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I was in the hospital for 10 weeks and only payed 460US and was in for bacterial menhingitis, so my aprox cost in sweden if I had payed what it really cost itwould have been about 60k (excluding tests and op).
On july 16th the doctors found a tumor in my brain. I was on vacation in Gothenburg (I live in Stockholm). So I was flown to stockholm in an ambulance plane, had a proper MRI and not a week later my brain surgery was done. The lab reports came in and it was just a grade 2 so they could allow my head to heal before starting 6 weeks of radiation. I have nothing but respect for the swedish health care system right now, everything has been moving fast enough but also, they haven't rushed things unneccessarily. When there was time to make it all a little less painful and stressful, they gave me that time. So far, I must say everything has gone very, very smoothly.
I’m glad to hear you’re doing ok. Worth noting is that we’ve got the best neurosurgeons in the world together with New York and London. I myself have had about 20 neurosurgeries in total, seven were brain surgeries in 2019.
Meningioma? Went through that two years ago. Wasn’t malignant thank God so no chemo. Six weeks of radiation that was almost an experience worse than the brain tumor surgery. Glad you are well and to hear you had excellent neurosurgeons and care in Sweden.
It's very interesting to read that! I hope the people who wrote here about tumors or other health problems are alright today and in future. - Krya på er och allt gott! I was born in Berlin/Germany and I've been living here in southern Sweden for 21 years. I really like Sweden but I'm afraid of the health care service. Maybe, I should search for an extra private insurance and I already thought about leaving the country, now that I'm getting older. I hear so much about problems in the Swedish health service. Earlier I thought that the German health care service was better, but I guess it is not better anymore today. My family-members in Germany are telling the same stories like I hear here in Sweden. Another problem is that even here in Sweden, sometimes people don't get any benefits when they are sick and can't work. The social security authority "Försäkringskassan" says that they are not sick enough to get sick pay and the municipality ("kommun") says that they can't get benefit/income support either because they can't work: "Moment 22". I'm always afraid that someone from my family or I will become seriously sick. And nowadays, I also have to be afraid that we won't get the medical help we need and not any benefits: Sick and homeless. - That kind of society we have in a country like Sweden or Germany today.
ER visit with MRI test cost my husband $3000. It is crazy that we pay $300 each a month for insurance and then the hospital is still going to cost thousands. I think Sweden is doing it correctly
Random swedish dude here. It certainly feels that way to me. It's a lot less stressfull not needed to worry about healthcare, university tuition or getting layed off of work. I'm middle class, I make enough money that I got a nice house 2 years ago, I save and invest for both my kids and for myself as well. Though neither of us can really compare systems :P.
I pay about $100 for a kidney transplantation and food for two weeks in hospital. Including transport to and back home and Uppsala, about 200 km or so. I did go home two days early, because I wanted home, and no. It shouldn't cost any more. That is about 10 years ago. I have expensive medication which cost about $1000-$2000 for a month. I pay about $200 per year for that.
Going to the ER in sweden isn’t a problem for most swedes, even if you’re unemployed. The problem in Sweden is going to the dentist! That’s were the biggest health issue lies in Sweden. It’s not necessarily super expensive to go for a yearly check, but if you have a problem it will cost you a fortune... :/
Four hour groin hernia surgery, with after care and pain medication. Would have cost 200kr, but that procedure bumped me up to the limit and I only had to pay 150kr. Once healed I got 6 sessions of physical therapy for my back (that had suffered enormously during the period of un-operated hernia), that cost 0kr. After the surgery, due to me having a physically demanding job, I was on 100% sick leave for 6 weeks, during which I got 80% of my salary. I have no healthcare insurance, and I pay about 35% income tax. -You just can't beat this.
One thing to mention is that as a wealthy person you can still pay a private clinic the same way as you do in USA to get things fast. You can also travel to a private clinic in a foreign country if you have the money. No privileges are taken away from rich people.
Americans tend to forget that they are still the richest nation on earth and most of employed population from US have the annual income that is at least 3-5x bigger than that of Scandinavian countries. And keep in mind that Scandinavia is considered rich for European standards. Yet, their average annual income would be considered poor in US.
Dr Phil The Walrus Instead of comparing income, compare living standard. And compare median instead of average. The ultra rich in USA will pull up the average with a large amount.
@@jensolsson9666 sure we can compare that as well. And US will still beat the crap out of any other country in the world. Don't mention only rich people, an average Joe is also alot wealthier than average Sven or Hans.
Dr Phil The Walrus what I mean is do not look only at the income and money in the bank but also look at cost of living and need for a economic buffer. Things like helth care and social security you need to solve yourself in USA and in Sweden it is financed by taxes. And for example because of tax financed daycare Swedish households have two incomes. Also minimum salary for a 18year old store employe in Sweden 13 dollar a hour. This is because of strong unions in Sweden.
@söder bröder really? You swedes literally handed out your country to muslim migrants who will soon have more rights than yourselves. You already have more no-go zones than any US city. And you have the audacity to talk about US crimes? Lol. At least migrants who come to USA come here to work and contribute to society, so they are more than welcome. And multiculturalism does work in USA, whereas it sure doesn't work in Sweden and other parts of EU. And that comes from anti-Trump liberal btw
I paid 300skr in total to have an emergency replacement of a heart-valve that ruptured.'I might have been one of those who got to go ahead of you in the line.Sorry 'bout that.
@@AndrewAustin I'm curious, how much does these health insurances cost every month in the US? I know there are different costs depending on state, company, medical condition, age etc. And I heard that even if you pay full price for maximum "protection" it still may not cover every medical care/treatment/medicine from the insurance. But what is the average cost a month?
@@holamoco "Average cost a month" isn't really a thing, since it varies by an INSANE amount. www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-average-health-insurance-premium-4586358 I know that personally, my family has a pretty expensive one, and I still am only allowed one blood test a year, otherwise we have to pay more for it. That's really bad when you have a vitamin deficiency that needs to be monitored.. I also know that many cannot afford health insurance. Hell, my best friend is in college now (she got a full ride because of her grades and low socioeconomic status), but she lived in a trailer. No health insurance. She got bitten by a cat and was freaking out because she couldn't afford the over $150 to visit the doctor. Luckily my mom was able to diagnose her and call in medicine.. but very few people are that lucky. People like to think of the US as a rich nation, but that's not necessarily true. The billionaires raise the average income levels quite a bit.
Yep and for dentistry appointments there are similar high cost protection that whilst not making visits free drastically reduce costs. I can't remember the limits but something around 500 $ / 4500 kr per year and then high cost starts kicking in. I recently went to the dentist 5 or 6 times for work that needed to be done and what could of cost me 3000-4000 $ ended up somewhere closer to 1500 $.
@@jonatanramsesvahlberg8492 Yes, I can´t even imagine the stress level for people who are already sick in some way, to need to worry about their economy as well.
After living in Sweden for 2 months I am loving it here. To sum it up for the educational and medical system, it seems like the overall theme is ' xxxx should be available to everyone, not just for the privileged (like in the US) '
@John Doe We do! Especially alcohol and unhealthy food. A beer out on a bar will cost you about 10 dollars, so its not just us swedes who pay. . Export, import. Everything is heavily taxes so it doesnt fall on 'the average swede's shoulders'. I see that you type the same comment over and over to every comment you respond. "So you enjoy paying the worlds highest taxes", i pay 31%. "Rich-mans-taxes" is 50%+, maybe you should look up what you are talking about. I do not think for a second that you are a millionarie, so you wouldnt be "paying the worlds highest taxes" anyway so why be upset about it? You're upset because you deep down understand what a glorious system it is compared to "rich shall forever be rich no matter what"-mentality you guys have in US, especially since you arent a millionarie.
@John Doe Sweden do have one of the highest "combined taxes" in the world, but not everything is taxed, thats a lie. Even right wing idiots working for "Nomad Capitalist" knows and wrote that when they placed Swe at #1..! Reading ur comments u clearly repeat urself and dont stay true to neither facts nor what the taxmoney has done for Swe. But thats ok, i wish u well anyway. Ull need it. :-) "...its not easy being green..."
@John Doe Absolut inte optimalt nej, men har vi någonsin haft det? "Hälften av kommunerna ligger minus", det är väl ändå ganska solklart varför.. Den större delen av de pengarna spenderas inte på oss svenskar som den borde göras. Tar du bort alla utgifter som går till flyktingarna så är det inte alls så illa ställt som du vill få till det.
@@nesta8273 ""So you enjoy paying the worlds highest taxes", i pay 31%." NO you don't. You pay about 54%, you as an employe just don't get to see the other 23% as the employer does the transation for you, by law.
I work part time at a ER in Sweden so it’s really interesting to hear this. I’m glad to hear that your experience weren’t a negative one. As a side note for anyone that interested, health care in Sweden doesn’t cost anything for people under the age of 20 and above the age of 85.
John Doe I tried to word it right but I guess I didn’t, I meant that they don’t pay the standard fee (up to the limit at 1150 kr a year). But yeah. Taxes are unfortunately a thing even in Sweden.
Okey jag ska inte svara på fler meddelanden när jag sitter på tåget på vägen hem, jag bara rör till det.😂 Priserna skiljer sig mellan landskapen, det jag sa gäller specifikt i Skåne. Hade du gått till akuten här hade det inte kostat dig något, å andra sidan kostar det 400 kr för någon som betalar.
A relative moved to the USA and married. His wife was studied at the time and couldn't afford health insurance, and she got sick. She ended up in the ER for 5 days, which cost them $50,000. They ended up moving to Sweden a few years later.
You need to restructure the whole system ! Biggest problem is that you have lobbyists and medicine prices that are way to expensive ! Actually trump changed some of this but biden changed it back so well good luck with that i guess..
@@bentbentsen4113 what about taking 20 % of your military buget, and putting that amount for healthcare? Or simply break already existing systems and start from scratch?
@Riley Frost check my question above. To me it seems like the american system is more expensive, if you plan on getting 1-2 kids it is a lot more expensive in total.
Just a point about the long queues compared to the US. It is certainly true that the queues are longer here. But we still have private ERs here in Scandinavia with non-existent wait times. And treatment there is still dirt-cheap compared to out-of-plan treatment in the US. The prices of medications and medical supplies are regulated, so you only pay the actual cost of the supplies plus the labour cost, so it really isn't that expensive. So we can still pay to see the best doctors and skip the lines if we have the means, overall we have more freedom in our choices than in the US
My sister was diagnosed with cancer while living in the United States. She was neither poor nor rich, rather ordinary middle class. When she became ill, she received hardly any sickness benefits and her insurance meant that she had to pay up to $ 3000 before she got 80% of the cost covered by the insurance. At the same time, she had to continue to pay $ 300 a month for the insurance to apply. In addition, the insurance company would have to approve her doctor's visits before she could see a doctor or undergo treatment. Trying to provide for three kids on her own at the same time without the help from my parents she would never have made it financially. In Sweden, her medical care and all medicines combined would have cost her about $ 250 without anyone other than the doctors having intervened if or what care she needed. The Swedish system is definitely better than the US one. The money shouldn’t be an issue, we all get sick at one time or another. The last months of your life shouldn’t be about struggling with money and worrying about your kids financial future because you have to pay outrageous medical bills.
I'd say all of America (North and South but perhaps excluding Canada) is where the rich can have all the greatest things in life, but if you aren't rich, your life will be a much greater struggle as an American compared to a European. Just my impression as a Swede who's lived several years in Brazil.
Your sister chose to have a high deductible. You can get a deductible of $0 and everything is paid for, but you are going to pay a lot for that, or you need to be working for a business fulltime (not McDonald's, grocery stores, Starbucks, waitress, etc). There is also cancer insurance that is cheap. My dad had cancer and he had a $500 deductible and had to pay for 0% of hospital bills. My dad also had a cancer insurance. My dad paid $0 for the deductible. SInce there my dad didnt have to pay for treatment he was actually paid for having cancer. My dad had the worst kind of brain cancer a person could have so he had a buttload of money being paid back to him. The cancer insurance made it so he could pay the mortgage, pay for health insurance, support my mom brother and I, pay for all utilities, car repairs, etc.
@@jessicaely2521, It's not that we can't have private insurances. Most of us have, but I think that we sometimes are a bit lazy about those. We are spoiled by the system, and pay our extra insurance, not a specific health insurance, called "Home insurance", which sometimes can include an extra health part, above traveling insurance that is a health insurance in case of illness abroad, but don't read it thoroughly, and therefore miss money we were entitled. We sign an insurance, in case of fire, burglary etc in our homes, but don't read what else it covers.
Great video man. We do have a fastlane in Sweden by having an healt insurance. My company have one for me so I don't have to wait to get a treatment or see a doctor. Have an amazing weekend, Andreas 🇸🇪
My husband, an Englishman, was diagnosed last year right about this time with bladder cancer. In the last year, he has had 2 surgeries, 6 weeks of chemotherapy, lots of very regular check-ups and twice had 2 procedures to remove small growths while in for check-ups. Total cost to us for all of the procedures out of our pocket was under $200. Plus the cost for him to travel to and from the hospital when he could not drive was free.
Andrew, I appreciate you sharing all of this info. I'm looking forward to visiting Sweden to see if I can see myself living there. Not just the healthcare, but the quality of life seems to be much better than the states. Thank you again!
Few Swedes know this, but Sweden also have agreements with some countries that Swedes, whom only going to stay abroad for three months, will get they hospital visits paid by the government. When living in Melbourne (Australia), I got the advice that I should grab a cab to the hospital because the ambulance would cost around AUD1000.
I went to an ER in Sweden (Söder) with an concussion, every nurse on the way said I need an X-ray, after waiting for a couple of hours (half a day), repeatedly forgetting where I was and how I got there because of the concussion, I got to see the doctor who decided to do nothing no X-ray only a brochure about concussions and told me to come back in 6 months if things haven’t improved, and from what I’ve read it’s crucial to get an x-ray while the concussion is fresh if treatment would be needed. I don’t know why he refused to take an X-ray, his explanation didn’t make sense, maybe he thought it was a waste of tax money but I would happily pay for it myself but not everyone has that option in Sweden. I’ve had have many bad experiences with Swedish healthcare but many in my family have good experiences, it can be great sometimes and terrible sometimes. I seems you have to keep nagging until you receive treatment.
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American here. It's true that many Americans do not have medical insurance but most people do. I am considered middle class and my employer offers a good insurance plan. Perhaps I am lucky? My wife recently had to be treated for cancer but we never paid a penny for any of her medical bills which totaled over $200,000. America's health care system can certainly be better but I think it is not realistic to think that the Swedish system would magically work in America. The countries are so different in size and demographics. A lot of people here in America eat poorly and don't take care of themselves. Treating millions of morbidly obese people alone would cost hundreds of billions. We need to get that under control before we can even think of providing a free system.
My friend has had a liver transplant, numerous medications from the liver being rejected at first and on top of that is now dealing with a non-lethal cancer. All meds, and just about anything that he needs to survive costs him ~150 euro per year. One of his meds costs approx 150 euro for a months pills, imagine if he had to pay for every single medication he needed. In strong language you could say its "thinning out the citizens that arent wanted" by not providing healthcare to those that cant afford it.
One reason why the waiting time for doctors in Sweden is so long is because doctors have to do so much administrative work. One of the most important problems in US healthcare is that the same care costs much more in the US than in Sweden for the one who actually pays (The Swedish state or the American insurance company / own wallet). American healthcare is not cost effective.
@@anderi1977 was it emergency surgery? My mother in law has been waiting for like 18 months for a knee surgery (joint pain but not life threatening) now.
I remember a story that I read a few weeks ago, where an older couple in the united states committed suicide (the man shot his wife and then himself) simply because the cost of the medical care they needed at that age was so high that they couldn't afford it
There are private clinics here in Sweden so you can bypass the public healthcare system if you have the money as well. Its not that common though, our general healthcare is good enough for everyone. Could it be better, of course.. but in comparison to other nations, I'm pretty happy to be a swede
According to Harvard Medical School 65,000 Americans die each year who cannot afford to access medical care. My mother when through bankruptcy when she got sick and lost everything. I did not seek medical treatment for Covid because my deductible is $6,000 per year and I could not afford it. This is by design. If an insurance corporation makes you stop and rethink medical treatment because of prohibitive cost then they will avoid paying their share for your medical treatment . Then they are only in the insurance premium collection business.
No, that's wrong. Each landsting (county) decide for themselves what the fee should be. The purpose of the fee is to discourage unnecessary visits to the medical system. If it was completely free many people would visit the doctor just for having the common cold.
Still, no-one needs to die without getting the care they need. We pay when we get there and then the rest of the care, that day and for years if you need that amount of care, comes out of our taxes and you don't have to go without. Pretty darn good if you compare to the US where countless of people die not being able to go to the doctor or buy their medicines. And still you beat your chest and think your the mightiest country in the world. Very odd.
True about that you have to force the doctors, at times, to get help. They tried to send me home when I was in labor and open 9 cm (because they couldn’t detect any contractions). I was so gone from the pains, but luckily my sister was there to tell them that it was crazy to send me home when I couldn’t even walk and 2 hours later the baby was born. And my husband because it was “just a little stomach ache”. When he got angry and said that he demandad an x-ray they saw that his appendix had burst and 30 minutes later had to get medications because he’s fever was too high and an operation.
I got diagnosed with ADD and the medication costs like 1200-1400 SEK per year and after that, its free. Basically, i get like 3 bottles myself and then its all free for a year. same with my visits to the psychologist and the doctor.
0:42 I’m sorry, I just had to pause right now because my jaw dropped to the ground. $20?!?!!!!!?!??!?!? I went to the emergency room around a year or two ago and paid almost $2000 out of pocket......
We do have private alternatives, which often costs the same as the region-managed standard health care. Also, one shouldn't clog ER for trivial illnesses (not saying your case was trivial - doesn't sound like it) but go to the local "vårdcentral".
Thanx Andrew for a nice video..! I do think u could do a version where u actually compare more cases from dif situations in sweden with the same/similar from ur friends in US, i mean in pure $ numbers. Some serious cases, some less so... Ive talked to several US-friends that have spent time or now live in Swe and all say the same thing; basically everything (health/hospitals) is better in Swe with one exeption, - in Swe if u go to an emergency room and its not serious u might have to wait ½-3 hrs before u get help, but with all the other advantages they feel its worth it. Also remember there are private clinics for the rich in sweden too..! Anyway, wish u all the best! :-)
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As a substitute teacher with a very limited income, I can´t afford to get sick. But if I do get sick, it´s not a big deal, although it´s not good for my finances. However, going to the dentist is a HUGE financial problem. Not only do I have a fear of the dentist, but the amount of money it cost for just one visit is ridiculous. I´ve known older family members who have been forced to just live with decaying teeth because they have no money, that´s my nightmare.
Andrew, great comparison of the USA hospital care as opposed to Sweden. I think you said it well that in the USA if you have money you can get the best care, but if you are not it's difficult. Glad to hear that you are feeling better.
I always use the same exampel when it comes to comparing healthcare here and the US. Insulin. Here you pay at most 2500 SEK (about 300$, give or take) a year. In the US, after healthcare insurance the average price is over 5 500$ a year. It kinda says it all…
I had a stomach surgery which would have cost Around $2000 (I can't imagine what it would have been in the US) for the surgery alone. Three night stay at the hospital, surgery, food and everything else cost me maybe $120. Happy to live in Sweden.
The swedish copay system where it cost 200kr is just to make sure ppl only contact the doc if it is needed. And, 200kr is about a hourly payment for a swedish worker. So it is something everyone got.
Pay max 240$ a year rest in year it is free stop live have that so I know stop live about own country when SD people not have anything good day about country born in that you live in Wellfair to grow up and start life then wining over everything not think in Where all things grow up came from are lot get in tax pay and 55 year Swedish live here so now how works 🤔
Hell you’re not kidding I have to have an EpiPen for be stings and they’re not cheap last time I knew I think they were in close to $100 an EpiPen that might be lower but I don’t know I likely don’t have to worry about it because I have Medicaid and my primary insurance is Medicare but for everyone who doesn’t have those I feel sorry for end it also state the great experiment called the US government in my opinion is a complete failure our healthcare system our educational system our legal system and all just completely sucks and is so fucked up it’s not even funny all because of Pardison bickering and the Republicans trying to get more for their own cronies of the 1% in this country and that means lower taxes for the rich but higher taxes for the poor and low income
Högkostnadsskydd (high-cost protection) in Sweden are 1100 SEK for Läkarbesök (medical care), 1800 SEK for sjuktransporter (patient transport), and 2100 SEK for mediciner (medical drugs). In total 5000 SEK for a year.
Xantippa1000 isn’t all medicine for diabetes at least high-cost protected in Sweden? Meaning you only pay about $220 (about 2200 kr) a year for all prescribed medicine? I know insulin used to be free even for diabetes type 2. Edit: I looked it up now and it seems like it’s free for both type 1 and 2. Even if it wasn’t and was only for high-cost protection, then $220 a year as a maximum spending for all prescribed medicine it shouldn’t be considered expensive at all.
@Xantippa1000 you can put it up so pay month 12 times and get free card to say have account so get free card pay smaller bill every month so if know get up to freecsrd every year vmcsn pen account so pay monthly I aged
In the US even with insurance, most have a monthly payment of $ 400-$700 / month along with at least $ 1500 deductible. So unless a person has surgery, their ins doesn’t cover their visits until one meets their deductible. I am in the health care industry.
And some medications you don't pay anthing at all for. Like with diabetes you don't pay anything at all(Neither for insulin or for utilitys). I got a insulin pump that costs around $6,000 and pay nothing at all for it. I've seen a few videos of yours and you have talked about how some americans can't afford the best healthcare. I've talked to sevral diabetics in the US who can't afford the best possible insulin or utilities just because their insurance won't cover it.
Jag undrar om "urgent care" kan vara motsvarande våra helg och kvällsmottagningar där man inte behöver boka en tid? (förutom att de är privata). Det är mindre allvarligt än akuten men om man inte kan vänta på att ta sig till vårdcentralen kan man vända sig dit. Eller är de bara som en privat akutmottagning?
Worth mentioning here is that if you have no way of paying for the ER visit, it is free. So even if you really are poor you will still get help. And when you turn a certain age (I think it's 85?) a lot of healthcare is free.
@@svantepersson979 Jeg vet ikke hvordan dere gjør det i Sverige, men etter egenandel i Norge på typ 2000 i året så er det gratis. Jeg lever godt med det. Hadde vært ruinert i USA.
I live in Sweden. My longest wait in an emergency room was 13 hours XD I had fallen on a train station and hit my chin and jaw so I could barely open my mouth. After 13 hours I was fed up and started crying (it was overnight. I was tired, cold, hungry and blah) and asked to just go home. Then I got help at once. So yes, it ca take time to get help. But, the cost is great. And, you won't die from health issues just because of not being able to afford it, so I'm okay with that. Good you feel better! (yes I am very late out, but still)
FYI, well we have private care in Sweden also. I for example have a private health insurence by my employer so they help me fix things that the public healthcare doesnt prioritize for example
I am diabetic and my pumps cost 3600kr and last for a month and they are just the pumps but in the Swedish system the medicine is free for diabetics
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Having a disease where there's no cure yet and pretty much needing surgery every year with anaesthesia and the whole ballet, I'm very happy to be living in Sweden. My bill after surgery is SEK 100, that's for the food and bed I occupy for a day. And since it has to do with my airway, I'm top priority and can't say I've ever felt that I had to wait too long. Sometimes surgery has been cancelled and I've had to wait a few more days, because someone came in that was worse off, so that's normal prioritization I'd say. When talking to people in the international support group, I'm saddened to see people with the same disease not going to the doctors, because they can't afford it, they're between insurances, can't afford insurance or whatever. This disease will choke you to death if not treated, people shouldn't have to worry about cost, it's so inhumane when you're already worried about your very life every day as it is. Some will be debt-ridden for the rest of their lives because they did not win the genetic lottery...
LOVE this! I wish you would do yet one more.... you seem a bit distressed right here... make a new clip later!! To REALLY respond to all the benefits/questions....
Huh?? Dude, your hair looks better than usual. That's the LEAST of your worries. On the main subject, THANKS for your input. I'm impressed with the Swedish system, even though (as you mentioned) it's not perfect.
Hey dude! We do have private insurance (which is subsidized by the public sector) in Sweden as well. I have it threw work and yes you get an appointment quicker than the public system. You can really feel the business side of it though. More tests, drug prescriptions, etc. Also I have a bad back and I can only get treatment for it 2 years at the time then I'm uninsured for the same issue for two years. This I do not get, I have to schedule my bad back issues.....? Any who, I feel really blessed with our system. As I have grown up with it, it's normal, this is what we do for each other, we look after each other when we are sick through paying taxes to share the risk and the cost. That patriotism and freedom to me.
It's true, Finland has the same healthcare system we had in Sweden in until 1990s, now we have moved to more private healthcare and the result is what you see, same with our education system, Finland copied us and then we changed ours, Finlands education is top 5 like we used to be but we are 30th place or something.
The reason you had to wait that long was because your case wasnt deemed to be n absolute emergency, so they prioritized patients in urgent need of treatment. That's basically how it works everywhere, except we take that a tad bit more serious in Sweden.
We are “poor” Americans who have a household income of nearly $80k, living simply and can’t afford insurance. Our monthly cost would be $500 for insurance, with a $13,000 deductible (meaning you have to pay $13,000 in services before insurance even BEGINS to pay for anything). It’s insane... oh and to get a specialist appointment, we still have to wait months for an appointment. I’m stressed for sure.
The thing with sweden is that even tho our social system is still great by most countrys standards it has gone to shit over the past 1-2 decades purely because of the political instability we have right now.. I mean it kind of makes sense when you think about it, even tho Moderaterna and Socialdemokraterna are considered middle of the ground parties in sweden the diffrence in ideology is very far apart and the constant shift between those two powerhouses in swedish politics has surely both hurt our economy and the social security system because there is no consistency at all. That being said i honestly think both models could work (even tho my core beliefs is more of a lefty) but it requires stability because like it is right now, all the work moderaterna has done to impose their view is getting fucked up by socialdemokraterna and it goes the other way around. The reason why i believe in socialism (not communism obviously because like everything else extremes are seldom good) is because i believe that in the capitalist world we live in there is no way around the fact that a fully working social welfare cost money (wich is high taxes) and from what i see both from my municipal board of directors and the swedish riksdag is that there is a limit too how much you will actually save long term from trying to save money and do it effectivly.
@@TheDarkstormy i agree with you but looking from a european/worldwide perspective they would be considered middle of the pack i guess! Maybe i was not clear enough of what i meant! I do not like it either and would never vote for moderaterna and im even questioning socialdemokraterna at this point because i feel like they are moving further and further away from the socialist ideology that they should represent!
Must have majority in our Riksdag like Congress to change any systems is in our country so not if change leadership are not that easy change those things are most how Gouvern change not healthcare system are harder change those things
THE Swedish way of doing isnt perfect but you dont need to worry about the bill. The most you pay for a year is. around 600 dollar. Thats for both the healtcare and the medicin.
The best doctors in the world are in the US that is a known fact but the key thing is that those doctors are only available for u if u have the money. Given how mutch the health care issue is brought up everytime there is any kind of voting for anything. I am gonna take a guess and say that the vast majority of ppl cant affort those or health care in general.
Here in Finland our system is like in Sweden. It´s not free to go doctor or emergency but anyway it cost less then 50€ and there is some kind of roof of those payment that after you paid some particular amount in a year it is free for the rest of the year. In medication the thing is the same. You have to pay small part of the medication in a year and after that discribed drugs are free for you. The biggest problem in US is that healthcare is a business and business is all about to make money. Same thing is in insurances. Those are under private business and insurance company is makeing money so they try to wiggle out for the respond to pay out your medical bill. So if they can find any small reason at all that they don´t need to pay the bill, they wount pay it. More money for the company and better bonus for the management and stock holders. If you haven´t seen Michael Moores documentary movie Sicko, i reccomend you all watch it. It is absolutely horrifying to see how does American healthcare realy work and how does insurances work. It will also explain why your medical bill is so high and drugs costs so much in America.
can someone tell me more about Swedish Pathology? I'm looking to move there and I am a Pathology collector, which companies should I be looking at for work?
Swedish people over 85 pay nothing! My ride to the ER (half an hour away) did cost me, though -- all of SEK 135 (that's all of 13 bucks). Too bad about the poor or jobless folks in the USA.
We have a thing called försäkringskassan here. If they decide, then you aren't ill. And no insurances will cover. So that's an big issue. You will not only lose your income but all the extra money you've been paying for extra insurances won't be worth zipp.
It depends. It can be anywhere between $600 if it is subsidized through Obamacare to $12-24,000 a year. I would say average is $6,000 a year with health insurance through your workplace.
@@jennifershappyplace6938 so on top of that you have the cost of possible co-pay and the risk that you aren't covered? Suddenly the average tax of $9000-$18000 per year that we pay in the nordics sounds pretty cheap. Considering it also include College tuition fees as well as a higher general personal safety standard in the form of lower crime rate.
@@karsh001...and suddenly, my Swedish insurance at 200 USD a year felt a lot cheaper. I'm never going to complain about those costs ever again. Litet, kanske, när jag är sur. Men jag tänker skatta mig lycklig ändå.
Det är för dyr här i Amerika. Some people can't afford insurance at all. The care is superb, but you may have to sell your house to pay the bill. One operation may cost $27,000!
I'm a certified science and social studies teacher in Ohio. I would like to move to Sweden. I was wondering if someone could tell me what jobs are available to me? Would I be able to eventually become certified to teach in Sweden? Can I afford to live there with student loans?
keim101 If you have a degree in teaching that matches the Swedish one, you should be able to find a job as a teacher, especially since there is a major issue with lack of competent teachers. There are international schools in many major cities. Finding a place to live is usually hard and expensive in big cities because of the housing shortage, and teachers are underpaid, but you should be able to live on your salary. My mother is a teacher and is paying off her student loans and the mortgage of her house, and can still live pretty comfortably on her + her husbands incomes. I’m not a teacher but I have a very underpaid job and I’m also paying off my student loans, money is usually tight for me but thankfully I was lucky enough to find a cheap apartment.
Yes you can. As the other woman said you have to have a education that is equal to a swedish one but after that I think that you would find a job easy. Schools are screaming for teachers!
Because of the huge lack of teachers in Sweden, especially in science, you can probably get a job before even moving here. Even without a swedish exam. Teachers in science are nowadays better payed than the avarage swede, so i wouldn't worry about that either. And with a good salary, you can rent a brand new appartement that most people can't afford, and that means no queue time. Welcome to Sweden :)
You should really check out this chanel: An american teacher who's moved to Sweden and talkes about the different school systems, work permit, sociaties in general and everything else, from an american perspective. It could probably be of good use for you :) ua-cam.com/video/PciexvxxLWg/v-deo.html
I have to say that the most hateful part is when people get angry because of the wait time. You have to see it from both ends. I get that you don't want to wait but do you think the medical personnel are taking their sweet time just because? No. I quit my old job because I got kidney stones from insufficient water intake and peeing secondary to being overworked. I have rights to two 15 minute breaks throughout the day but guess what? I forego it due to the amount of work that needs to be done. Never been happier after leaving and got a different job in a different work sector. I'm less stressed, my immune system is up, I'm healthier, I get more money, and ironically- the people are nicer. The system and society is broken. I salute all those who bear with it.
Great commentary/topic as usual. I'm a bodily injury adjuster for an American auto insurance company, so I see ER and other medical bills all day, every day...there is no "choice." Most Americans that are insured are insured through their employer. That means when the employer is ready to change the healthcare provider, they do (no "choice" by the employee). When you leave a job for another, you don't have the "choice" to keep your healthcare provider. When your healthcare provider can no longer agree to a contract with your doctor, you have to find another doctor....again, no "choice". 30,000+ Americans are uninsured (10% of the population). 500,000 Americans who ARE insured are facing medical bankruptcies. And those Americans that are insured are only 1 major sicknessot disease away from financial ruin through medical bankruptcy. A simple, typical ER or urgent care visit in America can cost anywhere from a few thousand to $50k or more. It all depends on how much that particular facility wishes to overcharge the patient in hopes that the insurance company will pay or at least pay a reduced amount. And if the customer doesn't pay...your credit score takes a hit. The American healthcare system is beyond PATHETIC to say the least.
Saw a video of an american talking about the cost of delivery for his and his wifes' son, 16 000$... and it wasn't even a complicated birth that needed extra attention and care. Normal birth 16k. Another couple had to pay 40$ for "skin to skin contact", that is they were charged extra for holding their baby after birth with some bullcrap excuse that a nurse had to be in the room while they did it so it was "nursing time". It cost me 20$ total for our delivery including overnight stay and food. Yeah swedes pay 30% tax but getting daycare (I actually pay a bit more since I have a high income and am in a higher taxbracket), 80% of my salary during sick leave, a full year of paid paternity/maternity leave for each of my children, education all the way up to university level and good yet cheap and affordable healthcare, dentistry for my children up until the age of 24 etc... even if they didn't tax me at all, all of that would have totaled much more than the 30% the avarage swede pay in taxes. And like you say, the quality of life alone is worth so much, just knowing I do not have to stress about finances for me and my family when it comes to our education and healthcare. That we won't get bankrupted or have to sacrifice our childrens education if one of us got into a serious accident f ex. And even if I was single, no children, high income and am so healthy I don't need to use healthcare services. I'd still want to pay those taxes to retain this system rather than switching to something like the american system. Even if it would for me personally in that particular case be "paying for something I don't use". I think Sweden is better on a humanitarian and societal level for it. And it often shows in "happiness indexes" that it works for countries that uses similar systems.
Healthcare are not expensive in Sweden because we pay amongst the highest taxes I the world. It differs a bit depending on your salary eg. I pay 40% taxes and the waiting Tim for many procedures are several years. Even in cases that could be life threatening. But the one thing I hate about our system is that if you are here illegally you also get free dental care. While taxpayers have to pay for it. I'd prefer insurance and keep my money. It's just my opinion.
No, you don't have to wait several years for many procedures and especially not life threatening ones. I don't know if it is specific for Stockholm or for every county - but if you have waited more then three months you can get your procedure escalated and get it done either in another county or even in another EU-country. And who says you wouldn't have waiting times in a insurance based system? There are reports of people in the US waiting long times for procedures because insurance issues. And let us not forget that the cost for the USA health systems is in general higher then ours but only covers around 60-70% of the population? So they pay more for less coverage AND this will affect waiting times - as people who aren't covered/cannot afford surgery will most likely not end up in the statistics.
@@pew-pew2224 So then explain to me why the last week several people have died in line for surgery. Some won't even get acknowledged by their doctors when they have cancer. I know this for a fact, my relative died after trying to get help for 3months she went to another doctor in another part of Sweden and died on her way there in the car. I can't answer for other countries but last 4 weeks 2 major hospitals stopped surgery because they don't have material. If you are from Sweden it's kind of easy to see this on the news. I rather keep my money and live while healthy, I'm rolling the dice.
@@egolysergic8499 : I did a quick search and I couldn't find anything about several people dying in waiting for surgery? Do you have any source on this? What kind of patient was this/what kind of illnesses did they have? And on your claim about your relative. If what you say is true - then the incident should be reported and and investigation should be done but you cannot find ANY system that doesn't have errors in it. The material shortages seems to be a problem with the choice of supplier that this counties have made. The current laws regarding suppliers and etc forces the counties to choose the one that cost the least. And the operations that has been cancelled is low priority operations. But here is some information on how "sucky" the swedish system is compared to others. www.commonwealthfund.org/press-release/2017/new-11-country-study-us-health-care-system-has-widest-gap-between-people-higher Healtcare out come : Swedish was in second place in 2017. 6 th place out of 11 overall. www.pgpf.org/blog/2019/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries In Sweden the administrative cost is around 89 $ per capita - in the US the administrative cost is 843 $. And for long term health care USA spends 511 $ per capita - Sweden spends 1392 $ per capita. So the "wasteful" swedish system cost less, covers a larger percentage of the the population, has 10 times lower administrative cost and more then double long term health care spending then the USA. And is second place on the outcome of treatment.
@@pew-pew2224 You crossed a line there it was my dear aunt and yes its reported and will be investigated she died less then two weeks ago but nothing will happen maybe someone get a warning. Read mainstream media and you will easy find two big hospitals shutting down surgery because they miss supplies. Swedish Healthcare are run by old politicians and their relatives getting high salaries for nothing. I dont think us Healthcare should be compared to the Swedish even. What I'm pointing out is that Sweden was one of the best countries in the world 20 years ago and so was the healthcare. Now everything starting to fail and taxes rise. With a tax rate of 40‰ I expect free Healthcare. We work for almost 6 month before the so-called taxfree day rrives sometime in June. Before that we don't get anything for working if you look at it over a year period. So you earn 10 dollars get to keep 6 buy something ordinary for 6 dollars and out of that it's another 1.50 tax. It's a communist County with redistributuon of the money through 70 year old systems. The less you work the better you are off. Our famous author of children's books Astrid Lindgren wrote the one of the witch Pomoeripossa after getting 108% tax. Pomoeripossa was an anology for the Swedish state. I'll take a look for links to news about people dying but it's not high priority. If you won't belive me then don't I can't see a reason to lie about it. Sweden are a hellhole these days enough said.
@@egolysergic8499 : Sweden wasn't better 20 years ago - and neither was the health care. From personal experience I can tell you that getting help for back problems took a lot longer(months instead of weeks). And no - Sweden isn't a hell hole - it currently has problems but it is far from a hell hole. It is quite nice actually. And Sweden uses a progressive tax system(like most countries in the world). That means that the less you earn the less percentage you pay in taxes. And your calculations are way off. The total taxation for individuals are around 40% - that includes tax on sales and etc and depends on your income. For most people it is most likely a little lower due to the progressive tax. If you have a median salary and live in a high tax area - then it seems that you will pay around 28-30% in income tax. If you live in a low tax area you will pay around 21% in income tax. And now we aren't even taking into account that you can get tax-refunds for different things OR things like "föräldraförsäkringen" or "barnbidraget"(For every kid you have below the age of 16 you get around 125 $ in payment). Or the fact that you get tax refunds on your mortgage payments.
I remember when my son got bitten by a Viper a few years ago and the doctor joked "you should be happy we don´t have the US system". I didn´t get it right away before he told me that one dose of the antidote is around $50k... and he got two doses.
Yes, Swedish healthcare does not pick and choose. The same thing applies for everyone. My friend (English) broke his leg really badly here during a mountain biking championship. Four fractures, torn ligaments and all that. Two surgeries within a week, medication and all that. Cost him in total 200 kronor (around $20).
@@DanneyTanner In 'Murika you could still LOSE (not loose) your house with insurance if some suit at the insurance office hasn't determined your treatment that will be covered instead of your doctor.
Last year when I was 13 I sat in the emergency room for 4 hours because I got an infraction in my eye, u can remember that I met a girl that sat next to me who had broken her leg because she fell of a horse and she had been waiting there for like 6 or 7 hours, so yeah the Swedish health care system is great and I don't want anything changing but sometimes you wait for a long time because there are others that are more prioretsed.
well, you got lucky i guess. a friend of mine had to wait 8 hours to see a doctor with an arm that was broken in 4 places. but overall i would say that the system is better than in the US even tho the healthcare in itself is better over there. the prices become absolutely ridiculous when you dont have insurance although as a swede, i personally would prefer to have way lower taxes and pay for my healthcare when the day comes that i need it.
I once went to the ER with an allergic reaction, I had a swollen lip due to it (first and only time I've ever visited the ER, and now I understand that if it would have spread to the throat it could have been very serious), and in the ER I didn't have time to register before doctors and nurses put me on a bed and gave me some medicine. So it's not about luck, it's about if the condition you're in can kill you or not. It wouldn't be fun waiting for 8 hours with a broken arm, but rather that then see another person die. And just a note about the "way lower taxes" and "pay for my healthcare", Let say that you would earn an average salary with a 31% income tax, the healthcare system would get 12% (In 2012) of that (don't know the current rate), so for every 100 kr you earn, the healthcare system would get 3,72 kr so if you would earn let say 25 000 before tax, that would give you a tax cut with 930 kr/month. So if you would like to get "way lower taxes" you also have to opt out from other things like education, social security (biggest cost), infrastructure/public roads and things like that. If you're unlucky and need paid everything yourself, and if you then can't afford it, what would you do then, rob a bank!? Or if you get kids, who will pay for their education and healthcare? It feels like it's difficult to compare US tax and SWE tax systems, not sure what the US tax include, and sure in the SWE system you pay for stuff that you currently doesn't use, but maybe one day you will.
Disclaimer: Think it should have been 13% not 12% to the healthcare system in 2012, so the values is probably a bit wrong, source: ec.europa.eu/eurostat
The insurance companies have such a mark up on the cost of what they want for their medications and testings. It's absolutely ridiculous. So yes I agree with you that the medical care that you have in Sweden. Is so much better than the United States. From a financial point of view. Yes you contribute to it through your taxes. And the good part is everyone has medical coverage. If they pay taxes in Sweden is my understanding. I could be wrong. But I think the United States could really learn something. From Medical way of doing things in European countries. They need to implement that here in the United States.
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Andrew Austin There are private hospitals in Sweden if you want to pay or have private insurance.
I was in the hospital for 10 weeks and only payed 460US and was in for bacterial menhingitis, so my aprox cost in sweden if I had payed what it really cost itwould have been about 60k (excluding tests and op).
On july 16th the doctors found a tumor in my brain. I was on vacation in Gothenburg (I live in Stockholm). So I was flown to stockholm in an ambulance plane, had a proper MRI and not a week later my brain surgery was done. The lab reports came in and it was just a grade 2 so they could allow my head to heal before starting 6 weeks of radiation. I have nothing but respect for the swedish health care system right now, everything has been moving fast enough but also, they haven't rushed things unneccessarily. When there was time to make it all a little less painful and stressful, they gave me that time. So far, I must say everything has gone very, very smoothly.
God bless you Sonja. That is amazing and I'm glad you are doing fine.
I’m glad to hear you’re doing ok. Worth noting is that we’ve got the best neurosurgeons in the world together with New York and London. I myself have had about 20 neurosurgeries in total, seven were brain surgeries in 2019.
Meningioma? Went through that two years ago. Wasn’t malignant thank God so no chemo. Six weeks of radiation that was almost an experience worse than the brain tumor surgery. Glad you are well and to hear you had excellent neurosurgeons and care in Sweden.
It's very interesting to read that! I hope the people who wrote here about tumors or other health problems are alright today and in future. - Krya på er och allt gott!
I was born in Berlin/Germany and I've been living here in southern Sweden for 21 years. I really like Sweden but I'm afraid of the health care service. Maybe, I should search for an extra private insurance and I already thought about leaving the country, now that I'm getting older. I hear so much about problems in the Swedish health service. Earlier I thought that the German health care service was better, but I guess it is not better anymore today. My family-members in Germany are telling the same stories like I hear here in Sweden.
Another problem is that even here in Sweden, sometimes people don't get any benefits when they are sick and can't work. The social security authority "Försäkringskassan" says that they are not sick enough to get sick pay and the municipality ("kommun") says that they can't get benefit/income support either because they can't work: "Moment 22". I'm always afraid that someone from my family or I will become seriously sick. And nowadays, I also have to be afraid that we won't get the medical help we need and not any benefits: Sick and homeless. - That kind of society we have in a country like Sweden or Germany today.
ER visit with MRI test cost my husband $3000. It is crazy that we pay $300 each a month for insurance and then the hospital is still going to cost thousands. I think Sweden is doing it correctly
Random swedish dude here. It certainly feels that way to me. It's a lot less stressfull not needed to worry about healthcare, university tuition or getting layed off of work.
I'm middle class, I make enough money that I got a nice house 2 years ago, I save and invest for both my kids and for myself as well.
Though neither of us can really compare systems :P.
I pay about $100 for a kidney transplantation and food for two weeks in hospital. Including transport to and back home and Uppsala, about 200 km or so. I did go home two days early, because I wanted home, and no. It shouldn't cost any more.
That is about 10 years ago.
I have expensive medication which cost about $1000-$2000 for a month. I pay about $200 per year for that.
Going to the ER in sweden isn’t a problem for most swedes, even if you’re unemployed. The problem in Sweden is going to the dentist! That’s were the biggest health issue lies in Sweden. It’s not necessarily super expensive to go for a yearly check, but if you have a problem it will cost you a fortune... :/
Yes, if Bernie manages to become President and pass Medicare for all, I want to move there.
Ja min mormor måste betala typ 6-10 000 för en ny tand :(
Its free if your under 24 y old
JKNOPPEK No actually not. It’s free to people under the age of 18.
@@ludde_5537 nä upp till Januari du fyller 24 så är det fri tandvård i Sverige.
Four hour groin hernia surgery, with after care and pain medication.
Would have cost 200kr, but that procedure bumped me up to the limit and I only had to pay 150kr. Once healed I got 6 sessions of physical therapy for my back (that had suffered enormously during the period of un-operated hernia), that cost 0kr.
After the surgery, due to me having a physically demanding job, I was on 100% sick leave for 6 weeks, during which I got 80% of my salary.
I have no healthcare insurance, and I pay about 35% income tax.
-You just can't beat this.
One thing to mention is that as a wealthy person you can still pay a private clinic the same way as you do in USA to get things fast. You can also travel to a private clinic in a foreign country if you have the money. No privileges are taken away from rich people.
Americans tend to forget that they are still the richest nation on earth and most of employed population from US have the annual income that is at least 3-5x bigger than that of Scandinavian countries. And keep in mind that Scandinavia is considered rich for European standards. Yet, their average annual income would be considered poor in US.
Dr Phil The Walrus Instead of comparing income, compare living standard.
And compare median instead of average. The ultra rich in USA will pull up the average with a large amount.
@@jensolsson9666 sure we can compare that as well. And US will still beat the crap out of any other country in the world. Don't mention only rich people, an average Joe is also alot wealthier than average Sven or Hans.
Dr Phil The Walrus what I mean is do not look only at the income and money in the bank but also look at cost of living and need for a economic buffer.
Things like helth care and social security you need to solve yourself in USA and in Sweden it is financed by taxes.
And for example because of tax financed daycare Swedish households have two incomes.
Also minimum salary for a 18year old store employe in Sweden 13 dollar a hour. This is because of strong unions in Sweden.
@söder bröder really? You swedes literally handed out your country to muslim migrants who will soon have more rights than yourselves. You already have more no-go zones than any US city. And you have the audacity to talk about US crimes? Lol. At least migrants who come to USA come here to work and contribute to society, so they are more than welcome. And multiculturalism does work in USA, whereas it sure doesn't work in Sweden and other parts of EU. And that comes from anti-Trump liberal btw
I paid 300skr in total to have an emergency replacement of a heart-valve that ruptured.'I might have been one of those who got to go ahead of you in the line.Sorry 'bout that.
Glad you are ok man
300 kronor!? A pair of jeans in H&M is more expensive than that
@@AndrewAustin I'm curious, how much does these health insurances cost every month in the US? I know there are different costs depending on state, company, medical condition, age etc. And I heard that even if you pay full price for maximum "protection" it still may not cover every medical care/treatment/medicine from the insurance. But what is the average cost a month?
@@holamoco "Average cost a month" isn't really a thing, since it varies by an INSANE amount. www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-average-health-insurance-premium-4586358 I know that personally, my family has a pretty expensive one, and I still am only allowed one blood test a year, otherwise we have to pay more for it. That's really bad when you have a vitamin deficiency that needs to be monitored..
I also know that many cannot afford health insurance. Hell, my best friend is in college now (she got a full ride because of her grades and low socioeconomic status), but she lived in a trailer. No health insurance. She got bitten by a cat and was freaking out because she couldn't afford the over $150 to visit the doctor. Luckily my mom was able to diagnose her and call in medicine.. but very few people are that lucky.
People like to think of the US as a rich nation, but that's not necessarily true. The billionaires raise the average income levels quite a bit.
There is a high cost limit as well. You never pay more than 1150kr in a 12 month period. (Even If you See the doctor every week).
And this also applies if you need to see a psychologist or physiotherapist
Yep and for dentistry appointments there are similar high cost protection that whilst not making visits free drastically reduce costs. I can't remember the limits but something around 500 $ / 4500 kr per year and then high cost starts kicking in. I recently went to the dentist 5 or 6 times for work that needed to be done and what could of cost me 3000-4000 $ ended up somewhere closer to 1500 $.
@@jonatanramsesvahlberg8492 Yes, I can´t even imagine the stress level for people who are already sick in some way, to need to worry about their economy as well.
The biggest thing it does is it takes away the stress you'd otherwise have over worrying about it.
After living in Sweden for 2 months I am loving it here. To sum it up for the educational and medical system, it seems like the overall theme is ' xxxx should be available to everyone, not just for the privileged (like in the US) '
@John Doe We do! Especially alcohol and unhealthy food. A beer out on a bar will cost you about 10 dollars, so its not just us swedes who pay. . Export, import. Everything is heavily taxes so it doesnt fall on 'the average swede's shoulders'. I see that you type the same comment over and over to every comment you respond.
"So you enjoy paying the worlds highest taxes", i pay 31%. "Rich-mans-taxes" is 50%+, maybe you should look up what you are talking about. I do not think for a second that you are a millionarie, so you wouldnt be "paying the worlds highest taxes" anyway so why be upset about it? You're upset because you deep down understand what a glorious system it is compared to "rich shall forever be rich no matter what"-mentality you guys have in US, especially since you arent a millionarie.
@John Doe Sweden do have one of the highest "combined taxes" in the world, but not everything is taxed, thats a lie. Even right wing idiots working for "Nomad Capitalist" knows and wrote that when they placed Swe at #1..! Reading ur comments u clearly repeat urself and dont stay true to neither facts nor what the taxmoney has done for Swe. But thats ok, i wish u well anyway. Ull need it. :-) "...its not easy being green..."
@John Doe Absolut inte optimalt nej, men har vi någonsin haft det? "Hälften av kommunerna ligger minus", det är väl ändå ganska solklart varför.. Den större delen av de pengarna spenderas inte på oss svenskar som den borde göras. Tar du bort alla utgifter som går till flyktingarna så är det inte alls så illa ställt som du vill få till det.
I’m gonna love after SD wins
@@nesta8273 ""So you enjoy paying the worlds highest taxes", i pay 31%." NO you don't. You pay about 54%, you as an employe just don't get to see the other 23% as the employer does the transation for you, by law.
I work part time at a ER in Sweden so it’s really interesting to hear this. I’m glad to hear that your experience weren’t a negative one.
As a side note for anyone that interested, health care in Sweden doesn’t cost anything for people under the age of 20 and above the age of 85.
@John Doe ye but you pay tax relative to your income so it works for everyone
John Doe I tried to word it right but I guess I didn’t, I meant that they don’t pay the standard fee (up to the limit at 1150 kr a year).
But yeah. Taxes are unfortunately a thing even in Sweden.
jag betalar alltid 200 när jag går till akuten och jag är 19
Okey jag ska inte svara på fler meddelanden när jag sitter på tåget på vägen hem, jag bara rör till det.😂
Priserna skiljer sig mellan landskapen, det jag sa gäller specifikt i Skåne. Hade du gått till akuten här hade det inte kostat dig något, å andra sidan kostar det 400 kr för någon som betalar.
@John Doe We're discussing HEALTHCARE and not TAXES incase that wasn't clear.
A relative moved to the USA and married. His wife was studied at the time and couldn't afford health insurance, and she got sick. She ended up in the ER for 5 days, which cost them $50,000. They ended up moving to Sweden a few years later.
That's why in the US we need #Bernie2020 and Medicare for All. People in the US are dying because they cannot afford to go to the doctor.
As long as you are ready to pay 50% in taxes it’s easy.
You need to restructure the whole system ! Biggest problem is that you have lobbyists and medicine prices that are way to expensive ! Actually trump changed some of this but biden changed it back so well good luck with that i guess..
That's not exactly true. By law a hospital is not allowed to refuse you treatment, whether or not you can pay
@@bentbentsen4113 what about taking 20 % of your military buget, and putting that amount for healthcare? Or simply break already existing systems and start from scratch?
Waiting for an hour and a half or pay $60000. Yeah, it's a tough choice.
Super tough choice
@Riley Frost Get of fox news lmao
@Riley Frost 55% ? and everybody needs healthcare, + paying ensurance is alittle bit like paying taxes.
Besides TBH who actually save their money for emergency situations...
@Riley Frost check my question above. To me it seems like the american system is more expensive, if you plan on getting 1-2 kids it is a lot more expensive in total.
Just a point about the long queues compared to the US. It is certainly true that the queues are longer here. But we still have private ERs here in Scandinavia with non-existent wait times. And treatment there is still dirt-cheap compared to out-of-plan treatment in the US. The prices of medications and medical supplies are regulated, so you only pay the actual cost of the supplies plus the labour cost, so it really isn't that expensive.
So we can still pay to see the best doctors and skip the lines if we have the means, overall we have more freedom in our choices than in the US
My sister was diagnosed with cancer while living in the United States. She was neither poor nor rich, rather ordinary middle class. When she became ill, she received hardly any sickness benefits and her insurance meant that she had to pay up to $ 3000 before she got 80% of the cost covered by the insurance. At the same time, she had to continue to pay $ 300 a month for the insurance to apply. In addition, the insurance company would have to approve her doctor's visits before she could see a doctor or undergo treatment. Trying to provide for three kids on her own at the same time without the help from my parents she would never have made it financially. In Sweden, her medical care and all medicines combined would have cost her about $ 250 without anyone other than the doctors having intervened if or what care she needed. The Swedish system is definitely better than the US one. The money shouldn’t be an issue, we all get sick at one time or another. The last months of your life shouldn’t be about struggling with money and worrying about your kids financial future because you have to pay outrageous medical bills.
And still so many of you claim the USA is the "best country in the world".. This is just one example where it so clear it's not..
I'd say all of America (North and South but perhaps excluding Canada) is where the rich can have all the greatest things in life, but if you aren't rich, your life will be a much greater struggle as an American compared to a European. Just my impression as a Swede who's lived several years in Brazil.
@@kennelexplicit oh yes! Totally agree with you 🙏
Your sister chose to have a high deductible. You can get a deductible of $0 and everything is paid for, but you are going to pay a lot for that, or you need to be working for a business fulltime (not McDonald's, grocery stores, Starbucks, waitress, etc). There is also cancer insurance that is cheap. My dad had cancer and he had a $500 deductible and had to pay for 0% of hospital bills. My dad also had a cancer insurance. My dad paid $0 for the deductible. SInce there my dad didnt have to pay for treatment he was actually paid for having cancer. My dad had the worst kind of brain cancer a person could have so he had a buttload of money being paid back to him. The cancer insurance made it so he could pay the mortgage, pay for health insurance, support my mom brother and I, pay for all utilities, car repairs, etc.
@@jessicaely2521, It's not that we can't have private insurances. Most of us have, but I think that we sometimes are a bit lazy about those. We are spoiled by the system, and pay our extra insurance, not a specific health insurance, called "Home insurance", which sometimes can include an extra health part, above traveling insurance that is a health insurance in case of illness abroad, but don't read it thoroughly, and therefore miss money we were entitled. We sign an insurance, in case of fire, burglary etc in our homes, but don't read what else it covers.
Great video man. We do have a fastlane in Sweden by having an healt insurance. My company have one for me so I don't have to wait to get a treatment or see a doctor. Have an amazing weekend, Andreas 🇸🇪
Good to hear you feel better. This topic is interesting so thanks for sharing your experience.
My husband, an Englishman, was diagnosed last year right about this time with bladder cancer. In the last year, he has had 2 surgeries, 6 weeks of chemotherapy, lots of very regular check-ups and twice had 2 procedures to remove small growths while in for check-ups. Total cost to us for all of the procedures out of our pocket was under $200. Plus the cost for him to travel to and from the hospital when he could not drive was free.
Andrew, I appreciate you sharing all of this info. I'm looking forward to visiting Sweden to see if I can see myself living there. Not just the healthcare, but the quality of life seems to be much better than the states. Thank you again!
Few Swedes know this, but Sweden also have agreements with some countries that Swedes, whom only going to stay abroad for three months, will get they hospital visits paid by the government.
When living in Melbourne (Australia), I got the advice that I should grab a cab to the hospital because the ambulance would cost around AUD1000.
Hey man! Nice videos, its really fun and interesting hearing your perspective on the differences between USA and Sweden. Keep it up :)
A really interesting topic. Glad you’re feeling better💕
I went to an ER in Sweden (Söder) with an concussion, every nurse on the way said I need an X-ray, after waiting for a couple of hours (half a day), repeatedly forgetting where I was and how I got there because of the concussion, I got to see the doctor who decided to do nothing no X-ray only a brochure about concussions and told me to come back in 6 months if things haven’t improved, and from what I’ve read it’s crucial to get an x-ray while the concussion is fresh if treatment would be needed. I don’t know why he refused to take an X-ray, his explanation didn’t make sense, maybe he thought it was a waste of tax money but I would happily pay for it myself but not everyone has that option in Sweden.
I’ve had have many bad experiences with Swedish healthcare but many in my family have good experiences, it can be great sometimes and terrible sometimes. I seems you have to keep nagging until you receive treatment.
Change doctor go to not must go to Thst doctor have can change so get better that I did and work awesome after got Private health clinic have today so Say Can say many not know that can chose and not how easy it is either .
I love the lamp right over your head. Looks funny. 😝
American here. It's true that many Americans do not have medical insurance but most people do. I am considered middle class and my employer offers a good insurance plan. Perhaps I am lucky? My wife recently had to be treated for cancer but we never paid a penny for any of her medical bills which totaled over $200,000. America's health care system can certainly be better but I think it is not realistic to think that the Swedish system would magically work in America. The countries are so different in size and demographics. A lot of people here in America eat poorly and don't take care of themselves. Treating millions of morbidly obese people alone would cost hundreds of billions. We need to get that under control before we can even think of providing a free system.
My friend has had a liver transplant, numerous medications from the liver being rejected at first and on top of that is now dealing with a non-lethal cancer. All meds, and just about anything that he needs to survive costs him ~150 euro per year. One of his meds costs approx 150 euro for a months pills, imagine if he had to pay for every single medication he needed.
In strong language you could say its "thinning out the citizens that arent wanted" by not providing healthcare to those that cant afford it.
One reason why the waiting time for doctors in Sweden is so long is because doctors have to do so much administrative work.
One of the most important problems in US healthcare is that the same care costs much more in the US than in Sweden for the one who actually pays (The Swedish state or the American insurance company / own wallet). American healthcare is not cost effective.
That's myth, the wait for doctors aren't long in Sweden.
@@anderi1977 Depends on what you need. Surgery can take years, meeting a specialist take several months. For emergency cases it is very quick though.
@@wertigon Not in my experiance nor any of the people I know but that could just because I was in exceptionell good hospital.
@@anderi1977 was it emergency surgery? My mother in law has been waiting for like 18 months for a knee surgery (joint pain but not life threatening) now.
@@wertigon Sort of, it was a organ transplantation. 18 months sounds increadible. Which hospital?
"It's evil" Word Andrew!
I remember a story that I read a few weeks ago, where an older couple in the united states committed suicide (the man shot his wife and then himself) simply because the cost of the medical care they needed at that age was so high that they couldn't afford it
There are private clinics here in Sweden so you can bypass the public healthcare system if you have the money as well. Its not that common though, our general healthcare is good enough for everyone. Could it be better, of course.. but in comparison to other nations, I'm pretty happy to be a swede
According to Harvard Medical School 65,000 Americans die each year who cannot afford to access medical care. My mother when through bankruptcy when she got sick and lost everything. I did not seek medical treatment for Covid because my deductible is $6,000 per year and I could not afford it. This is by design. If an insurance corporation makes you stop and rethink medical treatment because of prohibitive cost then they will avoid paying their share for your medical treatment . Then they are only in the insurance premium collection business.
What Ive heard you pay about 200kr for a visit to the ER but thats for the reception. Thats not considered medical thus not paid for by taxes. So
You don't pay 200kr for the reception. The 200kr is for the whole visit to the ER.
@@tereseholmkvist8345 The 200kr is the reception fee, the rest is taken care of by taxes. Otherwise it would have been 0kr
No, that's wrong. Each landsting (county) decide for themselves what the fee should be.
The purpose of the fee is to discourage unnecessary visits to the medical system.
If it was completely free many people would visit the doctor just for having the common cold.
Still, no-one needs to die without getting the care they need. We pay when we get there and then the rest of the care, that day and for years if you need that amount of care, comes out of our taxes and you don't have to go without. Pretty darn good if you compare to the US where countless of people die not being able to go to the doctor or buy their medicines. And still you beat your chest and think your the mightiest country in the world. Very odd.
And our kids get their education and food at school and our old the same when it's time for them..
True about that you have to force the doctors, at times, to get help. They tried to send me home when I was in labor and open 9 cm (because they couldn’t detect any contractions). I was so gone from the pains, but luckily my sister was there to tell them that it was crazy to send me home when I couldn’t even walk and 2 hours later the baby was born. And my husband because it was “just a little stomach ache”. When he got angry and said that he demandad an x-ray they saw that his appendix had burst and 30 minutes later had to get medications because he’s fever was too high and an operation.
I got diagnosed with ADD and the medication costs like 1200-1400 SEK per year and after that, its free. Basically, i get like 3 bottles myself and then its all free for a year. same with my visits to the psychologist and the doctor.
And medicines too! Like for our kid - her pills cost almost equivalent 1 USD per pill, and she might need more then one sometimes. And we pay: Zero.
0:42 I’m sorry, I just had to pause right now because my jaw dropped to the ground. $20?!?!!!!!?!??!?!? I went to the emergency room around a year or two ago and paid almost $2000 out of pocket......
We do have private alternatives, which often costs the same as the region-managed standard health care. Also, one shouldn't clog ER for trivial illnesses (not saying your case was trivial - doesn't sound like it) but go to the local "vårdcentral".
Thanx Andrew for a nice video..! I do think u could do a version where u actually compare more cases from dif situations in sweden with the same/similar from ur friends in US, i mean in pure $ numbers. Some serious cases, some less so... Ive talked to several US-friends that have spent time or now live in Swe and all say the same thing; basically everything (health/hospitals) is better in Swe with one exeption, - in Swe if u go to an emergency room and its not serious u might have to wait ½-3 hrs before u get help, but with all the other advantages they feel its worth it. Also remember there are private clinics for the rich in sweden too..!
Anyway, wish u all the best! :-)
Normalt go to a Care center not emergency so There make s time so get in directly are emerge cy go if get a emergency not in other reasons then go to ordinate care center have
As a substitute teacher with a very limited income, I can´t afford to get sick. But if I do get sick, it´s not a big deal, although it´s not good for my finances. However, going to the dentist is a HUGE financial problem. Not only do I have a fear of the dentist, but the amount of money it cost for just one visit is ridiculous. I´ve known older family members who have been forced to just live with decaying teeth because they have no money, that´s my nightmare.
Andrew, great comparison of the USA hospital care as opposed to Sweden. I think you said it well that in the USA if you have money you can get the best care, but if you are not it's difficult. Glad to hear that you are feeling better.
I always use the same exampel when it comes to comparing healthcare here and the US. Insulin. Here you pay at most 2500 SEK (about 300$, give or take) a year. In the US, after healthcare insurance the average price is over 5 500$ a year. It kinda says it all…
Looks like your in a hair salon with hair dryer above your head...lol
I had a stomach surgery which would have cost Around $2000 (I can't imagine what it would have been in the US) for the surgery alone. Three night stay at the hospital, surgery, food and everything else cost me maybe $120. Happy to live in Sweden.
The swedish copay system where it cost 200kr is just to make sure ppl only contact the doc if it is needed. And, 200kr is about a hourly payment for a swedish worker. So it is something everyone got.
Also here in sweden insulin is completly free, only medication that is tho.
Pay max 240$ a year rest in year it is free stop live have that so I know stop live about own country when SD people not have anything good day about country born in that you live in Wellfair to grow up and start life then wining over everything not think in Where all things grow up came from are lot get in tax pay and 55 year Swedish live here so now how works 🤔
Just look at the EpiPen price scandal. I'm mortified by that whole story.
Hell you’re not kidding I have to have an EpiPen for be stings and they’re not cheap last time I knew I think they were in close to $100 an EpiPen that might be lower but I don’t know I likely don’t have to worry about it because I have Medicaid and my primary insurance is Medicare but for everyone who doesn’t have those I feel sorry for end it also state the great experiment called the US government in my opinion is a complete failure our healthcare system our educational system our legal system and all just completely sucks and is so fucked up it’s not even funny all because of Pardison bickering and the Republicans trying to get more for their own cronies of the 1% in this country and that means lower taxes for the rich but higher taxes for the poor and low income
Högkostnadsskydd (high-cost protection) in Sweden are 1100 SEK for Läkarbesök (medical care), 1800 SEK for sjuktransporter (patient transport), and 2100 SEK for mediciner (medical drugs). In total 5000 SEK for a year.
Insulin with is free in Sweden. /diabetic type 1 patient
Xantippa1000 isn’t all medicine for diabetes at least high-cost protected in Sweden? Meaning you only pay about $220 (about 2200 kr) a year for all prescribed medicine? I know insulin used to be free even for diabetes type 2.
Edit: I looked it up now and it seems like it’s free for both type 1 and 2. Even if it wasn’t and was only for high-cost protection, then $220 a year as a maximum spending for all prescribed medicine it shouldn’t be considered expensive at all.
@Xantippa1000 you can put it up so pay month 12 times and get free card to say have account so get free card pay smaller bill every month so if know get up to freecsrd every year vmcsn pen account so pay monthly I aged
In Canada your emergency wait is an average of 3 hrs often much more especially in big cities
Great video and it is good that you are healthy again.
In the US even with insurance, most have a monthly payment of $ 400-$700 / month along with at least $ 1500 deductible. So unless a person has surgery, their ins doesn’t cover their visits until one meets their deductible. I am in the health care industry.
And some medications you don't pay anthing at all for. Like with diabetes you don't pay anything at all(Neither for insulin or for utilitys). I got a insulin pump that costs around $6,000 and pay nothing at all for it. I've seen a few videos of yours and you have talked about how some americans can't afford the best healthcare. I've talked to sevral diabetics in the US who can't afford the best possible insulin or utilities just because their insurance won't cover it.
Jag undrar om "urgent care" kan vara motsvarande våra helg och kvällsmottagningar där man inte behöver boka en tid? (förutom att de är privata). Det är mindre allvarligt än akuten men om man inte kan vänta på att ta sig till vårdcentralen kan man vända sig dit. Eller är de bara som en privat akutmottagning?
"närakuten" i Sverige.
Worth mentioning here is that if you have no way of paying for the ER visit, it is free. So even if you really are poor you will still get help. And when you turn a certain age (I think it's 85?) a lot of healthcare is free.
20 dollars for a emergency visit? Just smile, Just smile
Ye, but the taxens r rly high😬
@@alicial9498 Where are you from?
SkyVision yeah but you should expect free healthcare when you pay about 33% tax for a normal person
@@svantepersson979 Jeg vet ikke hvordan dere gjør det i Sverige, men etter egenandel i Norge på typ 2000 i året så er det gratis. Jeg lever godt med det. Hadde vært ruinert i USA.
Og egenandelen min blir dekket, så jeg har gratis medisiner osv hele året.
I live in Sweden. My longest wait in an emergency room was 13 hours XD I had fallen on a train station and hit my chin and jaw so I could barely open my mouth. After 13 hours I was fed up and started crying (it was overnight. I was tired, cold, hungry and blah) and asked to just go home. Then I got help at once. So yes, it ca take time to get help. But, the cost is great. And, you won't die from health issues just because of not being able to afford it, so I'm okay with that. Good you feel better! (yes I am very late out, but still)
FYI, well we have private care in Sweden also. I for example have a private health insurence by my employer so they help me fix things that the public healthcare doesnt prioritize for example
I am diabetic and my pumps cost 3600kr and last for a month and they are just the pumps but in the Swedish system the medicine is free for diabetics
Having a disease where there's no cure yet and pretty much needing surgery every year with anaesthesia and the whole ballet, I'm very happy to be living in Sweden. My bill after surgery is SEK 100, that's for the food and bed I occupy for a day. And since it has to do with my airway, I'm top priority and can't say I've ever felt that I had to wait too long. Sometimes surgery has been cancelled and I've had to wait a few more days, because someone came in that was worse off, so that's normal prioritization I'd say. When talking to people in the international support group, I'm saddened to see people with the same disease not going to the doctors, because they can't afford it, they're between insurances, can't afford insurance or whatever. This disease will choke you to death if not treated, people shouldn't have to worry about cost, it's so inhumane when you're already worried about your very life every day as it is. Some will be debt-ridden for the rest of their lives because they did not win the genetic lottery...
LOVE this! I wish you would do yet one more.... you seem a bit distressed right here... make a new clip later!! To REALLY respond to all the benefits/questions....
Huh?? Dude, your hair looks better than usual. That's the LEAST of your worries. On the main subject, THANKS for your input. I'm impressed with the Swedish system, even though (as you mentioned) it's not perfect.
Hey dude! We do have private insurance (which is subsidized by the public sector) in Sweden as well. I have it threw work and yes you get an appointment quicker than the public system. You can really feel the business side of it though. More tests, drug prescriptions, etc. Also I have a bad back and I can only get treatment for it 2 years at the time then I'm uninsured for the same issue for two years. This I do not get, I have to schedule my bad back issues.....?
Any who, I feel really blessed with our system. As I have grown up with it, it's normal, this is what we do for each other, we look after each other when we are sick through paying taxes to share the risk and the cost.
That patriotism and freedom to me.
If you don't have an emergency you just call your vårdcentral and get a time to see a doctor the same day or the day after.
@Xantippa1000 Guess you're living far north of me..
I am thinking on moving to Sweden . would like to talk about many things over there
I love how REAL your opinion on all this is, both from a swedish and american view 👍🏻
Hey thanks for the kind words
I have heard of several cases when Swedish women had to come over here to Finland to give birth cause there is not enough room in Swedish hospitals.
Finn Wraith That is true
It's true, Finland has the same healthcare system we had in Sweden in until 1990s, now we have moved to more private healthcare and the result is what you see, same with our education system, Finland copied us and then we changed ours, Finlands education is top 5 like we used to be but we are 30th place or something.
that is true for the nortern parts of Sweden. it's insane...
The reason you had to wait that long was because your case wasnt deemed to be n absolute emergency, so they prioritized patients in urgent need of treatment. That's basically how it works everywhere, except we take that a tad bit more serious in Sweden.
We are “poor” Americans who have a household income of nearly $80k, living simply and can’t afford insurance. Our monthly cost would be $500 for insurance, with a $13,000 deductible (meaning you have to pay $13,000 in services before insurance even BEGINS to pay for anything). It’s insane... oh and to get a specialist appointment, we still have to wait months for an appointment. I’m stressed for sure.
The thing with sweden is that even tho our social system is still great by most countrys standards it has gone to shit over the past 1-2 decades purely because of the political instability we have right now.. I mean it kind of makes sense when you think about it, even tho Moderaterna and Socialdemokraterna are considered middle of the ground parties in sweden the diffrence in ideology is very far apart and the constant shift between those two powerhouses in swedish politics has surely both hurt our economy and the social security system because there is no consistency at all. That being said i honestly think both models could work (even tho my core beliefs is more of a lefty) but it requires stability because like it is right now, all the work moderaterna has done to impose their view is getting fucked up by socialdemokraterna and it goes the other way around. The reason why i believe in socialism (not communism obviously because like everything else extremes are seldom good) is because i believe that in the capitalist world we live in there is no way around the fact that a fully working social welfare cost money (wich is high taxes) and from what i see both from my municipal board of directors and the swedish riksdag is that there is a limit too how much you will actually save long term from trying to save money and do it effectivly.
They're not "middle of the ground parties" they're Right-wing morons who want to break our social service system.
@@TheDarkstormy i agree with you but looking from a european/worldwide perspective they would be considered middle of the pack i guess! Maybe i was not clear enough of what i meant! I do not like it either and would never vote for moderaterna and im even questioning socialdemokraterna at this point because i feel like they are moving further and further away from the socialist ideology that they should represent!
Kalle Grundelius Så vem fan borde man rösta på ?
Must have majority in our Riksdag like Congress to change any systems is in our country so not if change leadership are not that easy change those things are most how Gouvern change not healthcare system are harder change those things
THE Swedish way of doing isnt perfect but you dont need to worry about the bill. The most you pay for a year is. around 600 dollar. Thats for both the healtcare and the medicin.
The best doctors in the world are in the US that is a known fact but the key thing is that those doctors are only available for u if u have the money. Given how mutch the health care issue is brought up everytime there is any kind of voting for anything. I am gonna take a guess and say that the vast majority of ppl cant affort those or health care in general.
This is so on point in this pandemic....
Here in Finland our system is like in Sweden. It´s not free to go doctor or emergency but anyway it cost less then 50€ and there is some kind of roof of those payment that after you paid some particular amount in a year it is free for the rest of the year. In medication the thing is the same. You have to pay small part of the medication in a year and after that discribed drugs are free for you.
The biggest problem in US is that healthcare is a business and business is all about to make money. Same thing is in insurances. Those are under private business and insurance company is makeing money so they try to wiggle out for the respond to pay out your medical bill. So if they can find any small reason at all that they don´t need to pay the bill, they wount pay it. More money for the company and better bonus for the management and stock holders.
If you haven´t seen Michael Moores documentary movie Sicko, i reccomend you all watch it. It is absolutely horrifying to see how does American healthcare realy work and how does insurances work. It will also explain why your medical bill is so high and drugs costs so much in America.
We have private care also, but not many use it..
Well said.
Yeah. Universal health care is a great thing. I’m Canadian. We can’t understand or believe that the USA has the system they do.
Triage is an international system (not just the Swedish system to determine who gets to see the doctor first). Google the word, triage.
can someone tell me more about Swedish Pathology? I'm looking to move there and I am a Pathology collector, which companies should I be looking at for work?
Swedish people over 85 pay nothing! My ride to the ER (half an hour away) did cost me, though -- all of SEK 135 (that's all of 13 bucks). Too bad about the poor or jobless folks in the USA.
We have a thing called försäkringskassan here. If they decide, then you aren't ill. And no insurances will cover. So that's an big issue. You will not only lose your income but all the extra money you've been paying for extra insurances won't be worth zipp.
I am a diabetic and I am so grateful to be living in Sweden MY insulin is for free
As a Swede I am curious about the american system. How much is the yearly price for health insurance in the US?
It depends. It can be anywhere between $600 if it is subsidized through Obamacare to $12-24,000 a year. I would say average is $6,000 a year with health insurance through your workplace.
@@jennifershappyplace6938 so on top of that you have the cost of possible co-pay and the risk that you aren't covered? Suddenly the average tax of $9000-$18000 per year that we pay in the nordics sounds pretty cheap. Considering it also include College tuition fees as well as a higher general personal safety standard in the form of lower crime rate.
@@karsh001...and suddenly, my Swedish insurance at 200 USD a year felt a lot cheaper. I'm never going to complain about those costs ever again.
Litet, kanske, när jag är sur. Men jag tänker skatta mig lycklig ändå.
@@FamousGirlfriend Same here. I think my total insurance cost is lower than the ppl in the US pay for just Obama care.
Det är för dyr här i Amerika. Some people can't afford insurance at all. The care is superb, but you may have to sell your house to pay the bill. One operation may cost $27,000!
I'm a certified science and social studies teacher in Ohio. I would like to move to Sweden. I was wondering if someone could tell me what jobs are available to me? Would I be able to eventually become certified to teach in Sweden? Can I afford to live there with student loans?
keim101 If you have a degree in teaching that matches the Swedish one, you should be able to find a job as a teacher, especially since there is a major issue with lack of competent teachers. There are international schools in many major cities. Finding a place to live is usually hard and expensive in big cities because of the housing shortage, and teachers are underpaid, but you should be able to live on your salary. My mother is a teacher and is paying off her student loans and the mortgage of her house, and can still live pretty comfortably on her + her husbands incomes. I’m not a teacher but I have a very underpaid job and I’m also paying off my student loans, money is usually tight for me but thankfully I was lucky enough to find a cheap apartment.
Yes you can. As the other woman said you have to have a education that is equal to a swedish one but after that I think that you would find a job easy. Schools are screaming for teachers!
Because of the huge lack of teachers in Sweden, especially in science, you can probably get a job before even moving here. Even without a swedish exam. Teachers in science are nowadays better payed than the avarage swede, so i wouldn't worry about that either. And with a good salary, you can rent a brand new appartement that most people can't afford, and that means no queue time.
Welcome to Sweden :)
You should really check out this chanel: An american teacher who's moved to Sweden and talkes about the different school systems, work permit, sociaties in general and everything else, from an american perspective.
It could probably be of good use for you :)
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Learn the lingo first.
I have to say that the most hateful part is when people get angry because of the wait time. You have to see it from both ends. I get that you don't want to wait but do you think the medical personnel are taking their sweet time just because? No. I quit my old job because I got kidney stones from insufficient water intake and peeing secondary to being overworked. I have rights to two 15 minute breaks throughout the day but guess what? I forego it due to the amount of work that needs to be done. Never been happier after leaving and got a different job in a different work sector. I'm less stressed, my immune system is up, I'm healthier, I get more money, and ironically- the people are nicer. The system and society is broken. I salute all those who bear with it.
Andrew...do a video on cost of dental in Sweden.as.
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Great commentary/topic as usual. I'm a bodily injury adjuster for an American auto insurance company, so I see ER and other medical bills all day, every day...there is no "choice." Most Americans that are insured are insured through their employer. That means when the employer is ready to change the healthcare provider, they do (no "choice" by the employee). When you leave a job for another, you don't have the "choice" to keep your healthcare provider. When your healthcare provider can no longer agree to a contract with your doctor, you have to find another doctor....again, no "choice".
30,000+ Americans are uninsured (10% of the population). 500,000 Americans who ARE insured are facing medical bankruptcies. And those Americans that are insured are only 1 major sicknessot disease away from financial ruin through medical bankruptcy.
A simple, typical ER or urgent care visit in America can cost anywhere from a few thousand to $50k or more. It all depends on how much that particular facility wishes to overcharge the patient in hopes that the insurance company will pay or at least pay a reduced amount. And if the customer doesn't pay...your credit score takes a hit.
The American healthcare system is beyond PATHETIC to say the least.
Saw a video of an american talking about the cost of delivery for his and his wifes' son, 16 000$... and it wasn't even a complicated birth that needed extra attention and care. Normal birth 16k. Another couple had to pay 40$ for "skin to skin contact", that is they were charged extra for holding their baby after birth with some bullcrap excuse that a nurse had to be in the room while they did it so it was "nursing time". It cost me 20$ total for our delivery including overnight stay and food.
Yeah swedes pay 30% tax but getting daycare (I actually pay a bit more since I have a high income and am in a higher taxbracket), 80% of my salary during sick leave, a full year of paid paternity/maternity leave for each of my children, education all the way up to university level and good yet cheap and affordable healthcare, dentistry for my children up until the age of 24 etc... even if they didn't tax me at all, all of that would have totaled much more than the 30% the avarage swede pay in taxes.
And like you say, the quality of life alone is worth so much, just knowing I do not have to stress about finances for me and my family when it comes to our education and healthcare. That we won't get bankrupted or have to sacrifice our childrens education if one of us got into a serious accident f ex.
And even if I was single, no children, high income and am so healthy I don't need to use healthcare services. I'd still want to pay those taxes to retain this system rather than switching to something like the american system. Even if it would for me personally in that particular case be "paying for something I don't use". I think Sweden is better on a humanitarian and societal level for it. And it often shows in "happiness indexes" that it works for countries that uses similar systems.
Healthcare are not expensive in Sweden because we pay amongst the highest taxes I the world. It differs a bit depending on your salary eg. I pay 40% taxes and the waiting Tim for many procedures are several years. Even in cases that could be life threatening. But the one thing I hate about our system is that if you are here illegally you also get free dental care. While taxpayers have to pay for it. I'd prefer insurance and keep my money. It's just my opinion.
No, you don't have to wait several years for many procedures and especially not life threatening ones. I don't know if it is specific for Stockholm or for every county - but if you have waited more then three months you can get your procedure escalated and get it done either in another county or even in another EU-country. And who says you wouldn't have waiting times in a insurance based system? There are reports of people in the US waiting long times for procedures because insurance issues. And let us not forget that the cost for the USA health systems is in general higher then ours but only covers around 60-70% of the population? So they pay more for less coverage AND this will affect waiting times - as people who aren't covered/cannot afford surgery will most likely not end up in the statistics.
@@pew-pew2224 So then explain to me why the last week several people have died in line for surgery. Some won't even get acknowledged by their doctors when they have cancer. I know this for a fact, my relative died after trying to get help for 3months she went to another doctor in another part of Sweden and died on her way there in the car. I can't answer for other countries but last 4 weeks 2 major hospitals stopped surgery because they don't have material. If you are from Sweden it's kind of easy to see this on the news. I rather keep my money and live while healthy, I'm rolling the dice.
@@egolysergic8499 : I did a quick search and I couldn't find anything about several people dying in waiting for surgery? Do you have any source on this? What kind of patient was this/what kind of illnesses did they have? And on your claim about your relative. If what you say is true - then the incident should be reported and and investigation should be done but you cannot find ANY system that doesn't have errors in it.
The material shortages seems to be a problem with the choice of supplier that this counties have made. The current laws regarding suppliers and etc forces the counties to choose the one that cost the least. And the operations that has been cancelled is low priority operations.
But here is some information on how "sucky" the swedish system is compared to others.
www.commonwealthfund.org/press-release/2017/new-11-country-study-us-health-care-system-has-widest-gap-between-people-higher
Healtcare out come : Swedish was in second place in 2017. 6 th place out of 11 overall.
www.pgpf.org/blog/2019/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries
In Sweden the administrative cost is around 89 $ per capita - in the US the administrative cost is 843 $. And for long term health care USA spends 511 $ per capita - Sweden spends 1392 $ per capita. So the "wasteful" swedish system cost less, covers a larger percentage of the the population, has 10 times lower administrative cost and more then double long term health care spending then the USA. And is second place on the outcome of treatment.
@@pew-pew2224 You crossed a line there it was my dear aunt and yes its reported and will be investigated she died less then two weeks ago but nothing will happen maybe someone get a warning. Read mainstream media and you will easy find two big hospitals shutting down surgery because they miss supplies. Swedish Healthcare are run by old politicians and their relatives getting high salaries for nothing. I dont think us Healthcare should be compared to the Swedish even. What I'm pointing out is that Sweden was one of the best countries in the world 20 years ago and so was the healthcare. Now everything starting to fail and taxes rise. With a tax rate of 40‰ I expect free Healthcare. We work for almost 6 month before the so-called taxfree day rrives sometime in June. Before that we don't get anything for working if you look at it over a year period. So you earn 10 dollars get to keep 6 buy something ordinary for 6 dollars and out of that it's another 1.50 tax. It's a communist County with redistributuon of the money through 70 year old systems. The less you work the better you are off. Our famous author of children's books Astrid Lindgren wrote the one of the witch Pomoeripossa after getting 108% tax. Pomoeripossa was an anology for the Swedish state. I'll take a look for links to news about people dying but it's not high priority. If you won't belive me then don't I can't see a reason to lie about it. Sweden are a hellhole these days enough said.
@@egolysergic8499 : Sweden wasn't better 20 years ago - and neither was the health care. From personal experience I can tell you that getting help for back problems took a lot longer(months instead of weeks).
And no - Sweden isn't a hell hole - it currently has problems but it is far from a hell hole. It is quite nice actually.
And Sweden uses a progressive tax system(like most countries in the world). That means that the less you earn the less percentage you pay in taxes. And your calculations are way off. The total taxation for individuals are around 40% - that includes tax on sales and etc and depends on your income. For most people it is most likely a little lower due to the progressive tax. If you have a median salary and live in a high tax area - then it seems that you will pay around 28-30% in income tax. If you live in a low tax area you will pay around 21% in income tax. And now we aren't even taking into account that you can get tax-refunds for different things OR things like "föräldraförsäkringen" or "barnbidraget"(For every kid you have below the age of 16 you get around 125 $ in payment). Or the fact that you get tax refunds on your mortgage payments.
I remember when my son got bitten by a Viper a few years ago and the doctor joked "you should be happy we don´t have the US system".
I didn´t get it right away before he told me that one dose of the antidote is around $50k... and he got two doses.
If you are a normal, healthy person going for annual physical exams is cheap no matter US or Sweden. Except taxes in Sweden are much more than US.
Question. If I'm on a vacation visiting Sweden and have to go to the hospital well I still get the cheap rates?
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Yes, Swedish healthcare does not pick and choose. The same thing applies for everyone. My friend (English) broke his leg really badly here during a mountain biking championship. Four fractures, torn ligaments and all that.
Two surgeries within a week, medication and all that. Cost him in total 200 kronor (around $20).
@@gundalfthelost1624 Wow. Nice...Here in the states if no insurance you could loose your house with a big doctor bill.
@@DanneyTanner I can't even imagine the stress of that. Needing medical care but also knowing it will cost you a fortune. Must be terrifying.
@@DanneyTanner In 'Murika you could still LOSE (not loose) your house with insurance if some suit at the insurance office hasn't determined your treatment that will be covered instead of your doctor.
in sweden if you are actually realy sick for an extended time, you get money, instead of having to pay for it like in the US
In the US, a woman was charged $700 for waiting, didn't see a doctor.
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Last year when I was 13 I sat in the emergency room for 4 hours because I got an infraction in my eye, u can remember that I met a girl that sat next to me who had broken her leg because she fell of a horse and she had been waiting there for like 6 or 7 hours, so yeah the Swedish health care system is great and I don't want anything changing but sometimes you wait for a long time because there are others that are more prioretsed.
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well, you got lucky i guess. a friend of mine had to wait 8 hours to see a doctor with an arm that was broken in 4 places.
but overall i would say that the system is better than in the US even tho the healthcare in itself is better over there. the prices become absolutely ridiculous when you dont have insurance
although as a swede, i personally would prefer to have way lower taxes and pay for my healthcare when the day comes that i need it.
I once went to the ER with an allergic reaction, I had a swollen lip due to it (first and only time I've ever visited the ER, and now I understand that if it would have spread to the
throat it could have been very serious), and in the ER I didn't have time to register before doctors and nurses put me on a bed and gave me some medicine. So it's not about luck, it's about if the condition you're in can kill you or not.
It wouldn't be fun waiting for 8 hours with a broken arm, but rather that then see another person die.
And just a note about the "way lower taxes" and "pay for my healthcare", Let say that you would earn an average salary with a 31% income tax, the healthcare system would get 12% (In 2012) of that (don't know the current rate), so for every 100 kr you earn, the healthcare system would get 3,72 kr so if you would earn let say 25 000 before tax, that would give you a tax cut with 930 kr/month. So if you would like to get "way lower taxes" you also have to opt out from other things like education, social security (biggest cost), infrastructure/public roads and things like that. If you're unlucky and need paid everything yourself, and if you then can't afford it, what would you do then, rob a bank!? Or if you get kids, who will pay for their education and healthcare? It feels like it's difficult to compare US tax and SWE tax systems, not sure what the US tax include, and sure in the SWE system you pay for stuff that you currently doesn't use, but maybe one day you will.
Disclaimer: Think it should have been 13% not 12% to the healthcare system in 2012, so the values is probably a bit wrong, source: ec.europa.eu/eurostat
The insurance companies have such a mark up on the cost of what they want for their medications and testings. It's absolutely ridiculous. So yes I agree with you that the medical care that you have in Sweden. Is so much better than the United States. From a financial point of view. Yes you contribute to it through your taxes. And the good part is everyone has medical coverage. If they pay taxes in Sweden is my understanding. I could be wrong. But I think the United States could really learn something. From Medical way of doing things in European countries. They need to implement that here in the United States.
You said a mouthful and that’s an understatement
The system is slow and the cues can be very long if they dont see it as urgent yeah..