Thinking about Getting Into Home Photo Printing? Be Careful What You Wish For!
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- Hope printing of your photos is one of the best experiences you will ever have or it can be the total opposite!
It requires a type of commitment usually not required for most if not all other photographic equipment you may own.
SO Think Long and Hard before you commit to a $$$$ printer.
Don't be fooled by the amazing rebates being offered by some companies!
Printing at home is NOT I repeat NOT cheap.
DO not buy a printer with the immediate goal of using third party ink options!
That is the wrong approach!
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I have watched so many photographers talk about printing and none of them mentioned this stuff. Thank you so much Jose. Appreciate you.
That's why I do this. Thank you.
For real bro. I just shot downtown Manhattan last night and stumbled on his videos prior to swiping my card. Love this info.
This is true
I've been in this inkjet business for almost 30 years now. This is the BEST I've heard on printers!!! Jose, you have just successfully UNCLOGGED my brain!! Thanks!
Wow! Thank you sir.
Good message Jose. From your recommendation I have committed to printing from my Cannon Pro10 once every 60 hours or less. This has made me a better printer. I am getting my prints right the first time now (most of the time). It also makes me a better photographer because I now feel I need to go out and photograph at least once a week so I have something new to print. This has been a better investment than a new lens or camera.
There is a system to all of this. The only variables are really your images! The "System" should be reproducing your images as they are.
Great advise! I used a couple of years to decide to buy the Canon Pro 1000 due to the fact I knew it would take commitment both money wise and actual printing. It also took some time to accept the printing costs. But when you do; its the best hobby! Holding a printed picture you are happy with, is next level!
Absolutely don’t need a second wife... Good job Jose, thanks for that honest video. We need more of these kind of videos on UA-cam.
The Pro1000 is an expensive mistress!!
I just knew there were a few caveats about printing from home. Thank you so much for putting this out!!!
This guy is so... So enjoyable to watch and listen to.
He's so natural or something. I can't explain it.
Subscribed!
Thank you. Most say I am long winded and boring!
I just discovered you. Great video! I followed the path you described, exactly. Had no idea what I was getting into when I bought my Epson 7890 (24”) beast in 2014. Found out quickly about color management , inks, papers and canvases and heavy duty cleaning. Now, I use only the best and most expensive supplies. I was shocked to learn that I could spend $1200 for a full load of ink, that I didn’t need anyway. But luck fell my way and in six weeks earnings had covered the initial outlay of $1850. Now it will cost twice that to replace it. Today, I have over five years on that printer and it is still chugging along nicely, fingers crossed. I thought I was starting a photography business. Now, years later, I consider myself a professional printer and still an amateur photographer. But, printing pays the bills for my hobby. I will be following you on UA-cam. Thanks.
You sir are a hero. Thank you for providing the exact information I needed.
I'm really glad I saw this video, as I was about to buy a photo quality printer. Saved by the bell, so to speak.
Great.
Thank you for this video. I just bought the 1000. Thankfully, I've been a hobby artist for 4 years and have over 100 paintings laying around that are quality to make prints, my online audience has expanded over the years too and I plan on going to local art stores shows to sell. I'm so happy with this printer and I can't wait to dive in to it!
What’s your IG ?
Starting almost twenty years with an Epson 1290, it´s been a long and steep learning curve for me, and from my experience your advice to beginners is spot on. I think your videos are amazing.
Thank you. I an Epson 1280 though.
@@cheo1949 I think they were the same, just different numbers in Europe and USA
Excellent topic! Thanks for the education that has made me plan my entry into printing instead of just leaping into it blind.
That's the idea. Every single day I read about printer owners who had not idea what they were getting into. I've had plenty of successes and plenty of regrets. Just trying to keep others from the same regrets I've had to deal with.
I like the relationship analogy 😆
Thanks for making this video, Very important things in here to remember ✌️
You're great. Thanks for sharing your obvious experience with printing.
Thanks you for watching Jack! Take care!
Your knowledge is deeply appreciated, I now understand where I went wrong earlier in this venture. Thank you so much Jose.
This video was an eye-opener for me. I was considering getting one of the pro printers so I can print from home and negate the need for a lab. After seeing this video, I changed my mind. Yes labs are expensive, but so are pro printers!
Thank you Jose
They are a huge commitment but...they give you instant results.
Having said that, I just received my prints from an international lab, and they were (slightly) damaged during transportation. Now that I am more aware of pros and cons of each option (lab and home), I might consider home printing again but only after more thorough research.
As always, you’re the one for printers! Thanks for your video. I do understand why my office printer is so long to be ready when I use it from times to times ;)
Unfortunately they need daily use to keep them happy!
Bought half-pro Epson 8550. I was ready for what you said before I found it, just by "thinking in advance". But not everybody is technical person, so your rare advice can be a real treasure.
My case contains two factors. 1. I had no more time time and patience for "trial and error" with another and another labs. 2. I'm in camera club. There is no problem for me to have some job for my printer three times a week. And if I need longer journey, i have few people in my city, to whom I can give my printer to take care. Care not by nonproductive "clean heads" prints but to make pictures.
Not only I can print like I need, but also provide perfectly consulted prints for others.
What a great video, I am so thankful for all the things you have made me aware of. :). Ty
Printers are like pets they require total commitment
Thank you for all the useful information. Appears I am not ready for all the commitments involved!
Smart move.
Great honest review ... it clarified my thoughts. Thank you!
Thanks.
Nice to hear an honest and informed opinion for a change.
Thanks Kevin!
This has been a good informative video for my consideration! I am looking to get into the print business, and looking for it as a business venture than a personal one.
Talking to a few local photographers in my area, there is a definite demand for prints, on various media. I expect a printer to be printing daily
Thanks for the video. Appreciate it . Its an eye opener. I hardly give my time to edit photos, forget about printing. Let shutterfly take care of my prints.
Glad it helped make up your minds. I would not make it as a commission only printer seller.
Dear Jose, we are watching this from Belgium and having a blast! Thank you for all your wisdom and experience, it’s incredibly helpful.
Thank you! I lived in Belgium from 1980-1983 when I was in the ARMY. Our son was born there. We lived near Mons.
How cool! What was your favorite beer? Do you think it is possible to print a photobook with the canon pro1000, or is it more just for fine art prints? All my best
I though Stella was a Belgian actress 😆 The PRO1000 definitely can.
Me too!
Wow. Thank you so much for this. I’m just gonna get a scanner for my 35mm film and rely on a lab for my very limited work for now
Many thanks for the advice. Made my mind up for me. The lab will still be printing my work.
Often that is the best option
I had no idea you have to print very 2 days at least or your printer will clog ! Your video are very very helpful ! Thank you Jose !!!
The reality of Ink Jet Printing.
Thank you for the honesty. Saved your website as now I know where to buy ink for my epson 7600
Thanks
1. No problem if you have money.
2. This is for people who are serious about art and photography.
Once you take your profession serious you'll realize this printer is no problem at all. If you want a printer for documents etc etc. Go get a toy printer.
I have to agree.
Super-good advice! Most people have no idea what they've gotten into.
Been there and done that! That is why I had to do this video.
I just invested in the canon pro 100 and I am so thankful for your message..
Enjoy that PRO100.
Very informative. I have a couple of multi function inkjets. They are generally used for text an copying black and white documents. When I do want to print images, I find I generally have to run the cleaning cycle 4 times to ensure all nozzles are clear and the printer is functioning optimally. Your video makes it clear I have to think carefully about how I would use and maintain a dedicated photo printer like a CANON ProGraf 1000.
Thank you for your insights and breaking down the real costs.
My pleasure!
Thanks for some real good advice. Something I wish I'd have heard sooner.
Glad it helped.
Well... that's what i needed to hear but not what i wanted to hear. Thanks. Thumbs up!
Boy am i glad i came across you sir .
Very informative .👍👍👍👍
Thank you Victor.
Thanks for your very helpful and clear advice.
Solid Advice. Thank you. Your delivery is so good and honest. Based on your knowledge I will not be trying to print at home and will be having my high-end digital images printed out of house. Any advice on what service to use would be most welcome. I photograph in color and black & white. Have a great day and hello from Rochester NY.
Wow! I was considering making a sizable investment into a Cannon professional model printer 🖨 and of course before hand 🖐🏻 I watched many UA-cam videos on the subject of different models and testimonials and LUCKILY came across your video on this very subject. Not only have you Sir saved me a sizable amount of money 💰 but many hours and Aggravation!!! Well, needless too say I decided against buying the Cannon but will instead purchase another Prime lens. I never even considered all the maintenance and after thought in owning such a high end product, thank you. I’m a photographer, that’s what I do! Printing is an afterthought. Being a photographer I’m away to various parts of the world 🌎 often and for extended periods of time, and since I have many expensive photography related items in my home I never would even consider too have a neighbor enter too run a maintenance on a printer 🖨 .... So! Bottom line - No Printer ( lots of💰 time & aggravation saved) add a Prime - Thank You 🙏🏻
Thank you Jose. Lots of food for thought. I live in the mountains, two hours from Panama City in Panama. There are labs in the city, quality hit or miss, but uggh, at 72 years old, uggh, the drive. We do have the local equivalent of UPS here, it may make it reasonable to use a printer in the city. If I order from the States, the consistently-high-quality prints would come right to my door, but with a two or three week delay and a lot of international shipping costs.
I would like to start selling my prints. But at the moment I have zero customers! Although I am salivating over the Pro 2100, I'm thinking that home printing, with all the pampering, may have to wait until I have a larger client base. I may just have to figure out the logistics of using a "local" lab.
Alternatively, since I want the "fun" of being married to my own printer, I guess I could plan on printing a couple prints per week to build up an inventory even though I don't have a customer. Even if I eventually sold one out of every couple/few that I printed, it might be worth it.
So many variables. So many options. So many compromises. Yup, just like being married. But I wouldn't have it any other way.
Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for this great video. Saludos.
I use ink jet plumber on my Mac based on Jose’s advice. No problems at all.
I have had NO success in training the cat to run print jobs.
Thanks for the feed back! The person who wrote the code to this program is also supposed to be working on a windows version. Don't give up on the cat just yet!
I got my cat to run print jobs but they were very paw quality.
@@markrigg6623 bahaahahahahahaaha
Everyone knows cats are stupid, the dog will do it with only a day's training.
I just ordered an epson XP 15000. I hope it works out ok. I can feel an obsession coming. I’ll be frequenting your channel. Subscribed.
Hope you plan on only using OEM inks.
Be aware there are no refillable carts with auto reset chips. Single use chips are available but cost about $10-12 each you add ink and well, it does not make much financial sense compared to OEM.
@@cheo1949 Thank you. Yes, I am going to use OEM inks. I will print every week on a 4x6 size sheet to help conserve ink and prevent clogging. I plan on saving the 8x10 and 13x19 prints for my "best" work that I feel warrants a bigger print. If you feel like another approach at saving ink costs would be more effective I would love to hear your thoughts. Thank you, and happy printing!
Thank you Jose.
We're in Lockdown down in NZ
I'm just about to buy the Canon Pro 1000, your information gives fruit for thought
I've had this Canon Pro 9500 since about 2003. Used it for printing building drawings just use a drat to save the ink and of course photos. My understanding is it is night and day the quality in the difference of the printers.
Advantage of the pro 1000 I would have is I can print A2 for the drawings plus the quantity for photos. So I need to print a 4x6 print every second day.
In our lockdown Ive been making picture frames from demolition native timber(we're not allowed to cut Native Timber any more, which is great) also been using farm fence battens native and there is a rustic look to them. They really look cool
You've given me fruit for thought that for sure
Cheers
Excellent video. My Pro1 still in box as I await a chunk of time to get it set up and learn to use it. I reckon some people could benefit from your relationship advice too :)
Good luck setting it up!
I've never had a clog in my epson 3800. Let it sit for 3 years once when i took a break from my hobby. Fired it up, ran a cleaning... Worked great.
Very wise and very helpful. Thank you.
thank you. i was thinking of getting one but now i will look for a good lab
Often it is the best option!
the best advice i've ever heard. am planning to buy a printer and watching all this youtube reviews whatis the best printer in the market. i wish you have an affiliate link that i can click on. Thanks for the video.
I'm glad I clicked, thank you for these notes
Welcome!
Man...should have seen this video before I got my Pro 1...lol...j/k...I love it...at this point I feel like my photos aren't done until I print.
Maybe you should!d say ANY dedicated photo printer! They can be the thing since sliced bread OR a Money Pit if not used optimally.
Pops nailed it! Thanks 😁👍
*Words of wisdom.* Thanks Jose.
Thank you!
Thank you so much Jose. Bless up!!
You are welcome.
@@cheo1949 would you kindly happen to know anything about canvas printing, the best type and printer to use...best printer and cheaper but good quality as well... I'll appreciate
Any 13" and larger PIGMENT ink Printer CANON or EPSON will produce the best results. Most CANVAS is Matte so you need a printer that uses MATTE BLACK ink NOT DYE based inks.
Keep up the good work JOSE!
Thanks.
I wish I were watching your videos on a 5 hour earlier, now I'm already acquired pro 1000 I visited the reflection between 300 and 1000 model, self-reflection that the ink cartridge size is bigger and probably more reasonable because the previous home printers have always become stuck and one of the colors has run out when I printed the bigger picture.
I hope I came up with the right choice. The campaign price of 1000 euros attracted the choice.
Thank you for this. I try to tell people this all of the time. I am a photographer. I do not have a home printer. Even for my test prints, I use MPIX. There is no good reason for me to own a home printer when a lab is so cheap. I have done the math and I cannot print at home for cheaper than using a lab. Way back when the Epson R series was new, I had a home printer. Not anymore. I wish people understood why this is really not a good option for someone that is not printing and selling multiple photos per day.
Thank you for taking the time to reaffirm this hard truth once and for all. I was just considering buying a new print head for my petrified Pro-100. Question... for those of us who want to make occasional prints in home and are simply unable to keep an ink jet happy, are you aware of any laser printers that do a respectable job? I am a "B&W only" photographer who would gladly sacrifice a little quality at this point in return for a printer that doesn't mind sitting idle for extended periods of time. I keep hearing about newer "image quality" laser units being better than expected on good paper, but it's tough to find working floor models anywhere to get a sample print made. Just wondering if you might have any insight? Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the world, wishing you the best.
Hi, You are saving lot of people money - those canon pros are really nice but they must be running in hard business mode, sure ... and they are runing in photolabs, so, they are shared effectivelly
Really excellent and helpful. Thank you.
Thank you
You saved me a lot of money, Sir!
Thanks. I switched to the Epson ET-8550 A3+ all in one printer. The ink cost is next to nothing. I can afford to print every day
I just purchased the same printer and I absolutely love it!
Just starting with the same printer (8180 in my country). I US you have Color Precision pigment ink set available, as Jose have mentioned and even hosted this set's author on his channel. In Europe, one company from Austria provides very same prpduct + service. Six pigment inks plus ready-mwde ICC profiles for most of papers made by three most popular brands and for their brand papers. Farbwerke - worth to try unless you fill ypur Epson with mix of OEM hybrid inkset. Worth every panny/grosz/öre/eurocent spent.
Great advice. Many thanks my friend.
My pleasure!
Thanks Jose much appreciated
Thanks a lot. I was thinking about buying another printer or buy a new print head. I will continue to have 'my' Printer' print my photos. It's a two hour drive to the Printer.
Thank you, was almost buying a pro 10 for a fourth of the price, that was the catch. Not so sure I want to do it anymore
I love watching him. Too funny!! 🤣🤣
Now you tell me !!...lol I agree....but I Love my Pro-1. It is rewarding printing and framing a ..say nice 13x19 image after a vacation, Memory's Baby ! :)
Well I have to agree!
one of the best video about printers
Well thank you! Hope it helps.
Thank you so much for speaking the truth about home printing, I always wanted to do it and like with many other things the initial excitement would cost me... I owe you one.
That's what I'm here for. Thanks!
I have a Canon Pro9000 I bought about 5 years ago, and hadn't turned it on for about a year. I figured it wouldn't work and I'd finally have some extra shelf space when I tossed it. I didn't feel too bad as I didn't use it much and was planning on farming my printing out anyway. To my shock, it printed perfectly!
Backfire?
@@cheo1949 Liked your video, but unsure what this comment means.
Thank you for sharing this truth.
such a good lot of advice. My only fear is that today's generation won't wait 17 minutes and 46 seconds to get it. All the reasons you describe are why I use a photo lab for printing my photography instead of doing it at home which would be so much more expensive per print. Keep it coming...
Young people do not tend to print. Internet is the way. Its when they grow out of that mentality that they learn that the slow methodical way is the best. Short attention span runs rampant.
Thank you for the explanation
Thanks
While I do print photos since I had photograpy class, Im an animation student, I got a brother t710w all in one for documents and scanning my drawings it did the job really well never had a problem till like recently, 2yrs after usage my colors are off just refilled my colored ink tanks and it fixed it and the inks are only 20 usd. I print for fun so I never had a need for fancy printers plus I never needed to print beyond a4 sized photos or artworks.
😊
Jose, I’m glad I found your channel, it has helped me already. I bought a Canon pro 10. I have quite a bit of family prints that I want to make, most of them smaller prints, 8x10, but mostly 4x6 or 5x7. What is your rough estimate of the cost of printing your own prints, compared to a online pro printer like MPIX. Using OEM paper and inks, do you think it’s 10% more expensive or 20% more expensive (or more) to print your own prints? I have printed some with the pro 10 and I am very happy as the skin tones are even better than what I’ve gotten from online pro labs. Thanks!!
There is a very good print cost comparison between printers at the RedRiver Paper Site.
It will be much more expensive initially due to the cost of all the things you will need to really produce top quality prints. Printer, Inks, Monitor Calibrator, Equipment to produce custom paper printing profiles. But one you get set up and you are able to print consistently with great results, it will be much more reasonable. Instant gratification and the ability to instantly be able to reprint something after a slight adjustment trumps any savings you might get from an external lab.
Thank you Jose! You're awesome . It did hurt me ; the truth did. But I guess it's better than being frustrated and disappointed later. I'm not ready for a full commitment at this point in my life. I'd still like to feel the process though. Probably should intern/apprentice with a lab. Thanks for your video. :-)
It is a something you really need to think about before opening up your wallet.
great advise
I considered to buy a pro1000 but after watching a few of your videos i decided to dont buy one.
Luckily i could afford one but that would be wasted money, i would use it far to rarely.
Thank you Jose and greetings from Germany !
Good decision. Definitely not one for the causal user.
Was looking at Pro-10 and Pro-100 but after all this, I saved a lot and got XP-15000....Wife can print photos for house and I can do my oversized prints for airbrush stencils and copies of my other artwork mediums...being able to test my 11x17 true to size prior to making a mistake will be amazing
I sub to your channel years ago, and I finally picked up a printer... I guess it’s a “for better or for worse till death do us apart” thing from here 💀😅
Indeed it is! Good luck!
Great topic.
Great video! Thanks
Thanks.
Ive been looking at buying a photography printer, great info thank you
Glad it was helpful!
@@cheo1949 I think I have narrowed it down to the Canon image Prograf Pro 1000, so many to chose from
Thanks for your videos. How about using printer few times a year? For example one month of intensive printing and four month pause?
Is it harmful for a printer? Is it possible to change ink to 3thrd party just for a cleaning time and use OEM’s again?
Greetings from Poland.
Great video thx!!
thanks for the great advice
Thank you!
Very good, hard-line reality, thanks
Thanks for listening
I was hoping to get a Canon pro printer and was comparing the 10 to the 100 a few months ago. That's how I found your channel. I decided to wait. I definitely want to get into home printing eventually and will actually probably get the Pro-1000. But I'm waiting until I can pair it with a desktop computer (an iMac preferably) that can be on all the time to run scheduled prints every 2 days to avoid purges, and I'll also be wanting to hook it up to a backup power system so in the event of a power surge or outage the printer will never ever ever lose power, yet another trigger for a purge. I'll also probably do Prismacolor refills, but that's another big decision since I would rather use archival-quality inks that last as long as possible. But then there is the domino effect you've spoken of regarding every time you change a cartridge the whole printer does a purge, so… Refilling two sets of carts to switch between may be unavoidable. Your channel truly is so valuable. I've learned so much. Apart from putting me off, it's made me want to wait until I can do it RIGHT.
Just so you know...we now know there is no way to disable or avoid the Auto maintenance cleaning cycles. They will occur as needed whether you print or not. Printing will not prevent them. In fact it is printing that creates the need for them. Residue is produced inside the print head during printing and that needs to be flushed out periodically as needed and detected by the printer.
Do not use compatible carts on your Canon printer. If you must refill..only refill your original cartridges. Watch more of my CANON printer videos for all the info concerning that. I have video playlists for each printer.
I work in a lab, and sometimes customers tell me they're thinking about a home printer. I just pull up the epson ink cost calculator app (by epson, so add about a 3rd to prices to get the real ones), and show them how they'd be paying more in ink alone in some cases, compared to the prices we charge.
One of the most expensive liquids around today.
Using my MP990 ONCE a year. Just doing a MANUAL cleaning of the printer head. Perfect! (But that one maybe are not a HIGH end machine). Also old. Although, having problem with the sponges that sucks up the ink to the ink-waste-tank, old ink on them and sticky and get stuck on the printer head, so have dismantled the printer and they lies in water/alcohol right now. Looking on a way to remove the auto-cleaning, he does 3 of them, in 5 min... unnecessary and wasteful to overdo it. Manually = better.
I thought long and hard about the switch to precision colors for my pro 100. Over 90% of my printing ends up bound in books for my own viewing pleasure and sharing with friends. Fading is not a consideration and the cost is an extension of my photography hobby. Any prints I display get changed as new images come along to compete for wall space. Maybe the fascination with 100 year archival quality is over rated for home printing. So far my pro 100 seems remarkably tolerant to neglect, with 2 or 3 week printing holidays and no clogs. Its a wonderful machine.
Stop worrying about that! Of course inks that cost 1/8th of OEM will not last as long before physical fading is noticed. Albums will protect your prints for decades!!! I have about 20 prints I truly care about. They are darkroom silver prints!!! The digital ones can always be reprinted. Most will outlive me! Even without extra protection! And by the way I have several thousand prints! I am going to have to do another video on this subject and hopefully clear the air about this once and for all but I highly doubt it.
Saw an Epson printer at an e-waste place, picked it up for $90. not a good investment, the print head was totally clogged and nothing I did could remedy it, and I wasn't going to pay upwards of $1500 for a new print head (it was the Epson Stylus Pro 9890). I salvaged all the motors and boards out of it and put the whole thing in the dumpster. This was 2 weeks ago. Last week we got a HP Z3200 44" from an ebay seller, local pickup, for $300. Needs a new carriage belt which should get here tomorrow. This should be a much better deal. The inks are cheaper, the heads are easily replaceable and not all colors in one unit either. Wish me luck :)
Darn it!!! Now I can't use my name for my new channel. Thanks tocallo. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sucks having the same first and last name. Sometimes.
Great video and info.
Oh no!
Great advice Jose. Thanks for the Inkjet Plumber tip, I'm a dedicated Mac user and this is a huge find! Tips like these are the reason I watch and contribute to your channel. Thank you again.
Oh, do you have any updates on the new PC yellow and black inks for the Pro-100? Will they be released before the end of the year? Have a good weekend Jose.
Glad you found Inkjet Plumber useful! The upgraded inks for the Pro-100 will be available when the labs producing those two colors finalize the inks. I don't have anything else to tell you at this time.
When I talked to Mike at Precision Colors a few weeks ago with this question he said that these new formulations would not be ready until next year; they are too busy perfecting inks for other printers. Yellow and black for the Pro-100 just not at the top of their list.
Thanks for the info Barry. I wondered about just that. On the bright side, I guess this means I won't have to reprofile a bunch of papers for these new inks quite so soon.
Thanks for the honest and great insight. Truly appreciate it.... May i ask you, how do these TONER based printers perform, in terms of clogging and maintenance, especially these high end color printers like Canon iR C3120. I have seen their color reproduction and print quality is pretty professional level.
Are those LASER printer? I'm sorry but I am clueless when it comes to units like that model.
Sir...you saved me 300 Dollars. Thank you so much!
Glad I could help!
You're videos are KILLLLLLLLER! :)
Ouch!!! That is good right?
I just came across your video about maintenance. I am considering the new imagePROGRAF PRO-300 - so I will be sure to contact Canon before I purchase it. My main purpose is to make art quality prints of my watercolors paintings and I like the ability to print 13 x 19. I contacted the third party ink supplier I use for my little Canon Pixma, and they said they won't be carrying the ink cartridges for this model. SO - I already knew I'd be getting Canon ink. Thank you for your information -
Watch last weeks Live Stream for a Full Live set up of that printer and some eye opening info. You might want to reconsider the PRO 300
@@cheo1949 I'll try to find that - I see there is one starting in a few minutes:)