Hi Jay, I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your videos. I’m a professional saxophonist in Australia and I recently stumbled across your channel while doing some online research into buying a new horn. It’s really awesome to see “real talk” educational online content that you’ve created and presented so well, and in such an enjoyable and authentic manner. Can’t wait to hear and see more. Best 👍👍
I play alto and I have spinal arthritis. Using ANY kind of neck strap is a non-starter. It causes excruciating pain. I bought a Sax Holder from Jazz Lab and I absolutely love it. It causes NO PAIN whatsoever. It does make me feel kind of dorky, like I'm wearing an alien from outer space or something, but it functions like a champ! Highly recommended. Great video!
I, and most sax teachers I know don't recommend those, because they allow the horn to bounce. It isn't good to have the horn moving up, and down while playing.
Clayton Kwater I know that there is a stretchy part in the strap but I’ve still never had the problem of it bouncing. Maybe it’s just the way some people like to play that causes a bounce but it has never been a problem for me.
Just found your channel and have really enjoyed your content. Keep up the good work! I have used the Just Joe's for several years and just recently started using the Sax Holder. Two things I have noticed are: 1) the Just Joe's strap would stain the collar of my shirts, which is not an issue with the Sax Holder; and 2) the Sax Holder can fit under my jacket, making it practically invisible. For me as a military musician, these considerations make it well worth the money invested in finding the right strap.
I've had the Balam Classic for almost a year now and I play tenor almost exclusively. I always found traditional neck straps to eventually start to make my neck sore which affected how long I would practice. Having the weight on your shoulders really makes a huge difference because I basically forget I even have a strap, which is cool, so I would personally recommend any strap to a tenor (and bari player) that shifts the weight to your shoulders. You'll be amazed at the difference. Three things I would share if someone is looking to buy a Balam. First, there are lots of ways to adjust it, including bending the aluminum straps (covered in leather) and also the back area behind the neck. I had to make adjustments to form a "V" shape behind my neck that caused the curved portion over my shoulders to spread out, otherwise it would dig into the sides of my neck if the curved portion on your shoulders went straight from back to front (if that makes sense). It's obviously very body specific but playing around with the adjustment behind your neck can be beneficial and isn't really obvious. The second thing is, as Jay mentions, the slider doesn't work great. It slips down constantly because the cord is slippery and the slider isn't very tight so you have to continually re-adjust the length. After awhile this can get annoying. The newer model tried to solve this problem with a hook that is part of the slider so you can prevent the slider from coming down. I ended up putting an "S" shaped thin rod cut from a coat hanger through the slider that hooks into the top and bottom of the slider. What that does is add pressure to the cords running through the slide and causes the slider to stay put. You could probably gently flatten out the slider (which is round) and get the same effect. The third thing I would mention is that I don't think you have to spend the extra $$ on the newest model because honestly, at least in my experience, you don't need the padding on the strap where they added it, I don't think it really does anything. The pressure is all on your shoulders where there is padding already on the Classic, having the padding on the part that sits on your chest to me is just marketing spin to make you buy the newer model but won't add anything in terms of comfort. Just my $.02.
Thanks for this additional info. The Balam strap is quite new to me. The locking mechanism on the premium version is not great. It doesn't attache easily, and when you attach it, the slider always slips a bit. Then you have to undo the lock before you can lower the slider to take the strap off. I don't find that this version slips very badly though. Maybe the different cord setup helps as well?
@@bettersax Yeah, I made a piece that emulated the hook on the new version so I could hook the slider and found it was a complete PIA and actually made the situation worse because I had to screw around with it way too much. It seems funny that something like a slider would be a big deal but when you're using it daily it really becomes pretty annoying and is definitely a design "challenge" with the Balam. The Balam is the best looking saxophone strap that has probably ever been built, it's like somebody in the jewelry business took a swipe at designing a saxophone strap, but that has it's negative points as well. Too complicated of a design in many ways and the slider seems to be a last second thought be a non-player. I have a photo of what solve the problem for me but I don't think I can upload it. Over time it seems like the slider issue gets worse as the cord almost gets slipperier the more you use it.
I have a variety of saxophones... my favorite is a Voodo Rex tenor because, for me, it's easy to play and like the tone. However, it's mostly copper and pretty heavy. And, for an old geezer (70), it can get pretty tough on the old bones. I have found that a shoulder harness works best for me for longer plays.
Broken neck at 11 (trampoline accident) necessitating a lifetime of sax harnesses and rigging. Watched this. Bought a Saxholder (not the knockoff). My world just got a little easier. Thanks so much, Jay. I had no idea it existed.
Have the JazzLab. I am a newbie but find I can practice standing for a long time without strain using it. I sometimes sit on a high stool and can play the tenor no problem to the side. It just pulls slightly to the left shoulder. Sure beats the jury rigged camera strap I was using. I'm 62 and could not care less what I look like. The sax is usually in front of it anyway :-) You have to take the time to rebend the arms to suit your shape. Great for the price.
I have the Jazzlab for my bari. It's great for playing standing up, though I've had a couple of times where it would start to "climb" off my shoulders. Not sure if it was shirt, adjustment, humidity at a gig, or what. But it's been really few, and it's great for standing and playing the bari. I can't play it sitting down, though. Have to use a regular strap for that.
Why would anyone spend hundreds to several thousand dollars on a sax, then cheap out on the strap you have to live with every time you have your hands on it?? Bad money management? :)
A mate of mine has a "harness" & it looks like a Training Bra. I haven't said anything because I value his friendship. The discomfort from the old school strap can make us FOCUS on specific practice. It also reminds me not play a long & boring solo. (now I play short & boring ones). Thanks for another great video.
Hello Jay, first of all, thank you for contributing to the saxophone playing community. You might like to know that the Balam neck strap (both deluxe and standard) can be adjusted for length. The standard version has knots at the top of the left and right cords on the front. The deluxe version has one single knot in the cords at the back of the metal height adjuster. Through these knots you can add/remove overall length and likely solves your challenge with the soprano (and most Conn saxophones) running out of height. The metal hooks in the neck of the strap are for adjusting the width (and not height position). It is taking me some time to set-up my Balam Deluxe (width, height, length and bend of the leather) and it is getting better every time.
Hey I’ve been interested in the Balam neck strap but I’m not sure if I should get the normal or the premium. I am a main bari player but I also have a tenor that I practice too so I was wondering if you know enough to suggest one of them to me. Not quite sure if I should go with the normal or spend 20 more for the premium. Hopefully you read this thanks
@@andred126 hey, I’m pretty sure I ended up with the premium and I like it quite well. It’s definitely better for Bari Sax than the normal one I would say. It allows for a lot more movement of the saxophone than the basic back strap that most Bari Sax players have in school or whatever. The one thing I haven’t yet bothered to check with my neck strap is to try to adjust it to my shoulders and how it lays, I know it’s metal but I forgot if it’s made to be adjusted or not but it’s fine anyways and it’s different for everyone. It definitely looks nice and is also very convenient for any other Sax you may play as well. If you’re thinking about getting it then I’d tell you that I’d give it a good rating and review
I used a padded neck strap for years and bari is my primary instrument. I didn't notice a problem until I got older, decades later. I developed a curvature in my neck from the weight pulling on the strap. I also threw out my back from the weight of the horn from time to time. It made a particular concert extremely painful to play in because I also used some of those muscles to breathe. That is when I switched to the Neotech harness. I changed out the hook. It may not be as convenient as the other straps, but with bari it does a better job of distributing the weight. I have not had a problem since. It is also a soft strap and folds up easily into my case.
@@FNBRVolts I do, but I'm always open to try something else. As a woman, I often have to where it under a shirt. So I'd love something else for performances, but I haven't found something better yet.
Hi…Just a couple of comments on your reviews… I Have both the saxHolder and Balam… Primarily use the Balam… and your comment about the length for Soprano and Alto is easily remedied… Make the cord shorter… which is what I did and it’s easy… and you’ll still have enough length for the Tenor and Bari adjustment you did. I don’t have the Super Deluxe one that you critiqued… and I just modified my Classic to suit me... I have a pacemaker I have to clear and the saxHolder and Classic Balam do just that. Another thing I did was “add” a saxHolder hook to the Balam (you can purchase from Jazzlab). I consider their Nylon over Stainless hook to be the best hook for saxes. My big PLUSES with Balam & saxHolder: 1. Freedom from neck pain. 2. Amount of motion allowed (unlike a sax harness). Minuses: 1. Storage in sax case… both do not fit in my cases (Alto not at all… Hiscox case. Tenor put in bell…SKB case). 2. The original metal hook on Balam… the little piece of plastic hose slips out of place and you get a metal to metal connection.
Don't, read (*DO NOT*) go with the cheap one with the plastic clips, padded or not. My rule is: hands on instrument, whatever it is, at ALL times. If your strap gives out, you are still covered because of that rule. Today, the cheap strap i was given unhooked. Lucky for me, thanks to the ironclad rule (hands on sax at ALL times) i was supporting it when it unhooked. It's new, no reason i could figure. It isn't easy to even get on the hook in the first place. So, that's going away immediately.
Hi Jay, I use Just Joe's one since 1 week, and I'm very happy with it (I play on Alto). Very confortable and compact ! My previous strap was more like a "seat bell" cord and was very slippy, far away from Just Joe's one ! :) Your video confirm me that I made a good choice, thank you !
@@bettersax Jay I’ve used a BG Harness ( Jimmy Heath recommended) on tenor after having developed arthritic bone chips in my neck after many years of Ray Hyman/Neotech et al. The harness saved my playing career. That said I think it has puts undue stress on my LH octave key thumb( arthritis there now too)! Have you heard of this? Would you say one of these would be worth checking given my history? Thanks so much for your great videos. I share them with my middle school band students!
The first strap I used was a Rico padded neck strap with my alto sax but after a while I had some discomfort on my neck and slight right hand tingling when playing my alto saxophone so replaced it with the JazzLab Saxholder before anything bad happened and it was the best thing I have used to relieve any discomfort and any similar issues and I hardly feel the weight of the saxophone while playing it and can play as long as I like and feel fine afterwards. The slide for the abdominal rest part took me a little while getting used to as it is rigid. I play sitting down often and sometimes I find the shoulder pads can be pushed up if your're wearing it and then sit down and when taking off my saxophone to put it in a stand as I usually bend down slightly to do that, but overall I find it great for the price.
Thanks so much for this and all of your videos. I too have started having neck issues as I get older and chose the Jazzlab sax holder. Love it! Works great with all of my horns. Comfortable and saved my neck. Interestingly, my lower register requires less adjustment to play. Also, about a year ago I was in the market for a new tenor. After watching one of your videos I went with the Yanny TWO 02. Could not be happier. Hands down my favorite sax. I pair it with the Vandoren hard rubber Large chamber mouthpiece and, for me, get a beautiful classic sound. Greatly appreciate your work.
Wait, you're telling me the reason I couldn't play well in Jazz band was because my neck strap was choking me? Why didn't I buy a neck-strap two years ago...
As usual very good and informative video Jay! My main strap is the Jazzlab. Because to me, its the one that puts the weight of the tenor away from my neck the best way. I don’t find any problem with sitting down and playing. Okey it looks a bit odd, so I have a Balam that works ok for gigs. But my neck is definitely most happy with the jazz lab. Haven’t tried just joes, but it looks much like a conventional neck strap with just some extra padding..as you say, probably works great for soprano and alto..
I have a strap that hooks around my neck and back and meets in the middle of mu chest for my tenor and it takes away all the stress on my neck. I also got it for a very cheap price.
The Jazzlab is the way to go. I play alto, I found that the back of my neck would start feeling numb during long practice sessions. The Jazzlab puts no weight at all on the neck. Looks funny, but the best neck strap I've ever used.
@@bettersax I use the JazzLab for Tenor, no neck or back pain. Agree that it looks a bit weird which is the only drawback. The guys in my band call it the Stethoscope.
Agree with both in this thread: I’m a tenor player and I’ve had the Saxholder for about 3 years. I was curious on the Balam and bought one couple a months ago. For me the Saxholder is the one that puts the weight of my neck the best! Absolutely the best for long practicing sessions. Don’t think sitting down and playing with the sax on the side is any problem. Only backdraw is the look and maybe the size. That’s why I don’t regret buying the Balam strap wich works fine for the gigs! PS. The Saxholder now has a upgraded new version with some small improvements...there’s always some new gear to buy..😏
After purchasing the Jazzlab Saxholder for my Mark 7 tenor last year, I could never go back to a conventional strap. It almost felt like my sax was just floating in front of me when I first tried it, although I still find the ergonomics on this horn less than ideal for my small hands.
I used a neck-strap for a long time playing my tenor and baritone. But my fellow band-members (Mess Around) saw me suffering esp. during long gigs and playing the baritone. So they provided me with a harness on one of my birthdays. Since then I'm hooked. Speakin' about hooks: It's got a closable one. The harness leaves enough room for ajustability, so I can play both horns (not at the same time of course☺) either standing (Mess Around) or sitting (Bigband). It takes away a lot of the pressure from my neck and directs it to my shoulders.
i switched to the Balam strap about two years ago, Definitely the best strap I have ever used. I needed to take the pressure off the back of my neck and that's exactly what it did. It works standing up or sitting. I agree that the up/down seems to require frequent adjustment, but I don't really mind. I use it interchangeably for tenor and alto. I do use a different strap on soprano.
I began using the Jazz Lab Sax Holder 5 years ago. It made a huge difference in my comfort. It also affected my technique in a positive way. It works on all 4 horns too. I've converted tons of students to the Sax Holder.
I've had major spinal surgery in my neck and I soon found that the usual neck strap really hurt me, no matter how much padding. I tried the Jazzholder but couldn't get on with it, I didn't like the rigid hooks over the shoulders. I eventually found the BG harness and that works for me, for both alto and tenor. The straps go over your shoulders and either clip to your trousers/skirt or loop around your belt. That transfers all the weight from your neck to your waist. It's a bit of a faff to put on, but I soon learned the technique and it only takes a few seconds. The hook height is easy to adjust. The BG harness is, though, way too expensive for what it is (~£70) - but I suppose that's a small price to pay for no neck pain.
I have both. The jazzlab wins for me. The BG harness puts the tenorsax way to close to the body. Feels very limiting when playing. But we are all different. Btw, remember that you can adjust the wings on the jazzlab. They should almost touch each other on the backside. This will make it more comfortable.
I have really enjoyed the Marmaduke Strap, which seems to be similar to the Ballam, though it works smoothly and has a lot of range. I needed something that I could quickly transition between horns especially in the funk band I am in. The Marmaduke easily slides and switches between Bari, Alto and Tenor and is very secure. I have never used a strap with my Soprano, however, in the other band I am in, I play Soprano, Alto and Tenor and the Marmaduke actually makes that transition as well! Thanks to Matt over at West Coast Sax for the recommendation! Never had a problem with it tangling up either!
I still use the crappy strap that came with my sax. But at my orchestra, they have a couple of accessories for players who might not have some gear, so when I play there I use the saxholder jazzlab they have. Honestly, it feels great, the look doesn't bother me the comfort is amazing, it almost feels like the weight of my alto is cut in half, I also play tenor in the orchestra so I use it on that as well, it works just as well on the tenor, feels basically the same. So I can vouch for the saxholder jazzlab strap, it's really great.
I bought the Jazz Lab about a year or so ago and the excruciating neck pain has pretty much stopped. I think playing Sax was part of the cause but the cell phone played a role also.
HI Jay. I hear you. The traditional strap was trashing my neck as well. I like the Xinlink tenor/alto. It works well and doesn't cause me any shoulder or neck pain with my tenor, alto, or c melody.. (Don't have a bari or sop to try it with.) They're available on Ebay for about $25.
I got the jazzlab one a week or two ago and I can highly recommend it for tenor. I recently got a new horn so I started practicing a lot more than I used to and neck pain began to get to me even though I'm only 16 but now I can play my entire 4 hour practice sessions without feeling anything. One thing to add is I didn't find it comfortable playing to the side while sitting but I'm tall enough ( 6'4) that I can play tenor sitting to the front no problem.
@@bettersax thanks for the reply Ive been digging your videos, they are a perfect balance of informative and entertaining. I've learned a lot of good tips from you keep it up your helping a lot of players.
@@zachc9532 aye tenors nice, if your playing alto or anything else definitely work on long tones and breath support in the lower register. I switched in 7th grade so I was still relatively new and the transition could have been easier had I practiced more. Also make sure you get a horn that works. I had a piece of garbage for the fact that it did not seal and no one could get it to sound good, I even had a few pros in my area play it and they had the same verdict as me.
Thanks, very interesting,,,, almost never we hear about the importance of the stretching. Hands, arms, neck, shoulders support weight. A lot of people may feel tension after playing any instrument. Stretching could reduce the risks of tendinitis.
Your vids are always so timely! I’ve recently moved back to my old tenor and have slipped discs in my neck so, after an hour of playing with a normal strap that I’ve padded out with a seat belt pad that I had in my car, my neck aches and I get a headache so I was content getting the Sax Holder but in the meantime I noticed watching another player on UA-cam that he was wearing the neck strap over one shoulder and under the arm so I’ve been doing that lately and it seems to alleviate the strain on the back of my neck somewhat (although still pulls on that one shoulder quite a lot)
10:16 I'm sure you've figured this out by now but those "extra cords" are actually designed as a locking mechanism so the strap doesn't move. That's one of the new features that the Balam Premium offers. The original and classic don't have the locking mechanism.
I personally use the top of the line “ Brancher “ neck strap. They are made in France. It evenly distributed the weight and has a real coated metal hook. I don’t like straps with plastic hooks. I only paid $50 plus tax from John Baltimore in New York City. The price of a good neck strap prevents the devaluation and costly repair to the bow of your saxophone. And makes playing your instruments easier. My strap works easily on my soprano and vintage heavy tenor horn...
Thanks for your great informative videos Jay. I have learned tons of things watching your channel. I originally watched this video a couple years ago and it helped me because neck pain is a problem for me with tenor and bari. I got the Sax Holder Pro based on your recommendation, and learned about Just Joe's. He has come out with some improvements to his strap, most significantly I think the wide yoke that makes the strap move more away from my neck and more on my shoulders. I use it most of the time for my tenor because it works really well standing and sitting. The Sax Holder is great for taking the weight feels clumsy for me, especially sitting. Another improvement from Joe is offering the straps in different leather colors and different styles and materials for the hook. If you haven't looked at his stuff recently you might be pleasantly surprised.
The just Joe's neck strap from bend, OR is amazing. He made them himself and plus... you can visit the last blockbuster while your there. Did not realize the just Joe's strap was on the list. I live in bend. If you ever go to bend, I recommend going to just Joe's because Joe is a great guy and his staff are amazing.
Your videos are outstanding. Really. I'm now a subscriber and a fan. I dabble in Bari, Tenor and Alto...I look forward to learning more from your SaxShed materials and videos.
A shop by the name of "Thomann UK" represents a fellow named Kolbl who licenses the Just Joe's design and Joe actually ships him supplies of the patented gel that, along with the gap in the gel over that big bone at the back of your neck (reach back and feel it!) makes this what it is. The best news is for European bari players (or anyone who wants a noticeably wider strap, and/or loves incredibly rich, thick, tan Elk hide leather) is that Mr. Kolbl makes a version not made by Joe in the US. As a bari primary pushing 70, I would not whine, however, about the cost of shipping of this version to the US, because it has changed my sax life. It never stretches (like my Yamaha), it never loosens in the gold plated adjusting mech, and would look perfectly fine with a tux. The strap was approximately $80, the shipping about $38, and a buck or two to change the money. Baris RULE!!!
I have used the same basic strap for years ..even in High School marching band playing for an hour or more..Sure I felt some discomfort but I accepted it as normal..Really doesn't bother me..Once playing, it's out of mind
Getting the load to be carried right is serious business. I know someone who can no longer play her beloved tenor because of a herniated disc. Posture is everything with a conventional neckstrap. Tuck it under the collar and stand ramrod straight to keep the weight on your shoulders and off your neck. For a while I found I was having a problem with fatigue, inconsistently, while using my Just Joe's with a tenor. It corresponded to times when I was concentrating on reading music. The problem turned out to be my tendency to hunch over slightly when reading music, causing more of the weight to be borne by my neck. The problem was solved by adjusting the height of the music stand and being conscious of posture. I like my Just Joe's, but I also see the merits to the wide yoke suspension with the Balam, the Japanese Birdstrap, and some others. It allows the load to be carried more consistently on the shoulders when the strap is in an up-adjusted position. Unfortunately, both of those straps have deal-breakers. The insecure adjustment characteristics noted by Better Sax are inexcusable on a premium strap that costs as much as the Balam. The steel hook on the Birdstrap can destroy strap rings because steel is harder than brass. Brass hooks don't have that problem because they are not harder than strap rings. If Joe were to offer a wide yoke model of his strap he'd be hitting a home run. The Casa Valdez blog also has an excellent review of a number of neckstraps.
I have Neotech straps for alto tenor and the harness for bari. Never thought about the bouncing thing so it’s not an issue for me. My Blue Note neck straps made somewhere in the USA at the time used to cut off circulation to my neck and upper back because I would unintentionally lean on my sax during practice sessions in the practice room in college. Tried SpinStraps made in Williamsport PA and the hooks kept bending and the horn would fall off. The first replacement hook was free then they started charging $5 each. I’ve been using Neotech made in Montana in the good old USA for at least 20 years and will continue to recommend the ones with the snap hook to my students because most that come with saxes these days are either hard to move up and down or the hook stretches or just is crappy and the sax falls off. I have a sax holder but don’t care for it. Maybe I just need to use it more. If you don’t like Neotech don’t use them. But until I find something more cost effective I’m sticking with them for myself and my students. I can pick up 4 of them with spring hooks for the price of one of these which are clearly meant for performers that have the horn around their neck for hours each day. I’m lucky to even pick up any of my saxes at school! In the end it’s your money...spend it how you please.
Thank You for your video. I´m using for tenor the Balam neck strap when I´m practicing. in the shows I ´m using Joe strap..for me is more comfortable. About Balam...perhaps some problems when I´m adjusting the strap in the correct position..it´s not easy to do it...but I think is the best to protect the pressure neck. Gracias por los videos .
I love the reed geek. I've even started really learning to do a little carving on the reads to get them the way I like them. I don't go through as many reads and find more consistency with them now that I have more control.
Hi Jay. Was looking into a new neck strap since there have been some innovations over the 20 year old strap that’s cut off the blood flow to my already tiny brain. Great to see what’s out there now and just curious if there’s anything new and exciting since this video was uploaded that you’ve discovered. Thanks a mil for the great educational and entertaining content.
I use a no name strap with a hand crafted cusion made by myself without any dollars paid which is going to be enough for a hobby player like me :))) Thanks for the detailed usefull infos.
I like my Jazz lab holder for tenor. I just got a bari this September and it works well except I worry that one day it’s going to pop open and drop the bari as I move around, like to keyboard. Playing standing and bari is to the side mostly. Tenor more in front. Maybe I will get a new jazz lab and it will have fresh tight joints. I used to use a fancy Selmer tenor case and put the jazz lab in the bell, but sometimes the case wouldn’t latch. Don’t see what is getting in the way. Now, I’m back to using a cheap cloth covered foam case, and it always zips up nicely and has more room for other accessories. I’m getting away from black accessories because I have a hard time finding stuff at gigs. Black jazz lab in a black bag, in a black sax case, and it just disappears. Got some bright yellow cables recently. Would like to find horn cases that lined with something other than black.
My first one was one of those things that had that little thing that adjusts the neck strap and it looked like a button and now I have that neck strap that you had in the beginning of this video.
Hello Jay, I love all you do for us sax players, and I have learned so much from you! I used to study with Tony Campise when I was a kid, did you ever know or meet him? Your improv stuff reminds me a lot of some stuff he used to do.
My one - pretty old, but simple and comfortable - it has some kind of sponge on neck part, rest is made of same material as car belt, clip has spring, which is pretty funny to play with. Works well with alto 😁
I use the Balam classic. Have no problem no pain very comfortable. I have tried the jazz lab also very good unless you are sitting down also it looks odd in "gig clothes"
I’ve been using the Balam standard back strap for 2 years and was happy with it. But while I was practising yesterday, the cord that holds the spreader located above the hook broke without warning where it attaches to the left aluminum shoulder piece. It looks like it frayed where it contacts with the edge of a metal adjustment ferrule. Fortunately, I was holding my tenor saxophone at the time or it would have fallen to the floor and been damaged. After 2 years of daily use, the strap cord shows slight fraying where it passes through the spreader holes, but where the cord broke is hidden by a ferrule, so I couldn’t see that it had frayed through until after it broke. The hook is showing significant wear, too, where the sax hangs. Users should check the cord and hook periodically for wear and be aware they may need to be replaced after a couple of years.
I haven’t use those yet, just Neotech straps for my baritone, and cheap ones for my soprano, alto and tenor . I’m considering to choose one of those 👍🏼
i was given a cheap one when i bought mine. Rule 1: hands on instruments at ALL times. Because of this, when the cheap one gave way i had it in my hands when that happened. It's new. Not easy to get in the clip. Nope nope nope. It's leaving the premises now. just saying. It would have hit a tile floor full on, if not for Rule 1.
I picked up a strap off ebay for about $20, later saw the Balam strap and it looks quite similar. I have 2 Saxholders, one regular and one XL. The Sax holder works well standing, but while sitting or if I move the horn while playing one side or the other will lift off the shoulder which is annoying and I find myself constantly fidgeting with it to get it back in place. I had a neck injury in a car accident years ago so neck straps are a non-starter for me. I was using a SpinStrap for Sax, (no longer made) which took pressure off my neck, but put it on my thumbs. Then I got the Saxholder with a horn and went with that (also a lighter horn helped.)
I use the sax holder strap when playing tenor in the studio. Really keeps the weight off the neck when trying to read, work on the computer, etc…I don’t use it for gigs…but I have seen guys wear it under their shirt and just the straps poke through…doable…hides most of the apparatus.
Excellent advice, Jay. I'm a Tenor Sax and Bass Clarinet player. The Sax Holder looks great value at £35 for both instruments. Having had neck surgery I've got to stop using my old strap too.
I play bari in a soul band and used a harness for a while but it kept getting twisted and I looked a complete a--hole on stage. Then I bought the saxholder - jazzlab and it took the weight of the horn off my neck but after a while if I learnt forward during a gig to change music, adjust the mic etc it would come off my neck to the stage that it kept coming off despite me manipulating it around my neck. I then moved to a springy Neotech strap for many years but for the last few months I have been very happy with a Cebulla Saxophone Strap.
Thanks for the comment. Yes the harness just looks horrible, you have to wear all black and put a jacket over it. Saxholder definitely has limitations like what you mentioned.
I’ve had a thin Ray Hyman strap for my alto that I’ve used since the 80’s ! I got Neo-Tech straps for my Tenor & Bari when they 1st came out and have been using them ever since. Just need to find a strap for my curved Soprano
Thanks for sharing.. I like (for Alto) Protec I have . similar to the Balam in that it has the two sides separated (the sliding bit is wider than the Balam... the strings get tangled or longer on one side though.. sometimes hard to adjust. Similar issues with tangling . But these designs ( Balam and Protec) are have a better angle for the straps - MORE LIKE a U SHAPE THAN a V SHAPE (therefore is less constrictive
My worst experience came this year at a football game. My cheap but comfortable neotech broke on me so I was stuck on a alto strap with no padding while playing a tenor. I had to stand for an entire 3 hours in freezing Minesota temps (somewhere around 30°F).
There is an important other feature of the "saxholder." The hook is unlikely to scratch the saxophone body where it connects because it is made of a hard plastic-like material. The saxholder comes with a good set of instructions for adjusting it for the neck and for the shoulder blades, and a cloth bag so that when you store in the bell of a tenor sax, there is little likely hood of scratching the lacquered finish of the bell.
0:56 that explains why me and my peers act so dumb at band events
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This video made me feel bad about my crappy neotech that I’ve had since the fourth grade 😂
ahahha! the neotech are ok but they could inprove on them!
me too lmao
Neotech is fine but disintegrates in tropical climates
Hi Jay, I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your videos. I’m a professional saxophonist in Australia and I recently stumbled across your channel while doing some online research into buying a new horn. It’s really awesome to see “real talk” educational online content that you’ve created and presented so well, and in such an enjoyable and authentic manner. Can’t wait to hear and see more. Best 👍👍
I play alto and I have spinal arthritis. Using ANY kind of neck strap is a non-starter. It causes excruciating pain. I bought a Sax Holder from Jazz Lab and I absolutely love it. It causes NO PAIN whatsoever. It does make me feel kind of dorky, like I'm wearing an alien from outer space or something, but it functions like a champ! Highly recommended. Great video!
The old traditional neck strap. 3 things I hate about it.
- Uncomfortable
- Falls of saxophone easily
- Just sucks.
Wow
Yea it pops off like 20 times in an hour and I’ll be playing and then bam my sax hits my chair really hard cause it disconnects
I’ve just always used a nice neotech neck strap it’s amazing
I, and most sax teachers I know don't recommend those, because they allow the horn to bounce. It isn't good to have the horn moving up, and down while playing.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 How does it allow the horn to bounce? I have never had problems like that with mine.
@@nicholas-ewing there is stretch in the strap. It is not a steady support.
Clayton Kwater I know that there is a stretchy part in the strap but I’ve still never had the problem of it bouncing. Maybe it’s just the way some people like to play that causes a bounce but it has never been a problem for me.
Me too Peanut!
Just found your channel and have really enjoyed your content. Keep up the good work!
I have used the Just Joe's for several years and just recently started using the Sax Holder. Two things I have noticed are: 1) the Just Joe's strap would stain the collar of my shirts, which is not an issue with the Sax Holder; and 2) the Sax Holder can fit under my jacket, making it practically invisible. For me as a military musician, these considerations make it well worth the money invested in finding the right strap.
I've used the saxholder for nearly 6 years now. One of the best buys I ever made for my Cannoball Big Bell tenor 😁
Yeah, definitely a good investment.
I've had the Balam Classic for almost a year now and I play tenor almost exclusively. I always found traditional neck straps to eventually start to make my neck sore which affected how long I would practice. Having the weight on your shoulders really makes a huge difference because I basically forget I even have a strap, which is cool, so I would personally recommend any strap to a tenor (and bari player) that shifts the weight to your shoulders. You'll be amazed at the difference.
Three things I would share if someone is looking to buy a Balam. First, there are lots of ways to adjust it, including bending the aluminum straps (covered in leather) and also the back area behind the neck. I had to make adjustments to form a "V" shape behind my neck that caused the curved portion over my shoulders to spread out, otherwise it would dig into the sides of my neck if the curved portion on your shoulders went straight from back to front (if that makes sense). It's obviously very body specific but playing around with the adjustment behind your neck can be beneficial and isn't really obvious. The second thing is, as Jay mentions, the slider doesn't work great. It slips down constantly because the cord is slippery and the slider isn't very tight so you have to continually re-adjust the length. After awhile this can get annoying. The newer model tried to solve this problem with a hook that is part of the slider so you can prevent the slider from coming down. I ended up putting an "S" shaped thin rod cut from a coat hanger through the slider that hooks into the top and bottom of the slider. What that does is add pressure to the cords running through the slide and causes the slider to stay put. You could probably gently flatten out the slider (which is round) and get the same effect. The third thing I would mention is that I don't think you have to spend the extra $$ on the newest model because honestly, at least in my experience, you don't need the padding on the strap where they added it, I don't think it really does anything. The pressure is all on your shoulders where there is padding already on the Classic, having the padding on the part that sits on your chest to me is just marketing spin to make you buy the newer model but won't add anything in terms of comfort. Just my $.02.
Thanks for this additional info. The Balam strap is quite new to me. The locking mechanism on the premium version is not great. It doesn't attache easily, and when you attach it, the slider always slips a bit. Then you have to undo the lock before you can lower the slider to take the strap off. I don't find that this version slips very badly though. Maybe the different cord setup helps as well?
@@bettersax Yeah, I made a piece that emulated the hook on the new version so I could hook the slider and found it was a complete PIA and actually made the situation worse because I had to screw around with it way too much. It seems funny that something like a slider would be a big deal but when you're using it daily it really becomes pretty annoying and is definitely a design "challenge" with the Balam. The Balam is the best looking saxophone strap that has probably ever been built, it's like somebody in the jewelry business took a swipe at designing a saxophone strap, but that has it's negative points as well. Too complicated of a design in many ways and the slider seems to be a last second thought be a non-player. I have a photo of what solve the problem for me but I don't think I can upload it. Over time it seems like the slider issue gets worse as the cord almost gets slipperier the more you use it.
My favorite is the jazzlab sax holder, I'm going to ask for it for christmas.
(I mainly play bari sax)
Aye same
Link to this?
Just search it on Amazon
Use the link in the description, it’s in affiliate so better say can make some more money, especially with COPPA coming up
Bro I just got mine today it is the best thing ever I play tenor but I think it would be great for bari it’s epic
I have a variety of saxophones... my favorite is a Voodo Rex tenor because, for me, it's easy to play and like the tone. However, it's mostly copper and pretty heavy. And, for an old geezer (70), it can get pretty tough on the old bones. I have found that a shoulder harness works best for me for longer plays.
Broken neck at 11 (trampoline accident) necessitating a lifetime of sax harnesses and rigging. Watched this. Bought a Saxholder (not the knockoff). My world just got a little easier. Thanks so much, Jay. I had no idea it existed.
I've acquired all 3. For alto I strongly prefer the Balam. You can adjust the cords to make them the right length.
Best saxophone channel on Y T.
Have the JazzLab.
I am a newbie but find I can practice standing for a long time without strain using it.
I sometimes sit on a high stool and can play the tenor no problem to the side.
It just pulls slightly to the left shoulder. Sure beats the jury rigged camera strap I was using.
I'm 62 and could not care less what I look like. The sax is usually in front of it anyway :-)
You have to take the time to rebend the arms to suit your shape. Great for the price.
I have the Jazzlab for my bari. It's great for playing standing up, though I've had a couple of times where it would start to "climb" off my shoulders. Not sure if it was shirt, adjustment, humidity at a gig, or what. But it's been really few, and it's great for standing and playing the bari.
I can't play it sitting down, though. Have to use a regular strap for that.
Why would anyone spend hundreds to several thousand dollars on a sax, then cheap out on the strap you have to live with every time you have your hands on it?? Bad money management? :)
Not with you Winds. The Jazzlab feels secure and works for me regardless of the price. Don't worry, I can manage my own money ;-)
A mate of mine has a "harness" & it looks like a Training Bra. I haven't said anything because I value his friendship. The discomfort from the old school strap can make us FOCUS on specific practice. It also reminds me not play a long & boring solo. (now I play short & boring ones). Thanks for another great video.
Yeah those things look terrible and don’t save your back anyway.
Hello Jay, first of all, thank you for contributing to the saxophone playing community. You might like to know that the Balam neck strap (both deluxe and standard) can be adjusted for length. The standard version has knots at the top of the left and right cords on the front. The deluxe version has one single knot in the cords at the back of the metal height adjuster. Through these knots you can add/remove overall length and likely solves your challenge with the soprano (and most Conn saxophones) running out of height. The metal hooks in the neck of the strap are for adjusting the width (and not height position). It is taking me some time to set-up my Balam Deluxe (width, height, length and bend of the leather) and it is getting better every time.
Hey I’ve been interested in the Balam neck strap but I’m not sure if I should get the normal or the premium. I am a main bari player but I also have a tenor that I practice too so I was wondering if you know enough to suggest one of them to me. Not quite sure if I should go with the normal or spend 20 more for the premium. Hopefully you read this thanks
@@baribbenson531 i play bari too, did u end up deciding on the normal or premium strap? which do u prefer?
@@andred126 hey, I’m pretty sure I ended up with the premium and I like it quite well. It’s definitely better for Bari Sax than the normal one I would say. It allows for a lot more movement of the saxophone than the basic back strap that most Bari Sax players have in school or whatever. The one thing I haven’t yet bothered to check with my neck strap is to try to adjust it to my shoulders and how it lays, I know it’s metal but I forgot if it’s made to be adjusted or not but it’s fine anyways and it’s different for everyone. It definitely looks nice and is also very convenient for any other Sax you may play as well. If you’re thinking about getting it then I’d tell you that I’d give it a good rating and review
I play with BG one , leather one . Very comfortable
yeah!! they are really good the BG neck straps!
I used a padded neck strap for years and bari is my primary instrument. I didn't notice a problem until I got older, decades later. I developed a curvature in my neck from the weight pulling on the strap. I also threw out my back from the weight of the horn from time to time. It made a particular concert extremely painful to play in because I also used some of those muscles to breathe. That is when I switched to the Neotech harness. I changed out the hook. It may not be as convenient as the other straps, but with bari it does a better job of distributing the weight. I have not had a problem since. It is also a soft strap and folds up easily into my case.
I just started bari, and I know this comment is old, but do you still recommend a harness?
@@FNBRVolts I do, but I'm always open to try something else. As a woman, I often have to where it under a shirt. So I'd love something else for performances, but I haven't found something better yet.
I've loved my Just Joe's for tenor and alto for about 5 years now- practice and gigging. I'm no spring chicken but I find it quite comfortable.
Hi…Just a couple of comments on your reviews…
I Have both the saxHolder and Balam…
Primarily use the Balam… and your comment about the length for Soprano and Alto is easily remedied…
Make the cord shorter… which is what I did and it’s easy… and you’ll still have enough length for the Tenor and Bari adjustment you did.
I don’t have the Super Deluxe one that you critiqued… and I just modified my Classic to suit me...
I have a pacemaker I have to clear and the saxHolder and Classic Balam do just that.
Another thing I did was “add” a saxHolder hook to the Balam (you can purchase from Jazzlab).
I consider their Nylon over Stainless hook to be the best hook for saxes.
My big PLUSES with Balam & saxHolder:
1. Freedom from neck pain.
2. Amount of motion allowed (unlike a sax harness).
Minuses:
1. Storage in sax case… both do not fit in my cases (Alto not at all… Hiscox case. Tenor put in bell…SKB case).
2. The original metal hook on Balam… the little piece of plastic hose slips out of place and you get a metal to metal connection.
Just got an Alto Sax today, SOOOOOOOO excited! Thank you for your vid it is very informative! Gonna go with the Just Joe's :)
Don't, read (*DO NOT*) go with the cheap one with the plastic clips, padded or not.
My rule is: hands on instrument, whatever it is, at ALL times. If your strap gives out, you are still covered because of that rule.
Today, the cheap strap i was given unhooked. Lucky for me, thanks to the ironclad rule (hands on sax at ALL times) i was supporting it when it unhooked. It's new, no reason i could figure. It isn't easy to even get on the hook in the first place.
So, that's going away immediately.
Still playing?
I appreciate you bro im a beginner sax player and i always make sure i look at your episodes you give the best advice thanks bro
Hi Jay, I use Just Joe's one since 1 week, and I'm very happy with it (I play on Alto). Very confortable and compact !
My previous strap was more like a "seat bell" cord and was very slippy, far away from Just Joe's one ! :)
Your video confirm me that I made a good choice, thank you !
Great, I think you'll get many years use out of that.
@@bettersax Jay I’ve used a BG Harness ( Jimmy Heath recommended) on tenor after having developed arthritic bone chips in my neck after many years of Ray Hyman/Neotech et al. The harness saved my playing career. That said I think it has puts undue stress on my LH octave key thumb( arthritis there now too)! Have you heard of this? Would you say one of these would be worth checking given my history? Thanks so much for your great videos. I share them with my middle school band students!
I was looking for a strap that works well if you sit so this video was very informative and it helped me to decide which strap I will get. Thanks you.
Look at me, I'm a guitar guy and watching saxophone accessories video - such a fan of your channel and work :)
Thanks. I watch guitar videos sometimes too...
The first strap I used was a Rico padded neck strap with my alto sax but after a while I had some discomfort on my neck and slight right hand tingling when playing my alto saxophone so replaced it with the JazzLab Saxholder before anything bad happened and it was the best thing I have used to relieve any discomfort and any similar issues and I hardly feel the weight of the saxophone while playing it and can play as long as I like and feel fine afterwards.
The slide for the abdominal rest part took me a little while getting used to as it is rigid. I play sitting down often and sometimes I find the shoulder pads can be pushed up if your're wearing it and then sit down and when taking off my saxophone to put it in a stand as I usually bend down slightly to do that, but overall I find it great for the price.
That is why i use a Vandoren universal strap.
Thanks a lot! Very useful video 👌
Thank you for the video, I put a list of this stuff for my parents to consider!
Which saxophone do you main?
Thanks so much for this and all of your videos. I too have started having neck issues as I get older and chose the Jazzlab sax holder. Love it! Works great with all of my horns. Comfortable and saved my neck. Interestingly, my lower register requires less adjustment to play.
Also, about a year ago I was in the market for a new tenor. After watching one of your videos I went with the Yanny TWO 02. Could not be happier. Hands down my favorite sax. I pair it with the Vandoren hard rubber Large chamber mouthpiece and, for me, get a beautiful classic sound. Greatly appreciate your work.
Wait, you're telling me the reason I couldn't play well in Jazz band was because my neck strap was choking me? Why didn't I buy a neck-strap two years ago...
As usual very good and informative video Jay! My main strap is the Jazzlab. Because to me, its the one that puts the weight of the tenor away from my neck the best way. I don’t find any problem with sitting down and playing. Okey it looks a bit odd, so I have a Balam that works ok for gigs. But my neck is definitely most happy with the jazz lab. Haven’t tried just joes, but it looks much like a conventional neck strap with just some extra padding..as you say, probably works great for soprano and alto..
I have a strap that hooks around my neck and back and meets in the middle of mu chest for my tenor and it takes away all the stress on my neck. I also got it for a very cheap price.
The Jazzlab is the way to go. I play alto, I found that the back of my neck would start feeling numb during long practice sessions. The Jazzlab puts no weight at all on the neck. Looks funny, but the best neck strap I've ever used.
Yeah, wish it looked less weird, but it does what it says it does.
@@bettersax I use the JazzLab for Tenor, no neck or back pain. Agree that it looks a bit weird which is the only drawback. The guys in my band call it the Stethoscope.
Agree with both in this thread: I’m a tenor player and I’ve had the Saxholder for about 3 years. I was curious on the Balam and bought one couple a months ago. For me the Saxholder is the one that puts the weight of my neck the best! Absolutely the best for long practicing sessions. Don’t think sitting down and playing with the sax on the side is any problem. Only backdraw is the look and maybe the size. That’s why I don’t regret buying the Balam strap wich works fine for the gigs! PS. The Saxholder now has a upgraded new version with some small improvements...there’s always some new gear to buy..😏
After purchasing the Jazzlab Saxholder for my Mark 7 tenor last year, I could never go back to a conventional strap. It almost felt like my sax was just floating in front of me when I first tried it, although I still find the ergonomics on this horn less than ideal for my small hands.
Jay - Just Joe's is excellent plus I also bought the Balam. JJs mostly for alto & teaching / Balam mostly for tenor - excellent reviews Jay - thanks
I used a neck-strap for a long time playing my tenor and baritone. But my fellow band-members (Mess Around) saw me suffering esp. during long gigs and playing the baritone. So they provided me with a harness on one of my birthdays. Since then I'm hooked. Speakin' about hooks: It's got a closable one. The harness leaves enough room for ajustability, so I can play both horns (not at the same time of course☺) either standing (Mess Around) or sitting (Bigband). It takes away a lot of the pressure from my neck and directs it to my shoulders.
i switched to the Balam strap about two years ago, Definitely the best strap I have ever used. I needed to take the pressure off the back of my neck and that's exactly what it did. It works standing up or sitting. I agree that the up/down seems to require frequent adjustment, but I don't really mind. I use it interchangeably for tenor and alto. I do use a different strap on soprano.
I began using the Jazz Lab Sax Holder 5 years ago. It made a huge difference in my comfort. It also affected my technique in a positive way. It works on all 4 horns too. I've converted tons of students to the Sax Holder.
I've had major spinal surgery in my neck and I soon found that the usual neck strap really hurt me, no matter how much padding. I tried the Jazzholder but couldn't get on with it, I didn't like the rigid hooks over the shoulders. I eventually found the BG harness and that works for me, for both alto and tenor. The straps go over your shoulders and either clip to your trousers/skirt or loop around your belt. That transfers all the weight from your neck to your waist. It's a bit of a faff to put on, but I soon learned the technique and it only takes a few seconds. The hook height is easy to adjust. The BG harness is, though, way too expensive for what it is (~£70) - but I suppose that's a small price to pay for no neck pain.
I have both. The jazzlab wins for me. The BG harness puts the tenorsax way to close to the body. Feels very limiting when playing. But we are all different. Btw, remember that you can adjust the wings on the jazzlab. They should almost touch each other on the backside. This will make it more comfortable.
I have really enjoyed the Marmaduke Strap, which seems to be similar to the Ballam, though it works smoothly and has a lot of range. I needed something that I could quickly transition between horns especially in the funk band I am in. The Marmaduke easily slides and switches between Bari, Alto and Tenor and is very secure. I have never used a strap with my Soprano, however, in the other band I am in, I play Soprano, Alto and Tenor and the Marmaduke actually makes that transition as well! Thanks to Matt over at West Coast Sax for the recommendation! Never had a problem with it tangling up either!
I still use the crappy strap that came with my sax. But at my orchestra, they have a couple of accessories for players who might not have some gear, so when I play there I use the saxholder jazzlab they have. Honestly, it feels great, the look doesn't bother me the comfort is amazing, it almost feels like the weight of my alto is cut in half, I also play tenor in the orchestra so I use it on that as well, it works just as well on the tenor, feels basically the same. So I can vouch for the saxholder jazzlab strap, it's really great.
I love watching your video ! I really needed suggestions for neck straps thank you !!!🙂
Thanks
Which one did you purchase from this review Jennifer?
Cool video Jay just what I needed thanks
I have enjoyed my jazzlab so much, and it is a game changer when it comes to marching band
I bought the Jazz Lab about a year or so ago and the excruciating neck pain has pretty much stopped. I think playing Sax was part of the cause but the cell phone played a role also.
Good to hear.
HI Jay. I hear you. The traditional strap was trashing my neck as well. I like the Xinlink tenor/alto. It works well and doesn't cause me any shoulder or neck pain with my tenor, alto, or c melody.. (Don't have a bari or sop to try it with.) They're available on Ebay for about $25.
cool. thanks for the info.
Great video! I've been mulling over my neck strap issues recently but couldn't make a decision. This has been very helpful.
Thanks. glad it helps.
I got the jazzlab one a week or two ago and I can highly recommend it for tenor. I recently got a new horn so I started practicing a lot more than I used to and neck pain began to get to me even though I'm only 16 but now I can play my entire 4 hour practice sessions without feeling anything. One thing to add is I didn't find it comfortable playing to the side while sitting but I'm tall enough ( 6'4) that I can play tenor sitting to the front no problem.
thanks for the comment. good to know.
lucky bro im getting a tenor at the start of summer
@@bettersax thanks for the reply Ive been digging your videos, they are a perfect balance of informative and entertaining. I've learned a lot of good tips from you keep it up your helping a lot of players.
@@zachc9532 aye tenors nice, if your playing alto or anything else definitely work on long tones and breath support in the lower register. I switched in 7th grade so I was still relatively new and the transition could have been easier had I practiced more. Also make sure you get a horn that works. I had a piece of garbage for the fact that it did not seal and no one could get it to sound good, I even had a few pros in my area play it and they had the same verdict as me.
@@henrymarocchi7844 thanks, but i think ill be good i mainly play bari
Thanks, very interesting,,,, almost never we hear about the importance of the stretching. Hands, arms, neck, shoulders support weight. A lot of people may feel tension after playing any instrument. Stretching could reduce the risks of tendinitis.
Your vids are always so timely! I’ve recently moved back to my old tenor and have slipped discs in my neck so, after an hour of playing with a normal strap that I’ve padded out with a seat belt pad that I had in my car, my neck aches and I get a headache so I was content getting the Sax Holder but in the meantime I noticed watching another player on UA-cam that he was wearing the neck strap over one shoulder and under the arm so I’ve been doing that lately and it seems to alleviate the strain on the back of my neck somewhat (although still pulls on that one shoulder quite a lot)
10:16 I'm sure you've figured this out by now but those "extra cords" are actually designed as a locking mechanism so the strap doesn't move. That's one of the new features that the Balam Premium offers. The original and classic don't have the locking mechanism.
I personally use the top of the line
“ Brancher “ neck strap. They are made in France. It evenly distributed the weight and has a real coated metal hook. I don’t like straps with plastic hooks. I only paid $50 plus tax from John Baltimore in New York City. The price of a good neck strap prevents the devaluation and costly repair to the bow of your saxophone. And makes playing your instruments easier. My strap works easily on my soprano and vintage heavy tenor horn...
Same here, I do have a little discomfort and it's a little bit of a struggle to get the strap off the sax when I need to make a quick change.
Joe R No, it’s actually easy because it doesn’t have a locking mechanism. It’s just a heavily coated metal hook...
U r right, I just have to get used to it....thanks for your very good videos :-)...C# or Bb.
Thanks for your great informative videos Jay. I have learned tons of things watching your channel. I originally watched this video a couple years ago and it helped me because neck pain is a problem for me with tenor and bari. I got the Sax Holder Pro based on your recommendation, and learned about Just Joe's. He has come out with some improvements to his strap, most significantly I think the wide yoke that makes the strap move more away from my neck and more on my shoulders. I use it most of the time for my tenor because it works really well standing and sitting. The Sax Holder is great for taking the weight feels clumsy for me, especially sitting. Another improvement from Joe is offering the straps in different leather colors and different styles and materials for the hook. If you haven't looked at his stuff recently you might be pleasantly surprised.
The just Joe's neck strap from bend, OR is amazing. He made them himself and plus... you can visit the last blockbuster while your there. Did not realize the just Joe's strap was on the list. I live in bend. If you ever go to bend, I recommend going to just Joe's because Joe is a great guy and his staff are amazing.
Your videos are outstanding. Really. I'm now a subscriber and a fan. I dabble in Bari, Tenor and Alto...I look forward to learning more from your SaxShed materials and videos.
Simple hook works fine for me ! I used to have this weird plastic-y chain strap! I don’t recall the brand and this was maybe in the late 70’s !
excellent review; good points... i've used a just joe's on tenor for years; it's great
Thank you 🙏, very clear, concise and always fair/objective! 🚀
Thanks
Which neckstrap do you use Rocket?
A shop by the name of "Thomann UK" represents a fellow named Kolbl who licenses the Just Joe's design and Joe actually ships him supplies of the patented gel that, along with the gap in the gel over that big bone at the back of your neck (reach back and feel it!) makes this what it is. The best news is for European bari players (or anyone who wants a noticeably wider strap, and/or loves incredibly rich, thick, tan Elk hide leather) is that Mr. Kolbl makes a version not made by Joe in the US. As a bari primary pushing 70, I would not whine, however, about the cost of shipping of this version to the US, because it has changed my sax life. It never stretches (like my Yamaha), it never loosens in the gold plated adjusting mech, and would look perfectly fine with a tux. The strap was approximately $80, the shipping about $38, and a buck or two to change the money. Baris RULE!!!
My favorite is the 'Ergonomic Systems FREEneck 8.1K' for tenor. You can play for hours and fell free!!
thanks for the vids. hope to start your lessons soon. buying a yamaha yas 23 soon. excited to buy your classes soon. thanks again.
I have used the same basic strap for years ..even in High School marching band playing for an hour or more..Sure I felt some discomfort but I accepted it as normal..Really doesn't bother me..Once playing, it's out of mind
Getting the load to be carried right is serious business. I know someone who can no longer play her beloved tenor because of a herniated disc.
Posture is everything with a conventional neckstrap. Tuck it under the collar and stand ramrod straight to keep the weight on your shoulders and off your neck. For a while I found I was having a problem with fatigue, inconsistently, while using my Just Joe's with a tenor. It corresponded to times when I was concentrating on reading music. The problem turned out to be my tendency to hunch over slightly when reading music, causing more of the weight to be borne by my neck. The problem was solved by adjusting the height of the music stand and being conscious of posture.
I like my Just Joe's, but I also see the merits to the wide yoke suspension with the Balam, the Japanese Birdstrap, and some others. It allows the load to be carried more consistently on the shoulders when the strap is in an up-adjusted position. Unfortunately, both of those straps have deal-breakers. The insecure adjustment characteristics noted by Better Sax are inexcusable on a premium strap that costs as much as the Balam. The steel hook on the Birdstrap can destroy strap rings because steel is harder than brass. Brass hooks don't have that problem because they are not harder than strap rings. If Joe were to offer a wide yoke model of his strap he'd be hitting a home run.
The Casa Valdez blog also has an excellent review of a number of neckstraps.
I have Neotech straps for alto tenor and the harness for bari. Never thought about the bouncing thing so it’s not an issue for me. My Blue Note neck straps made somewhere in the USA at the time used to cut off circulation to my neck and upper back because I would unintentionally lean on my sax during practice sessions in the practice room in college. Tried SpinStraps made in Williamsport PA and the hooks kept bending and the horn would fall off. The first replacement hook was free then they started charging $5 each. I’ve been using Neotech made in Montana in the good old USA for at least 20 years and will continue to recommend the ones with the snap hook to my students because most that come with saxes these days are either hard to move up and down or the hook stretches or just is crappy and the sax falls off. I have a sax holder but don’t care for it. Maybe I just need to use it more. If you don’t like Neotech don’t use them. But until I find something more cost effective I’m sticking with them for myself and my students. I can pick up 4 of them with spring hooks for the price of one of these which are clearly meant for performers that have the horn around their neck for hours each day. I’m lucky to even pick up any of my saxes at school! In the end it’s your money...spend it how you please.
Thank You for your video. I´m using for tenor the Balam neck strap when I´m practicing. in the shows I ´m using Joe strap..for me is more comfortable. About Balam...perhaps some problems when I´m adjusting the strap in the correct position..it´s not easy to do it...but I think is the best to protect the pressure neck. Gracias por los videos .
Thanks for posting this. I’ve been wondering which strap to get for awhile.
A friend let me try a Jazz Lab a while ago so have one ordered...also getting a reedgeek thanks to one of your vids Jay. Cheers!
Great, I think you'll get a lot of use out of both.
I love the reed geek. I've even started really learning to do a little carving on the reads to get them the way I like them. I don't go through as many reads and find more consistency with them now that I have more control.
Vandoren harness is the real winner, I’ve been using for 4 years carrying an extremely heavy modded bari and no pain
Hi Jay. Was looking into a new neck strap since there have been some innovations over the 20 year old strap that’s cut off the blood flow to my already tiny brain. Great to see what’s out there now and just curious if there’s anything new and exciting since this video was uploaded that you’ve discovered. Thanks a mil for the great educational and entertaining content.
Nothing new and exciting since this video that I've come accross.
@@bettersax Much appreciated. Thank you. Don't know if you celebrate on the other side of the pond but I'll say happy 4th of July anyway. Take care.
I use a no name strap with a hand crafted cusion made by myself without any dollars paid which is going to be enough for a hobby player like me :))) Thanks for the detailed usefull infos.
I like my Jazz lab holder for tenor. I just got a bari this September and it works well except I worry that one day it’s going to pop open and drop the bari as I move around, like to keyboard. Playing standing and bari is to the side mostly. Tenor more in front. Maybe I will get a new jazz lab and it will have fresh tight joints. I used to use a fancy Selmer tenor case and put the jazz lab in the bell, but sometimes the case wouldn’t latch. Don’t see what is getting in the way. Now, I’m back to using a cheap cloth covered foam case, and it always zips up nicely and has more room for other accessories.
I’m getting away from black accessories because I have a hard time finding stuff at gigs. Black jazz lab in a black bag, in a black sax case, and it just disappears. Got some bright yellow cables recently. Would like to find horn cases that lined with something other than black.
My first one was one of those things that had that little thing that adjusts the neck strap and it looked like a button and now I have that neck strap that you had in the beginning of this video.
Hello Jay, I love all you do for us sax players, and I have learned so much from you! I used to study with Tony Campise when I was a kid, did you ever know or meet him? Your improv stuff reminds me a lot of some stuff he used to do.
My one - pretty old, but simple and comfortable - it has some kind of sponge on neck part, rest is made of same material as car belt, clip has spring, which is pretty funny to play with. Works well with alto 😁
You were so funny and cute modeling the neck straps. lol
I will try the Joe's strap for my alto Sax.
I use the Balam classic. Have no problem no pain very comfortable. I have tried the jazz lab also very good unless you are sitting down also it looks odd in "gig clothes"
agreed.
Hey Jay, great video even if you are just talking about neck straps !!! Lots of fun and, by the end, useful too...
Thanks Paolo....
I’ve been using the Balam standard back strap for 2 years and was happy with it. But while I was practising yesterday, the cord that holds the spreader located above the hook broke without warning where it attaches to the left aluminum shoulder piece. It looks like it frayed where it contacts with the edge of a metal adjustment ferrule. Fortunately, I was holding my tenor saxophone at the time or it would have fallen to the floor and been damaged. After 2 years of daily use, the strap cord shows slight fraying where it passes through the spreader holes, but where the cord broke is hidden by a ferrule, so I couldn’t see that it had frayed through until after it broke. The hook is showing significant wear, too, where the sax hangs. Users should check the cord and hook periodically for wear and be aware they may need to be replaced after a couple of years.
Great video Jay. Thanks for posting. Have tried them all. The Saxholder works best for me. Very simple...very very comfortable....very sturdy.
Thanks for commenting this. Good to know.
I use Just Joe's Gel Strap for Soprano, Alto and Tenor and a Neotech super saxophone Harnes for Bari.
I haven’t use those yet, just Neotech straps for my baritone, and cheap ones for my soprano, alto and tenor . I’m considering to choose one of those 👍🏼
i was given a cheap one when i bought mine.
Rule 1: hands on instruments at ALL times. Because of this, when the cheap one gave way i had it in my hands when that happened. It's new. Not easy to get in the clip.
Nope nope nope.
It's leaving the premises now. just saying. It would have hit a tile floor full on, if not for Rule 1.
I picked up a strap off ebay for about $20, later saw the Balam strap and it looks quite similar. I have 2 Saxholders, one regular and one XL. The Sax holder works well standing, but while sitting or if I move the horn while playing one side or the other will lift off the shoulder which is annoying and I find myself constantly fidgeting with it to get it back in place. I had a neck injury in a car accident years ago so neck straps are a non-starter for me. I was using a SpinStrap for Sax, (no longer made) which took pressure off my neck, but put it on my thumbs. Then I got the Saxholder with a horn and went with that (also a lighter horn helped.)
I use the sax holder strap when playing tenor in the studio. Really keeps the weight off the neck when trying to read, work on the computer, etc…I don’t use it for gigs…but I have seen guys wear it under their shirt and just the straps poke through…doable…hides most of the apparatus.
Excellent advice, Jay. I'm a Tenor Sax and Bass Clarinet player. The Sax Holder looks great value at £35 for both instruments. Having had neck surgery I've got to stop using my old strap too.
Got my sax holder! Perfect in every way. My instruments feel like they are floating.
@@francistaylor5097 yeah agree the Jazzlab saxholder is great i useone and they are fantastic
Agree on the sax holder in the sitting position. I am still looking for the right solution for me.
I use a neotech harness for my bari and it feels so good. It feels as if 75% of my saxophone became a cloud.
I’ve always use Rico neck straps and they’ve always been nice
I started on a neotech neckstrap and it had a cushion. Now I got a harness and it’s much better
I play bari in a soul band and used a harness for a while but it kept getting twisted and I looked a complete a--hole on stage. Then I bought the saxholder - jazzlab and it took the weight of the horn off my neck but after a while if I learnt forward during a gig to change music, adjust the mic etc it would come off my neck to the stage that it kept coming off despite me manipulating it around my neck. I then moved to a springy Neotech strap for many years but for the last few months I have been very happy with a Cebulla Saxophone Strap.
Thanks for the comment. Yes the harness just looks horrible, you have to wear all black and put a jacket over it. Saxholder definitely has limitations like what you mentioned.
I have one of the neck straps that that have really good cushioning on the back of the neck
Ever tried the Roberto's Winds strap?
I’ve had a thin Ray Hyman strap for my alto that I’ve used since the 80’s ! I got Neo-Tech straps for my Tenor & Bari when they 1st came out and have been using them ever since. Just need to find a strap for my curved Soprano
Thanks for sharing.. I like (for Alto) Protec I have . similar to the Balam in that it has the two sides separated (the sliding bit is wider than the Balam... the strings get tangled or longer on one side though.. sometimes hard to adjust. Similar issues with tangling . But these designs ( Balam and Protec) are have a better angle for the straps - MORE LIKE a U SHAPE THAN a V SHAPE (therefore is less constrictive
if u can find it, try the shoulder ride harness. made in va usa. best neckstrape looks cool comfortable
Amazing !!!! Love this
I now use a Protec padded harness for my saxes.
My worst experience came this year at a football game. My cheap but comfortable neotech broke on me so I was stuck on a alto strap with no padding while playing a tenor. I had to stand for an entire 3 hours in freezing Minesota temps (somewhere around 30°F).
There is an important other feature of the "saxholder." The hook is unlikely to scratch the saxophone body where it connects because it is made of a hard plastic-like material. The saxholder comes with a good set of instructions for adjusting it for the neck and for the shoulder blades, and a cloth bag so that when you store in the bell of a tenor sax, there is little likely hood of scratching the lacquered finish of the bell.