Sorry if my voice sounds a little grainy, this is literally a brand new mic (rode wireless go II) since the last one broke again, RODE doesn't really know how to make a reliable MIC and it looks like this brand new unit has some issues. I'll probably send it back and get another one but the next 4 videos all use this mic but hey, I've never been known for my audio/video quality but this is a little below my own standards. And for those that keep asking about the Heco Celan it's like this: Celan is still badass, just not on the same level, treble is more forward on the celan, mids are a little warmer, bass is a little less controlled and soundstage is a little smaller but for half the price of the R3 Meta the Celan is still crazy good and easily the best speaker under $1500 in my book.
@@NemoPropaganda I find Rythmik SUBs to be perfect combo for KEF as those are as controlled while going low and much flatter through out the range. And not breaking the bank like REL higher end offerings. Harbottle SUBs being something new that I got introduced to. Will have to see how that performs and matches KEF speakers.
@@NemoPropaganda Yes the depth of field and enveloping effect that KEF creates is what got me into a tight fix. I am working on a project for my uncle to get his "DEDICATED HOME THEATER" setup but am struggling with the selection of speakers. Reason is that he has KEF Reference + R Meta Setup for his "LIVING ROOM" which will be 9.8.6 Setup(Yes that is crazy for Living room setup but it is what it is). So considering that I am not sure what can give him more enveloping effect and depth of field while having more dynamics than KEF Reference Meta speakers. I think I need to up the channel count like crazy but that gonna take up the budget much higher than what we planned to. So yeah am in a tough situation.
@@KING_DRANZER I'm not a big HT guy but with that many speakers I know dialing in the timing of everything is really important. As long as you can get that done I'm sure it'll sound incredible.
@@NemoPropaganda No that KEF setup is for his Living Room. I am not sure what hist HT gonna be. But yeah. Possibly 32ch setup. But yes needs a lot of tweaking to get it going. But will also depend on speakers I end up with. Which is the hardest stuff to decide on.
This one feels long overdue, but I'm actually glad this review came later. Your process, approach, & technique is at an all time high, thanks to the many years of trained listening and content creation. Your controlled, refined, and smooth presentation is peak delivery, providing insight that's really unique and right on the nose. I really enjoyed this one
Thanks for the video. I auditioned these in my listening room in a 2.2 channel music setup and they were very good. As good if not better that’s the B&Ws 705 S3 which cost quite a bit more. Mated to their matching stands they are very stable and the matching blue colors look amazing. The enamel finish is brilliant but fragile. I had to return the 1st pair I received in the mail because there was a chip in the enamel in the corner of one speaker. Peace, love and music!
Great advice about speaker purchase vs. Amp/AVR. Awesome review as usual Nemo. These KEFs look like their build quality is clearly world class, surprised about the strong bass. I look forward to comparing them with my Focal 906s one day. My vote is keep the galaxy on the OLED- chill AF.
Aria 906 are great speakers, little more forward in the treble, cooler in the mids, and a lot less bass, overall Aria is a thinner/cooler sound but does a little better at low volumes.
Just to be clear I generally don't recommend that, it's just this little RSL iA255.1 amp is very good and very cheap. Generally I suggest prioritizing amplification first.
Great review. I had considered these for a 2nd setup to get some contrast from my S400MK2, but ended up going for the LS50metas instead because of budget and the more compact form factor. Seems like a good, well-balanced versatile option.
The information on the pairings / comparisons is extremely helpful in giving me a sense of how the R3 would sound in my system or what I would need to change in my system to have the quality of sound that I enjoy. A very complete review - loved the format of the review. I’m a first time viewer of Nemo. I will subscribe and also look at earlier content. Thank you!
Once again, great review. And once again, I wish I had the room to put a pair of these. I love the blue color on them. I have the LS50 meta for now with the KC62. So I probably should shut up and not complain. Thanks for all you do.
Anecdotally, I follow the KEF forum on reddit and these R3 Metas and their non-meta predecessors are by far the most discussed speakers. Most commenters prefer them to the LS50 Metas, usually unqualified but I suspect because a lot of listeners have a mixed HT-music setup and value the separate bass driver/higher bass output/higher overall output that can also fill out a larger room. For mixed use, I think the Emotiva TA2 with the HT bypass or something like it makes a LOT of sense for these speakers at this price point. Right now I use the T9x and LS50W2 for a mixed use setup and have zero complaints - the slight warmth of the REL balances out the analytical W2 so well and provides that tactile, realistic bass that puts you on set - but if/when the W2 motherboard dies I may look into the R3 Meta-Emotiva TA2 combo as an alternative. Thanks as always for your review.
I just purchased a pair of R3 Metas and I will just say WOW! My daily drivers are Magnepan 3.7i's and while they are amazing speakers there is something special about the R3's. Images as you say. I wanted to buy a pair of bookies for the imaging and sound staging they provide. I was torn between the S400's and R3's. I am confidant I made the right choice although I have not heard the Buchardts.. I am basing this off of your current and past reviews. I also own a pair of CSS 1TDX's with bass modules and they are great speaker, warmer, less transparent and imaging is great but the R3's are close to magical. I pair the R3's, and the Maggies, with a pair of REL T7X's, again, in part, based on your reviews. Love your style, descriptions and what I perceive as honest reviews.
I think you made the right choice, if you already own 1TDX then S400 would have felt redundant. They're not identical per se but similar enough that you don't want to own both IMO. As far as honesty, yeah, this whole channel is just for fun so there is no benefit to anyone if its all BS exaggerations :)
Cosmic landscape. Hopefully, someone out there is looking in our direction and wondering. Thanks for another well done video. Love the comparisons because they offer a frame of reference.
Just got my non meta R3's set up in a system and I'm loving them. Got them on clearance for $1300 and I couldn't be happier. I know people say the meta's are better but I've also heard a little EQ makes them sound very similar and I do use a 6 band Schiit EQ.
Love this review - very informative (and also aligns with my personal experiences). I had the LS50 Meta for a while, but they just never wowed me. They imaged like nobody's business but sound-wise I found myself never being thoroughly impressed. About 5 or so weeks ago, I traded them on on a pair of R3 Meta and wow - they were the missing link. Just so perfectly dynamic - with plenty of bass for me. Incredible imaging and the midrange was so incredibly satisfying to hear. Initially I had them (and the former LS50 Metas) with the NAD M10 V2. While that was a great integrated amp (with a great display), it felt underpowered to me. I decided to go separates: got a Bluesound Node X and NAD C268. I took a shot in the dark that 80wpc as a dedicated amp would do the R3's better service. And incredibly, it did! It now gets plenty loud for my space, and i'm just blown away daily at how authoritative a dedicated 80 wpc NAD amp can sound. If i ever move into a larger space, I'm contemplating getting a 2nd C268 to use as dual mono blocks but for now, i'm more than satisfied. 👍
love the video and the tv moving image 👍🏻 I heard many good things about the R3 meta i've demoed the Kef R500 floorstanders around 7 years ago and was very impressed i've no doubt these are top sounding speakers also🙏🏻
Hey! Great review, thanks! We can find pictures of the product ourselves, so there's no need to project them on the TV. And the abstract background is nice, I vote to keep that!
Oh my god, great accurate review that most don’t get to! Please try to get to the bigger brother, the Ref 1 Meta. Good stuff keep up being real. Peace.
I had the R3 Meta and loved them, during the trial period I decided to swap them for the R2 Meta for LCR. They are great, and have an almost tower like presence with the bonus of more flexible placement. I went with the KC62 sub.
Good to see a new great review from you 👊🏼. Really intrigued by the R3s. Looking forward to your review of the Evoke 20s. Guessing something like your kinki pre and power is just what the evoke needs✌🏼
Brilliant review. You need get your hands on the Buchardt A10, all wood construction, look fantastic, and go toe to toe against much more expensive setups (dynaudio heritage + Hegel h390!). My guess is they'll tick a lot of boxes for you
I do have a question though. These are 4 ohm nominal right? (3.2 min). I have a Denon AVRX6700H which is "4ohm stable" but need to put it in a "4 ohm mode". You are saying it works well with cheap amps so this Denon should be ok right for LCR Metas right? Is that cheap REL 4 ohm stable? @@NemoPropaganda
Hey my last post disappeared.... Thats weird... Anyway in your video you say these are good bass speakers, but I am not getting much bass AT ALL. I was wondering how long you broke them in for? Or if an AVR is ok for these. Im using Denon avrx6700 as i said in my post that vanished... You think its underpowered maybe? Or will they loosen up over time?
@@Jusstisse the bass improved on mine over a period of about 50 hours, at first they were fairly well behaved and then around 50 hours I started to get more and more extension and force. As far as AVR's well... you may not like my answer but I feel any AVR is never the best fit for hifi, they are great as a processor for home theater but a lot of them seem to cut off the bass even if you set your speakers to large, even if you set them in "pure direct" mode or whatever they call it, there is always some kind of processing going on behind the scenes that rob the speaker of its full potential.
glad you enjoy it my bro! Personally I feel tech specs and measurements are fun to look at but don't really help much. Hell I think sometimes they make it worse as people just obsess over more stuff.
I looked up the Buchart and it didn't have a center channel or anything else. I'm kinda liking the Kef more because it does. Thank you for your great review 👍😎
Would love to see you talk about the R11 meta! Also, consider hooking up your laptop to the tv (if it isn’t already) get “Wallpaper engine” and find cool animated wallpapers to display!
Very thorough review and my god these speaker cabinets look great. I’ve been eying these in blue with the matching stands about $2800 all in since ZF’s review dropped. I’ve been shopping for a used set of harbeth 30.2x d’s for some time without luck so perhaps time to move on to these. I was also hoping the klh model 7s would drop before I spent my budget but that doesn’t sound imminent.
I'm guessing the R3 Meta's outclass the Celan 3's otherwise he would have brought them up I think. From other reviewers I've heard that the R3's need a bit a volume to shine whereas the Celan's sound good at lower volumes. Nemo, weigh in good sir!
The Celans are insanely good at their price, soundstage is a little smaller than the R3 Meta and the Celan is a little more sparkly & forward in the treble. R3 Meta is slightly more refined overall.
You should be fine with static images on an OLED if the brightness isnt very high, not displayed for more than an hour, etc. However, OLED technology has come a long way and theres less to worry about in terms of burn in (permanent screen retention, not to be confused with short term retention). RTings are currently doing an extreme test with many OLEDs, multiple thousands of hours do begin to show burn in but its not always severe. And if you do experience permanent burn in, you can activate the screen refresh mode if your TV has it. So technically there is more risk for burn in compared to LCD, but with just a little bit of care i highly doubt you will experience burn in for at least a few years. I actually did a decent amount of HDR (really bright) gaming on the living room Sony A80CJ (i hope thats the model) and theres not a hint of burn in. Your mileage may vary.
oh my bro it's not up to me, i would totally risk it and display a static image, the darn TV won't let me :/, it goes into screen saver mode after 5 minutes and you can't disable that function even from the service menu.
@@NemoPropaganda That's just stupid... Anyways, the next best thing is to take screenshots, mash them together in a video editing software (like davinci resolve or shotcut) to then make it a looping video. This can be very useful for showing off angles on a device like inputs, outputs, specs, etc. But I think a good number of people will prefer the space themed background because it looks pretty.
I had a chance to listen to these and they sound really good! They look very special in person as well. But I'll stick with my Focal chora 806 speakers 😊 The Chora sound so dynamic and detailed they are perfect for my home theater. But if I was more music focused I would say the Kef is a great choice. What's your thought? Since you may still remember the Chora.
The Chora 806 is great for what you're using it for, the R3 would still be an upgrade in alot of ways but we all have to draw the line somewhere and call it all good enough at some point.
My brother has the normal r3 they sound amazing with the right amp especially bass quality. I'm a kef fan since my other brother bought the q35 about 20 years ago and I've owned the q950 myself
I really dig the looks of these KEFs -- especially the white ones and the woodgrain ones with the golden drivers. You mention the LS-50 (Meta) but the straight-edged cabinets of these R3s are shaped/sized more like the less expensive Q350s. I sometimes switch between those and some Monitor Audio Silver 100 7Gs (which don't need a subwoofer in my room), but I have used a sub with the Q350s. (I listen mostly to acoustic jazz, so EDM-level bass doesn't figure into it.) Other than the woofer, I wonder how the R3s sound would compare to the Q350s. I don't suppose you've had the chance to make that comparison, but I thought I'd bring up the similarities anyway...
My suggestion. Buy these and a pair of Fosi V3 Mono amps with the 48v 10 amp power supply. Cost is $260 for the pair. Also buy the Topping D 50 Mk 3 which is a two channel DAC preamp with balanced outs, and a 10 band PEQ. Costs $230. For $490 plus your laptop, plus these, you will have a true high end system. Also SVS OG SB 1000 and SB 2000 have subs which have both a high and low pass filters, passive on the high end and active on the low pass. The OG SB 2000's are discontinued but still available in SVS warehouse sales and go for around $500-600 ea which is a complete steal. So a smart shopped, for around $3000-3500 can have a complete end game system which looks good, plays dynamically and coherently with superb imaging.
Great review! Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on R3 Meta vs Kanta #1 comparison. Kantas are on sale right now in my local shop for a roughly the same price.
Kanta is technically the better but tonally they are different. R3 Meta is slightly warmer in the mids and has much stronger bass despite its smaller size. Kanta is the more analytical sound overall offerring up more detail and detail that is pushed forward. If you enjoy all the way analytical go for the Kanta, if you prefer some warmth and stronger bass go for the R3 meta.
Viewed 2/25/24... Great audio review video... Great info!! 🎉🎉👏👏💯💯 Also, 👍👍 for galaxy backdrop... cool 😎... keep it (or rotate with beautiful ocean, mountain views)!! My question is hopefully not too much apple vs orange?? 🤔🤔 Currently have Parasound A21+ with KEF R300. Have all upstream components upgraded. Next step will be speaker wire plus amp or speaker. Was thinking Parasound JC5 or Reference 1... can't do both! Or do you think the A21+ would be an "unworthy 😊" match for the Reference 1... or same idea the JC5 would be an "unworthy 😊" match for the older KEF R300s? Would best bang for buck, best sound result, be to go to R3 Meta thus saving some money and getting the improved speaker technology? Hopefully I wasn't long winded 😂. Thank you for time and any recommendations!!
Personally i wouldn’t pair a kef R speaker with a warmer sounding amp. Hated my Kef / Denon pma combo. That said, on a budget level, the Wiim amp also pairs very well and integrates a streamer and reasonable dac at the same time. Cheers, great review!
Hi Nemo! Great review 😎 I'm surprised that you heard lots of bass since this speaker have a bass shelf. The -3db point is 77hz. Did you place the speakers near a wall when testing? Thx 😊
Where are you getting 77hz from? KEF's spec is 38hz at -6dB and that was pretty inline with my experience. I know the LS50 Meta with it's single 5" driver does about 75hz, are you perhaps mixing up the two? Speakers were 34" front baffle to rear wall so I'd say I have my speakers are pulled out a good amount. I just had another guy comment that he had to send the R3 Meta back because it had too much bass in his room (i suggested he use tone controls to lower the bass).
It was a genuine question after I saw the R3 meta spinorama measurements. We see the bass shelf design in the response. From what I understand, in your test, the back of the speakers were about 21 inches from the wall. That seems to be close enough to have good bass. Which is good news! I was asking because I usually like a midbass bump (80-100hz) and afraid the R3 Meta won't have enough bass to my taste... Thank you
Very good review nemo, thank you! I have a question. How would you compare the Meta R3 with the Dynadio Special 40? Thanks my friend. I love your content
Honestly bro my memory is normally pretty good but the Special 40 was so similar to the S400 MK2 (to my ears at least) that I find it difficult to recall what it's own sound signature was. All I can remember was it sounded good and very similar to the S400 MK2.
I'm Going Back And Forth With Either UPGRADING To Arendal Speakers Or The New Svs Speakers That Just Dropped??? But The Built QUALITY Alone On The KEFS, And Maybe Arendal Speakers, Are Eye Popping Already! What's So U ????
just subscribed, great review, I had the kef wireless II die on me so I am looking at these and the ls50 metas for my tv setup. I have been looking for something with hdmi arc to drive them and your discussion on the cheap amp is kind of pushing me towards the wiim amp. I was looking at the new arcam a15 or a25 to run these but the lack of HDMI ARC kills it. I would love to see a review of the Wiim amp vs wiim pro setups with some higher end speakers and what you would consider the best setup for $$.
welcome aboard, I have just the video for you! Buy whatever amp you want, HDMI ARC is easy to add, see here: ua-cam.com/video/LsOR37pF0FI/v-deo.htmlsi=moXZkrzP0FA2qoLg
Good review. Wondering...how well does the R3 open up at low volume? I live in an apartment and mostly like to listen at lower volumes. Sometimes wish I had a vintage amp with loudness button.
Others have commented that the Kef speakers, in general, are great speakers for low volume listening. Their lower efficiency helps with that along with their extended treble. With that in mind, what model you choose will depend upon how much bass you believe you can get away with without being evicted. Good luck.
Not sure for R3 meta but my experience with r300 is that to get the right dinamics you need to pushe then almost to mid volume not like low volume is bad but at least for me the bad is not there at low volume...
@@Artemis_Prix I wait until my downstairs neighbors are out to crank the volume. To me music without warmth and bass isn't involving. Loudness button, Fletcher Munson curve , etc
I heard that S400MK2 can be much closer to a wall than R3. I generally prefer a more rich, organic tone, so I think I would like S400 more. The bass of S400 also seems better, down to 33Hz(-3dB), where R3 only hits 38Hz(-6dB).
Great review. I had the original S400 a few years ago along with a few other back firing bass port. The R3 meta are the first to not be a good fit in my small living room. I get way too much boomy bass. I’ve had these here for about 15 days and I’m returning them tomorrow. Mids and highs are fantastic-best I’ve had so far even my wife says they are really good, except for the boomy bass.
@@NemoPropaganda I have them pulled out 16in from the wall I pull them out a little more but then it’s near field session 😂…I was playing Beyoncé and the foam bungs shot out the back …I’ll try tone control.
@@Jusstisseyea 16in away from front wall is not enough room for the R3 metas to shine. I’m stuck with front firing ports or sealed enclosure. KLH worked best in my room. Just wished they had the top end and mid of the R3 meta. Foam bungs shot out when playing Beyoncé ‘s new album. Bass monster 😂
actually studies have shown that if you are 2x the size of the port away from the back wall. there’s no difference in sound from that distance or even more distance out. use tone controls or eq if u need too.
Interesting. I agree that I though they struck a good balance, but I thought they were slightly leaning to the analytical side. They pushed it right up to the edge, and I may have preferred it slightly warmer sounding. Just preference I suppose. Nothing like putting a real instrument in the room and playing along, or singing along and comparing. Most speakers sound too dry and analytical compared to the real thing to my ears. I really notice when my friend comes over and plays the piano. It's so much richer and fuller than most speakers. Never a hint of sounding analytical. I'm happy to say my system is currently matching the piano surprisingly well, allowing me to play along without the stereo sounding relatively pathetic.
I could see them sounding like that depending on amp pairing. Getting a stereo to sound like a real instrument is a serious challenge, if you were able to come close at all my hats off to you!
@@NemoPropaganda I'm a DIY speaker builder and have some big horns, with a total of eight 18" drivers loaded into 6' folded bass horns placed in the corners, along with mid and tweeter horns. It's over the top, and it doesn't automatically work. This setup has active crossovers and is efficient enough that the amp pairing isn't as critical. I just use a 7.1 AVR to power all the drivers. They key to getting good sound out of it is messing with crossover settings and EQ, and trying different horn flares until something works. It's tricky because I don't have anechoic measurements to start with, so I'm trying to EQ the speaker and the room at the same time. Listening to well regarded speakers such as these for comparison is very helpful, and encouraging because going through all this DIY effort really does have some advantages to my ears, despite the measurable faults. I don't regret it, although I doubt I'll ever find the energy to do it again.
what stands and height as well as speaker placement relative to walls and toe in did you settle on? thx. great review. i am really down to the buchardt mk 2 and this kef r3 meta. your reviews of these have been an immense help!!
Great review as usual, thanks! I am curious as to how does their sound signature compare to your current reference, the Platimon. Of course, at 3X the price, they should be on another level in terms of resolution, but would like to know your opinion on the general characteristics.
They are on another level. But you may want to listen to Erin's Audio Corner comparison of the R3 Meta vs. Reference 1 Meta which are 4x the price. Interesting comparison, and will give you a hint of what you're seeking. Remember, despite the cosmic background, Nemo is at our level, not the upper echelon. Hope that's helpful.
The biggest difference IMO between blue collar stuff like speakers up to $3k and stuff that's closer to $10k is refinement, micro detail, and the sepparation and space between everything. Platimon is in a different category but it is 3x the price. If someones hobby stops at the R3 Meta you're still getting crazy good sound.
Great review as allways! Maybe you will find some time for a little bit more cheaper speakers like the Q Aucustics 3030i or the Mission LX3-MKii, would love to hear your opinion!
I tried to review Mission but their contract terms were not agreeable. I suggested some changes but they would not reply after that so no luck. I have reviewed the newer Q acoustics 5010, you can see it here: ua-cam.com/video/se4mzOIjoAQ/v-deo.htmlsi=eaGGRLtXg9eyD8SM
Understandable, if Mission is not willing, they should keep it. Yeah I saw that allready, but they a bit more pricy and I belive the 5" woofer has not as much kick as the 6" in the 3030i, sound should differ a good bit. The 3030i delivers outstanding sound for the money!
Thinking of rolling my SVS Ultra home theater and Special 40/Hegel/REL into one. Do you think KEF R Meta line (R3 or R7) could be a happy mix of what im looking for? Started noticing cabinet resonance and bloom. R3 Meta sounds like that happy musical and analytical that would be a good all arounder.
Yeah I think so, try and get a demo first to be on the safe side, it's a popular speaker so you should be able to find a retailer that has them on display.
Celan is still badass, just not on the same level, treble is more forward on the celan, mids are a little warmer, bass is a little less controlled and soundstage is a little smaller but for half the price of the R3 Meta the Celan is still crazy good.
So I got the S400MK2’s Fauna special addition which allegedly sound a little different than the regular S400MK2’s… be cool if Buchardt send you a pair to compare.
@@NemoPropaganda Oh that does make sense, but they seem to change the speaker box but keep making different special additions over there. I just enjoy how you break down the reviews. As for the mic I am sure you need wireless, but I went to Rhode mic that is analog and used their tube amp and digital converter… great sound
Dont hate, but for shits and gigles , I set up the s400mrk2 with the ls50 meta to play together with the metas sitting on top of the s400, and was it ever interesting . An amazing combo.
@@NemoPropaganda best sci-fi show you like or even book you like lately? I used to read sci-fi as a kid like crazy but as a grown up kinda busy doing grownup things.
@@dylanlewis3647 oh yeah! Books: Three Body Problem quadrilogy, first book is rough but the quadrilogoy is insanely good. The Final Architecture Trilogy by Tchaikovsky was tremendous fun. The Wandering Earth is an amazing collection of short stories by Cixin Liu, I can go on for awhile here but I'd say those are great books and the easiest to get into is The Final Architecture Trilogy. TV Shows: Killjoys, Dark Matter (sadly cancelled), Star Trek Discovery was great but its social commenary was a little preachy at times. Foundation on Apple TV is extremely good, very different from the book but very enjoyable but honestly my favorite has been the animated series Star Trek Lower Decks. Of course all the old Stargate shows rock. If you want a fun movie Space Sweepers is a great Korean scifi movie on netflix.
Hey Nemo,another great review! As you mentioned Kube 12b,just a quick question,1205mk1 or Kube 12b,70/30 music/movies? I can find them for similar price used
I don't have a lot of first hand experience with multi channel or home theater but I feel Emotiva makes great products at their respective price points.
I have a Denon 6700 and am lookin to have the exact setup you described. I think im gonna be getting a 3 channel amp here soon Anthem m325 probably. I think i need more power.... 😢
I'm really torn between the Bowers & Wilkins 606 S3 and the Kef R3 Meta. I don't know if I should splurge extra 1200$ for the Kef R3 Meta. Because I don't know how much is the difference in sound quality. I really would love to see a comparison between these two.
I've only heard the 606 S2 but I can't imagine anything cheaper than the R3 Meta being better or even close. Around the normal mans price point, figure products $3k and below you generally get what you pay for. There certainly are some products that punch above their weight but those are few and far between. The R3 Meta is the top contender in the $2k territory, nothing cheaper can touch it.
@@NemoPropaganda I was planing to get the B&W 606 S3 (they say it's the best under $1K) with a REL T/7x, (in oak and white that looks stunning!) and they both come in at the same price point as the R3 Meta. So I might as well get the R3 Meta, since it's the endgame spreaker for me, live with it without a sub for some time, since you say it has a great base, and latter when I can, get one or two REL T/7x or T/9x. :D
I have these speakers. I think your review is dead on. The bass is very good but i do integrate a rel in my system. The weird thing is i can be lostening at mid low 80db range and it does seem very loud or fatiguing.
I'm curious as well. Would also love to know just how big of a difference exists in SQ and holographic imaging/soundstaging as you go up the Primaluna line (100 vs. 200 vs. 300 vs. 400). For example, aside from more power and the option of using balanced inputs, why would one spend a fortune on a 400 when the much more down to Earth 200 is more than enough SQ-wise. Cheers...
similar sound overall but the Platimon is more neutral in the midrange and with proper amplification the Platimon will be far more refined, resolving, and revealing with more of a natural presentation. Both are class leaders at their price points but there is not a single $2k speaker that can do what the Platimon does just like there is no $30k car that can do what Porsche 911 does.
I’m currently torn between getting the R3 meta or the R5 meta. I have a Hegel H190, Do you think the R5 would be able to play louder with more ease around 80-90db and have more bass?
@@DG-rc6rr totally different my bro, R3 Meta is a bass monster and warmer overall, DWX is more open, effortless and expansive but much less bass despite the larger size. DWX's expansive sound would not be considered warm when compared to something like the R3 Meta. DWX is great for anyone that feels small speaker sound small or anyone who is sensitive to scale & effortlessness. Treble refinement is a little better on the R3 Meta compared to the Standard DWX.
Ok... so for the same price... the CSS 1TD-X built speaker is roughly the same price. I saw your review on the CSS and had to ask which do you prefer? The other thing... on paper the R3 bottoms out at 53Hz and you say you don't need a sub?
I never have and never will care about specs but the -6dB point (aka plus or minus 3dB) on paper is 38hz. As far as the finished version of the 1TDX, that version comes with the upgraded crossovers, and I have not heard it.
I love the TA2, the Emotiva sound is more clean/clear and not warm at all so the R3 Meta may sound a little less warm and a little more forward in the treble but the TA2 has tone controls so you can tailor that a bit.
Nice review. I am having kef r300 arcam a19(700euro new) and irdac (400e new) which to me was a well rounded system for 10-11years. Lately i am considering updates relates to sound and simplicity (less boxes). Do you think a jump from r300 to r3meta is worth it (i do feel like i cant give up the kef sound ;) ) or maybe the difrence i minor and i could keep them but move to better integrated amp like yamaha rn1000a unfortunately i dont have space for 2000 with more power. The other thing i was willing to ask is how r3meta plus amp compare to Buchard A10 i dont mind going to active speakers if i am not giving up sound quality...thanks....
@@NemoPropaganda then the question could be slightly difrent...what about r3 meta and 1.5k amp+dac compared to Buchard A500 that you haved had in your channel?
@@Alextraz that's more personal preference bro. Personally I like separates more, this is something I talked about in my A500 review but for some people who are happy to embrace this more modern approach the A500 have a lot to offer with it's tuning profiles, room correction, and incredibly powerful bass. But I am not a fan of DSP personally so I will always prefer a passive speaker and purist amplifier instead.
Hi there. Wanted to update this discussion. I have tested the A10 and in the end returned them. In my room no matter which master tuning i have tried the voices/vocals were always behind everything else which was not for me. I ended selling my kef r300 and both the R3 meta and honestly I am very happy. For me there is a good enought jump in dynamics and overall refinement especially in the highs. Now I am looking for a good update of my amp. Would choco sound emei be a nice jump from 700e arcam a19 that is 10y old? I am looking for something to bring body and richness but not to be analytical. Maybe something slightly on the warm side of neutral could be ok. I am also thinking to buy a new dac ...most probably denafrips enyo or the new version with i2s. What amp you would suggest for the kef in the 1.5-2k region?
Hi! I m just watched your review. I m thinking to upgrade to kef r3 meta, from dali oberon 3. Can you tell me please in few words what should I expect from kef upgrade?
I've only heard the oberon 1 so I will compare it to that. The oberon 1 is much smaller so maybe a weird difference but R3 Meta is much darker in the treble than Oberon 1, R3 Meta midrange & Oberon 1 midrange are both slightly warm, Oberon 1 bass is tonally rich while R3 meta bass is more technical and very powerful.
I have the q150's and a svs sb1000pro. Really love the sound and imaging. I'm contemplating if the ls50 meta is good enough. Or if the r3 would be worth the increase in price. Thanks for your review.
the R3 Meta is more the upgrade that is similar because Q150 & R3 Meta both have really strong bass. With LS50 Meta you will lose some bass and gain better midrange and treble. Personally I would choose to keep the Q150 longer to save a bit more money and go for the R3 Meta or even consider a second hand pair of R3 Meta instead of a new pair of LS50 Meta. But if you prefer the small size and don't mind giving up some bass then LS50 Meta makes more sense.
Sorry if my voice sounds a little grainy, this is literally a brand new mic (rode wireless go II) since the last one broke again, RODE doesn't really know how to make a reliable MIC and it looks like this brand new unit has some issues. I'll probably send it back and get another one but the next 4 videos all use this mic but hey, I've never been known for my audio/video quality but this is a little below my own standards. And for those that keep asking about the Heco Celan it's like this: Celan is still badass, just not on the same level, treble is more forward on the celan, mids are a little warmer, bass is a little less controlled and soundstage is a little smaller but for half the price of the R3 Meta the Celan is still crazy good and easily the best speaker under $1500 in my book.
@yamafanboy5514 lolololol, BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@NemoPropaganda I find Rythmik SUBs to be perfect combo for KEF as those are as controlled while going low and much flatter through out the range. And not breaking the bank like REL higher end offerings. Harbottle SUBs being something new that I got introduced to. Will have to see how that performs and matches KEF speakers.
@@NemoPropaganda Yes the depth of field and enveloping effect that KEF creates is what got me into a tight fix. I am working on a project for my uncle to get his "DEDICATED HOME THEATER" setup but am struggling with the selection of speakers. Reason is that he has KEF Reference + R Meta Setup for his "LIVING ROOM" which will be 9.8.6 Setup(Yes that is crazy for Living room setup but it is what it is). So considering that I am not sure what can give him more enveloping effect and depth of field while having more dynamics than KEF Reference Meta speakers. I think I need to up the channel count like crazy but that gonna take up the budget much higher than what we planned to. So yeah am in a tough situation.
@@KING_DRANZER I'm not a big HT guy but with that many speakers I know dialing in the timing of everything is really important. As long as you can get that done I'm sure it'll sound incredible.
@@NemoPropaganda No that KEF setup is for his Living Room. I am not sure what hist HT gonna be. But yeah. Possibly 32ch setup. But yes needs a lot of tweaking to get it going. But will also depend on speakers I end up with. Which is the hardest stuff to decide on.
This one feels long overdue, but I'm actually glad this review came later. Your process, approach, & technique is at an all time high, thanks to the many years of trained listening and content creation. Your controlled, refined, and smooth presentation is peak delivery, providing insight that's really unique and right on the nose. I really enjoyed this one
wow, that's one hell of a compliment, thank you very much for taking the time to express that. Your words are very appreciated!
Thanks for the video. I auditioned these in my listening room in a 2.2 channel music setup and they were very good. As good if not better that’s the B&Ws 705 S3 which cost quite a bit more. Mated to their matching stands they are very stable and the matching blue colors look amazing. The enamel finish is brilliant but fragile. I had to return the 1st pair I received in the mail because there was a chip in the enamel in the corner of one speaker. Peace, love and music!
Great advice about speaker purchase vs. Amp/AVR. Awesome review as usual Nemo. These KEFs look like their build quality is clearly world class, surprised about the strong bass. I look forward to comparing them with my Focal 906s one day.
My vote is keep the galaxy on the OLED- chill AF.
Aria 906 are great speakers, little more forward in the treble, cooler in the mids, and a lot less bass, overall Aria is a thinner/cooler sound but does a little better at low volumes.
Completely agree with prioritizing the speaker over the amp.
Just to be clear I generally don't recommend that, it's just this little RSL iA255.1 amp is very good and very cheap. Generally I suggest prioritizing amplification first.
Great review. I had considered these for a 2nd setup to get some contrast from my S400MK2, but ended up going for the LS50metas instead because of budget and the more compact form factor. Seems like a good, well-balanced versatile option.
The information on the pairings / comparisons is extremely helpful in giving me a sense of how the R3 would sound in my system or what I would need to change in my system to have the quality of sound that I enjoy. A very complete review - loved the format of the review. I’m a first time viewer of Nemo. I will subscribe and also look at earlier content. Thank you!
Once again, great review. And once again, I wish I had the room to put a pair of these. I love the blue color on them. I have the LS50 meta for now with the KC62. So I probably should shut up and not complain. Thanks for all you do.
you def have a great system already :)
Anecdotally, I follow the KEF forum on reddit and these R3 Metas and their non-meta predecessors are by far the most discussed speakers. Most commenters prefer them to the LS50 Metas, usually unqualified but I suspect because a lot of listeners have a mixed HT-music setup and value the separate bass driver/higher bass output/higher overall output that can also fill out a larger room. For mixed use, I think the Emotiva TA2 with the HT bypass or something like it makes a LOT of sense for these speakers at this price point. Right now I use the T9x and LS50W2 for a mixed use setup and have zero complaints - the slight warmth of the REL balances out the analytical W2 so well and provides that tactile, realistic bass that puts you on set - but if/when the W2 motherboard dies I may look into the R3 Meta-Emotiva TA2 combo as an alternative. Thanks as always for your review.
Love the cosmic back ground
I just purchased a pair of R3 Metas and I will just say WOW! My daily drivers are Magnepan 3.7i's and while they are amazing speakers there is something special about the R3's. Images as you say. I wanted to buy a pair of bookies for the imaging and sound staging they provide. I was torn between the S400's and R3's. I am confidant I made the right choice although I have not heard the Buchardts.. I am basing this off of your current and past reviews. I also own a pair of CSS 1TDX's with bass modules and they are great speaker, warmer, less transparent and imaging is great but the R3's are close to magical. I pair the R3's, and the Maggies, with a pair of REL T7X's, again, in part, based on your reviews. Love your style, descriptions and what I perceive as honest reviews.
I think you made the right choice, if you already own 1TDX then S400 would have felt redundant. They're not identical per se but similar enough that you don't want to own both IMO. As far as honesty, yeah, this whole channel is just for fun so there is no benefit to anyone if its all BS exaggerations :)
Same here. I was torn between the exact same speakers but thats to this review the deal was sealed!
Great review as usual, I’m totally digging the cosmos background, I hope you stick with it.
Cosmic landscape. Hopefully, someone out there is looking in our direction and wondering. Thanks for another well done video. Love the comparisons because they offer a frame of reference.
Just got my non meta R3's set up in a system and I'm loving them. Got them on clearance for $1300 and I couldn't be happier. I know people say the meta's are better but I've also heard a little EQ makes them sound very similar and I do use a 6 band Schiit EQ.
Considering that's a $900 savings I think you made a great choice!
Deals make everything sound better!
Love this review - very informative (and also aligns with my personal experiences). I had the LS50 Meta for a while, but they just never wowed me. They imaged like nobody's business but sound-wise I found myself never being thoroughly impressed. About 5 or so weeks ago, I traded them on on a pair of R3 Meta and wow - they were the missing link. Just so perfectly dynamic - with plenty of bass for me. Incredible imaging and the midrange was so incredibly satisfying to hear. Initially I had them (and the former LS50 Metas) with the NAD M10 V2. While that was a great integrated amp (with a great display), it felt underpowered to me. I decided to go separates: got a Bluesound Node X and NAD C268. I took a shot in the dark that 80wpc as a dedicated amp would do the R3's better service. And incredibly, it did! It now gets plenty loud for my space, and i'm just blown away daily at how authoritative a dedicated 80 wpc NAD amp can sound. If i ever move into a larger space, I'm contemplating getting a 2nd C268 to use as dual mono blocks but for now, i'm more than satisfied. 👍
thank you for sharing, it's always nice to hear from peopel who own the product :)
love the video and the tv moving image 👍🏻
I heard many good things about the R3 meta i've demoed the Kef R500 floorstanders around 7 years ago and was very impressed i've no doubt these are top sounding speakers also🙏🏻
Hey! Great review, thanks! We can find pictures of the product ourselves, so there's no need to project them on the TV. And the abstract background is nice, I vote to keep that!
Oh my god, great accurate review that most don’t get to! Please try to get to the bigger brother, the Ref 1 Meta. Good stuff keep up being real. Peace.
I don't know if KEF will send my little channel such an expensive speaker for review but I'm willing if they are :)
I had the R3 Meta and loved them, during the trial period I decided to swap them for the R2 Meta for LCR. They are great, and have an almost tower like presence with the bonus of more flexible placement. I went with the KC62 sub.
awesome choice, i love the kc62!
Good to see a new great review from you 👊🏼.
Really intrigued by the R3s. Looking forward to your review of the Evoke 20s. Guessing something like your kinki pre and power is just what the evoke needs✌🏼
I’ve had the R3s for three months. Amazing speakers paired with my Michi X3
that's an awesome setup!
Brilliant review. You need get your hands on the Buchardt A10, all wood construction, look fantastic, and go toe to toe against much more expensive setups (dynaudio heritage + Hegel h390!). My guess is they'll tick a lot of boxes for you
I'm not a big fan of high end powered speakers but I did review the A500 and it was pretty awesome.
YEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!! Thank you!!! I am buying these this week. And you are my most trusted reviewer!! Thanks again for this!
happy to help :)
I do have a question though. These are 4 ohm nominal right? (3.2 min). I have a Denon AVRX6700H which is "4ohm stable" but need to put it in a "4 ohm mode". You are saying it works well with cheap amps so this Denon should be ok right for LCR Metas right? Is that cheap REL 4 ohm stable? @@NemoPropaganda
Hey my last post disappeared.... Thats weird...
Anyway in your video you say these are good bass speakers, but I am not getting much bass AT ALL. I was wondering how long you broke them in for? Or if an AVR is ok for these. Im using Denon avrx6700 as i said in my post that vanished... You think its underpowered maybe? Or will they loosen up over time?
The imagining is next level though! Its like the artist is in room with me!
@@Jusstisse the bass improved on mine over a period of about 50 hours, at first they were fairly well behaved and then around 50 hours I started to get more and more extension and force. As far as AVR's well... you may not like my answer but I feel any AVR is never the best fit for hifi, they are great as a processor for home theater but a lot of them seem to cut off the bass even if you set your speakers to large, even if you set them in "pure direct" mode or whatever they call it, there is always some kind of processing going on behind the scenes that rob the speaker of its full potential.
I love this down to earth honest approach to reviewing vs over-technical with charts and specs
glad you enjoy it my bro! Personally I feel tech specs and measurements are fun to look at but don't really help much. Hell I think sometimes they make it worse as people just obsess over more stuff.
I looked up the Buchart and it didn't have a center channel or anything else. I'm kinda liking the Kef more because it does. Thank you for your great review 👍😎
KEF R3 Meta,, yes,, good speakers,, 🌟
Cheers Nemo,, 🍻😎👍👍
Thank you Nemo, love your videos, especially the comparisons part 👍.
Great TV and great pictures of the Universe.
thank you brother, glad you enjoyed it!
Fab Review ...You make such a compelling case will have to give these a listen Thank you
I agree the speakers are the most important components of sound system!
First time watcher here. Very nice review, sir! In a sea of crap HiFi reviewers, I really appreciate your authenticity. Subscribing
glad you vibe w my style!
Would love to see you talk about the R11 meta! Also, consider hooking up your laptop to the tv (if it isn’t already) get “Wallpaper engine” and find cool animated wallpapers to display!
I don't review towers :(
@@NemoPropaganda sad, but no worries thanks for the reply!
Very thorough review and my god these speaker cabinets look great. I’ve been eying these in blue with the matching stands about $2800 all in since ZF’s review dropped. I’ve been shopping for a used set of harbeth 30.2x d’s for some time without luck so perhaps time to move on to these. I was also hoping the klh model 7s would drop before I spent my budget but that doesn’t sound imminent.
How is it vs the Celan 3? I preferred the Celan 3 to the original R3 but was curious where the meta stacks up against it.
I'm guessing the R3 Meta's outclass the Celan 3's otherwise he would have brought them up I think. From other reviewers I've heard that the R3's need a bit a volume to shine whereas the Celan's sound good at lower volumes. Nemo, weigh in good sir!
The Celans are insanely good at their price, soundstage is a little smaller than the R3 Meta and the Celan is a little more sparkly & forward in the treble. R3 Meta is slightly more refined overall.
You should be fine with static images on an OLED if the brightness isnt very high, not displayed for more than an hour, etc. However, OLED technology has come a long way and theres less to worry about in terms of burn in (permanent screen retention, not to be confused with short term retention). RTings are currently doing an extreme test with many OLEDs, multiple thousands of hours do begin to show burn in but its not always severe. And if you do experience permanent burn in, you can activate the screen refresh mode if your TV has it.
So technically there is more risk for burn in compared to LCD, but with just a little bit of care i highly doubt you will experience burn in for at least a few years. I actually did a decent amount of HDR (really bright) gaming on the living room Sony A80CJ (i hope thats the model) and theres not a hint of burn in. Your mileage may vary.
oh my bro it's not up to me, i would totally risk it and display a static image, the darn TV won't let me :/, it goes into screen saver mode after 5 minutes and you can't disable that function even from the service menu.
@@NemoPropaganda That's just stupid... Anyways, the next best thing is to take screenshots, mash them together in a video editing software (like davinci resolve or shotcut) to then make it a looping video. This can be very useful for showing off angles on a device like inputs, outputs, specs, etc. But I think a good number of people will prefer the space themed background because it looks pretty.
@@Sir_Corgerus yeah, the number of comments for the space theme greatly out weighed the few people that wanted to see a slideshow on there.
@@NemoPropaganda yep, and images that are needed can just be pulled up anyway whenever they are needed.
I like the cosmos vid 👍🏼
I had a chance to listen to these and they sound really good!
They look very special in person as well.
But I'll stick with my Focal chora 806 speakers 😊
The Chora sound so dynamic and detailed they are perfect for my home theater. But if I was more music focused I would say the Kef is a great choice. What's your thought? Since you may still remember the Chora.
The Chora 806 is great for what you're using it for, the R3 would still be an upgrade in alot of ways but we all have to draw the line somewhere and call it all good enough at some point.
My brother has the normal r3 they sound amazing with the right amp especially bass quality. I'm a kef fan since my other brother bought the q35 about 20 years ago and I've owned the q950 myself
I really dig the looks of these KEFs -- especially the white ones and the woodgrain ones with the golden drivers. You mention the LS-50 (Meta) but the straight-edged cabinets of these R3s are shaped/sized more like the less expensive Q350s. I sometimes switch between those and some Monitor Audio Silver 100 7Gs (which don't need a subwoofer in my room), but I have used a sub with the Q350s. (I listen mostly to acoustic jazz, so EDM-level bass doesn't figure into it.) Other than the woofer, I wonder how the R3s sound would compare to the Q350s. I don't suppose you've had the chance to make that comparison, but I thought I'd bring up the similarities anyway...
I've only heard the Q150, it's nice but the R3 Meta is on a different level.
My suggestion. Buy these and a pair of Fosi V3 Mono amps with the 48v 10 amp power supply. Cost is $260 for the pair. Also buy the Topping D 50 Mk 3 which is a two channel DAC preamp with balanced outs, and a 10 band PEQ. Costs $230. For $490 plus your laptop, plus these, you will have a true high end system. Also SVS OG SB 1000 and SB 2000 have subs which have both a high and low pass filters, passive on the high end and active on the low pass. The OG SB 2000's are discontinued but still available in SVS warehouse sales and go for around $500-600 ea which is a complete steal.
So a smart shopped, for around $3000-3500 can have a complete end game system which looks good, plays dynamically and coherently with superb imaging.
I vote : landscape.
Thanks for your videos Nemo !
Great review! Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on R3 Meta vs Kanta #1 comparison. Kantas are on sale right now in my local shop for a roughly the same price.
Kanta is technically the better but tonally they are different. R3 Meta is slightly warmer in the mids and has much stronger bass despite its smaller size. Kanta is the more analytical sound overall offerring up more detail and detail that is pushed forward. If you enjoy all the way analytical go for the Kanta, if you prefer some warmth and stronger bass go for the R3 meta.
Always enjoy your take on all things audio. Thank you.
In Australia the Kef R3 Meta costs $1000 more than the Triangle Comete 40th Anniversary.
that's a bummer :(
These are on my upgrade list
I don't blame ya! They have a sound that's easy to fall in love with regardless of taste.
Thank you! You always do a great job breaking it down.
Thanks for the review. You mentioned the Kef Kube 12 sub. Have you reviewed that or have plans to cover it? Be interested to know your thoughts
I have not reviewed it yet but will soon.
my setup is KEF R3 Meta with KC62 sub connected to Hegel H190 using Gustard R26 DAC. The sound is excellent crisp clear but also warm very balanced
that's an excellent system!
Great review! Thanks for sharing.
I imagine if you didn’t have sidewall symmetry the KEFs might highlight that imbalance with the pinpoint imaging
like you mean if the room isnt a perfect square or rectangle?
I have no idea
@@Jusstisse like an open side or speakers not centered on wall
Viewed 2/25/24... Great audio review video... Great info!! 🎉🎉👏👏💯💯 Also, 👍👍 for galaxy backdrop... cool 😎... keep it (or rotate with beautiful ocean, mountain views)!! My question is hopefully not too much apple vs orange?? 🤔🤔 Currently have Parasound A21+ with KEF R300. Have all upstream components upgraded. Next step will be speaker wire plus amp or speaker. Was thinking Parasound JC5 or Reference 1... can't do both! Or do you think the A21+ would be an "unworthy 😊" match for the Reference 1... or same idea the JC5 would be an "unworthy 😊" match for the older KEF R300s? Would best bang for buck, best sound result, be to go to R3 Meta thus saving some money and getting the improved speaker technology? Hopefully I wasn't long winded 😂. Thank you for time and any recommendations!!
Hi bro, I don't have any experience with parasound but some of the guys in my free discord have expeirence, maybe hop in there and make a post?
Personally i wouldn’t pair a kef R speaker with a warmer sounding amp.
Hated my Kef / Denon pma combo.
That said, on a budget level, the Wiim amp also pairs very well and integrates a streamer and reasonable dac at the same time.
Cheers, great review!
Denon PMA600 is a big congested sounding, if that's what you had I don't blame you.
@@NemoPropaganda i used to have the pma-1600NE. Changed it with a Hegel and ohboy, that made a HUGE difference!
Hi Nemo! Great review 😎
I'm surprised that you heard lots of bass since this speaker have a bass shelf. The -3db point is 77hz.
Did you place the speakers near a wall when testing?
Thx 😊
Where are you getting 77hz from? KEF's spec is 38hz at -6dB and that was pretty inline with my experience. I know the LS50 Meta with it's single 5" driver does about 75hz, are you perhaps mixing up the two? Speakers were 34" front baffle to rear wall so I'd say I have my speakers are pulled out a good amount. I just had another guy comment that he had to send the R3 Meta back because it had too much bass in his room (i suggested he use tone controls to lower the bass).
My friend has these and there’s def enough bass. Paired with an r6 meta center which also has super deep bass. Sound awesome.
It was a genuine question after I saw the R3 meta spinorama measurements. We see the bass shelf design in the response.
From what I understand, in your test, the back of the speakers were about 21 inches from the wall. That seems to be close enough to have good bass. Which is good news!
I was asking because I usually like a midbass bump (80-100hz) and afraid the R3 Meta won't have enough bass to my taste...
Thank you
I’ve ordered them in a bundle with KEF S3 stands and Marantz 40n amplifier. All for £3.5k here in UK. The wait is killing me 😂
that's a hell of a deal! congrats!!!!!!
@@NemoPropaganda cheers. Good to know I am not being shafted 😂
Very good review nemo, thank you! I have a question. How would you compare the Meta R3 with the Dynadio Special 40? Thanks my friend. I love your content
Honestly bro my memory is normally pretty good but the Special 40 was so similar to the S400 MK2 (to my ears at least) that I find it difficult to recall what it's own sound signature was. All I can remember was it sounded good and very similar to the S400 MK2.
Thanks Bro! @@NemoPropaganda
I'm Going Back And Forth With Either UPGRADING To Arendal Speakers Or The New Svs Speakers That Just Dropped??? But The Built QUALITY Alone On The KEFS, And Maybe Arendal Speakers, Are Eye Popping Already! What's So U ????
Sorry I don't understand the question?
@@NemoPropaganda , Would You Pick The Kef's R3 Meta Speakers Over The Arendal Speakers?????
@@michaelburton5198 for a music system I'd go R3 but if it wa a dedicated theater the 1723 bookshelf S.
just subscribed, great review, I had the kef wireless II die on me so I am looking at these and the ls50 metas for my tv setup. I have been looking for something with hdmi arc to drive them and your discussion on the cheap amp is kind of pushing me towards the wiim amp. I was looking at the new arcam a15 or a25 to run these but the lack of HDMI ARC kills it. I would love to see a review of the Wiim amp vs wiim pro setups with some higher end speakers and what you would consider the best setup for $$.
welcome aboard, I have just the video for you! Buy whatever amp you want, HDMI ARC is easy to add, see here: ua-cam.com/video/LsOR37pF0FI/v-deo.htmlsi=moXZkrzP0FA2qoLg
Good review. Wondering...how well does the R3 open up at low volume? I live in an apartment and mostly like to listen at lower volumes. Sometimes wish I had a vintage amp with loudness button.
Others have commented that the Kef speakers, in general, are great speakers for low volume listening.
Their lower efficiency helps with that along with their extended treble.
With that in mind, what model you choose will depend upon how much bass you believe you can get away with without being evicted.
Good luck.
no problems at low volumes my bro!
Not sure for R3 meta but my experience with r300 is that to get the right dinamics you need to pushe then almost to mid volume not like low volume is bad but at least for me the bad is not there at low volume...
@@Artemis_Prix I wait until my downstairs neighbors are out to crank the volume. To me music without warmth and bass isn't involving. Loudness button, Fletcher Munson curve , etc
love the 1.09 story!
I heard that S400MK2 can be much closer to a wall than R3. I generally prefer a more rich, organic tone, so I think I would like S400 more. The bass of S400 also seems better, down to 33Hz(-3dB), where R3 only hits 38Hz(-6dB).
Both speakers have similar extension, it's not a big difference but yeah the S400 gets a smidgen lower.
Man, when are you gonna review acoustic energy ae500??
I don't have any plans to review the AE500 currently.
Great review. I had the original S400 a few years ago along with a few other back firing bass port. The R3 meta are the first to not be a good fit in my small living room. I get way too much boomy bass. I’ve had these here for about 15 days and I’m returning them tomorrow. Mids and highs are fantastic-best I’ve had so far even my wife says they are really good, except for the boomy bass.
Probably too close to wall. Don't they come with bung to seal up for close wall use?
that's a bummer, you can't pull them out from the wall anymore or use tone controls?
@@NemoPropaganda I have them pulled out 16in from the wall I pull them out a little more but then it’s near field session 😂…I was playing Beyoncé and the foam bungs shot out the back …I’ll try tone control.
@@Jusstisseyea 16in away from front wall is not enough room for the R3 metas to shine. I’m stuck with front firing ports or sealed enclosure. KLH worked best in my room. Just wished they had the top end and mid of the R3 meta. Foam bungs shot out when playing Beyoncé ‘s new album. Bass monster 😂
actually studies have shown that if you are 2x the size of the port away from the back wall. there’s no difference in sound from that distance or even more distance out. use tone controls or eq if u need too.
Interesting. I agree that I though they struck a good balance, but I thought they were slightly leaning to the analytical side. They pushed it right up to the edge, and I may have preferred it slightly warmer sounding. Just preference I suppose. Nothing like putting a real instrument in the room and playing along, or singing along and comparing. Most speakers sound too dry and analytical compared to the real thing to my ears. I really notice when my friend comes over and plays the piano. It's so much richer and fuller than most speakers. Never a hint of sounding analytical. I'm happy to say my system is currently matching the piano surprisingly well, allowing me to play along without the stereo sounding relatively pathetic.
I could see them sounding like that depending on amp pairing. Getting a stereo to sound like a real instrument is a serious challenge, if you were able to come close at all my hats off to you!
@@NemoPropaganda I'm a DIY speaker builder and have some big horns, with a total of eight 18" drivers loaded into 6' folded bass horns placed in the corners, along with mid and tweeter horns. It's over the top, and it doesn't automatically work. This setup has active crossovers and is efficient enough that the amp pairing isn't as critical. I just use a 7.1 AVR to power all the drivers. They key to getting good sound out of it is messing with crossover settings and EQ, and trying different horn flares until something works. It's tricky because I don't have anechoic measurements to start with, so I'm trying to EQ the speaker and the room at the same time. Listening to well regarded speakers such as these for comparison is very helpful, and encouraging because going through all this DIY effort really does have some advantages to my ears, despite the measurable faults. I don't regret it, although I doubt I'll ever find the energy to do it again.
Thanks for the RSL IA255.1 recommendation! Do you have a stop gap DAC recommendation as well? Something
how about the Gashelli J2 AMK version? I've had that for awhile, I never reviewed it but it's pretty darn good for the money, good balanced sound.
New here. Really nice review dude. Subbed 👍🏾
hey what's up man, welcome aboard!
Excellent review
what stands and height as well as speaker placement relative to walls and toe in did you settle on? thx. great review. i am really down to the buchardt mk 2 and this kef r3 meta. your reviews of these have been an immense help!!
have you seen this video? ua-cam.com/video/VYglX2Q3PeY/v-deo.htmlsi=-5zT5VTYGUoMzZn-
regarding stand height I always try to get my ears between the tweeter and woofer.
Great review as usual, thanks! I am curious as to how does their sound signature compare to your current reference, the Platimon. Of course, at 3X the price, they should be on another level in terms of resolution, but would like to know your opinion on the general characteristics.
They are on another level. But you may want to listen to Erin's Audio Corner comparison of the R3 Meta vs. Reference 1 Meta which are 4x the price. Interesting comparison, and will give you a hint of what you're seeking.
Remember, despite the cosmic background, Nemo is at our level, not the upper echelon.
Hope that's helpful.
The biggest difference IMO between blue collar stuff like speakers up to $3k and stuff that's closer to $10k is refinement, micro detail, and the sepparation and space between everything. Platimon is in a different category but it is 3x the price. If someones hobby stops at the R3 Meta you're still getting crazy good sound.
Great review as allways!
Maybe you will find some time for a little bit more cheaper speakers like the Q Aucustics 3030i or the Mission LX3-MKii, would love to hear your opinion!
I tried to review Mission but their contract terms were not agreeable. I suggested some changes but they would not reply after that so no luck. I have reviewed the newer Q acoustics 5010, you can see it here: ua-cam.com/video/se4mzOIjoAQ/v-deo.htmlsi=eaGGRLtXg9eyD8SM
Understandable, if Mission is not willing, they should keep it. Yeah I saw that allready, but they a bit more pricy and I belive the 5" woofer has not as much kick as the 6" in the 3030i, sound should differ a good bit. The 3030i delivers outstanding sound for the money!
Thinking of rolling my SVS Ultra home theater and Special 40/Hegel/REL into one. Do you think KEF R Meta line (R3 or R7) could be a happy mix of what im looking for? Started noticing cabinet resonance and bloom. R3 Meta sounds like that happy musical and analytical that would be a good all arounder.
Yeah I think so, try and get a demo first to be on the safe side, it's a popular speaker so you should be able to find a retailer that has them on display.
Love the reviews 🙏🏼.Which do you think sounds better at low volume: Kef R3 Meta or Buchardt s400 mkII?
mmm, at low volumes they are about the same to me.
How do they compare to the 2023 champions. The Heco Celan Revolution 3?
Celan is still badass, just not on the same level, treble is more forward on the celan, mids are a little warmer, bass is a little less controlled and soundstage is a little smaller but for half the price of the R3 Meta the Celan is still crazy good.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks man. Appreciate your reply ✌🏼
Hi Nemo thanks as usual for the content, nice universe please, rotating pictures would in your own words be a distraction 😊
Thanks Nemo!
So I got the S400MK2’s Fauna special addition which allegedly sound a little different than the regular S400MK2’s… be cool if Buchardt send you a pair to compare.
I prefer not to review special editions that are limited in production.
@@NemoPropaganda Oh that does make sense, but they seem to change the speaker box but keep making different special additions over there. I just enjoy how you break down the reviews. As for the mic I am sure you need wireless, but I went to Rhode mic that is analog and used their tube amp and digital converter… great sound
Dont hate, but for shits and gigles , I set up the s400mrk2 with the ls50 meta to play together with the metas sitting on top of the s400, and was it ever interesting . An amazing combo.
I support your chaos!
Team Cosmic landscape. You can even mix it up over time.
hell yeah brother, seems like most people prefer the cosmic landscape and I'm a big scifi nerd so that makes me happy!
@@NemoPropaganda best sci-fi show you like or even book you like lately? I used to read sci-fi as a kid like crazy but as a grown up kinda busy doing grownup things.
@@dylanlewis3647 oh yeah! Books: Three Body Problem quadrilogy, first book is rough but the quadrilogoy is insanely good. The Final Architecture Trilogy by Tchaikovsky was tremendous fun. The Wandering Earth is an amazing collection of short stories by Cixin Liu, I can go on for awhile here but I'd say those are great books and the easiest to get into is The Final Architecture Trilogy. TV Shows: Killjoys, Dark Matter (sadly cancelled), Star Trek Discovery was great but its social commenary was a little preachy at times. Foundation on Apple TV is extremely good, very different from the book but very enjoyable but honestly my favorite has been the animated series Star Trek Lower Decks. Of course all the old Stargate shows rock. If you want a fun movie Space Sweepers is a great Korean scifi movie on netflix.
Thanks for another great video. What is your take at low listening levels ?
I didn't notice any issues at lower volumes but I don't listen whisper quiet. I consider 70-72dB pretty low.
Hey Nemo,another great review! As you mentioned Kube 12b,just a quick question,1205mk1 or Kube 12b,70/30 music/movies? I can find them for similar price used
I have not put very much time on the Kube12 to compare it that way.
@@NemoPropaganda Ok,thanks,i’ll wait for the review then👍
Do you think an emotiva bass a3 will be good for these and an r6 meta? Along with the Denon x3800 for the surrounds…
I don't have a lot of first hand experience with multi channel or home theater but I feel Emotiva makes great products at their respective price points.
I have a Denon 6700 and am lookin to have the exact setup you described. I think im gonna be getting a 3 channel amp here soon Anthem m325 probably. I think i need more power.... 😢
I'm really torn between the Bowers & Wilkins 606 S3 and the Kef R3 Meta. I don't know if I should splurge extra 1200$ for the Kef R3 Meta. Because I don't know how much is the difference in sound quality. I really would love to see a comparison between these two.
I've only heard the 606 S2 but I can't imagine anything cheaper than the R3 Meta being better or even close. Around the normal mans price point, figure products $3k and below you generally get what you pay for. There certainly are some products that punch above their weight but those are few and far between. The R3 Meta is the top contender in the $2k territory, nothing cheaper can touch it.
@@NemoPropaganda I was planing to get the B&W 606 S3 (they say it's the best under $1K) with a REL T/7x, (in oak and white that looks stunning!) and they both come in at the same price point as the R3 Meta. So I might as well get the R3 Meta, since it's the endgame spreaker for me, live with it without a sub for some time, since you say it has a great base, and latter when I can, get one or two REL T/7x or T/9x. :D
@@dragonstone6594 as long as you have a good amp I think that's a great idea.
I have these speakers. I think your review is dead on. The bass is very good but i do integrate a rel in my system. The weird thing is i can be lostening at mid low 80db range and it does seem very loud or fatiguing.
Another great video! Will you br reviewing the Prima Luna?
I'm curious as well. Would also love to know just how big of a difference exists in SQ and holographic imaging/soundstaging as you go up the Primaluna line (100 vs. 200 vs. 300 vs. 400).
For example, aside from more power and the option of using balanced inputs, why would one spend a fortune on a 400 when the much more down to Earth 200 is more than enough SQ-wise.
Cheers...
Yes absolutely!
I don't know if I will cover the larger models tbh but I have the EVO 100.
when are you dropping the REL Classic review?
maybe like 1 month away but if you're considering buying it I'm happy to answer any questions you have in my free discord.
What's that, a lil' speigur? 🙃
I don't know what that word means.
@@NemoPropaganda ua-cam.com/video/CwRFr8oq3Lc/v-deo.html
Hi, I'm considering these speakers along with the Mon Acoustics Platimon. As someone whose listened to both, how do you think they compare?
similar sound overall but the Platimon is more neutral in the midrange and with proper amplification the Platimon will be far more refined, resolving, and revealing with more of a natural presentation. Both are class leaders at their price points but there is not a single $2k speaker that can do what the Platimon does just like there is no $30k car that can do what Porsche 911 does.
I’m currently torn between getting the R3 meta or the R5 meta.
I have a Hegel H190,
Do you think the R5 would be able to play louder with more ease around 80-90db and have more bass?
I'm not sure, maybe try emailing KEF since they make both speakers. I have not heard the R5.
I wonder how you think it compares to the Zu DWX? Seems to be close to same size-ish...
not even close in terms of size, very different sound overall.
@@NemoPropaganda Which do you like better or are they just totally different?
@@DG-rc6rr totally different my bro, R3 Meta is a bass monster and warmer overall, DWX is more open, effortless and expansive but much less bass despite the larger size. DWX's expansive sound would not be considered warm when compared to something like the R3 Meta. DWX is great for anyone that feels small speaker sound small or anyone who is sensitive to scale & effortlessness. Treble refinement is a little better on the R3 Meta compared to the Standard DWX.
@@NemoPropaganda This is great. thank you....!
Don't think having a few rotating static images is going to burn in your oled
I personally don't care about burn in, the TV won't let me display a static image. It goes into screensaver mode.
Ok... so for the same price... the CSS 1TD-X built speaker is roughly the same price.
I saw your review on the CSS and had to ask which do you prefer?
The other thing... on paper the R3 bottoms out at 53Hz and you say you don't need a sub?
I never have and never will care about specs but the -6dB point (aka plus or minus 3dB) on paper is 38hz. As far as the finished version of the 1TDX, that version comes with the upgraded crossovers, and I have not heard it.
Nemo , What do you think about the Emotiva basx Ta2 with the R3 Meta? Yay or nay??
I love the TA2, the Emotiva sound is more clean/clear and not warm at all so the R3 Meta may sound a little less warm and a little more forward in the treble but the TA2 has tone controls so you can tailor that a bit.
GREAT thanks 👍
I did audition for it before but i felt that the treble wasn't good enough as compare to the Monitor Audio 100 7G.
I think you forgot to mention the model, 100 is the size and 7g is just the generation, I'm not sure which speaker you're referring to.
@@NemoPropaganda sorry, forgot to mention it's the silver 100 7G
When you reference build quality are you also speaking of crossover components etc?
fit, finish, heft.
Cosmic landscape all day baby!
I vote for Anime babes
Nice review. I am having kef r300 arcam a19(700euro new) and irdac (400e new) which to me was a well rounded system for 10-11years. Lately i am considering updates relates to sound and simplicity (less boxes). Do you think a jump from r300 to r3meta is worth it (i do feel like i cant give up the kef sound ;) ) or maybe the difrence i minor and i could keep them but move to better integrated amp like yamaha rn1000a unfortunately i dont have space for 2000 with more power. The other thing i was willing to ask is how r3meta plus amp compare to Buchard A10 i dont mind going to active speakers if i am not giving up sound quality...thanks....
I have not heard the A10 or the Yamaha amp in question.
@@NemoPropaganda then the question could be slightly difrent...what about r3 meta and 1.5k amp+dac compared to Buchard A500 that you haved had in your channel?
@@Alextraz that's more personal preference bro. Personally I like separates more, this is something I talked about in my A500 review but for some people who are happy to embrace this more modern approach the A500 have a lot to offer with it's tuning profiles, room correction, and incredibly powerful bass. But I am not a fan of DSP personally so I will always prefer a passive speaker and purist amplifier instead.
Hi there. Wanted to update this discussion. I have tested the A10 and in the end returned them. In my room no matter which master tuning i have tried the voices/vocals were always behind everything else which was not for me. I ended selling my kef r300 and both the R3 meta and honestly I am very happy. For me there is a good enought jump in dynamics and overall refinement especially in the highs. Now I am looking for a good update of my amp. Would choco sound emei be a nice jump from 700e arcam a19 that is 10y old? I am looking for something to bring body and richness but not to be analytical. Maybe something slightly on the warm side of neutral could be ok. I am also thinking to buy a new dac ...most probably denafrips enyo or the new version with i2s. What amp you would suggest for the kef in the 1.5-2k region?
Hi! I m just watched your review. I m thinking to upgrade to kef r3 meta, from dali oberon 3. Can you tell me please in few words what should I expect from kef upgrade?
I've only heard the oberon 1 so I will compare it to that. The oberon 1 is much smaller so maybe a weird difference but R3 Meta is much darker in the treble than Oberon 1, R3 Meta midrange & Oberon 1 midrange are both slightly warm, Oberon 1 bass is tonally rich while R3 meta bass is more technical and very powerful.
Maybe you could show images with a slow pan and zoom
The TV doesn't have any option for that.
Nemo, how do you compare the R3 Meta vs the Fritz Carrera? Thanks
I have not heard the Fritz Carerra.
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I have the q150's and a svs sb1000pro. Really love the sound and imaging. I'm contemplating if the ls50 meta is good enough. Or if the r3 would be worth the increase in price. Thanks for your review.
the R3 Meta is more the upgrade that is similar because Q150 & R3 Meta both have really strong bass. With LS50 Meta you will lose some bass and gain better midrange and treble. Personally I would choose to keep the Q150 longer to save a bit more money and go for the R3 Meta or even consider a second hand pair of R3 Meta instead of a new pair of LS50 Meta. But if you prefer the small size and don't mind giving up some bass then LS50 Meta makes more sense.
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