World War One Q&A with Othais from C&Rsenal

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
  • Today I have made the trek to the C&Rsenal studio to have a Q&A with Othais. Not familiar with his channel? It is a wonderfully in-depth look at firearms history, development, and use focusing on the weapons of World War One. Check it out here:
    / @candrsenal
    And if you are looking for someone to support directly, I can think of few who are more deserving and who work harder than Othais, Mae, and the whole crew behind the scenes of C&Rsenal. I support them, and you should too:
    / overview
    We would also like to thank Andrew at Archival Research Group for assistance finding great information in the US national archives:
    archivalresear...
    And last but not least, thanks to Cam and Alex for the t-shirts!
    Our questions today are:
    0:06:22 - Why was the Madsen not used more in WW1?
    0:08:10 - How would the Pedersen Device has fared in combat?
    0:12:12 - Trench shotguns in WW1
    0:14:53 - Ammunition for black powder rifles in WW1
    0:17:56 - Why did integral rifle grenade launchers take so long to develop?
    0:20:39 - How were territorial armies supplied with arms?
    0:24:12 - Cut down rifles and "Obrez" pistols
    0:29:00 - What changes would the 1919 secret weapons have brought to the war?
    0:33:51 - Practicality of the semiauto rifles available in 1914/5?
    0:38:04 - Scarcity of Austrian M95 rifles on the surplus market
    0:41:17 - Best rifle for the Entente to standardize on?
    0:44:21 - Captured rifles being rechamsbered for different cartridges
    0:47:41 - Intermediate cartridge development in WW1
    0:48:56 - Was the Winchester 1907/1910 an assault rifle?
    0:51:26 - Why not more 10-round or larger magazines?
    0:54:10 - Was the SMLE issued with spare magazines?
    0:56:35 - What did the British do with their Arisakas?
    0:58:12 - Popular field modifications of rifles
    1:02:55 - Firearms design lessons of WW1
    1:05:13 - Favorite WW1 carbine?
    1:07:28 - Favorite WW1 "Forgotten" weapon?
    As always, these questions were provided by my awesome Patrons:
    / forgottenweapons
    Cool Forgotten Weapons merch! shop.bbtv.com/c...
    Contact:
    Forgotten Weapons
    PO Box 87647
    Tucson, AZ 85754

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  • @Candrsenal
    @Candrsenal 5 років тому +1313

    You enter the room, the video takes an hour. Guaranteed.

    • @w01ffr34k
      @w01ffr34k 5 років тому +20

      It's a must

    • @slavsupreme5129
      @slavsupreme5129 5 років тому +48

      C&Rsenal you say that as if it’s a bad thing lol

    • @bruggemw
      @bruggemw 5 років тому +13

      Totally bingeable content, I look forward to every episode.

    • @JasperFromMS
      @JasperFromMS 5 років тому +9

      OMG! I want those T-shirts! I have all of the C&Rsenal and several FW shirts and i need those.

    • @fien111
      @fien111 5 років тому +6

      I look forward to the next hour and a half video on the Montenegrin and Greek use of these questions

  • @whatTheFup
    @whatTheFup 5 років тому +14

    Yeees, I learned of C&Rsenal through you channel this summer Ian, and Ive spent many hrs watching pretty much all their content. Fun to see you collaborating, both your channels kept my mind occupied through a rough summer of my Crohns crashing...

    • @Candrsenal
      @Candrsenal 5 років тому +7

      Glad we could help

    • @whatTheFup
      @whatTheFup 5 років тому +1

      @@Candrsenal keep up your good work

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 5 років тому +1

      That sucks man

    • @Gustav_Kuriga
      @Gustav_Kuriga 5 років тому +1

      If you haven't already, check out the Great War channel as well to get a larger context for some of the weapons. All three channels have done collabs with each other.

  • @PuppetgoD
    @PuppetgoD 5 років тому

    Great work guys.. such a awesome video !

  • @philbond4297
    @philbond4297 3 роки тому

    its all ways good to listen to other peoples opinions , and some time's we just may learn some thing , thanks guys for the education .

  • @GinSoakedBoy
    @GinSoakedBoy 5 років тому +2

    Those t-shirts!

  • @thebluebard7182
    @thebluebard7182 5 років тому

    The most ambitious crossover in human history.

  • @charles_wipman
    @charles_wipman 5 років тому

    Great Q&A.

  • @edm240b9
    @edm240b9 5 років тому

    From the guy who submitted the last question: 😉 back at yah Ian!

  • @DeerHunter308
    @DeerHunter308 5 років тому

    Way way way cool show.

  • @samiamrg7
    @samiamrg7 2 роки тому

    Were the clip parts of stripper clips conserved after use like magazines are? If they weren’t, would there end up being piles of empty stripper clips in the bottom of trenches? Would they ever bother gathering them up to reuse them? Whether it was by cleaning them off or using the metal as recycled scrap?

  • @bretnmannn
    @bretnmannn 2 роки тому

    If the war would have went to 1919 the thompson mg 45 acp could have been used

  • @larskunoandersen5750
    @larskunoandersen5750 5 років тому

    I would choose the 1917 Enfield

  • @cfytcf
    @cfytcf 4 роки тому

    Maybe if George R R Martin wasn't dying his hair and making videos like this, we'd have _Winds of Winter_ already.

  • @broadcastmyballs
    @broadcastmyballs 2 роки тому +1

    Anyone else think Othias sounds like Kermit the Frog? 🐸

  • @starfleethastanks
    @starfleethastanks 5 років тому +1079

    C&Rsenal welcomes Ian of House McCollum, first of his name, King of the Lebels, the Chauchats, and the FAMAS, Lord of the Seven Bergmanns and Collecter of the Helms.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  5 років тому +660

      I may steal this for the author bio section of my book. :)

    • @starfleethastanks
      @starfleethastanks 5 років тому +104

      Please do!

    • @deathofkindness
      @deathofkindness 5 років тому +27

      Ya this needs to be in the book

    • @MustangGT4
      @MustangGT4 5 років тому +55

      “Lord of the seven bergmans,” hilarious

    • @AAX11111
      @AAX11111 5 років тому +27

      You forgot Lord Grandmaster of the Ouiaboos.

  • @Copenharvest
    @Copenharvest 5 років тому +1350

    That "Hi Guys" shirt needs to be official merch!

    • @waynehindes3396
      @waynehindes3396 5 років тому +58

      I want both

    • @thegoldencaulk2742
      @thegoldencaulk2742 5 років тому +31

      Yeah, I'm definitely gonna need one of each

    • @bearnakedmike
      @bearnakedmike 5 років тому +33

      ...as is "Patented Plastic Pokey". Count me in for both!

    • @JonManProductions
      @JonManProductions 5 років тому +51

      (Angry Karl noises in the distance)

    • @hvymtal8566
      @hvymtal8566 5 років тому +2

      It has to be different from the original. There can only be one ea.

  • @taofledermaus
    @taofledermaus 5 років тому +438

    Who wore the better beard?

    • @you900001
      @you900001 5 років тому +33

      Oh man, everyone is here!

    • @undeadblackjack
      @undeadblackjack 5 років тому +3

      James Jaegar XD

    • @Jesses001
      @Jesses001 5 років тому +7

      Oh man, I am NOT making that decision. They are both so wonderful in very different ways. Ian does have flowing long silky hair though, but that is cheating!

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 5 років тому +18

      John Moses Browning.

    • @yo388
      @yo388 5 років тому +25

      You can’t compare two entirely different style of beards. Ian’s civil war officer style facial fuzz and Othias’ frontiersman face pelt are two separate categories of chin hair and deserve to be judged on their own accord.

  • @firefighter09100
    @firefighter09100 5 років тому +593

    Oh my a video with gun jesus and gun buddha.

    • @baker90338
      @baker90338 5 років тому +13

      I T S H A B B E N I N G ! !

    • @sean7456
      @sean7456 5 років тому +25

      The Forgotten Weapons/C&Arsenal crossover, Ian's G11 review, GarandThumb did the Hipoint review.....is the world about the end or something?

    • @iloveindomienoodle
      @iloveindomienoodle 5 років тому +27

      @@sean7456 and Hickok45, the Gun Moses

    • @Hybris51129
      @Hybris51129 5 років тому +3

      Coexist!

    • @clamum
      @clamum 5 років тому +1

      @@iloveindomienoodle and GarandThumb, the Gun Sexy

  • @carstenf279
    @carstenf279 5 років тому +502

    I am a Dane - one comment about the Madsen, and why the Danes refused to sell them in larger numbers to (specifically) Germany. Denmark and Germany (or rather preussia/austria) were at war in 1864. Denmark lost the war - and a lot of territory. There were even speculations if Denmark could survive as a sovereign nation being that small (one of the reasons weapons development was a high priority in DK in the first place) ......BUT, In order to survive as a nation it was necessary to tread lightly on the international scene and remain neutral - and rule number one when your neighboring countries are slugging it out on the battlefield.. if you want to remain neutral DONT sell guns to nations at war - especially if its only to one side - and the side you absolutely dont like (anti german sentiment was strong in those years). Denmark did not want to lose favor with the Allied powers. They were the ones who mediated in the 1864 conflict and (this is speculation) Denmark knew if Germany lost they would have a better chance to get to lost territory back. And in fact - thats exactly what happened. The Danish/German border today is exactly where the British suggested it should be back in 1864.
    I know this is just a comma in the world history - but to the Danes its pretty important. Hope I didnt bore you... :o)

    • @dearbabette7368
      @dearbabette7368 5 років тому +27

      Fair enough, really. Denmark acted in the national interest - don't get into an enormous war right on your border if you can help it.

    • @BleedingUranium
      @BleedingUranium 5 років тому +6

      Thanks for this! Danish history is always interesting to me, my dad's side of the family is Danish. :)

    • @derekmcmanus1423
      @derekmcmanus1423 5 років тому +7

      Good old British! 😀

    • @oceanhome2023
      @oceanhome2023 5 років тому +4

      Thank you for your comments !

    • @bjarnesinkjr7440
      @bjarnesinkjr7440 5 років тому +12

      Perhaps the lessons from 1801 and 1807. Greedy Danish traders had broken the blockade of France / the european continent one time too many. The english fleet payed Copenhagen a visit in 1801, that we were able to fend of by breaking a alliance with Russia. Then they came again in 1807, surrounded Copenhagen, bombarded the city for three days, ruined 2500 houses and killed 250 people. Perhaps historys first terror bombardment of civilians. When we surrendered they stole our fleet and burned anything we had to build a new one. Denmark were able to stay out of WW1, but it were a close call - one of the very few successes of Danish foraign politics.

  • @Kaboomf
    @Kaboomf 5 років тому +234

    Gew 71 ammo:
    My great grandfather served in a rear echelon unit and was issued a gewehr 71 at some point. He notes in his diary that they were issued cartridges with lead flatnose bullets; this caused some controversy with the troops as they feared execution if the french caught them carrying these "inhumane" bullets.
    The flatnose ammo was intended for the tube-magazine 71/84 and would fit the chamber of a 71 but had the wrong ballistics for the sights. I've read somewhere that the entire stockpile of actual gew 71 ammo had been sent to the colonies in Africa, so when they needed ammo for gew 71s at home they had to issue flatnose 71/84 cartridges. My ancestors wwi diary seems to confirm this.

    • @elijahaitaok8624
      @elijahaitaok8624 5 років тому +14

      I wonder why the execution though, a bullet hole is a bullet hole and I'm sure the time to die from either a hollow point, flat nosed, Spitzer, or soft tipped is pretty much the same, and explosive ammo being pretty quick. I can understand gas attacks and flame throwers being an exicutional offence. It's odd how shrapnel artillery being widely accepted but the Germans saying it's a no-no for shotguns.

    • @Gustav_Kuriga
      @Gustav_Kuriga 5 років тому +46

      @@elijahaitaok8624 You have to remember, both sides are using extensive propaganda efforts to paint the other side as "inhuman". The British in particular were extremely bad about this. The "Rape of Belgium" probably did occur, but only in isolated instances that were likely dealt with internally by the disciplining organs of the German army. If you'd believe what the British propaganda of the time said though, the Germans were slaughtering the Belgians in the streets, raping whole towns of women, and half the population was dead. That's not the case, but that's what is remembered and often recorded by historians. One could ask where was the outrage when the British or Belgians ACTUALLY did those things in the colonies without even the excuse of a war being on if we were to judge things evenly.
      The British for example overthrew the government of Greece solely to force Greece into the war, but we never hear about that do we?

    • @Kaboomf
      @Kaboomf 5 років тому +24

      @@elijahaitaok8624 it was probably not a realistic fear, but rumors spread like wildfire and some people thought these obsolete lead bullets would be considered a form of "dum-dum"

    • @arachnonixon
      @arachnonixon 5 років тому +26

      wow, as if being issued a +40yr outdated rifle wouldn't be demoralizing enough, but to be issued ammo that both you knew you couldn't hit anything w/ and may very likely get you executed simply for carrying. really interesting story you have here, I absolutely love all the little anecdotes like this that show up in the comment section of Forgotten Weapons video

    • @konnigkratz
      @konnigkratz 5 років тому +11

      @@Gustav_Kuriga then there is the whole 200,000 Belgians forced to work in the German Arms industry and other areas. Some may call that slavery or forced labour but I gather you wouldn't be one

  • @JonManProductions
    @JonManProductions 5 років тому +133

    I will buy that plastic pokey t-shirt right now. Whoever made it, send that shit to Othais. That would be amazing.

  • @Ashmoleon2006
    @Ashmoleon2006 5 років тому +160

    let's get this out onto a tray...nice!

    • @MYSELF-uu4uv
      @MYSELF-uu4uv 5 років тому +15

      That'd be an interesting collaboration.

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 5 років тому +21

      Someday Ian and Karl will do a collab with Steve over on Inrange.
      Just got to fly him in from Flordia to eat some rancid MRE's... Nice!

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 5 років тому +17

      If we could get Steve the ration Jesus and Steve Tech Jesus together with Ian Gun Jesus and Othais Gun Moses, life would be complete.

    • @BushcraftingBogan
      @BushcraftingBogan 5 років тому +5

      Check out the accessory pack in the background!!!

    • @stefanavic6630
      @stefanavic6630 5 років тому +2

      @@planescaped Steve will provide the big guns for that episode.

  • @Stenskold
    @Stenskold 5 років тому +187

    Fastest click in the west

  • @ErdenizS
    @ErdenizS 5 років тому +98

    "I really need to finish all the work I have piled up"
    (sees this video)
    "I mean... I can find another job later..."

  • @bigmike-
    @bigmike- 5 років тому +158

    "There's other people out there with 70's mustaches..."
    "No, no there aren't."

    • @RebSike
      @RebSike 5 років тому +31

      more like 1870s

    • @diltzm
      @diltzm 5 років тому +3

      Tom Selleck

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 5 років тому +12

      Ian's facial hair always reminds me of a civil war soldier.

    • @gorazdvahen492
      @gorazdvahen492 4 роки тому +1

      William Frederick Cody, the one and only.

    • @joshglover2370
      @joshglover2370 4 роки тому +1

      @@planescaped I think that might be what he is going for being that he is a history buff.

  • @criticalcontainment
    @criticalcontainment 5 років тому +138

    I don't think I have ever clicked a video so fast.

  • @Khalrua
    @Khalrua 5 років тому +186

    Don’t mind me while I hit the like before the video even starts..

  • @milgeekmedia
    @milgeekmedia 2 роки тому +15

    This is the gun equivalent of having Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin on stage! ❤

  • @MilsurpMikeChannel
    @MilsurpMikeChannel 5 років тому +41

    Man, Mae looks good with that mustache 😀. Something I would add to the colonial answer... The British would purposely keep colonies and Commonwealth nations one to two generations behind on service rifles. Now whether that was just because of a hand-me-down policy or that they didn't want them to have the latest and greatest in the event of an uprising, I don't know.

    • @TheAngelobarker
      @TheAngelobarker 5 років тому +7

      Milsurp Mike Channel short answer both long answer both .

    • @turbogerbil2935
      @turbogerbil2935 5 років тому +12

      Prior to WW1, none of the Dominions or colonies had any particular need for modern service rifles - most territories didn't even have any armed force beyond a police force. Despite the myth, the Empire wasn't a particularly warlike or unstable entity, so even Britain itself didn't maintain significant weapons stocks. Of the Dominions, Canada wasn't under any particular threat, nor Australia, India or South Africa. After the Boer War, most of the participating territories went home with British Long Lees, which was a modern rifle. India, the only country with a substantial standing army, had an arsenal system since the 18th century, but received its rifles from Britain. Following the introduction of the No1 Mk1, India and Australia set up rifle factories. By the end of WW1, the whole Empire had No1 rifles from one factory or another anyway.

  • @craigcolavito5606
    @craigcolavito5606 5 років тому +61

    I love Othias, Mae, and the C&Rseneal channel, but I 100% prefer Othias speaking in q&a form than his prepared speeches. He has such a deep knowledge and it lends himself so well to conversation and discussion with a partner so well. My favorite parts of C&Rsenal videos is at the end when he's talking practical fielding and stuff with Mae.
    I hope we see more casual-ish conversational videos from Othias in the future. Obviously the best would be him and Ian or him and Eric/Chad doing discussion videos all the time.

  • @bruceinoz8002
    @bruceinoz8002 5 років тому +48

    One interesting conversion of Maxim 08 and 08/15 guns can be found in Australia.
    There were thousands of these guns dragged back post WW1 as "trophies".
    Many "intact' guns ended up hanging above the "Honour Rolls" in Ex-services clubs. See also the German 77mm field pieces that can still be seen rotting away out front of many halls and memorials,
    Come the Second Great Unpleasantness, there was a dire need for MGs for training, as Lithgow was desperately trying to turn out No1 rifles, Brens and Vickers guns.
    Some clever chaps recognized the basic similarity (lock inversion excepted) between a Maxim and a Vickers and experimented with a conversion of trophy Maxims to .303.
    They worked around the differences and eventually came up with a conversion "package" and then the recall of wall-hanger Maxims for "rebirthing" commenced.
    By all accounts, they worked and provided basic training guns as well as firepower for the Volunteer Defence Corps, a sort of Australian "Dad's Army" . The story of the VDC "home production" of perfectly-functional 3" mortars AND ammo is a good story as well.
    Post WW2, most of the .303 Maxims were "put in storage" and discretely destroyed. Few, if any made it back to once again guard the Honour Rolls, recently updated to include the latest toll.

    • @patriot17764th
      @patriot17764th 4 роки тому

      it is pretty anazing for weaponry,

    • @gwimbus4399
      @gwimbus4399 9 місяців тому

      They did this in New Zealand as well. Is a few MG08’s still around converted to 303 in private collections since the Service clubs had to get rid of them in the 80’s, so they mostly ended up in private hands.

  • @ExUSSailor
    @ExUSSailor 5 років тому +35

    I can guarantee you, if that Marine was seen carrying that PPSH by a superior, he got an earful, at least.

    • @matthewnunya8483
      @matthewnunya8483 4 роки тому +4

      I had to look this up and i cant find a story to go with the photo but the pic itself doesnt tell anything as to whats goin on. My guess is the marine probably found the thing or took it off a dead insurgent. Hes not holding it as you would if you were clearing a building with it or anything. www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=zvyqQCNt&id=546CBD3BFE6DDAF01A88ED0815A149821D865A84&thid=OIP.zvyqQCNtL80FJC8QkoGFkgHaGc&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F84zkwuzv8oj11.jpg&exph=696&expw=800&q=us+marine+with+ppsh&simid=608040684168676813&selectedindex=0&ajaxhist=0&vt=4&eim=1,2,3,4,6,8,10&sim=11

  • @ericph9
    @ericph9 5 років тому +105

    I checked out C&Rsenal about a month after I started watching Forgotten Weapons, and it was way too detailed & technical, and half of what Othais said went way over my head. maybe now, with more background in the subject matter, I should go back and give them another shot.

    • @PobortzaPl
      @PobortzaPl 5 років тому +22

      Definitely do that.

    • @sean7456
      @sean7456 5 років тому +18

      Yeah or watch them in shifts. Long videos and some weapons certainly are more interesting than others, but great content.

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 5 років тому +22

      Try breaking the videos into chunks and rewatching if you need to, but there's no shame in saying you don't care for it, even if you bring shame on your entire family for thinking so

    • @JenniferinIllinois
      @JenniferinIllinois 5 років тому +6

      Like you, the videos went over my head when I first started watching. I kept watching, did my own research and now I feel much more knowledgeable. The videos are always enjoyable too (and each one has a bit of Mae smiling during the shooting segment - hehehe).

    • @sickofhobos
      @sickofhobos 5 років тому +4

      Same. Then after a year of watching Ian, I actually understand fucking everything he's talking about. I shudder to imagine the sheer amount of antiquated firearms information I've learned from both channels...

  • @The_Austin_Doell
    @The_Austin_Doell 5 років тому +78

    Patented Plastic Pokey shirt has gotta go on sale, I need one

  • @EXO9X8
    @EXO9X8 5 років тому +72

    Well, I hope so, Blackadder. You know, if there's one thing I've learnt from being in the Army, it's never ignore a pooh-pooh. I knew a Major, who got pooh-poohed, made the mistake of ignoring the pooh-pooh. He pooh-poohed it! Fatal error! 'Cos it turned out all along that the soldier who pooh-poohed him had been pooh-poohing a lot of other officers who pooh-poohed their pooh-poohs. In the end, we had to disband the regiment. Morale totally destroyed... by pooh-pooh!

    • @brianfrakes2703
      @brianfrakes2703 5 років тому +9

      I read this aloud in a General Melchit voice.

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 5 років тому +4

      Just send in Lord Flashhart and wait for the victory report.

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 5 років тому +3

      @@andreasbachlindsmann1610 Flanders, Flanders dear.

    • @dr.threatening8622
      @dr.threatening8622 5 років тому +3

      Mmmmmyes Darling!

    • @stefanavic6630
      @stefanavic6630 5 років тому +1

      @@wierdalien1 Pretty sure Fry was up to his eyeballs in Colombian marching powder for that scene, he didn't pronounce it as well as he could have :)

  • @RevOwOlutionary
    @RevOwOlutionary 3 роки тому +9

    7:57 "We've seen countries that were invaded because the other side might invade them"
    Countries such as Denmark...

  • @SpacePatrollerLaser
    @SpacePatrollerLaser 5 років тому +57

    All we nned would be Indy Neidel, who introduced me to this subject

    • @kyleschafer6275
      @kyleschafer6275 5 років тому +5

      Wont happen, not gonna go into he said, she said, but the 2 tried to do a special with WWII weapons, but a few bridges were burnt instead.

    • @michaelfurgessons2896
      @michaelfurgessons2896 5 років тому +5

      @@kyleschafer6275
      Could you elaborate more?
      From what i know simply the scheduling didn't work out.

    • @angrymetalhead
      @angrymetalhead 4 роки тому

      @@michaelfurgessons2896 It was a complete and utter lack of communication on Indy's and Spartacus's part unfortunately and as the date of the project drew closer and closer Ian and Karl (InrangeTv) tried to contact the WWII team many times but didn't hear anything back for whatever reason and sadly the project just kind of fell apart from there. There is very little detailed information on what happened though but that's just what I've heard from Ian and Karl and I think Othias on one occasion, that that's what went down. Which is really unfortunate because it would've been a really amazing project.
      And actually Flo from the original Great War channel that indy was in before he left and made the WWII channel basically did what indy wanted to do and did a massive military history collaboration with a bunch of other youtube channels (including Forgotten Weapons and many others) and created the 16 Days In Berlin project and that went really well apparently. Although I haven't seen it yet because you can only see it if you buy it from Real Time History's (formerly The Great War) website.
      Anyway I hope this helped clear up what happened between all those channels for any who's interested.

  • @hjorturerlend
    @hjorturerlend 5 років тому +11

    59:40 - Once saw a documentary about the WWII Eastern Front where one of the interviewed German veterans talked about the large number of "Kalashnikovs" used by the Soviets and how much they liked to pick them up. He was clearly talking about the PPSH-41.

  • @Arthurzeiro
    @Arthurzeiro 5 років тому +34

    Time to boot up Euro Truck Sim 2 and listen to this.

    • @KC-bg1th
      @KC-bg1th 3 роки тому

      Farming sim is my drone-out game. :~}

  • @kylebell7323
    @kylebell7323 5 років тому +22

    How hard could it be
    The wise mans hold my beer

  • @xGozillax
    @xGozillax 5 років тому +24

    i just realized Ian looks like the average Red Dead Online Character :D

    • @elijahaitaok8624
      @elijahaitaok8624 5 років тому +10

      Maybe player's are trying to make their character look like Ian

    • @patriot17764th
      @patriot17764th 4 роки тому

      he does! =o

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 4 роки тому +1

      Sooner or later I hope ian yells out "I'll be your huckleberry" during a 2 gun comp..

  • @marcppparis
    @marcppparis 5 років тому +10

    You guys missed the most obvious rifle to standardize for the entente ... 1917 ... bah. You know it should have been the Mosin. As Mosin aficionados will tell you they're able to hold off a squad of soldiers armed with M4s or AK47. How could you have missed such an obvious candidate ;-)

  • @LukeBunyip
    @LukeBunyip 5 років тому +58

    1:14 Alex, can I please have one as well? I can offer you money, a first born, what ever....

    • @alexvogel610
      @alexvogel610 5 років тому +15

      I'll get with Othias, see if he want's to include it with Merch/fundraising

    • @jkware1713
      @jkware1713 5 років тому

      Me too

  • @scoe5908
    @scoe5908 5 років тому +30

    Will there be blueberries?

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx 5 років тому +7

      Asking the real questions

  • @andreastiefenthaler3811
    @andreastiefenthaler3811 5 років тому +23

    but today isnt my birthday ....?

    • @68walter
      @68walter 5 років тому

      Andreas Tiefenthaler, it is mine! 😀

    • @clamum
      @clamum 5 років тому

      IT'S MINE SON

  • @babblingbabblator9259
    @babblingbabblator9259 5 років тому +37

    Holy gunsmoke! It's the Gun Jesus and the Gun Santa Claus all togetter. Christmas sure came early this year.

    • @chrismc410
      @chrismc410 5 років тому +1

      I thought gun jesus was JMB

    • @joshglover2370
      @joshglover2370 4 роки тому

      @@chrismc410 No, he was literally Moses! 😅

    • @chrismc410
      @chrismc410 4 роки тому

      @@joshglover2370 well, he parted the metaphorical red sea of affordability and accessibility between the average joe and semiautomatic pistols.

    • @chrismc410
      @chrismc410 4 роки тому

      Ok. Gun Jesus could be Mikhail Kalashnikov. He brought a new weapon and a new testament on tactics on its use. The word and gospel spread quickly.

  • @RoadKing-ky2bs
    @RoadKing-ky2bs 5 років тому +8

    Two gun expert powerhouses in the same house at the same time?? Christmas and birthday came early this time!! This is awesome.

  • @michaelfodor6280
    @michaelfodor6280 5 років тому +11

    My greatest regret is that I have but one like to give this video.

  • @JenniferinIllinois
    @JenniferinIllinois 5 років тому +26

    The shirts - amazing. The discussion - fantastic. The collaboration - EPIC!!!!

  • @MrHws5mp
    @MrHws5mp 5 років тому +4

    Speaking of 'pappy's gun', this was an amusing conversation I had once:
    ME:

  • @vettekid3326
    @vettekid3326 5 років тому +5

    Having shot several of the WW1 rifles you have talked about my personal favorite cartridge was the 7X57 Mauser. It was much more pleasant to shoot that a similar gun in 8X57, 30.06, .303 or Russian 7.62X54 and on the plus side it was a very flat shooting cartridge out to 300 yards. Having only shot some of the late war Japanese 6.5 Arisaka rifles that were a little crude I never put too much practice in on them and never even bought one back in the day when you could pick one up for $25.00 at gun shows in the 1970's.

    • @Estinus
      @Estinus 5 років тому +1

      I inherited my great grandfather's Mauser which he re-barreled for 7mm. Unfortunately the history of it is shrouded due to the new-ish barrel and hand made (by great grandpa himself) sporter stock, but it's an absolute treat to shoot and very very accurate.

  • @Ashfielder
    @Ashfielder 5 років тому +14

    Get Ian in the light box.

  • @maxverellen7265
    @maxverellen7265 5 років тому +7

    When I first glanced at the thumbnail, I thought it said "Oathis", and I immediately pictured Mike Tyson talking about the band Oasis.

  • @tekumeku2244
    @tekumeku2244 Рік тому +3

    58:48 Fun fact, there were instances where a solider being discharged could by their service weapon as surplus for a time. My grandfather, who was a marine, purchased his personal issued M1 Garand from his CO when he was discharged in 61. (He paid $80 for it)

  • @hannahranga9727
    @hannahranga9727 5 років тому +3

    Love that remark RE the makeup store, suspect there's more than a few blokes that went "huh" then. It's something that nerds of any flavour tend to forget, there's a been a few rail fans that were disappointed and surprised that most railway workers don't give a damn about trains off the clock.

  • @UniversalBrow09
    @UniversalBrow09 5 років тому +8

    Oh look, two of my favorite gun experts in one location. How convenient, informative, and delightful.

  • @Scootman
    @Scootman 5 років тому +6

    1:06:28
    Othias: The gun is pretty mud proof
    Ian: OH REALLY NOW?!

  • @Gjldo
    @Gjldo 5 років тому +9

    IN YOUR FACE MARVEL!

  • @pilgrimm23
    @pilgrimm23 5 років тому +6

    AWESOME!!!!! The Two men who's firearm opinion I respect. It doesn't get better.

  • @raltgaither
    @raltgaither 5 років тому +12

    Two of my favorite channels.

  • @stefanb5189
    @stefanb5189 5 років тому +10

    1:07:28 so you two are just like every battlefield 1 player there ever was lol

    • @crazypath573
      @crazypath573 5 років тому

      Wrong, everyone would choose the hellriegel or smg 08

  • @nebel6187
    @nebel6187 5 років тому +3

    Shout out to Andrew at Archival Research Group! He helped me document my 1903 Springfield to the 26th Infantry Regiment! They do great work!

  • @TheEnglishLongbow
    @TheEnglishLongbow 5 років тому +3

    Only 50 years before WW1 Germany had invaded Denmark over its dispute concerning Holstein. Maybe that was a reason why Denmark was disinclined to sell arms to Germany that was behaving aggressively towards other neutral countries.

  • @JoeyP322
    @JoeyP322 5 років тому +25

    The First World War is covered in modern day high school in a couple hours at best.... the war that changed the face of the planet... so many died.... much respect for those who keep their honor alive

    • @robashton8606
      @robashton8606 5 років тому +5

      In most UK schools, several weeks are spent covering the First World War in some detail, from the political shenanigans that led up to it's breaking out, to the aftermath and the injustice that was the Versailles Treaty. The Soviet revolution is also covered, as are important events between the wars (Wall St crash/ New Deal and the rise of fascism in Europe etc.). There is an emphasis on 20th century history in general, which gives people a decent insight into how the world they now live in came to be, something far more useful to be aware of than five hundred year old squabbles over royal succession in my opinion.

    • @travishenty1113
      @travishenty1113 5 років тому +4

      If you're dishing of US schools is because the First World War is only important because it leads to the Roaring Twenties and is basically was step one to the Second World War which was a much bigger deal to the United States.

    • @robashton8606
      @robashton8606 5 років тому +2

      @@travishenty1113
      I wasn't remarking on US schools at all.

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 5 років тому +3

      This was the same when I was in high school in the early 00's as well.
      But then again, they never even mentioned the great migration period, despite it being crucial to the understanding of the *entirety of ensuing European history*
      >__> 'Oh Rome went away I guess...? then the crusades happened i dunno.'

    • @travishenty1113
      @travishenty1113 5 років тому +3

      @@robashton8606 that's why I said if. Because your concern is one I have. The Great War changed the world completely. It destroyed empires that had been around for centuries and it's little more than a a single day discussion. And sadly it's because they're want a really big American moment in the war. We didn't have a Gallipoli or Verdun so it's just not part of our cultural zeitgeist. It's just the war Over There.

  • @topcat5700
    @topcat5700 5 років тому +4

    Forgotten weapons AND C&Rsenal???? I might just have jizzed my pants!!

  • @boxer123096
    @boxer123096 5 років тому +5

    I’m going back to sleep after this video, solely for the reason there is no way the day will get better than this.

  • @tsartomato
    @tsartomato 5 років тому +1

    obrez isn't a special name it's just any sawed off rifle, well this word is "sawed off"
    if you say obrez to any russian first thing they will think is a crazy village grandpa with sawed off double barrel

  • @chrthiel
    @chrthiel 5 років тому +5

    For what it's worth Denmark would have made a boatload of money if the Madsen had gotten sold and not just through tariffs. The Madsen company used the Army Central Workshops to produce a significant fraction of the guns made.

    • @1cspr1
      @1cspr1 4 роки тому

      Maybe it would have. At first. And then it would have been invaded by germany or bombarded to stone age by royal navy.

  • @3er24t4g1
    @3er24t4g1 5 років тому +24

    Dude, where is Mae
    she is the gun qt 3.14

  • @terminusest5902
    @terminusest5902 Рік тому +1

    Bayonets were still vital in 1918 for Australian, Canadian and New Zealand troops. Not to kill Germans but take prisoners. In the August 8 offensive, 50 000 Germans were captured in 4 days. They had a major psychological effect. They were fast, reliable, deadly, and scary. It is much easier to take prisoners rather than kill them. Especially if the enemy know they will be treated well. The Commonwealth armies were using complex combined arms tactics. The Lewis gun also played a vital role. Most sections had at least one. The rule of 303. The Australian, British and US attack on Hamel, 4th July, clearly demonstrated a combined arms battle. Planned for 90 minutes under General Monash, a reservist, engineer, colonial, of Jewish and German origin. It took 93 minutes to take all of the objectives. 1500 Germans were captured. Reports on the battle were distributed to allied officers. And implemented in August. The start of 100 days of victories.

  • @Cheesestyk
    @Cheesestyk 5 років тому +4

    I really hope this boosts the subscriber count for C&Rsenal. They deserve it big time!

  • @BushcraftingBogan
    @BushcraftingBogan 5 років тому +2

    C&Rsenal; Ian; Taofledermaus; and Paul Harrell are my go to channels for firearms and historical education.

  • @nicolaandria522
    @nicolaandria522 7 місяців тому +1

    A lot of the Austrian M95 (as well as Schwarzlose machine guns and a lot of other weapons) were given to Italy as war reparations, Italy used them mainly to arm native colonial troops in Ethiopia, Somalia and Eritrea.

  • @Lowlandlord
    @Lowlandlord 4 роки тому +1

    In 1807 the British actually attacked Denmark so that it would not support the French in the Napoleonic Wars. This did kind of force them into supporting the French, but without their fleet, which was the only scary thing they had to offer. So yeah, the Danish had actually experienced a strategic foiling attack against them within living memory, just over a century before hand.
    And yeah, just because an achievement is phenomenal doesn't mean it works out so well. The Russian navy sailing out to Japan in 1905 without being able to dock to resupply was one of the greatest logistical achievements of all time. Look at how well the battle of Tsukushima went for them, which was the finish line of that race.
    I'll also add in that for the language thing, it could be a pretty big and confusing deal. The Austrians had a lot of problems with it, specifically their navy. The engine section might be full of Serbians, the guns Slovenians, the bridge Croatians, etc. (and I have read that they did kind of associate specific ethnicities with different sections of the ships, so that they were all part of different "tribal" territories, kinda like how Scottish people get associated with engineers because there were so many Scottish engineers and inventors, and then famous engineers in programs like Star Trek). The officers had to speak multiple languages to communicate with their local work force and the bridge and I think that was an actual requirement, Austrian officers had to speak German and like one or two other languages. The armies were a little better because many of the regiments were associated with specific regions (which was common in Britain as well, specific regiments had certain recruiting areas. I know the people from my home town in northern Ontario were put into a battalion called "The Men of the North", the 226th Battalion and many of our Canadian regiments are associated with specific areas and cultures). Most of the people in one regiment would speak one language, and the officers would speak a couple to talk to the rest of the army. Austria also had a lot of nationalistic issues with all of the different groups wanting different things, the Czechs had soldiers fighting on both sides for instance.
    The Boers carving stuff into their personal guns reminds me of "trench-art", artistic expressions does in the field, presumably in a trench. Many were on Zippos, which is apparently where the idea to put art on Zippos come from, but also poems and things.

  • @baen1466
    @baen1466 2 роки тому +1

    "We've seen countries invaded because the other side might invade them."
    That's kinda funny right now in 2022.

  • @KentuckyAk101guy
    @KentuckyAk101guy Рік тому +1

    So the pedersen device wasn’t the super weapon people claim. I can’t imagine the amount of casualties that would have resulted in the first battle they were used in.

  • @themazmanmechanic
    @themazmanmechanic 5 років тому +5

    Please sell the pokey hand shirt! It’s totally rad!

  • @rednecksniper4715
    @rednecksniper4715 5 років тому +2

    43:00 I’m why 6.5 carcano why not an M1917 in 6.5x55 Swedish yes the Swedes were neutral but this still could have been done

  • @Osok21
    @Osok21 5 років тому +15

    *Obligatory comment about "Infinity War being the most ambitious crossover in history" - but nope - it's Ian and Othais. Because that's how the meme and reality goes.*

  • @dangerousfreedom2105
    @dangerousfreedom2105 5 років тому +6

    Very cool collab. Stay safe, Stay armed

  • @adonoghuea02
    @adonoghuea02 5 років тому +1

    So, y great grandfather had a Berthier carbine that was modified to take a standard British pattern bayonet, he stlll had to use an SMLE when he went over the top though, he used the Berthier on defence though. Traded with French troops he was bunked near for ammo.

  • @snowstalker36
    @snowstalker36 5 років тому +3

    OMG, I want a Patented Plastic Pokey shirt so bad! 2019 fundraising shirt?

  • @LN997-i8x
    @LN997-i8x 5 років тому +2

    I own a Remington Model 8, which I love dearly, but I wouldn't take it into WWI combat.
    There is no way you're field stripping that thing in a dirty trench. If some mud got in through the slot behind the bolt you'd be completely screwed.

  • @zidan1hao917
    @zidan1hao917 5 років тому +10

    god the shirt!!

  • @thatguynameddan2136
    @thatguynameddan2136 5 років тому +4

    This is a glorious thing to wake up to. Damn shame i cant like it once for each channel.

  • @clamum
    @clamum 5 років тому +2

    We need a Forgotten Weapons, C&Rsenal, and GarandThumb collab. Gun Jesus, Gun Buddha, and Gun Sexy. BOOM

  • @eskimo05w
    @eskimo05w 4 роки тому +1

    @ 27:50 What's the story with the Marine and the PPSh-41? Where did he get the weapon and the ammo for it?

  • @TheEnglishLongbow
    @TheEnglishLongbow 5 років тому +1

    Wasn't the Webley .455 revolver black powder round made into a cordite one and shortened?

  • @esper6119
    @esper6119 5 років тому +2

    I love the, 'We want to throw grenades, but, like, real far. Like REAL far. How can we do that?'
    The answer? Use a gun.

  • @MilsurpMikeChannel
    @MilsurpMikeChannel 5 років тому +3

    59:20-59:32 Mr. Regular?

  • @RalphReagan
    @RalphReagan 5 років тому +5

    Mae did good shooting the pederson device

  • @RiddckNL
    @RiddckNL 5 років тому +6

    I want that Hi Guys shirt

  • @PigEqualsBakon
    @PigEqualsBakon 5 років тому +1

    Up to the rarity of a federov? Guess you guys dont have the Great Canadian Huot then...

  • @RockIslandAuctionCompany
    @RockIslandAuctionCompany 5 років тому +2

    I'm 45-seconds into this video and I already love it.

  • @kylociraptor
    @kylociraptor 5 років тому +1

    What exactly is a “dum dum” bullet? I assume from context it’s something like a poor man’s hollow point.

  • @davidhildebrandt7717
    @davidhildebrandt7717 5 років тому +2

    I tend not to watch UA-cam videos over 30 mins... I think this may be an exception.

  • @esthera3923
    @esthera3923 3 роки тому +1

    1:00:08 Jokes on you I'm a trans gal, so I like guns AND know my makeup hahaaaaaaa

  • @Bacon98tor
    @Bacon98tor 5 років тому +1

    On the ten round magazine question, your points on why people went with 5 rounders is all correct, but your statement that there is no advantage tactically to the ten rounder is false. I believe Rob from BritishMuzzleLoaders has some good points on the history of this, during long range fleeting engagements, the Second Boer War being an example, a ten round magazine in a bolt action allows for an upperhand in firepower. Albeit this only applies in this situation where 20 to a few dozen rounds are used, which you do touch on, but that was a tactical situation where the advantage comes into play. A tactical situation which the rifles were designed around and used in.

    • @Bacon98tor
      @Bacon98tor 5 років тому

      it's quite late for me atm so excuse my poor grammar

    • @joostteigeler
      @joostteigeler 5 років тому

      There is one advantage of a 10 round magazine: you can top them off before completly empty with a five round stripper clip.

  • @stjairni2246
    @stjairni2246 5 років тому +1

    With regards to the comparison of extended magazines, In particular the enfield vsThe Mauser designs as a general example,The rimmed cartridge of the enfield is prone to jamming when loaded out in full via stripper clips hence a further Disadvantage of the enfield. Given the day and age It is safe to say that consistency with regards to utility would be preferred. Hence as I may be biased though I have tested, the Mauser is superior.Yes as you dear brethren eluded to when comparing modern versions there of, once again the Mauser is still fit for battle, whereas the enfield often needs to see a gunsmith. I like to compare it to the automobiles that the nations respectively produced and still produce, there in is the secret to success.In final who still uses rimmed cartridges in any effective volume?

  • @StrangerOman
    @StrangerOman 5 років тому +1

    Yes, great episode with C&Rsenal!
    But when collab with Steve1989?
    Man can only dream...

    • @LadyAnuB
      @LadyAnuB 5 років тому

      An in-depth series on the history of MRE's with taste tests!