Awesome as always! I heard you on the Laguna Limelight show (Orange County, CA) tonight, and remembered how much of an influence you are to the DJ and dance music community. Hope all is well!
llloooollll .... Yeah man we all know that you are not the best dj of the world but I can tell you that you are by FAR (in my opinion) the best dj "Tutor" teaching how to do the stuff properly. I would like to thank you for every piece of knowledge that you are sharing with us!! A big thank you once again and keep in touch with your pupils!! Peace.
The 400 i think is a design icon even though it has been around for a bit i love the look of it. Anyway you have taught me that the decks and mixer are musical instruments not just switches to turn on and off! This is making my skills more thoughtful which i hope will help me more in my tutorials and DJING..cheers J
You explained the theory behind this really well. But what you did in your demonstration was pitch the track up by one whole tone, not an octave. (You can hear this if you have perfect pitch.) Anyway just a detail, I love what you do and it's been totally helpful, thanks for sharing!
Hilarious beginning! Prank call lol! Anyways, what I usually do when I have to use this method is; If there's not much opportunity to suddenly bring up the speed of the track in one shot, I make the two tracks meet half way until the mix is finished and then bring the second track to its original bpm gradually. I rarely use this method though because my sets are usually set to one bpm. But I am going to attempt this method when I switch styles of sets. From a Trance to Euro to Hard House.
by not using the master tempo you are able to make the music increase in feel as well as the bpm, this way the overall set will rise and this is hard to do if you have the MT on.
musical genius to me... would have never occured to me to just jack it up a semitone in an interim'ish spot in the track. dang I'm learning so many tricks from you lol, thanks so much for what you do!
I do have a small tip if you want to get to a faster bpm.... But it norally takes a few records to do it. First you start at lets say 115bpm and you want to get to let's say 130bpm. Now my little tip is.... To build it up over time. So, you would start at 115... Build that to 118... Then 120? 122?.... And so on and so forth :) Great video J, Andy :)
I was wondering the same thing but I guess we're both watching his videos randomly, and he's been putting up videos for quite a while so I think he upgrades pretty often ^^
Good idea Jonathan. Sounds a bit cacky on a CD player though as you can hear the speed change no matter how fast you do it. However, using a digital DJ package such as Torq allows you to change the key instantly and retain the speed or adjust key and speed independently of each other
@telaferrum Being a trained musician myself, I agree. His comparison from the octave on the piano to the half step on the track key is very confusing. Speaking in hertz, the octave on the piano is doubling the frequency from 440Hz to 880Hz. Yet, on the deck he isn't doubling the speed or the pitch. The rule of thumb I use is that without master tempo/keylock, an 8% change in tempo is usually equivilant to a half step pitch change. To use this well, you need to pay attention to key and tempo.
Yes. He actually only took it up a semitone. I think that it's quite effective sometimes though, especially when you pick an opportune moment in the track
AMEN TO That! This Guys A LEgend. by the way jon. i usually wait ideally till ive put on a track thats hot a climax. usualy il just keep getting faster as the night progresses tho. but if i need to do what u just did i do it abit slower with key lock ON as all my tunes are set out by key and alphabetical order anyway lol... key lock rules! yes there wer the days wen djs used to do without it but them days r gone! lol. welcome to a new age of harmonic mixing youtubers
@djsixottawa supermathematical nitpicking aside, your point is solid. a semitone is pretty much the nastiest interval there is. Exactly matched key @original speed and 6% speed difference is a bit of a recipy for a failure.
Paradigm404, although there is a simple way to work out the ratio between tempo / pitch and their relationship with each other.... music can be more complicated than just 'a key' ... so it's often a matter of using your ear to locate which parts of each tune work best together... software is already more than available with regards to key mapping digital audio... it just has to analyse the harmonic structure...that would be a good feature on future DVS/CDJ's etc.... 'Key Mapping'
I find that if you tap the pitch control intime with the beat mover it a couple of %points it makes the pitch bending virtually invisible. or just cut in some effects to cover it up lol
So (to complete my other post) I believe that what's going on here is that the tempo is increased by an amount close to 6.00% so the key is actually shifting up by one semitone, to C# or so. So the other song must be in the key of C# as well (or a compatible key, see harmonic mixing rules) in order to sound good at the same tempo...
Another method might be to gradually increase the speed of the track throughout the entire track. This would only work if the bpms of the two tracks are relatively close. (I.E. 140 and 145)
Useful technique but just to clarify: you're not going up an octave i think you're going up a semi-tone so a song in A becomes A sharp. To go up an octave you would have to double the speed...so 120BPM would become 240. Still, good video.
He's a nice guy but steering you in the wrong direction, there are lots of tutorials like this where they actually know what they're talking about, keep looking. Change priceless for useless in your comment and you're spot on.
@3yE interesting math! I only knew about the +/- 6% thing... do you have a tutorial link that explains all of this in more detail? Just curious to learn a few more bits on this.
you missed the point he was making. the pitch is been adjusting but although the tempo will change technicly the pitch is the same (note) only an octave higher. this is hard to get right as you have to jump the pitch to a guesed possition that would result in moving the track up exactly an octave. impossible if you are tone deaf. there isnt many points you could use it in commercial mixing but for mixin unknown, brakes d&b etc its great. after 10 years of mixing this is 1 trick av just learned.
@djsixottawa It doesn't quite work that way, the full octave is exactly double the frequency, i.e. +100% up, -50% down. A semitone ET is roughly +5.9%, -5.6%, just semitone is a tiny bit larger. The relationship of perceived note to frequency is exponential, and frequency to note is logarithmic. Head spinning yet? Nice coincidece though is that (1+6%) * (1+6%) ~= (1+12%), it's -11% the other way though.
Count every beat for 15 seconds and multiply the number of beats times 4 and you'll get the songs BPM. So if you count 35.5 beats in 15 seconds, the BPM will be 142. When you're counting beats, just remember to include the decimals to get a better BPM accuracy.
i dont know if virtual dj pro is accurate, but i use that one and it works with syncing and shit so,,, but if you have a good computer you can definitely use traktor pro, it lags on my pc.
The problem I have been facing lately is that I use a CD mixer and its becoming very hard & expensive to get new music on CDs these days. About 80% of the current hits that I have are now on my IPOD. Using the IPOD greatly increases my music selection and helps keep my playlists fresh, but mixing back and forth from a CD to an IPOD is virtually impossible! I have no control over the speed or pitch of the music, and the songs take a couple seconds to start when you hit play. Any suggestions?
hi ya, what speakers are you using? I have jbl's for the road but want a nice set for home that have big bass drivers like that? are they cerwin vega? thanks J
traktor scratch pro or serato, get timecoded cds its really the only way anymore get a mixer compatible with the software or get a compatible sound card
Mathematically, you can change the key of the track by changing the pitch these amounts: -2 semitones: -10.9% -1 semitone: -5.6% +1 semitone: +5.9% +2 semitones: +12.2% I do not really know the formulas behind these values, I just looked them up, but really, those values are where the technique in this video really works. It all comes down to music/harmonics theory.
+/- 6% = +/- 1 semitone if you were really going up/down an enitire octave you would need a pitch control with a "wide" range (as AirskiiMusic stated, up to 100%), and the vocals would sound distorted as hell!
I don't want to be the devil's advocate here, but I think the piano thing is not entirely accurate. Going from one octave to the other would mean going up 12 semitones (C -> C# -> D -> D# -> E -> F -> F# -> G -> G# -> A -> A# -> B -> C). I've learned that precisely +6.00% on the pitch control (when no key lock such as Master Tempo is active) is precisely +1 semitone (e.g. C -> C# for example). Similarly -6.00% is -1 semitone. My udnerstanding is that going +1 octave would mean +72.00% (!)
Guru you are the best tutor i have ever seen keep up the spirit & love for music & DJing
Awesome as always! I heard you on the Laguna Limelight show (Orange County, CA) tonight, and remembered how much of an influence you are to the DJ and dance music community. Hope all is well!
llloooollll .... Yeah man we all know that you are not the best dj of the world but I can tell you that you are by FAR (in my opinion) the best dj "Tutor" teaching how to do the stuff properly.
I would like to thank you for every piece of knowledge that you are sharing with us!!
A big thank you once again and keep in touch with your pupils!!
Peace.
The 400 i think is a design icon even though it has been around for a bit i love the look of it. Anyway you have taught me that the decks and mixer are musical instruments not just switches to turn on and off! This is making my skills more thoughtful which i hope will help me more in my tutorials and DJING..cheers J
This guy needs some kind of award/intergalactic recognition for being a super nice badass.
You explained the theory behind this really well. But what you did in your demonstration was pitch the track up by one whole tone, not an octave. (You can hear this if you have perfect pitch.) Anyway just a detail, I love what you do and it's been totally helpful, thanks for sharing!
u r not the best dj in the world. but i can say that u r my best entertaining, educating and inspiring DJ ever..
Hilarious beginning! Prank call lol!
Anyways, what I usually do when I have to use this method is; If there's not much opportunity to suddenly bring up the speed of the track in one shot, I make the two tracks meet half way until the mix is finished and then bring the second track to its original bpm gradually.
I rarely use this method though because my sets are usually set to one bpm. But I am going to attempt this method when I switch styles of sets. From a Trance to Euro to Hard House.
by not using the master tempo you are able to make the music increase in feel as well as the bpm, this way the overall set will rise and this is hard to do if you have the MT on.
musical genius to me... would have never occured to me to just jack it up a semitone in an interim'ish spot in the track. dang I'm learning so many tricks from you lol, thanks so much for what you do!
I love how he actually knows things about music.
man, you're amazing, I'm am now working for the djm-400 and 2x the cdj-400.
cool stuff
I do have a small tip if you want to get to a faster bpm.... But it norally takes a few records to do it. First you start at lets say 115bpm and you want to get to let's say 130bpm. Now my little tip is.... To build it up over time.
So, you would start at 115... Build that to 118... Then 120? 122?.... And so on and so forth :)
Great video J,
Andy :)
I was wondering the same thing but I guess we're both watching his videos randomly, and he's been putting up videos for quite a while so I think he upgrades pretty often ^^
I like this method, i personally slow one track dwn a little and then the other up and bring the tempo back down as i move into the track im mixing in
Good idea Jonathan. Sounds a bit cacky on a CD player though as you can hear the speed change no matter how fast you do it. However, using a digital DJ package such as Torq allows you to change the key instantly and retain the speed or adjust key and speed independently of each other
@telaferrum Being a trained musician myself, I agree. His comparison from the octave on the piano to the half step on the track key is very confusing. Speaking in hertz, the octave on the piano is doubling the frequency from 440Hz to 880Hz. Yet, on the deck he isn't doubling the speed or the pitch. The rule of thumb I use is that without master tempo/keylock, an 8% change in tempo is usually equivilant to a half step pitch change. To use this well, you need to pay attention to key and tempo.
Yes. He actually only took it up a semitone. I think that it's quite effective sometimes though, especially when you pick an opportune moment in the track
you are my hero. you have the answers to all questions that i have. oh my god.
Where the heck were you 5 years ago!
Thanks for spreading some enlightenment for the rest of us!
Good luck with the perm btw!! lol
Peace!
hi, thanks for your videos, this is great !!!! do you use the same in order to go from a fast to a slower toon?
You have some excellant knowledge and I have learnt a lot from this tutorial..Thanks
AMEN TO That! This Guys A LEgend. by the way jon. i usually wait ideally till ive put on a track thats hot a climax. usualy il just keep getting faster as the night progresses tho. but if i need to do what u just did i do it abit slower with key lock ON as all my tunes are set out by key and alphabetical order anyway lol... key lock rules! yes there wer the days wen djs used to do without it but them days r gone! lol. welcome to a new age of harmonic mixing youtubers
@djsixottawa supermathematical nitpicking aside, your point is solid. a semitone is pretty much the nastiest interval there is. Exactly matched key @original speed and 6% speed difference is a bit of a recipy for a failure.
love your videos dude, your a great DJ. much respect. keep it up
you should have a dj school. i would pay good money to come , all your vids are ace and you are a cool guy
i like your teachings becoz you bring it to where it can be understood best hank you
What are highlights and a perm :P ?
Great video
hahahah all your videos are actually so good to watch!
How did the perm go?
Paradigm404, although there is a simple way to work out the ratio between tempo / pitch and their relationship with each other.... music can be more complicated than just 'a key' ... so it's often a matter of using your ear to locate which parts of each tune work best together... software is already more than available with regards to key mapping digital audio... it just has to analyse the harmonic structure...that would be a good feature on future DVS/CDJ's etc.... 'Key Mapping'
You sir, are a brilliant brilliant man, I salute you
I find that if you tap the pitch control intime with the beat mover it a couple of %points it makes the pitch bending virtually invisible. or just cut in some effects to cover it up lol
Thanks for this! I had no idea about the master tempo until now! :D
So (to complete my other post) I believe that what's going on here is that the tempo is increased by an amount close to 6.00% so the key is actually shifting up by one semitone, to C# or so. So the other song must be in the key of C# as well (or a compatible key, see harmonic mixing rules) in order to sound good at the same tempo...
Keep posting videos mate ! cheers from sweden !!
This guy is a legend.
Another method might be to gradually increase the speed of the track throughout the entire track. This would only work if the bpms of the two tracks are relatively close. (I.E. 140 and 145)
you look you having fun while you making the video thats the spirit!! thanks for all your Tutorial cheers from libya.
Useful technique but just to clarify: you're not going up an octave i think you're going up a semi-tone so a song in A becomes A sharp. To go up an octave you would have to double the speed...so 120BPM would become 240. Still, good video.
Great vid; I use this technique quite often!
You should BELIVE in yourself!!!!, you may not be the best dj, but you are a very, very good one my friend :)
He's a nice guy but steering you in the wrong direction, there are lots of tutorials like this where they actually know what they're talking about, keep looking. Change priceless for useless in your comment and you're spot on.
@3yE interesting math! I only knew about the +/- 6% thing... do you have a tutorial link that explains all of this in more detail? Just curious to learn a few more bits on this.
lmao i had to pause the clip at 0:58 cause im crying from laughing so hard. dude i love your vids very knowledgeable lol thanks a million
Why do you write tune as "toon"? Is that just how they write it where you live? Great tutorial, anyway.
Thanks alot man, whaere do you get your cds from are they promo mixes?
can i buy these off the net?
Any help?, much appreciated
you missed the point he was making. the pitch is been adjusting but although the tempo will change technicly the pitch is the same (note) only an octave higher. this is hard to get right as you have to jump the pitch to a guesed possition that would result in moving the track up exactly an octave. impossible if you are tone deaf. there isnt many points you could use it in commercial mixing but for mixin unknown, brakes d&b etc its great. after 10 years of mixing this is 1 trick av just learned.
i love you man, i really really love you
I Love The beginning!!!
its easier to do a spinback or bring it in when theres no beat, plus when u moved the track u didnt go an octave up...
@Quipsilon i find wat ur sayin true and lately while practicin ive been dropping....and the mix comes out pretty good...^^ cheers
@djsixottawa It doesn't quite work that way, the full octave is exactly double the frequency, i.e. +100% up, -50% down. A semitone ET is roughly +5.9%, -5.6%, just semitone is a tiny bit larger. The relationship of perceived note to frequency is exponential, and frequency to note is logarithmic. Head spinning yet? Nice coincidece though is that (1+6%) * (1+6%) ~= (1+12%), it's -11% the other way though.
Thank you so much for your lessos :) You think out side the box and help a lot! GOD Bless, Great Intro xD
Don't you need to double the speed in order to pitch the track one octave higher?
ur infromation is priceless thx
Count every beat for 15 seconds and multiply the number of beats times 4 and you'll get the songs BPM. So if you count 35.5 beats in 15 seconds, the BPM will be 142. When you're counting beats, just remember to include the decimals to get a better BPM accuracy.
"you think i would look good with con-roes or the perm?"
Great tutorials!! Love your hunour :))))
i dont know if virtual dj pro is accurate, but i use that one and it works with syncing and shit so,,, but if you have a good computer you can definitely use traktor pro, it lags on my pc.
yeah you r awesome and you have helped me out ssooooo much. thank jonny:)
The problem I have been facing lately is that I use a CD mixer and its becoming very hard & expensive to get new music on CDs these days. About 80% of the current hits that I have are now on my IPOD. Using the IPOD greatly increases my music selection and helps keep my playlists fresh, but mixing back and forth from a CD to an IPOD is virtually impossible! I have no control over the speed or pitch of the music, and the songs take a couple seconds to start when you hit play. Any suggestions?
i'm curious to see how that perm will look.
the epitome of english humor. great vid :)
I love your vids,more more more!
Is there like an amount of bpms that you have to go up to get that octave or do you just have to play it by ear?
HAHAHAHA loved when he took his cap off while speaking on the phone =D
Thank you for this one. You are great
and if there are vocals that will clearly sound distorted?
hi ya, what speakers are you using? I have jbl's for the road but want a nice set for home that have big bass drivers like that? are they cerwin vega? thanks J
I'd like to seem something similar on Turntables...Think that's possible?
[J]
this guy is awesome!
basically every software does that. Or you can just count the using your mind
traktor scratch pro or serato, get timecoded cds
its really the only way anymore
get a mixer compatible with the software
or get a compatible sound card
How many CD players and mixers do you have men???
great explanation man
wat do i do if i wanna go from 128 to 170?? (ex. house to hardcore)
@xSwiissSkiillz yea it does if you drop the beat.
Mathematically, you can change the key of the track by changing the pitch these amounts:
-2 semitones: -10.9%
-1 semitone: -5.6%
+1 semitone: +5.9%
+2 semitones: +12.2%
I do not really know the formulas behind these values, I just looked them up, but really, those values are where the technique in this video really works. It all comes down to music/harmonics theory.
LOL whats up with the phone? haha - awesome video bud
+/- 6% = +/- 1 semitone
if you were really going up/down an enitire octave you would need a pitch control with a "wide" range (as AirskiiMusic stated, up to 100%), and the vocals would sound distorted as hell!
didn't know what it was used for either xD did have it on already but never turned it of
every timi i c the beginning i can't stop laughing.
great for a mix. lol
very kool tutorial!
very nice cap, from a French supermarket brand. U
how many mixers do you have dude?:P
thanks .
j
dont get the bit about the octaves, the song is only moving up by a whole step..
Lol I love ur vids.
He only went up half a note not an octave
:D perfect comic timing as well as perfect dj timing :D
now thats just great!
which remix is this ? the shoes?
Does somebody know how I can count bpm correctly/accurate?
thanks for the tutorial friend..
I don't want to be the devil's advocate here, but I think the piano thing is not entirely accurate. Going from one octave to the other would mean going up 12 semitones (C -> C# -> D -> D# -> E -> F -> F# -> G -> G# -> A -> A# -> B -> C).
I've learned that precisely +6.00% on the pitch control (when no key lock such as Master Tempo is active) is precisely +1 semitone (e.g. C -> C# for example). Similarly -6.00% is -1 semitone.
My udnerstanding is that going +1 octave would mean +72.00% (!)
so highlits and a perm how much would that be 65 pounds ok
*meant for the DJ teacher*
this is the newest show on tv, Man vs Turntables (aka man vs wild) lmao
LOL like you intro and like how you dj
oh and by the way.. i look forward to ur perm lmaoooo. that was 2 funny