, vanilla, grass and dark chocolate for the ones I remember picking. Obviously gear power and money were the better option statistically but I like the other options more.
@@BigPro1123nah money was just misphraisesd
If you have all of your needs met, what would you pursue?
If you’re starving obviously you’ll choose money but once your needs are met love is what you want to go for.
Wish we had just 2 idols instead of 3 tbh
Strongly agree, bring Marina with her Shifty Stations back
Strongly disagree
It sometimes feels like it’s two idols as big man doesn’t talk as much and don’t always notice him behind the tv making him feel invisible to me at times.
@BigPro-vm6np they should've been shiver and frye as the idol with big man as the producer/Manager tbh
I feel like on occasion they could do 2 teams with 2 idols repping one team and then having no tricolor, like a mini fest of sorts.
I walked away from this splatfest massively disappointed in the results. The win ratio for each idol is (in the first year of splatfest 70% shiver, 10% Frye, and 20% big man) It's not really as fun when it feels like the results are nearly predetermined.
I've reached my own solution though, having entirely lost faith in 3's fests I'm just going to go on and continue to vote for the option I most believe. The results will be boring but at the end of the day I'm just here to collect my snails and go home. Splatoon 3 Splatfest is a sham and I'm ready to accept that.
I also really kinda hate the way people have been treating Frye since the outset.
Its kinda weird how my preferences changed since debut to now for deep cut. I loved big man to pieces at first but i didnt rly vibe much wit shiver and frye. For frye, i didnt rly care abt her forehead, but i didnt think the neon purple looked too good with dark brown. At some point i warmed up to frye, though, but i dont like shivers smug personality, no matter how much the other members try to say she has a heart of gold. She should show that heart more if its there.. but onto the meat and potatoes of this comment
Its kind of awkward being half SE Asian (cambodian specifically) with this whole debacle over shiver and frye. That, and the fact I'm light skinned cuz im half white lol. Despite Cambodia basically being a mix of indian and chinese cultures, frye just resonates more with me outside of personality (im more like big man in that sense). Even though I'm not one to dawdle too much about representation, it did feel like sh-- to see people telling me im just coping when explaining that there is a bias towards shiver from japan. However, I do think both sides should be listened to regardless of affiliation. Theres no learning and understanding unless both parties communicate, or at least thats how I see it. Shiver fans need to stop saying to cope and to actually give feedback if we want this gunk to stop.
On a side note, some shiver fans were telling people to attack players and not the idol, despite the idol being fictional and players being actual people... I'd rather have anger go to something that cant actually feel than to real people.
you put my thoughts into words perfectly. it is so refreshing to see a comment not dismissing the seriousness and discomfort of the matter.
@@murmirr aw thx ^^ im glad my feelings are not just my own.
Are we forgetting Marina’s win streak in Splatoon 2???😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yes lol
I don’t get why switch to e-liter is trash talk to begin with?
And I feel the boos were just because chargers are not likable to fight against
Am I missing something?
A lot of the Splatfest tweets were meme’ing but occasionally you’d see someone’s racism actually come out via Splatoon
Thank you for this video
This stuff is wild and terrible
I was on shiver's team too but i love all these characters
They are all dope but to throw crap on Frye is freaking trash
Ok. Now Splatfests being racist is really really dumb. I don’t think that has anything to do with racism
I wouldn't say racism but definitely cultural bias. it's not surprising that japan votes for the idol that is meant to be japanese
Another example that Twitter(oh sorry, it's X now😒) is probably the worst social media ever💀
I gave up on picking the team I agree with because no matter what shiver always seems to win and at this point there’s no point in having themes people are picking their favorite idol 😭
I don't think it's a race issue, but rather Nintendo assigning idol teams unfairly. Shiver will usually get the first option, which people are much more likely to choose. Another factor is just because shiver has a more cold-bloded theme, which people find far cooler then Frye's theme (i guess)
I really don’t think the majority of Frye hate has to do with her race tbh. If anything, people don’t like Fryes design because of her forehead which is undeniably large. I am not denying the fact that people are racially motivated to not pick Frye, but it’s clearly not the main motivator.
at least thats what ive heard. i cant cite exactly but i know its close to that
Marina was absolutely more popular than Pearl before the dlc came out. It's not about skin color.
As a black person i don't understand why people are trying so hard to bring race into a fucking kids game :/
People always gotta have something to argue about.
they cant live without politics for 5 minutes, one of many side effects of twitter been the only social media people use. i remember just a few months back when some dude was almost cancelled just because his inkling skin didnt match his real life one.
Ikr
I did lost as Big Man, and also social media is up in flames because Shiver won, and I am not mad about it, until Daybreaker Anthem song kicks in, it was very good. Yeah, Splatfests post to be fun, not take it seriously. Also, trash talking is horrible in the Splatoon Community.
I’m less mad and much more Disheartened and de-motivated
You wanna know what's really interesting? There was this person that uploaded a short little video of them playing tricolor, and that video it was both team frye and big man jumping team shiver because they pretty much were locked in their base getting spawn camped over and over. I left a comment of how I found it pretty funny under the tweet, and not even 5 seconds later somebody starts harassing me and when I blocked them that same person that was harassing me precedes to go into their second account and continues harassing me from there. 😭
Like why is that person acting brand new when people in tricolor have probably done this type of thing multiple times? 😀
Curious, I always thought Marina was way more popular than her counterpart Pearl. (Like her team constantly won in Splatoon 2’s splatfests)
Ngl the trash talk incident was tame for me now that I think abt it cuz it's just telling someone to switch back to another weapon, but I always strive to not trash talk other people lol!
Ngl I had a lot of fun in the splatfest due to the randomized tri-color stages! (I was on Team Frye)
I saw a comment saying that all of Deep Cut specialize/lead in their own stuff, like Shiver for news, Frye for robbery, Big Man for music!
I have seen some people say that we need to have splatfests be region locked again because most ppl in Japan voted Shiver I think, but I still want to be able to play with friends on the other side of the globe (I'm in Asia lol)
I think a better solution might be to tweak the splatfest themes a bit to be a bit more fair.
I think banter for splatfests is great, but it shouldn't get out of hand sooo I think Nintendo should put a PSA in game to help people be better people
Don’t worry shiver will be the sacrifice in the final splatfest 😂
Japanese: allow us to introduce ourselves
Gotta realize, the one who wins the most usually loses the finals.
edit 2: As a POC, not gonna say anything controversial, but if you’re gonna make wars and whatever about a game, just stop playing Splatoon, please.
Agreed. Like bro, stop trying to start nonsense over a video game that is meant to be fun.
Also, what do you mean by "POC"
My poor friend didn’t even sleep during this splatfest (they were team Frye and cried after shiver won ):
Will people please stop Splatfest are supposed to be FUN not like oh shiver win again I hate the entire game for one tiny thing.
I have officially given up on trying to win splatfests whatever we do shiver will win so all I do is play for super sea snails like at this point it forwent even feel that worth it anymore
I mean splatoon has racism in the case of squid vs octopus. And in the Marina English quote, I think that’s a relatable comment to poc, and I think it is unfortunate, but still relatable.
In the wise words of Woah Vicky:
STOP HATIN'! STOP! STOP THAT SHIT NOW! I LOVE EVERYBODY!
They should make it so you choose the team one week before knowing which idol represents it
I do think people dislike frye because they dont see her as a typically pretty quiet femme idol. I love her for her upbeat happy personality and usually like her reasonings for her splatfest team. When i first saw the new idol designs she stuck out to me the most. I love that people have her as representation for themselves. I hate seeing this happen to her, i dont have dark skin but my mom and brother are brown, and we grew up/ live in a predominantly white rural area in wisco and i know what its like to be discriminated against for my race. Pearl has a big ass forehead and wasnt as femme as marina, she was super upbeat and had some crazy ideas (i actually usually didnt pick her teams) but i dont remember seeing her getting treated like frye does. The only difference i can see is that frye has dark skin and pearl doesnt.
Shivers head is a football...
Callie:
As someone on team shiver, I gotta say some stuff:
First of all, people are actually wrecking their switches over this? It’s a 5 win streak, I know it’s frustrating and it’s okay to be angry but Jesus destroying a perfectly good Nintendo console?
Second off, literally everyone on every team spawn camps. Does it suck? Yes. Is it unfair? Yes. Is is limited to only one team? No, everyone does it because everyone wants to win.
Third off, CALM DOWN. Nobody on team shiver has said a single insult or word to the other teams that is offensive, rude, mean, etc. so why is everyone targeting us, reporting us, berating us, calling us toxic for PLAYING THE GAME AND WINNING, and blaming us for their broken switches that we had literally nothing to do with? It’s not our fault if you can’t handle a loss, pick yourself up and don’t throw a little tantrum
And the fourth thing I wanna say is none of you would survive the win streaks of Splatoon 1 and 2. I know I would like the stereotypical “haha nerd emoji angry shiver fan” but I seriously think we’re getting too much hate as a whole for having a small amount of toxic players in the past (I do admit some of us suck though) and I’m tired of getting screamed at or called a simp and having to be scared of getting reported or banned just for playing a game and having fun on a team I like
Sorry for the rant I just don’t see people pointing any of this out
I am so happy you've made this video, ive never had twitter and majority of those sorts of platforms so i never actually felt until now my feelings on frye and marina were shared. To have a game company like nintendo give characters like marina and frye who represent both parts of the culture ive grown up with as a mixed raced person? Brought so much joy to me and my sisters. Seeing frye bashed for her appearance being geared towards things like this? Made me want to cry. I hope people understand her worth to people like me and my sisters eventually! Great video!
If you feel represented by fictional squids, I'm sorry but you and your sisters got issues of your own.
Aint even represented/inspired by a real person 💀
@@FireGlitch frye is literally based off south Asian culture, something I dont see often in media I like. And I didnt say I felt like she herself, a squid, represented me, I said the fact she represented the CULTURE I've grown up with is important to me, how long you been scrolling just to see this comment too lol? This isn't liked or recent enough to show up on the first couple of scrolls
@@promiseofreunion5760A video game is important to you?
I mean, if your culture is important to you, I wouldn't have anything bad to say about it.
But unless you are playing the story mode, most of that "representation" isn't going to mean much if you are just splatting people in Turf War.
This is a 3rd person shooter multiplayer game, you know.
@@FireGlitch I have fully completed story mode but still go back to play it occasionally, I only play turf wars occasionally, so dunno what to tell you other than okay yeah it's a game? I'm aware it's just a game but that doesn't change how I feel?? Lol dunno what you're trying to achieve here
@@promiseofreunion5760 I honestly think it is ridiculous to treat a game like Splatoon 3 extremely serious for "representation"
Also, If you want your culture to be represented, why not do your own part instead relying on media companies? Seems like you aren't even taking your own culture as seriously via helping other people from within your own community.
Also, the fact you claimed to have cried over a fictional character being mocked is so ridiculously goofy that I hope that you're joking.
Though, I'll admit, I may need to stop scrolling through comment sections or something.
Shiver is themed around Japanese culture... y'know, where majority of the playerbase is? Shiver's mega-popular there, of course the results are going to be skewed to NA players. This is why I thought regionlocks existed, to prevent this.
Lol i guess that video where they were reporting shiver fans backfire spectacularly
I come for the sea shells and the sea shells only. People were saying this was the last Splatfest? Is it? This is really the first time I actually decided to participate in one.
I doubt this is the last one lol
Nah, it was the first "special splatfest" there are more on the way!
it's just the anniversary fest. i think some poeple are confused because splatoon 1 ended with a fest between callie and marie
Ah ok then! Good to know cause I was confused on what they were talking about.
Coming from someone who enjoys not being on Twitter... I had no idea about any of this. I'm quite shocked. I absolutely LOVE Frye's character design and she's been my fav from the start. I also thought she had the cutest Splatfest shirt. And for some reason I was under the belief that Big Man was gonna be voted most popular. Geez, I was wrong.
I don't think racism is that big of a factor there. It's most likely just JP players choosing Shiver, because she's very japanese inspired.
I also read that JP players sometimes like picking teams just based on Ink color, and last i time i've checked, blue is a waaaay more popular color than red and especially yellow. So if that's true, it could also explain Shiver's popularity in this Fest.
Either way, i think Splatfest results should be region locked again. The JP playerbase is just too big and it can cause problems if their culture heavily favors one option.
I was on team shiver and I got a few death threats on Twitter. I found out there was a way to prevent randoms from messaging you so I haven’t had any issues since
I feel like nintendo needs to disconnect the idols from the answers on the question because i think it just makes the question about the idol and not de questions them self also i personally would say this is the first time shiver won because it was actually about deep cut and people who chose options on the base of the idol are the reason i would like to see a splatfest question without the idols influence
I definitely agree with you. I think it just hits harder when it's your favorite idol and theme.
I barely ever choose teams based on the idols, I choose it on the option. Most of the time Shiver’s teams are just the right answer….
I would just like to point out that dispite having the popularity, shiver's teams biggest win was only by a 0.60% for tri color.
The other was a less then 0.20% difference, this could have been anyones game, in fact big man is closer to shivers score then fryes except in tri-color, which i can only assume happened because of throwers.
So in conclusion this was a super close match and with the popular team getting the most mirror matches thst means they worked even harder then the others for clout.
Race doesn't have a factor in this and Japan isn't to blame for her winning and global splatfests are working as intended, there are safe guards to prevent steamrolling.
how is Kyo saying "hop the fuck off" and "drop it" not thin-skinned behaviour?
The comparison to worse behaviour like racism in football is incinsere, especially because the response to racist behaviour does not end at "grow thicker skin". If ALL competitors need to "shrug it off" when getting bm'd, then ALL competitors should handle being getting called out on direspectful behaviour gracefully
Kyo would be catching these hands! I ain’t going to let someone who failed to win NA a championship talk to me like that
POC here. My two cents on the matter, if you're disappointed about Frye losing, by all means go ahead. But blaming it on racism is rather disingenuous. Let me get this out by saying that I don't have a problem with representation in media. I'm also not denying that there are a few players that are racist towards Frye. But, saying that Frye lost *solely* because of racism just feels like a scapegoat to blame Shiver players. To me, it feels like people are looking far too deep into things and taking it far too seriously just because they lost an event in funny squid game.
I agree with you.
Also what the heck is a POC
@@FireGlitch Short for person of color.
@@JetTheSet02So what are you supposed to be?
Black? Indian?
@@FireGlitch Black
@@JetTheSet02Boi, why can't you just say that you're black?
I seriously thought you were white for a moment.
8:33 let's not act dumb, it's the artstyle, pearl and shiver being completely WHITE means Frye and Marina will also have a lighter skin tone, or else it just wouldn't match and look weird in the image. They're still clearly black
What's funny about regional splatfest is that we do have a machine that sets our region for region exclusive. Nintendo hasn't done anything with it at all
They need to do regional splatfests again but keep the same theme for everyone. I was on shiver but I didn’t think the popularity was this bad. Japan has a massive influence over the popularity vote.
Either way people have acted abysmal on social media for this splatfest and some shit was inexcusable. Clam down dudes, everyone gets snails either way.
These people who criticize splatfests should chill out, It's just a game and it's about having fun. If you don't have fun, FIND ANOTHER GAME
Fr now they talking abt race but...
WHO CARES IF FRYE IS BLACK THE THEMES ARE THE IMPORTANT THING,
Even in Splatoon 2 there was a Winning streak (i forgot if It was Pearl or Marina).
And people wonder why there arent many poc characters in videogames- People Just use them as an excuse to be salty
💯
You were scrolling Twitter? That was the first mistake
Imagine Shiver any Fry exchanged their skin color, I wonder how people would act
I really don't think that it needs to go back to a duo. Big Man is the first male idol, and the first non Inkling/Octoling. I love Big Man cuz of his characteristics, and identity with him. So people saying that it should go back to a duo kinda breaks my heart. While Nintendo does need to do something with the themes and with Splatfests as a whole (like adding Ranked for people who don’t like turf war, maybe also Tableturf as well), going back to 2 idols isn't the way to fix Splatfests.
"Ken reads Twitter again"
The thing about the trash talk that is different in Splatoon is this...
Regardless how tame it was, regardless how common it is in e-sports...
A CROWD FULL OF COMPETITIVE SPLATOON PLAYERS collectively booed Kyo for the trash talk. IMHO that tells me that as a community, we DON'T WANT Splatoon to be like other e-sports in that way. We want it to be FREE of that aspect. We don't want to see those in our community reduce ourselves to that sort of behavior.
And I think that's why people are dragging Kyo for it.
I understand where people are coming from when it comes to representation. me personally as a black woman, I don't care. if the character is appealing i couldn't care less what their skin colour is. representation isnt a necessity for me. As long as they aren't hand-me-downs (races swaps and such) I'm fine with it. When it comes to Frye, i like her and think shes a cool character. we didnt win the splatfest and thats okay. its just a game. those people going to the extreme about Shiver winning seriously need more than therapy. as for all the info about people not liking frye for her race (i honestly haven't seen it myself) its strange to me. Anyway, i don't really care that much about race and find it weird that people are so hyper focused on it
I had no idea how severe the splatoon community gets. I picked shiver because i thought that was the answer and honestly I liked the purple ink. I think all the idols are great! the representative is an amazing thing too.
The um
Her ink is not purple,,
@@tisjustangieIt’s like blu ish purple I’d say. It’s supposed to represent fryes fingertips as well.
I picked shiver for the ink also! Purple/blue is my favorite colors
Thank you for this video. I had not thought that this splatfest might also do something with the race bias- now that I'm aware, I will be voting for Frye more often now. I like Frye, she's cool and badass when she wants to. She controls multiple eels and has great dance moves!
I don't understand why big forehead is a big deal though. Idols aren't always going to be conventionally attractive, not saying that Frye isn't pretty because she is, so making fun of her appearance can really hurt those who also have a large forehead.
My guy, she's literally just Pearl 2.0 with that big ahhh forehead
Race bias? I was pretty sure Marina was more popular than Pearl and Pearl only got popular after the octo expansion.
Also people reporting people on team shiver was insane and so stupid
Oh my goodness you all need to chill out with this 'ethnic representation' nonsense. Frye is not losing because she's dark skinned and she's not being hated on for that. I'm all for diversity too, but I think that some of you are really overthinking all of this. Pearl got made fun for having a large forehard too. That wasn't fans being racist towards her, they were just poking fun at her. People still love her, same goes for Frye. It's not that serious. I know it's kind of annoying that Shiver keeps winning and I'm a Frye fan myself, but it's just a game. It's not worth losing sleep over or comparing a fictional character to a horrible dictator. How do you even come up with saying something like that? Some of you really need to shut off the device and go outside for once...
I can assure you nobodys losing sleep over this, the game is already falling off on its own as is
@@Minn_Aya Sadly, you're right, but you know that there's always that weird bunch in a fanbase.
I think your comments on trash talk are completely wrong. I believe that, as someone who trash talks a lot, trash talk has no place on a professional/competitive stage. You wanna talk like that in scrims or practice with friends go for it. You wanna do it in solo queue in a game like Valorant or League, be my guest. But when you hit a stage and are playing in front of an audience, against other well respected people in the scene, you keep it to yourself. That's what casters are there for. THEY make fun of the players for little mistakes IF they feel comfortable with it. Especially as a competitor if you're invited out, you act as a guest in that house and treat the others with respect. No player went there with the intention of getting smack talked to and embarrassed in front of that crowd, they came to play. "it is to be expected" is a weak defense since if it's not expected everywhere (this would not fly at Nintendo world tournament) then it shouldn't be expected anywhere
Exactly! That is why I can't stand kyo! toxic 💩 have no business on a professional stage
As someone who was on Frye’s team. I can agree this winning situation has drove the splatoon community into a mess. Like during the splatfest I noticed a lot of players were very intense than normal.
once race is brought into it, it's gone too far imo. it's a video game about funky squids and octopi shooting ink at eachother, lore or not, that's what it is. splatfests are supposed to be fun, and when people start doing this, it takes all the fun out of it.
I think they stopped with region locked fests because people complained that JP was getting all the good splatfests.
If anything, losing the popularity vote could be an advantage, because of how the clout system works. Your contribution is more significant if you have fewer players, where as with the team winning the popular vote you have to work that much harder to have the same impact because some people will vote but not play, contribute less than 100000 clout and bring the average down.
I do note that of all the splatfests I've only not voted for Shiver once, and that was the pokemon splatfest due to my preference for water. With that in mind, I do think that they need to start looking at better themes and giving Frye better choices.
Kyo has reached that point where he's so good and consistently a top performer thats its becoming popular in the West to hate on everything he does. Having said that, trash talk is natural in the course of competition. As long as dudes not talking about your mom for example its pretty chill, no need to deep it.
Not sure about the other points but in regards to Region Locking, splatfests in 1 and 2 were lag fests for some regions (Mainly Europe as in 1 and 2 I think Australia shared splatfests with EU whilst NA and JP got their own), removing Region lock made splatfests for EU players more manageable and less miserable
Not just looks, but I feel like Japan doesn't like the crass idols. Even pearl was unpopular when the second game came out because she was bratty just like frye. Shiver has an elegant vibe and Big Man is passive and not as outspoken. You see this with Squid Sisters too. Marie, was the more popular one for personality ressons. I have to admit, even as a black person, I tend to gravitate to demure idols rather than the bubbly and crass.
Idk I kinda liked being less popular by a long shot. Less popular = less mirror matches. That alone made this way more fun than any splatfest since the pokemon splatfest. (Unpopular opinion but I kinda prefer how tricolor was done before spicy vs sweet vs sour)
I think I know now why I had a guy with a pain brush on my team get 180p total during a 100x game now. It's hilarious how mad people get over a character in a game lmao like Im not even a big shiver fan I just think shes a cool game character and it was obvious she was going to win from the beginning
Nintendo should hire me because i have some ideas to fix the Splatfests and some new Splatfest themed ideas that make them not rigged
What are your ideas?
They should hire me to help design new maps 🩷
Also what themes do you think are good ?
@@Anonymous-bi5pv here is a list of my Splatfest themed ideas:
The Tokusaksu Splatfest: Kamen Rider vs Super Sentai vs Godzilla
The Yugioh Duel Monsters Splatfest: Yugi/Atem and Dark Magician vs Seto Kaiba and Blue Eyes White Dragon vs Joey and Red Eyes Black Dragon
The Yugioh GX Splatfest: Jaden and Elemental HERO Neos vs Chazz and Armed Dragon LV 10 vs Jesse and Rainbow Dragon
The Yugioh 5Ds Splatfest: Yusei and Stardust Dragon vs Jack and Red Dragon Archfiend vs Crow and Black-Winged Dragon
The Yugioh Zexal Splatfest: Yuma and Utopia vs Shark and Shark Drake vs Kite and Galaxy Eyes Photon Dragon
The Yugioh Arc-V Splatfest: Yuya and Odd Eyes Pendulum Dragon vs Declan and D/D/D Doom King Armageddon vs Gong and Superheavy Samurai Big Benkai
The Yugioh Vrains Splatfest: Playmaker and Decode Talker vs Soulburner and Salamangreat Heatleo vs Varis and Borreload Dragon
The Sonic Splatfest: Sonic vs Tails vs Knuckles
The other Sonic Splatfest: Sonic vs Shadow vs Silver
The Bakugan Generation Splatfest: Bakugan Battle Brawlers vs Bakugan Battle Planet vs Bakugan Gen 3
The Skylanders Splatfest: Spyro‘s Adventure vs Giants vs Swap Force
The other Skylanders Splatfest: Trap Team vs Superchargers vs Imaginators
The Transformers Splatfest: Optimus prime vs Bumblebee vs Grimlock
The other Transformers Splatfest: Megatron vs Starscream vs Soundwave
The TMNT Generation Splatfest: TMNT 1987 vs TMNT 2012 vs ROTTMNT
The Beyblade Generation Splatfest: Beyblade vs Beyblade Metal Fusion vs Beyblade Burst
The Ben 10 Generation Splatfest: Ben 10 Classic vs Ben 10 Alien Force/Ultimate Alien vs Ben 10 Omniverse
The Lego original themes Splatfest: Ninjago vs Chima vs Nexo Knights
The Hot Wheels Splatfest: Hot Wheels Acceleracers vs Hot Wheels Battle Force 5 vs Team Hot Wheels and many more including special themed weapons gears music gamemodes and many more
@@Anonymous-bi5pv do you have any questions?
People joining Shiver’s team just to throw was a real thing. I had so many matches where players wouldn’t leave spawn or would quit playing the last 30 seconds of a game.
I know that I don't know all of the lore and dialogue, and that I'm not from Japan and as such don't know the culture, but the popularity of Shiver over Frye in the last splatfest might be partially explained by a previous Japanese splatfest; Boke vs Tsukkomi. This pitted, according to the translation by inkepedia, the funny person archetype against the deadpan archetype in a style of Japanese comedy apparently called Manzai... Given the traditional Japanese theming of Deep Cut and Splatsville, and what might be a similar dynamic between the characters in the English localization, it might be that there is an aspect of the characters that is lost in translation, and that is what gets Shiver some of her supposed large popularity in Japan...
I have no real issue with Frye's design apart from personally feeling her forehead is a little big (just my personal feeling, not a bad design though, especially given her design inspirations), I just don't think she's as interesting to me as Big Man or Shiver. I don't hate her. She's fun. She is nice. Just not my favorite idol out of the 3. And I liked Marina, she was smart, clever, nicer than Pearl. I always though she was more popular honestly.
She is
Her design is a big issue. Give her bangs and a nice pair of Js and you’ll see her compete with shiver.
@@agarcia6770I mean she has a south Asian appeal where big foreheads are seen as beautiful. So I wouldnt add bangs personally, rather a cultural headpiece
@@mochicaca123 that works too. Anything to cover her forehead….even a Hidden leaf headband would work
Funny how the Meme team had the best Pro score.
Hmm. I really liked Marina as a character in Splatoon 2, but I know people who trash talk Pearl fans for being racist and not like Marina, AND some Pearl fans who only like pearl bc they don't like Marina (could have racist intent or could just be that she was too popular and the fans preferred the underdog)
@KenKnowsIt Nintendo direct is tomorrow, hopefully some Side Order Info 🙏
I really hate to say thing but, this was going to happen regardless. Shiver can be seen as the model minority myth. Frye went more cultural in appearance and to most people that isn’t palatable- big forehead, colorism, and certain ‘foreign’ characteristics that are not easily commodified, generic down, and are niched can be seen as off putting. Shiver has the more commodified features- her face is more of that of kpop, she has that hit of Japanese that is well love for its fans, chest bandages that slap with the those gen Z folks, and has that red eye shadow that is seen everywhere from Manwha to Genshin. These are digestible traits that people don’t have to put effort in putting together because it is palatable. That is just how it is.
Hard disagree with making splatfests region locked again that will 100% not deal with the issue with frye being less popular cause in the clout era of splatoon 2, the most popular team would almost always win every category in regional splatfests. They just need to make better three teamed splatfests lol
I chose Frye since she seems like she could be a really good leader :3
3 Idols do not work at all imo
6:02 amazing vid i completely agree but EVERYTIME HARDRER COMES ON SCREEN I CANT HELP BUT LAUGH
I have never participated in a splatfest ( just got the game like 2 weeks ago) (its alot of fun :)), but I don't understand why people are surprised that the Japanese prefer the idol based on Japanese culture? Like for me I am an Italian-American, I'd love to play an Italian in Overwatch, or Valorant, or whatever. But they never have them and the one time they did (Rainbow 6 Siege) I loved playing her. So when faced with the option for the Japanese to pick between a Japanese idol and a non-Japanese idol. I think the answer would be obvious. Personally, I like big man, hes chill~
the racist arguments kinda fell off when you realize Marina won most of her fest is splat 2
That's not how that works. People found her attractive and people think frye is ugly for her cultural features. I understand not seeing the difference but there is something there sadly.
@@KenKnowsItHaving a huge forehead isn’t a cultural feature. If her hairline would be normal, I don’t think she‘d be that unpopular honestly
@@KenKnowsItDidn't people literally mock Pearl for having a big forehead at one point?