I've gotten both endings before, but fuck, sometimes you just gotta hear Otacon remind you that life can just fucking suck, but that doesn't mean you should give up and die. Thanks Hal.
I finally completed this game recently - I;ve never managed it before, despite having played it on and off since it's release. Octacons words couldnt have come at a better time.
I love both endings. But yeah, even though this is considered the “bad ending” it’s still a good and meaningful ending. Life doesn’t just end after the person you love dies. That can happen and your own life shouldn’t just end because of that. Snake looking for a new purpose is the right answer.
This is how bad endings should be, just another way for the story to end. The writers gave both endings love; they actually wanted people to get this ending, and to still be satisfied.
I actually prefer this ending to the canon one. I feel like Snake and Otacon are a stronger team with a more satisfying payoff in the future games. I really like their unlikely friendship between nerd and brute, plus the NG+ reward of stealth camo is way cooler than infinite ammo. Having the badass and independent Snake grief over the loss of Meryl and doubt himself felt like massive development for the character. Meanwhile the happy ending felt a bit..."textbook" imo. Not bad but nothing unusual. Even if you do ship Snake and Meryl, MGS4 kinda ruined that so looking back i prefer this ending setting up future adventures with the two bros, rather than being teased with two characters breaking up off screen.
I think Snake not being able to save Meryl made for a better story and showed who we thought to be an unstoppable badass to be just a sad man, like what MGS3 did with the Boss
While I do like the content within the Otacon Ending, this implies that Snake wasn't tough enough to survive the torture, and I'd like to believe he'd be able to do that since he survives a microwave in MGS4.
@@They_are_Arthur i like the Otacon ending more but usually go for the Meryl ending to make it fit better with MGS4. But like you’re saying, the fact that Snake wasn’t this ustoppable, emotionless badass gave him more character.
@@casperpettersson358 I like it when Snake toughs his way through everything. He's the inferior clone of Big Boss yet he makes it through the worst stuff and I think that's inspiring.
I know this is 3 years old, but I'd argue that him *saving* Meryl is the first genuine distinction between him and Big Boss, and thus, the first step on his path to being more than his genetic code. So yes, *Big Boss* would've failed, but not *David* .
I know David Hayter (actor who does Snake's voice) and other fans don't like this ending much, but I like it and here's why. Snake and Otacon are connected when you look at it in hindsight, both were loners and had their skepticisms and reservations about people. Snake was a cynic who experienced the trauma of his mentor (Big Boss) and best friend (Gray Fox) betraying him, which caused him to withdraw to Alaska where he could be alone. Otacon was scared of people because he could never really understand them, but after meeting Snake (and Sniper Wolf) he begins to open up to them. Snake and Otacon don't need to have a romance, but you can see what a beautiful friendship it is they have.
Given how snake and Otacon work together in MGS2, I like to believe that this ending is canon, regardless of the torture, but that Meryl survives, for MGS4
I high key prefer this ending. I enjoyed Meryl as a side character but she doesn’t pull off main character as well as Otacon does, and this scene both has its own emotional aspect of picking the player up with Otacon’s moving words, and mirroring earlier in the story where Snake helped Otacon the sane way. Games are the only medium that can make me connect to characters like this, and Otacon feels like a true friend in scenes like this. Scenes I wish were cannon
we still get to expirience it!, i like to think that between 1-2-4 they had moments just like this all the time. i like to imagine how they were as roommates hahah
Well, seeing as it's not gone through any scientific revolution and has multiple methodologies and approaches, rather than one, agreed-upon approach like a science should have, it's not unreasonable to say psychology's not a science. It's actually taught under the humanities by certain schools and universities.
Really sucks they lock so much development for Otacon's character that actually plays into the next game's story behind what's revealed as the non-canon bad ending.
Snake uses the Stealth Camoflage in MGS2 (and I'm assuming it's from a clear bonus since he also references the infinite ammo bandana when talking to Raiden) With how much everyone disregards the fourth wall in this game, I'm sure we can headcanon that Snake got the Otacon ending first but then went back for Meryl
Just finished this game for the first time. I got the canon ending and decided to look up this ending before moving on to MGS2. I'm angry how much better this is. Snake and Otacon bonding over their losses and failures is far more interesting and emotionally moving than a sappy love story. And Otacon by far has a better character arc than Meryl.
Is it wrong that i like this ending better? i'm more interested on Otacon and Snake bromance than meryl's ... in fact, it makes more sense since they work together on MGS2
+MercenaryFox I like this ending better myself because it "shines the spotlight" onto Otacon when Snake is feeling defeated. PS I thought this ending was canon when I first completed MGS1, but MGS4 had to have Meryl in it.
that, and also if you played MGSV, you'd see from Strangelove's words that some part of The Boss's spirit and wisdom gets into otacon, which is why he's able to say these moving quotes. almost like a part of her is reincarnated into him.
@sandalssuck I think in mgs1 Snake's supposed to be about, 30. So its still a weird 10ish year age gap, but thought Id clear that up anyway. In Mgs4 hes old because he was genetically engineered to die young.
“The important thing is that you choose life, and then live!” I love this line so much. In this ending both Snake and Otacon lose the women they love, the Colonel lost his daughter and Naomi lost the closest person she had to family, but it still ends on high note for these characters. It’s a very beautiful and inspiring ending in my opinion.
I'd still consider this canon because Snake didn't check for a pulse. Meryl could still have been alive. I don't know I'm just trying to put a light on things because no matter the ending, she still appears in Guns of the Patriots.
When I played this game, I always got the happy ending. One day, I accidentally got a easy alternative to the torture chamber I didn't know I could get. That accident lead to this horrific moment where Meryl dies. It terrified me at first, but I realized the true ending. He wasn't meant to have a happy life. A clone. A weapon. Nobody. But it's Otacon who saves him and makes him a weapon of hope to save the true heroes. He deserved better in the end.
The fact they both knew the reference makes me laugh thinking Snake has watched the movie as well. Just the image of that makes me love this reference.
Unlike most people this was the end I always got as a kid, I found out years later that someone could survive the torture. I gotta tell, the impact that this ending had on me was reaaaaally something. I didn’t play anything for a few days just digesting it. Very mature for us kids back then Imagine my face when I played MGS4
Same here which makes me wanna play it again to get the different ending. I hope they remake the game, although at that age, it affected me, quite a lot.
Okay but like, Otacon asks Snake to live at the end of this game, then at the end of MGS4, Snake makes that choice and Otacon goes with him. This is the better ending. Though Meryl having to die to get it kinda sucks.
When I got this ending the first time I cried so many manly tears and I don't know why, but I played the game over again to save her life. I guess in a way I felt guilty and needed to right the wrong I felt responsible for.
What the hell did no one notice Campbell mention that he slept with his brothers wife. His family may be more messed up than big boss and the snake triplets and genome soldiers
He mentioned there, when Raiden asked why would *anyone* do a mission more than once. It was something like "My best friend once said to me, 'fighting is the only thing I was good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in'." The point was that he didn't want the world to have metal gears. Instead of fighting because he's ordered to, or to feel alive/survive, he started fighting so that the world can have better peace, away from war and metal gears, and eventually the Patriots. New path, even if certain things are similar.
He did take a new path, in a sense. In MGS1, Snake was disillusioned with his purpose as a soldier and clearly fed up with taking orders. He went in a different direction after the Shadow Moses incident, creating his own new organization with Otacon and dedicating himself to destroying Metal Gear and the Patriots rather than just fighting out of some misguided sense of patriotism or honor.
@@shadowstriker84 I thought it was in both endings since Meryl doesn't die until the end of that ending and the conversation takes place earlier in the game, when she isn't dead
Everyone should play this game and enjoy the rollercoaster that it sends you through. What a beautiful story. You think its all about you stopping nuclear attacks and killing villains but you discover more about the characters, more about yourself, more about the world. Hideo Kojima yall
Although this ending is not canon, it has a lot of information in it which is important to know and is known by characters in the sequels. Most importantly that Meryl is Campbells daughter. And ofc Snake gets the stealth camouflage he has in the opening of MGS2. As many state here, this is by far the superiour ending. It really gives close to Snakes and Otacons arcs and at the end, Snake is looking for a new purpose. And he finally changes into the hero from MGS2 and 4 at the end because he failed Meryl and wants to become a better man now. Really a great ending and far better than the romance ending with Meryl.
Well said. Off topic but if they do end up doing a full blown remake I pray to God it doesn't get woke and use pc bs in it. I couldn't bare to see a huge part of my childhood be ruined. They already ruined the last of us with thar part 2 debacle. The only thing worst would be David hayter coming out as a woke far lefty. That would honestly destroy me in so many ways. David hayter is the reason I'm here today happy. He has touched so many peoples hearts with his performance and will sadly never know.
@avaforlife4141 of course, seeing American Imperialism in a critical light and the MGS games some scenes and actions reminiscent to Homosexuality, being too obvious about it. And, why are you whining about "wokeness"? That's the most boring thing to whine about
I'm not a big fan of Meryl but I still felt guilty letting her die like that. Roy Campbell acknowledging this at the end of the game doesn't help either.
@@VeloriaMyVey In bros defense he had severe Stockholm syndrome and she was the only person who was somewhat kind to him…it makes sense he would think this
I used to always get this ending as a child with my brother every time, not knowing you could save her. Years later we found out the other ending, and I still prefer this one. Its so much more sad and realistic and sets up the second game why snake ends up working with otacon. What a masterpiece.
It’s nice of Kojima to not berate the player for taking the easy way out during the torture sequence, but instead reward them with an equally meaningful ending.
When the game was released it took time for it to get big but word of mouth and good reviews Made it go into the top of the stratosphere within two to three weeks of release I remember playing the demo disk of it and finally renting it and playing it and then for my birthday I actually got it a copy all to myself it's one of those games that changes your life and makes you look at things you wouldn't of I've easily played through this game 150 times when I was young watching every cutscenes each and every time I played it I would find something I hadn't noticed before and to this day I still have the original copy I got for my birthday I was either 12 or 13 at the time and the game still makes me cry because of the beauty the story and the memories of Years Gone by when things were simpler when I was younger I play through it a couple times a year still and I still love it to this day
This ending is hilarious. It's so "bromancy" it kills me. It feels like something I should be hearing at the end of a gay soap opera. Right down to the piano playing softly with the dialog. It's also legitimately funny when Snake remembers Otacons real name. And the way Snake totally bums Otacons stealth camo off him is hilarious. He's like "oh OK well if you're not gonna hide I could totally take that camo off you."
@@عبداللهالقحطاني-ك4ر1س no matter which ending Meryl would still appears in MGS4. remember that snake didn't check her pulse and also remember that Meryl's Rat Patrol team is in ties with The Patriot.
Never cared for the meryl ending. This is a very real scene, the good guys don’t always win and save everyone. Meryl’s death was a testament to that. The meryl ending just feels like a congratulatory pat ourselves on the back for being the bestest and goodest ever ending.
Solid: I brought Stinger for your Hind Liquid: That won't stop me Solid: I have machine Gun Liquid: It won't kill me Solid: Alright, I think you are inmune to normal weapon. How about a bioweapon. Liquid: FOXDIEEEEEEEE!!!!!
This is such a positive ending, despite it being the 'bad' ending. I love the 2001: A Space Odyssey bit that they joke about. Kinda fourth wall breaking, took me years before I understood the joke too.
@Just some Forest Ranger with Internet Access metal gear came out in 1987 then the third installment to the metal gear series was metal gear solid that came out in like 1998 but after metal gear solid came out every game had solid in it excluding survive and acid
Personally I just wish Otacon came along for the ride in the good ending. I prefer Meryl living and enjoy the sappy romance end but I love that this end gives Otacon some closer. All three of them in the good ending would have been fun.
This ending also apparently abridges the conversation at the end between Mr. X and the President. In the good ending he gives a lot more details regarding the President's identity.
So Hal and Dave went to visit Jupiter, caught some robbers, saved the day, and had some brewskis together, and became both Lewis and Clark, a great bunch of guys. 🍻
Ngl I felt happier with this ending than I did Meryl's. Maybe it's because Snake and Otacon have more in common than Snake and Meryl or that we're in constant contact with Otacon all throughout the game.
As a kid playing metal gear solid 1 back in 1998 I always thought this was the only ending since I always gave up in the torture room because it was to hard never knew there was a "good Meryl" ending till much later
just wish snake and otacon would settle down together and be happy... i like both endings but this one is much sweeter in hindsight considering what happens with meryl in the end :/
It’s wild how it took 3 more games after this one to circle all the way back around to effectively the same ending, in terms of snake’s development. For him to put aside the gun and live.
Some people say that this ending makes more sense with mgs2 But honestly, is not like Snake would forget what Otacon did for him after all, even on the Merly ending, Snake was worried about him and asked to someone pick him up. And i believe that they can meet again off screen and team up on MGS2
I've gotten both endings before, but fuck, sometimes you just gotta hear Otacon remind you that life can just fucking suck, but that doesn't mean you should give up and die. Thanks Hal.
When a mech-loving scientist in a 1998 game is a better psychologist than some of those in real world
Seriously my dudes. Glad y'all feel the same way.
Ain't nothin wrong with using stealth and giving in to torture!
I finally completed this game recently - I;ve never managed it before, despite having played it on and off since it's release. Octacons words couldnt have come at a better time.
I love both endings. But yeah, even though this is considered the “bad ending” it’s still a good and meaningful ending. Life doesn’t just end after the person you love dies. That can happen and your own life shouldn’t just end because of that. Snake looking for a new purpose is the right answer.
This is how bad endings should be, just another way for the story to end. The writers gave both endings love; they actually wanted people to get this ending, and to still be satisfied.
the dialogue is good and all, but this is just the same ending sequence as the Meryl ending. I don't wanna say it's RGB mass effect ending but eh
I actually prefer this ending to the canon one. I feel like Snake and Otacon are a stronger team with a more satisfying payoff in the future games. I really like their unlikely friendship between nerd and brute, plus the NG+ reward of stealth camo is way cooler than infinite ammo.
Having the badass and independent Snake grief over the loss of Meryl and doubt himself felt like massive development for the character.
Meanwhile the happy ending felt a bit..."textbook" imo. Not bad but nothing unusual.
Even if you do ship Snake and Meryl, MGS4 kinda ruined that so looking back i prefer this ending setting up future adventures with the two bros, rather than being teased with two characters breaking up off screen.
I wish Otacon was present in the Meryl ending and still had this conversation with Snake.
B r a n d o n yeah I kinda wish there was a secret ending where you escape with both of them.
@@orangeTadpole Oh, you mean like how it happened with the MGS Digital Graphic Novel?
After the Snake and Otacon's heart rending conversation she'll get up and be like "It's just a prank bruh!"
@@filipeflower
Ha ha, he made Otacon walk all the way to Fox Island
@@onionsilk
At least he had the Stealth to avoid polar bears and walruses.
I think Snake not being able to save Meryl made for a better story and showed who we thought to be an unstoppable badass to be just a sad man, like what MGS3 did with the Boss
@MILES he spoiled a 15 year old game... you’ve had plenty of time haha
While I do like the content within the Otacon Ending, this implies that Snake wasn't tough enough to survive the torture, and I'd like to believe he'd be able to do that since he survives a microwave in MGS4.
@@They_are_Arthur i like the Otacon ending more but usually go for the Meryl ending to make it fit better with MGS4.
But like you’re saying, the fact that Snake wasn’t this ustoppable, emotionless badass gave him more character.
@@casperpettersson358 I like it when Snake toughs his way through everything. He's the inferior clone of Big Boss yet he makes it through the worst stuff and I think that's inspiring.
I know this is 3 years old, but I'd argue that him *saving* Meryl is the first genuine distinction between him and Big Boss, and thus, the first step on his path to being more than his genetic code. So yes, *Big Boss* would've failed, but not *David* .
Behold, the greatest bromance in the history of the world.
Kaz and Big Boss > Snake and Otacon.
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@@Dorincounts well, I guess you haven't finished metal gear solid 5
@@jfk4589 I mean PW Kaz and BB.
“”””Bromance””””
I know David Hayter (actor who does Snake's voice) and other fans don't like this ending much, but I like it and here's why. Snake and Otacon are connected when you look at it in hindsight, both were loners and had their skepticisms and reservations about people. Snake was a cynic who experienced the trauma of his mentor (Big Boss) and best friend (Gray Fox) betraying him, which caused him to withdraw to Alaska where he could be alone. Otacon was scared of people because he could never really understand them, but after meeting Snake (and Sniper Wolf) he begins to open up to them. Snake and Otacon don't need to have a romance, but you can see what a beautiful friendship it is they have.
Finally, somebody else gets it! 👍🏻
Exactly.
I couldn't go for the Otacon ending, because I felt so sorry for the Colonel. I didn't want to let him down.
@@transformersrevenge9 I understand, but the Meryl ending is canon anyway.
Otacon is a good bro, it's a fact of life
Given how snake and Otacon work together in MGS2, I like to believe that this ending is canon, regardless of the torture, but that Meryl survives, for MGS4
+Twocoolman115 What if.....she entered a coma?!? *Whoa-hoahs internally*
Bros before hoes
@@claywhite1400 Not for colonel apparently.
@@n2psychology222 in the end, it was still bros before hoes. My man Campbell took care of Rosemary for Raiden.
@@M3TA763AR5071D another person who goes into a coma for 9 years
Watching this here because I don't have the heart not to save Meryl.
Same
T. Martin BuT tHe BrOmAnCe
Meryl...
Meryl!...
Meeeerrrrllll!!!!
Some are looking up the Meryl ending because they don't have the finger speed.
They should play the integral version, it's way easier on the integral version.
I high key prefer this ending. I enjoyed Meryl as a side character but she doesn’t pull off main character as well as Otacon does, and this scene both has its own emotional aspect of picking the player up with Otacon’s moving words, and mirroring earlier in the story where Snake helped Otacon the sane way.
Games are the only medium that can make me connect to characters like this, and Otacon feels like a true friend in scenes like this. Scenes I wish were cannon
we still get to expirience it!, i like to think that between 1-2-4 they had moments just like this all the time. i like to imagine how they were as roommates hahah
"Meryl can't forgive anyone anymore". That's the first shit you say to the guy after popping out of nowhere behind him? Swell guy, that Otacon.
@@Lansone31 spot on
@@Lansone31 Either that or it's a translation error.
@@filipeflower no, I think it was him trying to teach the lesson Snake taught to him with Sniper Wolf’s death.
@@OKTANE0 I dont think Snake said anything that harsh to Otacon though
@@Janon743 He did kill her in front of him tho. That's a lot harsher than what Otacon said
Snake: I'm straight.
Otacon: [pisses himself, admits he's a weeb, and is generally a disaster]
Snake: I want a family with this man.
Doesn't matter if you ship Snake + Octacon as romance or as bromance, it's both so much better than the romance with Meryl.
Easy to say these stupid generation Z meme comments, but you probably didn't watch the cheesy "romance" Meryl ending....
we can have both
@@donuts564 How does this qualify as romance?
@@filipeflower people can see it as a romance
i perfer this ending casue it perfectly transitions into mgs2
Diabolic Waste Granted its non canonical
MGS4 says otherwise.
ive only played phantom pain but since mgs4 isnt canon anymore, i say this could be the canon ending
Eclipse the Zorua MGS4 is still canon where’d you learn it wasn’t
@@eclipsethezorua1905 What? Where the hell did you hear that?
>I'm finished with science, I'm into human psychology now
Psychology confirmed for NOT a science.
lmao that threw me off as well
Well, seeing as it's not gone through any scientific revolution and has multiple methodologies and approaches, rather than one, agreed-upon approach like a science should have, it's not unreasonable to say psychology's not a science. It's actually taught under the humanities by certain schools and universities.
@@hostiusasinhostilityhostil7853 A fair point, but funny nonetheless lol.
The fact that they both have a chuckle over the 2001 Space Odyssey reference brings a warm smile to my face.
Even though is the bad ending, hearing Snake laugh makes it the good one in my books
Well, Snake had already a moment of laugh with Meryl in their first codec conversation
It's not a bad ending, it's...a regular ending.
Really sucks they lock so much development for Otacon's character that actually plays into the next game's story behind what's revealed as the non-canon bad ending.
I was just about to comment that
It could have happened off-screen.
I'm sure Otacon's character was further explored in MGS2 in both Tanker and Plant. Can't confirm MGS4 as I haven't played that yet.
Snake uses the Stealth Camoflage in MGS2 (and I'm assuming it's from a clear bonus since he also references the infinite ammo bandana when talking to Raiden)
With how much everyone disregards the fourth wall in this game, I'm sure we can headcanon that Snake got the Otacon ending first but then went back for Meryl
Just finished this game for the first time. I got the canon ending and decided to look up this ending before moving on to MGS2. I'm angry how much better this is. Snake and Otacon bonding over their losses and failures is far more interesting and emotionally moving than a sappy love story. And Otacon by far has a better character arc than Meryl.
Same here
Agreed. Tbh I often feel that Otacon is basically Hideo Kojima and that his arc represents Kojimas own story of learning how to live.
MGS2 actually had confirmed that Meryl survived. There's logs you can read in that game that explain what happens in between 1 and 2
@@LiveBowieand msg4
And since when was Meryl ever really interested in Johnny in the first place unless you count the fact she stole his uniform?
Is it wrong that i like this ending better? i'm more interested on
Otacon and Snake bromance than meryl's ... in fact, it makes more sense
since they work together on MGS2
+MercenaryFox I like this ending better myself because it "shines the spotlight" onto Otacon when Snake is feeling defeated. PS I thought this ending was canon when I first completed MGS1, but MGS4 had to have Meryl in it.
that, and also if you played MGSV, you'd see from Strangelove's words that some part of The Boss's spirit and wisdom gets into otacon, which is why he's able to say these moving quotes. almost like a part of her is reincarnated into him.
MercenaryFox honestly I agree with you, as bouth of them are a better cou-panions. Then again I hardly play much the Metal Gear series.
Bros before hoes
@sandalssuck I think in mgs1 Snake's supposed to be about, 30. So its still a weird 10ish year age gap, but thought Id clear that up anyway. In Mgs4 hes old because he was genetically engineered to die young.
“The important thing is that you choose life, and then live!”
I love this line so much. In this ending both Snake and Otacon lose the women they love, the Colonel lost his daughter and Naomi lost the closest person she had to family, but it still ends on high note for these characters. It’s a very beautiful and inspiring ending in my opinion.
Snake and Otacon rides off into the horizon to see if love can bloom outside of the battlefield.
I'd still consider this canon because Snake didn't check for a pulse. Meryl could still have been alive. I don't know I'm just trying to put a light on things because no matter the ending, she still appears in Guns of the Patriots.
The Higher Power in the chronology patriots comes after mgs1
@Ominous Fog no this is Metal gear solid 1
Metal gear 1 is for MSX and NES
Her neck is limp she's clearly dead.
@@stuff5499 The NES games don't count.
@roro Because those two aren't canon. Even Hideo Kojima himself confimed this. The ones that count are the games for the MSX2.
i like this ending better
You monster
+james: the bibarel: the HM slave hey it's just my opinion
Because David Hayter, man.
I agree with you.
Same, because she cheats on snake :/
Ah, the TRUE ending of the game.
according to mgs4 it isnt
only to cowards who give into pain
@@emreozsoy8563 Its because of that game why I let Meryl die, I hate that bitch.
@@A21music Otacon's ending really fits more with the game's message
@@emreozsoy8563 that game is just a bunch of fanservice
When I played this game, I always got the happy ending. One day, I accidentally got a easy alternative to the torture chamber I didn't know I could get. That accident lead to this horrific moment where Meryl dies. It terrified me at first, but I realized the true ending. He wasn't meant to have a happy life. A clone. A weapon. Nobody. But it's Otacon who saves him and makes him a weapon of hope to save the true heroes. He deserved better in the end.
I don't think this ending completely destroys his live. The romance with Meryl is kinda weird, anyway.
That Dave and Hal reference is much more clear than I thought ^^"
"2001 A Space Oddity", Hal/Otacon is always watching and monitoring Dave/Snake during missions.
took me 22 years to get this joke
The fact they both knew the reference makes me laugh thinking Snake has watched the movie as well.
Just the image of that makes me love this reference.
Unlike most people this was the end I always got as a kid, I found out years later that someone could survive the torture. I gotta tell, the impact that this ending had on me was reaaaaally something. I didn’t play anything for a few days just digesting it. Very mature for us kids back then
Imagine my face when I played MGS4
I can't imagine your face because I never played MGS3 only played MGS1, 2 and 3
Same here which makes me wanna play it again to get the different ending. I hope they remake the game, although at that age, it affected me, quite a lot.
Me too bro.
@@Daban-Abbas I did and is totally worth it, although I prefer the “bad” ending, I find it more grounded and cinematographic
Fellas is it gay to propose to ur bro whose name u just learned to take a trip to jupiter
Uranus is near by. So yeah
It's a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey. The astronaut Dave Bowman and the computer Hal 9000.
@@ragejoona431 Thank you! I thought I was the only one around here who knew that.
filipeflower hahah Hal and Dave that’s a good one
@@filipeflower that is supposed to be a joke dude... Maybe a bad one, but just a joke 🙄...
Okay but like, Otacon asks Snake to live at the end of this game, then at the end of MGS4, Snake makes that choice and Otacon goes with him. This is the better ending. Though Meryl having to die to get it kinda sucks.
i imagine, Snake's death has to be hard on Otacon... seeing your best friend and savior slowly fading away
This ending makes you feel bad because Snake feels like a loser and that he gave into the pain making it seem like its your fault she died
His Snake is Solid Having Snake be weak for a moment helps show he's human. I think it is a lot more powerful that way.
It is literally the player's decision to let her die.
It IS the player's fault for giving up the torture sequence.
try beating the torture room on extreme you have to be a real man to do it on your own
And if you press select with ocelot instead of repetaly pressing circle
I think this ending makes more sense than Snake falling in love with a girl who is not supposed to like men.....
...what?
Wot
I don't remember exactly what she said, but she went under some sort of training to remove her romantic interest in men.
@@L7vanmatre Unfortunately it didn’t account for men with diarrhea
@@L7vanmatre Headcanon, she received that training virtually, that's why it didn't work lol
"I think it's time for me to find a new path" - seasoned metal gear destroyer who will spend the rest of his life destroying metal gears
Honestly I prefer this ending better because this is how Otacon & Snake became best friends. 😌
When I got this ending the first time I cried so many manly tears and I don't know why, but I played the game over again to save her life. I guess in a way I felt guilty and needed to right the wrong I felt responsible for.
What the hell did no one notice Campbell mention that he slept with his brothers wife. His family may be more messed up than big boss and the snake triplets and genome soldiers
Lol that’s literally what Hunter Biden did
@@chaimrothberg5367 that is important why? Like venom snake wearing a face mask to protect himself from a virus?
@EL AUTENTICO great he still on our side
@EL AUTENTICO what??
Lmao i had to scroll down a lot more than I thought I'd have to see someone addressing this.
Mayor Campbell got away with this like it was nothing
God it made me smile when otacon(Hal) and snake(David) both laughed.
Actually Snake laughed with Meryl during their first codec conversation
@@darkmessengerofanotherworl2840 No way... I had absolutely no clue... and i thought that they were crying.
@@yesanameirequested1682 **SARCASM** ***DETECTED***
I love the name David but I’m choosing John from peace walker 😂
Snake: i’ll find a new path
2 years later snake does some of the same shit he just did
Snake: so much for a new path
He mentioned there, when Raiden asked why would *anyone* do a mission more than once. It was something like "My best friend once said to me, 'fighting is the only thing I was good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in'." The point was that he didn't want the world to have metal gears. Instead of fighting because he's ordered to, or to feel alive/survive, he started fighting so that the world can have better peace, away from war and metal gears, and eventually the Patriots. New path, even if certain things are similar.
He did take a new path, in a sense. In MGS1, Snake was disillusioned with his purpose as a soldier and clearly fed up with taking orders. He went in a different direction after the Shadow Moses incident, creating his own new organization with Otacon and dedicating himself to destroying Metal Gear and the Patriots rather than just fighting out of some misguided sense of patriotism or honor.
No way would I let Meryl die, but man this reveals so much character development. I've never heard Snake laugh.
Didn't he laugh at one point in one of the conversations with Meryl? I don't know...
@@Ami-km8sd I think that was from the other ending
@@shadowstriker84 I thought it was in both endings since Meryl doesn't die until the end of that ending and the conversation takes place earlier in the game, when she isn't dead
@@Ami-km8sd Snake and Meryl both laughed during their first Codec call.
So you never unlocked the stealth camo?
This ending is so much better. The emotion and acting is incredible. Snake seems more human when he's almost a terminator for the whole game.
Everyone should play this game and enjoy the rollercoaster that it sends you through. What a beautiful story. You think its all about you stopping nuclear attacks and killing villains but you discover more about the characters, more about yourself, more about the world. Hideo Kojima yall
This is the superior ending, Otocon and (Dave) have great chemistry.
Hal* lol
I like this ending because of how There's A Space Odyssey reference and how snake and Hal conversate
Although this ending is not canon, it has a lot of information in it which is important to know and is known by characters in the sequels. Most importantly that Meryl is Campbells daughter. And ofc Snake gets the stealth camouflage he has in the opening of MGS2. As many state here, this is by far the superiour ending. It really gives close to Snakes and Otacons arcs and at the end, Snake is looking for a new purpose. And he finally changes into the hero from MGS2 and 4 at the end because he failed Meryl and wants to become a better man now. Really a great ending and far better than the romance ending with Meryl.
Well said. Off topic but if they do end up doing a full blown remake I pray to God it doesn't get woke and use pc bs in it. I couldn't bare to see a huge part of my childhood be ruined. They already ruined the last of us with thar part 2 debacle. The only thing worst would be David hayter coming out as a woke far lefty. That would honestly destroy me in so many ways. David hayter is the reason I'm here today happy. He has touched so many peoples hearts with his performance and will sadly never know.
@@avaforlife4141 what do you mean? MGS is pretty woke frfr
@OldBloxycube not sure what you mean. You Have an example? Never noticed anything far left leaning or lgbqt crap being pushed
@avaforlife4141 of course, seeing American Imperialism in a critical light and the MGS games some scenes and actions reminiscent to Homosexuality, being too obvious about it.
And, why are you whining about "wokeness"? That's the most boring thing to whine about
@@OldBloxycube that's more of a Japanese thing then homosexuality. And yes wokeness is very bad 👎
I'm not a big fan of Meryl but I still felt guilty letting her die like that. Roy Campbell acknowledging this at the end of the game doesn't help either.
why not?
The idea that Snake gave into torture is bullshit, but everything else in this version improves his character.
I got this ending and was watching the ending cutscene but my game crashed in the middle so I'm watching it here.
Glad I'm not the only one. My last save was at the beginning of the Metal Gear boss battle, and I was not in the mood to do that again.
7 years in the future coming in to say similar situation, I accidentally hit exit when I died in the escape
I love how otacon thought wolf loves him lol
A lot of us go through that. It's so relatable, women are very good at making us think that they like us lok
@@phantom_mist1726 more like men are very good at misinterpreting women's kindness as interest in themselves lmao
@@VeloriaMyVey In bros defense he had severe Stockholm syndrome and she was the only person who was somewhat kind to him…it makes sense he would think this
Lol bros before hoes
Joshua Harvey bros instead of hoes
they're gay, joshua
@@jackson-zo8pt I mean the first time you meet Otacon he comes out of a closet.
@@umjammerlammy9993 GENIUS
@@umjammerlammy9993 Locker*
"They can't destroy human spirit"
Poetry
I agree. Man can kill body but cant kill the soul. Fear one that kills both body and soul
Just what you'd expect from an otaku like Otacon.
Personally I like to believe both could be cannon to an extent. It’s kinda a headcannon, both are perfect endings.
The only thing I don't like about this ending is that it implies Snake wasn't tough enough to survive the torture.
That depends on the player.
@@filipeflower No my point is that if you give up during the torture it literally implies Snake couldn't handle it in that timeline.
@@They_are_Arthur Even Solid has weakspots
in all fairness ocelot has a history of torturing people to death it's entirely possible to just say "he pushed too hard"
Nobody's perfect
I used to always get this ending as a child with my brother every time, not knowing you could save her. Years later we found out the other ending, and I still prefer this one. Its so much more sad and realistic and sets up the second game why snake ends up working with otacon. What a masterpiece.
The reality of life 😢
It’s nice of Kojima to not berate the player for taking the easy way out during the torture sequence, but instead reward them with an equally meaningful ending.
This game is a true masterpiece even for today. I can't even imagine how revolutionary it must've been when it first launched
When the game was released it took time for it to get big but word of mouth and good reviews Made it go into the top of the stratosphere within two to three weeks of release I remember playing the demo disk of it and finally renting it and playing it and then for my birthday I actually got it a copy all to myself it's one of those games that changes your life and makes you look at things you wouldn't of I've easily played through this game 150 times when I was young watching every cutscenes each and every time I played it I would find something I hadn't noticed before and to this day I still have the original copy I got for my birthday I was either 12 or 13 at the time and the game still makes me cry because of the beauty the story and the memories of Years Gone by when things were simpler when I was younger I play through it a couple times a year still and I still love it to this day
it was a big big deal and revolutionary is the word.....
"Hal, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship..."
_snowmobile runs towards the sunrise_
Fuck man. As much as I'm glad i made the Meryl ending, it fills me with joy seeing Snake and Otacon laughing together
Solid Snake and Otacon can be even gayer than Big Boss and Ocelot
lmao
Petition for mgs 1.5 so we can get more snake otacon bromance
back then when you thought this is the true ending, then you play MGS4 and meet Meryl.
Even in MGS2 they hinted Meryl survived
@@roninzero12 I'm sorry about replying to your 1 year old comment, but you got my attention. Where can I find that hint?
Don't know if this scene was ever intended to be as homoerotic as it
Its a Japanese game and in Japan a great friendship between men does not make everybody think about homosexuality like it does in the west nowadays.
Its Kojima, it definitely was
It's called bromance
@@IAmBushid0 ...meaning?
@@filipeflower A close, but not-sexual relationship between two men
This ending is hilarious. It's so "bromancy" it kills me. It feels like something I should be hearing at the end of a gay soap opera. Right down to the piano playing softly with the dialog. It's also legitimately funny when Snake remembers Otacons real name. And the way Snake totally bums Otacons stealth camo off him is hilarious. He's like "oh OK well if you're not gonna hide I could totally take that camo off you."
The "Hal and Dave" joke was a refrence to 2001: A Space Odyssey. That's why Snake suggests they take a trip to Juptiter.
What no friend does to mf
The fact that snake could’ve asked for the vaccine to cure himself
I feel sad, when I hear the death screams of the genome soldiers.
OUUUGH
This is not the bad ending, it’s the real ending.
HOW ? MERYL WAS IN MGS 4
@@عبداللهالقحطاني-ك4ر1س no matter which ending Meryl would still appears in MGS4. remember that snake didn't check her pulse and also remember that Meryl's Rat Patrol team is in ties with The Patriot.
Never cared for the meryl ending. This is a very real scene, the good guys don’t always win and save everyone. Meryl’s death was a testament to that.
The meryl ending just feels like a congratulatory pat ourselves on the back for being the bestest and goodest ever ending.
Otacon Ending can be canon, Meryl ate Fake Death Pill
She will be alive after that and appear in MGS4
This ending is so damn good, like holy shit dude
Otacon is one of my favorites in this game. Definitly better than Meryl.
Ikr
"People die." - Hal "Otacon" Emmerich, 2005
But death is not defeat.
Solid: I brought Stinger for your Hind
Liquid: That won't stop me
Solid: I have machine Gun
Liquid: It won't kill me
Solid: Alright, I think you are inmune to normal weapon. How about a bioweapon.
Liquid: FOXDIEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Why is this ending so much better than the other one 😭😭😭😭😭
Love the 2001 A Space Odyssey reference with Snake and Otacon.
This is such a positive ending, despite it being the 'bad' ending. I love the 2001: A Space Odyssey bit that they joke about. Kinda fourth wall breaking, took me years before I understood the joke too.
If you were playing this game in 1999+ then you're the real big boss ;)
Jamrock nah the original Metal Gear from the 80s
@Just some Forest Ranger with Internet Access metal gear came out in 1987 then the third installment to the metal gear series was metal gear solid that came out in like 1998 but after metal gear solid came out every game had solid in it excluding survive and acid
@@commando7238 What about Metal Gear Rising?
"Meryl can't forgive anyone anymore..." Otacon... you dense-
I played both Endings simultaneously on two emulators along each other.
JUST KISS ALREADY
FELLAS,,
there just friends chill out :/ and i aint homophobic
@@shirtlessdude2935 they're gay chriss
@@altf4undo01 What makes you think that?
@@filipeflower XD what the hell with the west these day lol.
I used to only get this ending because my finger was not fast enough when I was small
After playing MGSV it makes you grateful that Hal didn’t end up like his dad
Eventually, they ended up together in MGS 2 and 4
3:04 "Otacon, you've changed!"👖👀
Jennifer Hale's performance is just magnificent.
Personally I just wish Otacon came along for the ride in the good ending. I prefer Meryl living and enjoy the sappy romance end but I love that this end gives Otacon some closer. All three of them in the good ending would have been fun.
2 dads huggin on a snow mobile.😏
This ending also apparently abridges the conversation at the end between Mr. X and the President. In the good ending he gives a lot more details regarding the President's identity.
So Hal and Dave went to visit Jupiter, caught some robbers, saved the day, and had some brewskis together, and became both Lewis and Clark, a great bunch of guys. 🍻
Now that sounds like an ending.
Was always the best ending
I really wish the game would give you 2 balanced options. Save Meryl is more difficult, so I thought it was the true ending.
Ngl I felt happier with this ending than I did Meryl's. Maybe it's because Snake and Otacon have more in common than Snake and Meryl or that we're in constant contact with Otacon all throughout the game.
As a kid playing metal gear solid 1 back in 1998 I always thought this was the only ending since I always gave up in the torture room because it was to hard never knew there was a "good Meryl" ending till much later
Same here! I just got the Meryl ending and was wondering if my memory was wrong. I did not have a memory of a happy ending lol.
The song in the beginning is so emotionally good. If I ever was on borrowed time I'd definitely would want to go out on a high note like this.
magically appears in mgs4
DKM this ending isn't Cannon
@@commando7238 MGS2?
@@hoganvaupel snake asks for a squad to go in and retrieve him in the Meryl ending
@@commando7238 Also, Snake has the infinite ammo bandana.
@@filipeflower So i guess Both endings are Canon, since in MGS2 He has both the Infinite Bandana and the Stealth Camo
The no homo bro ending true ending.
just wish snake and otacon would settle down together and be happy... i like both endings but this one is much sweeter in hindsight considering what happens with meryl in the end :/
This ending is better than canon ending, maybe because of Snake’s feels and emotion.
It’s wild how it took 3 more games after this one to circle all the way back around to effectively the same ending, in terms of snake’s development. For him to put aside the gun and live.
The best is yet to come makes me cry every time 🥺
Some people say that this ending makes more sense with mgs2
But honestly, is not like Snake would forget what Otacon did for him after all, even on the Merly ending, Snake was worried about him and asked to someone pick him up.
And i believe that they can meet again off screen and team up on MGS2
I like to imagine that most of this talk happens after Meryl leaves for the Colonel's sake, hopefully before he gets killed.
cat died yesterday and this helped me through it
NOT YET SNAKE! IT'S NOT OVER YET!
19:16 *insert home alone reference*
"IMMM NOT AFFRAID ANYMOREEEEEE"