I so appreciate this! One year after my grandmother died, someone not of our family in a different state did her work! 😢 We are the only members in the family. Also, a woman contacted me on line wanting to do a direct ancestor I was working on. She said she was doing the work for her " divorced husband!" When I told her I was working on that direct line, she got annoyingly insistent. So glad for these new rules!
Thank you so much , Bro. Givens for carefully explaining these numerous and rather complicated changes. It has been very helpful. The way I see it, this is the Lord’s church and any changes made are good faith efforts to further His work in gathering Israel on both sides of the veil. I am grateful for the help. I am sure the hearts of most, if not all, temple patrons are in the right place, but we don’t always know what or how to do the work correctly and mistakes get made innocently. Family Search is constantly working to improve and make things easier for us and making sure things are done correctly. I, for one, am very grateful. When the guideline are clearly set, there is less guesswork and my time can be better spent in furthering the work.
Dear Bro. Givens, thank you so much for your excellent videos explaining the Family Search tool. I was so impressed with the quality of your presentations. We are now subscribed. 😊
Thank you for this clear and concise explanation of the newly clarified policy. As a newly called Ward FH Consultant, this information is important to share with others.
I only do my ancestors and my husband’s. I learned to share EVERYTHING with the temple since if I only reserve them and I die it locks them into reserved status and no one can do them until the reservation expires; but if I didn’t share it, it goes back to just sitting there waiting for someone else related to find them and re-reserve them, and if they don’t do the work in that amount of time it goes back to unreserved and waiting to be found again. If I reserve them and immediately share them they are available FOREVER and they are on the covenant path until their work is complete. Which is simple, doesn’t expire, and I can use the help.
That is a great approach to reserving and sharing people that have undone work. Of course if you need an ancestor to do you can always go to those shared relatives and print one.
I also share all names with the temple so that someone, anyone can do them, never reserve a name, which blocks them from being done,,sooner by someone else. and if I die without doing it, their name falls back into the dust bin and NOT get done.at all
@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSCWhy are the Mormons going around telling people that they are the church that Jesus started, But if you read the Bible and have knowledge of the Bible you know they are lying and misleading people with lies, The Mormons are telling people that they hold the priesthood that's a lie also again the proves their are lying
So glad that the relationship calculator has been improved. I’m a direct descendant of William the conqueror through bad King John. 😂 This has also allowed me to see how I am related to a classmate who died in 2013. I can’t do her work but can seal her parents. (All their other ordinances have been done.). Thanks for this very informative video.
I also come down from William. My Great-grandmother was a McCoy. The McCoy line goes back to so many clans that I can't keep track. Which means we also come down from Rollo the Duke of Normandy. My DNA shows that I have a lot of Scottish. My father also has Scottish, but he was adopted so I really only know my McCoy line.
Nina, your line until William the conqueror is proved by reliable sources or only speculation or probability? I am probably a descendant of a companion of William the conqueror. But that is only probability as wrote the french official royal genealogist (D'Hozier) who was the one appointed by the king of France in the 1700th to do such genealogical researches.
My daughter was taking my granddaughter to the temple for her first temple experience. I got online to prepare the cards for her to do the work for my older sister. Someone in Utah did the work already! We were devastated. This was my sister! 😢I am receiving prompts from Family Search telling me an ancestor needs to have work done - but I have already done the work for the names I am receiving! I can tell by the spellings that they are taking names from each census and putting them out there to have work done! FamilySearch is a mess!
My father was born in Sanger. We lived in Fresno when I was 4 years old while Kennecott was on strike. I have lots of family in the Clovis / Fresno area. Nicely done video.
the one thing I wish they would STRESS is DOCUMENTATION...I spend a lot of time correcting with document the errors over anctious people put in so " THEY CAN GET THE WORK DONE" I have a 100 year old Aunt living in Houston that two women keep saying is dead.. I talk to my cousin to verify and shortly after her birthday I called to verify and he said she just had three parties..1 with family ..one with church members ..one at her care center.
I know how you feel. One day around the age of 60 I went online and found out that both my sister and I were deceased. I had a hard time proving to family search that I was alive. The person who made us deceased had to fix it. It was a good thing he had his email on the website. I can't believe that people are so irresponsible for failing to really do a little research.
This new way is giving me WAY more people to do temple work for. People I had no idea were my relatives. I don't have any ownership over persons I find - but I add them to Family Search so they are searchable for relatives. ( I really don't need more family members, I have 14 grandparents and their ancestors. 7 paternal and 7 maternal).
It would’ve been so helpful and the right thing to do if sealings to spouses had been blocked from being done until all of the other work had been done. Also, I have found many people that have no living descendants. Sometimes the work will be done up until the endowment. The endowment is the hardest thing to get done, in my experience. Many times all the work comes to a complete halt for decades when it gets to that. Also, when merging I’ve found that when the temple work has been done twice it doesn’t just pick up the oldest ordinances. I feel that the oldest should be maintained and not a mix. Right now it’s a mixture of old and new. This is so frustrating because it’s a historical record and I want to know the oldest, not of the newest. There are so many problems that need to be addressed and these new changes are very complicated to me.
Gathering is real and redeeming the dead is the goal. I’d honestly don’t care if I’m directly related or not we are all sons and daughters of our father in heaven. It just doesn’t matter.
@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSC Right. And it matters, for example, to the person who posted a comment here saying that when she went to reserve her sister’s ordinances she found that someone else had already done them. She was robbed!
Yes, I consider my shared with the temple list as my ordinance bank. Since these people are shared anyone can do their work AND I can always go in and unshare a person and print the card and do an ordinance for a person I have shared.
I have multiple lines where I am sure my ancestors is one of two possibilities and can't confirm which. That is the only issue I can see in my research that isn't spelled out in these new harder stance on policy
I am glad to see research changes. I do have a question slightly off topic. If a person in the tree has all work done except sealing and in example mother has all work done but father still needs endowment done am I supposed to wait until father has work completed before I can seal that child to parents? Thanks much.
Either find a brother to do his endowment, make sure he is shared with the temple so it might get picked up and done. Then, yes the endowment needs to be done before sealing s can be done. (Temple and Family History consultant and temple ordinance worker)
@@tericamcginnis5848 Actually under the current guidelines children can be sealed to parents who still need temple work to be finished before that work is done. Yes, the ordinance won't be in affect until the work gets done but you can do the ordinance now.
@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSC thank you for confirming that. I am in a situation where I just have to do temple work on faith. I do the women and then wait for the men to be picked up.
@@DenieseDrakeWhy are the Mormons saying they are the church that Jesus started but the church that Jesus started was started in the desert of Sinai in northeast Africa and it was removed the 9 tribes by the Assyrians in 721 BC, and Judah Benjamin and Levi were taken first by Nebuchadnezzar and then in 70 AD by the Romans Many were killed and some fled into Africa so how are the Mormons the when Jesus scattered his church
Brother Givens, I live in the Mobile Alabama Stake and we have started using your videos for training. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. I do have a question. What about someone who was sealed to her parents, and sibling. The stepmother became the children's mother {with a legal court record}. Then later at the age of 70 one of the daughters took a DNA test. The test showed that the father was not the biological father? DNA has really played havoc with the family tree. She now has a completely different family and family tree and is desiring to work on that biological line. Can she do temple work for that direct line?
Thank you for the kind comments - I am glad my classes help. Life loves to throw curves at us. One of the articles I quoted in this presentation says the approved related ancestral lines you can work on include - blood lines (like through DNA), step lines, foster lines, and adopted lines. That covers just about all the bases. In your case who to seal your friend to is convoluted. While she is alive she can be sealed to any of the above people (birth, step, adopted or foster) parents - what matters is that she gets sealed - who to isn't as important as the Lord will sort this all out on the other side base on worthiness, etc. The child sealing is really only for the child not the "parents."
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK: Why am I not able to do my sister’s and brother's mother? I'm the only member in all my mother's and father's family? Thanks for this video and explanations.
That is the policy but your sister or brother's children or any blood relatives of the mother can do her work. (Some probably would need permission.) I am assuming your siblings have a different mother than you. I have 3 half-sibs too.
I think you can do your half-sister's mother by a different theory. You have a common father, and as I understand, you can do the individual work for all of your father's spouses. Including her sealing to her parents, but no further back.
@@charleshowell6867 But don't forget to check your Step-mother's as an individual in the "My relation ship" button. I did this for three different people way back in my line (5 or 6 generations) and the 'unrelated' person came up a 'related' on an entirely different line. One of those with a 13th century common ancestor. As the saying goes "never assume anything"
I added a distant relative's child who died shortly after birth. In th3 1940s. While the parent's were members, their own temple work was done after their death. However, everyone forgot about this baby until I added her. One of the baby's first cousins was able to get permission from the baby's sibling. While I didnt do the temple work, I feel both she and her parents are just as grateful to me for finding her as the person that did the sealing. Isnt that what really matters? The worst thing I see is that people reserve names and never do them? One relative reserved sealings 4 years ago and then he dued about 8 months ago, but I have to wait almost another year before the reservation expires. That is another thing members dont realuze. ALL reserved temple work has expiration dates! And there are dufferent rules that determine when they expire
So many convoluted rules. And all of it, ultimately, is to prevent stepping on anyone's toes, and taking away their opportunity to do the work for their own family member. But you know what? This work is not about me. It's about delivering my deceased people from the pain and torment of the spirit prison. And if an unrelated person can get that done faster than I can, then more power to them. It's not about me. Why make someone in the spirit prison wait in pain an extra 100 years, when they can be delivered NOW? Where's the compassion and charity in that?
Not sure if this fits your comment. I was working on identifying more details of my grandfather's sister who died in infancy. When we found that she was never given a name I was going to reserve her to speak her to her parents, my great grandfather. Someone on a temple mission not related to them reserved her before I could. I reached out and ask them to unreserve since I'm a direct related descendant they weren't. They replied that they would but didn't and did her work. That is totally wrong to do. I have and aunt, same line recently deceased with children stating not to do her work. Someone not related to us at all reserved her name to do her work. This one is wrong on many levels. 1. She was born less than the required 120 years. 2 they're not related to her and ignored the lock not to do her work. Stay within your ancestors.
I lost out on doing my grandparents work simply because I hadn’t joined the church yet. I don’t know who did the work, but I know they didn’t get permission from my parents or me. I know that it’s ultimately about the work getting done but I REALLY wanted to do their work. So, I find your comment rather callous …
I see your concern, but: 1) I agree with the other commenter that time doesn’t exist in the spirit world. 2) Those spirits still have to accept the gospel first, or the ordinance doesn’t matter anyway. 3) There are those who don’t want the church doing work for their relatives, and we don’t want to upset or offend them, or have lawsuits brought etc. We want to be good and considerate friends and neighbors. We have a “legitimate” right to do the work for our own bloodline though. 4) I think that the work we’re doing now is a drop in the ocean compared to the work that will be done during the 1000 years of the millennium. As much work as is being done now, it’s a mere fraction of a fraction of what needs to be accomplished. Perhaps the work we’re doing now is really more about our own spiritual growth and protection than theirs, and is laying the ground work for the millennium?
Is there a phone number and time that a person can ask specific questions? My father was adopted. There are things wrong with my file that are not correct. We have found out things through DNA that we didn't originally know. I would like to change what needs to be changed.
FamilySearch support is no longer 24/7 on phones. The answer to your question depends on where you live. Go to the FamilySearch.org web page and sign in. Then click on the help icon (question mark inside a circle.) One the drop down click on contact us and follow the prompts. You will be given directions for contacting support for the area of the world where you live.
This just means my children and I will have no names to take to the temple anymore. I come from pioneer stock (every single line) and there is NO work to be done unless I can do the families related by marriage. What a shame.
Heavens no. No possible way. Go back to any ancestor. Now do their descendency view. Now you'll have many many lines to look at. Cousins. Distant. Then search for records and you'll always be able to add more people. It's seriously going to take the millennium, even for those of us from pioneer stock.
@@cindlou7335 I wish what you're saying is true, and it probably is for most people, but not for me. There are no more names that qualify for me to take them to the temple according to the new rules. The best I could hope for before these new changes was that I could find a distant cousin with a second or third spouse whose family hadn't been discovered. But now those are off limits. The days of finding a person, and taking their name to the temple are gone for me and my children with these new rules.
@cellorobynbrown I think there is a misunderstanding here. I hope somebody can help you work this out. Please believe me, we aren't going to run out of names to do...do your distant cousins!
The section on divorced spouses in the system concerns me a bit. My Great Grandmother is sealed to both of her husbands after her death in accordance with policy. She was divorced from her first husband and that’s who my genetic line is through. I didn’t just get “unrelated” to my family line because of a divorce from the 1930’s right?
If the spouse is your ancestor you can do their work and their ancestral line work even if they were divorced from your great grandmother. This undivorced spouse pertains to a situation where wife wants to do the work for her divorced husband's family. Once they are divorced his family are no longer considered part of the wife's family. The wife can't submit these people but if the couple had children the children could request to do the work, or other blood relatives of the divorced husband can request to do the work.
Brother Givens - what is the best way to report fictional or fraudulant submissions to FamilySearch? I'm not asking about mistakes, but about trees created from thin air, tacked on at random places?
I still need to understand the definition of what is a "living close family member'. I have a half-sister who was adopted by my grandparents. Who is considered the living close family member - me, her half-brother, or her surviving 2 children?
One exception is for people wirh the same surname living in the same small locality as your ancestors - must be an area where there are few records. You have to contact help and they will walk you through how to get permission.
what if my exhusband died before we got back together. but we both desired to keep our sealing. can that mean his ancestors are still my relatives. and what if my son who is definitely related has a female in his line. can it be allowed for me to do her temple work?
@@leannetidwell-schlegel7478My understanding is your son can reserve the ordinance because he is related. Then he can share it with the temple, you, or anyone else.
Thank you for the video. One thing the policy and your video did not address is genetic genealogy and unlinked family clusters. In other words, DNA based research. There are times when you can determine through dna a line of relatives who you know descend from your 4th great grandfather for example. But you do not know who the 4th great grandfather is because there are no records for that time and location. So, you may have 100 descendants of this 4th ggpa. You would know with 100% certainty they are his descendants and therefore your relatives. But in family search it does not show you as related because you cannot enter a 4th ggpa because you do not know any info about him. You can also find solid documentation for every one of the 100 descendants that are your relatives. I submitted this very example to family search Dec 10, the day the policy came out. They replied with a policy that says dna research is not a substitute for traditional record research and denied the request. This showed a lack of understanding of genetic genealogy because I was not using it to substitute for traditional research. I had solid documentation attached to every name of my relative I was requesting to submit the temple work for. (This is just one example. I e also used dna research to find several adopted peoples families. In some cases I can identify many people from their grandparent and older for several generations, but I can’t determine which brother is their father. With this policy, they cannot do the work. I also helped a lady in our ward find 70 of her ancestors from a village that was bombed in ww1 and all records were destroyed. We know many descendants of her 3rd gg parents, but we don’t know the 3rd ggpas name. That she is related is 100% certain based on the dna, but she cannot submit their work under this new policy. These exceptions are 100% proof that the submitter is related. There appears to be an exception for same surname living in a known ancestors location; in that exception, you only “probably “ know they are your ancestor. But with enough dna evidence, you can know with 100% certainty exactly how they are related to you. But you can’t get approval to do the work- in my opinion- it appears to be because the people overseeing the administrative policy don’t fully understand genetic genealogy. Any suggestions for how to get beyond the help desk at family search and talk to someone who understands genetic genealogy?
We can't do distant aunts, uncles and cousins that are over 110 years? Is it safe to submit names that are green? meaning we are related. I didn't see anything about our 110 years old cousins, aunts and uncles. There is no way we could get permission.
Go to the help center at FamilySearch and read the article "How do I request ordinances for an ancestor who was born in the last 110 years?" It will walk you through the process.
If you mean to reserve ordinances - yes, you need to be related. If you mean to take ordinances to the temple - no - you can actually do the work for anyone in Tree - but the person who initially reserves the person that patron has to be related to the deceased relative.
This is a sad change. I can no longer submit the names of my ancestors' siblings, etc. We were getting so much work done. Now we can do very little to none because we have worked so far back on our direct lines that we can find no more records. I thought the goal was to save our ancestors, not "claim" ordinances for ourselves. Truly sad.
Indeed. 110 year is just a hindrance, now they put another stumbling back for those beyond. I am an avid submitter, but with this new policy, I no longer have any motivation to do Family Search.
This is good. There is someone submitting work for my family. I’m sure their intentions were good but their info hasn’t been correct and now I have to go back and redo a lot. They are making guesses on relationship info for relatives I knew firsthand as a child. Their data mining denies my now adult children that are now showing interest for doing work for their direct relatives, just because some unknown long distant cousin of a cousin on the other side of the country has been handling out our names for my immediate family lines for years. It’s frustrating and slows down what is already a difficult job for me to clean up.
Thank you for reaching out. Have you tried contact this person and 1. help them do better research and 2. Ask if they would allow you to do the reserving of names in this line? It is a challenge as this is a cooperative tree.
All of this info is extremely helpful. Thank you. In my case, there is someone who is not a member of the Church, who has been adding names on family search. I realize that anyone can add or change info on family tree, but this person has been taking out people I know I'm related to and replacing them with names of others and building back from there. They have no sources listed. I'm pretty sure I already did the Temple work for my 2nd great grandfather, but this person has removed him from the tree and added someone in his place. What can I do about that?
Personally I do understand the reason for this new policy and it make sense to me but at the same time here are my concerns. My family is from Ukraine. My brother and I are doing all the work for our side of the family. There are not many members of the church in Ukraine, especially now since the war started 3 years ago. In addition, there are not a lot of archive documents available. We are lucky to be working with approximately 5 different villages. And we have microfilms available and are able to add all the peope directly to Family search regardless if they are direct ancestors. Our direct line is pretty much done. We do know that eveyone was related to each other in those villages, they were military installations and people were relocated from northern parts of Russian Empire to the Southern borders. Anyway, since we are hastening the work, why can't we help those who need help? I am not speaking about the USA but rather about Ukraine in our case? The one thing I don't see the logic in is this: The names previously reserved by me get released to the temple system after the reservation date expires. And then... The temples pick up those names and the work is still getting done for those peope who were previously reserved by me. If I am not related to then directly and can't do the work for those people than why the temple system can do the work for them? Relatives didn't reserve the names but the work is still getting done. I hope it make sense. Quesiron #2: If the temple work is done for the direct line but we encourage the youth to bring their family names to the temple for baptisms - where can they find and reserve the names? What is motivating the yourh to do the temple work if they can't research and bring names for the baptisms to the temple? Especially the youth with pioneer heritage. Example - my niece went to the temple today for the first time and we had to work very hard to find any family names for her to do. We have 8 kids between my brothe and I. 5 of them go to the temple regularly to do baptisms - they want to do Ukrainian names. How can we encourage them to keep researching and taking names to the temple? Again, I understand the reason for this policy but at the same time there are so many flaws with it and counterproductive results. Thank you for reading 🙏❤️
The system is messed up. Even my own name has me born to a step-father, not my real dad. I can’t get it fixed because the woman who submitted it is sure she is correct even when i tell her that i know who my own father is. If i submit birth certificates and marriage licenses they will correct it but that is so labor intensive i refuse. It shouldn’t be this hard
This is my problem .yes ive done work for friends not in the church. Not them cuz the death isnt 100 years but somwone i could do. Same reasons stated to gwt them out of prison. How is this any different then being given A name at the Temple who doesnt belong to me. Based on that i feel i did nothing wrong. The people who where my friends come feom long backgeounds of churchs who would very unlikely convert to our church. The hatred is to high
I’m not sure I appreciate the constant changes. My jury is still out on this. Too often “policy” conflicts with our mission to gather Israel and so many of us do not have so called traditional relationships. I have little confidence’s in the system changes. And each change messes up the outcome results. Example I had to do my aunt Millie’s work four times before it registered completed. I have found we r more concerned with legal liabilities rather than our mission to gather Israel. So not respecting our right to claim relationship prevents work that is actually legitimate because definition of related may not “fit” definition. Again the techs of family search are not very helpful. So I will hope I am wrong.
I was disappointed in the derogatory approach you presented regarding those who had submitted non-direct persons. You could not know for sure that they had the "attitude" you suggested. Further, they may have had permission from both living and those who had passed away to do work for those lines who belonged to other's direct relationships. Please be more kind about his in the future.
This is so very discouraging. There is no way we can encourage or define why our teens and others should get excited over the work. I hv always but one time been given permission by close relatives to do work. And this doesn’t feel spiritual but only to cover church liability. Satan in full possession of getting his workout forward.
But our mission is thwarted as lawyer rather than prophets have begun to “project” rather than “be prophetic” an AI algorithm decides for us and this messes up legitimately complied with rules rather than the spirit or power of priesthood tools. Confuse us more. Make it more difficult for us and therefore thwart Gods work be fearful of legal ramifications rather than move it faith and conviction.
But our mission is thwarted as lawyer rather than prophets have begun to “project” rather than “be prophetic” an AI algorithm decides for us and this messes up legitimately complied with rules rather than the spirit or power of priesthood tools. Confuse us more. Make it more difficult for us and therefore thwart Gods work be fearful of legal ramifications rather than move it faith and conviction.
All the above being said and shared and hoped some compassionate ears and hearts r listening to reform for ease of work instead of tiring our hands with some politically correct straight jacket. I will desperately search to be successful and increase my submissions having faith we r doing Gods work and He is in charge. so I will comply though it seems none of us will hv a choice but to comply (whose plan was that) and do what work will be allowed to do. Hey maybe I’m already complying and do notrealize it bec I already ask and get permission and usually impediments are in the program so maybe this won’t be as big of a change as I sense it may be. God be with us. Help us be prolifically successful even wearing a legal liability encumbering straight jacket.
@@margaretbianculli2791 99% of this is just beginning to enforce rules that have been there all along - really not new rules. Plus now the definition of who you can show relationship has been expanded (back in time and now including your undivorced spouses family) - so actually this should be a net positive situation.
@@beeapprentice2725 Thank you - there are times I wish I could talk faster but my brain can only go so fast. I did get a chuckle out of this and the suggestion is great. Now if I could only find that setting in my brain.
I so appreciate this! One year after my grandmother died, someone not of our family in a different state did her work! 😢 We are the only members in the family. Also, a woman contacted me on line wanting to do a direct ancestor I was working on. She said she was doing the work for her " divorced husband!" When I told her I was working on that direct line, she got annoyingly insistent. So glad for these new rules!
Thank you so much , Bro. Givens for carefully explaining these numerous and rather complicated changes. It has been very helpful. The way I see it, this is the Lord’s church and any changes made are good faith efforts to further His work in gathering Israel on both sides of the veil. I am grateful for the help. I am sure the hearts of most, if not all, temple patrons are in the right place, but we don’t always know what or how to do the work correctly and mistakes get made innocently. Family Search is constantly working to improve and make things easier for us and making sure things are done correctly. I, for one, am very grateful. When the guideline are clearly set, there is less guesswork and my time can be better spent in furthering the work.
Sister Farnsworth, I share your opinion and thank you for putting those thoughts so sweetly into words. God bless!!
I'm addicted to church videos. These brothers are such a blessing to all of us! Muito obrigada!
Dear Bro. Givens, thank you so much for your excellent videos explaining the Family Search tool. I was so impressed with the quality of your presentations. We are now subscribed. 😊
Thank you for this clear and concise explanation of the newly clarified policy. As a newly called Ward FH Consultant, this information is important to share with others.
I only do my ancestors and my husband’s. I learned to share EVERYTHING with the temple since if I only reserve them and I die it locks them into reserved status and no one can do them until the reservation expires; but if I didn’t share it, it goes back to just sitting there waiting for someone else related to find them and re-reserve them, and if they don’t do the work in that amount of time it goes back to unreserved and waiting to be found again. If I reserve them and immediately share them they are available FOREVER and they are on the covenant path until their work is complete. Which is simple, doesn’t expire, and I can use the help.
That is a great approach to reserving and sharing people that have undone work. Of course if you need an ancestor to do you can always go to those shared relatives and print one.
I also share all names with the temple so that someone, anyone can do them, never reserve a name, which blocks them from being done,,sooner by someone else. and if I die without doing it, their name falls back into the dust bin and NOT get done.at all
@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSCWhy are the Mormons going around telling people that they are the church that Jesus started, But if you read the Bible and have knowledge of the Bible you know they are lying and misleading people with lies, The Mormons are telling people that they hold the priesthood that's a lie also again the proves their are lying
I like your very clear explanations. Thanks so much!
Great information and clearly explained. Thanks
So glad that the relationship calculator has been improved. I’m a direct descendant of William the conqueror through bad King
John. 😂
This has also allowed me to see how I am related to a classmate who died in 2013. I can’t do her work but can seal her parents. (All their other ordinances have been done.).
Thanks for this very informative video.
I also come down from William. My Great-grandmother was a McCoy. The McCoy line goes back to so many clans that I can't keep track. Which means we also come down from Rollo the Duke of Normandy. My DNA shows that I have a lot of Scottish. My father also has Scottish, but he was adopted so I really only know my McCoy line.
Nina, your line until William the conqueror is proved by reliable sources or only speculation or probability? I am probably a descendant of a companion of William the conqueror. But that is only probability as wrote the french official royal genealogist (D'Hozier) who was the one appointed by the king of France in the 1700th to do such genealogical researches.
I don’t live in the Fresno area, but I stumbled upon this video. Thank-you very much for posting this video. You explain things clearly.
My daughter was taking my granddaughter to the temple for her first temple experience. I got online to prepare the cards for her to do the work for my older sister. Someone in Utah did the work already! We were devastated. This was my sister! 😢I am receiving prompts from Family Search telling me an ancestor needs to have work done - but I have already done the work for the names I am receiving! I can tell by the spellings that they are taking names from each census and putting them out there to have work done! FamilySearch is a mess!
I am finding the same problem
Clear and informative - Thank you!
My father was born in Sanger. We lived in Fresno when I was 4 years old while Kennecott was on strike. I have lots of family in the Clovis / Fresno area.
Nicely done video.
Same ❤
the one thing I wish they would STRESS is DOCUMENTATION...I spend a lot of time correcting with document the errors over anctious people put in so " THEY CAN GET THE WORK DONE" I have a 100 year old Aunt living in Houston that two women keep saying is dead..
I talk to my cousin to verify and shortly after her birthday I called to verify and he said she just had three parties..1 with family ..one with church members ..one at her care center.
I know how you feel. One day around the age of 60 I went online and found out that both my sister and I were deceased. I had a hard time proving to family search that I was alive. The person who made us deceased had to fix it. It was a good thing he had his email on the website. I can't believe that people are so irresponsible for failing to really do a little research.
Thank you so very much! This has definitely clarified many of my questions!
This new way is giving me WAY more people to do temple work for. People I had no idea were my relatives. I don't have any ownership over persons I find - but I add them to Family Search so they are searchable for relatives. ( I really don't need more family members, I have 14 grandparents and their ancestors. 7 paternal and 7 maternal).
It would’ve been so helpful and the right thing to do if sealings to spouses had been blocked from being done until all of the other work had been done. Also, I have found many people that have no living descendants. Sometimes the work will be done up until the endowment. The endowment is the hardest thing to get done, in my experience. Many times all the work comes to a complete halt for decades when it gets to that.
Also, when merging I’ve found that when the temple work has been done twice it doesn’t just pick up the oldest ordinances. I feel that the oldest should be maintained and not a mix. Right now it’s a mixture of old and new. This is so frustrating because it’s a historical record and I want to know the oldest, not of the newest.
There are so many problems that need to be addressed and these new changes are very complicated to me.
Gathering is real and redeeming the dead is the goal. I’d honestly don’t care if I’m directly related or not we are all sons and daughters of our father in heaven. It just doesn’t matter.
It matters to the Brethren as they have developed this policy for us to follow. Just saying.
@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSC Right. And it matters, for example, to the person who posted a comment here saying that when she went to reserve her sister’s ordinances she found that someone else had already done them. She was robbed!
@@jeantolman7660she should be grateful....and do someone elses.....
Enlightening. Thank you.
This helps our understanding on how the system works. Better to share when you can.
Yes, I consider my shared with the temple list as my ordinance bank. Since these people are shared anyone can do their work AND I can always go in and unshare a person and print the card and do an ordinance for a person I have shared.
Very informative. Thank you
I have multiple lines where I am sure my ancestors is one of two possibilities and can't confirm which. That is the only issue I can see in my research that isn't spelled out in these new harder stance on policy
Millennial Reign is set for doing temple work. We will need the whole time but we will get there.
Amen!
I agree ❤
Nice to learn about my ancestor Isaac Morley.
He played a big role in the history of my Carter Family from Kirtland to Utah.
I am glad to see research changes. I do have a question slightly off topic. If a person in the tree has all work done except sealing and in example mother has all work done but father still needs endowment done am I supposed to wait until father has work completed before I can seal that child to parents? Thanks much.
Either find a brother to do his endowment, make sure he is shared with the temple so it might get picked up and done. Then, yes the endowment needs to be done before sealing s can be done. (Temple and Family History consultant and temple ordinance worker)
@@tericamcginnis5848 Actually under the current guidelines children can be sealed to parents who still need temple work to be finished before that work is done. Yes, the ordinance won't be in affect until the work gets done but you can do the ordinance now.
@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSC thank you for confirming that. I am in a situation where I just have to do temple work on faith. I do the women and then wait for the men to be picked up.
@@DenieseDrakeWhy are the Mormons saying they are the church that Jesus started but the church that Jesus started was started in the desert of Sinai in northeast Africa and it was removed the 9 tribes by the Assyrians in 721 BC, and Judah Benjamin and Levi were taken first by Nebuchadnezzar and then in 70 AD by the Romans Many were killed and some fled into Africa so how are the Mormons the when Jesus scattered his church
@@DenieseDrakesame here ❤️
Brother Givens, I live in the Mobile Alabama Stake and we have started using your videos for training. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. I do have a question. What about someone who was sealed to her parents, and sibling. The stepmother became the children's mother {with a legal court record}. Then later at the age of 70 one of the daughters took a DNA test. The test showed that the father was not the biological father? DNA has really played havoc with the family tree. She now has a completely different family and family tree and is desiring to work on that biological line. Can she do temple work for that direct line?
Thank you for the kind comments - I am glad my classes help. Life loves to throw curves at us. One of the articles I quoted in this presentation says the approved related ancestral lines you can work on include - blood lines (like through DNA), step lines, foster lines, and adopted lines. That covers just about all the bases. In your case who to seal your friend to is convoluted. While she is alive she can be sealed to any of the above people (birth, step, adopted or foster) parents - what matters is that she gets sealed - who to isn't as important as the Lord will sort this all out on the other side base on worthiness, etc. The child sealing is really only for the child not the "parents."
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK: Why am I not able to do my sister’s and brother's mother? I'm the only member in all my mother's and father's family? Thanks for this video and explanations.
That is the policy but your sister or brother's children or any blood relatives of the mother can do her work. (Some probably would need permission.) I am assuming your siblings have a different mother than you. I have 3 half-sibs too.
@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSC Assuming they are members of the Church.
I think you can do your half-sister's mother by a different theory. You have a common father, and as I understand, you can do the individual work for all of your father's spouses. Including her sealing to her parents, but no further back.
@@charleshowell6867 But don't forget to check your Step-mother's as an individual in the "My relation ship" button. I did this for three different people way back in my line (5 or 6 generations) and the 'unrelated' person came up a 'related' on an entirely different line. One of those with a 13th century common ancestor. As the saying goes "never assume anything"
I added a distant relative's child who died shortly after birth. In th3 1940s. While the parent's were members, their own temple work was done after their death. However, everyone forgot about this baby until I added her. One of the baby's first cousins was able to get permission from the baby's sibling. While I didnt do the temple work, I feel both she and her parents are just as grateful to me for finding her as the person that did the sealing. Isnt that what really matters?
The worst thing I see is that people reserve names and never do them? One relative reserved sealings 4 years ago and then he dued about 8 months ago, but I have to wait almost another year before the reservation expires. That is another thing members dont realuze. ALL reserved temple work has expiration dates! And there are dufferent rules that determine when they expire
Thank you!
So many convoluted rules. And all of it, ultimately, is to prevent stepping on anyone's toes, and taking away their opportunity to do the work for their own family member. But you know what? This work is not about me. It's about delivering my deceased people from the pain and torment of the spirit prison. And if an unrelated person can get that done faster than I can, then more power to them. It's not about me. Why make someone in the spirit prison wait in pain an extra 100 years, when they can be delivered NOW? Where's the compassion and charity in that?
Not sure if this fits your comment. I was working on identifying more details of my grandfather's sister who died in infancy. When we found that she was never given a name I was going to reserve her to speak her to her parents, my great grandfather. Someone on a temple mission not related to them reserved her before I could. I reached out and ask them to unreserve since I'm a direct related descendant they weren't. They replied that they would but didn't and did her work. That is totally wrong to do. I have and aunt, same line recently deceased with children stating not to do her work. Someone not related to us at all reserved her name to do her work. This one is wrong on many levels. 1. She was born less than the required 120 years. 2 they're not related to her and ignored the lock not to do her work. Stay within your ancestors.
There is no time where they are. 100 yrs for us is a blink for them.. It's us who need to have patience with the inspired policies.
I lost out on doing my grandparents work simply because I hadn’t joined the church yet. I don’t know who did the work, but I know they didn’t get permission from my parents or me. I know that it’s ultimately about the work getting done but I REALLY wanted to do their work. So, I find your comment rather callous …
I agree! Not sure I like these changes.?
I see your concern, but: 1) I agree with the other commenter that time doesn’t exist in the spirit world. 2) Those spirits still have to accept the gospel first, or the ordinance doesn’t matter anyway. 3) There are those who don’t want the church doing work for their relatives, and we don’t want to upset or offend them, or have lawsuits brought etc. We want to be good and considerate friends and neighbors. We have a “legitimate” right to do the work for our own bloodline though. 4) I think that the work we’re doing now is a drop in the ocean compared to the work that will be done during the 1000 years of the millennium. As much work as is being done now, it’s a mere fraction of a fraction of what needs to be accomplished. Perhaps the work we’re doing now is really more about our own spiritual growth and protection than theirs, and is laying the ground work for the millennium?
Is there a phone number and time that a person can ask specific questions? My father was adopted. There are things wrong with my file that are not correct. We have found out things through DNA that we didn't originally know. I would like to change what needs to be changed.
FamilySearch support is no longer 24/7 on phones. The answer to your question depends on where you live. Go to the FamilySearch.org web page and sign in. Then click on the help icon (question mark inside a circle.) One the drop down click on contact us and follow the prompts. You will be given directions for contacting support for the area of the world where you live.
Thank you!!❤
This just means my children and I will have no names to take to the temple anymore. I come from pioneer stock (every single line) and there is NO work to be done unless I can do the families related by marriage. What a shame.
Heavens no. No possible way. Go back to any ancestor. Now do their descendency view. Now you'll have many many lines to look at. Cousins. Distant. Then search for records and you'll always be able to add more people. It's seriously going to take the millennium, even for those of us from pioneer stock.
If there is no work to be done, you can help others.
@@cindlou7335 I wish what you're saying is true, and it probably is for most people, but not for me. There are no more names that qualify for me to take them to the temple according to the new rules. The best I could hope for before these new changes was that I could find a distant cousin with a second or third spouse whose family hadn't been discovered. But now those are off limits. The days of finding a person, and taking their name to the temple are gone for me and my children with these new rules.
@@bigmamadebbie I agree. But there was a big push to take your own names to the temple. That's what got my kids excited. That's now over.
@cellorobynbrown I think there is a misunderstanding here. I hope somebody can help you work this out. Please believe me, we aren't going to run out of names to do...do your distant cousins!
The section on divorced spouses in the system concerns me a bit. My Great Grandmother is sealed to both of her husbands after her death in accordance with policy. She was divorced from her first husband and that’s who my genetic line is through. I didn’t just get “unrelated” to my family line because of a divorce from the 1930’s right?
If the spouse is your ancestor you can do their work and their ancestral line work even if they were divorced from your great grandmother. This undivorced spouse pertains to a situation where wife wants to do the work for her divorced husband's family. Once they are divorced his family are no longer considered part of the wife's family. The wife can't submit these people but if the couple had children the children could request to do the work, or other blood relatives of the divorced husband can request to do the work.
Brother Givens - what is the best way to report fictional or fraudulant submissions to FamilySearch? I'm not asking about mistakes, but about trees created from thin air, tacked on at random places?
Just go to Contact Us under help and send an email - be sure to have the Person IDs of some examples.
I still need to understand the definition of what is a "living close family member'. I have a half-sister who was adopted by my grandparents. Who is considered the living close family member - me, her half-brother, or her surviving 2 children?
living close family members of a person are the person's - parents, undivorced spouse, children and siblings.
But what if they are not relative and they are not connected but the same surname?Is possible if submit that ex.year 1870 ?
One exception is for people wirh the same surname living in the same small locality as your ancestors - must be an area where there are few records. You have to contact help and they will walk you through how to get permission.
Having the same surname does not always mean that there is a relation.
See the following Help and Learning Center article "How do I request temple ordinances when Family Tree says I am not related?"
Oh okay ty do we still sign up the same way
Not sure what you are asking.
What about if I have permission to do the work of mine related or in-laws families. I hv ALL BUT ONE TIME Gotten A NO To do the WORK!
In the help and learning center at FamilySearch there are articles that explain how you need written permission and how to request this work.
what if my exhusband died before we got back together. but we both desired to keep our sealing. can that mean his ancestors are still my relatives. and what if my son who is definitely related has a female in his line. can it be allowed for me to do her temple work?
@@leannetidwell-schlegel7478My understanding is your son can reserve the ordinance because he is related. Then he can share it with the temple, you, or anyone else.
Thank you for the video. One thing the policy and your video did not address is genetic genealogy and unlinked family clusters. In other words, DNA based research. There are times when you can determine through dna a line of relatives who you know descend from your 4th great grandfather for example. But you do not know who the 4th great grandfather is because there are no records for that time and location. So, you may have 100 descendants of this 4th ggpa. You would know with 100% certainty they are his descendants and therefore your relatives. But in family search it does not show you as related because you cannot enter a 4th ggpa because you do not know any info about him. You can also find solid documentation for every one of the 100 descendants that are your relatives.
I submitted this very example to family search Dec 10, the day the policy came out. They replied with a policy that says dna research is not a substitute for traditional record research and denied the request. This showed a lack of understanding of genetic genealogy because I was not using it to substitute for traditional research. I had solid documentation attached to every name of my relative I was requesting to submit the temple work for.
(This is just one example. I e also used dna research to find several adopted peoples families. In some cases I can identify many people from their grandparent and older for several generations, but I can’t determine which brother is their father. With this policy, they cannot do the work.
I also helped a lady in our ward find 70 of her ancestors from a village that was bombed in ww1 and all records were destroyed. We know many descendants of her 3rd gg parents, but we don’t know the 3rd ggpas name. That she is related is 100% certain based on the dna, but she cannot submit their work under this new policy.
These exceptions are 100% proof that the submitter is related. There appears to be an exception for same surname living in a known ancestors location; in that exception, you only “probably “ know they are your ancestor. But with enough dna evidence, you can know with 100% certainty exactly how they are related to you. But you can’t get approval to do the work- in my opinion- it appears to be because the people overseeing the administrative policy don’t fully understand genetic genealogy.
Any suggestions for how to get beyond the help desk at family search and talk to someone who understands genetic genealogy?
We can't do distant aunts, uncles and cousins that are over 110 years? Is it safe to submit names that are green? meaning we are related. I didn't see anything about our 110 years old cousins, aunts and uncles. There is no way we could get permission.
Go to the help center at FamilySearch and read the article "How do I request ordinances for an ancestor who was born in the last 110 years?" It will walk you through the process.
Thank you.@@BobGivensfresnonorthstakeFSC
So, if I want to do ordenanças for my ancestors they must be on my tree?
If you mean to reserve ordinances - yes, you need to be related. If you mean to take ordinances to the temple - no - you can actually do the work for anyone in Tree - but the person who initially reserves the person that patron has to be related to the deceased relative.
I have this challenge. A member died and has no relative who is a member. How can his name be sent to the temple?
There is an ability to send a note to a church reviewer who can open the name to have the work done by you or a member of the ward.
This is a sad change. I can no longer submit the names of my ancestors' siblings, etc. We were getting so much work done. Now we can do very little to none because we have worked so far back on our direct lines that we can find no more records. I thought the goal was to save our ancestors, not "claim" ordinances for ourselves. Truly sad.
I understood this to mean you couldn't do ordinances for these ancestors, not that they couldn't be added to your tree.
You can do the work for your ancestor's siblings if they fall within the outlined rules. Try to reserve them after you add them.
Thanks. I subbed.
It helps delayed the work for gathering Israel in the Last Days. New policy.
Indeed. 110 year is just a hindrance, now they put another stumbling back for those beyond. I am an avid submitter, but with this new policy, I no longer have any motivation to do Family Search.
This is good. There is someone submitting work for my family. I’m sure their intentions were good but their info hasn’t been correct and now I have to go back and redo a lot. They are making guesses on relationship info for relatives I knew firsthand as a child. Their data mining denies my now adult children that are now showing interest for doing work for their direct relatives, just because some unknown long distant cousin of a cousin on the other side of the country has been handling out our names for my immediate family lines for years. It’s frustrating and slows down what is already a difficult job for me to clean up.
Thank you for reaching out. Have you tried contact this person and 1. help them do better research and 2. Ask if they would allow you to do the reserving of names in this line? It is a challenge as this is a cooperative tree.
All of this info is extremely helpful. Thank you. In my case, there is someone who is not a member of the Church, who has been adding names on family search. I realize that anyone can add or change info on family tree, but this person has been taking out people I know I'm related to and replacing them with names of others and building back from there. They have no sources listed. I'm pretty sure I already did the Temple work for my 2nd great grandfather, but this person has removed him from the tree and added someone in his place. What can I do about that?
Contact support at FamilySearch with the details and they will help you get this straightened out.
Personally I do understand the reason for this new policy and it make sense to me but at the same time here are my concerns.
My family is from Ukraine. My brother and I are doing all the work for our side of the family.
There are not many members of the church in Ukraine, especially now since the war started 3 years ago. In addition, there are not a lot of archive documents available.
We are lucky to be working with approximately 5 different villages. And we have microfilms available and are able to add all the peope directly to Family search regardless if they are direct ancestors.
Our direct line is pretty much done.
We do know that eveyone was related to each other in those villages, they were military installations and people were relocated from northern parts of Russian Empire to the Southern borders.
Anyway, since we are hastening the work, why can't we help those who need help? I am not speaking about the USA but rather about Ukraine in our case?
The one thing I don't see the logic in is this:
The names previously reserved by me get released to the temple system after the reservation date expires. And then... The temples pick up those names and the work is still getting done for those peope who were previously reserved by me. If I am not related to then directly and can't do the work for those people than why the temple system can do the work for them? Relatives didn't reserve the names but the work is still getting done. I hope it make sense.
Quesiron #2:
If the temple work is done for the direct line but we encourage the youth to bring their family names to the temple for baptisms - where can they find and reserve the names?
What is motivating the yourh to do the temple work if they can't research and bring names for the baptisms to the temple?
Especially the youth with pioneer heritage.
Example - my niece went to the temple today for the first time and we had to work very hard to find any family names for her to do. We have 8 kids between my brothe and I. 5 of them go to the temple regularly to do baptisms - they want to do Ukrainian names. How can we encourage them to keep researching and taking names to the temple?
Again, I understand the reason for this policy but at the same time there are so many flaws with it and counterproductive results.
Thank you for reading 🙏❤️
The system is messed up. Even my own name has me born to a step-father, not my real dad. I can’t get it fixed because the woman who submitted it is sure she is correct even when i tell her that i know who my own father is. If i submit birth certificates and marriage licenses they will correct it but that is so labor intensive i refuse. It shouldn’t be this hard
I would submit the birth certificates and marriage licenses just to prove I was right.
This is my problem .yes ive done work for friends not in the church. Not them cuz the death isnt 100 years but somwone i could do. Same reasons stated to gwt them out of prison.
How is this any different then being given A name at the Temple who doesnt belong to me. Based on that i feel i did nothing wrong. The people who where my friends come feom long backgeounds of churchs who would very unlikely convert to our church. The hatred is to high
I’m not sure I appreciate the constant changes. My jury is still out on this. Too often “policy” conflicts with our mission to gather Israel and so many of us do not have so called traditional relationships. I have little confidence’s in the system changes. And each change messes up the outcome results. Example I had to do my aunt Millie’s work four times before it registered completed. I have found we r more concerned with legal liabilities rather than our mission to gather Israel. So not respecting our right to claim relationship prevents work that is actually legitimate because definition of related may not “fit” definition. Again the techs of family search are not very helpful. So I will hope I am wrong.
Please remember the Quorum of the 12 and First Presidency make the policy not the techs.
I was disappointed in the derogatory approach you presented regarding those who had submitted non-direct persons. You could not know for sure that they had the "attitude" you suggested. Further, they may have had permission from both living and those who had passed away to do work for those lines who belonged to other's direct relationships. Please be more kind about his in the future.
This is so very discouraging. There is no way we can encourage or define why our teens and others should get excited over the work. I hv always but one time been given permission by close relatives to do work. And this doesn’t feel spiritual but only to cover church liability. Satan in full possession of getting his workout forward.
But our mission is thwarted as lawyer rather than prophets have begun to “project” rather than “be prophetic” an AI algorithm decides for us and this messes up legitimately complied with rules rather than the spirit or power of priesthood tools. Confuse us more. Make it more difficult for us and therefore thwart Gods work be fearful of legal ramifications rather than move it faith and conviction.
But our mission is thwarted as lawyer rather than prophets have begun to “project” rather than “be prophetic” an AI algorithm decides for us and this messes up legitimately complied with rules rather than the spirit or power of priesthood tools. Confuse us more. Make it more difficult for us and therefore thwart Gods work be fearful of legal ramifications rather than move it faith and conviction.
All the above being said and shared and hoped some compassionate ears and hearts r listening to reform for ease of work instead of tiring our hands with some politically correct straight jacket. I will desperately search to be successful and increase my submissions having faith we r doing Gods work and He is in charge. so I will comply though it seems none of us will hv a choice but to comply (whose plan was that) and do what work will be allowed to do. Hey maybe I’m already complying and do notrealize it bec I already ask and get permission and usually impediments are in the program so maybe this won’t be as big of a change as I sense it may be. God be with us. Help us be prolifically successful even wearing a legal liability encumbering straight jacket.
Bless each of us with the hope of smooth submissions and getting ordinances for those who presently can’t do it on their own
@@margaretbianculli2791 99% of this is just beginning to enforce rules that have been there all along - really not new rules. Plus now the definition of who you can show relationship has been expanded (back in time and now including your undivorced spouses family) - so actually this should be a net positive situation.
Wish he would talk alittle faster, zzzzzzz
Change the replay speed. Go to settings, choose playback, increase speed.
@@beeapprentice2725 Thank you - there are times I wish I could talk faster but my brain can only go so fast. I did get a chuckle out of this and the suggestion is great. Now if I could only find that setting in my brain.
How does this relate to DNA tracing of related ancestors found through DNA research?
I understand what you are saying but actually appreciate him taking his time to explain the policy.
Thank you so much!!