Matt Ramos vs Spencer Lee - 125 lb Semifinals - 2023 NCAA Championship
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2023
- In a monumental upset, Purdue's Matt Ramos defeated Iowa's Spencer Lee in the semifinals of the 2023 NCAA wrestling championships.
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The most insane upset in wrestling history since Gable lost to Owings. We just witnessed history…
Calm down guy, it was arguably the best upset of the year, but that’s about it
@BlackHair have you ever heard of Kyle Dake?
@Ryan He lost a few times in college. Tomassello, Piccinninni, Seabass (twice), and now Ramos. I think those were his only losses (5) in college.
@BlackHair Lee great but definitely not the greatest in ncaa history. Once Tom Brands hit soph yr, he was beast mode 3x, Iowa Chris Campell came out of NYC hood to 3x in 70's and 2x Olympian including bronze at 38yrs old. and MANY other 3x guys were just as dominant as Spencer. I forget his name but Iowa 177 in 78-82 dude was national champion freshman, sophomore, 2nd junior yr, 1st again senior and gold in Olympics, he was more dominant than Lee as was 3x Randy Lewis ( & Olympian gold) others. Lee is recent history, there's been many legends going way back. 1980's. Even Carlton Haselrig, wrestled at a D2 school, barely ever wrestled D1 guys EXCEPT he was so dominant in D2 the NCAA gave him a spot 3 yrs in a row at D1 ncaa's and he crushed everyone > 3x D1 champ along with 3x D2 championships at heavyweight > 6x total ncaa championships, much more difficult for big men to win nationals as freshman & sophomores than it is for 125lbers.
As a Hawkeye through and through I'm gutted to see Lee's run come to an end! But all credit to Ramos what a win man now go get the chip 🏆 👏
3:23 Ramos defers. Ref indicates green chooses too.
@Butter lol I read that wrong, thought you were asking if he lost to the same guy from high school. Yeah he won three state titles and lost his senior year just like this time. The only person I though could have even competed with him was fix or suriano but after watching that killer performance by Glory at finals maybe he would of beat him. He looked slick as shit.
@Butter Lee is the same kid but desantos isn't who he lost to at finals. I don't like making excuses for anyone but Lee was nursing an injury when he lost to desantos in high school. He's been wearing that huge leg brace ever since.
@Jakob Folmar since your from PA as I am. Didn't he lose the same way in high school? 3 time state champ and then Desanto beat him in his last match. This is the same kid right?
Hours before this match, Ramos had an interview and said he had a plan. You can really see him execute it here.
1) He chooses neutral in 3rd instead of bottom (Lee chose top in 2nd) because Lee's tilt is so deadly
2) He uses his Greco-Roman experience to full advantage. In their duel meet match earlier this year, Ramos dominated on his feet, but Lee pinned him as soon as he got on top.
3) He uses an excellent standing Granby roll twice to get escapes into immediate counter-attacks.
4) He is constantly pushing into Lee, then changing direction to throw him off balance. Even in the cases where this didn't score him points, it is obviously effective, often sending Lee onto his butt or into a desperate scramble.
I would have loved to watch Lee make history tomorrow night. He's such an exciting wrestler to watch, and such a darn nice guy, that you can't help but cheer for him. I wish he had gotten the happy ending he seemed destined for. But on the other hand, this feels like the first chapter in a story just as exciting.
@Scott Meredith Lee's conditioning has always been one of his weaknesses. The challenge helped Lee more than Ramos.
@Scott Meredith That has been a big discussion recently, given that this is apparently a year that they are planning to revisit some of the rules. A lot of people on FLO for example have been saying that a 5 minute breather is more disruptive than an incorrect call, and I tend to agree. When I was a kid, I took a lot of pride in my conditioning because I put in that work. I would have been very upset if my opponent was clearly tired and got a 10 minute break while they decided if I had scored 2 near fall points or 3.
I can't help but keep watching this, and I have come to the conclusion that this and other matches have been influenced by the coach challenges. Your insight was excellent. Given that Lee was up 2 points with riding time, was it worth giving Ramos that breather? Isn't part of wrestling the fatigue factor?
@W S no problem, and yea.. theres a lot of people who talk without knowing what they're talking about
@PJP you're the man, thank you! I have asked in like 5 threads here that I knew were gonna be wrestler bait, on reddit, and on Twitter and this is the 1st solid answer. Several very goofy answers too lol.
What a weapon on his feet. He knew to stay off bottom to start the 3rd. Take that chance with a neutral start. Smarts and confidence there. A great career for Lee.
@DamiensTheRegicide Missed it. Watched again and saw what you said.
3:23 the disc shows red. Ramos defers. Ref indicates green chooses top. Lee chose top.
@Rich B the commentators were wrong. Lee chose Top in the 2nd.
@Jakob Folmar I watched the match again and clearly saw that Ramos signaled neutral in the 3rd. What through ESPN and the two of us off was that we didn't see a clear signal from Lee in the 2nd.
@Rich B oh man so did I at first. I though this kids coaches must be idiots lol. No one picks down with Lee. It's a death sentence.
Good win, hard fought battle. He earned that win and he’s going to earn this NCAA championship.
Edit: congrats to Pat Glory well deserved.
@Dylan Burnoski how'd that turn out?
Yeah Glory prettmuch dominated that match but he too tasted defeat last year in the finals.
Shout out Pat Glory!! New Jersey's Own
Unfortunately, glory beat Ramos.
I’m not gonna lie this was the best semifinal ncaa match I ever seen
Cruz vs. Gilman clears
Check out Cary Kolat vs Mike Ironside.
RBY was fortunate to get out of his semi-final.
That was also a great match.
@Dad of 4 who
Why would you even contemplate lying?
Ramos is lethal. I’ve not seen someone so capable of feet to back takedowns in a long time
@402dude AC Slater originally committed to go to Iowa, but changed his mind last minute and went to California University instead.
A.C. Slater says hello
that's all Bryce Andonian does!
Freestyle aggression pays huge dividends in folkstyle/collegiate wrestling if you can hit it.
Kinda like Austin Gomez!
That was perfect escape and then straight onto the attack! Spencer Lee great great wrestler! But all the praise to Ramos! Great match altogether.
@teebob21 what the hell are you talking about ? That’s not spencer lee’s style at😂
@Zayne S LMAO he gave up and quit the tournament
@A E ok. Wake me up when he wrestles another NCAA match.
@teebob21cough cough Bravo-Young
@A E Wow. With the two medical forfeits announced today (in the consolation bracket), the semi final loss was his last wrestled loss of his career. Spencer was a very impressive, dominating wrestler. Shocked how his career ended.
Wow! I love Lee. But that was a fantastic match and a prime example of what makes wrestling great!
Exactly and now, with Lee, we get to see HOW great he is-and will be, if he--as he, rises to the occasion. Gable went into a funk, but came out of it. One famous boxing champ once said "you can't see the great until you see how they handle getting beat". Something like that; now will Lee use this to get even better, like Gable did. Maybe?
Wow what a match. Just incredible determination by both wrestlers. 👏 congratulations Matt.
Actually no, Lee totally gassed and gave up. He was WELL off his back and, I think, got choked out. He only needed to hold out for a few more seconds. His fire and fitness were not in the ball park for this season. If he couldn't crap tilt you in the first 2 minutes...he was a shell the rest of the match.
That move to catch Lee was amazing. I watched it over and over.
@W S I was always taught that it's just a reverse gator roll, but there may be another name for it. It's pretty common in freestyle, it's a good way to keep your opponent guessing, not knowing which side you'll roll to. You can also bait him by attempting a regular gator roll then switching to the reverse roll halfway through, his body weight will be leaning towards the side you'll roll into because he's defending/resisting the first gator roll attempt towards the other side.
@W S I fully believe that Ramos knew he was going to catch Spencer’s left arm and pin him to his back
@W S you’ll see Ramos position his right arm across Spencer’s sternum to fully gator roll him. It is quite unorthodox but Spencer had great defense with his own right arm so Ramos chose to roll the opposite way and it just worked for him but you have to commit 110%
@Ricepower30YT I've asked this in a few threads and the best I've gotten is a variation on the gator roll. I've never seen rolling away from the trapped arm like that does it have a specific name? In a traditional gator roll he would've rolled towards the trapped left arm or counter clockwise if that makes sense. But yeah I've watched it 12 times, would love a name to find an instructional.
@wrestle4life234 yeah I agree. I was shouting, “get off your knees!” now I’m just a bum that love wrestling and know I would lose to a 125lbs champion every day even though I have 100lbs on them haha. Being on your knees is just bad overall but credit to Ramos for putting all his weight and pressure on Spencer to not allow him to get up
Amazing. Put him on his back twice, and the way he got that escape and came back aggressive and went for it was amazing. Seemed to catch Lee off guard.
Lee was like wtf? I think he got stunned that Ramos got up back like Spiderman. Holy moly.
Congrats to Ramos. I gotta say it’s insanely tough to continue competing at a high level with two torn ACLs even after surgery. You can tell it has affected him. He doesn’t move as good as before and gets gassed quickly. Even if he can’t get his 4th title, he’s still an unbelievable wrestler. Hats off to Matt Ramos tho.
History repeated unfortunately. Spencer has been a joy to watch. To see him come up short of a 4 time state Champ and NCAA champ is heartbreaking
and then punk out and drop out for "medical reasons"
@Biden is a traitor bro what?
Heartbreaking for who???
What a move! Wow! Great finish. Did not see that coming. Ramos recovered his energy during that challenge.
The whole crowd cheers for Spencer… but Ramos refuses. An incredible match.
Absolutely unreal. Gives everyone else in the field confidence that they can achieve the impossible.
Unreal, sending shockwaves through college wrestling. Just wow.
My name is Rob Rohn from Lehigh. I won a NCAA championship in wrestling. Some consider it the greatest upset win in NCAA wrestling history. I will tell you right now, this one beats mine. I am shocked
@Will Cress whose your INVISIBLE Bro?
Lee #1, Gable #2.
Ramos so much better on his feet than Lee.
Wanted it much more.
Best move I have ever seen.
Amazing
I remember you man. That was freaking awesome. And I have to agree with you on this match.
Very cool !! Luv hearing from champions
You are a superstar Ramos! Congratulations on the win.
I can’t stop watching this. Simply incredible. College wrestling at its very finest.
Who else kinda saw this coming but didn’t wanna believe it would happen
I actually thought, “What if Ramos pinned him in the last minute” right before he threw The Move. I think I’ll try my luck at guessing the Lotto numbers!
@Marcus Miro Honestly I think people look for a reason to be able to say they thought it might happen
@Adam Ski yes ik but this past year it’s been pretty clear that it’s possible for him to go to his bad and Ramos proved it multiple times from freestyle/greco moves
@Matt W People love saying they called shit like this. I bet when the Cubs won the World Series there were people going "I knew it!!!" lmao
You can tell Lee was giving Ramos too much respect by 15 seconds in. He usually attempts a hi-c on the right leg by that time. No shot attempts in the first period. Once i saw no takedowns in the first i said Ramos is going to pull this off because Lee gets weaker as matches get longer.
See what happens when you incorporate all 3 styles of wresting into one masterpiece. Haven’t seen lee thrown like that since his younger days. Great match, all respect to both warriors, only one can go further.
Goosebumps and just wow, all credit to Ramos never quit.
Ramos showed in January he might have the edge in neutral. Even though he still lost despite being up 8-1 in the first that's information to take with you and a confidence boost.
Yeah he definitely showed his intention is to win! Spencer has lost more than once, that can really empower the competition!
Great upset. Great match. That whole finishing sequence from the escape to the pin was just amazing. Well done kiddo. Indiana stand up!!!
So happy for Ramos but totally devastated for Lee
I am a casual fan, but I watched the dual meet between Ramos and Lee during the season. When Ramos was up 8 to 1, I knew he would be a problem for Lee. I felt like Lee was confident on the mat, and too confident specifically going into this match, whether because he not only beat but pinned Ramos previously or not. It will be interesting to watch how he wrestles tomorrow morning for the third place title.
@Aaron Sarquist lee’s ego got to him, Lee had a chip on his shoulder, hence why Lee body locked Ramos while still underneath him in a bad position..
Gotta disagree. Lee gave Ramos props at the handshake in the first match on the throw. And Lee definitely respected the hell out of Ramos' upper body weapons. Looked more to me like Lee just got caught in a wild position and paid the price. Hats off to Ramos for being game til the very end. Signed, a Spencer Lee Fan boy lol
That was one of the sickest moves I've ever seen. To execute it at that moment against arguably the best 125lber to ever do it is just simply clutch. Not taking anything away from Ramos but Lee looked anything other than dominant the entire match!
Straight up cried after this match really sad to see Spencer's carrer almost be over he did really good though
The most insane ending Ive ever seen. Amazing. Congrats to Ramos. Just an outstanding effort!
Huge upset! But anyone could possibly see this coming at some point. Lee has been handled many times upperbody this year and this shows how difficult the four x thing is. Only sport you can be ahead by a ton and as long as their is time on the clock, you can lose. Credit to Ramos , he had no fear of Lee on his feet and thanks to Lee for giving us fans so much to applaud over the last couple of years.
@Michael North hehehehe, says little Mikey from mommy's basement with his Fritos and strawberry Walmart soda. Is that what they told you when you lost your4x hotdog eating contest!?
@Zayne S It is over already. Technically, not mathematically over, but it is over nonetheless. Lee finishing 3rd or 6th makes no difference. Iowa has no chance of catching PSU. There is very little chance of any team catching Iowa for 2nd place either. 1. PSU, 2. Iowa, 3. through 7. is a fight between Cornell, Ohio State, Missouri, Michigan and Nebraska.
Ya I agree Lee one of the best of all time but over rated and over hyped
@Brett Gast "looking" him and his mommy can cry together.
@Michael North right lol, like a 3x national champ and 2x Hodge Trophy winner is easy to do. You must be a 4x and 3x'er. Because that's what Lee was looking at doing.
It's amazing how probably the best wrestler in the tournament up to this point is so susceptible to a blast double. A thing of beauty.
Great match, tough to see Spencer get pinned, hats off to Ramos, he came to battle like in the Dual. Both of them fought and fought for sure, great match.
Shall we call that the “Ramos Roll”. Literally with .01 seconds left HE’S STUCK! 😮 Kudos to Matt 👏🏼 And Spencer will be always be a legend. My god I love this sport and hot damn I love tournament. 🙏🏼
Much respect to the warrior who beat Lee. Much more respect to the man beaten. An inspiring wrestler to whom no one holds a candle to. You’re the man, Spenser Lee. My heart and admiration goes out to you.
Purdue was on both sides of a historic upset tonight
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Yes. Crazy isn’t it?
What a match. Tons of action.
What what an incredible upset. Also, in dramatic fashion. Fall with literally one second left. Kudos to this Purdue kid!
What a crazy time we’re living in. History was made today, imma talk about this match with my grandchildren one day
That was just incredible... the gramby roll for the escape and the pin. Way to keep wrestling dude!
Left me absolutely speechless, great match
At the top 5 it’s usually anyone’s game. Spencer Lee is once in a generation and far above 2-4. This is a mega upset! Amazing to see!
I'm a Pennsylvania guy and a huge Penn State fan. What I just witnessed I'm speechless over. Iowa is our huge rival, and I never saw Spencer Lee losing. Ever. Huge hat off to Ramos for an intelligent Match...
Nationals is the super bowl of college wrestling. PSU has won 10 of the last 12. We really don’t have any rivals when you think about it.
Also from Pa and PSU fan and that was a once in a life time match. Ramos will have a great future.
Wow!
Great match guys!
Congrats to Ramos! You earned it young man
Ramos is so good on his feet. A good freestyle wrestler and i didnt want to think it but i was afraid of this matchup ☹️
@Michael North theres enough rigged sports out there lol lets keep wrestling pure
Unironically should have offered Ramos a million bucks to dip out on this match, just to get the first 4xer in Iowa program history
I love to see the comment section. All respect to Ramos for beating one of the best Hawkeyes in the past decade. Sad to see Lee go but the whole community loves him
Excited to see Ramos wrestle in the future. He is super smooth with his takedowns.
I admire Lee for many reasons, least of which is his ability to tilt up just about anyone in the world, whenever he wants. But I am heart broken he didn’t answer the call for two more matches to let everyone in the world know what kind of man he is, win or lose, that is what wrestling teaches us, courage to do what we do not want to do!!
That throw was on time 🔥🤧 i love upsets ‼️
unbelievable, really wanted spencer to win but ramos definitely deserves this
The way he turned him for the finish was so damn slick.
11:52
Wow that was dirty!! Ramos looked strong & confident that entire match. Hats off to both wrestlers 🫡
Dirty?
He gassed towards the end. That challenge time definitely helped him.
Spencer hold your head high kiddo! You have proved through and through what a top notch athlete you are ! Go Hawks!
Turns out he hung his head and forfeited 2 matches after this loss.
@Kristopher Wilson And even Zain Retherford and Bo Nickal AND Jason Nolf. All who were disappointed by past tournaments and didn't want that feeling ever again. I think Bean Bartlett and Shayne Van Ness will also go down as two of the Penn State greats down the road, but Shayne's time I feel is definitely coming quick.
@Kristopher Wilson completely agree, Kristopher
@Biden is a traitor strongly disagree. Dan Gable's loss to Owings in 1971 is not what people remember him for. Once the shock goes away and once he transitions to freestyle (if he does) his whole career will be remembered. Can say something similar about David Taylor (4x finalist, losing to Bubba Jenkins and Kyle Dake), Isaiah Martinez, Mark Hall, etc.
This match he will be remembered for..not his career
What an amazing match for both of them but such a bold but effective pin/finishing move to end the match. I got to wrestle against Spencer Lee's high school team in team state playoffs and we barely got by them... then we got beat by Canon Mac :(
I always had this impression that the guys Lee was beating were some how “letting” him win.. I had thought last night that Lee might lose in the semis or finals, just going off of the quarterfinals win, he was momentarily on his back and then in the interview, Lee seemed SHOOK and very nerve rattled and was giving quick answers and not happy looking or sounding. Brutal way to lose. The Iowa curse, like Dan gable, and also Lee losing his final match in high school. Sucks to suck.. but most just dream of getting on the podium, let alone winning THREE NCAA TITLES. So we can’t feel too sorry for mr Lee. Go PSU!
Sucks to suck? Lol. Jesus.
Ramos had a Louden Swain moment. Huge upset. Epic match.
Well said my friend.. Well said. You're goddamn right he did!! Was on a vision quest man
You could tell he was looking for that front headlock that whole time , just got the set up right. Perfect 👍
Even without the pin Ramos had it won with back points! That is a clean win over one of the best of all time. Credit to both guys for going all out all throughout!
Amazing match! Great fight by both young men. Congratulations Ramos!
Damn! Feel bad for Spencer, man is class act that will be missed, tough tough loss
I can't believe this. I've been rooting for Spencer for years. This tears me up 😔
When Lee chose to be on top after Ramos deferred, I thought “oh sh*t, he has to believe he can turn him and ride him out.” Lee did just that. I love nothing more than to watch Iowa lose, but never expected this. Great match.
Spencer losing in the semis is just crazy…
best moment in wrestling in years!
That was insane! Who would've thought!
Wow you hear coaches of the sport talk about "character building" all the time & god damn does this drama epitomize it. This match and Spencer Lee's journey reminded me of all the highs and lows and humility of this crazy amazing beautiful sport. The older you get the more you understand the greatness of this sport. It's sad for Lee but damn thank you Spencer for helping all of us fall in love with this sport all over again. That was the most dramatic & exciting television I've seen in years. I was shook!
As an Iowa I don’t know how so much could go wrong in two nights
That pinning move was insane
I had Ramos as a dark horse going into the tournament just based off the fact that he put Spencer on his back earlier in the year and that he is coming down from 133 so Spencer can’t bully him like he can the other people…Not to mention Spencer seems to run out of steam every time he has to wrestle past two rounds
That's why a I think RBY can beat Lee.
he looks really big for 125, so tall, lol
Great match and win!!! I would still beat on Lee anytime he wrestles. Lee you are one of the all time greats. Great career you have had.
That’s savage. I think this is the most neutral someone’s had spencer lee and I think that pin was amazing. Congrats to Ramos and great work from spencer lee; as always. As disappointing as it may seem I hope spencer can overcome that and come back and destroy the competition wherever he decides to compete.
WHAT THE ACTUAL F*CK?!?!?!? Congrats, Matt Ramos!!!
I love the emotion in sports . No matter what sport . It’s amazing
I can watch this all day…Ramos had the will and determination to win…they even gave Lee 2pt take down when the video shows Lee’s foot was in the air and out of bounds…Great win Ramos…
Great match. I saw it coming from last time they met. I thought he got stuck last time but they didn't call it
WOW! Two Illinois guys gave us two of the biggest upsets in history - in one season. Austin Gomez beat Yianni, and Ramos PINNED Lee. That being said: I'm sad to see Lee lost, though. He's such a great guy, and he deserved to be a 4 timer. I had a bad feeling about this.
Bro that double leg was actually insane
Now I can finally say I told ya so, after watching their previous match a couple weeks ago, I predicted this would happen. Shame on them doubters! 😂 I even mentioned the thing about gable vs. Larry in that old comment. Poor Lee though, hope it isn't too heartbreaking for him that he stops wrestling.
I could only imagine how heartbroken Lee is knowing he won’t be a 4 time NCAA champ. I feel for him but it was a fair fought match.
Imagine all Spencer had to do was not take a shot. Circle around. Not lock his hands. Insane.
In all our hearts we had Lee becoming a 4x ncaa champion but he got tilted and almost pinned in the quarter finals. Something was wrong with him maybe to much pressure.
Long shot but i think now that he had surgery he maybe felt more pressure of not having an excuse then before he had to overcome adversity
You could see it in his face after the back points by Noto something was off
I remember I use to wrestle with matt in the same club back in Bolingbrook IL when we were on the raiders together he’s always been good super proud of you matt !
Man they’re quick. This one’s in the books for a long time
You gotta wonder how long he's practiced that exact move 🤔
Between Matt Ramos and the men’s basketball team, Purdue was on different sides of a couple of the most historic upsets in college sports history… on the same day
You had a weird feeling with this match. Especially with that call and the fact that Lee was looking to kill time in that neutral position
Ramos is tricky. Second time this year he put Lee on his back. It was an upset, but not shocking that Ramos was the one to do it.
Holy shit that was wild. Lee got caught off guard. Ramos came back fired up after the long decision and Lee was snoozing. Damn
Spencer shouldn't feel ashamed tho. Still goes down as one of the best wrestlers in NCAA history.
Second time watching this...I watched it after it happened yesterday, and now this morning. Man Ramos is a beast. You gotta give the kid the credit he deserves. Down, with 2 SECONDS on the clock...Amazing, and brutal pin against a legend in Spencer Lee. Ive seen Spencer get pinned before, and i wasnt really as surprised as others i guess. Im from Ohio so lol, so its not like i have a dog in the fight. However ive followed Spencer for a little while now, and was looking forward to him winning 4 NCAA Championships. I didnt see the title coming as easily as everyone made it out to be. All these top 5 guys are monsters, and on a good day will beat the best. As we just seen. Ready to watch Ramos in the finals. Which idk when the wrestling starts today, but yea cant wait. Id love to see Ramos get a NCAA title. Great kid.
This isnt at all surprising to me. When they first wrestled i made a bold prediction that Spencer would not be an NCAA champ. Ramos threw the kitchen sink at him the first match & we all know that if you can bring Spencer to the 3rd period you have a fighting chance. Ramos learned & adapted. Spencer's game plan hasn't changed. Absloutely amazing wtestler but his weaknesses have been exposed for a while now. We just never thought we'd see it on the stage where he's god level. Congrats to Ramos & Spencer on a epic career.
This is a point in Lee’s career where he can either go uphill and get better as a result of this loss like how Gable went to whole other level after his Owings loss, or go downhill and be a small part of history like when Dean Heil lost his senior year
Outstanding match and finish, that was heart.
Wow! I did not see that coming after they awarded the takedown. I will always wonder what would have happened if there was no challenge, took a long time. Congrats to Ramos, good luck in the finals
☹️ so much sadness, gotta feel it for spencer, that’s even coming from someone with Purdue family ties
OMG, what a badass! Ramos the man, love his aggressiveness.Attacked Lee, fearless. Go win it all
This is the hypest & most charismatic I've been about a wrestling match in a long time. Holy!!
That first gator roll was hella foreshadowing on god!!! He did it the second time and got the Stick!!!! Wow hats off to both of these dude wow!!!