5 years of BROADHEAD Testing!!! (Have our opinions changed??)
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- We talk with Ranch Fairy about what we have learned about different arrow setups for bowhunting in the last 5 years since we started shooting heavy arrows and cut on contact broadheads.
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I am kinda middle of the road on a lot of this. I dont go 650+ and I dont shoot a single bevel. I have messaged Ranch Fairy several times and he has ALWAYS gotten back with me and answered my questions and been more than helpful. I build my own arrows. nock tune and spin the inserts to get good arrow flight. I shoot 125 grain brass inserts with 125 grain magnus or slick trick broadheads. The total arrow weight is around 525-535. I have not had a single issue with this setup
Wow, mine is almost identical and i dumped an elk with that setup. 150 grain magnus 75 grain brass insert, 300 5mm arrow
That right at the sweet spot of arrow weights. I'm right at 550 myself after all the tuning and it's dead on at 20 and 30 yards. I haven't had an animal in front of me yet to actually shoot one in the last 2 seasons. After shooting magnus stingers and having success and switching to a single bevel Grizzly I was disappointed how dull the Grizzly was after just shooting my target to check the flight. I will be trying the new magnus single bevel this year
The BEST advice I ever heard was from TBone....shoot the heavest arrow you can get as long as it goes at least 260fps and use whatever broadhead makes you confident.
That is probably the best advice out there.
Great video THP y'all and ranch fairy are doing a good thing for us bowhunters. Both of y'all have really helped me out personally and since I've switched to heavy arrows and broadheads I have seen all my deer go down. Thanks for what y'all are doing, hopefully more hunters will see how beneficial this is not only for the hunters but also for the game we hunt!!
That poor closet door 😂 gets worse every time we see it.
Always tried to have the highest poundage bow and lightest arrow and always wondered why my arrow would basically stop in the deer. Went to Ranch Fairy tunning, 65 lb and 600grains and never looked back. I hated sighting in my bow because of "tuning" my bow every year. Heavy setup and Fairy tuning makes it much more enjoyable! Deer always fall in sight and bow is much quieter! Thanks again all!!
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Yup!!
Interesting, though, seem to have pass-throughs even so.
600 grain on whitetail is way overkill. Sacrificing alot of speed as well!. 440ish to 500 gr is perfect weight imo especially for trajectory as well
@@nathangroseclose2071 The whole heavy arrow isn't new to me. I grew up shooting browning storm and 2219 arrows. Yeah they were slow but they hit hard and never had issues with pass throughs and hitting bone if on accident. Ranch just gave me a reality check of why that was and why bow hunting was so simple. I never worried about "tunning" my bow all the time. I shot it and used what worked with the bow not tune the bow to the arrow. I just got wrapped up in sales pitches and the need for speed. Btw no one looks down on someone using a 30 06 on a deer when they could use a 243. So why is this any different?
Man I still shoot 455gr arrow with both fixed (QAD Exodus) and mechanical grim reaper fatal stealing deer elk and hogs and have had awesome luck with it I haven't lost an animal in 12 years. I did pick the weight up from 380 to 455 and do believe it helped me all around
You know it's camp when most of the louvers are missing!
I am so glad I started watching y’all’s videos on heads and sharpening. I swapped last year to a 150 grain single bevel. And smoked a 5 1/2 year old 10 point in the shoulder and ended up punching through and heart shooting him. Head would still shave when I found it. Thank y’all so much!!!!
Your humility and thirst for knowledge is what will keep this channel around for the long haul.. good video guys!
I cant explain how many times ive had this conversation with people! Pick a set up for when your stomach is upset because it didnt go the way you expected because its going to happen! Perfect shots just about anything will kill a deer but sh&t happens so narrow it down to eliminate as much as you can
I’m shooting a heavier arrow but at the end of the day I’ll always be in a tree stand taking shots from 35 under.
Enjoyed the conversation. My local bow shop closed down several years back and i felt like i was alone in navigating how to make my arrows fly better. I always had issues with arrow flight anyways. Even with my proshop tuning my bow. Thankfully i found a small UA-cam channel called thr ranch fairy and through troys videos i was able to drastically improve arrowflight. I also had interest in heavy arrows and this guys testing helped me answer some of my own questions. I like the fact that he is still learning, and excited about learning. I have had correspondence with Troy and he has been a great help, and he is a great guy. There is definitely two sides to the argument, and until i start seeing heavy arrows with robust broadheads start bouncing off animals or flipping and flapping on impact while penetrating thin skinned game only a few inches ( likr most peoples setups do) , i think ill stick with adult arrows.
Have great results with 550 grain and 790 grain. Multiple deer with each. All with single bevels.
This year im building some 625 with single bevel. Cant wait to use them.
Keep up the good content!
I've followed RF for years. Never understood FOC. The archery shops could never "explain" FOC. They just talked it. Sold only 8%FOC arrows and sold to the chart specs. I'm just an old FK'r bowhunting 40 years. I was the shop slut until I started understanding FOC and building "adult arrows". Thanks Troy for all of your content. Apollo 300/100 gr sleeved insert/ 125 gr single bevel Tough Head BH. Bare shaft@7' and at 20 yds. Stacking bare shafts like tooth picks in a box. BH tune, lateral adjustment to my rest, BH/FP on top of each other. A daunting task to achieve perfect arrow flight? Yep. Worth every minute of effort. Nay-sayers....take up golf, it might be easier.
😂😂😂 we have alot of shit in common
Can we have a debate whos slayed more deer since thp started. That would be a cool podcast. All the data is already there.
My doe last year was heart shot with my bow and ran 20yds before she dropped. My buck I hit with a clean heart shot with my rifle and ran 80-100yds. Both were double lung heart shots. It’s crazy to think a good placed rifle shot deer ran farther than a good placed bow shot. Proof that no two “identical” shots end the same. My buck the year prior was double lung and we spent 4 hours and 300yds tracking him to find him bedded down struggling but still alive.
I'm just speculating that the adrenaline dump from the rifle shot deer carried him further for longer after the shot. Or he just had a greater tenacity by nature and a greater will to survive. It's been so unpredictable in my experience as well. They're crazy animals.
@@Outdoor-Tactics I’m guessing him being a buck and all jacked up from the rut let him carry himself farther. But I did shatter his scapula on the exit where as my bow shot didn’t. Which to me adds to the craziness of how far he “ran” more like pushed himself along with his hind legs
The talk on thinking an animal is perfectly broadside lines up with my experience last year. Thought I had a doe at about 8 yards broadside and she was actually quartering to me slightly and I hit guts and liver. Just as they described as well. From me having an opportunity to draw and then take my shot was 5 seconds or less.
30 years ago my Dad was shooting 125 grain Snuffer broad heads with Easton XX75 aluminum arrow and 5 inch vanes. It was the best 15 yard set up you could find. When bows got faster and technology happened, longer range shooting became more of a thing. With his old setup, accuracy became an issue and we went to light carbon arrows and expandables. Seems like technology has allowed us to come back full circle. Everything you have mentioned makes sense to me. Good video. I still like my 2 blade rage.
Crazy how worked up everyone gets about arrow setups. Throw your ego out the window and just see what you can learn from. Nobody cares if you shoot X or Y brand. Just acknowledge what you are doing, using a sharp (maybe?) stick to kill an animal. Too many people chewing on nonsense pushed from the outdoor industry at large from all aspects. This type of content is the only thing out there diving into the why/how to improve based on their experiences. Some folks may have better marketing than products...
There's a guy somewhere wondering what the hell happened to the side of his dumpster 😂 Great discussion, thanks for the insights.
Heck yeah, I've been waiting for another round table ranch fairy collab vidja. Hope one day, we at elkaholics can make video with you guys
In my experience, the mechanical Broadhead was initially not the problem. The smaller 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inch cutting diameter 3 blade mechanicals were extremely deadly and penetrated well. However, when everyone switched to these gigantic, 2 blade 2 to 2 1/2 inch cutting diameter blades..... That's when all the penetration went away. And we started loosing well shot animals. But i am never going to tell someone my way is better or the only way. Thanks for all the insight on other Arrow/Broadhead options.
As a non-bow hunter, due to health problems, ya'll make alot of sense! I enjoy watching the videos about tests, research, and such, to become better with what I huntvwith. Thank you for sharing 😊 Love what ya'll are doing 😊
Can u do a crossbow?
@JimRyser I have a Jackal that I occasionally use. It's a little painful after shoulder and elbow reconstruction surgery is all. I tend to hunt more with my firearms at longer distance propped up on my stand. I hunted with a PSE @ 70# for years, now I can't.
@@russellwatters5891I’m glad you can get out there no matter what. I’m a big fan of doing what we can within the limits our bodies gave us. Nobody teaches us how to deal with disability and aging.
I really enjoyed the “put your ego aside” part. It’s true. The results you get are only good for the medium in which you tested. They aren’t transferable.
We should be testing in animals if possible (and legal, etc).
Thanks for the clarity!
Moved to 600 plus 3 seasons ago. 1st season nil. The past 2 ive had complete pass through no issues. Thanks RF for getting me to adult arrows
Talking about perceptions and the vital V on deer got me thinking--all those targets have different position and proportions too, that surely can't help
I love the objectivity!
I am a huge fan of Dan Fitzgerald and i know he used to shoot about an 80 pound bow i think if not more and he would use an 80 or 100 grain muzzy and he definitely killed deer but in several videos you can see the arrow hit and just immediately stop and not pass thru. That right there tells you that high poundage bows and light arrows doea not mean it will penetrate.
Dan and his son Guy have started posting videos to UA-cam, if you ever wanted to watch some of that again.
@@veteranironoutdoors8320yea I have been watching that. I love those old Dan Fitzgerald videos.
I love how ive come up with this in my own head 2013 after i lost 1 aiming for that 10 ring you shoot at a target and she ducked the string and hit the top end / black hole. Next doe i shot was quartering away vital v i hit both lungs and cut the top part of the heart completely out of the sack and main arteries. Ever since then i have talk about aiming in the vital v but i called it the heart shot . Till now . This method is astounding the difference in tracking.
I liked the point made about how the skin, muscle, and bones move as the deer runs. And the point made on how a deer may not bleed out of a hole (regardless of placement or size of the hole). I made a 60-80 yard shot on a buck with a 30-06 slightly angled towards me (about at the point of the “V” that was shown in this video) the deer ran like hell and after running about 40 yards I could not see it anymore. Growing up it was instilled in me to never take a front on or quartering toward shot so I was really worried I had missed or shot the brisket. I did not see the deer go down so I waited an hour to go check around where the deer was standing. My heart sank as I did not find hair, nor a drop of blood and I could see his running tracks in the snow. I backed out and told my dad everything I saw, where I held the crosshair, and how I felt that I had missed it. Without any hesitation he said that that deer was dead so reluctantly we went back to where I shot it and followed the running tracks for about 60 yards and found that deer piled up dead. STILL NO BLOOD except underneath the deer. It appeared that the deer died mid stride (not bedded). The shot went in right at the forward arm joint (right at the point of the “V”) and never exited. I’ve never seen the inside of a deer so mangled, everything turned to soup. If it were not for my dad I may not have ever looked for that deer and I have never had another track job like that since.
Ranch Fairy videos got me interested in building my own arrows …2 seasons ago I got to test my work …620 gr arrow complete pass through on a mature buck ….arrow penetrated so much I could not find it in the dirt ….buck piled up in 40 yards ! ….If only I knew about heavy arrows when I was young I’ve lost 3 real good bucks due to lack of penetration over the years
Agree with the Vital V on broadside shots 100 percent, BUT, on shots that are quartering away, you have to start aiming further back or you're gonna start having "one lunger" hits, especially if they drop AND roll. It was hard to tell the shot angle on Zack's most recent pig loss shot, but straight on, it looked a like a boiler room pass thru, but if it was quartering away, could have been a "one lunger". I have tracked several deer like that for hundreds of yards thinking I had a deer down, and never recovered. True- the arrow redirect from bone ricochetes, and arrow impact at the drop and roll away reaction, can create some unmatched entrance and exit holes.
I shot 2 bucks 2 days apart from the ground last year broadside 18yrds with a Rage mechanical. Both double lung, pass through shots. No reason to change right? Wrong, I'm changing arrows and going to a single bevel cut on contact 150gr head this year. The odds of last years' experience repeating itself are next to nothing. My hunting buddy thinks I'm nuts, but after listening to the data and experience from THP and the Ranch Fairy, I think it's a no brainer. I expect to make mistakes and I want to send the best projectile I can to make the cleanest kill I can. That's our responsibility as hunters.
Your gonna be bummed with the blood trials
My brother, shooting a Rage Hypodermic, shot a 3yr-old 8pt. Double lung, partially quartered away....the only bone it hit was a rib on entry.
BENT the blade!
We've never shot a mechanical since.
I know there are some 'olay' ones out there that are decently durable, but I'm not gonna roll the dice. Got into tuning my bow properly now, so I can get fixed blades flying properly every time. Don't regret it one bit!
We DID recover that buck, ran 120yds. But a broad head being that fragile was a no-go. I don't care what the ballistics gel says.
@@GingerNinja1776 and you will lose deer because of it.
Deer die from blood loss
@@WMBCS False. Otherwise, there'd be a full 3+gal of blood in every blood trail before you find the deer.
Deer die from suffocation or organ failure: Inability to breathe, if shot in the lungs, or lack of oxygen to the brain if shot in the heart....or organ failure if gut shot.
Perfect, just sat down with my Dino Nuggs
My personal favorite setup arrow wise is a 550 grain arrow and a 150 grain 3 blade broad head and that seems to be a pass through every time.
Came into archery as a young teen 20 years ago with my dad we were shooting heavy aluminum arrows at the speed of smell with fixed broadhead and we were killing deer. then without question we went to the carbon arrows and mechanical broadheads. We needed the fastest bows. We were shooting so accurate we wouldn’t shoot the same dot twice out of fear of ruining an arrow. BUT THE DEER WERE NOT DYING ANYMORE! We weren’t getting pass throughs and lose a ton of energy through deflection.
Like i have said hundreds of times as a gun guy... if smaller and faster always worked, there would be no need to develop bigger heavier rounds.
You never completely know when looking at the arrows. Shot one 2 years ago. Recovered my arrow and it was straight green. Backed out. My buddy asked it I looked where it went. Walked to the edge of the path where it was and it was dead 20 yards down the trail just out of sight. Shot was perfect double lung but severed the esophagus. I've seen a LOT of variables in my 700+ depredation kills in the last 2.5 years and no 2 kills have had the same reaction. I prefer a 450 grain finished arrow with a 100 grain single bevel at 311fps in my current setup. Currently shooting Trifecta and love it.
The fact that more people don't necropsy their animals is something I've been shocked to find out about lately. I've been hunting for 14 years now and all but a handful of deer I've killed I've looked at what the bullet/broadhead did. I've always found it so interesting, and maybe that's where my opinions on bullet and arrow setups comes from. Surprisingly I like copper/bonded bullets that penetrate extremely deeply, and yet for some reason prefer arrows between 460 and 500gr with either sevr mechanicals or 3/4 blade fixed heads.
I am in the "in between" right now. Used to shoot lots of mechanicals...... Had mixed results... Started shooting more of a mixture the last few years but more often than not a good quality cut on impact solid head . Just doing that has had good results . So probably keep moving in your direction. I do have a 32 inch draw with pretty heavy poundage so get good penetration most of time no matter what I'm shooting lol
Good video. No 2 shots in a hunting scenario are ever the same. FAIL, ADAPT, LEARN. GROW, BE BETTER. LET GO OF WHAT YOU ARE TELLING YOURSELF IF IT ISNT WORKING. THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN WOUNDING A DEER IS FEELING BAD ABOUT IT AND NOT LEARNING AND GROWING FROM YOUR MISTAKES. MAKE FAILURE PAY BY FAILING FAST SO YOU CAN GROW.
I shot sub 400 grain setups for years. After the second arrow stopped in the scapula, I switched to a much heavier setup. Shooting a stiff spined Easton Sonic with a high foc and around 550 grains of total arrow weight. Have yet to have an arrow stop since the switch.
I know you guys like your single bevels, but I shoot a crossbow because I have torn rotator cuffs. Man do I love Tooth of the Arrow 150grn 4 blades. They do work for bows, Do it Yourself Hunter uses them. Ranch Fairy broad heads look like VPA's which work awesome. Last year I put a TOTA through the heart, he trotted to 30 yards and dropped.
Excellent content and open-minded discussion. Arrow weight seems a no-brainer to me. Shoot the heaviest arrow you can that gives you an acceptable trajectory. Then top that joker with the SHARPEST and toughest broadhead you can get to fly well. I also found that my bow is quieter at the shot with a heavier arrow. Seems like an easy choice for hunting. Thanks for the great content.
Ed Ashby also put compounds away because everything went through. Tune your bow, sharpen your broadheads, practice to distance, learn animal behavior, and kill animals.
One thing I have noticed in my 40 years of hunting is that Gun hunters are more interested in bullet performance than Archers are about broadhead performance. Or at least seem to pay more attention to it. I know a lot of gun hunters that when you ask them about bullet performance will show you a box of recovered bullets, talk about their testing, and can show you bullets that failed and they retested in media and can describe why it fails. Archers seem to pick a favorite broadhead and just stick with it or worse yet switch every year. But don't talk about any real testing. (and I'm just as guilty of that mentality)
From 2 k subs to over 605k you rock !
I use a crossbow and am curious if you think any of the info you included in this would pertain to me and other xbow users as well? This year I'm going to try a new setup with a total arrow weight of 592 and the new magnus single bevel 150. I'll let you know how my season goes and how i like this or if i change it completely by the time the season starts.
Awesome content, love the collaborations with ranch fairy!
I got a doe last season with my bow, basically shooting straight down at about 17yd to target. Severed the spine (cracked a vertebrae) and exit wound came out behind the scapula. I truly believe that shot was only possible because I was using single bevel and a heavier total arrow weight. (About 640gr and 19-22% FOC) Can't remember exact numbers, I have since changed my entire setup for this upcoming season.
So in the video you touch on mechanical’s and deflection when the deer is “rolling”. I seen a prime example of this in a Levi Morgan video with Ben Roethlisberger. Check out the video and watch the buck Levi shoots. Where the arrow enters and exists is crazy and that’s from a ground blind.
Great recap!!! Would the Fairy fix that dang closet door. It's been busted up for ages lol
I agree 100% to testing on a real animal, as well as to the heavy setups and fixed blades. The most recent test comparison you did y’all’s setups last…. After the shoulder was weakened…. Prove it and do the first 3 shots with y’all’s setup in a row then test those mechanicals. FYI I am on the same page as THP but show the non-believer’s first!
My dad shot a bull elk last year, perfect broadside 55 yards, and when we found him, he got a perfect shot, but he whirled last second and had 2 exit wounds out the front of his neck
Talk about the Elk Arron shot with Born and Raised….. Frontal and it went through the entire Elk!!!!!
Last year i hunted with 600 grain arrow single bevel. Killed a nice doe, arrow went through and another 10 yards beyond her. I have pros and cons. I think it is all situational based. In Michigan especially in beginning of fall is dense woods, being so thick in the area's i hunt. a heavy arrow can be really beneficial, short distance shots, etc. Its awesome. However, as the woods open up, leaf's are gone, but you still have all those branches, now my trajectory is terrible and i'm limited with a heavy arrow, it sucked. Didn't realize how much it would affect me. But overall, it really depends on the shots you want and where you decide to aim. If you aim to far forward, heavy arrow with single bevel is really good. But if you happen to hit to far back, i always prefer a mechanical for a larger hole. Again, were talking about what-ifs with single bevel vs mechanical, because i'm sure everyone has experienced both scenario's. Single bevels have a less chance of failing for sure. Problem with Mechanicals is, you have to be pretty knowledgable about why one is going to work like junk and the other is going to work good. I have lost deer on a single bevel shot by just barely missing the heart and have lost deer on a mechanical due to hitting the upper bone, what percentage are you willing to deal with. Giant bucks have been killed by both, due to shot placement and knowing what your arrow is capable of. Now FOC, you can build a light arrow with good FOC, FOC is important.
As hunters I can definitely say at least for deer hunting we are taught to shoot too far back in my experience. If you are using a compound bow, it would be best to shoot a fixed blade head. if you are using a modern crossbow that is shooting 400 ft./s I would say to use a expandable, if you take human error out of the equation, most heads will perform like they’re supposed to, but if you were taking shots like the Hunting public, you’re going to want to shoot a fixed blade head because of the bone contact if you wait for a better shot like you’re supposed toexpandable head will work for you now keep in mind most of my expandable kill shots have been with a crossbow that has more power than a compound bow
What I’d like to see is a good single bevel broadhead on a 420 grain arrow and a 650 grain arrow and see the difference in penetration. In the same spot of two similar pigs. I wanna know if it’s the weight of the arrow or all the broadhead?
Ranch should have his subscribers save every shoulder blade from this next years deer season and send them to him. I think would be awesome
It’s a great idea, but If the idea is to use the shoulder blades in testing, unfortunately, Troy has talked about this before. Once an animal dies, the bones begin to change. They become more brittle over time and they quickly become an irrelevant test medium. That’s why he has done some testing on freshly killed pigs.
@@Chadb11 I agree, or could show proof of success with heavier broad heads or even maybe some fails with expandables, I know I’ve found a few expandables in deer
Deer part transfer laws !!! Big deal interstate disease trafficking
Shot rage. 2 1/2 cut. Don't go 20. But I'm diffrent. I shoot in the shoulder like a rifle. Drops em.
Let's go! 🏹
When y'all getting those THP mag pros restocked? Just wondering when I should look at ur shop again.
Can we please get target manufacturers to put the vitals or the scoring rings where they need to be?
Funny how ranch fairy chickened out of shooting with the western guys at San Antonio tac. Speed is forgiveness when range estimating. 650gr 215fps at 40 yards has 62” of drop vs a 430gr at 290fps that has 34”. Penetration is 90% the broadhead
400 grain arrows, fixed blade and full pass throughs for me. I’ll keep shooting my light arrows.
I can't wait to watch the podcast to find out why Ranch changed his shirt lol.
I just wrote up a super long comment... All the information is out there. Make whatever choices you want.
Ok what is happening to the closet door behind the archers?
Are you guys shooting in house and destroying the place? 😮
A arrow on the heavier side always made sense to me because when I take my 300WM out to distance, I'm loading a 215 grain bullet and not a 150 grain bullet. Yeah the 150 grain bullet might be a lot faster at the muzzle, but it looses its momentum a lot quicker than the heavier 215 grain.
My bow is set at 70lbs and my arrows are 250 spine, 29” long weighing around 500-515 grains. Weighted insert and 125gr magnus buzzcuts. Shot perfect at 20-30yds, but at 40yds my arrows were dropping 2-3 feet. I just couldn’t get myself to shoot an animal using equipment I wasn’t 100% confident in myself being as accurate as possible at 40+ yds. Not saying you can’t be dead accurate with that setup cause a lot of people are, but with how much the arrow dropped at 40yds made me second guess myself. Going with 450gr arrows and cut-on-contact single bevels this year. Other opinions on this matter are welcome!
My bow is 71 pounds. My arrows are 29 inches and are 520 grains. I also use a Magnus, but it’s the Black Hornet Ser Razor. It’s no issue at all shooting way out there with the equipment I have……on targets. It makes my 30 yards and in hunting shots so much easier. Take the time to figure it out. You’ll thank yourself later for it.
@@gsnicholas8522 Thanks for the advice!
Lost 2 of my best bucks to rage broadheads. One broadside and 1 quarter too me slightly. One arrow broke off 2 inches in and the other one about 1 1/2 inches. Within 25 yards. Both edge of shoulders. Luckily they made it. Say shot placement but nobody is perfect and unless your a competitor shooter your going to have a bigger arrow grouping.
Been using g5 Montec havnt had a problem since.
Would love to see a video with the hunting public and Josh bowmar, you guys both agree on the heavier arrow side of things but disagree when it comes to fixed blade vs mechanical.
I hope they never associate with that poacher
That dude is a joke 😂
Yea I wouldn’t advise they get involved with that moron. He might burn their cabin down too
those animal graphics were really great in this video
I hunt with a 650 grain arrow with my stick bow, light arrows wouldn't work on a stickbow
I've hunted big Canadian game for 47 years now. My father swore that a big bullet left a dead animal. Speed was irrelevant.
On deer we never shot beyond 200yds in our woods but the bullets were big. 44 Magnum, 30-30, 35 Remington, etc. They leave big holes on both sides and we never lost an animal. It's why the 350 Legend 180gr bullets have been so successful on deer and bear under 200yds. It's enters and leaves with big holes. People poo poo-ed that caliber but the results for North American are now well documented. It's not speed, it's weight.
Shooting light archery arrows is akin to shooting deer with 223's.
It's plain wrong. If you have a distance issue and need speed to compensate, get off you asses and get closer.
You really need to google the name “Nathan Foster” he is the Dr Ashby of the rifle/pistol world.
well said. .223 analogy is dead on
I know more hunters who tried the high FOC setups and went back than I do those that stuck with it. This is northeast and just anecdotal, but nonetheless it's what I'm hearing in my circles.
Yea I don’t get it. The leap from lite to heavy just seems excessive. I went heavy when I started following you guys years back and I’ve basically dropped 25 grains a year and last year was 456 grains and a mega meat still through the top of the shoulder blade and clean through the other side. With a 330 ibo 70ln 29.5” draw Bear approach. I don’t understand how you guys have so many problems
My 575gr arrow had a pass through last yr....the long way, from its front shoulder through is opposing ass cheek.
I just got a Mathew’s phase 4 33 ata, my arrows are all within .7gr around 462gr, 75lb draw weight. So I think I’m in the good ballpark of arrow weight. I’m shooting g5 montec fixed, 100gr. I watched the potato vidyon single bevel broadheads, my question is, if I move to the single bevel, do I need inserts with a bearing? My arrows clock counterclockwise. So either an extreme amount of loctite is required or different inserts. I just bought the bow and built my arrows from the bare shaft, so replacing the inserts would be difficult. But I definitely don’t want to shoot mechanicals, but I’ve liked what I’ve seen with the single bevels. If I need to change the inserts, I will, but idk if that’s necessary
As a just some random internet user looking at what you're asking i might suggest going with a direct bond insert or epoxy the broadhead threads into the insert. Both are things that the ranchfairy has done or suggested for maximum structural integrity of the arrow system. You could watch his cape buffalo arrow build video for some more suggestions.
What is your opinion on the study that came out showing that even during the rut, most deer (including bucks) moved between 10 AM and noon, contrary to belief that they were mainly early morning movers? Are you going to stick with the old ways of hunting early morning and evening? Or try some hunts during the mid morning to lunchtime hunting? TIA
I would be inclined to believe that more during the rut.
I came to watch the video just to see the coffee spill 😩
Aaron what broadhead did you shoot that buck on your family farm with that went 300yds?
Magnus Stinger 150 but I’m 99% sure it was my practice head. Took Miles that day and wasn’t focused on which arrow I took out of my quiver so I think i shot the deer with a dull broadhead on accident
I got sick of no pass throughs, I went to a 100 grain brass insert with a rear deployed BH, deadmeats. More than enough now!!! I do notice a drop in arrow past 30, especially past 40. But who cares
Come hunt CT! Y’all can camp out at my place. I have plenty of space! An extra lot y’all can do whatever on. Plenty of privacy here. I’m in the northwest corner, lots of public land n we have some good deer! Haven’t seen y’all in NewEngland much!!! I’ll keep tossing this offer out lol! Come on up!!!
The worst vice is ADvice, but if facts are in the equation no amount of argument convinces my emotions to change. The Fairy backs his statements up with facts.
He just ignores all the facts that prove how silly heavy arrows are
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@@JimRyser excellent reply to the fact that heavy arrows literally make it less likely you even hit your target
@@WMBCSmight wanna get some better education there ol son
DId you guys hunt San Juan national park last year second Elk? Swear 2 of you guys blew past my group climbing the mountain the day before opening day. If not, y'all got some doppelgangers!
So cool to have been around for this whole shift, these guys are now the rightful authority on these subjects.
I remember years ago all the kicking and screaming as the data wouldn't match beliefs.
Now everyone coming into this discussion at this time views the a foam block test for penetration as akin to a flat earth experiment 😂
ive had far shorter tracks and much higher success with Magnus black hornets over rage with a 420 grain arrow. when rage worked it was fucking magnificent. the black hornets tho the deer just run and dont even know their hit half the time stop and fall over. dont even get me started on the shoulder blades. magnus blows through
If your opinions have changed, i'd be suprised. I know personally i will never look back. The fairy is an authority on this matter. Flat out.
If you don’t worry about math or hitting the actual deer then he’s you man.
I urge you to watch more people that can prove him wrong. There are multiple videos. Watch Chris Bee.
Ranch fairy isn't authority on anything archery. This is getting ridiculous. This crap has been proved wrong so many times by actual experts on the matter. They all work just tune your bow correctly and practice very tight groups.
@@johnhayes2299 Chriss Bee is a target archer. I have seen at least one video of his in which he looses a deer with an expandable. THP has collectively taken 5X more deer and with that comes experience. I urge you to come and take a look at my trophy room. I have the heads meat and photos for receipts.
@@rogersteele8595 This is written like someone with limited experience. No one is denying they all work. The point is to maximize efficacy and recovery. I have personally tested and proven the theories correct since 2020. I have the heads, meat and photos to prove it. What research have you done to disprove Ranch Fairy's dozens of hours of content? Your bro science does not add up. Keep shooting expandables, real archers are running circles around you.
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Broadhead choice doesn't matter. When you release you need to hear that hawk tuah and you know that deer is done.
I completely understand why you guys from the Hunting Public shoot the set ups you do. The types of hunting you do sneaking up on deer and shooting from the ground a lot and a lot of close shots and odd angles ect. But one thing that should be mentioned is that really heavy arrow set up with a big heavy flat broad head might not be the best option for someone hunting open woods out of a tree stand where they might be taking 40 yard shots through the trees with branches in the way where your trajectory is a big concern. Also where I hunt here in PA it's windy way more than it's not and that can really affect your arrow flight depending on what broad head and fletching you shoot. Basically you don't want to shoot the heaviest set up you can shoot period. You want to shoot the heaviest set up you can that works for you and your situation. I have definitely went with a heavier set up than what I used to shoot with a heavier foc arrow and 125 gr broad head but I'm still not shooting no 650gr set up either. You have to find that happy medium that works for you. God Bless
Quartering too?…. Just not an ethical shot according to 40 yrs of watching hunts…yes it can be done…with right setup…but we were all taught broadside or quartering away is best….but….it all comes down to arrow placement and consistency 26:40
"We all grew up shooting deer behind the shoulder." That's so true. And what I learned eventually is, what they meant by "shoulder" is NOT what I thought they meant by shoulder. Nor was this misconception helped by so many "suggested aiming point" photos in magazines or educational handouts from the sate (that were probably drawn up by someone who didn't get it either). Because they were always saying "behind the shoulder" but what they were really showing behind the LEG, not the shoulder. Which is where I aimed for years.
Good stuff guys as always.
Good convo.
When I first started deer hunting, I was all self taught. I had UA-cam and one close friend who had hunted and helped me out along the way, but the first couple seasons it was definitely a learning experience, but once I started aiming to the vital v or the opposite side shoulder, my success rate has been a lot better and I haven’t lost as many Deer shooting to the opposite side shoulder. If you see this comment the Hunting public please respond. Do you think you would have the same opinions on Broadhead selection? If you were using a high power modern crossbow I know you guys mainly use compound bows, but it would be pretty good to hear your guys input ifyou think your broadhead selection would be different with today’s modern crossbows
We have very little experience with crossbows. Would have to test it thoroughly first.
Reality….what arrow and broad head works best when Plan B is in force, whether it be distance to target, improper placement etc…. Got all I could get I feel from first 12 minutes👍🏻😊 a properly placed arrow in a reasonable distance, they all work as far as heads go….but plan B…different and questionable results practice and good decision making are and always will increase your ethical success!
Shot couple hundred animals with 396gr arrow and only animals I lost were from poor shot choices on my part. I think there’s a happy medium here. I feel nd 500+ to be unnecessary in 90% of situations!!! I now shoot a 446gr arrow and have gone back to a cut on contact super sharp broadhead with about 15% foc. I have 500gr arrows that fly like darts but my groups go from 50cent pieces out to 50yds with the 446gr to 3-4in groups with the 500+gr arrow. Now shooting in a hunting situation 35-40yds is absolute max in perfect situation so that changes things a bit. For me though with a decent shot at my acceptable ranges having a bit faster arrow allowing me some hunter era in judging yardage but still giving me some extra grains then I’ve shot for 35yrs. The loss in accuracy with 500+ is just not worth it for me as accuracy for me is king. I for reference hunt deer, black bear and moose and in past never had penetration issues but see the the old 396gr arrow probably isn’t the best. Of course at 50yrs old I’ve just switched to trad bow so the adventure begins again.
There are no reasons at all for why you should lose accuracy when going to a heavier arrow.
Apart from having a to weak spine.
If you have the correct spine and decent foc, your accuracy should be the same.
And the difference in where you hit if you misjudge the distance by 2-5 yards is VERY much smaller than you think if you make sure to sight in for the weight of arrow you intend to use.
Yes, if you sight in with the light arrow and then try a shot with the heavier arrow, it might be more than you like.
But if you sight in for the heavy arrow and test how much lower you hit if you misjudge the distance with 5 yards and then do the same with your light arrow, you will see that the difference between the two arrows is much smaller than you think.
You can even do this from your own couch with ballistic calculators and see the same there.
@@The_Judge300 So for me it’s a HUGE difference!!! 446gr my 20yd pin hits 3in low at 30yds still in vitals most times. My heavy arrow just weighed at 515grs hits 9in low at 30yds off a normal sized deer. Now shouldn’t miss judge yardage by 10 but I still hunt with bow about 50% of the time and in heat of moment stuff happens. I don’t aim for heart always for double lung, and never frontal of hard quartering too shot either. If the animal gets away cuz never presents quartering away or broadside I’m more then fine with that. Yes you can be accurate shooting a piece of rebar if you have to but I’ll take being a bit faster and flatter over what I gain in penetration but lose in speed. My light arrow flies at 279fps and heavy arrow is 245fps. I need a 3ft window at 245 and a 16in at 279. Being mobile hunting public clean arrow windows almost don’t exist. In open areas at known yardages speed doesn’t matter. Let’s face it 95% of animals I kill are 15-18yds so at that distance speed matters zero so shoot whatever. 100% reason I’ve switched to recurve to as at 15-18yds I can hold tight groups so why shoot a compound at that point.
Couldn't agree more. The difference in drop from my 400 grain arrow and my 550 grain arrow is huge. I misjudged a deer by 5 yards and shot over his back with my heavy arrow. If I would of had my lighter setup all my pins would have covered the vitals.
It’s plain physics heavy arrows fly slower hence hit lower, faster arrows hit higher cuz they are flying faster. I shoot just to relax after work or whenever I get free time. This means I shoot 40-50 arrows a day min and I have my bow completely dialed in and bareshaft tuned for multiple setups. It’s plain physics like I said heavy arrow drops more it’s easy to understand. I shoot a single pin slider and typically fix it at 20 and hold high or low to adjust for yardage. Faster arrow requires very little adjustment to hit vitals where heavy arrow requires me to hold off animal to do the same. Not a big deal but not comfortable for me. Same with traditional bow that’s why I string walk using tip of arrows as my sight. I agree shooting ultra light arrows I did in the past wasn’t right but just went with what bow shop recommended. Like I said never had trouble with pass throughs with any arrow and broadhead combo fixed or expandable. When I changed my setup since they don’t make my old arrows anymore I did some research. I weighted current arrow and played with heavy setup. For me didn’t like results and there was too big a trade off. Split the difference and found a compromise. My old setup I could shoot one pin easy from 15-40yds and still hold on animal but not with heavy arrow. However 20yd pin 15-30 is very acceptable for me in a hunting situation. At 3D shoot it’s easy to constantly adjust sight and micro adjust but for me I like eliminating that variable while hunting. Not that I think they are great example but people that shoot TAC don’t shoot 600gr arrows cuz they aren’t as accurate out at those distances. It’s a simple concept to me.
Just saw an add on the Mackenzie x-ray 3D target. Excellent idea but the heart is not in the correct position it is shown 3 to 4 inches behind the front leg. This teaches everyone to shoot behind the front leg and not on it. Your image of the internal organs shows the heart in the correct position.
Ranch Fairy , why did you stop hunting deer ? Bad experience ?
You guys should see if there is a blood tracking dog close before you hunt an area.
if you hunt central SD give me a call.