Sounds a lot more like rage farming and ignorance than honesty. Seems like somebody told them if they're angry like Skip or Stephen A. all the time, doesn't matter if you're accurate or even believe what you're saying. It's a shame.
Keep up the great work. I really like the content. I think you’re both understating the injuries. Name other teams that have missed more of their starting five to start the season with a whole new team? Not to mention a very young new team with so many rookies learning the the NBA. I’d say you actually give the starting five a chance to gel with a consistent bench and see what they do. Darko might need an experienced coach to help him coach
I won’t speak for Alex obviously, but the point I’ making and I believe what he’s inferring to is that one deal seemed week thought out and the other seemed based on emotion, now you can ascribe which deal to which guy but my point is that it seems like 2 different FOs made those deals.
@ pascal couldn’t keep his mouth shut about not resigning with the team that trades for him, remember? Dipped his value as an asset for this organization. The whole front office is soft for not keeping thier guys in check
These guys got weird. Aside from the fact the team has been massively injured (they're 2nd in the NBA in rookie mins!), you can see Darko is putting young guys in stretch roles to refine their skills in game settings (especially Scottie and Gradey). The banter pod is fine but this constant and out of context negativity is tiring.
2022 - traded down for Thad young --> First-round exit 2023 - traded away a 1st round pick --> Play-in exit, embarrassed by Demar's daughter But wait ... it gets better 2024 - tanking without our own pick! But hey, lets blame fans for being impatience, not front office's poor asset management Masai is Genius, Masai playing 4D chess, trust in Masai!
Honestly the negativity around the team and how they discuss it has been putting me off the content for weeks now. They constantly contradict themselves when they speak on the state of the team
These guys suck. Lu needs to stop talking about raptors. no one listens. Scottie by far the best talent we have and they continue to harp on him? Look at the roster jheese.
Get a top 4 pick, give yourself the opportunity to draft a superstar, then build around that player and scottie. Everyone else should not be considered part of the core. The team and fans need to have patience, it's going to take at lleast a few years to start seeing true results.
We already know that the starting lineup with a healthy team is not good enough. IQ is an avg defender Dick below avg defender RJB below avg defender Barnes really good defender Jakob good defender Teams are and will be picking on Dick and RJB a lot which will force the others to over extend themselves leaving players open for shots. Also Barnes is going to be a G/SF who initiates a lot of offense. If the Raps get either 1 or 2 pick this year it’s Flagg or Harper…. If they don’t get either or them then they are looking for a 2way Wing/Forward to compliment Barnes with their high pick and a depth player with their second round pick …. In either of those scenarios it will most likely push either Dick or RJB to the bench or traded at some point if the selected player develops.
Don’t really understand all the comments saying they’re being too negative 😂 are we all not watching the same product? are there not more cons than pros this season?
Alex what 3 big contracts are you talking about . RJ has 2yrs/ 52 N left on his contract. He is arguably worth that. IQ is 32.5M the same amount for 5 yrs. This Raps rebuild has young pieces w/ avg 4 yrs & better than those Cavs 3 before DM you are talking about. Cavs has no flexibilty or picks w/ 2yrs guarantee of DM. If they don't get to the ECF at minimum in next 2 yrs DM is gone. Will No we don't know if RJ is here long term. He only has 2 yrs left ln his contract.
Exactly. He's played what, 20 games into his fourth year? Without ever playing with a full starting lineup and basically a different group every game, many of whom are still quite raw. Yet, like you say, he's a #2 option on a contender. Pretty astounding tbh. Can't wait to see where he's at after gelling with a stable, talented and experienced group after a year or two.
Its no surprise to hear Darko discussing the need to establish a defensive culture right now, it shows in their game!!! totally clueless on how to defend any team that they play! theres no way u lose by 54 points unless ur competing the dream team! Every post game interview with Darko is all the same Bull shii.
A lot of these arguments make no sense. The raptors are playing rookies in 44% of the minutes. No team doing that wins. You can objectively have a max player and tank, other teams have done it, look at Philly. RJ and Scottie and among the top players for potential assists, darkos system works, just not with rookies. This whole argument that the raptors should be better, just makes 0 sense to me. There’s no good teams playing a bunch of rookies. Just because you like jakobe doesn’t mean he can outplay players like Cole Anthony, just because you don’t know his name.
Scottie is at best a Kevin Love good enough to be the third star on a team, AKA Evan Mobley role can go off any night but much rather him give you 15/5/8 on low shots and great defense.
Knicks wanted to get rid of RJ. The expectation that he would be a core player for us instead doesn’t really make sense. You don’t make wing players who can’t play defence a core player. Scottie, Gradey and Jakobe are building blocks but I wouldn’t say anyone is truly a core player outside of Scottie (for now).
I’ve seen this idea floating around Raptors spaces idea and I don’t understand it. As Raps fans we haven’t had many efficient 23ppg scorers. I really think if he’d been drafted by any other team, instead of being dragged for years by Knicks fans for not being Zion, he’d be a highly regarded player in the league. Yes he has holes in his game(the fact that he’s being asked to playmake this much doesn’t help), but guys like this don’t grow in trees.
@ He’s good for mediocre teams but to make the big leap? You can’t really have a wing player who’s a defensive sieve. Unless he’s some insane floor spacer like MPJ.
I like the honesty with these 2 and dissecting what has gone wrong and what raps need to do going forward. Keep going! 👌
Sounds a lot more like rage farming and ignorance than honesty. Seems like somebody told them if they're angry like Skip or Stephen A. all the time, doesn't matter if you're accurate or even believe what you're saying. It's a shame.
Keep up the great work. I really like the content. I think you’re both understating the injuries. Name other teams that have missed more of their starting five to start the season with a whole new team? Not to mention a very young new team with so many rookies learning the the NBA. I’d say you actually give the starting five a chance to gel with a consistent bench and see what they do. Darko might need an experienced coach to help him coach
we got blown out last night with a healthy team...
Brown was supposed to be a quick flip, but they failed on that front too.
Alex finally hit it on the head. I’ve wondered for the longest time if Bobby did one deal and Masai did the other because they were so different.
exactly everyone blames masai like I get he has last word but we do have a GM lol
They just took whatever other teams offered. Otherwise those guys were going to walk anyways.
Masai stans will try to scapegoat anyone. You think Bobby would still have a job if he did something Masai didn't want?
I won’t speak for Alex obviously, but the point I’ making and I believe what he’s inferring to is that one deal seemed week thought out and the other seemed based on emotion, now you can ascribe which deal to which guy but my point is that it seems like 2 different FOs made those deals.
@ pascal couldn’t keep his mouth shut about not resigning with the team that trades for him, remember? Dipped his value as an asset for this organization. The whole front office is soft for not keeping thier guys in check
The level of impatience is puzzling to me. Could you give it some time for Christ's sake?
These guys got weird. Aside from the fact the team has been massively injured (they're 2nd in the NBA in rookie mins!), you can see Darko is putting young guys in stretch roles to refine their skills in game settings (especially Scottie and Gradey).
The banter pod is fine but this constant and out of context negativity is tiring.
2022 - traded down for Thad young --> First-round exit
2023 - traded away a 1st round pick --> Play-in exit, embarrassed by Demar's daughter
But wait ... it gets better
2024 - tanking without our own pick!
But hey, lets blame fans for being impatience, not front office's poor asset management
Masai is Genius, Masai playing 4D chess, trust in Masai!
Honestly the negativity around the team and how they discuss it has been putting me off the content for weeks now. They constantly contradict themselves when they speak on the state of the team
These guys suck. Lu needs to stop talking about raptors. no one listens. Scottie by far the best talent we have and they continue to harp on him? Look at the roster jheese.
It's been 4 years u goofball
not will reminding me of my disappointed asian dad (who is also a capricorn) 😭
Is it really a “rebuild” when you have a “max player” already signed on your rosters? Alex hit the nail on the head.
Yes? The mavericks tanked with Luka on the team these arguments make no sense
@ Ya, they did, for the last 2 weeks of the season… relax
@@yg7935 they were a playoff team that purposely missed the entire post season, it’s way more than a 2 week tank.
@@TroyKnights-cm9je they literally threw the last to games of the season to avoid being a play-in team. Thats not a tank. Dont @ me.
@ it is objectively a tank, everyone knows it as a tank and you can google it right now and see numerous articles on the tank. I’ll @ you if I want.
Get a top 4 pick, give yourself the opportunity to draft a superstar, then build around that player and scottie. Everyone else should not be considered part of the core. The team and fans need to have patience, it's going to take at lleast a few years to start seeing true results.
Scottie is not a max player. He is a number 2 or number 3 on a championship team.
Number 2 and 3's on championship teams are usually max players.
They played well in the begining of the season but It's been horrendous the last couple of weeks
Come on guys how many lottery picks are playing for the Magic Cavs OKC please
We already know that the starting lineup with a healthy team is not good enough.
IQ is an avg defender
Dick below avg defender
RJB below avg defender
Barnes really good defender
Jakob good defender
Teams are and will be picking on Dick and RJB a lot which will force the others to over extend themselves leaving players open for shots.
Also Barnes is going to be a G/SF who initiates a lot of offense. If the Raps get either 1 or 2 pick this year it’s Flagg or Harper…. If they don’t get either or them then they are looking for a 2way Wing/Forward to compliment Barnes with their high pick and a depth player with their second round pick …. In either of those scenarios it will most likely push either Dick or RJB to the bench or traded at some point if the selected player develops.
Don’t really understand all the comments saying they’re being too negative 😂 are we all not watching the same product? are there not more cons than pros this season?
Alex what 3 big contracts are you talking about . RJ has 2yrs/ 52 N left on his contract. He is arguably worth that. IQ is 32.5M the same amount for 5 yrs. This Raps rebuild has young pieces w/ avg 4 yrs & better than those Cavs 3 before DM you are talking about. Cavs has no flexibilty or picks w/ 2yrs guarantee of DM. If they don't get to the ECF at minimum in next 2 yrs DM is gone. Will No we don't know if RJ is here long term. He only has 2 yrs left ln his contract.
An 8 win team struggling to capture last place; the absolute state of the EC NBA
Scottie is yr 4, he has not shown enough improvement to think he will be all-nba level. He is at best a #2 on a contender.
Exactly. He's played what, 20 games into his fourth year? Without ever playing with a full starting lineup and basically a different group every game, many of whom are still quite raw. Yet, like you say, he's a #2 option on a contender. Pretty astounding tbh. Can't wait to see where he's at after gelling with a stable, talented and experienced group after a year or two.
Alex Wong always finding a way to mention Bill Simmons every episode is almost as bad as Bill always finding a way to mention the Celtics
Here’s a question Will & Alex…what are you selling?
Its no surprise to hear Darko discussing the need to establish a defensive culture right now, it shows in their game!!! totally clueless on how to defend any team that they play! theres no way u lose by 54 points unless ur competing the dream team! Every post game interview with Darko is all the same Bull shii.
A lot of these arguments make no sense. The raptors are playing rookies in 44% of the minutes. No team doing that wins. You can objectively have a max player and tank, other teams have done it, look at Philly. RJ and Scottie and among the top players for potential assists, darkos system works, just not with rookies. This whole argument that the raptors should be better, just makes 0 sense to me. There’s no good teams playing a bunch of rookies. Just because you like jakobe doesn’t mean he can outplay players like Cole Anthony, just because you don’t know his name.
why do you think that RJ is guaranteed to be here long term? why are you locking everyone in?
Wow a « les boys » hockey shirt! Québec repressnt
Scottie is at best a Kevin Love good enough to be the third star on a team, AKA Evan Mobley role can go off any night but much rather him give you 15/5/8 on low shots and great defense.
Brady and Jacoby never be stars but will be serviceable
Knicks wanted to get rid of RJ. The expectation that he would be a core player for us instead doesn’t really make sense.
You don’t make wing players who can’t play defence a core player. Scottie, Gradey and Jakobe are building blocks but I wouldn’t say anyone is truly a core player outside of Scottie (for now).
I’ve seen this idea floating around Raptors spaces idea and I don’t understand it. As Raps fans we haven’t had many efficient 23ppg scorers.
I really think if he’d been drafted by any other team, instead of being dragged for years by Knicks fans for not being Zion, he’d be a highly regarded player in the league.
Yes he has holes in his game(the fact that he’s being asked to playmake this much doesn’t help), but guys like this don’t grow in trees.
@ He’s good for mediocre teams but to make the big leap? You can’t really have a wing player who’s a defensive sieve. Unless he’s some insane floor spacer like MPJ.
Tank!?!?! Come on they have a talent drain they can’t win they try hard
Trade Scottie?
"Obviously" the defence is trash.