I love these speaker placement videos and I dream of owning maggies. Then I wake up and realise I live in London, and 6 feet away from the front wall there’s the back wall!
I have a set of MG-1 speakers I purchased a *long* time ago - almost 40 years maybe? I'll be married 37 years this year, and I bought them a year or two before getting married, so, yes, almost 40 years now. I *DO* have them mounted on the wall. Granted, I may give up a bit of quality - fair enough - but it can be done. What I did was unscrew the base from the speakers, and then created four brackets out of oak. I mounted two bottom brackets so that the bottom of each MG-1 is about 16 inches from the floor. Interestingly enough, given the nature of the directionality of the sound, this was a benefit. I ran the cabling to a 2-gang box in the wall for each speaker, and then a third where they exit and are connected to my system. I added a powered sub-woofer as maggies are helped by this. Before connecting the speakers I set each in the bottom bracket and placed each top bracket in place and marked the wall. If I recall, I located each stud and set the screw into that. I wanted a solid connection in order to use what small amount of additional sound the wall might emit. I suspect not much but, hey, vibrations do travel. Edit: I forgot to mention I was able to run the cables in the wall as my office was more like soon-to-be office and the walls had not been drywalled yet. You may not have that luxury, but if it's your place walls can easily be opened up and patched. I work from home writing software and am at my desk a lot. Initially the speakers were behind me. I changed things around and the speakers are on my right side now so I have tuned the room with two other speakers a little. My office isn't an opera hall :) and this is good enough I've thought about doing the same when I finish the last two rooms in my basement - one where we'll watch movies. The MG-1s, with their fabric and oak strips would look like decoration, but having somewhere around six would be pretty cool I'd think. I noticed with the model you showed that the angled bracket was held on by a clearly visible screw. I think if you could stand to violate the goal of audio perfection a little (not a slam AT ALL - I get why folks want this stuff right), you might find you like it. Regards
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Jay, I've just received my latest, biggest tweak EVER for my LRSs. I got the Magna Riser Airborne stands. They utterly transformed the LRS into a bigger, fuller, clearer, more powerfully engaging speaker. Image grew in height, width, and massively in depth. I'm just dumbstruck. It's the best $235 I've ever spent. On ANYTHING related to HiFi. EVER. PLEASE give them a try, and maybe do a review on them. I can't possibly express how crazy good they are. Maybe you could do a review on them. So good. Soooooo good. Check them out!
Magnepans plan worked, I bought the lrs because I've always wanted to try a pair and at that price I could not argue. Those speakers were so good I ordered a pair of 3.7 I. The one setup thing I will offer is that I do not use the back wave of the magnepans. I operate out of a recording studio and I have absorption behind each speaker. Pretty amazing.
Rather than use 'tilt' for pointing the center of the speaker toward the center of the listening area (sweet spot), you might want to use the word 'toe in' or 'toe out' which is typical for that movement. 'Tilt' would be typically be the top of speaker moving forward or back while the bottom front edge is a fixed axis from which the top of the speaker moves in a rotational fashion (i,e, the clips on the back feet that change the angle of the speaker face toward the listening area).
This video was so insanely helpful. Cannot thank you enough. I'm getting a set of MGII-As and my space only has room for a triangle, and about 3ft from the walls with a corner placement, with about 10ft on each line on the triangle. I'm so relieved to hear that they should work fine.
Thank you for this great video. For my 1.7is, 5-6 feet out rather than 3 feet out makes a profound increase to the sound stage depth and instrument separation. Base drops off but a sub makes up for that.
I hope that Wendell showed some appreciation for the work you have put into your Maggie videos... you have certainly put some $$$ in his pocket...you do a great job, and its nice to see someone young doing some audio reviews... Im 61... sometimes I get a little leary of all these people about my age talking about all these musical nuances...??? but I do appreciate all opinions!!!
This channel just gets better & better by the day!! This was by far one of the best speaker placement guides I have ever watched on UA-cam. IMHO there are far too many bla - bla -bla ers that spend hours and write books on ridiculous speaker placement methods. The Next best Thing Studio suggested methods for LRS set-up/placement will also work well with most other speakers (in my experience.) I always start with the "near field" placement 1st for reference. I will not bother experimenting with speaker placement until I believe I have the room acoustics all squared away, like acoustic panels and carpeting. In the end, I almost always wind up going back to near field placement.
I think it important to add that the wall distance is more about achieving a flat bass response. This generally applies to all speakers, box or panel, but the di-pole design exacerbates room mode challenges. Placing them close to the wall will reinforce some bass frequencies while causing huge dips/cancellations/nulls in others. In an Open-baffle/ di-pole design, the bass freqs wrap around the panel causing cancellations, which is why panel speakers so often sound weak in the bass and require a huge diaphragm to produce bass comparable to a couple 6" woofers. With Maggies, I found the best center imaging was achieved with the tweeters placed outboard -- strange considering Magnepan's recommendation.
Very nice video Jay. Maggies certainly are a unique speaker that rewards your careful placement within the room. I am a Magnepan dealer in the Carolinas and have both the .7 and 1.7 in my showroom. I will say that my personal preference is to sit a bit closer to the speakers than the recommended distance with the tweeters in the inside. To me this gives a wider lateral soundstage (almost a "wraparound" effect). I will also remind viewers that you should always toe-in your Maggies so that the bass section is closer to your ear than the tweeter. This preserves time coherency and will result in a better 3D image. Once you experience what these speakers can do, it is hard to go back to a traditional cone n' dome box speaker.
As a new owner of 1.7i I'm not sure I understand your toe-in advice. Mine are 40in off the front wall and 12 feet apart (120in projection screen) and I sit 12 feet away from them. My amp is a Parasound A21+. That's a triangle which would require me to toe-in at 45 degrees for time alignment if I understand correctly. I too like the tweeters to the inside for a more focused sound stage. Currently I have them at 25 degrees inward angle. Your thoughts on my room placement? Thanks
Great video! I started with the Cardas planar calculator recommendation and moved my speakers around from there. It takes a while to get it right but definitely worth it as no other speaker approaches what they can do for any reasonable price. If you want an easy jump in sound quality I highly recommend the "magnepan instant upgrade kit" from Verastarr/Mike Powell. It was like taking blankets off the speakers.
Well done, I haven’t yet tried the tweeters to the outside but certainly will as I find the sweet spot especially small but lovely. These are with no doubt the least fatiguing speakers I’ve ever heard. I’m especially sensitive to the reproduced female voice and find almost every speaker lacking except these. I still have a difficult time believing these are only $650 though I’ve heard the wait has increased to beyond four months but they are worth every minute you have to wait for these exceptional speakers.
I stumbled on to your approach with my 1.7i. partly because i dont have the space. It works grt for me too. I do have acoustic panels on ceiling and sound absorbing material in the room.
I love your channel, but you just made me spend 650 dollars last Saturday from my audio guru guy (Ron@Northwoods Audio)! Just getting ready to sign up for your Patreon😁. Now going to have wait for that. Coming soon though
Had the LRS's a couple months, it was time to send them back or sell. Upgraded to 1.7i's, spread is wide 10.5ft@ctr. Added Jamo bookshelfs for the middle sound void 5.5ft@ctr. Nice 4" driver thump, 1.7i's on outside (tweets in) bring extra imaging to the sound wall.🎼👌😎 jamo concert series c 91 ii beat the LRS's by miles in clarity/imaging. IMO
Had the LRS's a couple months, it was time to send them back or sell. Upgraded to 1.7i's, spread is wide 10.5ft@ctr. Added Jamo bookshelfs for the middle sound void 5.5ft@ctr. Nice 4" driver thump, 1.7i's on outside (tweets in) bring extra imaging to the sound wall.🎼👌😎
I have owned the LRS's for 3 months. I have had a lot of speakers but these are the first Maggies. It takes a lot of setup time to get the speakers and room acoustics to lock in. Some of the aftermarket stands raise them up and also make them more vertical (more than the 'flippers'). The other thing you did not mention was the Magnepan recommendation that the tweeter be at least one inch further away than the base panel - being a direct measurement from the listening position. Getting the standout from the back wall, separation, listening distance, distance to tweeter, and tilt adjusted to the room takes time and is probably unique to each room. The reward is a large sound stage and deep imaging. There are still times I miss a traditional tweeter on some music but there are always trade-offs and this is a great speaker for the money.
I have a few more weeks to go before my LRSs ship to me and I can’t wait! I’m going to have to set them up “Jay’s Way” because of the way my living room in my apartment is. With this set-up should the tweeters be on the outside or the inside??
Put my SMGa's on home made stands and did the same for my MMG's. Got them standing straight up.. 4-6' away from the back wall gives me plenty of bass.. My tip: try Audirvana with the SonEQ plugins.
More than a year ago I got a pair of Magnepan 0.7's. Bigger Magnepans could never fit into my little 500 square foot house and the 0.7 is the biggest model to use only quasi-ribbons. Pure ribbons are too fragile for me to trust them. I like SET amplifiers but a 45 triode is not powerful enough for the Magnepan so I use a 45 to transformer couple to the grid of an 833-A which at 1000 Volts is plenty of power for Magnepans to duplicate concert hall sound pressures and it sounds better than the solid state amplifier the store where I bought my speakers used to demonstrate the. Since I got my Magnepans I have heard box speakers that cost as much as $75,000 and they can't approach the refinement and realism the Magnepans give me. I am spoiled now.
Stereophile Heresy! : An interior decorator has been asking me about using a single Magnepan LRS, as mono-speaker from ceiling or wall. The purpose of the speaker would be to spread background music and create an atmosphere (as alternative to ceiling and boxed speakers)
Might I suggest you time align the Maggie’s? When you do & listen to them for the first time.... it like mind blown! 🤯 it makes a great speaker even greater! Thanks for the video! Also you might wanna try removing the resistors & put in a silver bus bar, again a good sound improvement, can’t wait for the next one!
It is advised that bookshelf tweeters are supposed to be at ear level. Therefore are they and over models of Maggies always supposed to be on the floor? Should you prop up the LRS to be higher on the Z axis and if so, how did that impact the sound? Thanks and great video again!
1:07 - which is it? - the front or back wall? 1. I've read/heard both ... But my take is ... It's the FRONT wall. It's from the orientation of you/seated position in the room. Front speakers are closer to the front wall (in front of you). Rear speakers are typically on the back wall (behind you). 2. I think HiFi should 'borrow' some terms from aviation ... Toe-in = YAW (rotation on the vertical Y(up/down) axis - nose left/right) Tilt = PITCH (rotation on the horizontal X(left/right) axis - nose up/down) ROLL in audio should be left to RockNRoll. 3. Ideally your seated position should be well off of the back wall.
@@Jayiyagi I appreciate your channel and insights Jay. I just think that wrt speaker placement that wall should always be referred to as the front wall.
I just read al the reactions here. The placement depends of the room sizes, the acoustics, the equipment, your ears. My 0.5 sounds great, my 1.6 gives a way to much high's. It can be difficult speakers. I don't know if the X-overs are rebuild, of them.
Thanks Jay for this informative video! I just received my pair of LRS and am experimenting with placing. Do you also still have the tweeters to the outside if you're only sitting 6-8feet away like in your second placement option?
Bit confused watching you measure how far apart they are, as you seemed to be saying one thing while doing another. Where exactly do you put the tape measure?
And that’s why Maggies will always be a speaker that will appeal to a customer with a limited type of living space. For some of us, even 3 feet away puts them uncomfortably close to the listener, and if that’s the absolute minimum, there’s no room for further placement.
Hello again Jay! Just wondering if you would consider a review/video comparing and contrasting these Magni LRS’s VS the Klipsh r8000f’s they’re close in price but very different and I’ve been wondering how they would compare as mains in a multi channel system. Thanks for all the awesome reviews! I’m always looking forward to your latest take on what’s up I the world of Hi-Fi!
Jay what is your opinion in the difference between Magnapan .7is and 1.7is ? i have the space for them both and have decided to use a Hagel 390 to drive the speakers. Where i live, it is impossible for me to be able to try both speakers before making a decision to buy one of the Magnapan speakers
My .7 speakers like to be about 40% into the room, as far apart as possible. My room is 9' wide so they are within a few inches of the side walls. Replaced the stock stands with much better stands that place the speakers off the ground about 4 inches and straight up. They dissapear when I close my eyes.
Hello , I m very interested in this speaker. But I m not living in US or Canada. How should I order? I try to find their email address but can’t find any. Only have phone number. I m staying in Thailand the time difference n distance call make it not very easy. Can you help ? Thks.
CANT mount them? Or SHOULDN'T?? Don't challenge me. The shop owner where I bought my 1.6QR's had a pair of the 1.6 mounted on his ceiling as rear surrounds. Don't tell me can't lol
Love the cheap-in-the-U.S.A. XLR+ and I would buy them in Europe if only shipping and VAT would be added. But these are a pack more than TWICE the price here in Europe!!! What ridiculousness is that? 😢
Whaaaat? ... can't place them on the wall??? Thank you for such a good and helpful review. You included so much that most reviewers never mention. I have found that almost all speakers sound better with at least 3 feet from the front wall.
As an LRS owner, I want to assure you, you're thinking about it all right. They're tinker toys. If you don't feel like dicking around with speakers, beyond placing them "where they go" and tweaking the toe-in a little, these could be mighty annoying.
how would one know if a subwoofer is a good match for LRS? I currently have velodyne 1012xi .. is damping factor the spec I am zeroing on on? thanks in advance!
The LRS need a whole redesign to achieve something resembling an accurate and flat response which they don't have anything close to in their stock form. I tried a pair of LRS and they were so colored and irregular in response that I was shocked. I've heard so much better from Magnepan. It seems you have to spend more money on their bigger and better models.
Tiddles will not be allowed in the living/ listening room unaccompanied after i own a pair of maggies, training him with "No puss, NO!!" never worked long-term & the fitted inbuilt cloths covering the front baffle boards of my vintage floor-standers have been claw-strudeled to half-way up, at least there's only a wood-baffle board behind that area & not a precision tensioned cling-film 'like' sheet with etched-on conducting strips to be sliced quickly by guarantee-voiding sharp intrusions, no way, pussay, out!
Stop wasting your time and reserve comment until you know what your talking about. Speaking in concept rather than rattling off arbitrary "facts" makes one seem somewhat less ignorant. This would help you.
thank you it very helpful video but i want to know what the side wall distance should i place my room is 13foot wide and 21foot deep now i interesting in 3.7i and 1.7i
I love these speaker placement videos and I dream of owning maggies. Then I wake up and realise I live in London, and 6 feet away from the front wall there’s the back wall!
Trust me no need for 6 foot
Tru...Especially if using a defuser panel
Maybe the on wall Maggie's?
I have my 1.7 in a tiny room. I pull them out for listening and push them back when not in listening mode. It’s fine.
@@TeensierPython that would suckass. But that's the charm of owning Maggie's.
I have a set of MG-1 speakers I purchased a *long* time ago - almost 40 years maybe? I'll be married 37 years this year, and I bought them a year or two before getting married, so, yes, almost 40 years now. I *DO* have them mounted on the wall. Granted, I may give up a bit of quality - fair enough - but it can be done.
What I did was unscrew the base from the speakers, and then created four brackets out of oak. I mounted two bottom brackets so that the bottom of each MG-1 is about 16 inches from the floor. Interestingly enough, given the nature of the directionality of the sound, this was a benefit. I ran the cabling to a 2-gang box in the wall for each speaker, and then a third where they exit and are connected to my system. I added a powered sub-woofer as maggies are helped by this. Before connecting the speakers I set each in the bottom bracket and placed each top bracket in place and marked the wall. If I recall, I located each stud and set the screw into that. I wanted a solid connection in order to use what small amount of additional sound the wall might emit. I suspect not much but, hey, vibrations do travel.
Edit: I forgot to mention I was able to run the cables in the wall as my office was more like soon-to-be office and the walls had not been drywalled yet. You may not have that luxury, but if it's your place walls can easily be opened up and patched.
I work from home writing software and am at my desk a lot. Initially the speakers were behind me. I changed things around and the speakers are on my right side now so I have tuned the room with two other speakers a little. My office isn't an opera hall :) and this is good enough
I've thought about doing the same when I finish the last two rooms in my basement - one where we'll watch movies. The MG-1s, with their fabric and oak strips would look like decoration, but having somewhere around six would be pretty cool I'd think.
I noticed with the model you showed that the angled bracket was held on by a clearly visible screw.
I think if you could stand to violate the goal of audio perfection a little (not a slam AT ALL - I get why folks want this stuff right), you might find you like it.
Regards
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Part 2: How to Place Magnepans: ua-cam.com/video/d3IiH-SjhBE/v-deo.html
Part 3: How to amplify: ua-cam.com/video/fw_WSyI1LDI/v-deo.html
Jay, I've just received my latest, biggest tweak EVER for my LRSs. I got the Magna Riser Airborne stands. They utterly transformed the LRS into a bigger, fuller, clearer, more powerfully engaging speaker. Image grew in height, width, and massively in depth. I'm just dumbstruck. It's the best $235 I've ever spent. On ANYTHING related to HiFi. EVER. PLEASE give them a try, and maybe do a review on them. I can't possibly express how crazy good they are. Maybe you could do a review on them. So good. Soooooo good. Check them out!
Magnepans plan worked, I bought the lrs because I've always wanted to try a pair and at that price I could not argue. Those speakers were so good I ordered a pair of 3.7 I. The one setup thing I will offer is that I do not use the back wave of the magnepans. I operate out of a recording studio and I have absorption behind each speaker. Pretty amazing.
Rather than use 'tilt' for pointing the center of the speaker toward the center of the listening area (sweet spot), you might want to use the word 'toe in' or 'toe out' which is typical for that movement. 'Tilt' would be typically be the top of speaker moving forward or back while the bottom front edge is a fixed axis from which the top of the speaker moves in a rotational fashion (i,e, the clips on the back feet that change the angle of the speaker face toward the listening area).
I recently set up my new LRSs in a small space. The spacing was - after the fact - an exact equilateral triangle. Nice suggestion. Love your site.
This video was so insanely helpful. Cannot thank you enough. I'm getting a set of MGII-As and my space only has room for a triangle, and about 3ft from the walls with a corner placement, with about 10ft on each line on the triangle. I'm so relieved to hear that they should work fine.
Thank you for this great video. For my 1.7is, 5-6 feet out rather than 3 feet out makes a profound increase to the sound stage depth and instrument separation. Base drops off but a sub makes up for that.
This video reveals the golden rule: 6ft from wall = I live alone; 3ft from wall = I have a girlfriend; 0ft or no Magies at all = I’m married🤣
zeram01 I got a mg2 .. and a tympani 1 6 foot by about the same size wide 3 panels per side..
And I am very married 😂
It's really odd, because Maggies look like art work or furniture. Simplest, best looking speakers ever
Rather, 0 feet & no Maggies = i've got no balls because i'm a psychologically castrated hen-pecked husband. ARE WE NOT MEN ! ....dee ee vee o
Lesson of the day. Don't get married.
I hope that Wendell showed some appreciation for the work you have put into your Maggie videos... you have certainly put some $$$ in his pocket...you do a great job, and its nice to see someone young doing some audio reviews... Im 61... sometimes I get a little leary of all these people about my age talking about all these musical nuances...??? but I do appreciate all opinions!!!
This channel just gets better & better by the day!! This was by far one of the best speaker placement guides I have ever watched on UA-cam. IMHO there are far too many bla - bla -bla ers that spend hours and write books on ridiculous speaker placement methods. The Next best Thing Studio suggested methods for LRS set-up/placement will also work well with most other speakers (in my experience.) I always start with the "near field" placement 1st for reference. I will not bother experimenting with speaker placement until I believe I have the room acoustics all squared away, like acoustic panels and carpeting. In the end, I almost always wind up going back to near field placement.
+1 all the way - just what I was thinking of writing!
Thanks so much just got my first set of magneplanars and did not know about the serial numbers being left and right. Thanks
I think it important to add that the wall distance is more about achieving a flat bass response. This generally applies to all speakers, box or panel, but the di-pole design exacerbates room mode challenges. Placing them close to the wall will reinforce some bass frequencies while causing huge dips/cancellations/nulls in others. In an Open-baffle/ di-pole design, the bass freqs wrap around the panel causing cancellations, which is why panel speakers so often sound weak in the bass and require a huge diaphragm to produce bass comparable to a couple 6" woofers.
With Maggies, I found the best center imaging was achieved with the tweeters placed outboard -- strange considering Magnepan's recommendation.
I have not even heard your comment and already now it's going to be better as you have science. will watch to see.
Very nice video Jay. Maggies certainly are a unique speaker that rewards your careful placement within the room. I am a Magnepan dealer in the Carolinas and have both the .7 and 1.7 in my showroom. I will say that my personal preference is to sit a bit closer to the speakers than the recommended distance with the tweeters in the inside. To me this gives a wider lateral soundstage (almost a "wraparound" effect). I will also remind viewers that you should always toe-in your Maggies so that the bass section is closer to your ear than the tweeter. This preserves time coherency and will result in a better 3D image. Once you experience what these speakers can do, it is hard to go back to a traditional cone n' dome box speaker.
As a new owner of 1.7i I'm not sure I understand your toe-in advice. Mine are 40in off the front wall and 12 feet apart (120in projection screen) and I sit 12 feet away from them. My amp is a Parasound A21+. That's a triangle which would require me to toe-in at 45 degrees for time alignment if I understand correctly. I too like the tweeters to the inside for a more focused sound stage. Currently I have them at 25 degrees inward angle. Your thoughts on my room placement? Thanks
Hi Marty where in the Carolinas are you located? 👍
Hi, is the LRS+ close to the .7?
Where are you located still selling them
Great video! I started with the Cardas planar calculator recommendation and moved my speakers around from there. It takes a while to get it right but definitely worth it as no other speaker approaches what they can do for any reasonable price. If you want an easy jump in sound quality I highly recommend the "magnepan instant upgrade kit" from Verastarr/Mike Powell. It was like taking blankets off the speakers.
Well done, I haven’t yet tried the tweeters to the outside but certainly will as I find the sweet spot especially small but lovely. These are with no doubt the least fatiguing speakers I’ve ever heard. I’m especially sensitive to the reproduced female voice and find almost every speaker lacking except these. I still have a difficult time believing these are only $650 though I’ve heard the wait has increased to beyond four months but they are worth every minute you have to wait for these exceptional speakers.
Stevor Compton outside.. it’s actually recommended . And cross them just before the listening spot ... thank me later
Stop listening to female singer's.
Great job, man! I always enjoy your vids...... Sparks in Daytona
Never mentioned toe-in, which is important. I have the .7 Maggies and prefer them over the LRS+ but both are fantastic.
I stumbled on to your approach with my 1.7i. partly because i dont have the space. It works grt for me too. I do have acoustic panels on ceiling and sound absorbing material in the room.
I love your channel, but you just made me spend 650 dollars last Saturday from my audio guru guy (Ron@Northwoods Audio)! Just getting ready to sign up for your Patreon😁. Now going to have wait for that. Coming soon though
Had the LRS's a couple months, it was time to send them back or sell. Upgraded to 1.7i's, spread is wide 10.5ft@ctr. Added Jamo bookshelfs for the middle sound void 5.5ft@ctr. Nice 4" driver thump, 1.7i's on outside (tweets in) bring extra imaging to the sound wall.🎼👌😎 jamo concert series c 91 ii beat the LRS's by miles in clarity/imaging. IMO
Had the LRS's a couple months, it was time to send them back or sell. Upgraded to 1.7i's, spread is wide 10.5ft@ctr. Added Jamo bookshelfs for the middle sound void 5.5ft@ctr. Nice 4" driver thump, 1.7i's on outside (tweets in) bring extra imaging to the sound wall.🎼👌😎
@dino macioci Factory recommends 6ft apart, tweeters out. Spread is extra wide 10.5ftctr. Great room with vaulted ceiling. Wyred 4 Sound mAMP's w/DAC2v2.
I have owned the LRS's for 3 months. I have had a lot of speakers but these are the first Maggies. It takes a lot of setup time to get the speakers and room acoustics to lock in. Some of the aftermarket stands raise them up and also make them more vertical (more than the 'flippers'). The other thing you did not mention was the Magnepan recommendation that the tweeter be at least one inch further away than the base panel - being a direct measurement from the listening position. Getting the standout from the back wall, separation, listening distance, distance to tweeter, and tilt adjusted to the room takes time and is probably unique to each room. The reward is a large sound stage and deep imaging. There are still times I miss a traditional tweeter on some music but there are always trade-offs and this is a great speaker for the money.
For box speakers, closer to wall means more bottom end. It is the opposite with Magnepan and QUAD ESL.
This is an excellent video, keep up the outstanding work!
I have a few more weeks to go before my LRSs ship to me and I can’t wait! I’m going to have to set them up “Jay’s Way” because of the way my living room in my apartment is. With this set-up should the tweeters be on the outside or the inside??
Thank God you now have a new cameraman. Lol
Put my SMGa's on home made stands and did the same for my MMG's. Got them standing straight up.. 4-6' away from the back wall gives me plenty of bass..
My tip: try Audirvana with the SonEQ plugins.
More than a year ago I got a pair of Magnepan 0.7's. Bigger Magnepans could never fit into my little 500 square foot house and the 0.7 is the biggest model to use only quasi-ribbons. Pure ribbons are too fragile for me to trust them. I like SET amplifiers but a 45 triode is not powerful enough for the Magnepan so I use a 45 to transformer couple to the grid of an 833-A which at 1000 Volts is plenty of power for Magnepans to duplicate concert hall sound pressures and it sounds better than the solid state amplifier the store where I bought my speakers used to demonstrate the.
Since I got my Magnepans I have heard box speakers that cost as much as $75,000 and they can't approach the refinement and realism the Magnepans give me. I am spoiled now.
What kind of amperage are you drawing at moderate listening levels?
Non traditional. Exactly the way I have mine, with great results.
Stereophile Heresy! : An interior decorator has been asking me about using a single Magnepan LRS, as mono-speaker from ceiling or wall. The purpose of the speaker would be to spread background music and create an atmosphere (as alternative to ceiling and boxed speakers)
Might I suggest you time align the Maggie’s? When you do & listen to them for the first time.... it like mind blown! 🤯 it makes a great speaker even greater! Thanks for the video! Also you might wanna try removing the resistors & put in a silver bus bar, again a good sound improvement, can’t wait for the next one!
Using the measuring tape and level laser to toe in, I was able to achieve "what you call time align" , the sound is wonderful and 3-D.
What is time-align?
I have hung a mmg side ways from the ceiling as a center channel worked Fine
Thank you.
It is advised that bookshelf tweeters are supposed to be at ear level. Therefore are they and over models of Maggies always supposed to be on the floor? Should you prop up the LRS to be higher on the Z axis and if so, how did that impact the sound? Thanks and great video again!
Its a line source. Not a point source. There is no need to prop up the floor.
Great work on this video. People will find this helpful!
1:07 - which is it? - the front or back wall?
1. I've read/heard both ... But my take is ... It's the FRONT wall. It's from the orientation of you/seated position in the room.
Front speakers are closer to the front wall (in front of you).
Rear speakers are typically on the back wall (behind you).
2. I think HiFi should 'borrow' some terms from aviation ...
Toe-in = YAW (rotation on the vertical Y(up/down) axis - nose left/right)
Tilt = PITCH (rotation on the horizontal X(left/right) axis - nose up/down)
ROLL in audio should be left to RockNRoll.
3. Ideally your seated position should be well off of the back wall.
Well. You can tell from the context and my gesture + measurement that im clearly talking about the wall behind the speakers !
@@Jayiyagi I appreciate your channel and insights Jay. I just think that wrt speaker placement that wall should always be referred to as the front wall.
Very helpful. Good job.
Try Analysis Audio, heard their planars are superior and do not require tons and tons of amplification
I just read al the reactions here. The placement depends of the room sizes, the acoustics, the equipment, your ears. My 0.5 sounds great, my 1.6 gives a way to much high's. It can be difficult speakers. I don't know if the X-overs are rebuild, of them.
thank you.
Thanks Jay for this informative video! I just received my pair of LRS and am experimenting with placing. Do you also still have the tweeters to the outside if you're only sitting 6-8feet away like in your second placement option?
Can these speakers be used in the middle of the room?
Bit confused watching you measure how far apart they are, as you seemed to be saying one thing while doing another. Where exactly do you put the tape measure?
thank you it very helpful video
but i want to know what the side wall distance should i place
my room is 13foot wide and 21foot deep
Jay is Smart. Is anyone selling a Pair?
Good video Jay! Do you think that the Parasound 200 integrated amp is sufficient to power these? Thank you.
With magna risers able to place closer to the wall for more bass tone, also cryogenically jumper wire, replace wire fuse.
@@shahidyt Yes, have the Ascension Stands. 1.7i's, 6.5ft@ctr, tweets out. 21" x 25" from back wall. Join the Magnepan Users Group on Facebook.
I placed mine with the tweeters on the outside. And 4 1/2 feet away from the wall. And toed in 15 degrees. 6.5 feet apart.
I like the speakers tilted.
May I ask what front end are you driving the speakers with?
Cool g-ette
Have you tried any of the stands that people swear by or are you rolling with stock setup?
hey soulsick is the hegel h80 can drive that mags properly?
He’s a nice Guy
Good Video, Thanks
Is it possible to place subwoofers directly behind the LRS? Will the airflow disrupt the LRS response?
Good question
Would this set up guide also work for 3.7i's?
What was the secret? By the way just as important as speaker separation from the wall is rear wall separation from the listener.
Very informative.. I wanted these but looks like they won't work in my space... Thanks
And that’s why Maggies will always be a speaker that will appeal to a customer with a limited type of living space. For some of us, even 3 feet away puts them uncomfortably close to the listener, and if that’s the absolute minimum, there’s no room for further placement.
Hello again Jay! Just wondering if you would consider a review/video comparing and contrasting these Magni LRS’s VS the Klipsh r8000f’s they’re close in price but very different and I’ve been wondering how they would compare as mains in a multi channel system. Thanks for all the awesome reviews! I’m always looking forward to your latest take on what’s up I the world of Hi-Fi!
Jay what is your opinion in the difference between Magnapan .7is and 1.7is ?
i have the space for them both and have decided to use a Hagel 390 to drive the speakers. Where i live, it is impossible for me to be able to try both speakers before making a decision to buy one of the Magnapan speakers
My .7 speakers like to be about 40% into the room, as far apart as possible. My room is 9' wide so they are within a few inches of the side walls. Replaced the stock stands with much better stands that place the speakers off the ground about 4 inches and straight up. They dissapear when I close my eyes.
What stands did you replace them with?
They came with the optional oval stands and I replaced them with Magnerisers Aero. Money well spent.
Good job!
Hi J, blessed new year. Could we reduce the distance of the LRS from the wall if we have like, GIKacoustics Monster bass traps behind it? Thanks. Ray
Thanks for this! I have Magnepan 1.7i. Any tips for the larger size?
Yeah, get the LRS and a pair of REL T5i and use monoblock amps.
Hello ,
I m very interested in this speaker. But I m not living in US or Canada. How should I order? I try to find their email address but can’t find any. Only have phone number. I m staying in Thailand the time difference n distance call make it not very easy. Can you help ? Thks.
6' from the wall provides reinforcement of the sound at about 94 Hz. (1,125 ft/sec)/12 ft = 94Hz
X2/arcsin(-∆)?
Jay what is your setup? I can see what looks like an Aurender. What else? Thanks
What about having sound deadening panels or heavy curtains behind the LRSs, if you can't quite manage to get 3 or 3½ feet behind them?
That can work too if you are willing to work a little to get it right
Hi Jay, can you please advise of 3 amp options to suit these speakers around $3k? Or the best amp for them that's not crazy expensive like Macintosh
OCD Mike uses Kinki Studio EX-M1 (integrated), Kinki Studio EX-M7 (power amp version) will work even slightly better. Both under 3,000 Euro.
@@connorduke4619 thank you :)
Would a Hegel H95 power a Magnepan 1.7i
How about a false wall about six feet out that is covered with speaker cloth?
CANT mount them? Or SHOULDN'T?? Don't challenge me. The shop owner where I bought my 1.6QR's had a pair of the 1.6 mounted on his ceiling as rear surrounds. Don't tell me can't lol
You shouldn’t and Magnepan will tell you the same. They have other models for on-wall applications
What if highs, like cymbals, are lacking? Would a more powerful amp help on MMGs?
Greg Martyn always, Maggie’s love power the more the more stable they play
Love the cheap-in-the-U.S.A. XLR+ and I would buy them in Europe if only shipping and VAT would be added. But these are a pack more than TWICE the price here in Europe!!! What ridiculousness is that? 😢
Whaaaat? ... can't place them on the wall???
Thank you for such a good and helpful review. You included so much that most reviewers never mention.
I have found that almost all speakers sound better with at least 3 feet from the front wall.
Martin Logan Electrostatic wall mount some very exceptional speakers. Not exactly what your looking at but hard to beat in many ways
Thank for the video. Now I realize there’s too much bs with these. I’m going to go with the Ohm Walsh 2000’s.
Dan Montenegro great speaker , very unique . Don’t let this video shy you away from a magnepan tho.
The 6foot rule is complete nonsense..
As an LRS owner, I want to assure you, you're thinking about it all right. They're tinker toys. If you don't feel like dicking around with speakers, beyond placing them "where they go" and tweaking the toe-in a little, these could be mighty annoying.
how would one know if a subwoofer is a good match for LRS? I currently have velodyne 1012xi .. is damping factor the spec I am zeroing on on? thanks in advance!
I'm looking at GR Research open baffle servo control subs. It's fast bass that plays down to 20hz.
i find they are not power like say 100 watts more like electric like naim amps ...current
I want you to say "Hello, Mr. Braithwaite" in one of your videos.
The LRS need a whole redesign to achieve something resembling an accurate and flat response which they don't have anything close to in their stock form. I tried a pair of LRS and they were so colored and irregular in response that I was shocked. I've heard so much better from Magnepan. It seems you have to spend more money on their bigger and better models.
Tiddles will not be allowed in the living/ listening room unaccompanied after i own a pair of maggies, training him with "No puss, NO!!" never worked long-term & the fitted inbuilt cloths covering the front baffle boards of my vintage floor-standers have been claw-strudeled to half-way up, at least there's only a wood-baffle board behind that area & not a precision tensioned cling-film 'like' sheet with etched-on conducting strips to be sliced quickly by guarantee-voiding sharp intrusions, no way, pussay, out!
Declaw...
Where's the secret?
why hasn't the Technics SLG-700 SACD player been reviewed? It's the least expensive HQ SACD player with XLRs that Im aware of
Not many people care
Stop wasting your time and reserve comment until you know what your talking about. Speaking in concept rather than rattling off arbitrary "facts" makes one seem somewhat less ignorant. This would help you.
@ 3:40 comb filter
Only my friends call me Abbie...
these speakers are not good with kids in the house. i can see them getting knocked over quite easily.....
Centymeter pls.
10ms rule.
I guess it’s not a secret anymore...
Never was
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other side of your country is full of hunger.. the world is sick.
thank you it very helpful video
but i want to know what the side wall distance should i place
my room is 13foot wide and 21foot deep
now i interesting in 3.7i and 1.7i