Loading PC Games from Reel to Reel Tape

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  • Опубліковано 11 бер 2021
  • Let's encode some PC data on tape using the Kansas City Standard! Dozens of retro computers used audio cassette tapes as their method of loading and saving software, but using reel to reel tape? Now that’s more exciting -- and complete overkill with 10.5" reels at 15 inches per second.
    ● LGR links:
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    ● Here's a link to the KCS 0.8 software I used:
    archive.org/details/kcs08
    ● Music courtesy of:
    www.epidemicsound.com
    #LGR #Retro #Technology
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  • @XenWarriorTheReal
    @XenWarriorTheReal 3 роки тому +593

    "The file size would be 5 hours" But what is 5 hours in a man's life if he can proudly say that he invented a new way to play Doom?

    • @Wheelman2004
      @Wheelman2004 3 роки тому +97

      If you have a file size lasting longer than four hours, please seek emergency care immediately.

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 3 роки тому +14

      5 hour R2R doesn't exist.

    • @XenWarriorTheReal
      @XenWarriorTheReal 3 роки тому +37

      @@simontay4851 "yet"

    • @ethanmachac
      @ethanmachac 3 роки тому +10

      Actually that would be 10 hours if you add recording to and from together.

    • @azzajohnson2123
      @azzajohnson2123 3 роки тому +26

      @@simontay4851 Split it with pkzip and put it across multiple reels :D

  • @Miodowy
    @Miodowy 3 роки тому +169

    Interesting fact about recording data on audio: In Poland in the 1980s, a scout radio broadcast a program with recordings of full games for Commodore64. It was enough to record these noises on an audio cassette. Like first torrent (times before the existence of the Copyright Act).

    • @ThunderspearNZ
      @ThunderspearNZ Рік тому +8

      That's actually so cool !

    • @newuk26
      @newuk26 Рік тому +18

      In the UK the BBC used to have a TV show about computers on in the 1980s. At the end of the show they would always broadcast the audio for a simple computer programme that you could record

    • @andrealves3104
      @andrealves3104 4 місяці тому +2

      Same thing was done here in Brazil during the 80s and early 90s, just with it being MSX softwares and games instead of the C64. ;)

  • @kuramacon
    @kuramacon 3 роки тому +329

    The man's gone off the deep end folks. One day we'll find out he stored his consciousness on 5 records.

    • @TroutButter
      @TroutButter 3 роки тому +26

      And an 8 track!

    • @jimmyboy131
      @jimmyboy131 3 роки тому +38

      "Science could not save my body. My mind, however that was worth saving."
      "I've never felt more alive!"

    • @ItsRawdraft2
      @ItsRawdraft2 3 роки тому +47

      The year is 2120. The 8-bit Guy's great-great-grandson uploads a new video. "Loading LGR from reel-to-reel tapes"

    • @zanite8650
      @zanite8650 3 роки тому +8

      Fallout 5 companion

    • @JohnR436
      @JohnR436 3 роки тому +5

      @@zanite8650 excellent comment

  • @cliftongardner4367
    @cliftongardner4367 3 роки тому +337

    Other tech channels: “Look how fast we can load this game up from this PCI Gen 4 SSD”
    LGR: “Look how slowly we can load this game up from a reel-to-reel tape”
    Yet only one of those videos is actually interesting. Hence, why I’m here.

    • @zach_c
      @zach_c 3 роки тому +2

      umm… why is the ssd using pci? lol

    • @jesusguillen5054
      @jesusguillen5054 3 роки тому +10

      @@zach_c Because you can actually add a controller for SSD through PCI

    • @zach_c
      @zach_c 3 роки тому +2

      @@jesusguillen5054 I didn’t know you could do that and I don’t see why you would want to do that

    • @jesusguillen5054
      @jesusguillen5054 3 роки тому +4

      @@zach_c If you are using a raspberry, as an instance, there is a good chance to add a SSD controller throught the PCIEx1 port in a compute module v4 and expand your memory huge time.

    • @zach_c
      @zach_c 3 роки тому +4

      @@jesusguillen5054 i didn’t realise they had a pciex1 port on them; okay then, that would explain it

  • @DAVIDATDI
    @DAVIDATDI 3 роки тому +1317

    Feels like a techmoan x LGR crossover

    • @awilliams1701
      @awilliams1701 3 роки тому +23

      was thinking the same thing. lol

    • @DrakenKorin619
      @DrakenKorin619 3 роки тому +43

      I legit thought i clicked on a new techmoan vid at first

    • @Drakonpirata
      @Drakonpirata 3 роки тому +22

      Are we sure they aren't the same in some way.. but glad to see this is why the algorithm said if you like LGR your gonna like Techmoan

    • @MUMSUniverse
      @MUMSUniverse 3 роки тому +1

      😊💯

    • @swiftfox3461
      @swiftfox3461 3 роки тому +10

      And they said that Infinity War was the most ambitious crossover ever.

  • @IanNewYashaTheFinalAct
    @IanNewYashaTheFinalAct 3 роки тому +293

    Loading games from reel-to-reel
    Loading games from vinyl
    Loading games from 8-track
    Loading games from hieroglyphics on stone
    Loading games from _hydrogen particles_
    *I don't think we're in **_Kansas City Standard_** anymore, Toto*

    • @nsputnik
      @nsputnik 2 роки тому +14

      You forgot punchcards.

    • @bigdaddydons6241
      @bigdaddydons6241 2 роки тому +15

      Load games from wax cylinders

    • @deejayhandycam
      @deejayhandycam 2 роки тому +8

      load games by playing an instrument in your room

    • @PartyDude_19
      @PartyDude_19 2 роки тому +10

      Loading games from Edison cylinders.

    • @bajusz994
      @bajusz994 2 роки тому +6

      Load games from multiple QR codes hand-carved into stone with a chisel.

  • @JonnyInfinite
    @JonnyInfinite 3 роки тому +77

    Up next: Mario on wax cylinder

  • @TheInvertedHorizon
    @TheInvertedHorizon 3 роки тому +231

    How about: "Loading PC Games by singing or humming the audio signal"

    • @angusmacfrankenstein7227
      @angusmacfrankenstein7227 3 роки тому +14

      Whistling and kazoo, too! Hey, maybe I’ll get as cancelled as Dr. Seuss!

    • @EssenceofPureFlavor
      @EssenceofPureFlavor 3 роки тому +12

      Drrrrrrrr pshhhhhhh zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • @thesinfultictac5704
      @thesinfultictac5704 3 роки тому +7

      @@angusmacfrankenstein7227 The phone freakers used a kazoo

    • @10upstudios
      @10upstudios 3 роки тому +6

      reminds me of that hacker who convinced the court he was held trial by that he could communicate to modems by whistling to launch nukes

    • @TheInvertedHorizon
      @TheInvertedHorizon 3 роки тому +5

      @@10upstudios so, it's basically Yondu but, instead of a flying arrow it's a nuke...?

  • @tbk2010
    @tbk2010 3 роки тому +292

    11:47 - I was fully expecting him to play back a KCS recording of canyon.mid, not an actual audio recording.

  • @FoxerTails
    @FoxerTails 3 роки тому +707

    Eventually we are going to see an LGR Blerb of someone creating this episode to fit onto tape then be decoded back to play on PC.

    • @gluttonousmaximus9048
      @gluttonousmaximus9048 3 роки тому +38

      According to the specs shown on the video the reel-to-reel could hold 230KB of data.
      I re-encoded the canyon.mid playback part of this video in H.264 video (10 FPS, 320x240, 26KB/s) + AAC audio (64KB/s) and the output was a 1.36 MB file. Theoretically you could compress this further and maybe fit more data on that reel but I don't really know how.

    • @FoxerTails
      @FoxerTails 3 роки тому +19

      @@gluttonousmaximus9048 I suppose only time will tell unless you really sit down and brute force it. Going back to the LGR Floppy Disk video on floppy though, even Clint said that video compression algorithms are definitely improving slowly but shortly. So perhaps another year or two from now?
      Who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 3 роки тому +11

      Yea a vhs tape ofcourse.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 роки тому +24

      @@gluttonousmaximus9048 You can easily fit four times as much data on the reel because it's four track tape. Record the first chunk on the left, flip the tape over and use the other half, flip again and use the right, flip a fourth time and use the right.

    • @BonkedByAScout
      @BonkedByAScout 3 роки тому +16

      I could fit it on a tape and play it back. _Pulls out a VHS_

  • @SergioBobillierC
    @SergioBobillierC 3 роки тому +121

    "I don't want to create a ZIP file if I can avoid that" Is kind of ironic, since that was one of the first uses of such files: TAR (Tape ARchive)

    • @closure4791
      @closure4791 3 роки тому +3

      Tar isn't compressed though

    • @CiggyButtBrainnnn
      @CiggyButtBrainnnn 3 роки тому +2

      TAR isn't compressed bud. What are you talking about.

    • @SergioBobillierC
      @SergioBobillierC 3 роки тому +55

      @@CiggyButtBrainnnn Is not about the compression, is about putting many files into a single file. Compression is just nice to have. But the simplest type of such files were initially created in order to be able to store multiple files into tape.

    • @oz_jones
      @oz_jones 3 роки тому +14

      TIL what tars are

    • @LonelySpaceDetective
      @LonelySpaceDetective 3 роки тому +2

      Huh, always thought .tar was named after tar balls.

  • @hblaub
    @hblaub 3 роки тому +64

    "My mom always said tape recorders were like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get. Maybe even some extra byte."

  • @EvilDarkCow
    @EvilDarkCow 3 роки тому +266

    Canyon.mid playing off reel-to-reel might actually be the most LGR thing I've ever seen... err... heard.

    • @burtblando8806
      @burtblando8806 3 роки тому +10

      No, that would be the Duke Nukem 3D theme.

    • @WalterCReel3rd
      @WalterCReel3rd 3 роки тому +12

      Came for the analog to digital shenanigans. Stayed for the canyon.mid

    • @davidgrant5066
      @davidgrant5066 3 роки тому +3

      Doesn’t get any better than this Canyon so 98 ish 😀

    • @azzajohnson2123
      @azzajohnson2123 3 роки тому +1

      @@burtblando8806 MAKIN' BACON!!!! REEEEEEEEEEE, Hail to the KING, BABY!

  • @richhenry8004
    @richhenry8004 3 роки тому +639

    Clint is slowly losing his marbles under a mountain of tech.

    • @MrJC1
      @MrJC1 3 роки тому +15

      And covid...

    • @tremorstudio9766
      @tremorstudio9766 3 роки тому +24

      Easy to lose marbles under a mountain of tech

    • @dreadgrave3379
      @dreadgrave3379 3 роки тому +12

      He's like a college art thesis come to life. Deadly Comics stuff comes to mind.

    • @grootsyt
      @grootsyt 3 роки тому +12

      I'm pretty sure Clint has already lost his marbles and now he's just searching for them under all the tech.

    • @SidebandSamurai
      @SidebandSamurai 3 роки тому

      I think he has died and gone to heaven!

  • @black_platypus
    @black_platypus 3 роки тому +16

    The "stowaway" is probably the BOM (Byte Order Mark) that is an optional indicator of how the bytes are ordered in a given encoding: Most significant first or least significant first (Big Endian/Little Endian)
    Endianness defines whether 0001 or 1000 is bigger, so to speak.

  • @TheStuffMade
    @TheStuffMade 3 роки тому +34

    That's pretty fancy, I store most of my old games on stacks of punch cards.

  • @geraldgutsueii3324
    @geraldgutsueii3324 3 роки тому +462

    the inventor of the cassette tape died today, so covering a tape based thing seems fitting

    • @shukterhousejive
      @shukterhousejive 3 роки тому +199

      Well, dead for now, they still have to flip him back over

    • @chrixtianr8888
      @chrixtianr8888 3 роки тому +47

      Dutch inventor of the cassette tape, Lou Ottens, dies age 94. To be more precise, he died on March 6.

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 3 роки тому +4

      This is not a cassette tape.

    • @chrixtianr8888
      @chrixtianr8888 3 роки тому +20

      @@belstar1128 If you read the main comment carefully it says ¨tape based thing ¨. Also the video is based on a Reel ¨Tape¨.

    • @fishjourney4750
      @fishjourney4750 3 роки тому +9

      @@shukterhousejive I laughed so fucken hard

  • @CB-pf5lb
    @CB-pf5lb 3 роки тому +342

    Someday maybe: _"Loading Doom from a stone tablet"_

    • @juliaboon9741
      @juliaboon9741 3 роки тому +40

      I mean hypothetically you could chizel out doom in its code form and then type it back into a computer. Video games used to come as code you had to hand type into your own computer after all.

    • @fireglo450music
      @fireglo450music 3 роки тому +34

      @@juliaboon9741 or buy (or better yet, program) a visual sensor that can read the 1s and 0s off the stone tablet like a giant CD, like a Farside comic about Cavemen inventing a CD.

    • @safacollective2400
      @safacollective2400 3 роки тому +24

      Hell, I'd pay to see doom run off an IBM punchcard

    • @MQsto
      @MQsto 3 роки тому +6

      Moses did it already.

    • @SkyCharger001
      @SkyCharger001 3 роки тому +7

      @@safacollective2400 punch-roll should be fast enough to provide the demo data

  • @NatesRandomVideo
    @NatesRandomVideo 3 роки тому +33

    Clint effortlessly swaps between saying "daaaah-tuh" and "day-tah" and I can't unhear it now. Lol 😆

  • @Spacemutiny
    @Spacemutiny 3 роки тому +154

    “We’re simply going in raw.” - Clint, LGR

  • @Aragorn7884
    @Aragorn7884 3 роки тому +143

    Good 'ol LGR...always making videos that no one ever asked for, but everyone wants 🤣😇

    • @gregs_music_corner
      @gregs_music_corner 3 роки тому +6

      Very well said!

    • @MyHeadHz
      @MyHeadHz 3 роки тому +4

      That theme seems to have held true throughout his channel. Not that I'm complaining though!

    • @DruidEnjoyer
      @DruidEnjoyer 3 роки тому +1

      10 XD

  • @lfla0179
    @lfla0179 3 роки тому +87

    We can't copy this game! DRM coded!
    -Hold my reel-to-reel.

  • @DarKnightKilla13
    @DarKnightKilla13 3 роки тому +12

    This was so cool! I was just watching a movie on Sunday called "Westworld" from 1973 that had reel-driven computers, mom and I were talking about them since she grew up during that era (and even before them) and I grew up during the Windows 3.1 era. So cool, I LOVE older tech stuff, it fascinates me! Thanks for breaking everything down as well, made me understand it much better!

  • @CarlosLopez-oc9nh
    @CarlosLopez-oc9nh 3 роки тому +13

    Oh boy, you really took me back in time when I had 10 years and was fooling around with my commodore 64 and my datasette.

    • @blazer6248
      @blazer6248 2 роки тому +2

      Same! I remember spilling soda all over grandma's Commodore and she was PISSED! I couldn't play for a couple of hours after that 🤣 I always loved going there as a kid. She always had the newest computer every time we'd go. And we'd usually get the old one to take home with us. First was the Commodore in the early 90s 🤣.
      We had another my mom brought home from work that had the monochrome green & black screen. All I did was learn how to use Lotus 123 on there. It was a spreadsheet program she used at work to do payroll stuff lol. Here I am at like 10 years old and a master at Lotus 123 🤣

  • @Harey0407
    @Harey0407 3 роки тому +68

    This is what I'd expect if Techmoan and LGR did a colab video.

    • @WaluTime
      @WaluTime 3 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/58EitSEFzo8/v-deo.html

    • @nslouka90
      @nslouka90 3 роки тому +1

      Another one?

    • @alexdhall
      @alexdhall 3 роки тому

      Exactly! ⬆️

  • @Knuxfan24
    @Knuxfan24 3 роки тому +158

    Is it bad that I'm curious to see a binary comparison of the two EXEs to see where the stray extra byte ended up?

    • @noahb717
      @noahb717 3 роки тому +45

      I'm 95% sure that it's a NULL byte - i.e. 0x00. If you download the zip file for kcs and open kcs.lst in a text editor and scroll down near the end where it says "\DEFAULTS" - you will see that nullchar is the default - i.e. "nullchar after CR".
      For decoding: KCS -y -u testtape.wav testtape.txt = the options are to ignore errors and cuts mode (1200 baud).
      Also if you look at the kcs.lst more, it looks like it actually writes the null to the wav file. Search for :ENCODE.
      I'm still looking, but I think that the null at the start of the program is actually ignored. I cant find the source code for KCS, and it's not worth my time to decompile it to find out if it's using an actual 0x00 character for null, or if its actually 0x90 (x86 NOP).
      Since I dont have a setup to duplicate this, I'm curious about the extra character as well, and to see if my guess is right.

    • @azzajohnson2123
      @azzajohnson2123 3 роки тому +41

      @@noahb717 I just fucked around with it for a few hours and I can confirm it adds a NO Operation byte. 0x90. Hence no effect. I was hoping to find some sort of cool signature but there just are not enough bits used to represent anything meaningful outside an instruction code. Time in life well spent.

    • @MaxUgly
      @MaxUgly 3 роки тому +10

      @@azzajohnson2123 Seriously, I was really wanting to see this too. If you feel like it was a waste of time I would like to let you know that at least my dumb ape self will sleep better having an answer. Thank you too Noah and Knux.

    • @malcolmdane8819
      @malcolmdane8819 3 роки тому +1

      Can't he just run the diff command or the windows standard. I want to see where it went too.

  • @RetroTechBytes
    @RetroTechBytes 3 роки тому +20

    This is the craziest and coolest concept I’ve seen in quite some time! Thank you for sharing this Clint! Honestly, this is one of the most informative and interesting experiments that I’ve seen as relates to retro tech, and I’m a massive fan of vintage A/V too, so, I’m just geeking out at the moment. That Tandberg is gorgeous!

  • @ElNeroDiablo
    @ElNeroDiablo 3 роки тому +18

    That canyon.mid at the end was so soothing I almost fell asleep to it!

  • @squidud
    @squidud 3 роки тому +142

    This sounds like everything I love combined.

    • @dougsteel7414
      @dougsteel7414 3 роки тому +4

      Including an opportunity for a nice long sleep

  • @mightyfilm
    @mightyfilm 3 роки тому +90

    Just like how The Jetsons thought we'd still be using at this point in time.

    • @Chaos89P
      @Chaos89P 3 роки тому +8

      And now we know it's possible, just not practical.

    • @mightyfilm
      @mightyfilm 3 роки тому +14

      Watching all those old sci-fi and spy movies as well as cartoons parodying them, you kind of have this vision of these large rooms that are all these giant wall to wall computers with large reel to reel sets attached to them, all beeping and blurting with consoles with large levers and glowing buttons. Knowing what we know now, they'd really just be a break room with a broken down vending machine and they'd have like five guys on their phones. Not really impressive or intimidating.

    • @darkprinc979
      @darkprinc979 3 роки тому +2

      @@mightyfilm That's idealism vs. reality right there. There's always a grand vision of the future, but human nature invariably gets in the way.

    • @lajya01
      @lajya01 3 роки тому +3

      Tape cartridges are still used for backups because they're cheap and works fine for sequential access. Reel-to-reel random access like what we saw on those old footage are definitely a thing of the past.

  • @hillestadkringle
    @hillestadkringle 3 роки тому +7

    That tape deck probably cost the same now as it did when it was new. A great piece of vintage hardware.

  • @oubrioko
    @oubrioko 3 роки тому +2

    This is the first time I've been able to smile since the Super Bowl
    Yes... I'm from _Kansas City_

  • @WritingOnGames
    @WritingOnGames 3 роки тому +598

    LGR has truly become the Steve Albini of games.

    • @ManiacalForeigner
      @ManiacalForeigner 3 роки тому +33

      "Songs About Computing" when?

    • @ileutur6863
      @ileutur6863 3 роки тому +26

      @@nettils5555 Melvins, Nirvana, the Jesus Lizard...
      If you've heard good rock, you've heard Albini

    • @tbirddddd
      @tbirddddd 3 роки тому +22

      @@nettils5555 He is a musician/producer. You can look up Big Black, Rapeman, or Shellac for examples of his music. His producer credits are too many to list.

    • @christo930
      @christo930 3 роки тому +10

      PC basic has a MUCH faster load/save tape routine. IIRC, it's like 4800 and not 1200.
      This standard is 7 years older than the PC. It's ridiculous.

    • @vadermasktruth
      @vadermasktruth 3 роки тому +8

      Atomizer and Songs About Fucking are my favorite BIG BLACK albums!

  • @poot111111
    @poot111111 3 роки тому +6

    My brother-in-law is very into old projectors. He blew my mind when he showed me how the audio works in those things. It basically turns light into audio, might make a cool video? It is very old tech, tube technology, which is still used today of course.

    • @GoldSrc_
      @GoldSrc_ 3 роки тому

      It's pretty cool seeing the waveform right next to the picture frame, right?

  • @SustainedFuture
    @SustainedFuture Рік тому +1

    I love the fact that the pirated-looking copy of Kroz has "Legit Disk!" handwritten on it and is signed by Scott Miller (the author).

  • @enricosalerno3621
    @enricosalerno3621 3 роки тому +1

    Lol everything looks like the guy from superman 3 when he was messing up with the computers and the banks servers started to reel the wheels . Amazing vid mate

  • @oafkad
    @oafkad 3 роки тому +59

    This would be the most thematic way to play Control.

    • @chrisfratz
      @chrisfratz 3 роки тому +16

      I didn't even want to think of how much tape you would need to store Control on it

    • @iLiokardo
      @iLiokardo 3 роки тому

      what's that game?

    • @Chaos89P
      @Chaos89P 3 роки тому +1

      @@iLiokardo It's an initially PS4 exclusive game. You collect all sorts of SCP knockoff objects to defeat some interdimensional menace. I've yet to beat it myself, but don't take my blasé description for it, try it yourself.

    • @Bembel81
      @Bembel81 3 роки тому +2

      Control does have Floppy discs. Only modern tech is banned.

  • @MikeDBloke
    @MikeDBloke 3 роки тому +35

    Machines that loaded off cassette tape could load something off anything that can make the necessary sounds.
    About 15 years ago people did load Spectrum games off an MP3 player

    • @JamesWeetman
      @JamesWeetman 3 роки тому +10

      There's an android app to load spectrum games off your phone 😅

    • @OzRetrocomp
      @OzRetrocomp 3 роки тому +2

      I still do! Only now I use my a smartphone and I alternate between my Speccy and my Acorn Electron. 😁

    • @Chaos89P
      @Chaos89P 3 роки тому +4

      I've seen someone use an iPod or some similar device load games into a C64 with an audio file. Heck, I'm pretty sure you can use a discman for that.

    • @MikeDBloke
      @MikeDBloke 3 роки тому +1

      I used to do so, these days SD card interfaces are a thing

    • @darwiniandude
      @darwiniandude 3 роки тому +3

      MP3 and ATRAC (Sony Minidisc) are lossy formats, they're quite bad for this purpose and often fail. As the encode / decode design is such that information human's can't easily hear is masked / thrown away, the resulting file will have data errors. I've had limited success - you really need to stick with WAV/AIFF files, something lossless, sadly. MiniDisc would otherwise be a great way to work with vintage machines instead of tape. Recordable small optical discs.

  • @Just.A.T-Rex
    @Just.A.T-Rex 3 роки тому

    This has mega UA-camr Cathode Ray Dude vibes. We love all our “vintage” tech content creators. Thank you!

  • @andreasklindt7144
    @andreasklindt7144 3 роки тому +1

    This is great! This is the same level of supernerdyness than connecting a floppy disk to a smartphone! I love it!

  • @l67swap1
    @l67swap1 3 роки тому +77

    So that explains why dialup was so slow.. same concept just over a phone line

    • @zoomosis
      @zoomosis 3 роки тому +24

      At 300 baud you could read text faster than it could be sent to you

    • @heavyq
      @heavyq 3 роки тому +15

      @@zoomosis yeah but back in 1991 it was the coolest thing ever.

    • @override7486
      @override7486 3 роки тому +16

      It could go waaaay faster than that. Reel tape at 15 IPS is way overkill as a data storage. Not to mention, using different modulation or some way of encoding the audio stream instead of simple beeps and bloops. You could store several times more data on single side of reel if you wanted to. Cassette tape can do much better than what LGR presented, and regular cassette is much worse than reel to reel format in many aspects.

    • @gianluca.g
      @gianluca.g 3 роки тому +3

      @@override7486 I agree. What do you think is the total bandwidth of that tape?

    • @mysteryguest9555
      @mysteryguest9555 3 роки тому +2

      I miss my US Robotics DX52 modem.

  • @nataliekate2176
    @nataliekate2176 3 роки тому +10

    5:42 “we’re simply going in raw...”’Clint you make me blush 😂☺️ great work as always!! 👍🏼

  • @silvenshadow
    @silvenshadow 3 роки тому +1

    wow. that finale got me right in the feels. Cheers man. Thank you as always for the astounding content.

  • @JerryEricsson
    @JerryEricsson 3 роки тому

    In 1971 I was stationed at a small base a few miles outside of Da Nang Vietnam. We had just moved down from Phu Bi during a reorganization session. When we got there, we found a need for a VHF repeater to reach our troops in the field who could be separated from HQ by some very high hills and, a few mountains in the area. So it was, I was assigned to the team who were allowed into the NSA bunker which lay deep within an underground bunker atop of Monkey Mountain. We took a Jeep from our outfit, through Da Nang and up the mountain, it was a rather uneventful trip as the area was pretty much safe during daylight hours. On the trip I saw what appeared to be tape from a reel to reel however much wider, it had been unrolled alongside the road that lead up to the compound. When we got inside the bunker, I understood what it was. This was my first encounter with a large, room size computer system with racks of reel to reel drives updating data on who knows what. We went through their computer room to the back of the bunker where the radio equipment was housed carrying our two large VHF radios. With the help of a couple tech's from the NSA, we installed our radios and they were hooked to some antenna cables that lead somewhere atop Monkey Mountain, I never did find out where, but after a couple of hours of installation and some testing we found we could not only reach our troops on patrol with their PRC77's but also our sub-unit headquarters radio rooms. It was a great step forward for us, sort of like the 2 meter repeater systems now used by we Ham's across the world.

  • @OhHiiMarc
    @OhHiiMarc 3 роки тому +69

    Todd Howard with Skyrim: *heavy breathing*

  • @gingerman5123
    @gingerman5123 3 роки тому +46

    I have "fond" memories of loading Hunt the Wumpus from cassette on our TI-99 when I was a kid... Clint, have you made a TI-99 video?

    • @ndeclari
      @ndeclari 3 роки тому +2

      He made a TRS-80 CoCo video. I was really hoping he would have saved a file from the Win98 box and tried loading it on the TRS80.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 роки тому +4

      I recall actually loading Ti-99 software in native format from ¼" tape on an old Tandberg deck. The tape was originally recorded from an FM radio broadcast.

    • @LabCat
      @LabCat 3 роки тому +2

      TI-99/4A club! We had Frogger and Centipede on tape!

  • @kato223
    @kato223 3 роки тому +1

    Tandberg tape backups are actually really darn cool to watch! I think it was a 4U 250TB backup unit. The old animation studio I used to work for had one of those backup systems that used fiber as the input. It had a clear window on it and you could actually see the tapes in motion. Soo cool to watch! Great video LGR!

  • @Kilocron
    @Kilocron 3 роки тому

    This is why I love your channel. Loved it. Fascinating stuff.

  • @seoulpurpose
    @seoulpurpose 3 роки тому +32

    Is this a tease for an inevitable Techmoan crossover?

    • @WaluTime
      @WaluTime 3 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/58EitSEFzo8/v-deo.html

  • @himbourbanist
    @himbourbanist 3 роки тому +58

    Next LGR: "Loading PC games from Hieroglyphics!"

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 роки тому +5

      Loading music from Barcodes. Oh wait, Casio did keyboards that would actually do that.

    • @bmhater1283
      @bmhater1283 3 роки тому

      @@MrDuncl But can you do it with actual audio files? Lets find out soon...

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 роки тому

      @@bmhater1283 I think that would require far too much data. The Casio data was more like MIDI data but before any Casio had MIDI.

    • @Popk1ller
      @Popk1ller 3 роки тому

      agyptians used to write messages on real "hard disks" made of concrete

  • @szasstamblr2869
    @szasstamblr2869 3 роки тому +17

    imagine if, when you bought a steam game, they sent you a big ass tape reel

    • @stevethepocket
      @stevethepocket 3 роки тому +5

      I'm still miffed that games aren't stored on Laserdisc-sized discs with suitably epic cover art.

    • @Colt45hatchback
      @Colt45hatchback 2 роки тому

      Might as well with the internet connection speeds ive been getting recently haha

    • @meowmocha12
      @meowmocha12 21 день тому +1

      Imagine loading modern games on tape. You might die of old age first.

  • @FPVMike
    @FPVMike 3 роки тому

    mate these vids are so good! the way you edit and narrate them to sooo satisfying and i freaking love it. please keep going!

  • @MelsvanWees
    @MelsvanWees 3 роки тому +10

    Saw that title popping up and was sold within less than a milli second... impressive!

  • @chubbycatfish4573
    @chubbycatfish4573 3 роки тому +11

    I somehow find this more fascinating than modern tech.

  • @BearMeat4Dinner
    @BearMeat4Dinner Рік тому

    After having my data center blacking out like in 2002. All the back ups we did back ups to the DLY tapes and incrementals and all the other back ups had to be returned to us from our offsite storage. Fun times in the NW burbs of Chicago on a bad rainy stormy night. Great video! Reminded me of that night!

  • @jon9247
    @jon9247 3 роки тому

    LGR's voice echoes through my head everytime when i mess with older pc hardware like my 2005 lenovo desktop with an Athlon x2 5400 and 2gb ddr2 ram. Still want a nice 1999-2000 era beast like the one made in one his older vid.

  • @startedtech
    @startedtech 3 роки тому +9

    1:35 I've lived in Kansas City my whole life and never knew that was a thing.

  • @firewalker1372
    @firewalker1372 3 роки тому +15

    I feel like Techmoan would approve of this 😂 😂.

  • @jackfroste
    @jackfroste 3 роки тому +1

    Loved the video Clint. The internet was created exactly for this reason: to show us things that ARE possible even though they may not be practical.

    • @jackfroste
      @jackfroste 3 роки тому +1

      Reminds of you showing us how to use a 3.5 floppy on a modern smart phone.

  • @insertnamehere4921
    @insertnamehere4921 3 роки тому

    You never cease to surprise me with someone new and intriguing! Your content is extremely mesmerizing. Thanks you saucy little boy! :)

  • @MB-bt9km
    @MB-bt9km 3 роки тому +6

    this is some Disco Elysium "radio computer" stuff, and I'm HERE FOR IT

  • @wiifitt
    @wiifitt 3 роки тому +15

    I'm confused as to why this video isn't titled "Clint has finally gone off the deep end"

  • @Dillinger86
    @Dillinger86 3 роки тому

    When I was a kid we got a reel to reel tape from a garage sale, this was in 1970 something, it so fun to record different tracks and mash them up together.

  • @aaronking1043
    @aaronking1043 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for your videos, and for your passion. I learn something new from you all the time.

  • @ratmadness4858
    @ratmadness4858 3 роки тому +3

    takes me back to the good old days. loading SubLogic FS-1 from cassette to a TRS-80. the volume control had to be set just right or it wouldn't load.

  • @amras94
    @amras94 3 роки тому +10

    No one, absolutely no one:
    LGR: Reel to Reel Tape game loading!
    Neat

    • @poble
      @poble 3 роки тому +1

      please stop with the “no one” thing, it’s not funny anymore

    • @bcafed
      @bcafed 3 роки тому

      @@poble was it ever?

    • @mar_katje
      @mar_katje 3 роки тому

      @@poble why is it not funny?

    • @poble
      @poble 3 роки тому

      @@bcafed come think of it, yeah, it was never funny lol

    • @poble
      @poble 3 роки тому +1

      @@mar_katje because it’s overused and unoriginal

  • @Norbert_the_beaver
    @Norbert_the_beaver 3 роки тому

    I was waiting for it for a long time! Thank you very much for such experiment!

  • @blinddog1212
    @blinddog1212 2 роки тому +2

    Love this LGR oddity thing! R2R always reminds me of my dad who owns a recording studio. As a kid, I'd stare at those reels hypnotically. Best outro ever for a video, too!

  • @Aragorn7884
    @Aragorn7884 3 роки тому +69

    Does the reel reveal secrets when played _backwards_ though? 😏

    • @suborbitalprocess
      @suborbitalprocess 3 роки тому +10

      If audio played backwards contains satanic messages, data reels played backwards just run Doom. Edit: ffs, this is what I get for commenting before watching the video. What happens when he plays Doom backwards on a reel?

    • @shibomi1
      @shibomi1 3 роки тому +7

      j̸̧̨̮̭̗͇͕̙̱̖̊͊͋̆̾͛̕͘̕͜ơ̴̞̪̱̘̍͗̇̾̈́̀͂͗̃͒͘͝i̶͎͙̽̔̉́̽̎ṇ̶̉͒͋͌͐̕ ̵̙̠̣͍͐͊̽̓̈́́͝t̴̤̖͚̬̟̼̿͜ȟ̷̨͕̟̽̅é̷̛̞̲̳͖̲̩̝͌͛̀̊̏͆̍͠ ̷̧̱̙̈n̷̳͇̪̂̋͒͌̾͊́a̷̢̯͖̲͔̲͓̔͛̎̋̇͂͋̉́̈́̾̕͘v̷̲͚͚̫̻͒͂y̴̢͓̓̓̆̐͆̈̄̉̏̓̋̽̋͠

    • @PolarManne
      @PolarManne 3 роки тому +1

      @@suborbitalprocess The Icon of Sin gets replaced by John Romero

    • @adammorrison9705
      @adammorrison9705 3 роки тому

      Woz is a dead man
      Miss him miss him

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL 3 роки тому

      Sadly no.
      Like if you play Moob.You're a marine that spew out demons.

  • @TomBudin
    @TomBudin 3 роки тому +3

    12:00 - 14:00 someone should make a 10 hour nostalgia video of it on loop that screensaver is iconic

  • @VariousVariety
    @VariousVariety 3 роки тому

    This is great, learnt so much new stuff from this I didn't know before. Thanks, LGR!

  • @MarshallRawR
    @MarshallRawR 3 роки тому +1

    God your videos are so good. I mean the content is amazing but can we also just mention the amazing b-roll and editing? Everything is so smooth and progressional. Keep going my dude

  • @d2factotum
    @d2factotum 3 роки тому +19

    I'd be interested to see this experiment carried out using the built-in cassette interface on the original IBM 5150 or PCJr...

    • @jacksong6226
      @jacksong6226 3 роки тому +7

      I have been doing this with apple IIs for years heck reel to reel was used back in the Altair 8800 days because the frequency range wasnt to great on most cassette recorders

    • @andreasklindt7144
      @andreasklindt7144 3 роки тому +3

      Sounds like something for The 8-Bit Guy. :D

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 3 роки тому +2

      The original IBM interface _should_ be faster (because IBM literally clocked it faster), but only those two machines had all the hardware, so Clint would need to build an ISA card & solder in a tap to the PC speaker/buzzer (which is actually where the outgoing signal originated!).

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 роки тому

      @@jacksong6226 While reel to reel should be far better, with cassette recorders it always seemed that the cheap shoebox recorders worked best. Good bass response or noise reduction is is no advantage at all with computer tapes.

  • @reidguthrie
    @reidguthrie 3 роки тому +4

    Someone gave me a reel-to-reel player about 25 years ago. I had no idea what to do with it, so I got rid of it. If only I had known then what I learned today. 🙂

  • @brandonpetroski6663
    @brandonpetroski6663 3 роки тому

    God damn, this is why I love this channel. How ridiculous can we go? Can we load from a phonograph cylinder? Big ass roll of punch reel?

  • @lukeisafinename
    @lukeisafinename 3 роки тому +1

    Ayyyeee, nice Kroz disk! Scott Miller coming in clutch with that signature

    • @LGR
      @LGR  3 роки тому

      What an awesome evening that was.

  • @theretromillennial
    @theretromillennial 3 роки тому +3

    This was really cool. Also, I love that monitor stand.

  • @richhansenclan
    @richhansenclan 3 роки тому +7

    "Farts and balls" (4:15). LGR's way of saying "let's do this"!! :)

  • @Ravenlock
    @Ravenlock 3 роки тому

    I absolutely love this. canyon.mid at the end is a perfect closer to it. Bravo.

  • @xXBocephusXx
    @xXBocephusXx 3 роки тому

    Oh man, i really dig these videos combining vintage audio gear and PC tech. Some of my favorite stuff!

  • @kylerobinson6537
    @kylerobinson6537 3 роки тому +9

    They were so pre occupied with whether or not they could, they never stopped to think if they should... 😂

  • @resonance01
    @resonance01 3 роки тому +32

    "Science isn't about why, its about why not?!" - Cave Johnson

  • @wilkiewilk
    @wilkiewilk 3 роки тому +1

    That signed Kroz disk. I've never been more jealous of something the majority of people could care less about!!!

  • @clementpoon120
    @clementpoon120 3 роки тому +48

    fact: tape drives are still used, and are ridiculously sized and expensive.

    • @ItsRawdraft2
      @ItsRawdraft2 3 роки тому +5

      Yep. Tapes can survive anything!

    • @namesurname4666
      @namesurname4666 3 роки тому

      @@ItsRawdraft2 tapes can survive,drives and decks not

    • @ItsRawdraft2
      @ItsRawdraft2 3 роки тому

      @@namesurname4666 Depends. Storage-spec drives can work for ridiculously long times and have massive service lives. One Google search away my guy

    • @radeklew1
      @radeklew1 3 роки тому +13

      Expensive maybe, but not ridiculously so if you need mass archival storage. An IBM LTO8 tape costs $95 and can hold 30TB compressed, which is less than $4/TB.
      Even factoring in a $4000 tape drive, 1 PB of archival storage would be $7230, or $7.23/TB. At that scale, nothing can compete with the price. The cheapest, biggest WD/Seagate/Toshiba HDDs are $24/TB, four times more, and they're probably not rated for super long-term storage.

    • @namesurname4666
      @namesurname4666 3 роки тому

      @@radeklew1 but drives cost a lot and not ideal at all for home, also accessing data should be slower like fast forwarding and rewind

  • @spicyginger1203
    @spicyginger1203 3 роки тому +3

    As a person from Kansas City, MO. The world should definitely held to the Kansas city standard. Lol

    • @spicyginger1203
      @spicyginger1203 3 роки тому

      @Wesley Swafford... the amount of times..

    • @wohlhabendermanager
      @wohlhabendermanager 3 роки тому +1

      I thought the Kansas City Shuffle was more or less the "Kansas City standard".

    • @poptat1
      @poptat1 3 роки тому

      Kansas city standard should be a tech n9ne mac leather song

  • @crystalhastings4455
    @crystalhastings4455 3 роки тому

    Absolutely love the midi! Very chill!

  •  3 роки тому

    Love this kind of stuff! This is PURE LGR: Clint having all sorts of fun and taking us along for his shenanigans.

  • @CustomsByOrangeH
    @CustomsByOrangeH 3 роки тому +4

    Ah, Kansas City Standard, my least favorite jazz band. I bought one of their albums on cassette... It was all noise!

  • @mathewlwfleming
    @mathewlwfleming 3 роки тому +17

    Is this for reel?

  • @Hallkardia
    @Hallkardia 3 роки тому

    You're simply amazing, Clint! Keep on!

  • @AndersNielsenAA
    @AndersNielsenAA 2 роки тому

    So here I am because I almost have a KCS > 6502 interface ready.. and then you surprise me with a MIDI I haven’t heard for at least 20 years XD Fantastic feeling - thank you!

  • @Kosackk
    @Kosackk 3 роки тому +10

    Those PC speakers you got there are just so fucking typical for that time! Even i had the exact ones here in Sweden at that time!

  • @BillyRiecke
    @BillyRiecke 3 роки тому +3

    The ending portion of this video is giving off some real Techmoan vibes.

  • @ideitbawxproductions1880
    @ideitbawxproductions1880 2 роки тому

    that was actually really cool! I always wondered how old computer systems used tape to run programs... now I know, and got the most ridiculous demo of the concept to show how it works! thank you, Clint, for going above and beyond to do something so absurd

  • @birdbrain4445
    @birdbrain4445 Рік тому +1

    Amazing video, lol. Also that particular rendition of Canyon.MID sounds *pristine*, my god. Makes sense given the equipment but, man.

  • @Space_Reptile
    @Space_Reptile 3 роки тому +4

    "nobody would bother wasting reel to reel for data"
    *IBM MAINFAMES FURIUSLY TYPING*

    • @jacksong6226
      @jacksong6226 3 роки тому

      Fun fact those actually Used vacuum sealed tapes and the tape would fall to the floor to creat slack so that if it had an error it could back up the tape without snapping it

    • @Space_Reptile
      @Space_Reptile 3 роки тому

      @@jacksong6226 yea its actually quite interesting to see, they have quite alot of slack on either reel side so they can run some crazy speeds on the tape w/o shredding it, its not just for error correction but fast seeks/start and stops

  • @Animalmother80
    @Animalmother80 3 роки тому +4

    And these reels go like "I like to move it, move it!"
    Greetings from Germany

  • @Fr331995
    @Fr331995 3 роки тому

    Loved this video. Keep truckin as always

  • @RosePhoto1
    @RosePhoto1 3 роки тому

    Great concept! Thoroughly enjoyed.

  • @PowerInOne22
    @PowerInOne22 3 роки тому +12

    Well, that explains those spinney things in Willy Wonka...