Daniel, Sara and John are joined by the Zen teacher and mediator Diane Musho Hamilton as guest teachers on Sensemaking 101. Since we began teaching this last year, this has become one of the most rewarding and fascinating things we have ever done, putting into practice many of the practices and techniques we talk about on the channel. If you’re interested in joining us, you can read more about it here. It begins next week and is almost 90% full at the time of writing. We don’t want finances to be a block to anyone joining this journey, so if you feel like you want to join but can’t afford it, you can apply for a concession with this form: forms.gle/Kc5FGAhgEZcUNuKx9 We make nearly all our content available for free, our courses are how we've chosen to share the skills and techniques we talk about and to support Rebel Wisdom.
The internet is basically free as intended, only true capitalists are incapable to understand liberalism and how the idea of free, is a human rights idea to intelligence. The colonial is of extracting more and justifying this extraction of intelligence by capture as a product, yet air and words has no product or quality, as only those that are equipped to understand, will be available to understand. The job of an intellectual is a responsibility to share, not to harbour or filter out possibilities by a monetized measure of difference. Margret Thatcher did a number on UK education, to reduce its availability by monetization, by learning history, this simple reduction can be reversed as today we have the internet of things as a future classroom that moderators can again be more integral of capability, than purchase and cheapness of speed without presence. The planet can not be a purchase, just as debt can have no returns, only extraction. (nearly $300 trillion *carbon dollars, divided by earths population)
I know Daniel Schmachtenberger is busy doing real and important projects, such as consilience, but I wish he would have a podcast. Nothing over saturating but topics he wants to discuss in depth. Even if it was just few times per month.
@@christinalaw3375 “anti vax conspiracy theory” - aka, the alternative narrative to the mainstream, one sided, big-Pharma sponsored propaganda campaign that has been driven down our throats. The other side of the debate where they mainly talk about infringements on liberty and freedoms as presented by the establishment roll out of vax passports/mass surveillance… But yeah, you do you… enjoy those weaponised terms you’ve been told to use.
"I am not apart from life. Regardless of the great establishments built upon your individuality and all that is associated with you personally--your body, your ideas, your difficulties, your specific forms of expression.... you are not apart from life. This is so obvious if you look at yourself with simplicity and realize that the very makeup of your body, the very fabric of your physical life, is completely made of what life is in the physical... What is mysterious is your mind. It seems to be a distinct point of understanding, but it is much a part of life as your physical fabric.... Here your uniqueness [your individuality] is a great asset and a source of joy, not a source of painful alienation...of painful judgment against yourself or others. This distinction does not elevate you above or place you below anyone else. It merely pinpoints the real purpose behind your individuality and its great promise for the future. You are here to express [life itself]." When you find this unique expression of Self, "you do not want to be separate anymore." (quotes taken from Steps to Knowledge, Marshall Vian Summers)
John Vervaeke has the most academic description of Spirit I’ve ever heard, and he continually sounds surprised that feels/sounds “religious.” You’ve got to love the man! 😂
If Vervaeke did do politics he would not fit in at all. Answers massive complex questions with precise and understandable language with powerful delivery and in a short amount of time.
That's a glib statement from the Emperor of the Known World, at the time it was written. And that's pretty much applicable to all the writings of Marcus Aurelius. He was the most privileged individual in a drastically pre-modern world, and pretty much none of that is applicable to the average person living today.
@@Pengalen wow… lighten up He had some great writings and quotes. People like to marvel at how timeless they often are, how they seem to still be applicable today. No need to piss on our bonfire! Besides, his name is cool as hell.
@@Pengalen besides, why so hard on the philosopher king? He could have just engaged in outright debauchery, looting and raping his way around the world, and yet he spent much time toying with the deeper questions. What more can you ask of a person who inherits the world empire? Would you honestly have done better?
@@DAN_ZEMAN It's not a matter of what I'm "asking" of him. It's the fact that he's promoting a particular philosophy, but he is literally the most powerful person in the world (which he inherited) so his adherence and espousal of a particular philosophy is not necessarily a recommendation of that philosophy. It's like a celebrity telling you this fruit juice made their life awesome, when their life was already awesome anyway.
Re: Daniel’s whole first couple minutes I’m pretty sure the type of sensemaking he’s talking about can only be undertaken by those who are neurologically predisposed for it. We’re not good at the whole “go along to get along” thing, which is the default for most of the population.
@@worldwidehappiness Not even. People who favor Intuition of any valence are a severe minority of the population (google says 25%), and only about half of those are extroverted intuitives. So 12.5% max.
@@Joeonline26 Hi. As someone who also has a psychology degree, I'd like to point out that the institutional bias against typology and towards OCEAN isn't really justified by anything, and is only held and perpetuated by people who know nothing about MBTI or typology generally. OCEAN is nothing more than a linguistic distillation of characteristics, and has zero theory behind it and very little use or explanatory power. Interestingly, the first four letters are also highly correlated with particular measures used in typology. OCEAN also has the enormous fault that it tends to derogate or pathologize normal human states.
@@Pengalen The google statistic is based on the old version of MBTI. Anyway, if you use function stacks, then it's the top two functions that count. So roughly half the population has N in the top two functions, and half of them would be extroverted N, i.e. 25%.
YT captioning before I turned it off had you talking about "scents making", David. Made my day. Before you start creating a stink I thought how in microcosm that is an example of accidental disinfo created by the tech itself. How much more can be done when designed to do so.
Interesting and valuable, thank you! I think Sara’s model of Context, Content and Concern can also be very useful when applied internally to analyse our own emotional reactions in conversations and particularly when exposed to “triggering” content. It reminds me of the process involved in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.
Oh "short film" = advertisment selling a course. Love Schmachtenberger and Vervaeke, they have so much to share, not so enthusiastic about RW packaging and promototion techniques.
Love this channel. Would love to Schmachtenberger comment on the views of guys like Steve Koonin, Patrick Moore etc. Moore seems like he may have a pretty big agenda, but raised a lot of interesting questions on Williamson’s podcast the other week
I liked what Sara Ness said. But I've been banging on about it in these comments all along. I've been saying that we should start with 1) contexts, 2) motivations, and 3) assumptions (although Sara mixes assumptions in with context). Regarding John Vervaeke, I see his idea of spiritual inspiration as being similar to therapy in that they both can give intense experiences, but they don't really make the person wise. It's just drama, and the conclusions amount to: one step forward, one step backward.
Drama is what can occasion one step forward towards wisdom knowing that it does not make you wise just opens the path is the second step. No stepping back on that path.
There are many areas were we can only have agency together. Boycotting Amazon is going to have a near null impact (if you are the only one doing it) Recreating an ethical amazon is A LOT of work and nearly doomed to failure as a solo endeavour 1 million customers creating an Amazon they would use for their needs designed ethically, could outcompete amazon (at least for those million) Much of my ideas happen on this level BUT nobody listens to those of us with the ideas but no platform (another problem to be solved on a larger scale) We leave the Meta up to governments and businesses the 2 entities that doom us to failure. We CAN impact issues on a large scale with relatively few of us.
Hi everyone, could someone help me understand what Vervaeke means when he says that in politics all that matters is the "propositional". He mentions the propositional again with Hegel. What does he mean by that?
my guess was that he was contrasting a practise of politics which is really just making proposals (a reduced set from propositions!) - it happens because the context they are working in is a locked-in bubble position which doesn't realise there are other ways of being or modes of existence than the one where the world is made up by our own labelling of it, so a politician can manage the world by relabelling it with their own (smaller) world of ideas, hence also John's dislike of ideology I imagine
Yes, I was shocked at how Daniel just brushed that aside in favour of just taking something that is experimental and for which the long term consequences are totally unknowable but will be down to the individual to deal with if something bad happens even through people are being literally forced to take it.
How I arrived at where I am: Pre 2019 I'd laugh at antivaxers. In 2020 everything became 'trust the science' TM. Now I live in Melbourne Australia and they will create a medical apartheid against the unvaccinated. Meanwhile my employee suffered a heart attack post Pfizer and I'm supposed to not question the safety of this vaccine. I have friends who are nurses who haven't had the jab either because they're seeing side effects TIA, blood clots, arithmias... and the governing body has issued them with gag notices so that can't speak out. Wtf? I'm supposed to go get this thing? Nah.
These guys will tell you something like this: “Sense-making, sense-making, word salad, sense making, word salad, word salad, sense making: trust the science!…” And if you still don’t trust your benevolent government they may caveat that with: “Sense making, sense making DANIEL SCHAMKTENBURGER SAID… sense making sense making, word salad, sense making… trust the science”. Ps. Daniel Andrew’s just looks and sounds like the last man on earth you’d want having any say in your life. I feel sorry for you guys there. They are like woke Bolsheviks on steroids. But hey, trust the science not your instincts. Makes perfect ‘sense’.
religon has not changed us. Our society is still at the time of Moses (an eye for an eye and an invisible jealous god) Media and politic give us new laws evry day and then they point out scapegoats that are punished. Nobody (almost) want to listen to this man that was so hocked on the old prophets that he gave all that he possesd to us (his life)
Jesus told us that we are gods, he forgot to tell us that we are satan too. We dominate our world to the extent that if we dont smarten up we will wipe ourself from existence
Rebel Wisdom: If you want a real cultural revolutionary who understands and knows how to act in the world with excellent conversational skills, you should Interview ex-GREENPEACE president Dr. Patrick Moore, yea?......... ALWAYS THINK "HUMAN COLONY" IN YOUR SENSEMAKING, be more organic and less mechanistic, yea? "EVERY WISH FULFILLED" E.T.
These guys reek of controlled opposition. Perhaps they inadvertently tow the establishment line. Maybe they’re just statists to the core. Who knows? Sense making, sense making, word salad. Daniel schmactenberger said “trust the sense making”, word salad.
I'm generally a very big fan of Daniel, but was very disappointed with his shallow answers about voting and the vaccination here. He seems to be advocating for going with your gut bias rather than actually trying to engage in sense making - wow.
My interpretation was more that he's saying a) you don't *need* to spend 100's of hours researching and b) whatever you choose, don't beat yourself up over it afterwards. It's a moment in time, you did what you thought was best, if it turned out shitty, see if you can learn anything and move on. As in "wear sunscreen"; your choices are half chance.
Also said there is not all the data you need to make the right decision. If you take the vaccine now, you know at least some data on how it will go about 10 months into the future. You have a little bit more info than before. If you were thinking this two months ago but got sick an died then that's where your gut instinct was wrong. I think it was like he was saying we are still in a situation where we have to make a gut instinct call.
Hard to learn if you're dead because you relied on your "gut" and decided rely on quack "remedies" you found on blogs instead of leaning on the findings of a majority of medical professionals recommending the covid vaccination based on careful study. Daniel made a very cynical statement that "even if you research, you'll probably just end up going with your gut in the end, anyway." This pretty much undercuts the whole point of sense-making, which I thought was his big cause. Same goes for voting: Trump lost by about 43K votes -- based on Daniel's cynical -- and highly privileged -- statement that "your vote for president probably doesn't matter anyway," more people will sit out the next election and we'll get another right-wing autocratic regime that further undercuts democracy. I stand by my point: These are sloppy, irresponsible statements by Daniel.
Humans *never* have all the data for any decision we make. We always need to rely on partial data. When we need to decide between two alternatives in a higher pressure situation, like Covid, we need to employ sense-making, which I thought was Daniel's whole schtick, right? So, on the one side, we have small debunked studies about the effectiveness of Ivermectin and on the other side, we have millions of people who have 5 months + of vaccination. Large, formal studies from places like Israel show that the vax is 88% effective at keeping you out of the hospital and 95% effective at preventing death. Yet within this context of highly asymmetrical data (in quality and quantity) Daniel appears to be advocating for "going with your gut." I imagine he might qualify this, but that's clearly how he comes across in this video.
My thoughts exactly. It is indeed shocking and disappointing that such a highly intelligent person can have such a massive blind spot but it does seem to be the case for educated and intelligent people in general. Throughout my life when there has ever been such conflict of opinion, I have almost always gone with the advice of those I feel are more intelligent than me but in the case of the vaccine I just cannot seem to be able to do that and intuitively I just feel something is so wrong. And I am not just using my gut to make come to this decision - there is hard data from government's around the world - just look at Israel compared to Sweden. Also watched people like Mike Yeadon and Robert Malone who are two of the most highly qualified people on the planet to give opinion on this subject. Ironically I hope I am wrong and they are right because the consequences of just unthinkable.
So Verarvake says that the holy spirit is basically non existent, and sort of mocks it, but then states that the type of revolution needed should be fashioned after the Christian revolution at the end of antiquity. lol Real brilliant.
@@CBMcKinley I'm just sick of all these so called intellectuals shitting on traditional Christianity, meanwhile reaping all the benefits of a culture that was created by it.
@@dr.hairbrain1486 yea! That culture built on oppression and extinction of so many indigenous people who by Christianity’s definition…were simple, ignorant and in need of saving. Something to be so very proud of.
@@digitalperson108 Bravo! Bravo! Amazing that you would reduce a religion to “killing of innocents”, how can you breathe up there from your perch? How ironically you have simplified the complex history of one of the most successful religions in the history of Earth, all while listening to a program that is discussing the complexity of sense-making. A channel built to discuss how to reduce polarization. (Hint: stop with the reductive morality. Good/Bad vs. complex interplay of humans). Bravo Digitial Person! You’re a gem.
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Daniel, Sara and John are joined by the Zen teacher and mediator Diane Musho Hamilton as guest teachers on Sensemaking 101. Since we began teaching this last year, this has become one of the most rewarding and fascinating things we have ever done, putting into practice many of the practices and techniques we talk about on the channel.
If you’re interested in joining us, you can read more about it here. It begins next week and is almost 90% full at the time of writing. We don’t want finances to be a block to anyone joining this journey, so if you feel like you want to join but can’t afford it, you can apply for a concession with this form: forms.gle/Kc5FGAhgEZcUNuKx9
We make nearly all our content available for free, our courses are how we've chosen to share the skills and techniques we talk about and to support Rebel Wisdom.
The internet is basically free as intended, only true capitalists are incapable to understand liberalism and how the idea of free, is a human rights idea to intelligence. The colonial is of extracting more and justifying this extraction of intelligence by capture as a product, yet air and words has no product or quality, as only those that are equipped to understand, will be available to understand.
The job of an intellectual is a responsibility to share, not to harbour or filter out possibilities by a monetized measure of difference.
Margret Thatcher did a number on UK education, to reduce its availability by monetization, by learning history, this simple reduction can be reversed as today we have the internet of things as a future classroom that moderators can again be more integral of capability, than purchase and cheapness of speed without presence.
The planet can not be a purchase, just as debt can have no returns, only extraction. (nearly $300 trillion *carbon dollars, divided by earths population)
I know Daniel Schmachtenberger is busy doing real and important projects, such as consilience, but I wish he would have a podcast. Nothing over saturating but topics he wants to discuss in depth. Even if it was just few times per month.
@@christinalaw3375 “anti vax conspiracy theory” - aka, the alternative narrative to the mainstream, one sided, big-Pharma sponsored propaganda campaign that has been driven down our throats. The other side of the debate where they mainly talk about infringements on liberty and freedoms as presented by the establishment roll out of vax passports/mass surveillance…
But yeah, you do you… enjoy those weaponised terms you’ve been told to use.
@@christinalaw3375 chill out, I can hear your screeching from here
"I am not apart from life. Regardless of the great establishments built upon your individuality and all that is associated with you personally--your body, your ideas, your difficulties, your specific forms of expression.... you are not apart from life. This is so obvious if you look at yourself with simplicity and realize that the very makeup of your body, the very fabric of your physical life, is completely made of what life is in the physical... What is mysterious is your mind. It seems to be a distinct point of understanding, but it is much a part of life as your physical fabric.... Here your uniqueness [your individuality] is a great asset and a source of joy, not a source of painful alienation...of painful judgment against yourself or others. This distinction does not elevate you above or place you below anyone else. It merely pinpoints the real purpose behind your individuality and its great promise for the future. You are here to express [life itself]." When you find this unique expression of Self, "you do not want to be separate anymore." (quotes taken from Steps to Knowledge, Marshall Vian Summers)
Thank you, Janice.
Thank you
John Vervaeke has the most academic description of Spirit I’ve ever heard, and he continually sounds surprised that feels/sounds “religious.”
You’ve got to love the man! 😂
BRILLIANT WORK... IF ONLY THIS COULD REACH MILLIONS AND THEY COULD UNDERSTAND
If Vervaeke did do politics he would not fit in at all. Answers massive complex questions with precise and understandable language with powerful delivery and in a short amount of time.
Excellent content coming out of this place. These conversations need to be louder.
Great to see this being discussed presently - exactly the questions I am asking myself
“Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one.” - Marcus Aurelius
That's a glib statement from the Emperor of the Known World, at the time it was written. And that's pretty much applicable to all the writings of Marcus Aurelius. He was the most privileged individual in a drastically pre-modern world, and pretty much none of that is applicable to the average person living today.
@@Pengalen wow… lighten up
He had some great writings and quotes. People like to marvel at how timeless they often are, how they seem to still be applicable today.
No need to piss on our bonfire!
Besides, his name is cool as hell.
@@Pengalen besides, why so hard on the philosopher king?
He could have just engaged in outright debauchery, looting and raping his way around the world, and yet he spent much time toying with the deeper questions. What more can you ask of a person who inherits the world empire? Would you honestly have done better?
@@DAN_ZEMAN It's not a matter of what I'm "asking" of him. It's the fact that he's promoting a particular philosophy, but he is literally the most powerful person in the world (which he inherited) so his adherence and espousal of a particular philosophy is not necessarily a recommendation of that philosophy. It's like a celebrity telling you this fruit juice made their life awesome, when their life was already awesome anyway.
Re: Daniel’s whole first couple minutes
I’m pretty sure the type of sensemaking he’s talking about can only be undertaken by those who are neurologically predisposed for it. We’re not good at the whole “go along to get along” thing, which is the default for most of the population.
Yes. I'd say it's similar to extroverted intuition in the MBTI personality system. About 1/4 of the population favour extroverted intuition.
@@worldwidehappiness Not even. People who favor Intuition of any valence are a severe minority of the population (google says 25%), and only about half of those are extroverted intuitives. So 12.5% max.
@@Joeonline26 Hi. As someone who also has a psychology degree, I'd like to point out that the institutional bias against typology and towards OCEAN isn't really justified by anything, and is only held and perpetuated by people who know nothing about MBTI or typology generally. OCEAN is nothing more than a linguistic distillation of characteristics, and has zero theory behind it and very little use or explanatory power. Interestingly, the first four letters are also highly correlated with particular measures used in typology. OCEAN also has the enormous fault that it tends to derogate or pathologize normal human states.
@@Pengalen The google statistic is based on the old version of MBTI. Anyway, if you use function stacks, then it's the top two functions that count. So roughly half the population has N in the top two functions, and half of them would be extroverted N, i.e. 25%.
@@priapulida the model has predictive power, but not explanatory power.
YT captioning before I turned it off had you talking about "scents making", David.
Made my day. Before you start creating a stink I thought how in microcosm that is an example of accidental disinfo created by the tech itself. How much more can be done when designed to do so.
Thankyou rebel wisdom 💜
When I get some extra cash, I'd love to join these discussions. Thank you.
Interesting and valuable, thank you! I think Sara’s model of Context, Content and Concern can also be very useful when applied internally to analyse our own emotional reactions in conversations and particularly when exposed to “triggering” content. It reminds me of the process involved in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.
Very exciting. Thankyou for sharing this.
Glad I signed up. Excited to be a part of this.
It's interesting that this project can be so obtuse on the Ivermectin debate, but still be attractive due to these kinds of videos with great people.
The Ego has to sacrifice its middle-class identity before anything transcendent can occur.
One cannot become strong if one accepts weakness.
Oh "short film" = advertisment selling a course.
Love Schmachtenberger and Vervaeke, they have so much to share, not so enthusiastic about RW packaging and promototion techniques.
Love this channel. Would love to Schmachtenberger comment on the views of guys like Steve Koonin, Patrick Moore etc. Moore seems like he may have a pretty big agenda, but raised a lot of interesting questions on Williamson’s podcast the other week
I liked what Sara Ness said. But I've been banging on about it in these comments all along. I've been saying that we should start with 1) contexts, 2) motivations, and 3) assumptions (although Sara mixes assumptions in with context). Regarding John Vervaeke, I see his idea of spiritual inspiration as being similar to therapy in that they both can give intense experiences, but they don't really make the person wise. It's just drama, and the conclusions amount to: one step forward, one step backward.
Drama is what can occasion one step forward towards wisdom knowing that it does not make you wise just opens the path is the second step. No stepping back on that path.
There are many areas were we can only have agency together.
Boycotting Amazon is going to have a near null impact (if you are the only one doing it)
Recreating an ethical amazon is A LOT of work and nearly doomed to failure as a solo endeavour
1 million customers creating an Amazon they would use for their needs designed ethically, could outcompete amazon (at least for those million)
Much of my ideas happen on this level BUT nobody listens to those of us with the ideas but no platform (another problem to be solved on a larger scale)
We leave the Meta up to governments and businesses the 2 entities that doom us to failure.
We CAN impact issues on a large scale with relatively few of us.
Just an idea.. crowdsourcing? I like your thinking.
Looking forward to this
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Hi everyone, could someone help me understand what Vervaeke means when he says that in politics all that matters is the "propositional".
He mentions the propositional again with Hegel.
What does he mean by that?
my guess was that he was contrasting a practise of politics which is really just making proposals (a reduced set from propositions!) - it happens because the context they are working in is a locked-in bubble position which doesn't realise there are other ways of being or modes of existence than the one where the world is made up by our own labelling of it, so a politician can manage the world by relabelling it with their own (smaller) world of ideas, hence also John's dislike of ideology I imagine
Check out Yuval Harari and “hackable” humans.
How about CRT being taught in schools. It's political
Let’s steal the culture! *proceeds to go on social media and get limbicly hijacked
Amplification by way of social medium. It's not any LOUDER but, its still noise... I know nothing. Maybe only this: a quiet mind is capable
What about the inability to make sense of ivermectin evidence?
Yes, I was shocked at how Daniel just brushed that aside in favour of just taking something that is experimental and for which the long term consequences are totally unknowable but will be down to the individual to deal with if something bad happens even through people are being literally forced to take it.
“But the vaccine is safe, and and the vaccine is safe and sense making sense making word salad, trust the sense making”
How I arrived at where I am: Pre 2019 I'd laugh at antivaxers. In 2020 everything became 'trust the science' TM. Now I live in Melbourne Australia and they will create a medical apartheid against the unvaccinated. Meanwhile my employee suffered a heart attack post Pfizer and I'm supposed to not question the safety of this vaccine. I have friends who are nurses who haven't had the jab either because they're seeing side effects TIA, blood clots, arithmias... and the governing body has issued them with gag notices so that can't speak out. Wtf? I'm supposed to go get this thing? Nah.
These guys will tell you something like this:
“Sense-making, sense-making, word salad, sense making, word salad, word salad, sense making: trust the science!…”
And if you still don’t trust your benevolent government they may caveat that with:
“Sense making, sense making DANIEL SCHAMKTENBURGER SAID… sense making sense making, word salad, sense making… trust the science”.
Ps. Daniel Andrew’s just looks and sounds like the last man on earth you’d want having any say in your life. I feel sorry for you guys there. They are like woke Bolsheviks on steroids.
But hey, trust the science not your instincts. Makes perfect ‘sense’.
You do know where the word FILM comes from, don't you?
religon has not changed us. Our society is still at the time of Moses (an eye for an eye and an invisible jealous god) Media and politic give us new laws evry day and then they point out scapegoats that are punished. Nobody (almost) want to listen to this man that was so hocked on the old prophets that he gave all that he possesd to us (his life)
Jesus told us that we are gods, he forgot to tell us that we are satan too. We dominate our world to the extent that if we dont smarten up we will wipe ourself from existence
Rebel Wisdom: If you want a real cultural revolutionary who understands and knows how to act in the world with excellent conversational skills, you should Interview ex-GREENPEACE president Dr. Patrick Moore, yea?......... ALWAYS THINK "HUMAN COLONY" IN YOUR SENSEMAKING, be more organic and less mechanistic, yea? "EVERY WISH FULFILLED" E.T.
These guys reek of controlled opposition. Perhaps they inadvertently tow the establishment line. Maybe they’re just statists to the core.
Who knows?
Sense making, sense making, word salad. Daniel schmactenberger said “trust the sense making”, word salad.
ALISON MCDOWELL
Y'all are completely divorced from the experiences of real people.
engage Santa mode...
I'm generally a very big fan of Daniel, but was very disappointed with his shallow answers about voting and the vaccination here. He seems to be advocating for going with your gut bias rather than actually trying to engage in sense making - wow.
My interpretation was more that he's saying a) you don't *need* to spend 100's of hours researching and b) whatever you choose, don't beat yourself up over it afterwards. It's a moment in time, you did what you thought was best, if it turned out shitty, see if you can learn anything and move on. As in "wear sunscreen"; your choices are half chance.
Also said there is not all the data you need to make the right decision. If you take the vaccine now, you know at least some data on how it will go about 10 months into the future. You have a little bit more info than before. If you were thinking this two months ago but got sick an died then that's where your gut instinct was wrong. I think it was like he was saying we are still in a situation where we have to make a gut instinct call.
Hard to learn if you're dead because you relied on your "gut" and decided rely on quack "remedies" you found on blogs instead of leaning on the findings of a majority of medical professionals recommending the covid vaccination based on careful study. Daniel made a very cynical statement that "even if you research, you'll probably just end up going with your gut in the end, anyway." This pretty much undercuts the whole point of sense-making, which I thought was his big cause. Same goes for voting: Trump lost by about 43K votes -- based on Daniel's cynical -- and highly privileged -- statement that "your vote for president probably doesn't matter anyway," more people will sit out the next election and we'll get another right-wing autocratic regime that further undercuts democracy. I stand by my point: These are sloppy, irresponsible statements by Daniel.
Humans *never* have all the data for any decision we make. We always need to rely on partial data. When we need to decide between two alternatives in a higher pressure situation, like Covid, we need to employ sense-making, which I thought was Daniel's whole schtick, right? So, on the one side, we have small debunked studies about the effectiveness of Ivermectin and on the other side, we have millions of people who have 5 months + of vaccination. Large, formal studies from places like Israel show that the vax is 88% effective at keeping you out of the hospital and 95% effective at preventing death. Yet within this context of highly asymmetrical data (in quality and quantity) Daniel appears to be advocating for "going with your gut." I imagine he might qualify this, but that's clearly how he comes across in this video.
My thoughts exactly. It is indeed shocking and disappointing that such a highly intelligent person can have such a massive blind spot but it does seem to be the case for educated and intelligent people in general. Throughout my life when there has ever been such conflict of opinion, I have almost always gone with the advice of those I feel are more intelligent than me but in the case of the vaccine I just cannot seem to be able to do that and intuitively I just feel something is so wrong. And I am not just using my gut to make come to this decision - there is hard data from government's around the world - just look at Israel compared to Sweden. Also watched people like Mike Yeadon and Robert Malone who are two of the most highly qualified people on the planet to give opinion on this subject. Ironically I hope I am wrong and they are right because the consequences of just unthinkable.
You can’t even say sensemaking anymore! Is there anything decoding the gurus can’t ruin?
Not familiar with decoding the gurus, what have they ruined?
@@cvorwell everything
Haha, why does Daniel always look like he just got up from a nap?
HAHAHA I think maybe he has XD
I gotta stop being such a jerk.
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So Verarvake says that the holy spirit is basically non existent, and sort of mocks it, but then states that the type of revolution needed should be fashioned after the Christian revolution at the end of antiquity. lol Real brilliant.
Quite the paradox, isn't it? God works in mysterious ways 💛
@@CBMcKinley I'm just sick of all these so called intellectuals shitting on traditional Christianity, meanwhile reaping all the benefits of a culture that was created by it.
@@dr.hairbrain1486 yea! That culture built on oppression and extinction of so many indigenous people who by Christianity’s definition…were simple, ignorant and in need of saving.
Something to be so very proud of.
@@digitalperson108 Bravo! Bravo!
Amazing that you would reduce a religion to “killing of innocents”, how can you breathe up there from your perch? How ironically you have simplified the complex history of one of the most successful religions in the history of Earth, all while listening to a program that is discussing the complexity of sense-making. A channel built to discuss how to reduce polarization. (Hint: stop with the reductive morality. Good/Bad vs. complex interplay of humans).
Bravo Digitial Person! You’re a gem.
As a non Christian, I would have thought Vervaekes validation of the efficacy of the Christian way would be cause for celebration.
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