The Military Takeover: Pentagon Considering SpaceX's Starship? Launch Date For IFT3?
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SpaceX Starship explained:
SpaceX’s third Starship launch in under two weeks! Can they do it?
The Military is interested in taking over Starship! What does it mean?
SpaceX launches a capsule to the ISS. Wait, this isn’t Dragon? And Rocket Lab recovers another Booster! How’s this possible?
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Please let me know what your thoughts are. Is a February launch feasible, or are we more likely looking at a delay until March? Get your crystal balls out and share your predictions in the comments.
Crystal balls?????
Monitor "mariTEEM"? Sorry Felix but that maritime is pronounced "mariTIME"
It's not a big deal, except that your area seems to have quite a number of words that are pronounced significantly incorrectly compared to most of the USA/Canada, etc.
So I mean no insult but I'm going to try to help correct things for you. It's bizarre because out of 100s of thousands(or millions) of words I've heard from you for years, you're always right except for the very odd word.
Stop Click Bait Titles!!
You are smarter than this
UA-cam does not randomly unsubscribe accounts. It just comes across desperate, you do starship updates, you’re not going to get a million subscribers doing that alone.
Nope, the pentagon can pay for each launch and starship.
Military purchase of Starships for military uses is no different than having Boing or other aircraft builders that sell to military.
Starship will get troops around the world far quicker than the navy or air force.
Yes it's just as abhorrent
@@AWBepi150 ton throw weight - currently. With a Pez style dispenser that can throw satellites and you think the Pentagon wants that to move troops? Lol, I don’t think soooo
Yet Musk shut down Starlink so the Ukrainian military couldn't attack (with drone boats) Russian warships that were firing missiles at civilians.
He said he didn't want the technology used for war.
I guess when you need money, those scruples become less important.
The spooks had a bunch of Hubble class space telescopes just laying around. They gave 3 to NASA. Look it up.
I think the pentagon might be planning to work "International Rescue"
"Thunderbirds are GO!"
Well. For heavy lift and rapid deployment, they might as well make reality, the fictional Thunderbird 2 (1964, max speed 5K mph, payload 100 tons).
Or Are They Already Working On It? Some big flying something is scaring sheep in England. ;)
After all, 1960's science fiction craft right? Rocket Lab is working on the "You Only Live Twice (1967)" Neutron. Secret volcano base extra.
🤣
Since before we landed on the moon, there have been hundreds of military projects that were planned by various people, but almost all of those have been deemed either impossible because of weight or uneconomical. With starship, all of those projects are back on the table, and that includes orbital dropships, tungsten rod bunker busters, resupply missions for cut off troops, suborbital drone swarm deployment and many more, some classified some are not. What Space Force wants to do now, is to have their own fleet of starships that they will maintain and customize without needing to involve SpaceX staff and to keep it secret. This is very common thing to do where military purchases civilian technology but they are handling maintenance and upgrades by themselves, and that includes things like Air force one, which is a civilian boeing 747 but had a lot of modifications made and is being maintained by air force.
4:19 The blast wall construction looks familiar. I think I saw a similar structure some years ago in Berlin.
These click bates are going to kill this channel . So annoying !
Yeah... Felix should stick to straight reporting - leave the hysterics for CNN, MSNBC and The View....
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I could see DoD wanting the ability to get 100+ tons of “supplies” to anywhere on the planet in less than an hour. Yes, it would have humanitarian uses, but it would be much more useful in supporting emergency remote ops in “difficult” regions. It would also send quite a message to the other side when massive rockets start dropping from the sky like a scene out of “War of the Worlds.”
Important to remember that NRO is under the purview of DOD, as is X-37B which is directly under Space Force. Falcon and Falcon Heavy have already been used to launch these. I see no reason why Starship wouldn't be involved in other DoD missions in the future.
One thing about the launch complex seldom mentioned is that the whole OLM and tank farm are prototypes. They are using the same iterative process to determine what works, what needs to work better, and how to get a complex that can launch weekly or even daily.
The ground facilities are an order of magnitude more complex, more expensive and more important than getting to space.
I wanted a "starship update" 'cause I hadn't heard anything lately. I came to WAI - that simple
That's the place! :)
Just curious, why they don't cover the launch mount with the same tiles they are putting on Starship. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
I can see two possibilities, either the government wants to take control from SpaceX by using the pentagon or the pentagon sees a resource that they a use for in the future as a contractor. The second is more likely or perhaps somewhere in between. With them involved, we may see less resistance and delays. On a side note, when you list metric and SAE values place the text for it on the screen simultaneously instead of separate. As a technician, I am used to looking at the one that applies to what I am doing and the tooling I am using and ignoring the other, this is easier when both are there at the same time.
The DOD has had it's eyes on Starship since well before the first launch. Any internet BS about friction between NASA and SpaceX, "spiteful" FAA delays or unnecessary static from ANY federal agency IS CLICKBAIT for the simple minded. The DOD isn't going to "takeover" SpaceX any more than they've taken over General Dynamics, Boeing, or Lockheed Martin. The US government isn't the CCP with ownership on all "private" companies. SpaceX was and is just another contractor for Uncle Sam!!!
Commercial airliners are used in a military program called CRAF, Civil Reserve Air Fleet, to provide DOD with commercial airliners to augment military airlift resources when needed during peacetime and wartime emergencies. The military already has the process and procedures established. So adding Starship vehicles to this mission will not be either unprecedented or difficult once the Starship becomes an in production space vehicle program.
If the military ever starts using Starship to move soldiers, would that make them... Starship Troopers?
No... They would be Space Force Guardians.
16:01 I was watching the launch from south of the space center and didn't hear the sonic boom at all.
I 100% think that the military wanting in is great. They could set up a Anti ballistic missle system AKA starwars . In orbit. This could reduce the harm done by a nuclear war , making it catastrophic but not world ending
The opposite is also a possibility 🍄
Yep, anti missile laser satellites to shoot down ICBMs
Thumbs down click bait
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Hopefully this helps to speed up FAA approvals!
What about.. Florida Starbase? How is that coming along? When might we see a Starship launch on the Space Coast?
Long time. In Florida is way more too important infrastructure for space program, so testing, especially recovery attempts would be very problematic. Florida will be online after Starship will be proven to be reliable.
It CAN be faster if in Florida will be initially launched only disposable versions (considering price tag of Starship, it's not impossible as a stopgap solution IF there will be market for that large launchers).
Aside from aesthetics, is there really a problem with surface rust except on moving parts?
Government/military should keep their hands off. When they do get involved with anything that anything becomes bogged down grinds to a halt and then is mishandled.
As teased, rapid deployment of relief supplies would be an excellent use of a starship cargo variant. Tactical missions would actually be a bad choice, cause the thing is basically anti stealth.
But the speed makes it unpredictable.
@@jessepollard7132 During landing as currently designed, it would be a sitting duck for any and all anti-aircraft ordinance, shoulder mounted or vehicle launched. If I was a commander, I would not want to put any human assets in it that were heading to contested territory - regular aircraft can deploy Marines anywhere in a matter of hours anyways.
@@kstricl or, wouldn’t be an excellent use given that a C17 or C5 would be a much more cost efficient and time sensitive option. Not only can they carry 70+ and 130+ tonnes of cargo, but can generally deploy that cargo without the need to land. Point to point starship sounds great until you actually think about the practicalities involved.
The idea that starship will ever be utilised in a “rapid” sense is ill-considered.
Honestly every time we see a Birdseye view it just seems so ridiculous to build this in this location, it’s practically in the gulf lol.
They need the ocean for crash site
Interesting seeing that segment cargo loading idea.
I believe a February launch is precluded by the newly poured concrete deck and walls. Concrete generally takes 28 days to reach designed strength, so I am betting on a March 4th launch at the earliest.
Felix, where do you get these epic thumbnail pictures? They rock!!!
Quit this channel. Clickbait raises my blood pressure in the morning.
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Thanks for the update!
You’re welcome! ❤️
My hot take is that Starlink is actually a DOD program.
Plot twist
Not yet, but it will be, since SpaceX are developing Starshield for the DOD as a military counterpart to Starlink.
Absolutely, this was invariable
Government Contracts:
1) Cost plus award fee.
2) Or buy it outright.
You have no idea the military possibilities of Starship
Icbm starship!
you're sick if you think about that...
Yeah, more senseless wars
Are you kidding me? The military possibilities are just about endless. I totally see why they want to take it over. It also pisses me off to no end. They're are the a-holes that ruined the space shuttle because they said it had to be capable of delivering thermonuclear weapons.
@@dmurray2978 these wars are so useless, everyone has war in their minds... Im sick of the world we have at the moment
maybe reduce the clickbait in the title.
love the 'dont panic" reference
tHe MiLitArY tAkEoVeR
> only talks 5 seconds about some stupid little thing.
Cmon Felix. Why the clickbait?
As NSAS hasn’t been able to do what Space X has, it becomes very clear why the military is interested, however, for the military to become involved I pray Space X read history and realize that once the government is involved, it’s just a short step from taking over all of it.
It’s never good when the military takes private companies ’under their wings’ because once in, they never go away.
...and once the military makes Starship flights common for troops and equipment, it'll become common for normal people. Imagine Starships replacing planes for Air Mobility Command.
Great and comprehensive episode. Sadly It appears to me that the photographs by Redline Helicopter are not as high resolution as those produced by your old aerial photography partner RGV Aerial Photography. See 1:36 for example. If that is the new normal, that is a shame.
4 ads in the 1st 8 minutes?? Lighten up on the ads guys. Gezz.
It would be interesting if we went from a Blue Water Navy and Land Based Army to a Space Based Military force.
the starship will be able to drop 10,000 tungsten rods of 20 kg each on the enemy’s head. At a speed of 7 kilometers per second, each contact with the surface will release 490,000,000 joules. This is 120 kilograms of TNT
Ah. Rods from God...
Interesting concept, tinkered with decades ago but found to be impractical due to delta-V requirements and orbital mechanics. Might be revisited with Starship's capabilities in mind. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a room somewhere deep in DARPA with a couple of eggheads working through the numbers right now. I'd be kinda upset if there wasn't - given that you can bet the Chinese are likely looking at it too, along with a pile of other projects....
@@DJ-bh1ju in this bunch of projects there is no main thing - the project of changing the behavior of the powers that be to empathy for all living things on the planet
How many MIRV’s could a single Starship drop using the Pez dispenser?
@@jason_m_schmidt622 We are talking about non-nuclear metal rods made of refractory material, depending on the task and homing. Dozens of options are possible. As an example, the approximate energy of one rod was given
I cought the Avatar (tlab) reference there😂... But everything changed when the fire nation...
hey felix i have been watching Wai from about 2.5 years now
love what you are doing out there, i am a big elon fan, thankyou for providing important and easy to understand updates for me, but i am so sorry that i can become a patron as i am not being able to do so from personal reasons. sorry brother but in some time in future i promise to become a patron for sure after i become an astronaut love u broo!!
Imagine Starliner launching on a Falcon 9.
7:22 "Crystal balls" 💀
Yes Felix, this is how it's always been done. I can't wait to see how the StarShip will be used to protect our country!
great episode Felix!! I predict the next launch of Starship will be Mid March
Congress is likely going to pass legislation which will prohibit SpaceX from ever selling their Starship capabilities to a foreign power (be they friend or foe) for foreign military purposes. However, they will absolutely reserve the right to either purchase Starship missions for US military use...or maybe even asserting the right to co-opt its capabilities when and where they feel it necessary. It wouldn't be a good look for the US government and military, but who knows?
I would like to see SpaceX take over the Artemus program.
Garbage clickbait ... if you go back to the first reports of this, it clearly says that Space Force wanted to own their own starship..
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Wouldn't having a military cooperation help with getting launch license? Good idea 😅
Well, they blow up so well, who can blame the military for wanting them!
I agree with the need for battle starships, LOL.
18:19 Aerogel mixed with graphite. Will Elon put this mixture under starship's heat tiles in case any of them fall off?
That precast wall isn’t going to work. It wouldn’t surprise me to see portions of the wall causing damage towards highway 4. I hope I’m wrong
The number of commercial interruptions during this video is a new high…and clearing out of control!
It costs money to put out a video. You may not be aware of that.
Starship lands in hostile territory- opens up & Ironman jumps out along with bat bombs.
Clickbait title. Renting Starships or even launch infrastructure is not 'taking over'. Using Starship for rapid military or humanitarian deliveries sounds cool, but is not the game changer it is touted as. You can't practically land a Starship at an unimproved landing site, and if you have built the infrastructure beforehand, why not just use that lift capacity to deliver the supplies directly? And launching the Starship back to it's origin site is an even bigger issue.
The US military already has similar business models in place with US flagged maritime and airline businesses. For the most part, it equates to "on call" pay for the right to commandeer a percentage of the fleet. As for the classified operations the most likely outcome is that they will pay SpaceX to build a tower and integration facility on the Space Force side of the cape and then operate it themselves. They can throw a tarp over the secret sauce if they ever need to have an unclassed SpaceX tech come in to fix something. (Been there, done that, had my t-shirt confiscated.)
I could see a Vandenberg DoD Starship program...similar to past/current programs.
Excellent stuff bro
Surely operating Starship Point to Point on earth would require either Launch infrastructure at both ends or for the Starship to be expendable. Or do we think that Starship V3 might have a Single Stage to Orbit (Or Sub Orbit) capability?
When the Space Shuttle was foying, the DOD acquisitioned an STS shuttle steuctly for military payload missions (Atlantis). Now it appears the DOD wants the same deal with Starship and Superheavy.
Yep! It looks like the same approach again! MAkes sense, especially when Starships are so much cheaper than a Shuttle!
I wonder if Starship will become disposable. Launch, land. Debark. Destruct. One way ticket anywhere in the world, allowing for maximum payload.
February 14th launch, I ❤ it!
I've been posting the same thing since IFT2 !
the wall next to the propellant cooling plant reminds me of the berlin wall, design wise
I would think that Musk had already thought about building and developing a version of Starship and it's boosters for the US Space Force. It's possible that would be something that develops in the near future as Starship begins to come on line as a fully functioning Spaceship. Many aerospace firms had commercial and military divisions so Space X could also do that too.
Allowing DOD staff to take over every aspect of a Starship launch, excluding SpaceX personnel might not be a good idea. The DOD staff would need to be trained and given all the experience which SpaceX's staff already have under the belt. And if things go wrong - who would get the blame?
Of course Starship should be used for military missions if necessary. Every one of our major adversaries - China, Russia, North Korea, Iran... every bit of their space programs are under the control of their military. It would be suicidal for the US to not take advantage of every tool at hand when national and world survival is at stake.
everyone is an enemy of the USA
Electron, Neutron…what would be a name for RocketLab’s SuperHeavy booster? …if they ever go that way.
Proton has already been used by Russia.
How about Baryon?
Boson? That doesn’t sound good. 😄
Higgs? It’s related to mass, right? For a massive rocket. But doesn’t sound right for a rocket name.
Positron Rocket would sound cool and exotic.
Maybe Quark or Pentaquark?
go space force
Satisfactory made real.
"Starship Uber"... lmaooo, yes!
Thank You dear Felix
I think we would have seen NOTAMs posted if IFT-3 was going to be 2/14. I think it will be the latter 1/2 of February
The use of Starship for military purposes exposes Starbase and the associated infrastructure to becoming a nuclear target
Which monster isn't launching a rocket with a fish -- I mean, everybody who plays Factorio wants this achievement!
I can't wait to see when starship and boosters get out of prototype phase. Their steel hauls will no doubt be polished to a mirror finish, similar to The Chicago Bean. 😊
I think that the military should have access to starship with the condition that they are only for humanitarian aid and absolutely cannot be used to carry weapons.
I'm fed up of wars, bombs and deaths. I would have so liked Starship to stay away from this suicidal dynamic.
Why do the four fins of Falcon9 fold down at launch but the fins for Starship do not?
Because of aerodynamic
Eventually, all forms of technology are used for military applications! Always was, always will be!
F*** Yea! America!
Starship and space force,👍
I think it's actually a great idea to rent starship to the government. SLS is ridiculously expensive.
SLS will be canned once Starship is operational for that very reason.
I would use it to get rid of global trade via boat for the most part. Global trade would be much easier in many ways. Would definitely help avoid war. Fueds over free and open International waters wont be so sensitive i think. Thats a lot of cargo being shipped in much faster without the worry of someone shooting a cruise missile at your cargo.
Clickbait! Really! I might have to reconsider the subscription.
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I don't see an issue, being able to put large amounts of troops anywhere in the world within hours instead of days is huge. It will be a massive tactical advantage and maybe the DOD can cut through the FAAs nonsense.
They will launch on the 2nd Tuesday of next week
No military takeover of private Starship launch provider!
Hey Felix - you Rock ! Pentagon??!!
Why would you paint a tank used for COOLING Black in Texas!?
Felix I and I'm sure there are others that appreciate Your continued secondary use of the stat's (whatever those might be) by giving us "ignorant USA masses" the poundage miles and gallons as You refer to all about whatever metric system description there might be. I can't picture in my head a measurement of a meter much less a liter but You say miles or gallons ounces and tons I know what is being talked about. Other websites (and I'm sure they know who they are) leave us with metrics that I don't understand and thus I can be found checking online conversion sites. Thank You You Rock!
Who uses pounds & feet for technical measurements these days?
@@kerringautrey1375Bob Watkins does however he hasn’t been in a school for 60 years so it’s a silly argument on his part.
Anyway. If someone says meters and you want feet multiply x3 for a close approximation. If you get feet and want meters then you /3.
@Bob…The rest of the world doesn’t care that Americans don’t use metric directly. The world does however care that Americans can’t multiply or divide by 3 and will absolutely die on that hill for reasons the rest of the western world will never understand. The only reason you can’t covert it intuitively is one, you aren’t used to it. Fair. Second, you are stubborn. Not as forgivable.
Feet are good for civilian things involving distances up to 500’ or so. They suck for everything else. For science and aerospace, imperial is almost always the wrong answer.
@@jonbrown6099 Thanks for the tip. And Yes I'm old school. BTW I'm acustomed to saying that the Europeans created metric because the smaller numbers make their fat asses seem smaller. I know at 5'6" tall weighing 175 pounds sounds awful but if I tell myself well it is only 79 Kilo's then I can feel at ease that My illusion of fattyness is because I was born in the wrong country! hahahaha!
@2:02 Were I *SpaceX* I'd *Rust-o-ileum* the shields and have a waterfall covering/protecting it at/from the top.
Why would the US military lease starships when they can simply buy them outright? They will certainly want to have them customized to their specific needs anyway. So it appears less than likely to me that they would not buy some of them and operate them as they please.
Essa é a questão! Com asas? Ou sem asas?
Since commercial rocketry CAME from military rocket programs (Vanguard, etc), I don't see a problem.
Actually, the military went to commercial manufactures to design and build rockets along with all other hardware and facilities. The military doesn't build anything on their own.
11:10 Tell the military to go pound sand.
This is what the US should've been doing prior to the Ukraine War, so that you never had a private business being asked by a foreign military power to assist them in a War against a nuclear power. There will obviously be missions where having SpaceX be the owner of the vehicle could potentially involve them in an actual conflict, or also making split second decisions that effect the country. Can't have that (and anyone complaining about SpaceX/Ukraine/Starlink are idiots), you do NOT want a private business doing these things and potentially pulling the US into a War.
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