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Why not just set a timer to shut down the system when it detects the IPS hits a certain battery level.
I once made a wooden cabinet also, for aesthetics and noise, but the EMC made havoc on my DTV antenna. Since then I have used a metal cabinet on the inside for the emi, even if I do not have DTV anymore. Really nice build however 👍💪
Pretty funny how every comment is ripping on you for the click bait title and image. 1/10 video and no I will 100% not be hosting my website with the above-mentioned brand
Only issue I see with TrueNAS is that it doesn't allow you to do a mix of drives of different sizes very well, like Synology does. I believe that Unraid has sorted this out, though.
Relax lol yeah title is a little bit clickbait, but the video was great. NAS are great pieces of equipment, whether used for entertainment or for storing work, even if they're not cost-effective to replace streaming without piracy. This video was super informative, regardless. Good tips and a great idea to make it not an ugly box sitting somewhere, and to help keep it cool and quiet if its going to get heavy use.
alternative: piracy
Wait for the comments about how "piracy isn't stealing if buying isn't owning."
Not false but it's illegal bro 😂😂
Especially since Netflix compression went down the shtter. Stuff looks better on youtube at 1080p than it does on a 1440p screen with the 4k subscription
@@analogicparadox Not false I think they do that to make you pay more money for better quality!!😅😂
@@MrEdouard5555 crime rules though
"I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE PAY FOR NETFLIX"
>casually drops $5k on hard drives
This $5k in harddrives also serves what 5 other functions? I think he listed probably $125/month in services he now homelabs. If that estimate is right, this pays for itself in 3 and a half years, without factoring the rest of the hardware. Plus normies don't need $5k in hdds, so the cost and time to recoup is even lower.
@@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBpyup and you can also pass these savings onto your friends and families
@@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp he is probably just joking
@@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBpcorrect, I only have a single 2tb HDD for my Jellyfin collection, and it's not even 1/4 full with a couple full runs of TV shows and a few movies (plus my whole music collection, about 120gb of FLACs), almost all encoded in H.265.
I’m currently running some refurbed ones from server parts, 24tb is roughly $250 so would have been $2k for this build. And filling up would take some time
this video needs a name change to '3D print your own NAS'
except he went with a jellybean sata card instead of an bha card in IT-mode from ebay like the entire reddit talks about whenever a jellybean sata card enters the discussion.
Video title: BUILD YOUR OWN NETFLIX
Video content: How to make a NAS
A very expensive NAS.
@@TalkCafe for years, I fed my video streaming server with a NAS made from an old blue & white Power Mac G4 running Yellow Dog Linux. I had to morph it to Debian to continue getting patches once they discontinued YDL, but it worked until one of the IDE drives in the boot sequence croaked. (It has since been resurrected, but is retired.) It served the RAID-10 LVM via NFS hooked up to a Promise 4-port SATA adapter. Plenty fast to stream video files off of.
Maybe next video is how to get all that content? (wishing)
Video title now: I can't believe people still pay for Netflix...
Video content: Build this machine for the equivalent of 20 years of a Netflix subscription, then pirate or pay an entire month of Netflix for each movie you want to watch
@@RomeoG39 Yar har fiddle dee dee; being a pirate is all I can be!
Was hoping for some sort of gray area piracy video.
Got a video of a guy spending like $10k
spend more to save more...
And ended up with an imitation subwoofer.
😶
He set out the bait then he got the bite. I'm 3 seconds in and turning off and won't be back adding to block channel list.. anyone can spend a shit land of cash then claim omg no Netflix guyz
@@Skobeloff... That's dumb.
Elephant in the room is how to actually obtain the media for the plex server.
If you know, you know.
Gotta sail the seas
Rough seas
All you need is a Bluray drive, handbrake and a way way to make mkvs. *gasp*
Arrrrrrrrrrrrr🏴☠️
Home page: I built my own google drive
In the video: I built my own Onedrive
Zac speaking: Build your own Netflix
And in reality it's just a Nas...
I can't believe people still pay for netflix! *proceeds to buy $1500 3D printer*
And pays for the Netflix library to host on their own machine
Tbf
You can use the 3D printer to print many useful things
And you'll have fun with it
And 10000$ in harddrives and 20000$ other materials and machinary....
Still a good video 😊
You can do it without the 3D printer. And there are cheaper 3D printers that will do the same job. There are off the shelf server cases and boards with mobile chips. And a lot of people have 3D printers these days. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
If someone you know has one use that
Reason I'm not doing this:
I don't have fancy 3D printer or wood working tools.
I just buy servers, put them in my garage and call it a day!
relatable
valid
Just the cost of the drives alone is equal to approx 22yrs of Netflix.
For real. Plus you don't get the exclusive content made by Netflix
Yeah but Netflix might go up in price by a dollar or two. That could bring you down to 21 years or even 20!
you don't really need that much space but it can be used for everything + no one will take your data from you
But how many streaming services are people paying for per month? I've spent around $2000 on streaming over the last 5 years. Built a server for around $600. Never have to pay for streaming again.
Obviously this isnt only for netflix, as he mentioned he already has close to 30tb on his current system, but anyways netflix doesnt have content. For 20 continuous years xD so much $#!T.. a few months every other year would be enough here
Postmortem should have a discussion about hotswappable hard drives. Its gonna be a pain to turn off the PC, pull the back off, unplug any drive that needs to be serviced. While rare, i think thats the only thing missing.
Nice work!
Technically, if the sata controller supports hot swap, he does not need to turn off the server, just open it up, slide the hdd cage and disconnect the one to be replaced.
Not so immediate as an off the shelf nas, but still doable
@@gnappoforeverI was thinking of a drive bay that doesn't need to have the case be opened. But i suppose not an immediate concern
LMAO! with Seagate drives, he have to pull one of those drives every couple of months because of high failure rates.
Anyone who offers an alternative to netflix and then brings 8 24 terabyte drives is not actually bringing an alternative. It is proposing an expensive hobby
He needs that many because he makes videos. People who don't do that sort of thing could absolutely get away with way less storage than this.
You're not wrong, but there are much simpler and MUCH cheaper ways of doing exactly this.
@@MetalMan1245 true but then it wouldn't make for good content : )
I store all I need on 3tb's, I just watch it, delete it and dont hoard because its all replaceable anyway.
@@JFat5158 my server is a free laptop connected to lan with 3 1tb hdds. works perfect for plex and network storage. and i didnt pay a dime for any of it
More Accurate Title: "Save money not paying for Netflix by spending $4k on Hard Drives"
In all fairness they are probably sponsered.
@@TsiRoadkillYeah minisforum has been sponsoring content on this board. Wendell made a video about it too
@@TsiRoadkill i bet. The price of drives has kept me from upgrading anything in a while.
@deadreaver666 I know they went crazy the last while.
You don't have to get 160TB of drives.
Beelink mini PC - $150, media storage of your choice (anything from a thumb drive to a NAS), Plex - Free... Done
And even if you want the Ryzen 7, Beelink have those for a little over $300.
Plex-debrid running on ubuntu though…. Now thats really the easiest option XD there are legit docker containers available for it and you just gotta install using 3 commands…
Plex is not free, if you want hardware transcoding.
@@tyaty I'm well aware. Hardware transcoding is often unnecessary for most people, but if you want it you can get a lifetime Plex subscription for about $90 (not recurring, that's a one time fee) if you wait for one their sales each year. Still far cheaper and easier to set up then this build.
@@Rourke-Slimer
$150 Jasper Lake mini PC-s also don't scale well as you add more storage.
Any old SFF PC works for entry-level NAS, but buying these to be used as NAS is not a good investment.
As soon you deal with 4TB+ storage, cherping out on the server itself don't actually save you too much money.
And a beginner is better off getting a second-hand Synlogy/QNAP aynway, as they serve the user long enough until they can make an informed decision how to set up a NAS on their own.
"I can't believe people still pay for netflix" then proceeds to have 1k in hardware, 3,800 in storage, 1300 3d printer and the cost to purchase every movie, tv show and song/album
Yup. We poor people still have to just watch UA-cam with ads. Lol.😂
EXACTLY!
No one's buying movies, shows or music...
@@JapanPop ...or with an ad blocker!
Just because he spent that money doesn’t mean you have to. You can buy a prebuilt NAS for around 400-500 and build your own for even cheaper. This dude just went all out balls to the wall custom. It’s like saying you can never build a gaming PC because you watch someone building one with a RTX 5090 and newest intel i9
Awesome build! I will say though, I've had two of those SATA cards die on me in my NAS. After losing the second one, I ended up buying a used server grade card on ebay for like $40. The thing has been rock solid ever since.
Can you tell which card you got there now? Curious.
LSI HBA
Yeah, for any serious use it's better to use an LSI HBA constroller instead of cheap sata controllers.
He's also capping the performance of those drives, as 2-3 of those drives are enough to keep a SATA controller on PCIe 1x pretty busy.
Thanks for the infos guys! Had a cheap ass controller in my server for a while and found some great information and new controllers now!
14:00 that's the most UA-camr solution to a problem I have ever heard. "I don't wanna print this in separate parts so I BOUGHT A HUGE NEW 3D PRINTER." 😭😭
Everyone is so focused on the clearly overkill storage. Guys, just do the same with 16tb total and it will be the cost of 2 years of Netflix at most
I think it's a reasonable critique because the video is presented as saying 'instead of paying for Netflix, just do this', and then proceeds to show an overkill build that required him to also get a new 3d printer that probably also cost him $1000. A video with this title that just showed off a simple NAS setup would be a lot more relatable and within the realm of possibility for a lot more people.
@@BBB_bbb_BBB 1600$ with the filament spool thingy lol.
@ then add in his CNC machine to make the front plate.
And WTF are you getting those movies? I'll wait.... lol.
@@BBB_bbb_BBBare you new to the channel? He does this kind of monster builds...
I pay for streaming because streaming originals...
There are ways to watch those w/o a sub
@@iambear.6526 sure and that's theft.
@@iambear.6526 stealing content isnt a new idea and grandma isnt gonna do it
@@willruss”stealing” its not that deep lil bro
Bruh I don't pay for no subscriptions. Easy as buying firestick and modding it in 5 mins. I get free PPV, free sports, free movies & tv shows, etc. I can watch shows any time I want
I love this build, but I do have to say that saying it's a 'replacement for netflix' isn't really true. You still have to obtain media somehow. The legal way to do that would be purchasing, but if you buy 1 bluray movie a month, you're at the cost of Netflix. If you're willing to sail the high seas, that's a different argument, but I don't think anyone's going to publicly endorse that (even if I do it all the time). And to do THAT reliably, you need to pay for a VPN or else you're gonna get dinged by your ISP pretty quickly.
While I have a home server with a similar setup with 100's of movies, it's certainly not for everyone or even most people.
To be fair you can also buy pre owned movies. Sure you won’t get the newest movies or even the newest blu ray releases but you can build a solid movie library. I got a copy of Deadpool for $3 from a local charity shop. It does mean you have to look around a bit more but used can be very good at building up a solid collection and if every so often you end up really wanting to see a recently released movie then buying new can still have to ahead.
Also movies are a bigger weak point of this setup but TV shows are where the real value can be. Complete collections new depending on the show(ie what they price it at) can be cheaper than streaming assuming you don’t binge the whole show and instead pace yourself. I’ll sometimes find complete collections of 100-250 episodes for $35-$50.
I was wondering that. I basically came here out of mild curiosity because of the title. I skipped through the video and he basically appears to be building a home server. I had no clue how that was supposed to even relate to the title of the video, since, you know.. netflix isnt just a server, it's a library. Having a home server is great and all, but without content, it's not an alternative to netflix. That's like building a bookshelf and then claiming you dont need to visit the library anymore lmfao
thrift stores/Ebay/Facebook marketplace are your friend, i kid you not i passed up a sealed copy of Incredibles 2 on 4K UHD for 50p (UK£) in my local thrift/ charity store, why? I already own it
Or browse your local library. They often have full seasons of shows available right away or can be obtained from other branches
Are you suggesting we set sail to the seven seas in an attempt to show to streaming companies why we left cable TV behind?
The title made me think of "You have to _PAY_ for Netflix?!" -Fred
You 100% should've made the front panel magnetically removable so you could clean the inside of the dust filter. Now you can only access one side without taking it apart...
you went to the trouble of building your own case and you didn't have the foresight to make it a hotswap case. Hotswap cages usually drastically cut down on cable management. Instead of 2 cables per drive of routing, depending on the backplane used, it could be 2 cables for 4 drives (in the case of mini-SAS HD cables) or more with oculink. You could still 3d print the cages since backplanes are a separate BOM item. Just design a cage and caddy setup for the backplane. Make a hinge on the front fan bracket so that the fan swings out of the way when you need to work on a drive so you can slide it out of the case.
Also, TrueNAS Scale 24.10 and above is far from difficult and "scary". Old versions of SCALE were because they used Kubernetes whereas SCALE 24.10 uses Docker and Docker Compose instead of Kubernetes. You can literally paste in a Docker Compose file to stand up services.
Including the equipment needed to build and run this NAS, what is the overall cost?
The 3D printer needed, is almost $2k on it's own!!...Without the material! The drives are $3.5K, before tax and shipping!!!.. I estimate with the cost of this I could buy 73+ years of Netflix!!....I mean, does this guy think we all have a $100,000 to spend on a state of the art CNC workshop?.... Not that I would ever need 200TB of network storage. ..I have a 10TB drive that contains, pretty much, my entire 15 yrs of professional modelling work, movies Adobe work the lot... wtf is he doing on there??
Skipped a bit through the vid, but as far that I've seen he also doesn't mention that you have get your movies/series on to the drives to be able to watch them on using Plex
You gotta sail the high seas to make that happen
Hey - when you're printing something with a bunch of IO ports in a cluster (like a mobo), just print a hole where the cluster should be with a reasonable margin, then add a press-fit IO shield for the port cluster. It doesn't have to be as ugly as the traditional PC IO shield, you can make a nice bezel or whathaveyou. That way if you mess it up, or change out the board, you only have to print a new shield.
How does the front panel come off now that you've glued the facade over the screw hoels?
I would have used small magnets in the corners to attach the front panel, with the mesh glued to the wood panel it would make servicing a breeze
The best part is, you don’t have to spend this much! I’ve made one from scrap parts, old drives from abandonned server in a 20yo tower, it’s only 8TB total but it’s still really convenient and worth the effort! Nice build btw!
Exactly!, I keep seeing comments complaining about the cost and the equipment when you don’t have to follow every part of his build and pcbway is a thing.
It’s a bit frustrating that people are jumping the gun.
Ah yes, let me build a NAS to put in my house to replace my offsite backups. I see no flaws in this plan.
Just a quick tip: If you need to expand the motherboard sata ports for use in a NAS use an LSI card not one of the mentioned expansion cards. They can make more trouble than they are worth and a good LSI card can be found for dirt cheap.
19:10 I do not reccomend a UPS like this for a server, the lead acid batteries often do not give warning about their depleted capacity and generally only tell you when they've completely failed
I've had units like this go from 20 minute runtime to 30 second run time in as little as 2 years with the same hardware attached.
Source, we have about a hundred of this style of UPS deployed under people's desks and we're constantly replacing batteries.
Now i dont know about units this small, but for my home server rack i actually went with one of those "solar generators" (i hate this term, its a battery with a solar MPTT) You also have to be careful with these as many of them lack UPS features like proper failover time, and the ability to turn back on when the grid comes back if the battery is completely depleted
I have my rack running a growatt 2000wh battery pack, my rack only uses ~340w/h and during the day is 100% solar powered after... it depends, in the summer its solar after 8:30 in the winter its no solar until probably 10AM
Having a 100℅ Solar Powered setup is now on my bucket list, that is just a cool idea
I plan on just getting a Jonsbo N3 case & a Erying ITX motherboard with a 12500H. I can use a M.2 to 6x SATA3 ports stick (so I'll have 8 total) that'll allow me to have a Home Server with two network ports (one for my main rig 2.5Gb & a 1Gb for the living room). I already got two 12TB refurbished Enterprise Grade (data center) HDDs, and I can get more for $85-90 each when needed. Besides with my "backups" I've got enough shows & movies to rival my old Blockbuster Video, and that only required 24TB (I just need 24TB more to backup with). If I want to go 4K everything then I'll need to use all 8 bays. Frankly I can just leave the server running in the Kitchen with the noisy fridge if noise is a issue. So for $820 which includes 2 12tb drives, a 1TB M.2 for the OS, a 400W SFX PSU, and the M.2 to 6x SATA ports is a better option. I could go cheaper with a NAS N100 board that has 5 NICs and 8 SATA ports, or a NAS board that has 8 SATA ports with a lga 1700 socket (then buy a cheap used I5/I3 T class CPU).
AMD Navi (and vega) is not on Par with Intel QSV 12gen+ when running low bitrate. You might want to reconsider it for gpu based encoding. As for power vs watts, this is amazing.
😮 would a arc 380 suffix that 🤔
@ranjitmandal1612 yes, ARC Alchemist is very potent in this regard. Even does AV1. Bummer is it's idle power draw.
For most people, the Synology is the way to go. They are not meant for your desk. I have a couple, but my main one is the DS1821+ with 14TB drives, 32GB RAM, x2 1TB m.2 (cache), and 10GB NIC. My transfers are around 900MB/s. It sits in my rack, which is in the basement with the other Synology's and network gear. I am in IT, so I also have a TrueNAS Scale server, but like I said, for most people, Synology is the way to go. I also did the HexOS lifetime, but I haven't tested it yet because I know it still needs to bake for a while. This video was great, but you should not have made out that Synology is a bad choice. Yes, they can be loud, and that is why you do not put them in the same room, let alone on your desk. Not to mention the space any NAS will take up. Put them in the basement where they belong with the rest of your networking gear. That being said, you did a great job!
I can't even image how long it would take for this to be cheaper than a Netflix and Spotify subscription. One of those drives alone is more expensive than a year of Netflix premium. I understand the benefits of having a local server, but the title of the video is a bit silly.
Glad to see it. Next stop is building a firewall >:3
Building your own allows for a lot more control, and performance. Network wide VPN, traffic analysis, VLANs and not having to rely on whatever companies say is good for you. Plus, I'm sure you could come up with just as beautiful of an enclosure for it.
This idea is only good if you're okay with piracy for exclusive content locked to those services, completely ignoring exclusive content, and are willing to pay way more to build this than just have an easy to use service to begin with.
You *should* be okay with piracy, period, and you don't need to go this crazy with building the system and setting it up if you don't want to or can't afford to. There are MUCH cheaper ways, like putting an immutable (for less maintenance) Linux distro on a regular PC with a smaller form-factor and hooking up whatever amount of storage you want, either as independent drives or in RAID, and setting up Jellyfin. The problem with these "easy to use" services is that the ease of use is the trap to get you to pay less and less reasonable amounts of money every month for a service that's no better than cable except in having the ability to play what you want when you want...assuming they haven't told you you're not allowed to watch it anymore, which they have no right to do. A little bit of DIY is objectively the better option for ownership and preservation, and in the long-term for your budget.
Nice build, a note on your close cell foam used in the out walls. It's actually not best choose for what your doing with it. Most closed cell foams used as sound control are used for durability. An open cell would be much better, and since you are putting it a cavity durability is not a factor.
I hate watching these NAS drive builds because it always just skips over the spending thousands of dollars on the actual storage. These drives alone cost $8000 AUD like wtf are us normal people supposed to actually do?
1. you're not a "normal person" if you know what a NAS is so why say "us"
2. anyone with functioning eyes can see that its a high end build
3. would you rather him flex the money he spent?
4. a small NAS is < $300 usd and this isn't a tutorial
your comment screams "jealous at the internet stranger with more money than me"
@chickenbird6661 oh I'm definitely jealous of his build and access to these high end products. And you are right, this wasn't strictly a tutorial, but I was just commenting about DIY Nas builds in general, not aiming specifically at Zac's one. And I know there are a few vids out there about shucking and other ways to get cheaper drives for us poorer people so that might be the route I take when I finally get to build my own NAS
I did do this (to an extent, one large HDD and one NVME as cache is enough for me) but you already gave the reasons. It isn't cheap, nor easy, nor do you get new content every week without.... ahem... getting it.
Plus a synology box can also run docker, theres native Plex for them too. You get a photo station and file station app for your phone... it is 80% of the functionality for 20% of the work.
Eh, I would call the answer "the Girlfriend/Wife paradox".
I have the equipment and infrastructure to do the same thing, but wouldn't necessarily go down well with the mrs. Instead having an entire room full of Blu-Rays and DVDs instead.
although the limitation on my end is storage. even 2TB SSDs aren't super cheap (and I have 3 or 4 of those laying about) and I can't justify paying the price that even 1 of those HDDs cost. Even 4-8TB is more than sufficient for my entire library to be ripped onto
who cares what your woman says?
0:58 no it's not "expensive" to expand the storage on a NAS like this. You just swap the drives out for larger ones, that's why they are hot-swap removeable at the front. Just swap out bigger drives. Most units with USB ports allow you to add external drives for more storage as well.
How is buying every single piece of media you consume cheaper than Netflix and Spotify?? Lol
Buying... lol.
@Saurion1 well.. he said he did at least lol
@ yeah, of course he did. He would get in trouble otherwise.
If it's physical then you don't risk it just getting deleted for reasons. Streaming isn't permanent and companies say you don't own your digital purchases anymore.
I built my own NAS too with a similar use case as him. I also buy my media too. Over time it ends up being cheaper because you're only buying what you want. In the beginning it kind of sucks, but over time you'll have a well curated selection of media that you don't have to worry about ever disappearing.
I've seen this video in my suggested with at least 4 different titles now - it even changed between me clicking the thumbnail and the video loading. I was gonna watch it anyway (what with being subbed) but I got whiplash from it all... I can only imagine how exhausting it is for the creators having to jump though hoops to get the UA-cam algorithm to play ball.
Anyway, great video as per usual Zac! Keep 'em coming!!
Title "I can't believe people still pay for Netflix..."
Casually drops over $5k for harddrives
Casually drops over $200 for software
Casually drops $10k on a new 3D printer.
I get the logic and idea behind what you're trying to accomplish but if this was meant to be somehow manageable for the every day guy then this was a poor attempt at be Instructional and informative, its an expensive hobby that is not meant for every day users or newcomers to NAS but for extreme hobbyists and the 0.1% of the PC community.
The printer is only 1500 dollars. But still fair point
These media hosting software really don’t need as much power and if done right don’t need as much drive space. The setup I’m using is a 2014 Mac mini running jellyfin using a 2tb ssd via usb and a 1tb ssd via thunderbolt 2, while I don’t have the same level of security as having backup drives it does me well enough to store copies of my DVD/blu ray’s. If the drives fail then it’ll be annoying to rip the blu ray’s again but the redundancy isn’t really needed because I still have the disks. The number of drives he has is overkill unless you have a massive media library in which case you likely never went to Netflix/streaming.
Yeah it's a cool project and all, but that title is some primo clickbait.
While this was titled as "Why do people still pay for Netflix?", it not only failed miserably to answer that question and forgot to mention ALL costs, it brought a number or excuses too for the flex... I mean the build. Why the clickbaity false title, if not trying to fool people in order to get more views and that way more revenue? New scammy practises are born every day...
You can do this a lot cheaper, most people won't need more than maybe a 8TB drive in a raid setup if anything. With av1 encoding you can store tons of movies on even a 2tb drive and most people don't care to have the latest releases or a massive library. If you have an old intel laptop laying around or old pc you can get away with a lot.
Yeah, near as I can tell this build is 4-5k+, 5 years of Netflix is around $1000, if the average life of the hard drives is around 5years, save yourself some money, and go Netflix.
Or... You could just not waste your time and effort.
There's a point in this I have to call you on, the power off with Hard-drives depends very much on the type of hard drive, your using Mechanical drives, loosing power while writing on a mechanical drive will only result in a loss of data and or the possibility of a corrupted file. The removal of power is designed into mechanical drives, they will either slow with the heads in place resulting in no physical damage, or the heads will lift as they are held in place by an electro magnet and again no physical damage. Most 'damage' to a mechanical hard drive comes from being banged around, moved etc while its writing causing the heads to slip and potentially damage the platter.
Having a UPS on storage however is just common sense, hell it should be on most PC's it gives time for Cache to finish writing to the storage and prevent the loss of data.
A SSD however is a different matter, they can suffer from sudden power disruptions, though more modern ones take it into account.
Hmmm. Linux-y Text... Very nice build. I have been considering doing the same for my home. Plex is the greatest. Well done Zac!
Thanks Joe! I loooooove Plex. I tried Jellyfin previously and it was nice, but Plex really is quite the step up in terms of ease of use and also has a lot of added functionality.
@@ZacBuildsCompletely agree. I have a dedicated server for Plex and my family adores it. It’s barely more cumbersome for those non tech inclined than Netflix, but easy enough the most can get it up and working without much headache. I have a ton of addons and other programs to enhance and automate it as well. Plex just works fantastically.
I would however suggest going with Intel over AMD for Plex. AMD is no where near as good for transcoding video compared to an intel iGPU on a modern chip. You can also get cheap NUC’s and/or mini PC’s that I would suggest over the one you’re using here.
Now do a video about how to get all of Netflix's content on your local system.
Casually using Amazon Basics to build a computer just not to use Prime Video anymore...
This is why I went custom Debian with CasaOS for a web UI desktop. So much is already working and just plug and play. No need to wait for hexOS or truNAS to figure their crap out
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Depending on the controller used on that sata card you used, you might end up having sata disconnects. Some controllers just are not dependable enough for ZFS and it will briefly disconnect. In terns of the cheap stuff I have had decent success with the ASmedia chipsets but most of the others have issues. To solve this get a real SAS controller. LSI SAS2008 or 3008 based cards are perfect. At this point I would probably grab a 3008 based card. Then you attach the drives via a SAS fan out cable. depending on if you get a 2008 or a 3008 card will depend what type of SAS port you have so your SAS fan out cables need to have the right connection at the card end. They have four SAS connectors at the other end these connectors are identical to SATA connectors and just plug straight into your SATA disks.
You get both the cards and the fan out cables off of ebay. They are pretty cheap because they are really old now. When you buy the fan out cables buy extra, they tend to just die randomly. When you get the card see if the seller can flash it to 'IT mode' for you. It's much better for ZFS if the card is in 'IT mode' rather than the standard 'IR mode'. It can be a significant hassle to flash them.
I can't believe people still believe this guy...
A Synology isn't loud at all, looks better than this frankenstein PC, and definitely doesn't cost as much. You balked at the price of a Synology and then proceeded to spend over $3k just on drives. No one balking at the price of Netflix is doing this shit 😂
This is like his 4’th or 5’th video in a row where he completely failed the premise of his video. Two minutes in and he mentioned transcoding with Ryzen. Clearly has no clue.
The price of the synology options didnt include hdd's either though... why is what he spent on drives relevant?
Also its completely subjective but synology nas' dont look bad, but theyre boring af. Off the shelf options work and have their place but this is a DIY tinkering channel... so it doesnt appeal to a lot of people here.
@@JFat5158 the Synology price comparison was also too brief and didn't really go into any of the specs, nor does he say how much all of his 3D printed shit costs, which is not cheap. A Synology also doesn't look like a second huge ass, ugly PC. But yes the hard drive price is still very relevant.
If you need your streaming box that sits mostly out of sight to not look "boring", your priorities are in the wrong place. And also fails the whole premise of the video 😂
@ Hard drive prices are irrelevant since it varies wildly. Its pretty standard to not include them. I personally have all SSD storage because its just nicer being silent and more power efficient. I may pay a premium but I also dont need much space and it idles at less than 10w.
I really dont understand how you can think his build looks like a huge ugly pc and think that a synology NAS looks better at all.
Some people enjoy aesthetics in their home PC builds. Its fine if youre happy with off-the-shelf generic builds that you put out of sight, but people have different interests. That aspect of the build has no bearing on the actual NAS function and price of the build because it isnt essential to recreate it.
@@JFat5158 and you've missed the point completely 😂
That thing looks like something you could buy from a high end custom shop. Really freaking sweet! Now if only I had ~$10,000 to buy everything necessary to make one...lol
Let's replace Netflix with this server that costs the same as 27 years worth of Netflix... BAD REPLACEMENT.
Our server at home has cost us around 700-800$ in 2008 and we're using Plex since then with a life subscription that cost 250$. We have 1400 movies on it, some that have disappeared from Netflix. So no, it's not a bad replacement. Also you don't need to make it has powerful has he does
Netflix replaces a vast majority of their library, fairly often. So in 27 years of paying for Netflix, you will have owned absolutely none of the movies or shows you watched. And if you wish for that, for the convenience and nothing more, then this video wasn't for you anyways. I like owning my media and having it be available to me for the rest of my life as opposed to paying billion dollar companies for like less than half of a quarter of the content I want.
@@Geektoidyou missed the point of my comment. The cost is way over the top. And if you think this exact set up will still be useful, let alone working in 27 years… I’m afraid I’ve got some bad news for you.
You don't need that much storage for a Netflix replacement. He has 168 TB of drives because he makes videos for a living. I would be surprised if someone could fill just one of those drives just with stuff they actually want to watch.
20:50 FYI each one of those 24TB drives is probably capable of 300MB/s so if your file server is close to your editing PC you migh want to add a 10, 28, or even 40G network adapter and directly attach to your editing PC if you dont want to upgrade your switch and cables(switch and cable upgrade is ideal, but not strictly necessary)
*looks at the cost of 8 of those drives*
...business expense!
The fit and finish of the design really looks quite good. However, the hard drives are the heaviest components of the build. Placing the drives at the top of the case would make it top heavy. For better center of gravity the drives should be placed at the bottom. Rotating the motherboard 90 degrees and placing it on the side of the drives would have made for a lower profile design overall.
two words >> NO! !!!
If you want to use TrueNAS / HexOS for your NAS, get rid of the SATA controller board and install a proper SAS HBA.
Last time I checked (quite recently) SATA controller boards like that one generally use cheap controllers which don't work reliably and are not supported by TrueNAS.
If you wish to continue to use the SATA controller board, expect to loose your data at some point. Hope that helps!
now all the streaming services are jacking up their prices whilst removing all the things people actually want to watch, things like this are going to be getting more popular
yes and the people i mean.. me, is then going to stop my subscription due to under delivering or NOT delivering what i like to watch.
in short, they can take their higher prices, and shove it up the bum.
i paid, so i could watch what i want to watch, not getting stuff forced down my spine just because they think they can..
Awesome video and I love it. The only thing different I would have done was to put small magnets on a mesh cover instead of gluing the mesh on so that way when it gets coated in dust you can easily remove it and clean it and then pop it back on
Just gotta remember a HDD has an average lifespan of 3-5 years, so put that in your budget.
If you have a proper NAS and you're not super unlucky they shouldn't all die at once, but without a RAID option you cannot be sure your data won't disappear.
it is raid tho. i think you meant "raid is not a backup"
@@fffmpeg For people this is aimed at, who doesn't want to pay for 3rd party backups. RAID is your best bet at a backup system.
Just figured it was important to note that if you're putting everything locally you need to have the HDD lifespan in mind. Because that is also a cost in the long term.
It is not a perfect system yes, but it's significantly better than having just 3-5 HDDs setup without a RAID option.
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Nah good hard drives can survive so much longer then 3-5 years, "enterprise" (consumer price) Toshiba's can easily get to a 10 year lifespan, they have 5 year warranty so they will definitely surpass that. You also aren't running all your hard drives 24/7 on load
@SilencioTortilla Average lifespan, does not mean they cannot survive longer.
I ripped a few of my dad's old VHS and DVD's he bought for us and just had them in an external drive. This would actually help us have something to work with either while internet is down or just compile a whole gallery for parties and gatherings
There’s an app for the Roku. You can download that just lets you play media off of an external hard drive. That would be the cheapest option for you, also works with most smart TVs
"And what a test 'CASE' this was..."
Haha, nice PUN! 😂
Everyone complaining about hard drive costs is missing the point. You could achieve 95% of the functionality outlined in this video with a used laptop and a single drive. The server can be as cheap or as expensive as you choose. Zac chose very expensive because that's what he wanted. You can choose differently and still get most of the functionality. Also this server isn't just replacing Netflix, it can replace most cloud services and home automation.
Do netflix mind at all about it ?
I really should stop reading comments, would go a long way towards stopping the headaches I get from secondhand stupidity. Not you OP, I agree with you. My media server is an 8th gen Pentium based machine that owes me a total of about $50. Just a single 4tb HDD in it for the time being being even spending a couple hundred $ on some 14tb hdds, Netflix would eclipse that in less than 2 years.
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@ You're a very clever man.
To be honest, your 30TB Synology would be more than enough for me. Now I use a 2TB Google Drive plan and even though I work a lot with photos and music production, I'm still only halfway through filling it completely, and this includes the data on Gmail and Google Photos, too. I was looking at this video to be inspired to do things from scratch, but Synology seems a more sane solution for my use case. Besides, apparently I can add more space to it later with another expansion unit.
Cool idea, so glad you grit your teeth and made the jump to self hosting and TruNAS. It IS or will be worth it.
The "oh crap, I need a bigger printer" thing... and "here is todays sponsor of the video" DEFINATELY campy... but I get it. That's how this stuff works. Printers don't rain from the sky.
You're doing a tremendous amount of sound isolation of mechanical vibration, and that's pretty amazing.
Then you have a huge hole for the fan.
It's gonna be quiet and look pretty, but it seems like a bit of overkill.
Then again, fantastic video.
I think if you split the drives into two 3-high towers that are next to each other you could've fit them into the gap above the mainboard and thus make the whole package even smaller :D
Better yet, you couldve used a 12V powerbrick, or if you want it internal, a used server PSU with platinum / titanium efficiency can be had for cheap and power the mainboard itself with a pico psu
I swear it's like you read my mind. I was just recently wondering how i can make a nas at home, this is honestly inspiring.
Ah yes, build your own NAS with $2792 in hard drives, several thousand dollars of woodworking equipment, a 3d printer, computer equipment... Definitely a money saving plan.
If I had the chance, I would buy such a server for myself. It fits well into the interior and is also very quiet. I plan to do literally everything with it, which gives unlimited possibilities for use.
You should ground the mounting points of the motherboard to the power supply chassis to potentially save components in case of a catastrophic electrical short or power surge. Those grounding points on the motherboard are there for a reason and not being utilized in this build. 😬
Whats the power draw of the completed unit doing normal tasks and at idle? I turned an old gaming machine (i7 4770K, no GPU) into a makeshift server but even at idle that thing was costing me a lot just to have turned on. Though I would love to build something like this instead cause I am getting kinda fed up with all the subscriptions. Time to do some calculations!
18:33 Dude please don't cut facing towards yourself it's really dangerous for your fingers, I am an artist and I had many close calls but still cut myself someimes, don't do it I have seen people cut themselves these way really bad and you can't understand how bad it is until you see it, always cut facing the opposite way!
I instantly click on every one of Zac's videos. The research, creativity, and documentation of each project is astounding. This one is yet another example of the work he puts into customizing the devices we use and broadcasting the process to the world in an easily-digestible way. He's introducing a whole new audience to the possibilities of customization, and I'm happy to watch and learn ❤
If you're worried about dust, run it in positive pressure, fans sucking more air in than can escape, forces the dust out instead of it settling in a calm spot. Is slightly worse for temperature but i never noticed a difference on my NAS other than not having to clean it for best part of a decade after cleaning it every 6 months.
Then for backup, consider aws s3 or another cloud object store, you can set up versioning, retention times etc. it sucks if you have hundreds of small files (less than 100kb) but for larger files the cost is minimal, probably less than the electricity for the NAS in most cases.
An enclosure of that size being printed in one piece seems like the perfect use case for some form of SLS printing. Massive shame that they're still not down to consumer prices yet.
Learning to use Docker on a Synology NAS fixes most of these issues. That being said you need one with up-gradable RAM and Intel Quicksync like the 920+.
badass! Great job, looks sleek, you need a mini qled screen bar for temps network speed etc.....
After spending a casual $4k on hard drives, I agree that buying a new 3D printer is what a logical person would do
Or he could have used the Slicer to cut it down to smaller parts.
Great work man, Love the set up. I too have been moving over to my NAS too. No reason to keep paying for something you already have running at your house. Cant wait to see what other videos you post.
Btw, carbon fiber combined with aluminum is known as galvaniic corrosion. Which in the long term has a small reactive charge that will slowly corrode away at the aluminum. Also note that carbon fiber is also conductive to some degree and rf blocking. It wouldnt be my first choice to use with electronic housings.
Man complains the Synology isn’t good enough because upgrading costs 1300, proceeds to spend thousands on a custom solution lmao
I'd be wary of temps in this NAS build as each HDD needs strong direct air during a full parity check/RAID rebuild. The 200mm fan in this build won't deliver enough cooling for the left-most and right-most drives; a square of 4x 120mm or 4x 140mm is a much better configuration. Combined with a motherboard with a temp sensor header (many ASUS boards), you can connect the top two fans to one fan header and in BIOS assign it to respond to the temp sensor you've taped to the hottest drive. The HDD fans will now ramp dynamically to cool the drives under heavy load, and the bottom two can spin slower to cool the system as needed. Also as the HDD's are the heaviest component, this case is top-heavy; so suggest they should be at the bottom.
In everyday use, this build's airflow will seem fine, but (♥your content and channel Zac 😛) you'll notice he didn't cover temps while building the array in the video, which is the biggest test of a NAS enclosure. Ex: a typical Unraid parity check with an array filled with 10TB drives takes about 18 hours for me, and 24TB will be ~2 days, and each of those drives must have very good direct cooling which responds to rising HDD temps. Overall loved the video and hope to see revision 2!
I really like the idea of the server, however there are some things here that I believe could have been optimized further and potentially cost less:
- Ryzen SOCs consume more at idle that Intel. An old i5 8500 is extremely efficient and also has quicksync for transcoding (not sure how it does at 4k though). 7945HX tops out at 127w and sits at 8.3w idle. My 8500 sits at about 5w idle after powertop. Servers like these spend most of their time at idle.
- Just because the PSU is 80+ Gold does not make it efficient at the wattages that server is going to mostly be operating in, which is idle. Calculate your average idle consumption numbers and choose a PSU from Wolfgang's list that performs well in that range and fits your dimension requirements. In your case, 60-80w with the parts you've chosen.
- You can't compare your total storage cost to that of B2, as on B2 you'd only have a backup of critical/essential files you need to be offsite. You did address the offsite backup, but my point of the comparison not being fair still stands. Not to mention you did not even account for energy cost for your server. Granted, even with those variables (only essential data & energy costs) you are likely to come out ahead, but your comparison is flawed. Also, B2 is mostly used as a backup when homelabbing, not as the primary storage solution.
- You used software that is in early access beta. Rookie mistake to deploy beta software on what is essentially a production scenario in this case (home server with media and essential data). You want the most stable OS you can get for your case. This is a big one.
- No hotswap for the drives. That's likely to be an issue down the road.
- Front panel glue. Seriously, we are taking dumps from up high on electronics companies that use glue and case manufacturers that use rivets instead of screws. We know better at this point.
Everything else, especially the 3D printing and the sound/vibration dampening aspects I really liked and you gave me some nice ideas for if/when I expand my homelab. Right now I am not running storage, only some (micro)services.
Comparing the new NAS without the drives vs a complete NAS including the drives isn't a comparison.
I admire the hard work and dedication that went into this (as always) but I'm not convinced. Unless you're also using piracy, you're missing out on a lot of content, and the insane cost of it (from building the NAS to buying the content) negates any savings you might make. Especially since technology like that isn't something that retains its value or usefulness in the long run. By the time you start saving money, it'll be time to replace the whole thing. The only benefit I see is more privacy but there are NAS already offering that for a fraction of the cost. Let's face it, it's a cool project for tech addicts, but not so much for saving money.
Zach, you honestly could have gotten refurbished drives from a trusted seller with a good warranty, usually those last just as long, and actually might be better since buying new means they probably come from the same batch, and if one from a batch fails usually the rest will follow shortly after. Plus you can save a ton a money
Those HDDs are crazy big money.
Awesome job and congrats 👏
Awesome video Zack!! I have been wanting to do this forever!!
I noticed the Bourbon Blade at 17:09 , how do you like it? I'm really intrigued, personally.
For what this thing cost, you could probably pay for all those services for 10 years.
I built a very similar setup a months ago, I love it, so glad I did
You can always use system memory instead of drive memory for cache.
The vast majority of servers use air cooling, as it is simple and safer. Lots of airflow is offloaded to the rack.