World of Warships - Nerfed to Perfection
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2023
- In which a ship named after a Peruvian football club that's just a nerfed version of something that did actually exist fights a whole bunch of ships that either never existed in the first place or never performed the way do in-game. Welcome back to World of Warships.
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15:26 good to hear they added cross-team divisions so that enemy konig could be in a fail division with the two friendly tier 4 cruisers
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I was looking for this comment.
honestly; not an awful idea (assuming people aren't the worst); you get to shoot at your buddies but with other people there they can blame their terrible plays on
He actually confused me. I was like, wait....what?
what do you mean? its like that since they added divisions, 5-6 years ago
Actually, Jingles: Cleveland at T6 did not have radar, nor did it have BOTH hydro and anti-air - you had a choice between the two of what to mount in port. So, with the addition of radar AND BOTH hydro and anti-air available at the same time in battle, a bit more health after being bumped up to T8 was not the only thing they changed.
Still loved my old T6 Cleveland. It felt like a pocket battlehsip with its 12 6" guns raining hell on targets and an AA ability that terrorized CVs and slaughtered all air squadrons with ease. Ah those were the days!
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA still better than Seattle
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA It's not THAT terrible. It suffers in the range department, yes - just like most light cruisers do.
Did I hear a shotgun being cocked 😂
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA Clearly, you're just really bad at WoWs.
If anyone nerfed the Ceylon it was the Royal Navy. It was a sub-class of the Crown Colony cruisers which was built with just 3 main battery turrets. The 9 guns is historically accurate.
It's bizarre how Wargaming made its AA somehow worse than Fiji's, though.
See also the lone Indian ( real, not American) premium Tier VI, Mysore, in the somewhat undernourished “Commonwealth” tech tree.
You forgot the mandatory “actually, Jingles”.
@@RedXlV Remember, more equals worse, especially when Wargaming is involved
@Riley Especially when we are talking about something that negatively effects their precious CVs.
Finally some praise for Omaha. I always really enjoyed her, it takes some new thinking about cruiser gameplay due to her gun arrangement but I always found it really convenient to never really have to worry about which way her guns are pointing, plus they're pretty quick to reload. It's a good ship, you just have to have some patience and wait until your target is preoccupied.
Yeah, and thanks to Jingles for explaining the reasoning behind the unique layout, which I could never understand. Also, the Omaha's after transverse bulkhead is one of the most effective armor zones on the ship, so kite away, lol
Freaking love the Fiji. Just such a good ship. I think I’ve had one of my best games ever in that ship.
I love whole UK light cruiser line , oh tho I never grinded Fiji ... as I won Edin from container and I have grinded her to get to Neptine & Mino , so I did not had her , but 2020 I did mino line reset , and got Fiji is is awesome :)
(BTW fun fact not many people know that but in game HMS Denae in ww2 was leased by Polish Navy was called ORP Conrad and was second Denae ship in Polish service first was ORP Dragon that sunk in allied landing in Normandy ... so I just wait for Polish verion of Denae ... but knowing WG thay will install soviet armanment as they love falsefy history ...)
Is Jingles not gonna mention the combat instructions?
Also, Cleveland was NOT just given more health and raisex to t8. Really Jingles, is it so difficult to do even the most cursory research before you record a video? You spread misinformation.
And such an overrated water
Fiji was good, but Edinburgh is my bae. Before the rework I had a match where I got every single ribbon a surface ship can get at least once. Proudest WoWs moment.
Slight correction for the end of the battle: The combat instruction of the Pan-Am Cruiser only reduces the cooldown of your consumables (DCP, heal, hydro etc). ASW planes, on the other hand count as an armament and is thus not affected by the Combat instruction.
Otherwise this was a good battle to watch and I amused that fail divisions are still a thing.
I will forever love my Fiji, it was my first cruiser at that tier. Had many good experiences with it, very solid ship when played right.
Was one of those good experiences being dev striked from all the citadels
Top Quality as usual, thanks Jingles !!
To be honest, German Kriegsmarine had the "Zaunkönig" homing torpedo, so at least this is accurate for the German subs but is is homing by the noise of the ship, not by ping,
Rarely did they have a whole torpedo room full of them, though. Excellent point about the Zaunkoenig being passive-only, though.
I'm surprised they've not added this Fiji as a Tier 6 for the RN, it was a genuine refit, they pulled of X turret added more AA and were happy with it on several of the class. She'd probably be a darn sight better than the Leander.
They already have done that in the form of the Tier 6 Commonwealth premium Mysore. Mysore is the former HMS Nigeria in Indian service, with the X turret removed.
Thanks Jingles! I love your videos in the early morning. Helps my day go by faster.
Actually Jingles, acoustic homing torpedoes we’re first introduced in 1943. An air droppable variant was deployed by the us navy in march 1943 called the mark 24 torpedo. It was also modified as the mark 27 torpedo to be fired from submarines the same year. The Germans also had this tech. The G7e/T4 Falke was briefly used by Type VIIc submarines U-603, U-758 and U-221 in March 1943. It was phased out in favor of the G7es/T5 Zaunkoenig which was deployed in august 1943. Russia didn’t employ acoustic homing torpedoes until 1946. The problem with these early torpedoes was that they were very sensitive. German subs equipped with their torpedo had to go silent running and dive 60m to avoid being hit by their own torpedo and required a minimum arming distance of 400m to allow for the homing torpedo to work. The type XXI U-boat was the fastest sub on and under water in WWII. All others had a 14-18knot top speed above water and a maximum 10 knot submerged speed. The type XXI, though revolutionary, was still slow by surface ship standards at 15 knots surfaced and 17 knots submerged.
Yes, but the sonar ping lock-on system makes it clear these aren't acoustic homing torps that WoWs subs have. They're being guided by the sub, not merely tracking the engine noise of the target.
@@RedXlV well would you prefer having the submarine actually put a bit of effort in guiding the torpedoes (which although ridiculous still allows a bit of counterplay by getting rid of the pings and kiting away to avoid the torpedoes) or have the submarines do a "fire and forget" with homing torpedoes that you can't get rid of unless you turn off your engines
@@bread5020 The thing is, acoustic homing torpedoes that existed in WW2 were both very slow and very short-ranged.
G7e top speed was 29 knots and a range of 4.1 kilometers. The American mark 18 was a straight up copy of the G7e without the homing device and represented about 65% of US torps in WW2. The other US torp in WW2 was the mark 14 steam powered torp which also had a 4.1 k range but a 46 knot speed. The mark 14 is the one that is infamous for it's failures .
Ahem, the I-201 Class wants a word about who was the fastest submarine during WW2....
2:47 "enemy's about to experience convoy protection duty circa 1941" XD
As a retired submariner, I totally agree with your opinion of WoWS submarines. The speed is way too high and homing torps are ridiculous. That being said WWII hydrophones and sonar only worked with a narrow angle to the front of the surface ship and did not work above 1/4 speed due to the noise of traveling faster. But of course, radar working around and near islands kinda should not work as well. Great Video though and the Omaha (and the Murmansk) is my favorite tier 5 cruiser.
If hydro is running and the sub is at max depth, you have to be 2km away to spot them. Real shit mechanic.
Remember this "There will not be submarines in WoWS."
I alwaysed liked the Omaha, drive it like an early tier American destroyer with more guns😊
I think its a start your day with jingles episode day today.
The thing with the Omaha is that it's easy to EITHER win OR to be top of your team for experience. Or at least it used to be when I played this game.
Jingles, when a surface ship running hydro is within 2 km of a submerged submarine, they can detect said submarine. They made that change long ago.
bit of trivia: nearly 50 years ago serving at Guam NAS, i was nicknamed Jingles, i was barracks PO, and carried a "cowbell" ring of keys that announced my whereabouts, clinking and jangling as i went. those were good years.
It cracks me up to see the FUNDERWATER POLICE coming in and setting the world on fire, but not just 2 in a match, not this time we have 6.
Have a cup of tea and a Jingles. This is going to be a good morning!
WoWs, home to the nerfiest nerfed ships
The *NERFIEST*
The new CNL Bolinaise (nerfed Fiji) has better armor than the fiji. Strangely Can’t beat the CNL BOLinaise in my Munchen, Myoko or Zara in brawls, but usually beat the Fiji because the Fiji has that shit armor but CNL B has decent armor for a tier 7 cruiser.
I've beat 90% of the Bolognese and Fiji's I've fought with my Yorck. The superstructure eats German AP and if they broadside...lol
Sometimes I'll just charge straight at them and then when they get inside 3km I'll risk the broadside to dump basically undodgeable torps.
Idk what Munchen's armor is like but given it's a German cruiser, it probably has good bow armor. So I would recommend just charging at them and spamming HE with those 150mm guns until the Bolognese decides to broadside you or you get into guaranteed torpedo range, whichever comes first. Oh, and don't forget to use your hydro
@@KermitTheGamer21 thanks. Been trying that too what you mention, but that CNL B has great torp angles. Mutually assured torp destruction. I can punch throw the nose of a fiji, strangle not the CNL B, so I throw the heat. But HE is like kicking field goals.
If I really want to win I play Toulon the tier 7 bully.
Thanks for the replay feature. Although I really should change my name back from this prpr meme I jumped on some months ago. Oh well, ig its funny to see ppl thinking "is that the real nina kosaka?"
Loved my tier 6 Cleveland. That thing ate airplanes like nobody's business.
15:02 The reason so many of those sub torps missed is that the devs said "yeah, it might be a bit unfair to have the homing torpedos perfectly home in every time" so they put in a proximity per ship class that homing torpedoes stop homing at as they approach the ship, to give some semblance of a chance to beat the torpedoes racing towards you
No dev strike but did get a dreadnought. From left to right: Confederate, Double Strike, Close Quarters Expert, Dreadnought, Kraken Unleashed, First Blood, and High Caliber. Never change old man.
I did not notice the depth charge planes getting a time reduction with the Combat instructions being used...
Hey Jingles.
I have you as a captain and I want to tell you that I have you on my Fiji and I will NEVER move you from there.
Actually Jingles: While it is certainly unwise to division up with a Tier V BB with a bunch of Tier IV vessels, absolutely nothing prevented Wargaming from placing this squadron in a Tier IV or V battle, to accommodate all the needs/perks of the ships involved...
You'll be happy to hear we finally have a ship that melts CV planes, Jingles. Almte. Grau from inca event. We can finally have revenge !
Actually Jingles Hydro from any ship will detect a sub at any depth within 2km
A 3 Submoron match.....the only things missing are 2 CVs, 3 Hybrids, and 3 radars on one side only.
The Ceylon never had the 4th 6inch turret Jingles it had 2 quad pom-poms instead along with newer radars and directors.
Huh, I didn’t know Fox Mom played WOWS 🤔
As a note on the omaha, it can also HE cit the t6 cv ryujo, not sure on ranger but absolutely can bow cit ryujo since almost every dd at that tier can do it.
What I found most amusing about the introduction of subs was how after all those years they got rid of team kills just before they brought them into the game . I think they knew they would be TKed out of existence lol
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They got rid of team kill because Kitakami was reintroduced, later followed by Jinan.
Well if TK'ing was still a thing, I'd CERTAINLY be killing every sub on my team with utter joy.
i would totally TK every sub i met
I love the Fiji. It's probably my favorite ship to play.
Don't worry Jingles, we've got the same problem on Blitz... The we only get the "B" Hull of the Monaghan, but it has worse AA than the Farragut!
Actually Jingles, Chile bougth/ordered 2 battleships to UK. They were both expropiated by the royal navy. The HMS Canada which fougtht in the battle of Jutland and later sold with a bonus pack of subs and supply ships. It was named in Chile as the Admiral Latorre. Her sister had some malfunctions so it was later converted as a Carrier. The HMS Eagle. Yes it was the predecessor of the Eagle that was inspired from the disgusting overpower Tier 11 Eagle. So there you have it
WoWs submarines is, what happens, when Lesta Studios asks the "physics-and-realism"-guy from WoT headquarters for help... lol... I have no regrets for giving up on this game after 8.0 ...
that final kill made me remember the time i got a DOT (fire) kill with my Fiji xD
Thanxs for planting all those good ideas in WG's head Jingles.......
(yes I think they are listening to you, they only ignore the bad parts)
The biggest thing I hate about subs are the amount of torpedos they fire and the spacing of the torpedos. when you’re fighting a destroyer you at least have a chance if you know how well your ship turns to sail between the torps. But with subs they fire torps that are like 2 feet apart and they’re so fast there’s no possible way to avoid them unless the sub driver is absolute shit and that’s if they’re not guided.
If they're not guided, and they fire a spread that narrow, all you need to do is take pre-emptive action. Straight lines sink ships, turn often and change speed often.
Interesting aside: Exactly the same counter for torp DDs like Shima back in the day.
I have my Omaha as a lighthouse build with increased relaod based on bein spotted and if you can dodge, dip, duck and dive with it, its a good cruiser for its teir.
Dammit, you are making me miss my Fiji! I haven’t played in years...
15:26 While that's also an equally clueless Konig, the Konig that dragged the tier 4 cruisers into this is actually on the friendly team.
Somehow the Danae survived the battle...
There was homing torps back then acoustic homing torpedoes did not see action until 1943
I can tell you this thing outguns a Fiji in a 1v1 which I found out the hard way via the current brawl season.
The guns are extremely accurate.
About the Omaha, while dreadful for new, inexperienced players, it becomes a real seal clubbing ship in the hands of a seasoned player
WW2 German subs had homing torpedos. The only downside was that the Royal Navy developed effective counter-measures.
8:33 you'll be happy to know Jingles I ran up on a submarine in a Z-35 and torpedoed him just as he surfaced.
I played around the time US has one line of cruiser and I can tell you that Cleveland (AKA Cheatland) is a mini Annapolis.
Ah yes, good morning Jingles
Hilarious T4 in a T7 game, good MM balance indeed, but very good carry from this captain.
$5 says this is the only time they listen or watch you jingles
My Fiji got just a little over 70% winrate (my only ship to do that) (my average overall is more like 56%) so there is clearly something OP with this ship...
The sub not detecting the cruiser. My take on it is that the sub would know the cruiser is there, but being submerged would not be able to transmit that info to his team.
SAy what you want about it, I like it better than a Fiji, I'm not scared of heavy cruiser AP going through my nose in it, only every battleship's AP, in ops, it means a fire is not a death sentence (when all the Myokos and other IJN CAs start shooting AP in Aegis), but rather a chance to go nose in and bow tank something, can't do that in a Fiji.
Yes the lack of HE, SAP, or short fused AP sucks but I'm still more likely to sail this than a RN CL not named "VII Belfast", and at least she gets an extra charge of the normal duration, short range hydro, and with her gimmick, she might actually use it
The battle loading screen of this match gave me a stroke.
Although I have to say, the Danae and Kuma are amazingly good tier IV cruisers... Both are fast, stealthy, have a high rate of fire and great torpedoes, at least for their tier. If you forced me to play a tier IV in a tier VII match, I'd probably pick the Kuma, and if it wasn't for the lack of HE ammo, the Danae would be a close second, with better knife-fighting capability. Tip to tier IV cruiser players: Russian battleships at tier IV/V are vulnerable at the stern, if you're shelling one at long range, that's the only effective place to aim, but it can be enough to keep you useful when that's your only, or priority, target.
5:26 yeah, it should have been the Almirante Latorre (formerly known as HMS Canada).
I think Jingles should go and play couple games in submarine and put his hydro theory to the test :D I think he would get nasty surprise at 2km distance from running hydro :D
Isn’t 2 km the auto-detection range anyway tho?
@Mountee29 not if the sub is below periscope
the issue is that you dont have to be 2km away to get a kill in a sub
he have a few such theory that something works one way in he's world and in our world it works totally different, that's just Jingles, he have nice YT channel with replays but in game he's so called potato player :)
@@duergh yeah dude says things about CVS and Subs that make no sense. I’ve played both CV players need to be smart or you end up losing whole squadrons
1:07 - I wouldn't blame the division for that one at all. T4's divisioned up with a T5 is perfectly reasonable. The matchmaker deciding throw them into a T7 max game however......
The only thing they changed on the Cleveland was a little bit of health, no Jingles, they DIDN'T increase its range from 14km to 15km+, they DIDN'T give it Hydro and Defensive aa access at the same time. they DIDN'T give it Radar
speaking of Subs makes me think of a game i had a few days ago (4 kills and a dev strike) where i had my first ever Kraken stolen from me because the friendly sub killed the last 2 enemies one of which only had about 300hp granted i made a few iffy calls but ive never been so disappointed ever.
mmm... would love some spaghetti bolognese right about now 🤤
T6 Cleveland was awesome, but it didnt have a radar like it does on T8, so it wasnt just the HP they buffed
Jingle dropping Fbombs like a sailor second class.
yeah the submarines in this game might as well be nuclear boats.
Love that you pronounced Eendracht right!
"Subs are Balanced"
-The Mighty Jingles, 2023.
Cleveland also gained radar when it got bumped to Tier 8 btw.
It's just so funny to hear a Brit say, "Howdy folks."
i remember when you could do that in wot with the kv2
Nina Kosaka is not a name i expected to hear on this channel
Fr. The fox mom's influence stretches to strange places
The Fiji WAS awesome before they nerfed its' main gun reload. They give the British main gun reload time to the Pan Asia (Cnel Bolognesi). Don't play the British line anymore except the Mino.
I don’t know whether Almirante Cochrane will show up again since the “Pan-American” light cruisers do not get a lot of play on UA-cam, probably because the Tier X clown ship version has not shown up yet, but:
Thomas Cochrane was a character worth talking about. Fought through the Napoleonic Wars with enough style and dash to make it to Captain and be dubbed “The Sea Wolf” by Napoleon himself, then got cashiered because of a fraud charge on the London Stock Exchange. Then served as an admiral in both the Chilean and Brazilian navies, plus a cameo appearance with the Greeks during their war of independence. Sometime later he was reinstated in the Royal Navy as Rear Admiral of the Blue, dying as Admiral of the Red.
He is widely considered to have influenced both C.S. Forester’s Hornblower and Patrick O’Brian’s Jack Aubrey characters. Good on the much-maligned Wargaming for naming a fictional ship after him. Worthy of a Mention in Dispatches on UA-cam.
Much as I hate what WG has done to the game, I still enjoy Jingles' narration as much as ever. And just as importantly, I still enjoy and appreciate the skill of the players in these videos just as much. I doubt that I'll ever play WoWS again, but I will say it looks fun when someone else is doing it. :)
Sometimes all the stars allign and you end up with such a result
CNEL. Bolognesi? Why do I suddenly have a craving for Italian pasta dishes?
subs are glass cannons, the moment they're detected everyone just pushes one button and drops depth charges. I was playing against an enemy sub that somehow was able to recharge his sub search twice as fast as me, so he'd spot me for his team and there was literally nothing I could do to fight back.
It's surprising how small a ships gun can be while still scoring Cits; you'd think that 100mm (4") HE would never score Cits...on a Carrier.... But it did, multiple times :P
Talking about cruiser seondaries kills...I have a fire kill with Minotaur...yeah...
The Pan American cruisers are yet another line worth not going up.
Well there’s this; Acoustic torpedoes were developed and used by American and Germans by 1943 for submarines. The initial impact of the acoustic torpedo in the Battle of the Atlantic prior to the widespread deployment of counter-measures cannot be overstated. The German U-boats now had an effective "fire and forget" weapon capable of homing-in on attacking escorts and merchant ships and doing so in close quarters of only three or four hundred yards. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_torpedo
that danae survived and did better than a tier 6
Can we please discuss the magic that occured at 14:01, in what universe should a CL armed with 6 inch guns disable the main battery turret of a König class dreadnought ?!?!? Especially at a distance of nearly 11km
Maybe the shell went down the barrel? Perhaps the gun crew left the window open? Could it have been the work of an invisible wizard? Well, I guess we'll never know...
U.S.S. Black destroyed one of my BB's fore turrets in a random years ago. WeeGee has wierd running all through the game, although they and the forum shills deny stuff obsessively.
3 weeks later, i just noticed the name hahahaha... fcking hell... Dude really loves the fox Onee-san Nina Kosaka.... hahaha
Historical accuracy has never been a major priority for WoW. But as someone who knows a little about real ww2 submarines, I can only conclude that WOW's submarines are magical.
And Jingles? A ww2 sub with a submerged speed of 7 knots? Maybe a late-war design, if that sub just didn't care about burning up its battery charge in a matter of minutes. More like 2-3 knots submerged for most, maybe.
Noting also, I've Citadelled certain cruisers while they were bows-on. With HE.
After hearing the name of the ship, this video should have been called ‘Just like mama used to make’
Hey jingles, submarines are boats, the game is called World of warships!
Back in the day, the Omaha was amazing - all those guns, all the dakka, reasonable matches. Now, sadly, it rusts away in my mothball fleet.
As any noob I started with US navy St.Louis GOD , Phoenix slower reload that GOD , Omaha I had terrible time play it , I manage to unlock Cleaveland then I have quit game for 3 months , when I was back Cleaveland was at T8 = she was my first T8 ... when I look back my WR still suffer from first year of playing my first ships , and T8 Cleaveland without mods in T10 battles , that was nightmare :/
@@adammarcinkowski-ko3el I still say that the St Louis is the BEST ship in the game, especially that you can have for free.
Why? Its massive dakka and gunnery and the looks of a a tourist liner of death makes it the most fun ship to play.
But at its tier it is really hard to citadel as well, meaning it is a mini battleship at times.
@@CMDRSweeperI used to refer to my St. Louis as the T3 pocket battleship. SUCH a fun little ship to play! 😁😎
Hmmm the HMS Ceylon did come with only 3 turrets from the dockyard and did have the Walrus originally.
And, YES, submarines suck. I'd rather face a carrier than a submarine, and I question the statement that submarines are a balanced addition to WOWs.
Since my above comments I have worked my way up the Pan-American line as far as the Ignacio Allende. I love the play style of the Pan-American cruisers and this particular ship fits my playing style like a glove. She is my 2nd best ship by farming numbers only behind the Premium Abruzzi. This ship is a freak show, a great farmer and fun to play.
They nerfed the shell ballistics of the Cleveland and then sent it to t8, Jingles.
Cruisers being unable to detect submarines they are directly on top of is the only realistic thing. Was a real problem for historic submarine hunters.
Hydro detects subs at 2km no matter how deep they go. hydro detects subs at full hydro range when subs are on surface or periscope depth.
'Jingles let's WG know how to Nerf a good ship (Fiji)'
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