Jeon Wonwoo being babied by seventeen uwu

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  • Опубліковано 22 кві 2019
  • he is babie!!!!!! and svt agrees!!!!!!
    #Wonwoo #원우 # seventeen #세븐틴
    I do not own any of the videos used, only edit is mine
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    www.vlive.tv/video/63662
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    / 1109692987947122688
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  • @jeontv6490
    @jeontv6490  5 років тому +337

    Here's part 2 guys! enjoy! ua-cam.com/video/PFqd_Orsecw/v-deo.html

  • @Ravenstar2296
    @Ravenstar2296 5 років тому +6472

    HE BARELY ASKS. HE STRUGGLES FOR LIKE 5 SECONDS AND THEN EVERYONE JUST JUMPS TO HELP

    • @jenel_le
      @jenel_le 4 роки тому +127

      FACT

    • @makgeolli5657
      @makgeolli5657 4 роки тому +287

      He either scary or babie

    • @sussygens6097
      @sussygens6097 3 роки тому +73

      That's a fact. Ofc because they love him~😏

    • @sussygens6097
      @sussygens6097 3 роки тому +25

      @japan iraq scary babie

    • @whitepeonies3877
      @whitepeonies3877 2 роки тому +18

      This is me, struggling by myself but nobody's asking or helping 😂
      Wonu just remind me of myself so much

  • @user-ys1qh5tn4y
    @user-ys1qh5tn4y 5 років тому +5791

    Wonu : I CAN DO IT ALL ALONE
    Also wonu in kitten eyes : guys (。ŏ﹏ŏ)

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому +141

      Allisya Pebi Maharani AJSHSJAHS he is a baby!!!!!!!!

    • @quanzy121
      @quanzy121 4 роки тому +33

      In kitten eyes 😂😂😂

  • @mageniskala
    @mageniskala 5 років тому +4190

    first, they respect him
    second, they care him
    third, they love him

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому +53

      Mage Niskala awww this is so sweet and true :’)))

  • @bsk319
    @bsk319 5 років тому +5976

    wonu is cheol's babie. periodt.

  • @wonyu
    @wonyu 5 років тому +5294

    Doesnt matter if you are older or younger than Wonwoo. Wonwoo is the REAL BABY

  • @bunnielines
    @bunnielines 5 років тому +7185

    Seungcheol: "Let me take care of our daughter."
    Hoshi: "I'll help!"
    Seungkwan: "I'll help!"
    Jeonghan: "I'll help!"
    Jun: "I'll help!"
    Mingyu: "I'll help!"
    DK: "I'll help!"
    The8: "I'll help!"
    Wonwoo: "I can do it by myself!"
    5 minutes later...
    Wonwoo: " G-guys..can someon-
    ALL SEVENTEEN MEMBERS: "SURE!"

    • @aneezamazhar7860
      @aneezamazhar7860 5 років тому +164

      Lmao😂 they're so supportive💖💖💖💖❤❤❤❤

    • @erwinanggraeni3151
      @erwinanggraeni3151 5 років тому +86

      this is so relatable . i hate it 🤣

    • @jingjing6507
      @jingjing6507 5 років тому +43

      Your icon makes me wanna watch lbc again

    • @franklin13_17
      @franklin13_17 4 роки тому +17

      Daughter?

    • @vivalavaganza
      @vivalavaganza 4 роки тому +92

      @@franklin13_17 it's just a joke, probably SVT considering Wonwoo as a 'daughter' (not biologically)

  • @helayh4617
    @helayh4617 5 років тому +2916

    Wonwoo not being able to do something on his own for 6 minutes straight

  • @wonyu
    @wonyu 5 років тому +2952

    2:57 Gotta say this is my favourite part. I mean TWO MEMBERS JUST CAME RUNNING IN A SPLIT SECOND. How I wish I have people wrapped around my fingers like that hahaha. Also Jun ditching Dokyeom to help Wonwoo will forever be iconic

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому +184

      seventeen is whipped for wonwoo as they should be!

    • @rinpuii6804
      @rinpuii6804 5 років тому +120

      Yeah his husband and dad stepped up for him... Uwu

    • @purple_feels6138
      @purple_feels6138 2 роки тому +1

      That was so heartwarming 😌🥺

  • @yuka5470
    @yuka5470 5 років тому +2100

    I almost want to believe that wonwoo is the actual princess in the group lol he totally looks like a helpless kitten waking everyone's motherhood feeling XD

    • @Hellokitty_391
      @Hellokitty_391 2 роки тому +45

      @Nicole Chavez there was a moment when wonwoo pretending eating an apple and suddenly throw himself towards mingyu lol snow white behaviour

    • @solaraokiuri9351
      @solaraokiuri9351 2 роки тому +10

      But right now he's being corrupted in GoSe. 🤧 lol

  • @kiralor3072
    @kiralor3072 5 років тому +1748

    this is wonwoo's world and we're all just simply living in it

  • @lokesux7692
    @lokesux7692 5 років тому +3182

    “wonwoo has a lot of aegyo” - 95line

  • @reginacastillo8593
    @reginacastillo8593 5 років тому +1950

    This should he called Wonu Is Seventeen's Baby (Specially S.coups)

  • @victimofbiaswrecker1705
    @victimofbiaswrecker1705 5 років тому +3782

    I think wonwoo might have the weakest health among svt that's why they are being careful about him. And he is basically really the type that needs someone else's help.
    There is another one when Hoshi put on a jacket for him in one of Dingo's video.

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому +219

      VictimOfBiasWrecker oooo i should have added that! maybe a part 2? 🤔

    • @nursyafiqah2565
      @nursyafiqah2565 5 років тому +38

      VictimOfBiasWrecker omg where can i watch this

    • @nursyafiqah2565
      @nursyafiqah2565 5 років тому +28

      jeon tv part 2 please💕💕

    • @victimofbiaswrecker1705
      @victimofbiaswrecker1705 5 років тому +95

      Okay I should correct this as wonwoo fixing hoshi's jacket... So sorry guys getting you all excited for false information 😅😅😅

    • @thesoonyoungtohoshi0615
      @thesoonyoungtohoshi0615 5 років тому +595

      I don't know Wonwoo personally but yeah, I think, health-wise, he's the weakest. I remember Hoshi once reminded him to never stop eating veggie crackers.
      And he got this "sexy-when-sick" trademark from his co-members so that just gives me the notion that he's often unwell for his members to notice it and give him that trademark.
      And also, I think, it's because he's some kind of an introvert. If compared to the whole of SVT, he's the quietest and the most reserved so maybe, his members feel like they need to actively step up to boost Wonwoo's confidence publicly.

  • @aisyahristiamini3117
    @aisyahristiamini3117 5 років тому +1402

    The tittle should be
    "Daddy Cheol taking care of Baby Jeon"

  • @Ravenstar2296
    @Ravenstar2296 5 років тому +700

    Im not sure when it started but at one point, probably when Minghao became more comfortable with communicating, he started to really bond and take care of Wonwoo like patting his neck, fixing his clothes and just finding him generally adorable. It's really intriguing

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому +70

      Ravenstar2296 i agree! i think minghao became generally more caring and attentive towards all the other members too

  • @gardenfairy653
    @gardenfairy653 5 років тому +2738

    hmm I just want to add some cute information about Mingyu babying Wonwoo 24/7 because this video showed only one tiny example of these two when there's WAY MORE:
    - Wonwoo saying Mingyu legit FEEDS him noodles when he's gaming. HE FEEDS HIM.
    - Wonwoo telling us that Mingyu set up his desktop computer for him
    - Mingyu fixing wonwoo's collar / shirt / belt on multiple occasions (there's at least 5 examples)
    - Mingyu being Wonwoo's personal hair fixer / stylist. No other members fixes wonwoo's hair more.
    Also wonwoo straight up in an interview said that "Mingyu is his dongsaeng that takes care of him the most". Anyway, still love the video, just wanted to add more of ww being babied haha

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому +119

      hey, thanks for the cute info! sorry i missed out so many moments 😓 i was thinking of making a part 2 for this video tho so maybe ill add all this in next time! thank you! ❤️

    • @tiffanydew8865
      @tiffanydew8865 5 років тому +78

      My meanie hearteuuuu ❤❤❤

    • @hanahnguyen4453
      @hanahnguyen4453 5 років тому +13

      do have any specific links?

    • @arathania9655
      @arathania9655 5 років тому +8

      🥺💖

    • @yoonjipark3083
      @yoonjipark3083 5 років тому +18

      m-meanie-

  • @ashleygamis4887
    @ashleygamis4887 4 роки тому +265

    wonwoo: **smiles**
    svt members: yes, what do you want?
    wonwoo: i just smi-
    svt members: oh shut up you deserve the world

  • @chso2776
    @chso2776 5 років тому +495

    These men must be the wonu protection squad 3:01

  • @spiritlee4427
    @spiritlee4427 5 років тому +748

    So basically this video shows how seungcheol takes care of wonu

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому +19

      yup thats pretty much 90% of the video lmao

  • @jenxne
    @jenxne 5 років тому +296

    5:21 the way wonu pointed how jeonghan babies him when dokyeom looked at him i mIGHT HAVE BUSTED ALL MY UWUS

  • @idealhoshi
    @idealhoshi 5 років тому +447

    he may look cold but he's a total babie >< breathe if u agree

  • @chimchiminthehouse9138
    @chimchiminthehouse9138 5 років тому +427

    5:15
    coups and jun be like to jeonghan
    "am i a joke to you?"

    • @hepsibethquintero3676
      @hepsibethquintero3676 4 роки тому +3

      jajajajajajajajajajj te amo desastre y amo todos tus desastres jajajajajaj no estoy llorando y me encantan tus bromas¿¿ jajajjaajajaja me encanto el video , gracias al propietatario o dueño jajajajajajajaja .

  • @user-dr5yj3hg5d
    @user-dr5yj3hg5d 3 роки тому +91

    the way cheol and gyu immediately sprung up from their seats to help wonwoo adjust the mic is amusing 🤣

  • @zeeeealex
    @zeeeealex 5 років тому +406

    wonwoo is recently wrecking my bias list and yet i am watching videos like these at 3am i am soft

  • @nunananonu
    @nunananonu 5 років тому +223

    I love how seventeen members take care about Wonu. because they know wonu is still a baby

  • @turningoutthelights5645
    @turningoutthelights5645 4 роки тому +43

    Wonwoo is the kind of person who struggles to ask for help, and it’s so nice to see that he fits in so well in Seventeen as everyone knows how to take care of him. I think Wonwoo neglects his health sometimes and puts his attention to make others feel comfortable and happy, but the members make sure that he is well taken care of. He overworks himself and is obviously very perfectionistic, but when his mental health deteriorates he is in pain quietly because he feels like he would be a burden. I really wish I had friends like the members. They’re seriously so cute😭

  • @sitinuranisa5556
    @sitinuranisa5556 5 років тому +71

    2:11 "lord forbid he does it himself"
    I laugh so hard coz it so true 😭😭👌

  • @Purok_2369
    @Purok_2369 5 років тому +177

    The amount of WonHui moments at the beginning ahhh my OTP💘😻

  • @dacmonalds1553
    @dacmonalds1553 5 років тому +98

    3:00 when ur bf is tryna look "the one" to ur dad lol

  • @Purok_2369
    @Purok_2369 5 років тому +193

    Daddy Cheol is such a daddy 😍💘

  • @thisloveisgoodthisloveisba5297
    @thisloveisgoodthisloveisba5297 4 роки тому +58

    People say Wonwoo is cold. Wonwoo says he thinks it's because of His sharp eyes.
    This is proof that Wonwoo is warm .

  • @jijijasie
    @jijijasie 5 років тому +133

    omg you could honestly see how mingyu look multiple times at wonwoo sitting on Jun's lap. And that awkward smile and laugh tho HAHAHA
    Opposite to when Jeonghan was caressing Wonwoo and Wonwoo's arm on Jeonghan's lap, Mingyu looked once at them and avoided eye-contact after. Mingyu literally was avoiding to get jealous, when in fact he already was.

  • @xoxo6214
    @xoxo6214 5 років тому +100

    this is like 90% seungcheol being a daddy for wonwoo lMAO im so jealous IT'S SO CUTE

  • @mingiclouds6633
    @mingiclouds6633 5 років тому +132

    OMG HE'S THEIR BABY!!! I mean he radiates baby energy so it's normal to want to protect him and take care of him unconsciously. Seriously I love how everyone loves Wonwoo and I love the fact that I love him so much I'M 😞 👉👈 ❣️

  • @christinemarquez1563
    @christinemarquez1563 4 роки тому +56

    he's like... an overly large and affectionate housecat

  • @chiaram1877
    @chiaram1877 5 років тому +226

    this video should be called “cheol babying his son”. everyone would get what we mean

  • @sherrywang2274
    @sherrywang2274 5 років тому +69

    Wonu has so MANY BEING BABIED INCIDENTS...istg, this kid❤❤❤❤❤ i luv when wonu whines😂 such a cutie. And i forever stan papa coups w his baby wonu

  • @user-mn3tr7zr3p
    @user-mn3tr7zr3p 5 років тому +496

    2:00 That is actually really really sweet
    Wonwoo is such a baby I'm gonna cry from being attacked from all his softness

    • @cutzzndnutzz.98
      @cutzzndnutzz.98 13 днів тому +1

      What if mingyu asked for that seat, they'll never let him sit😂😂😅

  • @lilizuliena
    @lilizuliena 5 років тому +69

    aww cheol is so sweet 😭💕

  • @maisumochi18
    @maisumochi18 4 роки тому +25

    Scoups=Dad
    Jeonghan=Mom
    Wonwoo=Baby
    Other members=Big brothers

  • @winwinsonlylinesinboss
    @winwinsonlylinesinboss 3 роки тому +34

    i remember in an interview this year, I remember Shua having to describe every one and he said wonu is a very cute friend. i can definitely see it in him that wonu is softie with great stage charisma.

  • @91989vibe
    @91989vibe 5 років тому +56

    wonu is such a fragile child i love him ㅠㅠ

  • @Sunny-tf1gn
    @Sunny-tf1gn 4 роки тому +26

    3:51 Hoshi gently stroking his head was so cute 🥺 then seungkwan giving him a hug at the show 🥺🥺

  • @starlightredbean9054
    @starlightredbean9054 4 роки тому +10

    Wonwoo being baby with 95-line is so cute

  • @lola8292
    @lola8292 3 роки тому +23

    Can we talk about how coups cares for him SO MUCH like he’s literally in almost every clip... what a leader:)

  • @sheilamarie1132
    @sheilamarie1132 Рік тому +3

    Who wouldn't? Wonu is really a kitten dressed as fox. Our forever baby~~~

  • @thisloveisgoodthisloveisba5297
    @thisloveisgoodthisloveisba5297 4 роки тому +24

    Wonwoo is the REAL BB OF SVT.

  • @svt_carat307
    @svt_carat307 Рік тому +10

    He is literal prince in seventeen ...nobody harass him ever, don't know why but he have a kind of personality which wants you to love him, forgive him, help him out, look for him. He is just sitting and everyone is whipped for him lol

  • @hahababy6581
    @hahababy6581 4 роки тому +20

    3:02 reminds me of that "Daddy can you pass me the salt?" and both the father and the boyfriend reach for the salt meme thing lmao

  • @leedonghyuck6479
    @leedonghyuck6479 5 років тому +14

    wonwoo: *breaths*
    me: YOU ARE SO CUTE I LOVE U

  • @kwonhoeshi79
    @kwonhoeshi79 3 роки тому +12

    The way they treat wonu and mingyu is like night and day 😂

  • @Pixio12
    @Pixio12 4 роки тому +24

    Awww they are so sweet to him. He’s not even the youngest in the group 😂 😂

  • @DOsWife-vq3hd
    @DOsWife-vq3hd 5 років тому +54

    It's so satisfaying seeing my bias wrecker Coups helping my bias Wonu 😍😍😍😍 my loves ❤❤

  • @aimshhh
    @aimshhh 5 років тому +24

    wonwoo is a babyyyy😭😭❤️❤️❤️

  • @jeontv6490
    @jeontv6490  5 років тому +285

    should i do hoshi being babied next or a part 2 of wonwoo being babied? 🤔🤔🤔

  • @justacarat2638
    @justacarat2638 4 роки тому +13

    3:51 when hoshi lovingly pat wonwoo's head after giving up his chair for wonwoo to sit, I cried😭😭😭 wonwoo is so precious and hoshi is so loving >< they are melting my heart❤ I love them so much

  • @chrisi4070
    @chrisi4070 4 роки тому +16

    everyone’s so sweet when it comes to wonwoo 😭♥️
    jeonghan and wonwoo = couple goals 😂

  • @mwcshk113
    @mwcshk113 5 років тому +26

    awww this is so adorable *WONU IS SO ADORABLE* i never actually noticed how babie he was until this bc mingyu takes most of my attention as always

  • @naleerat
    @naleerat 5 років тому +66

    Wonwoo so adorable. Thank you for cute video

    • @jeontv6490
      @jeontv6490  5 років тому

      Lord LoveTH he is the cutest :( thank you for enjoying my video!!

  • @yooobae4304
    @yooobae4304 4 роки тому +10

    3:20 that sweater paws will be the death of me

  • @meanpeley6333
    @meanpeley6333 4 роки тому +10

    2:37 s.coups mama teaching how to dance his little wonu 😂😂😂

  • @chansmile226
    @chansmile226 5 років тому +82

    He is a baby and someone should feed him something he is so skinny T.T

  • @tinyyy840
    @tinyyy840 5 років тому +15

    Uri Sungcheol being the best caring father, while the rest of the sebongs are his really helpful, sweet and and also caring too siblings 😭💕

  • @dkyeomz
    @dkyeomz 5 років тому +40

    he’s rlly babie huh 💗__💗i’m gonna need this to be a series

  • @kimchibibi1718
    @kimchibibi1718 5 років тому +23

    Jeonghan and wonwoo- LET ME BE ONE OF THEM JUST FOR A WHILE

  • @kimbapkidding8487
    @kimbapkidding8487 2 роки тому +8

    4:37 The way Mingyu's straight-up ignoring the Carat in front of him to take care of Wonwoo. We all know his real priorities, no matter what he says. 😭😭😭

  • @marteenyo
    @marteenyo 4 роки тому +10

    “don’t baby your ult”
    meanwhile his members:

  • @dorkydefsoul2367
    @dorkydefsoul2367 4 роки тому +7

    seungcheol is THAT kind of guy huh??? how can i not love him??🥺💚

  • @Broccolaicy
    @Broccolaicy 4 роки тому +8

    I noticed this after wonwoo got sick and had to sit out the whole promotions (aju nice era), they were extra careful with him. When he could appear in a vlive, mingyu shifted the camera to wonu actually covering i think himself and one of the 97 liners face cause he knew fans needed to see he was doing fine.

  • @seventeensprincess1119
    @seventeensprincess1119 5 років тому +19

    Wonwoo is indeed a baby!!!😍😍😍

  • @flopy808varillas
    @flopy808varillas 4 роки тому +22

    3:01 Wonu squad xdxd
    Dad and Boyfriend to the rescue LMAO

  • @baitabeo7753
    @baitabeo7753 Рік тому +2

    Seventeen really is funny group...where members doesn't treat eachother with ages difference 😂😂😂

  • @myaaoml
    @myaaoml 4 роки тому +6

    That's why I love scoups .. he such a great dad .. and other member too .. taking care lil wonwoo 🧸♥️

  • @shayamolimagogoi7950
    @shayamolimagogoi7950 5 років тому +42

    5:23
    Jeonghan is petting Wonu. Wonu looking at Dokyeom and pointing at his neck. 😂
    Also, Wonu is really a cat. 😭💓

  • @HaiWorldz
    @HaiWorldz 4 роки тому +20

    I don’t know if I’m in love with wonwoo or if I want to be wonwoo getting pampered and taken care of qwq

    • @HaiWorldz
      @HaiWorldz 4 роки тому

      Maybe it’s a combination of both 😭

    • @asmrlowkey5043
      @asmrlowkey5043 2 роки тому

      Exactly! I am someone who always need other's help as well and i kinda hate that about me, so im trying to change but it just comes naturally. Seeing wonwoo like that makes me think whats gonna happen if i have a bf like that? We are both gonna be helpless😂😂

  • @hanahanamogo
    @hanahanamogo 5 років тому +2

    JEON WONU JUST LIKE BEING BABIED

  • @cheekee1909
    @cheekee1909 3 роки тому +6

    4:52 mother & son moment

  • @starlightredbean9054
    @starlightredbean9054 4 роки тому +5

    Other : don't babying your idol
    SEVENTEEN : babying Wonwoo

  • @iMmariko001
    @iMmariko001 5 років тому +30

    Hahahaha he is the cutest baby I want to take care of 💜😙

  • @chyntiaputri5505
    @chyntiaputri5505 4 роки тому +5

    5:10 Jeonghan patting a cat. YEP

  • @46Nekomaru
    @46Nekomaru 4 роки тому +6

    DINO somewhere in the back : "AND Y'ALL CALL ME BABY?? LOOK AT THIS!!"

  • @ShinyBusterBaby
    @ShinyBusterBaby 5 років тому +28

    In conclusion... he needs to be wrapped in bubble wrap for maximum protection! So cute!!!

  • @ainahye
    @ainahye 4 роки тому +8

    Seventeen members have soft spot for wonwoo especially S.coups and mingyu 🥰🥰

  • @maryannetherese7887
    @maryannetherese7887 5 років тому +14

    He looks so cute while playing PIU.

  • @kei-wd3in
    @kei-wd3in 5 років тому +8

    Wonwoo is seventeen's pet cat

  • @ab.c
    @ab.c 4 роки тому +6

    The hidden maknae

  • @_jjtt9066
    @_jjtt9066 3 роки тому +2

    aaww thats why jeonghan cried for 2hours when wonwoo is sick 🤧

  • @imtoto813
    @imtoto813 4 роки тому +12

    I'm always half expecting them to just pet his head after helping him with something

  • @Annahedgehog28
    @Annahedgehog28 4 роки тому +4

    Everyone is whipped for wonwoo

  • @z1m4_
    @z1m4_ 3 роки тому +4

    The fact that you slapped a *"uwu"* in the title

  • @Diadiamond_
    @Diadiamond_ 5 років тому +24

    If only I could tattoo this on me

  • @saharaucqtee8564
    @saharaucqtee8564 4 роки тому +4

    Came here coz of a twt saying wonwoo babying 95 line

  • @sussygens6097
    @sussygens6097 3 роки тому +3

    Scoups the real dad🤣 I'm crying (for the very first time 🙄)

  • @shuhao2817
    @shuhao2817 3 роки тому +3

    In short wonwoo is scoup's baby

  • @alexanielo1420
    @alexanielo1420 5 років тому +9

    Coup's really taking care of our jeon actor 💕

  • @naraira__1397
    @naraira__1397 5 років тому +54

    Wonwoo isn't the maknae and I know he often get sick easily, he's so lucky to have hyungs and younger brothers that can take care of him well. SVT and BTS are the best boy group ever

    • @mahinmahboobrose1169
      @mahinmahboobrose1169 Рік тому

      I dk why I think that Jk and Wonwoo have many similarities like their band members take caring them , introvert etc like Suga is also an introvert person but I didn't find many similarities of him and wonwoo than Jk.

    • @mahinmahboobrose1169
      @mahinmahboobrose1169 Рік тому

      Well said

  • @sese.s8003
    @sese.s8003 4 роки тому +5

    S.coups is so CUTE he is the best leader ☹️😭💕💕

  • @karynaayu2507
    @karynaayu2507 3 роки тому +5

    him playing DDR is the purest thing i've ever seen. that's a wholeass baby.

  • @808BLAddict
    @808BLAddict 4 роки тому +6

    From this video I can conclude that S. Coups favorite member is definitely Wonwoo... Anyone else agrees?