New Honda CRF450RL Review: Specs / Features... Is it worth 2X the CRF300L Price? | 450 Dual Sport
Вставка
- Опубліковано 11 гру 2021
- 2022 - 2023 Honda CRF450 Dual Sport / Enduro Motorcycle Review! Better than the CRF300L? New 2022 Honda CRF450RL Changes Explained from the CRF450R, Specs, Features, Walkaround + Exhaust sounds and more on one of Honda's most capable CRF platforms that you can use on the dirt or street and you can even turn this 2022 CRF450RL into a Supermoto / Motard too like many have around the world! Also, should Honda build a CFF450 Rally? Plus you can check out more information on this CRF 450 at www.hondaprokevin.com/2022-ho... | Help support the channel and check out CRF450RL modifications & accessories etc over at www.Amazon.com/shop/HondaProK...
☆ Need help with your Honda Powersports purchase? Whether it be a Motorcycle, ATV, Side by Side or Scooter - I can help! Check out PowersportsHelp.com or HondaProKevin.com/buying-advice for more info...
--------------------------------------------------------------
☆ Visit Southern Honda Powersports in Chattanooga, TN at www.SouthernHonda.com for more information on how to buy a CRF450RL like this one! And of course they have plenty of other CRF dirt bikes and motorcycles for sale too here in the Chattanooga, TN / GA / AL area and can definitely take care of you. Thanks again to all of the crew there for allowing me to come through and check out their inventory for these videos!
--------------------------------------------------------------
Motorcycle in video information:
● Model: 2022 Honda CRF450RL (CRF450L replacement)
● Model ID: CRF450RL
● MSRP / Price: $9,999
● Horsepower: 41.7 HP
● Colors: Red
(* 2023 Honda CRF450RL info is the same)
•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
● Sign up for my Newsletter if you're not always on social media to see the latest Updates, News, Reviews etc (absolutely no spam ever sent!) ---》bit.ly/newsletter-hpk
● 2022 Honda Motorcycle News & Reviews, Sneak Peeks and More @ 》 www.HondaProKevin.com
● Follow HondaPro Kevin on:
• ☆ UA-cam --》 bit.ly/youtube-hpk
• ☆ Newsletter --》 bit.ly/newsletter-hpk
• ☆ Instagram --》bit.ly/instagram-hpk
• ☆ Twitter --》 bit.ly/twitter-hpk
• ☆ FlipBoard --》 bit.ly/flipboard-hpk
• ☆ Pinterest --》 bit.ly/pinterest-hpk
• ☆ Reddit --》 bit.ly/reddit-hpk
• ☆ Facebook --》bit.ly/facebook-hpk
* Some of the links above are affiliate links to which I may earn a penny or two from if you click on them and make a purchase. It doesn't change your price but does help support the channel and blog over at www.HondaProKevin.com
Music & Sounds by www.epidemicsound.com
#CRF450 #CRF #CRF450RL - Авто та транспорт
Would you rather have a CRF300L and an extra $5,000 in the bank or take this CRF450RL home with you?
My buddy has one it has no power in the soft stuff he grew out of it already. He wants to get the 450 after he rode mine. Be safe
Just going off of how I would like to ride I would prefer the 450 but knowing the journey that I would have to take to go ride I would be looking at doing an oil change everytime I take it out
I would probably get the KTM 500
Honda needs to put the crf300l engine in the crf450rl chassis and make it a RL model. You have to sink 2 grand in a crf300L on top of it's actual close to $7k price to bring it up to US rider standards.
450rl
I have a 2019 450L. 5,500 miles strong now. It's about as perfect as a road going dual sport can be. Very easy to change oil, and if you aren't racing it (most of us aren't), people have successfully pushed intervals to 1,000-1,200 mi. Most important to me, it can maintain 75mph in all hill conditions on the highway to actually reach your destination, unlike most 250-300cc class bikes that lose steam when the inclines get too great. Gearing makes fuel economy suffer at any speeds greater than that, but it'll happily do 80+ and still feels stable.
Thanks for sharing bud! I know a lot of people would like to hear from current owners so I appreciate you throwing that info here ;)
@@HondaProKevin Happy to put in my 2 cents!
What kind of fuel economy are you getting when on the street?
@@jasonparduhn2106 with the stock 2 gal tank, I can get about 100 miles from it if I don’t do much hard acceleration and keep speeds below, say, 68 mph on the highway. If I cruise with speeds above 70, FE takes a hit and might be more like 80 miles to the tank. So 40-50mpgs depending on how you ride it.
Is that with stock tires or super moto tires?
God I love my 450rl... had it 2 years now and zero mods yet.... it's a BEAST
Bro this the best review ever! Straight up!
Thanks a million for the kind words, really appreciate it man!
Thanks so much for getting right into the Nuts and Bolts and NOT going on and on and on like most UA-cam Yahoos, much appreciated...
lol appreciate it Dwight! I try not to ramble on too much as I don't want to waste my time nor yours so thank you, the kind words are greatly appreciated bud ;)
@@HondaProKevin You can't go wrong my friend if you just keep doing your videos the way you're doing it. No fluff, just get right into the facts and features LOL Happy Holidays
The 450 died a quick death in Europe. Too expensive and ridiculous service intervals. People ran a mile from it and I hope Honda learns their lesson. Please Honda give us a 450 rally with a 20l tank capacity at least and reasonable service intervals and I guarantee you'll sell shiploads.
You forgot about the flameouts and weight.
Thanks for your reviews. You present the product and not the 5 or 10 reasons to buy or not to buy.
Get lowering links for the rear as it will lower it by an inch + then lower the forks to compensate for the rear..If you plan on cutting some foam out of the seat, get rid of the stock seat and buy a Seat Concepts and have them customize it for your height. I'm 5'6 and all I did was the lowering links and it's perfect. Seat is stock for me however I'm fine with being on my tip toes or leaning to one side and flat footing it.
There are plenty of 2019 450L's out there with over 20k miles on them, never adjusted the valves or every had problems. Oil changes are more normal at 1k miles, 600 is suggested if u are racing it{....why lol?} The 1800 valve check is the initial 1800 miles, not every. There isnt any other Japanese reliability big bore dual sport out there with a race chassis and suspension. If u are complaining about the fuel range, or it being uncomfortable to ride long distance then get a KLR that was intended for your riding situation. If you are whining that it sucks on single track, you also bought the wrong bike cuz it wasnt built for that or any other 450 for that matter. In OEM trim its only 4hp down from a KTM 500 but there isnt a KTM alive with 20k miles on an original engine. Plated desert riding and western USA this bike really shines.
False. There’s people riding the Ktm 500 around the world, with big miles.
@@sarahdell4042 But nobody has any proof of their odometers. LOL
@@tieoneon1614 They magically rode around the world solo, with endless photos of the bikes in each country.
Love the content and I would love to have either bike as my next but... you had me at the "Just look at that" guy!
But in all seriousness, I am fascinated with the choice between the 300l or a klx300 to replace a late 90's plated xr250r in CA. Hell, a 390 RR-S is also tempting if money was no object.
Just bought a 2023 crf450rl. The manufacturer info states that the ECU is upgraded! I will ride it next week and check for flame out, and low speed smoothness. I also ride a heavily modified 2017 Suzuki DR 650, and a heavily modified 2020 KTM 690 Enduro R.
excellent review!!
Appreciate it bud! I'm trying my best to improve these from where I was not that long ago so the kind words are greatly appreciated 😉
I just recently got a 300L, and I’m really liking it. I would love to have a 450RL. If I were not a short boi, I’d already have one. My 28” inseam is holding me back. But maybe one day, I’ll grow a couple of inches and grab one.
"But maybe one day, I'll grow a couple of inches and grab one". That's what she said as she rode away on her Harley.
Congrats on your 300L! That platform was slept on for quite some time but more and more people are realizing just how capable they are and when it comes to bang for the buck, they're hard to beat. Plus you don't have to be a giant to ride one which is a nice bonus lol!
If you still a youngster like even 20 years old you still might grow a few more inches I have seen lots of guys just keep getting taller in early 20s beyond that however I am amazed at how many seriously short statures people ride really tall damn motorcycles VERY WELL...I have seen several women under 5' 6" riding tall dual sport bikes (not even lowered!)...They just have it down to a science stopping and starting and unless I watch em closely I don't even see their tricky manuevers....I am 5' 10" and I still fall off my 690....and it is far from the tallest of dual sports some of which are over 37" seat height (690 is only 35 I think)
I have a 27" inseam, 30mm internal front fork kit and the soupys adj dog bones for rear shock, then cut 1-1/2" out the seat and I can get a toe down, thats all I need.
I recently bought a 300l for to reasons price and oil change intervals! I’m 6’1” and240 with riding gear just rode a 450 yesterday and the 300 is going up for sale! For me the suspension is way to soft and I can only get it to cruse at 60 on the highway and that’s basically pinned
I currently have a 2006 WR250F (250lbs) and 2017 Africa Twin (500lbs). It seems like any real off road bike is going to have low maintenance interval because they are derived from off road race bikes. I'm 6ft1 and 215lbs. I don't think a CRF300L will have the power and suspension for me to regularly jump crests/whoops, ride over fallen trees, big rocks, go up and down steep rocky/gravel/dirt staircases, drop off 1-3 foot high ledges, etc. The CRF300L is cheaper but will need $1500 suspension upgrade and still be severely underpowered = $7500. The CRF450RL needs a bigger gas tank, flywheel weight and more often oil changes = $10,500. CRF300 is out of stock everywhere. I can buy a CRF450RL new in town today. KTM and Husky would handle/feel better but cost even more and be finnicky/fragile = $12,000. Seems like CRF450RL is the only real option for value/performance/reliability/durability on the market for a street legal dirt bike
Nailed it !
I have 2022 CRF 460RL with 8k miles just did Graves Full Exhaust I love it
Random question How often do you change your oil ? Want one but the Honda maintenance schedule is a little worrying
Just bought a 22 450RL love it and looking to do a few mods , I am near Southern so I would love to connect
What are the differences between the 450L and this newer RL?
And now what differences with the '22 RL and the' 23 RL if any?
Nice video! I think those lights came from the Africa Twin?
One more thing not mentioned: The 300L is so hard to get here in the PNW, that the dealers mark them way up when they finally get them. Add the suspension mods needed, against the fact that there are good deals to be had on 450RLs, and they are a lot closer in price. Either pay the dealers the scarcity mark-up (300L) or pay for component awesomeness (450RL). You can see the cost saving measures Honda took on the 300L, compared to the almost no-expense-spared street- legal race bike.
So true. I've called everywhere, repeatedly, since last Sept and no love on the 300L's. Even then I wasn't high enough on 'the list' to probably get one this year. So I went with the 450RL and it ended up being exactly what I wanted all along! Lucky me.
Good job just bought a 2022 all ready did $4k of mods
Thank you!
Heck yeah! Sounds like you've been busy and maaan oh man is it easy to spend money on these things lol!
Did they improve the motor on the 450 ? I almost bought one in 2020 but they said 10 k miles was a total rebuild but the 2020 crf 250 l didn't need one ever basically a rank . I think it was due to the oil pan or something either I love my crf 250l .
What’s with all the ECU issues ect? Was looking into this bike but don’t wanna drop another 2k to mod it? Seems crazy
So what Is the other bike that's shares the tail light??
Already looking so old school to see throttle cables on brand new bikes
lol right! Give me a throttle cable any day of the week over TBW when it comes to most bikes.
Getting one in June 2023, I can’t get the Vortex ECU or Exhaust right away, is this 450 decent as stock? 🤔
Thank God for aftermarket exhausts!
I bought a 450rl this year. I cant say i would buy buy it again even though i like it a lot. The throttle gets a little exhausting.
I have one, and absolutely bloody love it. But I did need to upgrade the exhaust and ECU before she became my perfect mistress.... 😎
Yessir, you nailed it on the needed upgrades to really make this bike as good as it can be!
Glad to hear you're enjoying her now and ride safe out there bud ;)
Tbh my only real gripe about the 450l is the maintenance if it could go 2000k miles between oil changes that would really make it a hard machine to pass on
Agreed.
So what we need is an updated WR450R with WR450F specs.
@@carado1984 so basically the same exact thing that the 450L is 😆
I’m really considering this bike for the future but trying to decide between 450rl or husky fe501s I’m not sure about reliability on the 501 and on looking at getting and modifying one of these platforms to be a serious Swiss Army knife (aggressive dual sport tires, supermoto wheels I can swap on and snow bike kit to change over in the winter). And yes I was thinking about the 701e to do the same but might be to heavy and hard to change over to use in the snow.
You already gave the answer to your question. Honda is 100% reliable and have the track record. I have the 21 RL and my buddy the Husky 501, hands down the Honda is better.
I'd go with the CRF300L since I'm at and age where I can't ride a dirt bike like I used to. Although, I might pay the extra $5.000 for a KTM 350 that weighs a lot less. If I was younger I'd go with a 450X since I live in a state where I can plate it with a aftermarket kit.
I bought a CFR450L then the next year I bought the X. now I'm thinking about going back and get a CFR450RL. the X has five gears instead of six and it is faster but no where near as fast as the old L top end speed. the X is lighter but now that they made some changes and put the R motor in the L. I'm just wondering how many extra horse power does the 23-RL has to the older L model. adding a new pipe is a must, not only for power and sounds bader. it's lighter but you lose 10 miles a gallon. on my X I use to get 37 to the Gal now I get 27. that means a lot with a 2 galoon tank.
wsl5585, you took the words out of my mouth. I would love one as well, but time has passed, the 250/300 is more practical.
People complain this bike chugs or sucks at low speeds, would adding weight to the flywheel help that, I don't see any information on it, at least on You Tube.
This is the bike I keep going back to after looking at it since it came out, my only wish is that it was a Yamaha.
Does yamaha make a bike like this that comes already street legal? with turn signals lights and also has a key ignition?
Does it have a hydraulic clutch?
I change my oil every 2k miles 20k miles now. Zero problems......
Hell yeah!
...is that still on an unopened engine? Also, any mods or stock most of its life etc?
Really appreciate ya sharing as I haven't ran across a lot of people with that kind of mileage on these.
I wish honda would build a rally version of this bike i love me some proper LIGHT adv bikes
Fingers crossed! They're cooking up something...
Just terrified it might cost more then an africa twin is the only problem
What environmental rating on CRF450RL USA specs…Euro4/5? Cheers!
Do You know if anything will change for 2023 on the CRF450Rl ? Also when can we expect the2023 to be released ? Thank You
As long as there aren't any adjustments to the dates, we'll see the 2023 CRF450R announcement this month ;)
Beatifull ,
CRF500L would be way to go
Sry but 600 mile maintenance for a bike that gets on pavement is absurd
YMMV....As long as you don't ride it like a race bike you need not follow that is my understanding....on the other hand folks riding bikes with longer service intravals? IF they are thrashing them like racing would? LOL then THEY TOO ought to be servicing at 600miles! There is a lot of presumptions that go into those intervals they are not carved in stone
@@dougiequick1 thanks for insight
@@jeffreyulery2182 One guy here on youtube sent his oil off for analysis. I think the conclusion was a 1200 mile interval was reasonable for his riding.
@@dougiequick1 tell that to the warranty department
That and the flame outs, go with a drz or ktm
450l shares taillight with for sure first get grom and first gen cbr650f and cb650f not sure if they continuing to use on 2nd gen
lol yup yup, somebody got it ;)
I like this dual sport, but it is way to tall. Can this 450 model be lowered 4-5 inches?
A great bike to actually ride to the trails.... But, you have to turn around when you get there due to the lack of fuel capacity...
I want one. But I'd motard it and razz around town and the lanes, as there's not many places to ride off-road in the crowded south of England. And I'd have to buy the official Honda power up ECU, to take it from UK spec 24bhp 😭 to US spec 41bhp 😄
You hit the nail on the head with exactly what I'd do too! A motard is one of the few bike styles left that I want to own but haven't, soon though. I do have a sneaky feeling I'll get in a lot of trouble though lol as the possibilities are endless when it comes to how much of your inner hooligan that you can bring out on the street with a motarded 450 lol! Oh yeah, you guys were robbed in the performance department BIG TIME on this bike. It's wild how different things are from one country to the next on bikes and how they might be different from little lighting pieces here and there all the way to massive performance differences.
Speaking of riding off-road. Dumb question but do they have off-road trailheads / parks etc for you guys to enjoy or not really? Thankfully where I'm at in southeast Tennessee, we've got quite a few trailheads etc to enjoy but some of them have been disappearing more and more over the years.
@@HondaProKevin I had a KTM 690 supermoto a few years ago, wish I'd kept it! There are a very few trail parks in the UK, but it's not something we have much of here. Too many people moaning about noise, pollution etc. There are a few MX practice tracks, but they hv restrictions on opening for the same reasons & you really need to be a hard core crosser to use them. You can go trail riding, but only on authorised paths and most of them are either further north in England than where I live, or to the west (and in Wales) or in the south west - i.e. areas with less population density. We don't have the land mass to have wide open areas like the 'boonies' in the US & there's almost always a landowner involved too. A lot of trail riding paths have been lost, as those that don't ride think all bikers are hooligans and get protests up, which local council pencil necks just love.
Does the 2022 still have a cable clutch or is it finally hydraulic?
It’s hydraulic
450R (motorcross bike) is hydraulic but my 450RL(2022) is still a cable clutch.
@@dominickcapito4420 Cable, and it’s heavy if you’re a normal sized women.
Do you have any suggestions? If I get a Seat for my 2020 to 450 RL that lowers me 1 inch and I get the steering dampener that raises the bar is 1 inch and I am 510 is that better or worse or the same?
I haven't personally rode one setup just like that so I can't say whether or not it'll be worse, better or the same. However, theoretically it should be pretty close to the same when it comes to the overall feel as you're not making massive adjustments and you're not lowering the suspension which is what really kills the handling and throws all that R&D Honda put into it out the window.
How could a seat lower one an inch? Remove almost all the foam? Sit on a plank?
Seat concepts is a great seat. Best thing I bought for my bike. It’s lower but wider. Big difference than that stock concrete seat.
Any chance you could do a video on the 450X? And maybe with info on differences between it and the RL?
Yessir, that's the plan! It's a struggle getting my hands on certain models though due to inventory shortages from this rona mess but I should have one up soon ;)
@@HondaProKevin that's great, I'm thinking about buying a new 450X. And your videos are always worth the wait so I understand if these things take time.
One major difference perhaps is the 6th gear. Quite a bit done to reduce vibration and road noise also . But by far the biggest benefit of the RL is to those that live in places where a motorcycle has to have been built to ride on the highway or else forget getting it plated. One nice thing is a crush drive which I believe saves wear and tear on the entire drive train/transmission ....I assume the RL has and the X has not?
@@dougiequick1 since I posted that comment I have recently bought a '22 450X. It shares the same engine with the RL. The RL has street legal emissions equipment but neither has a cush drive. I wanted the lighter X that has a bit more power after doing some research. Since I can plate a dirt bike where I live I figured it would be a better place to start with more off road equipment since I mostly ride off road.
You really have to have a need for the 450 for the price you could put your dollars into an adventure style if i had a money tree I would definitely have purchased one
100%! It takes a certain type of person to want this over something like the CRF300L models at half the price or to make you go this route compared to putting a few more bucks on the line and getting an all out adventure bike. Thankfully we have more options than ever though and that's definitely a good thing as we all like different things at the end of the day.
Side note, if you find that money tree... let me know lol ;)
This bike looks nice but where the 150r at?
Lol it's coming bud ;)
It's difficult getting my hands on each and every model due to the whole inventory shortage from this rona mess. Was hoping to already have the CRF150R knocked out by now but needless to say that hasn't happened yet lol, fingers crossed I'll be able to get my hands on one soon though.
Whats the difference between 2021 450rl and 2022 450rl ?
Nothing, same bike
I love the look of this bike! it's a shame not having the abs. So, i'll have to go with Husqvarna 701 or KTM 690.
All those decades I don't recall ANYONE ever lusting for the day we'd finally have ABS on dirt bikes/dual sports. Now some think they will really be missing something without it? I mean I can see on touring or sport bike or even a daily commuter....but on a real dual sport bike? A bike purchased to ride in the DIRT with a license plate mainly as the means to get there? What would you be missing without it? WITH it you will be missing some dollars gone from your bank account! FIrst thing I had to do with my 2020 690 is buy a damn dongle to keep the rear abs turned toff.....lol that abs was trying to KILL ME in the dirt! lol
@@dougiequick1 exactly! Why the hell would you pass on this bike because it doesn't have ABS? Answer=noob rider that can't ride in the dirt. 💯
Traction control and lean angle abs are for more than just for noobs. Just as Rekluse is or flex bars or aftermarket seats or improved suspension, on and on. Eventually you'll see the light...(an Abs light). I'm also passing on any new dual sport without Abs.
What’s the gas mileage?
Still flaming out this year?
Give me the 750 shadow phantom.
My last DS bike was a DR350. Owned it for years and put many miles on it. It was 1997. I sold it, life got in the way of my off-road riding. My circumstances have changed so I stopped by my local Honda dealership here in Shreveport Louisiana today. I walk in the door and there sits a used 650 dinosaur with only 700 miles on it. It was a major distraction from what I dropped in to look at. Liquid Cooling. I'm all about that now. So I walk past the 650 air-cooled. What greeted me next was this CRF450RL. I reach over to lift it off the side stand. I thought Good God this thing is tall. The seat looks like a canvas-covered fence rail. I'm looking it over. sales chick walks up and said, "That's You!" Don't be so presumptuous lady, (I was thinking) and then all the superfluous looking crap on the side of the engine caught my eye. I have no idea what all that crap is, but I suppose it has something to do with government regs n such. I thought this stuff is perfect for catching dirt and grime and making cleaning a PITA. I guess I'm expecting too much. All I want are good looks, liquid cooling, and low end torque out the wazoo. I will continue looking around to see what motorcycle tech has to offer nowadays. I wasn't all that impressed.
Cool 🎉😂😮
Does this bike have ABS?
No sir, not available on this bike at the moment. The only CRF models with the ABS option are the CRF300L lineup and CRF1000L Africa Twin lineup.
Wondering if the vortex is still necessary for the 2022? I have a 19 and the constant stalling necessitated the vortex /yoshi which adds another 1500ish to an already preposterous price tag . In my opinion Honda in 2022 just isn’t what Honda once was . Maybe the 300 with a yoshi , 550 flash , and dna filter will be the do all machine .
The stalling is resolved by just turning up the idle a few clicks. Worked for mine. Using clutch modulation at low speeds resolved any twitchiness in the throttle. I'm stock ecu and pipe at 5.5k and cant really complain.
@@SnickterP interesting I was told the stalling is a result of the Ecu cutting fuel 100% on every throttle release . Irregardless of idle set point this fuel cutout would still occur , however if it worked for you than there’s something to it for sure . What year is yours ?
@@tobaccofarmer4life Mine's a 2019. You're right, it is the ECU, and was done to pass strict emissions regulations. But, both putting miles on it (namely, over 1,000 miles i noticed and improvement) and turning up the idle has stopped the flameout/staling/cutouts when I'd blip the throttle when trying to take off. Mind you, the engine must be warmed up first. But I live in NY and routinely ride it down to even the upper 30's and the bike doesn't seem to mind.
@@SnickterP ok good to know I don’t even have a 1000 miles on it yet , 8 hundred something I think .
@@SnickterP I've found my 2022 exhibits the same behavior you just described and an idle adjustment pretty much solved it. 👍
Cb300r
I would probably go for the 300L which is phenomenal but it's definitely in the lower power range. I just think Honda's lineup is a little baffling. The old XR650 is truly such a dinosaur they really need to update that to something more like the CRF 300L. But instead of a more powerful 300L l they did this motocrosser base bike. The very high price and the ridiculously short oil change intervals make this very limited appeal bike for most dual sporters, as great as it is. 400 to 500cc engine size to me is the perfect on\off road balance. Honda, how about a CRF 500L that is the 300L's true big brother?
If only the 300l could have a suspension at least like the klx300. It is still a fun ride but it sags too much, its too bouncy and plunges too much every time you stop.
They can take the normal 450 and put turn signals on it and it would be a 10x better bike….
Honda sure is missing the target midsize bike !
The 300l is a midsized/lil guy bike
250-350 is small. 400-550 would be mid. 600-750 super mid. Considering the number of ADV bikes in the heavy range 900-1200. The 300L is actually 286cc a bored out 250. Yes Honda has the CB500X but it's based on a much heavier road twin at 435 lbs. I think most dual sporters are not interested in a twin cylinder, they are just so much heavier. So yeah I think most people looking for a 450 dual sport just wish the 300L had a bigger engine. And that is not what the 450L is at this point!
Make a 650 rl
Does the 2024 model have ABS ??? WTF ???
👍🍻
Appreciate it David!
prediction 2023 (or maybe 24) Honda will punch it out to a 500....not because it needs it but just to get folks to trade up to a new bike ....a lot of guys just can't stand to have an "old" generation of a model. This has been a recurring tactic by various manufacturers with various model runs over the years ....youngsters would not even remember a number of things like the fact the KLR started as a 500 then a 600 until finally maxing the platform at 650. Same with Honda's big aircooled XR line which started out long long ago as a 500 then went to 600 and finally muck like the KLR maxed at 650. More recently we see the Honda CRF250 punched to 300 ...it is an old sales tactic and not limited to Japanese companies either. ...KTM loves to keep bumping displacement like they have done with many models including as of late the 790 which they wasted no time bumping to an 890 and way before that model they took the 990 to 1090 and then 1190 and then 1290! Even the current 690 I believe started as a 500? maybe 540? and they just kept bumping it....actually when they first named it 690 it was I think only 654cc and didn't actually become a 690 until more recent model years. Also consider that THOUGH the Honda CRF450 RL LOOKS like they simply put lights on the motocross racer? NOT TRUE....Honda actually had to re engineer the cases to accommodate a 6 speed.....So IF anything needed changed to allow future bump in displacement I am pretty sure they would have factored that in....The KTM 500 EXC used to come as a 450 also but I guess people opted more often for bigger is better....Honda's overwhelming main competition is absolutely the 500exc....so tell me any reason at all Honda would not be tempted to bump the 450? I'm betting within the next two model years....then the used 450s will come pouring into the market and maybe I will pounce on one! LOL
Kim’s were 525s also don’t forget
Need Akrapovic....
I like the way you think!
Trying to decide between a 450rl or a 300l to supplement my “dinosaur” xr650l. Either one would be a lighter addition.
In my opinion, it depends on how you plan to ride. If you're wanting to be super super aggressive then I'd go for the 450 but if you're just wanting to relax and still be able to hit some difficult stuff here and there, I'd save the $$ and snatch up a 300.
Wet weight of 300 rally with abs is 337 vs 340ish for XR650L all gassed up
300 rally. less maintenance.
I have a ‘22 450rl and I freakin love it!! Who cares about servicing it every 600 miles. If that bothers you, maybe you should be driving a Honda car!
Whats the difference between 2021 450rl and 2022 450rl ?
600 mile service is a NOT acceptable...period. Oil changes are going to get old Real fast...so glad I didn't buy one. So much for superior fuel injected modern technology....what a joke.
@@perron8742 I’m not aware of any difference.
@@94SexyStang whatever🤷♂️
You can go 1,200 miles east if doing mostly road riding. Several guys have tested it with oil samples.
As someone who owns a Crf300l rally and just sold a crf450. The Crf300l with upgraded suspension is just a better overall bike.
The 450 is still a dual sport, and isn’t great on road and is horrible at any low speed off road use. You need to immediately drop thousands on upgrades with the 450, then there are the very short intervals. Better off getting something far more dirt focused if you go that route.
I think in trying to make this motocrosser engine emissions legal, it just doesn't run right from the factory. It's shocking to me to pay that much for a bike that doesn't run right. You expect more from a company like Honda. And this is why I think they need to redesign a 450L exactly along the lines of the 300L. They tried to save their development money because they already had the 450 motocrosser, great as that bike is.
@@johnr7365 Lots of female riders. We tend to stay off the internet though, due to negative comments.
@@johnr7365 Yes, the 300 took awhile to bed in but the front still isn’t great.
crf450rally .....
The fact that this is even a question is plain silly. The 250 and 300 have no suspension adjustments, that in itself is way worth it. The 250 and 300 are gutless wonders in a big way, and off road they're both terrible. I've had both and now I'm on a 450RL enough said. A 250 or 300 is a girls bike period, not meant for MEN.
just get the CRF150L 😂
jk
A "review" that doesn't mention the ONE thing everything and their mother wants to know. Does the bike still flame out. Sigh.
600 mile service is NOT acceptable for any dual sport. What a joke....so much for superior modern technology.