Kennst du LukHash? Der macht Musik mit extrem gemoddeten C64er und eigenen Konstruktionen. Reinhören lohnt sich!! Auch Welle:Erdball (Anspieltipp: Monoton und Minimal) macht Musik hauptsächlich mit dem C64!
If you checkout some of Lukhash’s most recent posts, you’ll see that he’s already experimenting with an EVO and a NuTube64 module. He seems to really be enjoying the system.
Reminds me a bit the C64 Katod (Polish musician playing gigs using retro machines) is using :D Great to see you're having fun, good luck with the project!
Very cool having cynthcart on the rom. I ended up putting a toggle on my paddlebox as the cutoff knob is backwards in cynthcart (clockwise to close instead of open)
Already when seeing just the board in the intro I see that you've put a 8580 next to a 6581. That's a really sweet function that doesn't work on the original c64 without additional voltage regulations. Cool! I'm a long term Prophet64/MSSIAH user and has been using dual 8580's for at least 15 years (using the sid2sid board). It's really sweet to be able to do that. Unfortunately one of my 8580's died so I had to replace it with an ArmSid. Time to stop babbling and watch your video now 😅
Pretty neat project Jan! I recently mod a spare c64 to be a SID jukebox... I intergrated an arduino that has the tapecart program, which loads sidplayer where I can play hundreds of SIDs from the microsd.
Jan, I think there are undiscovered tribes in the middle of the Amazonian rain forests that knew that fin was going to break. But great project. Did I miss the MIDI demo?
I didn't find my USB-MIDI adapter while shooting the video so I didn't demo the MIDI stuff... Found it now so there is probably going to be some MSSIAH exploration soon. :D
not for ion tube (inverse of crt display tube and similar to a electron scanning/transmission microscope) with ion EM separation purifier combined in the ionizer of the start material, like silicon sand, great for growing single crystals@@JanBeta
Lmnc und dr.mix haben Mal mit Hilfe eines arduinos mehrere pots angeschlossen. Es wurd auch eine Platine erstellt. Soll keine Werbung sein sondern nur eine Info .
I can say with certainty that this was not a “Paid Advertisement”. Jan came up with this idea on his own and chose to share it as a fun project that others might enjoy. This approach of being able to integrate the adjustable pots directly into the system’s paddle ports and work off of fully integrated software, is s bit easier than requiring the end-user to build custom hardware with integrated MIDI, then program and wire up an Arduino, wouldn’t you say?
Not a fan of the EVO 64 people or how they operate, but still a great video. I think I'd be tempted to try that with one of the reproduction 64C cases, but obviously you'd have trouble fitting everything inside that.
@@JanBeta I just had a thought. One of those Australian C64 cases might be ideal. They have two perfectly placed flat panels on the top that look like they are made for adding extra controls. Added bonus that someone will get really mad if you drill holes in one! 😉
Why you are not a fan of us ? I operate in my garage. Financially, the evo project has costed much more than what it has produced. Emphatically, the evo project has made hundreds of users happy around the planet. So overall, I think it was a good deal for us. I hope you will change your mind as we operate with quality and progress in mind. Stay tuned !
Making an "Instant-On EVO Synth" is a SUPER cool build idea! Really love this. Now we have to wonder whether an EVO with integrated MIDI inputs could provide even more inspiration? :-)
I am sure it would be appreciated. I get a tonne of use from kerberos cart as that has great midi implementation that works for cynthcart. Sidwizard and station64 ( even works with ASID protocol and every other midi softwareI have tried) . Sadly kerberos is hard to come by for people.
Jan, you make me happy. I’m the one who designed and built the machine you are using. Do you think a quadraphonic EVO would be useful ? I am experimenting with a larger Xilinx pla chip and there are enough IOs that I could control 4 Sids on board. In addition the triode64 daughterboard is finished and I am assembling a few today.
let's face it - the world is ready for a dedicated, C64-based, full-on digital-music synth machine. In addition to dual SID, why not also a Yamaha FM synth - and integral MIDI? And appropriate port for connecting a serious musical keyboard. Sure, would need new firmware and software to be written, but all these vintage devices are well understood and there are plenty of talented people in the community that would be up to the task. Build it and they will come kind of thing. At its heart it would still be a C64 that could play the catalog of existing software. JanBeta has shown how to make a C64 that sports different personalities.
@@TheSulross it would not be difficult to add more sound chips in some particular memory locations. The PLA can do everything. Actually the newer version of the PLA has all the As and Ds and Phis inside so it can take over the whole machine. The rest is verilog code. I have a board with the larger xc95144xl, a bunch of wires and almost no obsolete old LS chips left…. Said that to add different sound chips, it would take me 6 months of evening work, let’s say 500 hours, and we would sell 50 boards max… the ratio between “would like and I do” is around 10, and the 90% that “wish but can’t” then jump on all possible social media and troll the developers. Boards need to be engineered with “production” in mind, not diy, and choices of components, reliability, logistics is by far the biggest part of the job. Look here. Comments are about aliexpress or not. Arguments should be about “gold plated versus nickel plated” or “CG0 versus xr7” dielectrics, jfet versus mosfet… we are surrounded by techlogogical and scientific analphabetism.I can’t take more work. I already work 24/7 !!!
Well done, Jan. You've shown the C64 community what the EVO board is capable of in the hands of a capable musician with skills in electronics. This really demonstrates the use case of the EVO board. Kudos to you and a job done, and to the EVO crew for making and sending the board to the right person.
Great Work! I use a setup quite similar, but yours is way ahead with the Evo. I run CythCart on a DualSID-powered C64II and a Datel MIDI-Interface, so the lack of the Potis and the missing Overlay is OK for me, because i use a MIDI-Keyboard or the DAW to control the C64-Syntheziser.
I noticed on my test board the L/R channels were swapped on the tube side. You can compare with the normal audio out. Let me know if that's the case for you as well. :)
In a dual-SID setup, there is no fixed standard for which channel each SID should output to. That’s more of a preference decision. However, the production release NuTube64 module allows you swap the output channels.
I suppose one way to not have to worry about brittle old plastics would be to use one of them shiny new 64c cases, though, that said I'd have a hard time wanting to drill one of those myself, cos shiny and new things look too nice to mod for me... :P
Cool Jan very nice cool that c64 has made it this far I have an ultimate64 and yes I also have soon keyboard only the stickers are gold😅 Works pretty well better than typing on keyboard. I also bought a Massia card, but I never really dived into it, just dipped my toes in the water. I also have a Syth Card, an older model. Cool nice video
i really wonder if there will be a new technology somewhen in the future, to reproduce real commodore custom chips. Would be the last step for building fully new C64s. Those new boards are looking so nice, especially the golden shine =)
One Day chip fabrication will be as easy as making circuit boards... I hope... To recreate the sids with all its analog noise and details would be awesome instead of emulating them...
Almost certainly that will happen in the same way JLCPCB now handle pcb and 3d printing.. one day... might be couple decades for China to offer such a service but I can see it happening. I can't see an Western nation doing that however, the social and economic structure isn't capable.
Pretty soon there will be modern remakes of all of the key chips... We already have many options for SID clones, and now we have the Kawari VICII replacement, and the Monotech 6502 > 6510 adapter boards. Jani is working on his "J-CIA" project which will complete the puzzle... Stay tuned...
wonder what the cost would be to take the Verilog or VHDL of the FPGA SID and VIC-II implementations and manufacture a run of ASIC chips? What would be the minimum quantities necessary before would be a serious size of business to make that worthwhile? With all the attempts to re-create the C64 one wonders if enough demand might exist to make that worthwhile. Well, then real C64 could be sold on Amazon in same manner as TheC64 emulator-based product.
I jumped for sure! It was a bit of a face palm moment, I should clearly have chosen another spot for the pots. 😅 (The machine still holds up fine after some abuse though thankfully!)
I'll say it so that no one else has to: "Oh nooooo you wrecked a #Rare Commodore 64 case!" There, that should take care of that. ;) Agreed, a C64c keyboard would look pretty sweet in this machine.
That was a fun project! Actually I liked this much better than the usual 'just another PLA replacement and recapping' videos!
Genius! You know you should produce this as a kit!
Kennst du LukHash? Der macht Musik mit extrem gemoddeten C64er und eigenen Konstruktionen. Reinhören lohnt sich!! Auch Welle:Erdball (Anspieltipp: Monoton und Minimal) macht Musik hauptsächlich mit dem C64!
If you checkout some of Lukhash’s most recent posts, you’ll see that he’s already experimenting with an EVO and a NuTube64 module. He seems to really be enjoying the system.
Reminds me a bit the C64 Katod (Polish musician playing gigs using retro machines) is using :D Great to see you're having fun, good luck with the project!
Very cool having cynthcart on the rom. I ended up putting a toggle on my paddlebox as the cutoff knob is backwards in cynthcart (clockwise to close instead of open)
Already when seeing just the board in the intro I see that you've put a 8580 next to a 6581. That's a really sweet function that doesn't work on the original c64 without additional voltage regulations.
Cool!
I'm a long term Prophet64/MSSIAH user and has been using dual 8580's for at least 15 years (using the sid2sid board). It's really sweet to be able to do that.
Unfortunately one of my 8580's died so I had to replace it with an ArmSid.
Time to stop babbling and watch your video now 😅
It took me half the video to realise he was saying EVO not Evil. And then I was sad, I want an evil c64!
Same !!! I now know he's saying EVO, but still hear evil :)
Pretty neat project Jan! I recently mod a spare c64 to be a SID jukebox... I intergrated an arduino that has the tapecart program, which loads sidplayer where I can play hundreds of SIDs from the microsd.
Nice neat build Jan! As you know, all the best computers have MIDI 😉
...yeah, they have midi OR a decent sound chip on board. ;)
Jan, I think there are undiscovered tribes in the middle of the Amazonian rain forests that knew that fin was going to break. But great project. Did I miss the MIDI demo?
I didn't find my USB-MIDI adapter while shooting the video so I didn't demo the MIDI stuff... Found it now so there is probably going to be some MSSIAH exploration soon. :D
You need a sticky label to cover-up those previously drilled holes.
awesome!!!
I wish I have a Cv/Gate in for my SX-64 to contribute it's oscillators to a eurorack.
Nice, whats better than C=64 and synth content!!!! seems I now have to listen to my Welle:Erdball playlist…
how cool would be if kraftwerk hadn't become so lazy after computerwelt and make something with SID tones?
Why do I keep hearing "Evil64"?
It’s not very evil in person. My pronunciation might be though. 😅
Updated May 6th 2023: Latest testing video of the near production-ready Triode64 module
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EVIL64 !
How much is the complele Set?
I thought you mean making the chips diy, not assembling from pre-made chips, on a bread board pcb
I mean starting from sand
That would be a bit of a challenge! 😅
not for ion tube (inverse of crt display tube and similar to a electron scanning/transmission microscope) with ion EM separation purifier combined in the ionizer of the start material, like silicon sand, great for growing single crystals@@JanBeta
Reset-pine aufs Board gelötet und dann den Taster vergessen. :)
DOOD!
"...my nonexisting musical skills..." You bloody liar. :P
Awesome 😮🤩
Lmnc und dr.mix haben Mal mit Hilfe eines arduinos mehrere pots angeschlossen. Es wurd auch eine Platine erstellt. Soll keine Werbung sein sondern nur eine Info .
I can say with certainty that this was not a “Paid Advertisement”. Jan came up with this idea on his own and chose to share it as a fun project that others might enjoy. This approach of being able to integrate the adjustable pots directly into the system’s paddle ports and work off of fully integrated software, is s bit easier than requiring the end-user to build custom hardware with integrated MIDI, then program and wire up an Arduino, wouldn’t you say?
brilliant work! Jan.
Not a fan of the EVO 64 people or how they operate, but still a great video. I think I'd be tempted to try that with one of the reproduction 64C cases, but obviously you'd have trouble fitting everything inside that.
I’ve seen similar builds with C64Cs so it should be doable, probably requires a bit more planning ahead than I did. :D
@@JanBeta I just had a thought. One of those Australian C64 cases might be ideal. They have two perfectly placed flat panels on the top that look like they are made for adding extra controls. Added bonus that someone will get really mad if you drill holes in one! 😉
Why the grudge against EVO?
Why you are not a fan of us ? I operate in my garage. Financially, the evo project has costed much more than what it has produced. Emphatically, the evo project has made hundreds of users happy around the planet. So overall, I think it was a good deal for us. I hope you will change your mind as we operate with quality and progress in mind. Stay tuned !
LUKHASH device!
In this case: When will the band reunite Jan? :)
I wouldn’t mind that at all! 😊
@@JanBeta well then, let's go on this mission, or as the Blues Brothers said back then... ;)
Making an "Instant-On EVO Synth" is a SUPER cool build idea! Really love this. Now we have to wonder whether an EVO with integrated MIDI inputs could provide even more inspiration? :-)
I am sure it would be appreciated. I get a tonne of use from kerberos cart as that has great midi implementation that works for cynthcart. Sidwizard and station64 ( even works with ASID protocol and every other midi softwareI have tried) . Sadly kerberos is hard to come by for people.
The world needs a little punk rock at the moment Jan! Excellent work.
Time to get the band back together?
Working on it! ;)
@@JanBeta Most excellent, unbogus and non heinous!
@@JanBeta Let me know if you need a bass player 😉
The happines in your face on this video is the best.
Excellent project, Jan. Enjoy it! (And maybe compose something with it? 😉)
Jan, you make me happy. I’m the one who designed and built the machine you are using. Do you think a quadraphonic EVO would be useful ? I am experimenting with a larger Xilinx pla chip and there are enough IOs that I could control 4 Sids on board. In addition the triode64 daughterboard is finished and I am assembling a few today.
let's face it - the world is ready for a dedicated, C64-based, full-on digital-music synth machine. In addition to dual SID, why not also a Yamaha FM synth - and integral MIDI? And appropriate port for connecting a serious musical keyboard. Sure, would need new firmware and software to be written, but all these vintage devices are well understood and there are plenty of talented people in the community that would be up to the task. Build it and they will come kind of thing. At its heart it would still be a C64 that could play the catalog of existing software. JanBeta has shown how to make a C64 that sports different personalities.
@@TheSulross it would not be difficult to add more sound chips in some particular memory locations. The PLA can do everything. Actually the newer version of the PLA has all the As and Ds and Phis inside so it can take over the whole machine. The rest is verilog code. I have a board with the larger xc95144xl, a bunch of wires and almost no obsolete old LS chips left….
Said that to add different sound chips, it would take me 6 months of evening work, let’s say 500 hours, and we would sell 50 boards max… the ratio between “would like and I do” is around 10, and the 90% that “wish but can’t” then jump on all possible social media and troll the developers. Boards need to be engineered with “production” in mind, not diy, and choices of components, reliability, logistics is by far the biggest part of the job. Look here. Comments are about aliexpress or not. Arguments should be about “gold plated versus nickel plated” or “CG0 versus xr7” dielectrics, jfet versus mosfet… we are surrounded by techlogogical and scientific analphabetism.I can’t take more work. I already work 24/7 !!!
... sehr interessant für mich als alten Musiker (Klarinette/Orgel). Ich werde das Projekt im Ohr behalten.
Very cool project! and well done I am planning to build a synth like this for years and you do this in under an hour. 🙂
Well done, Jan. You've shown the C64 community what the EVO board is capable of in the hands of a capable musician with skills in electronics. This really demonstrates the use case of the EVO board. Kudos to you and a job done, and to the EVO crew for making and sending the board to the right person.
Couldn't agree more... It's wonderful to see clever people exploring the creative potential and having a blast!
actually relished seeing a C64 being drilled full of holes and transformed into something rather different - than just being the usual gamer machine
“Potential Meters.” Heh. Love ya Jan! (Po-ten-she-ahm-et-turs)
Great Work! I use a setup quite similar, but yours is way ahead with the Evo. I run CythCart on a DualSID-powered C64II and a Datel MIDI-Interface, so the lack of the Potis and the missing Overlay is OK for me, because i use a MIDI-Keyboard or the DAW to control the C64-Syntheziser.
I absolutely love it!
Very satisfying build!!
I noticed on my test board the L/R channels were swapped on the tube side. You can compare with the normal audio out. Let me know if that's the case for you as well. :)
In a dual-SID setup, there is no fixed standard for which channel each SID should output to. That’s more of a preference decision. However, the production release NuTube64 module allows you swap the output channels.
Ottima motherboard, lavoro fantastico!
I suppose one way to not have to worry about brittle old plastics would be to use one of them shiny new 64c cases, though, that said I'd have a hard time wanting to drill one of those myself, cos shiny and new things look too nice to mod for me... :P
Great work Jan!
Excellent work, looks like you will have a lot of fun with it!
The guys in Kraftwerk would be proud!
Great job Jan 👏
Cool Jan very nice cool that c64 has made it this far I have an ultimate64 and yes I also have soon keyboard only the stickers are gold😅
Works pretty well better than typing on keyboard.
I also bought a Massia card, but I never really dived into it, just dipped my toes in the water.
I also have a Syth Card, an older model.
Cool nice video
i really wonder if there will be a new technology somewhen in the future, to reproduce real commodore custom chips. Would be the last step for building fully new C64s. Those new boards are looking so nice, especially the golden shine =)
One Day chip fabrication will be as easy as making circuit boards... I hope... To recreate the sids with all its analog noise and details would be awesome instead of emulating them...
We seem to be getting closer and closer to that, and it will be so cool when it happens.
Almost certainly that will happen in the same way JLCPCB now handle pcb and 3d printing.. one day... might be couple decades for China to offer such a service but I can see it happening. I can't see an Western nation doing that however, the social and economic structure isn't capable.
Pretty soon there will be modern remakes of all of the key chips... We already have many options for SID clones, and now we have the Kawari VICII replacement, and the Monotech 6502 > 6510 adapter boards. Jani is working on his "J-CIA" project which will complete the puzzle... Stay tuned...
wonder what the cost would be to take the Verilog or VHDL of the FPGA SID and VIC-II implementations and manufacture a run of ASIC chips? What would be the minimum quantities necessary before would be a serious size of business to make that worthwhile? With all the attempts to re-create the C64 one wonders if enough demand might exist to make that worthwhile. Well, then real C64 could be sold on Amazon in same manner as TheC64 emulator-based product.
I didn't realize there would be a jump scare 😱 (when you were making the holes for the POTS) :) Love your C64 content!
I jumped for sure! It was a bit of a face palm moment, I should clearly have chosen another spot for the pots. 😅 (The machine still holds up fine after some abuse though thankfully!)
Oh, good. EVO-64. I thought he said, Evil-64. 😈
It was 5826 days since #janbetawashere 😊😊
Nice work champ i Will try at Build it to to my Music studio 😊
I'll say it so that no one else has to: "Oh nooooo you wrecked a #Rare Commodore 64 case!" There, that should take care of that. ;)
Agreed, a C64c keyboard would look pretty sweet in this machine.
I only re-wrecked it! 😅
Black Hinges on the case!
Uh, that would be cool!
That board deserves a new sexy clear / smoke case and new keys. Still an awesome project either way tho!
Thank you Jan!