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My immediate reaction was “OH THANK GOD, it’s just the producer!” I mean, it’s still disgusting and awful, but I’ll take what positives I can in this situation.
@@sumrakdievcaright? They should not drag the director with him in that. He's just a wallet, producers don't have anything to do with directors. Why even mention the stuff he gave money to.
I'mma be honest, dragging down an entire team of dedicated and talented people because of a single scummy person is a bad move. The producer should be tried and judged accordingly, but to drop the support of these works because of a single person is the equivalent of throwing away a batch of good apples because there's a rotten one in the middle. What the producer did is despicable, but the rest of the people shouldn't be forced to be dragged down for one bad apple.
Yeah. People still watch classic films produced by Harvey Weinstein even though he the face of sexual abuse in the entertainment industry. We all need to talk about these cases of corruption and deviance, but for the most part, we don't need to disregard the work of many people who didn't do those things.
This reminds me a lot of another producer: Johnathan Tzachor. Which for those who don't know was the head producer and show runner of Power Rangers. He's thankfully gone now, and has been replaced with better people(as of this reply)
Guilt by association was a historically japanese culture thing, and in some places the concept is still practiced (*coughcough*zoomers*cough*)! As a cultural thing, the practice of a samurai's retainers committing suicide, simultaneous with the samurai that they served, was called tsuifuku. Though you can argue that this isn't that, the dynamic of hierarchical power in a formal setting lends itself to a modern business rendition of how work associates "go down with a ship" as a result, often times with no say whatsoever.
Yeah it’s not like he composed all the music and drew every frame. I’m sure as the producer he was probably highly involved but he definitely didn’t single handedly create all of these movies
This isn’t like a manga made by one or two people, this was a producer on films made by hundreds of people, directors, artists, voice actors, musicians, etc. To say the entire movie isn’t worth supporting because one guy in a hundred is a screw up is childish.
fr, i was gonna comment that, but we shouldnt turn a blind eye to it but we can still support makoto shinkai and his works since he was the one who created the story not that guy
Yup I totally get ya’ll, that total shit of a person was just the producer and it’s not like that he created those movies, it’s just that he threw the money. Shinkai can get new producers in a Snap of his fingers 😕😕
As much as I agree with not supporting the producer for their vile criminal act that they have committed, I also want to support and appreciate Makoto Shinkai, the animators, and everyone else for making one of the most beautiful anime films out there. Separating the art from the artist may be difficult for some but as you get older, and it's sad to say but you slowly realize that criminal acts aren't that rare in the entertainment industry. That's my two cents on the matter.
This is a crime to where Separating Art from Artist arguments fall through the cracks to MANY people because of their closeness to others who've experienced such atrocities IRL. Defending the art is fine, but not when it's dismissive of the actual crime. Like dude said, this will hover over every name involved with the criminal in question. And the only way to credibly defend the art he heavily participated in making is to say you don't care about his involvement. Like, straight up.
@@ivanwilliams7413a “Producer” has nothing to do with the “art” of animation. It’s the directors and animators who work hard to create the story and visuals while the producer just takes care of the logistics. Cancelling the entire thing is like cancelling a farmer because the supermarket that sells his produce did a crime.
@@ivanwilliams7413 The premise of "Separate Art from Artist" is a logical fallacy, specifically, the Cognitive Dissonance Fallacy. It's an extreme form of denial that disconnects people from reality.
Wait, isn't this old news by now? Shinkai already reacted to this with a statement. He was basically ashamed at what his producer did. The new big scandal right now is *Toru Furuya* (Yamcha VA) being a scum, adulterer, abuser & manipulator.
Oh i left the same comment earlier. But yours was more complete. I prefer calling him as the VA of Sabo from One Piece, the biggest anime in japan currently.
@@Darwin-sama mental help in Japan doesn’t really exist. The culture is very anti-physiology, and counseling isn’t strongly protected or even treated as health.
If we are "boycotting" every production that has people involved in negative scandals, we might just be left with our own imagination. Not supporting the creep is a yes, but to stop supporting a whole lot of production team is just too extreme...
Those creeps ARE everywhere, not just animé. Religion, influencers, social media, content creators, cults, families.... Welcome to the human race. The only way to help victims is to be a safe space.
"If this guy is doing it, god knows how many other creeps are hanging around the anime and manga industry." As opposed to Hollywood? This shit has been a problem for years in entertainment. If they want to stop supporting manga and anime for these reasons, then they should stop consuming anything Hollywood.
I think its still higher age if, yeah an issue, but hollywood i think its most eary is, odd fixating on legal age , and harassmen and pressure in general, and not 12? a bit older still usually. Which still not good. but .. The dan schneider stuff like is , not good but they care about , ok lets hope that scares at least to that blatantr engage in japan :( , hopefully:( through it needs actual reforms in the industry there, not just arresting animators
@@selvaa1592 I think the point he's making is that whenever Joey makes videos like this he always goes for the "if there's one creep, the entire industry might be full of creeps too" generalization blame game which puts an obvious majorly negative image on the entire industry during a time when Japanese pop-culture entertainment is like the main target for destruction from crazies from the West. I've commented this before in one of Joey's videos. ANY industry will have creeps. Especially so with entertainment and pop-culture. If he reacts like this and gives this image onto his 800k followers, that's quite a large sphere of influence. It also gives ammunition to people who have dark goals towards destroying the Japanese pop-culture and entertainment industry in favor of whatever garbage the West is currently trying to peddle to people. What about Hollywood? What about the same industries in Arab countries? What about in Bollywood? All of these likely have creeps like these. Perhaps Hollywood is even the worst of them all for all we know. Joey needs to understand that his words have weight, and that he should choose them carefully. We should all know by know how hellish the anime/manga/light novel industry in Japan can be for the people that work there. If he is to focus on these creeps, he should not generalize all of the people working there with such a negative image as with any country's version of the entertainment industry.
It's not just entertainment though. Thousands of people are arrested every year for crimes against children. We only read headlines about the ones involved with famous projects, because they generate ad revenue. If some random guy in the town next to yours gets arrested for the same crime you probably wouldn't know about it. I understand that when you google these projects now it's possible for articles about this producer to be in the results. That sucks, especially for all the people who worked on these films, but it's not representative of the work they did.
To your point about no longer being able to enjoy something because of the artist's actions. I get it, but like, this guy was a producer of these projects, not the director. Depending on his amount of involvement he isn't an artist, he's just a producer. Maybe for animation it's different, but at least for live action producer's never seem that attached to creating the story imo.
Honestly I hate how people casually say things like „he made those anime movies“….he was the freaking producer, he was only responsible for the whole financial organisation behind the scenes…the producer of a film isn’t really involved in the actual production (unlike people in a supervisor position or the director). Like yea you obviously should mention that he was a mentionable producer of those films but I find it regally annoying how every news site (and joey as well) has to start of with a big headline like „creator of Suzume arrested for […]“ as this in my opinion shines bad light on the ACTUAL creator of these films - makoto shinkai, who is not a fault whatsoever.
He was a producer. That's the person who puts talent and money together. He's one of the creators by default. Regardless, the whinging over this specificity is hilariously stupid considering the crime.
@@ivanwilliams7413 *You know. I have a feeling that's what hollywood producers and game producers like to say* when they go around changing stuff they don't understand. In practice, anyone who works with creative productions, including the producers who take their work seriously, know that while some may work more roles than just being a producer, what they are are managers, not creators. *Managers manage money and people so that the Creators can focus on making the movie.*
I think its not the media to blame but the guy who did the crime to blame 😅. He is the pedo and he is the one who did the crime, he is part of creating the anime and that is just a fact, does he shed bad light on others working on this project and animators and on the anime itself etc ..yes but that is on him and something he should have thought about,that is not on the media that is just stating facts. Its very important people mention his role in the anime as a headliner because it also shed light on the issue in japan of manga and anime. Because It is an issue,pedo culture is big here because of it, pressure on women to be young and cute and stay that way is in this, pedophiles being created is part of this issue ,the porn industry full of highschool girls in uniforms is part of this. This sheds light on a bigger picture of the issue. If they would stop making these anime always about love stories or sexualiIng highschool kids it would help out against this issue a lot. I live in japan and the amount of 50 year old man obsessed with highschool girls anime that are in skimpy highschool uniforms is crazy. My ex neighbour had a car with an anime girl on it that looked 13 in a really skimpy sexual outfit and drawn almost naked... That is the reality man face here in japan and how they grow up with here .. this is a bigger issue and yes if its a producer doing this shit it should be mentioned in connection to what he created. Luckily this guy didnt create to bad of a anime but again this is just the tip of the iceberg.
He’s no artist, artists are the people who worked really really hard for those projects and he just threw in the money. Shinkai can get a new producer within a snap of his fingers😢
If this was Shinkai himself i would agree, but producers don't matter. Anyone couldve been a producer on these movies, and they would still be the same movie. I can understand the anger, because shitty people like this getting away with it for so long because of their positions is a huge problem, like Harvey Weinstein, but its a very different situation than the Ruronin Kenshin situation where its the actual creator. Don't let a shitty producer ruin your enjoyment of the movie they were smart enough to put their name on. Be happy that they got caught, and now can no longer taint the future works that come out in any way.
While I agree with you, normies cannot separate art and the people who worked on it. Which I understand you have to boycott things you don’t like. The problem is almost everyone has dirt on themselves. Some dirt is worse of course.
Using Harvey Weinstein is a bad example. He was known for altering and editing films without input from the director. Regardless of your bad example, a producer's input varies from projects from music to shows to movies. They usually always have creative control, but most of the time, they let they director's do their jobs unless they lose confidence or have a very controlijg personality Wienstien does.. I'm not sure how different Hollywood is from the Japanese anime industry.
I mean, him publicly being ashamed , helkps, if he defended him, not good, but thank god he doesnt seem to do that. Its like not liking dogma despite weinstein , and to credit, kevin smith kept in in limbo to not make weinstein any money, but yeah that is not nessesary on the creator.
Here's another 'woopsie' that made head lines recently: Furuya Toru, voice actor famous for his role as Amuro Ray in 'Mobile Suit Gundam', recently admitted to having an extramarital affair with a female fan that lasted for over four and a half years. The relationship involved physical abuse and coercing his affair partner into having an abortion. He wrote his confession on Twitter. I honestly don't know why it's hard for some people to not be assholes.
@@Darwin-sama It's more complicated than that. can money and fame have somewhat of affect on a person's psyche? Yes but not to such a degree that they change completely as a person. Fame and money itself doesn't change people. It's usually the environment they're in or the person was already an asshole but couldn't act due to the limitations they had. Once the limitations were gone due to fame and fortune, then their true nature is amplified; money makes you more of who you already are. As for the environment, unfortunately, infidelity and corruption is common among the higher status in society (politicians, celebrities, business people, medical professions, etc.). So when it's around you, the temptation gets stronger (basically as the saying goes: 'if 5 of your friends are smokers, you'll be the 6th'). And when you have a bunch of young women reaching out to you, the temptation gets worse (same thing for women having men reaching out).
t's easy for me to separate the art from the artist when in that case Koichiro Ito was just one of the people supplying paint to the artist. I'm not going to think about a producer when I watch an anime or movie, when every headline always talks about Makoto Shinkai. I'm not going to let one producer ruin whole works that SO many people put their soul into. Of course, it'd be way different had it actually been Makoto Shinkai who was accused, or if multiple of the staff had been on it that'd be way harder to ignore, and at that point I wouldn't be able to in good faith keep supporting that content.
A lot of people worked on these films and I agree with some others, he didn't write or direct any of them. So, I believe it's perfectly fine to still enjoy them. Edit: Yoshihiro Furusawa ... executive producer Tatsuro Hatanaka ... co-producer Minami Ichikawa ... chief executive producer Shin'ichirô Inoue ... co-producer *Kôichirô Itô ... producer* Noritaka Kawaguchi ... chief executive producer / producer Genki Kawamura ... producer Yukari Kiso ... line producer: The Answer Studio Yûichi Sakai ... line producer (as Yuuichi Sakai) Katsuhiro Takei ... producer Masanori Yumiya ... co-producer Junji Zenki ... co-producer Kenji Ôta ... chief executive producer (as Kenji Ohta) There's over a dozen producers for Your Name on IMDB. He wasn't even one of the main producers. The articles are just clickbait.
There's a special part of hell dedicated to people using scummy clickbait like this. Your videos are great, and we'll gladly click on them without tricks like this.
I'm still gonna support since it wasn't just this one guy who made all these movies. Dozens of people poured hundreds of hours into these works and I don't want them getting dragged down because of one man's depravity.
Bad enough that a certain mob of people has a tendency to insult anime fans by calling them "basement dwelling CP", but whenever shit like this pops up, it just makes things worse.
I still haven't continued the Kenshin Hokkaido Arc manga since it had returned. Could not separate the art from the artist. Didn't even bother watching the recent anime of it. In fact, i had completely forgotten about it
As an artist brother i have to tell you joey, the work is the artist 100%. Art comes from the mind of the painter, and the art is painted in the mind first.
Unfortunately people in power often get caught doing some sketchy things, this goes for all industries. Personally I can separate the art from the artist. Just because you do some sketch things in one area of your life, doesn't mean the work they created in another field is totally bad. That being said, it doesn't nullify their crimes or wrong doings On another note, would love to see you or Garnt's opinion on the new Beserk remake by studio eclipse. If you ever feel to talking about anime at some point.
I wouldn't put too much weight on his role as a producer and connection to the films he's involved with. Definitely doesn't tarnish any of those films for me.
Why should the names of the rest of the team be tarnished at all? They have (presumably) nothing to do with the actions of the person who committed the offense. Their work should still be appreciated, not disregarded just because one person in the team decided to do something wrong, to which they had no say in.
Makoto Shinkai is my favorite director of all time, with Garden of Words being my favorite anime movie of all time. So to hear this is gut wrenching especially when it's happened so many times before in this industry. But I am still going to keep watching Makoto Shinkai's films, because it's not just the producer's work. It's also Shinkai, and so many other people, illustrators, animators work. Their work means something. Even though these works have this stain on them now, I can just look at it as Shinkai films, which I love so dearly
I wouldn't say a producer "make" an anime. Producer's job is anything but artistic. They are in the business and finances side of things. In Fact, once producers snoop their noses on the artistry created by the Artists, 9/10 that's when a film goes to the trash. Only thing they can do that involve the artists are limiting production budget. That's it. ngl I wouldn't see Shinkai's film too differently. I don't need to seperate the artist to the art on this case. He is NOT an artist, he is a businessman.
No one should separate art from the artist especially if it is the main creator of a manga, buying volumes by saying it's just appreciating the art is wrong as it actively supports the criminal. But in this case, a team of hundreds of people shed sweat and tears for creating the masterpieces and we should not boycott the films for having one rotten apple in a bucked with hundreds of spotless ones. We just have to make sure the rotten one is thrown away in the garbage where it belongs never to be seen again.
I had a similar situation in my art community. There was a guy working for the anime convention and stepped down because of the things they did. Im a vendor who sells my own prodocts at the convention for my small business. So its the question of giving up on making money for my shop and stop vending there when the person has stepped down or do I continue sell there because Im there to make money for my business.
I’m still going to see it as well. I’m gonna see it as paying the artists animators and staff. Because I love that type of animation and hope captivating stories and animations of similar quality continues to be reproduced. I’m able to separate art from the artists. I know many people aren’t able to but it’s a more enjoyable life to not paint the producer as the main creator and just enjoy the art or story as is. Good luck.
I will also say, though, the producer is not necessarily or usually the artist-their job on film projects tend to be more managerial and operational. That isn’t to say that it’s not a valid issue to struggle to support or separate the work out, but I don’t think it’s fair to associate the producer of the work as an artist. If the person is cut out of any earnings from the projects, I don’t think it’s right to punish the actual artists and creators behind the work. Working in film and animation myself, I know I don’t want to support the work of monsterous people, or work with them, but I also never want to damn everyone involved in films, either. When some one is in a major creative role, like a writer, director, or leading actor, that’s very hard to separate and take out of stuff, but producers? Even having worked as a producer and having been proud of the work, I don’t think I can call it my creation, as it were. To me this would be like finding out a major manga editor at, say, Shonen Jump, had committed this sort of crime, and treating everything they had edited on as tainted.
As a member of film and animation I condemn and think it’s disgusting what the producer did and should hope shinkai can still make great films without him
That's my hope as well. I loved Your Name and Weathering With You, but I don't want to stop watching those movies because of a scummy producer. I want to watch them to support the creator and the rest of the good people working on it.
At this point I'm sure everyone knows there are PDs in everything, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Disney, Wizards of the Coast, Hasbro. Not to mention your local council men/women or teacher. Had 3 at my highschool alone. Morally if the producer tanks the whole team, then I'm sorry most every film you've enjoyed is guilty of one moral crime or another.
Damn thats such a shame. It definitely sours those great movies. The way I see it is, movies are made by a lot of people so I will continue to recommend them for the sake of all the other people who worked so hard in it. However, DONT support that terrible person and I hope he never gets to work again in the industry for the sake of everyone else.
I'm at a loss for words...as someone who been apart of the anime community its really heartbreaking and this type of behavior effects peopls lives. My thoughts and prayers go out to the people who are effected by this evil man.
Those movies mentioned are the sum of the work of multiple people, not just the producer. I don't think it's morally wrong to continue enjoying them. You won't deny hundreds of people because of one bad apple.
At least its not makoto shinkai. if it is makoto shinkai i would be devastated. Producers are more like manager puirchaser admin etc etc. so the art is not corrupted i think
Bet you if the age-of-consent rules were still at 13 in Japan, nobody would bat an eye then. Either way, it's still really messed up. Why does this keep happening nowadays? Why can't people just LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE?!
This is why I don't bother getting to know the people behind the scenes of anything and why I don't like following anything made all by the same person in case stuff like this happens.
Japanese anime has a LOT of "opened the girl's door without knocking" moments, and wardrobe malfunctions. Often the character caught undressed is the same age or younger than that producer's target. It's done often enough that most anime fans will see several scenes like this. The "must be censored" parts are, but it's like a point was made to show everything else. Even the most well-known shows can have these kinds of scenes. I understand that cultural differences exist, but what are the common Japanese views on this?
I feel as though there is a deeply rooted issue here that we're not addressing. You talked about how this man's actions will negatively affect his career, the careers of those around him, and the fans of his work. What you barely talked about was the victim. The 15-year-old girl. How does she feel? Is she okay? How long and how often was she being asked for those pictures? Is she the only victim? You implied that this type of situation is common, but it should be unsurprising. This is an industry that is notorious for oversexualizing women. The discussion should be less centered around this man's reputation and more about the significant lack of empathy many of these guys seem to have for women, especially young girls.
Bro, I thought it was Shinkai himself, with your title...But It's not, so yeah, I will continue to watch Your Name, if it's not the author. (Would have been different if it was the author, but it's not his fault)
I hope they were able to confirm that he was actually guilty and not just accepting his fate based on charges that will ruin lives even if they turn out false..
i was so happy but so heartbroken. Why i'm happy? I'm happy it's not Makoto. Cause i love this guy, and the Film he's been making for the Team and everything he did. But...Koichiro! is what broke my heart the Most! He was making fantastic and most amazing Anime movies i ever watched. Your name and Suzume are the ones i love the most...and then he does this! Why!?... this hurts me alot now...
I can separate the art from the artist based on before and after. on things they have already done sure because remember it wasn't the whole studio, animators, VA, etc. who committed the crime, and they for sure had no idea he was doing such things. But now if he releases any new works I am not supporting it because that would indicate that the whole production doesn't give a shit and that's a big no no
I feel like it definitely depends on how involved somebody is in a piece of art. A producer is actually not that bad I think, cus they usually are part of a producing company, rather than an independent producer. At the end of the day, I don't want somebody who has committed atrocities like this being rewarded or paid for it. If it means I have to stop following a series then so be it, but I'll look into them first to see if they were part of a company, if they have a stake in revenue even after serving jail time ETC. If it was a writer of a show then that might be kind of bad, because most writers are pretty imperative to a show and not very replaceable, unlike a producer. My condolences for the 15 year old girl. I hope she wasn't affected by this too much.
Thank you for taking the time to research and talk about these topics. The more awareness that can be raised about these issues and the more we can openly discuss them and address them especially on popular UA-cam channels the more people can be educated on such important matters. These horrible acts DO ruin people’s lives and they shouldn’t go unnoticed. Thank you Joey.
Joey what's the big F ing deal? Isn't the age if consent in Japan 16, I mean wasn't it like 13 a couple years ago until the rest of the world had to middle in.
That doesn't excuses the dude's action. But let's not be cynical or hipocrite, the loli complex is rooted in the japanese culture, the idol culture, the joshi wrestlers start at a very young age, the normalization of the train/subway harassament, the girls being sold at young age in order to become geishas, etc....I don't endorse the thing, but let's be honest, it's a cultural thing, to be cool with that, instead of seeing that as a bad thing. See the quantity of loli, teens or incest anime, not behaving as they should, accordingly to their age. 😅 Or the quantity of old man harassing teen idols. 😅
@@Pduarte79 I mean at least somebody gets it, it's not like I condone this sort of stuff but what people don't realize. Pedophiles in Japan aren't being demonized and witch hunted like in the west because it's just deep seeded into the culture. For example homosexuality within the samurai warrior and monks class just like pedophilia has been excepted through Japanese history and society. Even feudal lords such daimyos in the sengoku jidai were also known for having very young lovers. I mean it wasn't until 2014 were you would see the sell of DVD's of lewd idols and graphic novels dipecting very young children in very explicit ways out in the open until the Japanese government kept getting pressure to stop by the rest of the world. I don't really know why we still acting like this is a shock and something new for a manga or an anime production artist to do what is that is considered so normal in Japan. People say they love Japan but when it comes to the ugly truth, but Japan like so many countries has there own social baggage.
Dude, the fact that producers get a cut of a film's revenue... Why is the entertainment industry full of rich creeps? 😭 It's like no matter where you spend, your money lands in their pockets.
Does the producer get royalties based on the sales? If not, then he isn't getting any of the money from these films going forward. If the charges against the Rurouni Kenshin creator were dismissed, what is the problem? Especially considering that we are talking about the Japanese legal system that has an over 99% conviction rate.
Situation is simple: that was the producer, the money giver basically. So honestly - I have no issue with supporting the rest of the creators, like Shinkai Makoto, or guys from Radwimps, who created one of the most memorable songs of the decade. Not their fault, and Shinkai needs to find another producer to finance his films. Sometimes creators are treated like idols and people often forget they are fallible. Of course it's devastating, always is, but we, as anime fans, can only condemn such people and hope bad apples are rare. :/ Nowadays we just know more about public figures,. but did you know that Rousseau, a French philosopher, famous for his advocating for children gave five of his own children to orphanage right after they were born? Public figures are only people, sometimes despicable ones but because of their popularity their dirt comes out at all. I am sure, that if Michael Jackson did nor become famous we probably wouldn't even know how cruel his father was to him and his siblings. Unfortunately with fame comes bigger focus on the individual and their wrongdoing is that much more highlighted. Had not these two guys (Ito and Watsuki) been famous, we'd probably just hear about yet another Japanese man caught dealing in illegal behaviour towards minors. :/ I wouldn't blame anime industry, though, but human nature, as such. In some countries these urges are treated quite normal and are sanctioned by the law. :/ This is much bigger issue and it's just sad it happened again within anime industry. :/
Does Joey know that there are bad people everywhere in the world that's how the world works there are disgusting people in the anime industry, in Hollywood in politics in every facet of life there are bad people. I feel like he just hates everyone in the anime industry now instead of just the people that deserve the hate. Don't get me wrong this producer is horrible but Makoto Shinkai is the mastermind behind these films not the producer. Shouldn't we be celebrating that these bad people are getting exposed instead of ranting about everyone in anime being bad. Like saying "the anime industry has done another whoopsie" is just wrong and disrespectful to the good people in this industry.
Joey apprently revels in not being able to.. That's really disappointing.. I think the culture is moving in the right direction on this.. about time Joey caught up..
I do believe in holding the people who do bad thing accountable, but I really think that it depends on what that art meant to you. For example, the Harry Potter franchise was something I hold dear to my heart. It came out around the same time I moved to a new school far from any friends and it was what helped me be able to bond with the other students around me. I was able to find a lot of new friends, even learned a lot about myself too. Then the whole mess with JK happened and while I hate the creator and what she is doing, I can't hate what the books did for me when I was at a low point. This is a feeling I have for anything that is put out into the world if it has had a very lasting impression on me. Because if I let what the creator did take away something I feel so close to and so dear to, then what will I have left in this world?
It’s terrible news. It won’t change my perceptions of the films. That’s like saying anyone who worked on them are bad and shouldn’t be compensated or supported for their work due to one persons actions. That’s not a very good approach to anything. Hundreds of people work on them. He will go to jail if he did it. Justice served. You’re sounding a bit virtue signally with this one. You do you, but with respect, I don’t agree with you on this one.
keeping up with the news joey thats good joey. and yess i do manage to seperate the art from the artist, ive did it with rurouni kenshin and i will do it for your name anime.
The creation(anime,movie,manga,etc) can be enjoyed and appreciated as it is. It is Koichiro Ito that fked up, and not any of the movies. Lumping all the negative feelings together is a shallow and misguided way of viewing things. It is only right that we should see things as it is!
Well that sucks. I've become kinda numb to these stories at this point, like its a horrible thing of course but people keep acting surprised when people from (Insert extremely large group of people) do bad things. Like duh if you group a few million+ people together like UA-camrs or in this case various anime industry staff or mangaka its gonna be a thing with some of them every once in a while. I just hope the victims are okay.
I struggle with that dilemma too of separating the art vs the artist. As I get older, I feel more strongly about being unable to separate those two things. There is some intention with it tho, not just a feeling. I draw the line at these "things" when I learn it is problematic or has problematic origins. I think when people keep up with current events and participate in the socio-political climate they may reach a fork and decide to either stay ambivalent or begin to take personal accountability. I don't think one trumps the either because its a deeply personal way to navigate the world around us. It's basically the "my personal choice won't enact any real change" verses "change has to start somewhere" argument.
I agree with not being able to support an artist or work if said artist has committed something bad. I've seen first hand how people's wrong actions affect others directly and it really makes me feel awful. My friend was in a now very popular girl vocal group here in Japan. She was bullied to the point of suicidal thoughts, anxiety, and literally being hospitalized. Did the agency handling them do anything? No...they ignored all of the things that were happening to her and everyone blamed here because her brother is a famous actor and she was just lucky to have that connection so she should just endure it... Obviously the group debuted without her. She left Japan for a while to help with her mental health and she is now under another agency and living her best life. Everytime I see those girls on TV or hear their group name I get so angry...
I think the main reason that anime has the reputation that it does is because of the actual content, not the fact that a few individuals do messed up stuff, I mean the only time I ever even hear about it is on this channel. No one talks about it in the western media. like, look at all the sleazy stuff that happens in hollywood. Doesn't have any impact on the popularity of Hollywood stuff.
To save time, Joey is covering this news from February. This is a few months old and even then the DIRECTOR and creator of Your Name wasn’t involved but has spoken out about the person in question, which was the Producer.
Personally, being a massive massive fan of your name and above mentioned films this is just incredibly hard to look at but at the same time I can never never in my entire life forget the emotions that I felt while watching them. So yeah in the back of my mind this tragic thing will be there but it won't affect my love for the movies..
He probably read to many producer-sama hentai. Producers mostly fund the projects not create them. So he just think of them as a sponsor then it'll be fine for the company. And you're right, it is discouraging to constantly see people of influence doing ill on the innocence.
The people who worked on the production shouldn't be punished because they had a monster in their mits. But honestly can't tell people how they should feel about a product they love.
11:10 nah,sorry but hard disagree here. You cannot guilty trip people in the name of the victims,if YOU cannot separate the artist from the art i pity you,is truly a shame but don't give us that "oh you don't care about the victims" bs ,because that what is BS. Give the criminal his sentence,protect the victim and is identify while doing the reparations needed,everything else is a overstep. Why should we attack or hold accountable a work or piece of art by the crimes of the people who worked on it? should we prohibit the consumption of a art piece because of the crimes the people who work on it did? to me the answer is a clear *NO* . Art speaks for it self,and exists for it's own sake.
@@NezeruGaming how any of this contradicts what i said? instead of trying to discredit me,looking at my channel,what about you actually makes a argument?
Anyone that value friends or family that are the target must realize that participants of bad conduct would come for their loved ones if given the opportunity. They are also feeding the evil and making it more popular encouraging more people into the evil environment, which increase demand for more victims causing more people to be at risk. Taking a strong stance against it, even if having to sacrifice loved art, makes it less tolerable and discourage people from it.
As soon as you brought up the art/artist I knew Rurouni Kenshin was going to get brought up somehow. It's the situation that challenged my stance on that the most. Personally, RK is super near and dear to my heart. When I was a kid going through a very hard time, I was contemplating leaving this world, and it was a quote from Kenshin and thinking about what his story is that stopped me in my tracks and kept me going. I feel like it's easy to get wrapped up in the wrongdoings of the creators and forget that art can help and be a positive influence on the people it reaches. It's obviously okay if you can't separate, but I don't think being attached to art means you don't care about the victims or that makes you a bad person.
Normally I'd agree with Joey's take on removing the artist from the work. The creators of those projects made that work and put their morals and ideals in it, which is still bad since you're absorbing the ideals and morals of those kinds of people. However, movies are known be a collaborative process where there are hundreds of people's morals/ ideals thrown at you. The thing is, the producer's role in a film is to fund and approve aspects of the movie. In terms of writers, actors, and animators, a producer's morals and ideals are hardly ever shown and are drowned out by the bigger roles of the film. I think it's still ok to consume even if the person that approved of the films did do some horrible stuff.
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I know Joey has to get clicks but for anyone wondering it’s not Makoto Shinkai who got arrested thankfully
Yeah… UA-cam sucks, when content creators feel the need to do this kinda of ish
My immediate reaction was “OH THANK GOD, it’s just the producer!” I mean, it’s still disgusting and awful, but I’ll take what positives I can in this situation.
oh ffs good to know
thank goodness lmao
@@sumrakdievcaright? They should not drag the director with him in that. He's just a wallet, producers don't have anything to do with directors. Why even mention the stuff he gave money to.
I'mma be honest, dragging down an entire team of dedicated and talented people because of a single scummy person is a bad move. The producer should be tried and judged accordingly, but to drop the support of these works because of a single person is the equivalent of throwing away a batch of good apples because there's a rotten one in the middle. What the producer did is despicable, but the rest of the people shouldn't be forced to be dragged down for one bad apple.
Yeah. People still watch classic films produced by Harvey Weinstein even though he the face of sexual abuse in the entertainment industry. We all need to talk about these cases of corruption and deviance, but for the most part, we don't need to disregard the work of many people who didn't do those things.
This reminds me a lot of another producer: Johnathan Tzachor.
Which for those who don't know was the head producer and show runner of Power Rangers.
He's thankfully gone now, and has been replaced with better people(as of this reply)
Guilt by association was a historically japanese culture thing, and in some places the concept is still practiced (*coughcough*zoomers*cough*)!
As a cultural thing, the practice of a samurai's retainers committing suicide, simultaneous with the samurai that they served, was called tsuifuku.
Though you can argue that this isn't that, the dynamic of hierarchical power in a formal setting lends itself to a modern business rendition of how work associates "go down with a ship" as a result, often times with no say whatsoever.
Yeah it’s not like he composed all the music and drew every frame. I’m sure as the producer he was probably highly involved but he definitely didn’t single handedly create all of these movies
But isn't the saying "one bad apple can spoil the bunch?"
This isn’t like a manga made by one or two people, this was a producer on films made by hundreds of people, directors, artists, voice actors, musicians, etc. To say the entire movie isn’t worth supporting because one guy in a hundred is a screw up is childish.
Same thoughts
Its like saying you hate north Korean because Kim is a dictator
100% agree.
it feel shallow and superficial af
fr, i was gonna comment that, but we shouldnt turn a blind eye to it but we can still support makoto shinkai and his works since he was the one who created the story not that guy
But HIS name must be removed from the credits!
Yup I totally get ya’ll, that total shit of a person was just the producer and it’s not like that he created those movies, it’s just that he threw the money. Shinkai can get new producers in a Snap of his fingers 😕😕
NOOOO NOT MAKOTO SHINKAI
Edit* 2 seconds into video: Oh- Phew
THIS WAS MY EXACT THOUGHT PROCESS
Bro same
As much as I agree with not supporting the producer for their vile criminal act that they have committed, I also want to support and appreciate Makoto Shinkai, the animators, and everyone else for making one of the most beautiful anime films out there. Separating the art from the artist may be difficult for some but as you get older, and it's sad to say but you slowly realize that criminal acts aren't that rare in the entertainment industry. That's my two cents on the matter.
This is a crime to where Separating Art from Artist arguments fall through the cracks to MANY people because of their closeness to others who've experienced such atrocities IRL.
Defending the art is fine, but not when it's dismissive of the actual crime. Like dude said, this will hover over every name involved with the criminal in question. And the only way to credibly defend the art he heavily participated in making is to say you don't care about his involvement. Like, straight up.
I have to agree. I LOVE Your Name and Weathering With You, but I will only praise Makoto Shinkai and not the producer after hearing this!
Quite not hard for me OP.
Unless the crime itself is directly has something to do with your work.
@@ivanwilliams7413a “Producer” has nothing to do with the “art” of animation. It’s the directors and animators who work hard to create the story and visuals while the producer just takes care of the logistics. Cancelling the entire thing is like cancelling a farmer because the supermarket that sells his produce did a crime.
@@ivanwilliams7413 The premise of "Separate Art from Artist" is a logical fallacy, specifically, the Cognitive Dissonance Fallacy. It's an extreme form of denial that disconnects people from reality.
Joey with the "math teacher who hates his job" look
Good old days when tax evasion was the most rampant crime in the anime industry
Ufotable: You tell them bro
Wait, isn't this old news by now? Shinkai already reacted to this with a statement. He was basically ashamed at what his producer did.
The new big scandal right now is *Toru Furuya* (Yamcha VA) being a scum, adulterer, abuser & manipulator.
Yaa don't know why he is covering it no2
Oh i left the same comment earlier. But yours was more complete. I prefer calling him as the VA of Sabo from One Piece, the biggest anime in japan currently.
Fr, I thought it was going to be about the recent story
Toru furuya is amuro ray, pegasus seiya, tuxedo mask and other plethora famous anime characters what a shame
none of those are crimes though unless abuse is actual assault but these days even yelling at someone gets called “abuse”
Why is it so hard for these people to just idk stay away from kids?
They’re born that way it’s not their fault, the problem is that they don’t seek help
They literally just changed the age of consent there to 16 recently LOL it's a country full of pedophiles
@@Darwin-sama mental help in Japan doesn’t really exist. The culture is very anti-physiology, and counseling isn’t strongly protected or even treated as health.
@@Darwin-sama yo anyway unless its under 13 its not PDF even tho CP Is illegal no matter Age of consense
@@hitto8863 the age of consent went up in japan so stop being fuking gross. it's 16 and in most cities it's 18
If we are "boycotting" every production that has people involved in negative scandals, we might just be left with our own imagination.
Not supporting the creep is a yes, but to stop supporting a whole lot of production team is just too extreme...
from "Your Name" to "Your Nude Selfies"
sounds like the name of some XXX movie
A standard Tinder interaction
Canceling an entire film because of the producer is like canceling a farmer because the market/brand that sells his produce did a crime.
Those creeps ARE everywhere, not just animé. Religion, influencers, social media, content creators, cults, families.... Welcome to the human race. The only way to help victims is to be a safe space.
"If this guy is doing it, god knows how many other creeps are hanging around the anime and manga industry."
As opposed to Hollywood? This shit has been a problem for years in entertainment. If they want to stop supporting manga and anime for these reasons, then they should stop consuming anything Hollywood.
I think its still higher age if, yeah an issue, but hollywood i think its most eary is, odd fixating on legal age , and harassmen and pressure in general, and not 12? a bit older still usually.
Which still not good. but ..
The dan schneider stuff like is , not good but they care about , ok lets hope that scares at least to that blatantr engage in japan :( , hopefully:( through it needs actual reforms in the industry there, not just arresting animators
i dont think he said we should stop supporting manga or anime?
Fax, I mean even Oshi No Ko is covering it heavily through it's run
@@selvaa1592 I think the point he's making is that whenever Joey makes videos like this he always goes for the "if there's one creep, the entire industry might be full of creeps too" generalization blame game which puts an obvious majorly negative image on the entire industry during a time when Japanese pop-culture entertainment is like the main target for destruction from crazies from the West.
I've commented this before in one of Joey's videos. ANY industry will have creeps. Especially so with entertainment and pop-culture. If he reacts like this and gives this image onto his 800k followers, that's quite a large sphere of influence. It also gives ammunition to people who have dark goals towards destroying the Japanese pop-culture and entertainment industry in favor of whatever garbage the West is currently trying to peddle to people. What about Hollywood? What about the same industries in Arab countries? What about in Bollywood? All of these likely have creeps like these. Perhaps Hollywood is even the worst of them all for all we know. Joey needs to understand that his words have weight, and that he should choose them carefully. We should all know by know how hellish the anime/manga/light novel industry in Japan can be for the people that work there. If he is to focus on these creeps, he should not generalize all of the people working there with such a negative image as with any country's version of the entertainment industry.
It's not just entertainment though. Thousands of people are arrested every year for crimes against children. We only read headlines about the ones involved with famous projects, because they generate ad revenue. If some random guy in the town next to yours gets arrested for the same crime you probably wouldn't know about it. I understand that when you google these projects now it's possible for articles about this producer to be in the results. That sucks, especially for all the people who worked on these films, but it's not representative of the work they did.
putting a sponsor in the middle of a video about a pedo abusing a 15 year old girl? what a scummy and insensitive thing to do
People need to leave kids alone. So tired of seeing these things happen. It’s not hard to just not solicit children. Ya just don’t.
Bruh, I JUST finished watching ‘Quiet On Set’. These famous creators gotta stop doing this shit
Thankfully it was a producer, not the creative director. It was just a money man
The problem is famous creators get away with a lot.
I am right there with you!
This needs to stop!
everi time you see their works they comit another crime, even if is just a clip or a image
@ComputerGameAmbienceso what? Are you one of those people that cannot differentiate between fiction and reality?
To your point about no longer being able to enjoy something because of the artist's actions. I get it, but like, this guy was a producer of these projects, not the director. Depending on his amount of involvement he isn't an artist, he's just a producer. Maybe for animation it's different, but at least for live action producer's never seem that attached to creating the story imo.
Honestly I hate how people casually say things like „he made those anime movies“….he was the freaking producer, he was only responsible for the whole financial organisation behind the scenes…the producer of a film isn’t really involved in the actual production (unlike people in a supervisor position or the director). Like yea you obviously should mention that he was a mentionable producer of those films but I find it regally annoying how every news site (and joey as well) has to start of with a big headline like „creator of Suzume arrested for […]“ as this in my opinion shines bad light on the ACTUAL creator of these films - makoto shinkai, who is not a fault whatsoever.
He was a producer. That's the person who puts talent and money together. He's one of the creators by default.
Regardless, the whinging over this specificity is hilariously stupid considering the crime.
@@ivanwilliams7413 *You know. I have a feeling that's what hollywood producers and game producers like to say* when they go around changing stuff they don't understand.
In practice, anyone who works with creative productions, including the producers who take their work seriously, know that while some may work more roles than just being a producer, what they are are managers, not creators.
*Managers manage money and people so that the Creators can focus on making the movie.*
I think its not the media to blame but the guy who did the crime to blame 😅. He is the pedo and he is the one who did the crime, he is part of creating the anime and that is just a fact, does he shed bad light on others working on this project and animators and on the anime itself etc ..yes but that is on him and something he should have thought about,that is not on the media that is just stating facts. Its very important people mention his role in the anime as a headliner because it also shed light on the issue in japan of manga and anime. Because It is an issue,pedo culture is big here because of it, pressure on women to be young and cute and stay that way is in this, pedophiles being created is part of this issue ,the porn industry full of highschool girls in uniforms is part of this. This sheds light on a bigger picture of the issue.
If they would stop making these anime always about love stories or sexualiIng highschool kids it would help out against this issue a lot.
I live in japan and the amount of 50 year old man obsessed with highschool girls anime that are in skimpy highschool uniforms is crazy. My ex neighbour had a car with an anime girl on it that looked 13 in a really skimpy sexual outfit and drawn almost naked... That is the reality man face here in japan and how they grow up with here .. this is a bigger issue and yes if its a producer doing this shit it should be mentioned in connection to what he created. Luckily this guy didnt create to bad of a anime but again this is just the tip of the iceberg.
This honestly reminds me of another person: Johnathan Tzachor
Which for those who don't know, was the head producer and show runner of Power Rangers.
He’s no artist, artists are the people who worked really really hard for those projects and he just threw in the money. Shinkai can get a new producer within a snap of his fingers😢
If this was Shinkai himself i would agree, but producers don't matter. Anyone couldve been a producer on these movies, and they would still be the same movie.
I can understand the anger, because shitty people like this getting away with it for so long because of their positions is a huge problem, like Harvey Weinstein, but its a very different situation than the Ruronin Kenshin situation where its the actual creator.
Don't let a shitty producer ruin your enjoyment of the movie they were smart enough to put their name on. Be happy that they got caught, and now can no longer taint the future works that come out in any way.
Shinkai is infected with evil as long as his name is in the credits.
While I agree with you, normies cannot separate art and the people who worked on it. Which I understand you have to boycott things you don’t like. The problem is almost everyone has dirt on themselves. Some dirt is worse of course.
Using Harvey Weinstein is a bad example. He was known for altering and editing films without input from the director. Regardless of your bad example, a producer's input varies from projects from music to shows to movies. They usually always have creative control, but most of the time, they let they director's do their jobs unless they lose confidence or have a very controlijg personality Wienstien does.. I'm not sure how different Hollywood is from the Japanese anime industry.
I mean, him publicly being ashamed , helkps, if he defended him, not good, but thank god he doesnt seem to do that.
Its like not liking dogma despite weinstein , and to credit, kevin smith kept in in limbo to not make weinstein any money, but yeah that is not nessesary on the creator.
Producers matter wtf
Here's another 'woopsie' that made head lines recently: Furuya Toru, voice actor famous for his role as Amuro Ray in 'Mobile Suit Gundam', recently admitted to having an extramarital affair with a female fan that lasted for over four and a half years. The relationship involved physical abuse and coercing his affair partner into having an abortion. He wrote his confession on Twitter.
I honestly don't know why it's hard for some people to not be assholes.
You know the JP public will blame the girl as well and dude will get off mostly scot-free...
@@DizY_8 Nope. He's getting the full force of the anger. He's 100% being blamed by everyone and their mother.
People can be like this. Especially if workaholics.
You should know this by now.
Fame and money gets to you, it can make you do some bad stuff you wouldn’t do when you weren’t
@@Darwin-sama It's more complicated than that. can money and fame have somewhat of affect on a person's psyche? Yes but not to such a degree that they change completely as a person. Fame and money itself doesn't change people. It's usually the environment they're in or the person was already an asshole but couldn't act due to the limitations they had. Once the limitations were gone due to fame and fortune, then their true nature is amplified; money makes you more of who you already are. As for the environment, unfortunately, infidelity and corruption is common among the higher status in society (politicians, celebrities, business people, medical professions, etc.). So when it's around you, the temptation gets stronger (basically as the saying goes: 'if 5 of your friends are smokers, you'll be the 6th'). And when you have a bunch of young women reaching out to you, the temptation gets worse (same thing for women having men reaching out).
t's easy for me to separate the art from the artist when in that case Koichiro Ito was just one of the people supplying paint to the artist. I'm not going to think about a producer when I watch an anime or movie, when every headline always talks about Makoto Shinkai. I'm not going to let one producer ruin whole works that SO many people put their soul into. Of course, it'd be way different had it actually been Makoto Shinkai who was accused, or if multiple of the staff had been on it that'd be way harder to ignore, and at that point I wouldn't be able to in good faith keep supporting that content.
A lot of people worked on these films and I agree with some others, he didn't write or direct any of them. So, I believe it's perfectly fine to still enjoy them.
Edit:
Yoshihiro Furusawa ... executive producer
Tatsuro Hatanaka ... co-producer
Minami Ichikawa ... chief executive producer
Shin'ichirô Inoue ... co-producer
*Kôichirô Itô ... producer*
Noritaka Kawaguchi ... chief executive producer / producer
Genki Kawamura ... producer
Yukari Kiso ... line producer: The Answer Studio
Yûichi Sakai ... line producer (as Yuuichi Sakai)
Katsuhiro Takei ... producer
Masanori Yumiya ... co-producer
Junji Zenki ... co-producer
Kenji Ôta ... chief executive producer (as Kenji Ohta)
There's over a dozen producers for Your Name on IMDB. He wasn't even one of the main producers. The articles are just clickbait.
There's a special part of hell dedicated to people using scummy clickbait like this. Your videos are great, and we'll gladly click on them without tricks like this.
There is no clickbait?
@@RoanoraZoro123there is clickbait. The thumbnail makes it look like Makoto Shinkai himself did something bad
@@toristeunebrink5705 that is the picture of the producer tho?
It's 100% clickbait
Joey does know that's not the creator right?
Yea, clickbait as always.
Clickbait...
Dude needs clicks to get money
It wasn't Makoto Shinkai, so why would he be on the thumbnail?
Did ya watch the video?
I'm still gonna support since it wasn't just this one guy who made all these movies. Dozens of people poured hundreds of hours into these works and I don't want them getting dragged down because of one man's depravity.
Bad enough that a certain mob of people has a tendency to insult anime fans by calling them "basement dwelling CP", but whenever shit like this pops up, it just makes things worse.
The man in the thumbnail looks like joey himself.. It's like he's the criminal
I thought the same thing
His crime is making a cheap click-bait thumbnail.
@@androyusHow is it clickbait if it's the producer of that exact movie?
Edit- just realised he changed the thumbnail. That was quick
@@androyus let the man get his views bro 😮💨
@@princeblackelf4265 Me too.
I still haven't continued the Kenshin Hokkaido Arc manga since it had returned. Could not separate the art from the artist. Didn't even bother watching the recent anime of it. In fact, i had completely forgotten about it
As an artist brother i have to tell you joey, the work is the artist 100%. Art comes from the mind of the painter, and the art is painted in the mind first.
Unfortunately people in power often get caught doing some sketchy things, this goes for all industries. Personally I can separate the art from the artist. Just because you do some sketch things in one area of your life, doesn't mean the work they created in another field is totally bad. That being said, it doesn't nullify their crimes or wrong doings
On another note, would love to see you or Garnt's opinion on the new Beserk remake by studio eclipse. If you ever feel to talking about anime at some point.
Thirst, the greatest tool of self-destruction.
I wouldn't put too much weight on his role as a producer and connection to the films he's involved with.
Definitely doesn't tarnish any of those films for me.
Makoto shinkai gotta make a diss track with this one
Shinkai "Lamar" Makoto
"Say Ito, I hear you like em young
I hope you never go to cell block one"
Why should the names of the rest of the team be tarnished at all? They have (presumably) nothing to do with the actions of the person who committed the offense. Their work should still be appreciated, not disregarded just because one person in the team decided to do something wrong, to which they had no say in.
Makoto Shinkai is my favorite director of all time, with Garden of Words being my favorite anime movie of all time. So to hear this is gut wrenching especially when it's happened so many times before in this industry. But I am still going to keep watching Makoto Shinkai's films, because it's not just the producer's work. It's also Shinkai, and so many other people, illustrators, animators work. Their work means something. Even though these works have this stain on them now, I can just look at it as Shinkai films, which I love so dearly
I wouldn't say a producer "make" an anime. Producer's job is anything but artistic. They are in the business and finances side of things. In Fact, once producers snoop their noses on the artistry created by the Artists, 9/10 that's when a film goes to the trash. Only thing they can do that involve the artists are limiting production budget. That's it.
ngl I wouldn't see Shinkai's film too differently. I don't need to seperate the artist to the art on this case. He is NOT an artist, he is a businessman.
No one should separate art from the artist especially if it is the main creator of a manga, buying volumes by saying it's just appreciating the art is wrong as it actively supports the criminal. But in this case, a team of hundreds of people shed sweat and tears for creating the masterpieces and we should not boycott the films for having one rotten apple in a bucked with hundreds of spotless ones. We just have to make sure the rotten one is thrown away in the garbage where it belongs never to be seen again.
I had a similar situation in my art community. There was a guy working for the anime convention and stepped down because of the things they did. Im a vendor who sells my own prodocts at the convention for my small business. So its the question of giving up on making money for my shop and stop vending there when the person has stepped down or do I continue sell there because Im there to make money for my business.
Why does this always happen?!
I actually went to see Suzume in cinemas for my birthday
I’m still going to see it as well.
I’m gonna see it as paying the artists animators and staff. Because I love that type of animation and hope captivating stories and animations of similar quality continues to be reproduced.
I’m able to separate art from the artists. I know many people aren’t able to but it’s a more enjoyable life to not paint the producer as the main creator and just enjoy the art or story as is. Good luck.
I will also say, though, the producer is not necessarily or usually the artist-their job on film projects tend to be more managerial and operational. That isn’t to say that it’s not a valid issue to struggle to support or separate the work out, but I don’t think it’s fair to associate the producer of the work as an artist. If the person is cut out of any earnings from the projects, I don’t think it’s right to punish the actual artists and creators behind the work. Working in film and animation myself, I know I don’t want to support the work of monsterous people, or work with them, but I also never want to damn everyone involved in films, either. When some one is in a major creative role, like a writer, director, or leading actor, that’s very hard to separate and take out of stuff, but producers? Even having worked as a producer and having been proud of the work, I don’t think I can call it my creation, as it were. To me this would be like finding out a major manga editor at, say, Shonen Jump, had committed this sort of crime, and treating everything they had edited on as tainted.
As a member of film and animation I condemn and think it’s disgusting what the producer did and should hope shinkai can still make great films without him
That's my hope as well. I loved Your Name and Weathering With You, but I don't want to stop watching those movies because of a scummy producer.
I want to watch them to support the creator and the rest of the good people working on it.
At this point I'm sure everyone knows there are PDs in everything, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Disney, Wizards of the Coast, Hasbro. Not to mention your local council men/women or teacher. Had 3 at my highschool alone. Morally if the producer tanks the whole team, then I'm sorry most every film you've enjoyed is guilty of one moral crime or another.
Damn thats such a shame. It definitely sours those great movies. The way I see it is, movies are made by a lot of people so I will continue to recommend them for the sake of all the other people who worked so hard in it. However, DONT support that terrible person and I hope he never gets to work again in the industry for the sake of everyone else.
I'm at a loss for words...as someone who been apart of the anime community its really heartbreaking and this type of behavior effects peopls lives. My thoughts and prayers go out to the people who are effected by this evil man.
Those movies mentioned are the sum of the work of multiple people, not just the producer. I don't think it's morally wrong to continue enjoying them. You won't deny hundreds of people because of one bad apple.
I'm not sure Ground News wanted this video to be their ad video
Weird video to talk about looking at things from the other side. Fact checking is good. But looking for counter arguments is not right here.
At least its not makoto shinkai. if it is makoto shinkai i would be devastated. Producers are more like manager puirchaser admin etc etc. so the art is not corrupted i think
Bet you if the age-of-consent rules were still at 13 in Japan, nobody would bat an eye then. Either way, it's still really messed up. Why does this keep happening nowadays? Why can't people just LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE?!
This is why I don't bother getting to know the people behind the scenes of anything and why I don't like following anything made all by the same person in case stuff like this happens.
Japanese anime has a LOT of "opened the girl's door without knocking" moments, and wardrobe malfunctions. Often the character caught undressed is the same age or younger than that producer's target. It's done often enough that most anime fans will see several scenes like this. The "must be censored" parts are, but it's like a point was made to show everything else. Even the most well-known shows can have these kinds of scenes. I understand that cultural differences exist, but what are the common Japanese views on this?
You're a natural, keep doing what you do
I feel as though there is a deeply rooted issue here that we're not addressing. You talked about how this man's actions will negatively affect his career, the careers of those around him, and the fans of his work.
What you barely talked about was the victim. The 15-year-old girl. How does she feel? Is she okay? How long and how often was she being asked for those pictures? Is she the only victim?
You implied that this type of situation is common, but it should be unsurprising. This is an industry that is notorious for oversexualizing women. The discussion should be less centered around this man's reputation and more about the significant lack of empathy many of these guys seem to have for women, especially young girls.
Bro, I thought it was Shinkai himself, with your title...But It's not, so yeah, I will continue to watch Your Name, if it's not the author. (Would have been different if it was the author, but it's not his fault)
I hope they were able to confirm that he was actually guilty and not just accepting his fate based on charges that will ruin lives even if they turn out false..
i was so happy but so heartbroken.
Why i'm happy? I'm happy it's not Makoto. Cause i love this guy, and the Film he's been making for the Team and everything he did.
But...Koichiro! is what broke my heart the Most! He was making fantastic and most amazing Anime movies i ever watched. Your name and Suzume are the ones i love the most...and then he does this! Why!?... this hurts me alot now...
Wonder if he's gonna talk about Toru Furuya
I can separate the art from the artist based on before and after.
on things they have already done sure because remember it wasn't the whole studio, animators, VA, etc. who committed the crime, and they for sure had no idea he was doing such things.
But now if he releases any new works I am not supporting it because that would indicate that the whole production doesn't give a shit and that's a big no no
I feel like it definitely depends on how involved somebody is in a piece of art. A producer is actually not that bad I think, cus they usually are part of a producing company, rather than an independent producer. At the end of the day, I don't want somebody who has committed atrocities like this being rewarded or paid for it. If it means I have to stop following a series then so be it, but I'll look into them first to see if they were part of a company, if they have a stake in revenue even after serving jail time ETC. If it was a writer of a show then that might be kind of bad, because most writers are pretty imperative to a show and not very replaceable, unlike a producer.
My condolences for the 15 year old girl. I hope she wasn't affected by this too much.
Isn’t there also a VA controversy going on over there?
I think the reason that producer guy is doing such a creepy thing is very simple & basic: lust.
This arrest appeared to have happened in February 2024, so not exactly news.
Thank you for taking the time to research and talk about these topics. The more awareness that can be raised about these issues and the more we can openly discuss them and address them especially on popular UA-cam channels the more people can be educated on such important matters. These horrible acts DO ruin people’s lives and they shouldn’t go unnoticed. Thank you Joey.
Joey what's the big F ing deal? Isn't the age if consent in Japan 16, I mean wasn't it like 13 a couple years ago until the rest of the world had to middle in.
That doesn't excuses the dude's action. But let's not be cynical or hipocrite, the loli complex is rooted in the japanese culture, the idol culture, the joshi wrestlers start at a very young age, the normalization of the train/subway harassament, the girls being sold at young age in order to become geishas, etc....I don't endorse the thing, but let's be honest, it's a cultural thing, to be cool with that, instead of seeing that as a bad thing. See the quantity of loli, teens or incest anime, not behaving as they should, accordingly to their age. 😅
Or the quantity of old man harassing teen idols. 😅
@@Pduarte79 I mean at least somebody gets it, it's not like I condone this sort of stuff but what people don't realize. Pedophiles in Japan aren't being demonized and witch hunted like in the west because it's just deep seeded into the culture. For example homosexuality within the samurai warrior and monks class just like pedophilia has been excepted through Japanese history and society. Even feudal lords such daimyos in the sengoku jidai were also known for having very young lovers. I mean it wasn't until 2014 were you would see the sell of DVD's of lewd idols and graphic novels dipecting very young children in very explicit ways out in the open until the Japanese government kept getting pressure to stop by the rest of the world. I don't really know why we still acting like this is a shock and something new for a manga or an anime production artist to do what is that is considered so normal in Japan. People say they love Japan but when it comes to the ugly truth, but Japan like so many countries has there own social baggage.
@@Pduarte79 hey watch oit Joey censors and deletes comments he don't like. So I can't really have an interesting discussion of the topic here.
Dude, the fact that producers get a cut of a film's revenue... Why is the entertainment industry full of rich creeps? 😭 It's like no matter where you spend, your money lands in their pockets.
Joey. Joey... I misread this as director and thought "TF did Shinkai do?!"
Does the producer get royalties based on the sales? If not, then he isn't getting any of the money from these films going forward.
If the charges against the Rurouni Kenshin creator were dismissed, what is the problem? Especially considering that we are talking about the Japanese legal system that has an over 99% conviction rate.
Anyone notice how it's *_NEVER_* the lolicon artists/mangaka that are the topic in these stories? 🤔
But it has been many of times though.
@@Rinrinribbon Name a lolicon Mangaka that has gotten got then?
Situation is simple: that was the producer, the money giver basically. So honestly - I have no issue with supporting the rest of the creators, like Shinkai Makoto, or guys from Radwimps, who created one of the most memorable songs of the decade. Not their fault, and Shinkai needs to find another producer to finance his films.
Sometimes creators are treated like idols and people often forget they are fallible. Of course it's devastating, always is, but we, as anime fans, can only condemn such people and hope bad apples are rare. :/
Nowadays we just know more about public figures,. but did you know that Rousseau, a French philosopher, famous for his advocating for children gave five of his own children to orphanage right after they were born? Public figures are only people, sometimes despicable ones but because of their popularity their dirt comes out at all. I am sure, that if Michael Jackson did nor become famous we probably wouldn't even know how cruel his father was to him and his siblings. Unfortunately with fame comes bigger focus on the individual and their wrongdoing is that much more highlighted.
Had not these two guys (Ito and Watsuki) been famous, we'd probably just hear about yet another Japanese man caught dealing in illegal behaviour towards minors. :/
I wouldn't blame anime industry, though, but human nature, as such. In some countries these urges are treated quite normal and are sanctioned by the law. :/ This is much bigger issue and it's just sad it happened again within anime industry. :/
Does Joey know that there are bad people everywhere in the world that's how the world works there are disgusting people in the anime industry, in Hollywood in politics in every facet of life there are bad people. I feel like he just hates everyone in the anime industry now instead of just the people that deserve the hate. Don't get me wrong this producer is horrible but Makoto Shinkai is the mastermind behind these films not the producer. Shouldn't we be celebrating that these bad people are getting exposed instead of ranting about everyone in anime being bad. Like saying "the anime industry has done another whoopsie" is just wrong and disrespectful to the good people in this industry.
Yes. I am able to separate the art from the artist
Joey apprently revels in not being able to.. That's really disappointing.. I think the culture is moving in the right direction on this.. about time Joey caught up..
I do believe in holding the people who do bad thing accountable, but I really think that it depends on what that art meant to you. For example, the Harry Potter franchise was something I hold dear to my heart. It came out around the same time I moved to a new school far from any friends and it was what helped me be able to bond with the other students around me. I was able to find a lot of new friends, even learned a lot about myself too.
Then the whole mess with JK happened and while I hate the creator and what she is doing, I can't hate what the books did for me when I was at a low point. This is a feeling I have for anything that is put out into the world if it has had a very lasting impression on me. Because if I let what the creator did take away something I feel so close to and so dear to, then what will I have left in this world?
It’s terrible news. It won’t change my perceptions of the films. That’s like saying anyone who worked on them are bad and shouldn’t be compensated or supported for their work due to one persons actions. That’s not a very good approach to anything. Hundreds of people work on them. He will go to jail if he did it. Justice served. You’re sounding a bit virtue signally with this one. You do you, but with respect, I don’t agree with you on this one.
I FELL DOWN TO MY KNEES😭😭
Lmao why is Joey reading ABP news article 💀
What's even more surprising is that ABP writes articles like these
@@harshtarkar9640 Lol yeah, Idk I don't really drust any of Indian news channels these days ngl, even if this article actually felt genuine
keeping up with the news joey thats good joey. and yess i do manage to seperate the art from the artist, ive did it with rurouni kenshin and i will do it for your name anime.
It’s hard to separate art from the artist, especially when the artist is alive…
Director: we need to make a film about high school girls, go do your research
Producer: alright! I got my sources!
The creation(anime,movie,manga,etc) can be enjoyed and appreciated as it is.
It is Koichiro Ito that fked up, and not any of the movies. Lumping all the negative feelings together is a shallow and misguided way of viewing things.
It is only right that we should see things as it is!
Well that sucks. I've become kinda numb to these stories at this point, like its a horrible thing of course but people keep acting surprised when people from (Insert extremely large group of people) do bad things. Like duh if you group a few million+ people together like UA-camrs or in this case various anime industry staff or mangaka its gonna be a thing with some of them every once in a while. I just hope the victims are okay.
I'm just apathetic to this point. I'm like that blue fish guy from spongebob who opens the toilet and just say, "oh, what else is new."
@@veggsbacon1891 I wasn't trying to make a point. It is what it is.
@@veggsbacon1891 Being apathetic to this is the same as being guilty of it.
@@UltimateThanos Guilty of what?
I struggle with that dilemma too of separating the art vs the artist. As I get older, I feel more strongly about being unable to separate those two things. There is some intention with it tho, not just a feeling. I draw the line at these "things" when I learn it is problematic or has problematic origins. I think when people keep up with current events and participate in the socio-political climate they may reach a fork and decide to either stay ambivalent or begin to take personal accountability. I don't think one trumps the either because its a deeply personal way to navigate the world around us. It's basically the "my personal choice won't enact any real change" verses "change has to start somewhere" argument.
Joey hasnt covering ubisoft drama is surprising
I agree with not being able to support an artist or work if said artist has committed something bad. I've seen first hand how people's wrong actions affect others directly and it really makes me feel awful. My friend was in a now very popular girl vocal group here in Japan. She was bullied to the point of suicidal thoughts, anxiety, and literally being hospitalized. Did the agency handling them do anything? No...they ignored all of the things that were happening to her and everyone blamed here because her brother is a famous actor and she was just lucky to have that connection so she should just endure it... Obviously the group debuted without her. She left Japan for a while to help with her mental health and she is now under another agency and living her best life. Everytime I see those girls on TV or hear their group name I get so angry...
I think the main reason that anime has the reputation that it does is because of the actual content, not the fact that a few individuals do messed up stuff, I mean the only time I ever even hear about it is on this channel. No one talks about it in the western media. like, look at all the sleazy stuff that happens in hollywood. Doesn't have any impact on the popularity of Hollywood stuff.
hi joey, you are a real one. much luv from minnesota.
Same thing for Toriko's mangaka.
To save time, Joey is covering this news from February. This is a few months old and even then the DIRECTOR and creator of Your Name wasn’t involved but has spoken out about the person in question, which was the Producer.
Personally, being a massive massive fan of your name and above mentioned films this is just incredibly hard to look at but at the same time I can never never in my entire life forget the emotions that I felt while watching them. So yeah in the back of my mind this tragic thing will be there but it won't affect my love for the movies..
He probably read to many producer-sama hentai. Producers mostly fund the projects not create them. So he just think of them as a sponsor then it'll be fine for the company. And you're right, it is discouraging to constantly see people of influence doing ill on the innocence.
The people who worked on the production shouldn't be punished because they had a monster in their mits. But honestly can't tell people how they should feel about a product they love.
Bro the article was published 3 months ago.
I noticed this as well when I read some articles, this is old news. I thought this was recent like as in....right now.
11:10 nah,sorry but hard disagree here.
You cannot guilty trip people in the name of the victims,if YOU cannot separate the artist from the art i pity you,is truly a shame but don't give us that "oh you don't care about the victims" bs ,because that what is BS.
Give the criminal his sentence,protect the victim and is identify while doing the reparations needed,everything else is a overstep.
Why should we attack or hold accountable a work or piece of art by the crimes of the people who worked on it?
should we prohibit the consumption of a art piece because of the crimes the people who work on it did? to me the answer is a clear *NO* .
Art speaks for it self,and exists for it's own sake.
"Art speaks for itself".. brother, you have an AI covers playlist and a "localizers being cringe" playlist on your channel.
@@NezeruGamingintresting
@@NezeruGaming how any of this contradicts what i said?
instead of trying to discredit me,looking at my channel,what about you actually makes a argument?
Wait- I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone prefer Weathering With You over Your Name. Now there are two of us🤯
Anyone that value friends or family that are the target must realize that participants of bad conduct would come for their loved ones if given the opportunity. They are also feeding the evil and making it more popular encouraging more people into the evil environment, which increase demand for more victims causing more people to be at risk. Taking a strong stance against it, even if having to sacrifice loved art, makes it less tolerable and discourage people from it.
As soon as you brought up the art/artist I knew Rurouni Kenshin was going to get brought up somehow. It's the situation that challenged my stance on that the most. Personally, RK is super near and dear to my heart. When I was a kid going through a very hard time, I was contemplating leaving this world, and it was a quote from Kenshin and thinking about what his story is that stopped me in my tracks and kept me going. I feel like it's easy to get wrapped up in the wrongdoings of the creators and forget that art can help and be a positive influence on the people it reaches. It's obviously okay if you can't separate, but I don't think being attached to art means you don't care about the victims or that makes you a bad person.
Are you pirating the remake
Counterpoint. What are the chances the girl solicited it from someone clearly more richer/famous than she ever will be.
Normally I'd agree with Joey's take on removing the artist from the work. The creators of those projects made that work and put their morals and ideals in it, which is still bad since you're absorbing the ideals and morals of those kinds of people. However, movies are known be a collaborative process where there are hundreds of people's morals/ ideals thrown at you. The thing is, the producer's role in a film is to fund and approve aspects of the movie. In terms of writers, actors, and animators, a producer's morals and ideals are hardly ever shown and are drowned out by the bigger roles of the film. I think it's still ok to consume even if the person that approved of the films did do some horrible stuff.
It's definitely a visually stunning and emotionally moving film, but I always thought Your Name was creepy as shit and none of this surprises me.
I did not know the thing about the Rurouni Kenshin author...