I don't say this lightly, but this channel is probably the best bike reviews channel out there, calm and confident voice, professional, no BS and straight to the point! Thanks, Ben
I can’t wait for the Trek CheckList. My shopping trips and work flowing management will hold speed substantially better, and be at least 20% more compliant.
As a current Checkpoint owner, I was definitely interested when I saw your video about a lighter version of a gravel bike from Trek, however, there are two things that will keep me on a Checkpoint and not on this newer Checkmate: 1) lack of in-frame storage which I've really come to love on the Checkpoint; and 2) the integrated cockpit seems like it would make dis-assembly for airline travel cases even more of a pain. When traveling to gravel races and assembling the bike in a hotel room or out of the trunk of a rental car, you want the re-assembly process to be as easy as possible.
Bro…expand your horizon and get away from trek. There are so many other brands that make better bikes for the same price and better components (not Bontrager).
@@mechanicalmanical oh yea. I love America too. And I love my neighborhood trek store as well. It’s like 4 minutes from the crib and the dudes that work there are actually cool. They are not the snobby bike shop workers that don’t have time for you when you are about to drop $7,000 on a bike. Seems like that’s the typical ppl I run into.
@@irockuroll60 My Trek store guys are the same. They'll actually tell you that you might not need something you're about to buy. They also let me in the back to watch them service my bike, and learn how to do some of the things I'm a bit nervous in trying. Maintaining today's bikes is not the same as working on my BMX bike 45 years ago.
Beautiful looking bike, for the life of me I can't understand how a brand who actively participates in gravel racing would still sell these with 38mm tires??? and provide clearance for 45mm only. That shows the manufcaturers are still about two years or more behind where the customers needs are. I'd want a 10-52 and clearance for a 2.1 MTB tyre or 50mm at least. Gravel is not smooth everywhere, like in Australia we have a lot of fire road which is rougher and needs a 50mm plus.
2:50 "what does that have to do with the gravel race bike review" I believe for many people, and for sure for me, a gravel bike is the only way to enjoy some long bike rides while avoiding high traffic roads, and therefore staying safe.
Getting a Checkpoint last year has changed my life with cycling.... I have tons of dirt roads and rail trails around me and now I can ride there instead of mingling with cars. Less cars, More nature!! It's the only bike I need now, as it's a dream on the roads too.
I lived in Boulder for a summer in college in 1992, and I still have a lot of friends there. It's a beautiful place, with a great cycling community, and the ride for Magnus was an amazing gesture. Good on you for covering that at the beginning of this video. Love the channel content.
I’ve been racing my Revolt for two seasons now in the SE-USA. I’ve gravitated from 40mm to 47mm tires. IMHO, knowing what I know now - I wouldn’t buy a gravel bike that couldn’t take a 50mm tire in the mud.
@@Mamilian it will fit a 47mm Pathfinder Pro with the rear flip chip in the standard location. I’ve got to think that a 50 would fit with the flip chip stretched out
@@petersouthernboy6327 I have the OG pre-flip chip version. I think the new flip-chip one can fit a 2.2. Was really hoping that Giant would put a T47 BB in it.
@@Mamilian you and me both on the bottom bracket. I am so fortunate that I have a straight and true BB86 hole. That is too small of a bearing for dub or 30mm (and I run SRAM AXS). To this point, I’ve replaced it each Winter and it was actually a relatively fast and easy process - thanks to a $40 Chinese press kit from Amazon.
@@petersouthernboy6327they specify 53mm max in the long position but I'm pretty sure I saw someone with Maxxis Aspen STs (2.25"~ 57mm) during that Oregon stage race. I've been running 45mm Maxxis Reavers and keep thinking bigger would be even more fun.
A very thorough, thoughtful and detailed review. I was made aware of this review from my "in-the-know" son because he knew I was very interested in the Checkmate. It helped answer all my questions. I subscribed and look forward to future reviews. Well done.
Data from the Colorado Department of Transportation show 754 people died on Colorado roads in 2022, the highest number in four decades. Of those deaths, 36 percent were pedestrians, motorcyclists or bicyclists.
I personally think Trek should have given this bike greater clearance, with it being aimed more at racers it seems bizarre to limit the bike to just 45mm in a world where tyres are getting wider and wider pretty quickly.
Ben! Super solid review, these are getting better and better. Super appreciate your explanation on the "flavour" of bike and where it sits in the market. That's the kind of consumer advice most people need IMO. Cheers!
Having a frame that will fit more tire sizes IMO is always useful and can help future proof your purchase, especially since tire size seems to be increasing. It's always a buyer be ware deal and make sure it fits your needs.
The UDH compatibility is good, but launching a gravel race bike in 2024 that only fits 45's seems like it's going to significantly limit the market for them (people who only race tame courses or people who have multiple gravel bikes for different courses). Also, I'm a fan of in frame storage for race bikes, but I get that it's a weight trade off. It's not storage for basic flat repair (c02, plugs, etc.), but for all the other stuff you carry but don't expect to need unless things go really sideways (extra tube, tire levers, boots, extra battery, etc.). I don't want all that stuff filling up pockets.
Nice overview, Ben. But a gravel bike at this end should be fitting 50-52mm tyres. Data is out there that bigger is often faster. Imo theyve really limited the appeal of this. Should have copied the new checkpoints clearance. No downsides.
Would be interested to see the propain terrel on one of your channels, is there a chance ben that you get your hands on this one? Seems to do all the things the checkmate does, but only better, with more tyre clearance and all that for more than a fair price
Absolutely, here in the midwest US I don't think anyone should consider buying a new gravel bike with clearance less then 50c, even if they are going to stick to smooth gucci gravel
@@bewe9473 thats my current favourite gravel bike on sale judging by the spec and features, and the slightly longer front geo. Im trying to get hold of one.
Bit odd they’d limit the clearance to 45mm when some riders are rocking up with xc mtb for the added tyre clearance. Even the checkpoint is limited to 50mm which again seems bizarre.
@@scottwatson7844 50mm is really pushing the limit before making the leap to mtb bb shell widths and maybe even boost. The tyre clearance, drive chainstay thickness and chainring clearance is the limiting factor. The pros want to run larger rings on gravel which means something has to give and it seems jn this case its tyre clearance.
Your review on the Domane Gravel broke my heart back in 2018, cause I had just ordered an ALR. A couple of years later I got myself a Lynskey GR300, which is a proper gravel bike, but I still have that Domane as my road bike and it has been through several builds and a few overseas trips. In hindsight, it ended up being a pretty good purchase.
Great job as always Ben! Regards the Magnus White ride and call out for Trek sponsorship IMO totally justified when a corporate entity supports a worthy cause. Trek are far from perfect but seems to me they do more to support our sport than just selling bikes. They have been with NICA for a long time for example and as a cyclocross racer myself Trek is far and away the biggest supporter outside of Belgium - and one of the few brans still making a dedicated CX bike.
This new bike has been in development for a while and unfortunately for Trek gravel racing is evolving at an even faster pace. There is certainly a trend towards larger tires. It's gone from 38's to 42's to 45's and now to 47 - 50mm as pretty normal widths. On the pointy end we are seeing XC tires on rougher courses like Unbound and Big Sugar. Trek is saying 45 clearance on this bike, so basically the same as the current Checkpoint SLR, so something like a 47 Pathfinder Pro would still likely be just fine. For me, if I'm going to buy something new at this time, I'd want clearance for at least 50s. More bikes that clear that will be coming in addition to ones that already exist like the ENVE MOG. Personally I'd also like to have in frame storage. I get they were trying to cut weight, but I'll spend a lot more time on the bike training for races, than actually racing. I'll take the few extra grams to have the convenience to store stuff in the frame and keep my pockets lighter. Ultimately as Ben eludes to in the review, I think this is a stop gap measure to put something out with the new SRAM XPLR AXS group and Trek is likely working on the next gen gravel race bike already that will have 50+ tire clearance.
I think Trek did pretty well with this bike. Thanks for the review. I do wish for bigger tire clearance. I'm in the Ozarks, and as you know it's pretty rough riding on some of these minimally maintained roads. I think that in 5 years gravel bikes will accommodate 2.3" tires. On a different note, you are so right about Sram hoods being too narrow. That's the only thing I miss about Shimano. I'd love to figure out a way to bulk the bar up and still get the rubber hood to fit. Right now I've got as much bar tape in there as I can fit. Hope you are healing up Ben!
A few yrs ago I purchased a Domane at Trek in Boulder, CO. Such a beautiful city. I miss living in Denver! RIP Magnus. Nice video. I love the checkmate. I don’t really race though and I absolutely love the down tube storage. So the checkpoint would be more suitable for me. Now I just need to come up with 6k lol.
@@gregmorrison7320 Yep,100%,run a redshift stem and post,game changing. Current integration trends don’t allow for this….a case of marketing style over function.
Another good video. I'm done with Trek. Ordered a new $8k bike from them in February this year - they made me wait three months for it to arrive. However, it never arrived, and four months later, Trek offered to "try to find another bike from somewhere else". I went home, ordered a Canyon for half the money, and had it four days later. Sorry Trek. Bye Trek.
Hello, I also have a 1991 trek singletrack 970 and it is an amazing steel frame xc bike. Are you able to share details of your friend that is riding one with you?
The Checkmate I like, and it makes sense for what it's meant for. When it comes to Checkpoint, I'm sticking with the Gen 2. It's such a beautiful bike. Actually, it looks more expensive than either of the new ones tbh. That headtube and toptube design just is a winner.
thanks for honest review. I live in MD and ride/race up and down east coast. Races are very chunky with long climbs and lots of short, steep climbs. A lot of courses are stretching definition of gravel with sections that would def be better on a MTB. Thinking of Mountaineer, Hibernator & Iron Cross as good examples. I have raced on 40mm Cinturato H on my current Checkpoint SL7 and have had no problems. Def would have appreciated bigger tires on certain sections but overall 40 tires were fine with no flats. 🤞moving forward. I may try wider tires this fall race season as there is a lot of evidence that it doesn’t slow you down but I don’t see the major disadvantage to 45mm max. There are not many current race focused bikes with bigger clearance. Most have smaller max clearance. And the few that do have the flip chip that allows larger size which changes the geometry to a more relaxed.
My 7-yr -old TI bike that takes 45 mm tires. That was big tire clearance in in 2017. I just installed 45 mm tires for the first time (GK X1 R); I think size this hits the sweet spot for most gravel riding.
Note: Paige Onweller has a video out where she was able to fit a 2.1" MTB tire in the front of the Checkmate, it would not fit in the rear though. As with most bikes, one can usually fit the next size tire up (lots of folks race the Canyon Grail with 45s) from what is specified, so perhaps a 50 mm tire will fit in the rear. Of course fitting the larger tires does not leave much clearance for mud, so if one expects mud, going narrower is the best call (usually narrower is better in mud anyway).
Tire sizes could be getting determined now. 30mm-32mm for road. 35mm-40mm/42mm for CX, all road, and fast gravel. 45mm-50mm most gravel bikes. Then bigger then 50mm/ 2.0in up is MTB. What is insane what old CX tires width is now road width, no knobs. Old CX equals endurance/ all road whatever they call it now with fast gravel with just slight geo. changes. Then most gravel/ adventure bikes that some borderline MTB in some cases. Amazing 10-15 years of frame development and people just testing ideas got us.
Its a minor but making the trek logo smaller and placing it low on the downtube is a genius move, It gives the impression the bike is lower than it is snd it looks more aggresive.
Value wise, the updated Checkpoint seems like a real value for an all around gravel bike. It seems like it could be a great bike with a lightweight groupset and light carbon wheels. I don’t see any reason why that bike can’t be ridden pretty fast if you set it up right. That being said, this seems like a really cool rig. Looks super fast, it’s light for gravel and still comfy. I like that combo lol. The prices are a little nuts for most of us though. I would probably opt for a Revolt or comp level Crux as a result and save myself a bunch of money.
Oh boy! You should be easy to spot on that thing at SBT! I'm doing the 100 mile. I'm taking your past advice.. I did the black last time and it was tough. The 100 seems more enjoyable and competitive for an old guy like myself! RIP Magnus. It was an emotional ride for sure! Especially considering how often I ride right past that spot!
The integrated bar-stem is a “lazy designers” way to get the bike more aero. How much more aero is it once you strap a number plate to it, which is what you have to do in a race. Instead, spend the time to design a solution that makes the number plate more aero, by creating a fairing or such behind it. Then you could run any stem and cables wouldn’t have to go through headsets either.
I want a Shimano group option on the Checkpoint. I hate Sram. I keep all my bikes Shimano for bike part compatibility across all my bikes. Also still prefer Shimano shifters and brakes
New Checkmate replaces old Checkpoint SLR. So yes its two new bikes announced, but its also still taking a model / sku’s away. Also, love the new name! ♟️
Compare to Allied Echo please. Echo only fits 40 mm tires but I’m interested to know if the ride feel regarding stability, cornering, acceleration are similar.
First off......Awesome Review! One question I have, Fit & breach compared to your Madone? Do you run the 110mm on the Madone? I have a M/L with the 100mm and it is sweet, seems the checkmate is a touch longer then the Madone so I have been considering the 90mm set up for the checkmate.....Thoughts since you have both? Thanks
I have a 2023 trek checkpoint sl5 that I rode through France loaded with approx 15kg. I found that it did not have sufficient gear range for climbing. Which Gravel Bike offers the biggest/best gear range. I rode with 40mm tyres which were ok excepting for the rougher paths and rural roads. I am not sure that 45mm is optimal and found a lot of bike tourists preferring a 50mm tyre. Is there a standard tyre for touring? Cheers Peter
Don't know if you had the opportunity, but would like to have seen that on some more challenging "gravel". It seems there was a target market when they started designing, but maybe that market has moved on!
May I ask, Ben and community of The Ride, how do we think this geometry compares with Specialized Crux - as a fast gravel bike, a bit more detail on geometry as the video refers to Crux is lighter. Thanks 🙏
Amazing review! One question and I couldn't really get any information, are the triangle bag bolt compatible with the previous gen (alr and gen 2)? I'm in search of such bags to maximize frame spaces.
Keep up the great work! My fave cycling channel since even before you roasted the Domane. LOL I love my Revolt too, but it just cracked! Do you have a merch store? You should. 🚴🚴♂🚴♀
Overall this is a wnderful bike and an indepth review not only something which comes straight from a marketing department, but you took a closer look e.g. at the cockpit. I wonder whether one expects a minor but bothersome flaw at this price point.
We moved to Boulder county a few months ago. Didn't hear about Magnus until the ride event passed, very tragic. I've done a few road rides with semis and utility trucks passing and, with events like Magnus' on my mind, it's not very fun. These gravel roads you're featuring in the video look amazing. What area is that? My "gravel" is mainly Rocky Flats or Coalton Trail, so would like to find these more open, country based ones. Thanks for any advice!
I look forward to your run down of gravel race bikes for 2025. I want to see what you think of Checkmate as compared with MOG, Revolt, Crux and others.
I keep hearing about Trek reducing number of skus to keep up with sluggish demand post pandemic. Yet here we are, with now 4 gravel bikes, Checkpoint, Checkmate, Boone and Crockett, the last 2 being cyclocross but similar enough.
Another lost buyer here, 45mm tire clearance just doesn't cut it anymore. Hard to see the point in this bike for 17 seconds gain. I'll trade that 17 seconds for the ability to run larger tires when required. Will lose more than 17 seconds fixing a flat on the side of the road.
Have you ever ridden the Cervelo Aspero-5 ? My favorite bike has been my Cervelo R3 Ultegra Di2, but I really want to replace my Topstone and thinking of a Checkpoint, or an Aspero to rip up Chapman Trail.
Since you asked for questions curious how much tire clearance there would be with 650b wheels? I ride a 3T Exploro and run 40mm on 700c or 2.1’s on 650b’s seemlessly.
Love it, I’m an u happy checkpoint because it feels like it’s lugging a boulder behind it. How does this compare to the speed and stiffness of the old Cronus Ultimate?
Can’t all these big brands realize that space for +50mm tyres is non-negotiable…….save the effort of all the compliance and just give us race gravel bikes with huge clearance!
I don't say this lightly, but this channel is probably the best bike reviews channel out there, calm and confident voice, professional, no BS and straight to the point! Thanks, Ben
Agreed. He is a great presenter. Objective and fair.
because NOT paid for reviews that blow smoke up the arses of manufacturers.
Agreed - professional, objective, excellent, detailed.
Ditto. I love Ben. Doesn't create unnecessary drama like in other cycling channels just to increase views.
100% agree. Love this channel and all Ben’s insights, reviews, and personality.
I can’t wait for the Trek CheckList. My shopping trips and work flowing management will hold speed substantially better, and be at least 20% more compliant.
God, you sound like a terminal corporate case.
This comment is hilarious!!! I busted out laughing 😂 Trek Check List for the grocery haul win!
Wife will def be on board with this one. Buy two!
You can tell when one has been on the trail by the checkmarks.
Don't forget the fully solar powered e-bike version CheckOut - made with 100% recycled 23c tyres that no one buys anymore
Thanks for talking about Magnus and the work his parents are doing to honor him.
Also, that couch is still up there.
I'm sure not to be the only person to notice this, but it was very cool of you to put Magnus' Ghost Bike in the frame at the end.
As a current Checkpoint owner, I was definitely interested when I saw your video about a lighter version of a gravel bike from Trek, however, there are two things that will keep me on a Checkpoint and not on this newer Checkmate: 1) lack of in-frame storage which I've really come to love on the Checkpoint; and 2) the integrated cockpit seems like it would make dis-assembly for airline travel cases even more of a pain. When traveling to gravel races and assembling the bike in a hotel room or out of the trunk of a rental car, you want the re-assembly process to be as easy as possible.
Bro…expand your horizon and get away from trek. There are so many other brands that make better bikes for the same price and better components (not Bontrager).
I LOVE-LOVE-LOVE my downtube storage on my Checkpoint. I can't imagine buying a bike without it now.
@@irockuroll60but I love America and the trek store is next to my house
@@mechanicalmanical oh yea.
I love America too. And I love my neighborhood trek store as well. It’s like 4 minutes from the crib and the dudes that work there are actually cool. They are not the snobby bike shop workers that don’t have time for you when you are about to drop $7,000 on a bike. Seems like that’s the typical ppl I run into.
@@irockuroll60 My Trek store guys are the same. They'll actually tell you that you might not need something you're about to buy. They also let me in the back to watch them service my bike, and learn how to do some of the things I'm a bit nervous in trying. Maintaining today's bikes is not the same as working on my BMX bike 45 years ago.
Beautiful looking bike, for the life of me I can't understand how a brand who actively participates in gravel racing would still sell these with 38mm tires??? and provide clearance for 45mm only. That shows the manufcaturers are still about two years or more behind where the customers needs are. I'd want a 10-52 and clearance for a 2.1 MTB tyre or 50mm at least. Gravel is not smooth everywhere, like in Australia we have a lot of fire road which is rougher and needs a 50mm plus.
Agreed. Not everyone needs wide tires, but you can always put narrower tires on a bike with clearance for wide ones, not vice versa.
2:50 "what does that have to do with the gravel race bike review"
I believe for many people, and for sure for me, a gravel bike is the only way to enjoy some long bike rides while avoiding high traffic roads, and therefore staying safe.
Getting a Checkpoint last year has changed my life with cycling.... I have tons of dirt roads and rail trails around me and now I can ride there instead of mingling with cars. Less cars, More nature!! It's the only bike I need now, as it's a dream on the roads too.
Yep, gravel bikes are for aged mtb/cx/road riders. :d
@@fpeter01 lol, sure, why not! When the perfect bike is out there, ride it!
I lived in Boulder for a summer in college in 1992, and I still have a lot of friends there. It's a beautiful place, with a great cycling community, and the ride for Magnus was an amazing gesture. Good on you for covering that at the beginning of this video. Love the channel content.
I’ve been racing my Revolt for two seasons now in the SE-USA. I’ve gravitated from 40mm to 47mm tires. IMHO, knowing what I know now - I wouldn’t buy a gravel bike that couldn’t take a 50mm tire in the mud.
Same. Also racing a Revolt, mostly on 45s. If it could fit a 50, I'd be using that instead.
@@Mamilian it will fit a 47mm Pathfinder Pro with the rear flip chip in the standard location. I’ve got to think that a 50 would fit with the flip chip stretched out
@@petersouthernboy6327 I have the OG pre-flip chip version. I think the new flip-chip one can fit a 2.2. Was really hoping that Giant would put a T47 BB in it.
@@Mamilian you and me both on the bottom bracket. I am so fortunate that I have a straight and true BB86 hole. That is too small of a bearing for dub or 30mm (and I run SRAM AXS). To this point, I’ve replaced it each Winter and it was actually a relatively fast and easy process - thanks to a $40 Chinese press kit from Amazon.
@@petersouthernboy6327they specify 53mm max in the long position but I'm pretty sure I saw someone with Maxxis Aspen STs (2.25"~ 57mm) during that Oregon stage race. I've been running 45mm Maxxis Reavers and keep thinking bigger would be even more fun.
A very thorough, thoughtful and detailed review. I was made aware of this review from my "in-the-know" son because he knew I was very interested in the Checkmate. It helped answer all my questions. I subscribed and look forward to future reviews. Well done.
RIP Magnus White, too many people are killed by cars
Data from the Colorado Department of Transportation show 754 people died on Colorado roads in 2022, the highest number in four decades. Of those deaths, 36 percent were pedestrians, motorcyclists or bicyclists.
@@tubesockets120vCareless drivers are to blame, not the cars themselves.
I personally think Trek should have given this bike greater clearance, with it being aimed more at racers it seems bizarre to limit the bike to just 45mm in a world where tyres are getting wider and wider pretty quickly.
Especially with a lot of ppl riding mtb tires
45mm is plenty if you're light, i.e. a cyclist. After that you can just put drop bars and rigid forks on a hard tail mtb.
Ben! Super solid review, these are getting better and better. Super appreciate your explanation on the "flavour" of bike and where it sits in the market. That's the kind of consumer advice most people need IMO. Cheers!
Having a frame that will fit more tire sizes IMO is always useful and can help future proof your purchase, especially since tire size seems to be increasing. It's always a buyer be ware deal and make sure it fits your needs.
That's one plush looking ride for Steamboat! Triple chainring ftw!
Ben your videos make me so nostalgic for growing up in Boulder. Will be sure to bring my bike down this summer
I just bought a sl6 and had it shipped to my house. It was so easy to open and assemble. They even sent tork wrenches.
The UDH compatibility is good, but launching a gravel race bike in 2024 that only fits 45's seems like it's going to significantly limit the market for them (people who only race tame courses or people who have multiple gravel bikes for different courses). Also, I'm a fan of in frame storage for race bikes, but I get that it's a weight trade off. It's not storage for basic flat repair (c02, plugs, etc.), but for all the other stuff you carry but don't expect to need unless things go really sideways (extra tube, tire levers, boots, extra battery, etc.). I don't want all that stuff filling up pockets.
Nice overview, Ben. But a gravel bike at this end should be fitting 50-52mm tyres. Data is out there that bigger is often faster. Imo theyve really limited the appeal of this. Should have copied the new checkpoints clearance. No downsides.
Would be interested to see the propain terrel on one of your channels, is there a chance ben that you get your hands on this one? Seems to do all the things the checkmate does, but only better, with more tyre clearance and all that for more than a fair price
Absolutely, here in the midwest US I don't think anyone should consider buying a new gravel bike with clearance less then 50c, even if they are going to stick to smooth gucci gravel
@@bewe9473 thats my current favourite gravel bike on sale judging by the spec and features, and the slightly longer front geo. Im trying to get hold of one.
Bit odd they’d limit the clearance to 45mm when some riders are rocking up with xc mtb for the added tyre clearance. Even the checkpoint is limited to 50mm which again seems bizarre.
@@scottwatson7844 50mm is really pushing the limit before making the leap to mtb bb shell widths and maybe even boost. The tyre clearance, drive chainstay thickness and chainring clearance is the limiting factor. The pros want to run larger rings on gravel which means something has to give and it seems jn this case its tyre clearance.
Your review on the Domane Gravel broke my heart back in 2018, cause I had just ordered an ALR. A couple of years later I got myself a Lynskey GR300, which is a proper gravel bike, but I still have that Domane as my road bike and it has been through several builds and a few overseas trips. In hindsight, it ended up being a pretty good purchase.
Kind of cool to see the old Trek bike next to the current Trek race gravel bike.
Great job as always Ben! Regards the Magnus White ride and call out for Trek sponsorship IMO totally justified when a corporate entity supports a worthy cause. Trek are far from perfect but seems to me they do more to support our sport than just selling bikes. They have been with NICA for a long time for example and as a cyclocross racer myself Trek is far and away the biggest supporter outside of Belgium - and one of the few brans still making a dedicated CX bike.
A bike shop on Cape Cod that I went to a lot when I lived there told me that Trek bikes are trash. Pinarello and Guerciotti are the bikes to go for!
This new bike has been in development for a while and unfortunately for Trek gravel racing is evolving at an even faster pace. There is certainly a trend towards larger tires. It's gone from 38's to 42's to 45's and now to 47 - 50mm as pretty normal widths. On the pointy end we are seeing XC tires on rougher courses like Unbound and Big Sugar.
Trek is saying 45 clearance on this bike, so basically the same as the current Checkpoint SLR, so something like a 47 Pathfinder Pro would still likely be just fine. For me, if I'm going to buy something new at this time, I'd want clearance for at least 50s. More bikes that clear that will be coming in addition to ones that already exist like the ENVE MOG.
Personally I'd also like to have in frame storage. I get they were trying to cut weight, but I'll spend a lot more time on the bike training for races, than actually racing. I'll take the few extra grams to have the convenience to store stuff in the frame and keep my pockets lighter.
Ultimately as Ben eludes to in the review, I think this is a stop gap measure to put something out with the new SRAM XPLR AXS group and Trek is likely working on the next gen gravel race bike already that will have 50+ tire clearance.
I think Trek did pretty well with this bike. Thanks for the review. I do wish for bigger tire clearance. I'm in the Ozarks, and as you know it's pretty rough riding on some of these minimally maintained roads. I think that in 5 years gravel bikes will accommodate 2.3" tires. On a different note, you are so right about Sram hoods being too narrow. That's the only thing I miss about Shimano. I'd love to figure out a way to bulk the bar up and still get the rubber hood to fit. Right now I've got as much bar tape in there as I can fit. Hope you are healing up Ben!
A few yrs ago I purchased a Domane at Trek in Boulder, CO. Such a beautiful city. I miss living in Denver! RIP Magnus. Nice video. I love the checkmate. I don’t really race though and I absolutely love the down tube storage. So the checkpoint would be more suitable for me. Now I just need to come up with 6k lol.
"Waypoint" should be the name. Question is: Does the Checkpoint replace the Giant?" OMG!!! Cannot wait for the Steamboat Race Report!!
Integrated stem is always a no-go for me. You can’t tell what length to get until you’ve ridden it for a few weeks.
Not to mention the fact that many gravel riders like to fit a Redshift Shock Stop stem so would need to buy new bars to do so.
@@gregmorrison7320
Yep,100%,run a redshift stem and post,game changing.
Current integration trends don’t allow for this….a case of marketing style over function.
@@gregmorrison7320 yep. I have one and love it
Another good video.
I'm done with Trek. Ordered a new $8k bike from them in February this year - they made me wait three months for it to arrive. However, it never arrived, and four months later, Trek offered to "try to find another bike from somewhere else".
I went home, ordered a Canyon for half the money, and had it four days later.
Sorry Trek. Bye Trek.
Hello, I also have a 1991 trek singletrack 970 and it is an amazing steel frame xc bike. Are you able to share details of your friend that is riding one with you?
The Checkmate I like, and it makes sense for what it's meant for. When it comes to Checkpoint, I'm sticking with the Gen 2. It's such a beautiful bike. Actually, it looks more expensive than either of the new ones tbh. That headtube and toptube design just is a winner.
thanks for honest review. I live in MD and ride/race up and down east coast. Races are very chunky with long climbs and lots of short, steep climbs. A lot of courses are stretching definition of gravel with sections that would def be better on a MTB. Thinking of Mountaineer, Hibernator & Iron Cross as good examples. I have raced on 40mm Cinturato H on my current Checkpoint SL7 and have had no problems. Def would have appreciated bigger tires on certain sections but overall 40 tires were fine with no flats. 🤞moving forward. I may try wider tires this fall race season as there is a lot of evidence that it doesn’t slow you down but I don’t see the major disadvantage to 45mm max. There are not many current race focused bikes with bigger clearance. Most have smaller max clearance. And the few that do have the flip chip that allows larger size which changes the geometry to a more relaxed.
I don't know what bet you lost, but I look forward to that video!!!
My 7-yr -old TI bike that takes 45 mm tires. That was big tire clearance in in 2017. I just installed 45 mm tires for the first time (GK X1 R); I think size this hits the sweet spot for most gravel riding.
I believe in the not to distant future gravel bikes will be UDH and at least 50mm clearance.
You can’t fit big chainrings and frames will need to be heavier to accommodate the 50s. Pick your poison
Note: Paige Onweller has a video out where she was able to fit a 2.1" MTB tire in the front of the Checkmate, it would not fit in the rear though. As with most bikes, one can usually fit the next size tire up (lots of folks race the Canyon Grail with 45s) from what is specified, so perhaps a 50 mm tire will fit in the rear. Of course fitting the larger tires does not leave much clearance for mud, so if one expects mud, going narrower is the best call (usually narrower is better in mud anyway).
Tire sizes could be getting determined now. 30mm-32mm for road. 35mm-40mm/42mm for CX, all road, and fast gravel. 45mm-50mm most gravel bikes. Then bigger then 50mm/ 2.0in up is MTB. What is insane what old CX tires width is now road width, no knobs. Old CX equals endurance/ all road whatever they call it now with fast gravel with just slight geo. changes. Then most gravel/ adventure bikes that some borderline MTB in some cases. Amazing 10-15 years of frame development and people just testing ideas got us.
Another great video, Ben! If you’re taking requests, it would be great if you could put the Parlee Taos on your Review To-do list. Thanks!
The industry's "Faster, lighter" mantra can only go so far before it becomes a parody of itself (if we are not beyond that point already).
One bike to rule them all !! 🙄
entire bike industry is verging on parody at the moment
Its a minor but making the trek logo smaller and placing it low on the downtube is a genius move, It gives the impression the bike is lower than it is snd it looks more aggresive.
Value wise, the updated Checkpoint seems like a real value for an all around gravel bike. It seems like it could be a great bike with a lightweight groupset and light carbon wheels. I don’t see any reason why that bike can’t be ridden pretty fast if you set it up right.
That being said, this seems like a really cool rig. Looks super fast, it’s light for gravel and still comfy. I like that combo lol. The prices are a little nuts for most of us though. I would probably opt for a Revolt or comp level Crux as a result and save myself a bunch of money.
It's good that they separated the sports and adventure segments. The new Checkpoint has 50mm wheels and that's cool
Lower BB makes a lot of sense, especially with people tending toward shorter crank arms.
Oh boy! You should be easy to spot on that thing at SBT! I'm doing the 100 mile. I'm taking your past advice.. I did the black last time and it was tough. The 100 seems more enjoyable and competitive for an old guy like myself! RIP Magnus. It was an emotional ride for sure! Especially considering how often I ride right past that spot!
As they say: 'horses for courses'. 45mm is fine across mild stuff.
New custom dropbar frameset is 29x2.6+.
Dropped vertical bottle makes a lot of sense. So many bikes leave a gap there
The integrated bar-stem is a “lazy designers” way to get the bike more aero. How much more aero is it once you strap a number plate to it, which is what you have to do in a race. Instead, spend the time to design a solution that makes the number plate more aero, by creating a fairing or such behind it. Then you could run any stem and cables wouldn’t have to go through headsets either.
Looking forward to the new Checkpoint video. Checkmate looks amazing, but it's too bad the tire max size is 45mm. Trek missed the mark on that.
I hope for a checkcaliber. I mean the full suspension version.
Thanks for continued great coverage. I always appreciate your reviews, even if I’m not in the market for the item. Good to stay informed.
Man, that’s a sweet paint job, too
I run the Girona RSL in a 42 on my CheckPoint, they are great tires. Wish they have a 45mm as well.. maybe in the future.
I want a Shimano group option on the Checkpoint. I hate Sram. I keep all my bikes Shimano for bike part compatibility across all my bikes. Also still prefer Shimano shifters and brakes
Thanks for the review. You want a review of the new ridley astr rs ? Gravel race bike with 52 mm max tyre
Yeah, I would be curious to check that one out.
New Checkmate replaces old Checkpoint SLR. So yes its two new bikes announced, but its also still taking a model / sku’s away.
Also, love the new name! ♟️
Man, I want to be Ben in the next life. Just get to ride all the top end bikes without swipping a credit card. Great video
Dang that’s a nice looking bike / paint.
The Checkmate is a cool new addition to the Trek family, but let’s get a build review on that 970!
Looking forward to your Checkpoint review. Would be great to hear your thoughts on that vs your highly recommended Revolt
What bike is that @ 9:07? Do I see cantilevers?
Compare to Allied Echo please. Echo only fits 40 mm tires but I’m interested to know if the ride feel regarding stability, cornering, acceleration are similar.
Great review. You're getting the hang of this.
First off......Awesome Review! One question I have, Fit & breach compared to your Madone? Do you run the 110mm on the Madone? I have a M/L with the 100mm and it is sweet, seems the checkmate is a touch longer then the Madone so I have been considering the 90mm set up for the checkmate.....Thoughts since you have both? Thanks
I really like the style of your reviews.
Love your reviews Ben... when is the Gen 3 Checkpoint review coming?
Thanks for the review! Have you ridden the Cube gravel bikes? I would really like to hear about your opinion.
Cheers. No, we don't get Cube here in the US, unfortunately.
Another great video/review! Will you be doing a separate one for the new checkpoint? I noticed you were riding the new SL7. Thanks!
If you had a domane, checkpoint, checkmate all with the same components and tires would you even notice a difference?
That Trek 970 is fire.
We’ll need a full breakdown and review of the Protege after steamboat, Ben.
I have a 2023 trek checkpoint sl5 that I rode through France loaded with approx 15kg. I found that it did not have sufficient gear range for climbing. Which Gravel Bike offers the biggest/best gear range. I rode with 40mm tyres which were ok excepting for the rougher paths and rural roads. I am not sure that 45mm is optimal and found a lot of bike tourists preferring a 50mm tyre. Is there a standard tyre for touring? Cheers Peter
The Trek Checkmate SLR 9 will replace my Trek Domane and Trek Boone. Will run 40mm Schwalbe G-One 40mm tires (RS and Speed) depending on terrain.
I hope you don't regret your purchase when they up the clearance to 50mm in the next generation.
I already have a Checkpoint SLR 7 that I can run chunky wide tires on. The Checkmate will be more of an All Road bike.
Don't know if you had the opportunity, but would like to have seen that on some more challenging "gravel".
It seems there was a target market when they started designing, but maybe that market has moved on!
I think the safest bet currently is wait another 2-3 seasons till gravel bikes mature with winning combinations... BTW these roads look real fine 😅
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 my thoughts and prayers go to that family.
@13:58 "...and Delaney for the SAVE !..."
Can’t wait to see the bike review for the ‘03 Protege 😂
May I ask, Ben and community of The Ride, how do we think this geometry compares with Specialized Crux - as a fast gravel bike, a bit more detail on geometry as the video refers to Crux is lighter. Thanks 🙏
Would you use this as an “all-road” bike with two wheelsets? Looking to ride fast group rides, but then switch to gravel on other days.
Amazing review! One question and I couldn't really get any information, are the triangle bag bolt compatible with the previous gen (alr and gen 2)? I'm in search of such bags to maximize frame spaces.
Rebadged Domane RSL with room for 45’s
Local pricing for both models is INSANE in my market (South Africa). Prices are now at S-Works MTB levels...
Keep up the great work! My fave cycling channel since even before you roasted the Domane. LOL
I love my Revolt too, but it just cracked!
Do you have a merch store? You should.
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Overall this is a wnderful bike and an indepth review not only something which comes straight from a marketing department, but you took a closer look e.g. at the cockpit. I wonder whether one expects a minor but bothersome flaw at this price point.
We moved to Boulder county a few months ago. Didn't hear about Magnus until the ride event passed, very tragic. I've done a few road rides with semis and utility trucks passing and, with events like Magnus' on my mind, it's not very fun. These gravel roads you're featuring in the video look amazing. What area is that? My "gravel" is mainly Rocky Flats or Coalton Trail, so would like to find these more open, country based ones. Thanks for any advice!
I look forward to your run down of gravel race bikes for 2025. I want to see what you think of Checkmate as compared with MOG, Revolt, Crux and others.
Just order mine cant wait
I keep hearing about Trek reducing number of skus to keep up with sluggish demand post pandemic. Yet here we are, with now 4 gravel bikes, Checkpoint, Checkmate, Boone and Crockett, the last 2 being cyclocross but similar enough.
Crockett is only sold as a Frameset and the Boone has only 1 model and a frameset option.
I must say it is a purpose looking bike. Maybe you said it and I just did not pay proper attention. Can you have a 2by front mech?
It can, yes. Electric only though, I believe.
S-Works Crux cost the same amount of money what Checkmate SLR9. You tested both of them. Which is better in your opinion?
Thanks
Another lost buyer here, 45mm tire clearance just doesn't cut it anymore. Hard to see the point in this bike for 17 seconds gain. I'll trade that 17 seconds for the ability to run larger tires when required. Will lose more than 17 seconds fixing a flat on the side of the road.
Have you ever ridden the Cervelo Aspero-5 ? My favorite bike has been my Cervelo R3 Ultegra Di2, but I really want to replace my Topstone and thinking of a Checkpoint, or an Aspero to rip up Chapman Trail.
Since you asked for questions curious how much tire clearance there would be with 650b wheels? I ride a 3T Exploro and run 40mm on 700c or 2.1’s on 650b’s seemlessly.
Loving the mixed metaphors :) 45s definitely aren't enough
Is that Scott Moninger @5:45?
Love it, I’m an u happy checkpoint because it feels like it’s lugging a boulder behind it. How does this compare to the speed and stiffness of the old Cronus Ultimate?
Any chance you could do a Checkpoint vs Grizl review?
Hey Ben ! Thanks so much For your great videos.. question today is I love your kit .. do you have a link to buy your jerseys .. thanks
Eddie
Thank you. I just got jerseys in and need to get them up on my site, theride.bike. Give me a week!
The bike looks awesome! But the tire clearance🫣 Dylan Johnson is laughing right now))
Can’t all these big brands realize that space for +50mm tyres is non-negotiable…….save the effort of all the compliance and just give us race gravel bikes with huge clearance!